This was filmed at Winchester. Slush and Cosmoline are similar, but different enough that the military uses them for different applications and even has different standards and classifications for them.
My great grandfather was a machinist and worked at the Eddystone factory during the Great War. I have a copy of his draft card where he is listed as an “essential worker”
It's entirely possible that you great grandfathers fingerprints were once on something in my safe that has been in my family since new and I am the third generation owner of that I absolutely cherish.
I bought a sporterized Eddystone M1917 back in 1968 (with my father's help) for $40. It was manufactured in September of 1917. We redid the stock and barrel so that the rifle had a floating barrel. Can put 3 rounds into a Skoal can lid at 100 yards with this ol' girl. Have taken many deer, pronghorn, and elk with this rifle over the past 53 years. It's 104 years old and still performing like a champ. This rifle will still be able to do its job long after I'm gone!
@wyomarine The ol' boy who did the sporterization on mine didn't do a very good job and as such, it did not group well for him. All my dad and I did was pour a glass bedding in the stock for a floating barrel and bam, a decent shooting rifle!
These rifles shoot very well and vintage rifle matches are often won by the 1917 shooter. My 1918 winchester has the original barrel and will clean the target at 200 yards all 10's and x's. Ps; we share same last name.
I've got a sporterised one here in Australia I built as a target rifle. Single taper Shilen barrel etc. I built bluing tanks and polished the rifle before bluing, you can shave in the blue finish, it looks like black chrome. The actions are high in nickel, so in the right light the action actually looks plum in colour, it looks great.
I purchased an Eddystone M1917 in m-i-n-t condition in the 1970s. The bore was like a mirror. The rifle must have spent years in an armoury as there were no dings or bruising on the wood work and the metal work was like new. Manufactured in November of 1917, it was exceptionally accurate out to 800 yards. Regret selling it a few years ago.
same for my Father, but, he bought his in the late fifties-early sixties....looked & shot like yours aswell, except some prick stole his from our home & he always missed that rifle till the day he died.
Many of these rifles were arsenal refurbished prior to and during WWII and then never issued. You can find old ads selling them post-war for just a few dollars. My Eddystone is the same. Mirror bore and accurate as all get out. Short of having to feed my kids, I'm never selling it, or my Winchester version.
as nice as that would be, theres "enough" surplus to not have as big a demand as one would wish, and even if they did they wouldn't hold up like originals,, and they'd be retardedly expensive
It would only take a bunch of plans and blueprints for it to be freely available on the net, and everyone who wants one having their own home machine shop, but yes, we can make our own. It's all dimensions, tolerances, and a lot of work and time. It would be a reproduction and not an 'original', but it will most likely perform the same way. *Treasure your 2nd Amendment rights!*
I have a 1917 Eddystone. I found it in a gun store I was browsing through. It's in great shape. The first rifle I ever bought after I came home from Marines in 1975. I still have it.
@wyomarine Greetings sir. Just found this video in my feed and was scrolling through the comments section to read peoples stories about their personal rifles and your comment struck me and decided to reply to you. I too have a very early sporterized Winchester all around that you would appreciate. Very well done wood work on it. Someone shaved off the top and bottom of the butt stock and added wood by dovetailing it to the original wood and turned it into a Monte Carlo. Amazing work sir. Was thinking of restoring it but whoever sporterized it did a fantastic job at it. I’ll keep it this way.
It truly is an amazing sight to have a recording of how the 1917 was made from start to finish. Owning one of these rifles is an even greater honor! (Mine is stamped May 1918)
this is so cool, I bought one of these in the summer of 1968, mine was a Winchester and the barrel date was March 1918....I still own it and it is amazing.....thanks for posting
A case of rifles! I'll take 2 cases. I bought a 1903A1 (Star Gauge bore) Springfield through the DCM in 1960. I think it was about $15 dollars. It took a week of baking the stock in a warm oven overnight to get all the Cosmoline out. My Mom was furious. Surplus WW II 30:06 Ball ammo was plentiful, but they had that damn corrosive primer. Come home from the range, stick the muzzle into the toilet bowl, add soap and swab. That washed out the mercury salts and kept the bore pristine. I sold it for $50 in 1968. I see them for sale now at $20,000!
If I had a time machine, I'd buy so much surplus! Also, I know how Cosmoline smells just with a heat gun, so I can only imagine how it smelled permeating the house for hours on end!!!
I bought a 1918 Winchester M1917 from the CMP North Store a few months ago. It is a VFW turn in, absolute perfect shape, I've fired it a few times. Beautiful rifle..cool piece of history..
One of the best rifles ever made. It's amazing to see how different the manufacturing process was in some ways compared to now, and also how similar some others still are.
With just the origional Iron peep's Mine will put all 5 shot's in the black at 250 yard's with the elevation adjustment down!👍😳It is Stamped Winchester on almost every part.
Good taste, sir. Next to the Lee-Enfield #3, one of the best military rifles ever. Absolutely the best .3006 Springfield rifles. And we got the design handed to us by the Brits.
Thanks a lot for sharing. I've got a Remington M17, barrel dated September 18. It went through the lend and lease programme during WWII and handled to the Canadian Army. After that it was sold to a some sort of National Guard in Denmark and at the end, it landed tere in Italy. Now it's a beloved part of my collection.
The Danes actually still have it in limited service with their arctic "Sirius patrol" The metallurgy is so good that it's still the best choice for shooting polar bears.
I really find the test firing to be interesting. The indoor range then the 500 yard range. That was quite something. The rifle came already sighted in, all the soldiers had to do was clean off the slushing materials and test fire and off to the trenches they go.
No, only a general sighting in so the soldier can hit paper. Every gun needs to be sighted in by the individual soldier. That’s why soldiers are issued the same weapon once they have it sighted in.
@@ricktaylor5744 Slushing appears to be some sort of preservative alright but I had no luck googling it. I have two M17's both customized and both great shooters.
Yep, and this causes a lot of confusion when people read about how a barrel maker checks their barrel blanks for "straightness" after they cut the rifling in one, that procedure is done with a tool called an Air Guage, and a better term to use for what they do at that point would be to say they're checking the bore for uniformity down it's length, ie the bore is the same diameter from one end to the other and doesn't have any points in it where it gets narrower or wider. The way an Air Guage wirks is there's an insert that is put in the barrel that's a steel rod that goes down it's entire length that has a sleeve that you pull down it, an air hose hooks up to it that has a guage on it that's clear plastic that has a vertical hole in it with a little ball bearing inside the hole that floats up and down in it, when you pull the sleeve of the Air Guage down it's length and the bore of the gun barrel gets wider at any point down it let's more air past the sleeve of the Air Guage and the ball bearing in the the indicator rises, likewise if the bore of the barrel gets narrower at any point the ball bearing drops in the indicator. These Air Guage's are incredibly accurate, they can measure a .0001" (one ten thousandths, that's one tenth of one thousands) variation in bore diameter. A "Match Grade" barrel has no more than .0005" (one half of a thousandths) variation in it's diameter anywhere down it's length. My friends dad who was a gunsmith and a very smart guy made his own barrel guage, what he did was make a steel rod to put down the length of a barrel with a sleeve to pull down it but he had it hooked up to the natural gas inside the house, when he turned a valve on the gas would come out the muzzle end of the barrel and he'd light it on fire, he had an adjustable regulator on it so he could adjust it so there was just a little flame at the end of the barrel when he pulled the sleeve through the barrel and it came to a wider point in the bore diameter the flame would get bigger, if the sleeve passed through a tighter point of the bore the flame would get smaller, it was very accurate.
There is more to it than they show. There is a small paint brush that moves along the path of the barrel, and when the barrel billet is bent (!!!Alliteration!!!) the brush leaves a mark on the billet where it is bent. Each successive hammer-blow results in a slight deformation that will collectively allow the barrel billet to be declared basically completed. It won’t be perfectly straight, but it is straight-enough that drilling the bore and chamber won’t produce an uncentered hole at one end. Now the process is similar, but we have machines that automate the process much more quickly. And, we have processes like the Cold-forging of Barrel and Bore simultaneously that eliminates the need for boring a barrel billet and banging on it with a hammer to straighten.
Look how accurate they were at 500 yards after such a rough manufacturing process. I mean; the shank of the barrel wasn't even secured in the lathe when he cut the chamber! I love this video!
@@craigcooper8593 No propaganda; these rifles are still very accurate today even after being around for 120+ years. There's a video on the Forgotten Weapons channel of them taking a 1917 Enfield out to 1000 yards with hand loads.
Very true BUT at least with mine that process shows its self, doesn't close on a field guage but its not far off probably in the 80-85% range of a bolt throw or more, also at least with the current bolt in it the action isn't true due to bulges at the case head. Rifle will be seeing a gunsmith within the next few months. Bolt is eddystone as well as the rifle and im currently looking at bolts to try closing up the headspace a little. Sights, trigger are awesome! And interestingly I have a weird follower in mine that acts like a single feed, its just a round follower versus the more traditional style followers you see in almost every other military bolt action rifle out there. Best way to describe how it works is instead of feeding a round into the box magazine where ya hear the click when its in, this follower you just place the round on it and push the bolt home, as a result you won't know your rifle is empty either till you hear a click since the follower won't hold the bolt back when empty.
This is beautiful ! So much technology and work going into these pieces. And now generations later we can still enjoy them. It really makes me look at old guns in another way. I really want to buy a M1917 just because now lol
@@ToreDL87 nobody has ever said that. We want to limit. " A well regulated militia...". ".....a well regulated militia......" It's quite clear what the framers intended if you have any ability to read the English language andd have read about that time in history. They didn't intend to have nutjobs buying guns and killing dozens at a time for sport.
Very cool. I recently was given a Winchester M1917 from my grandmother that belonged to my late grandfather. I've enjoyed learning all I can about this rifle!
I got my M1917 from a friend many years ago. He had bought 3 at a gun show back when they still sold weapons at decent prices. It's a Winchester dated 1918.
@@alswann2702 Krag's are THE gentleman's White Tail Deer hunting rifle where I come from, when I was a kid those old timers prized those things (unfortunately they sporterized them) especially for their silky smooth actions. But there's no way I'd pick a combat rifle that I have to dump loose rounds into during a fire fight, sorry but I'd much rather have the stripper clip feature over that, and I don't think you'd have any problems cycling the action of a US M1917 during a fight, it'd be the last thing on your mind.
The 1917 Enfield was a great tack driving rifle. I've own all three Makes & the Eddystone was the best. Fit & finish plus smoothness of action was perfection. Absolutely great sights ,bar none. Thanks for posting.
When my Eddystone M17 needed a new barrel, the original barrel apparently put up a horrific fight for the hapless gunsmith. The gunsmith said, that some guy weighing 300 pounds must have screwed it in while standing on a pipe wrench.
Chick Donnelly the barrel maker was a mentor and neighbor and I used his barrels building rifles for customers. I stopped by one day to see him and he was using a hand wheel barrel straightener to straighten some barrels he had made. I said Douglas says they don't straighten barrels. He stopped and looked me straight in the eye and said "you really don't believe that BS do you?" I said no!! he said good because I was worried about you for a minute there.
Probably my favorite video on the internet. Amazing rifles. They’re still in use by Danish Sled Dog army units that patrol Greenland. They’re superior to anything modern because of their reliability in extreme cold weather conditions. They use them for defense against polar bears.
Among those of us that have had the Springfield, Mauser 8mm and the 1917/ or P14, It's amazing that the 1917 and P14 is on average the most accurate of the three. Especially when you see builder sighting barrels by eye and making correction in straightness with a 40 oz hammer! From a Battle field aspect the American Enfield US model 1917 and the British P14 are the most robust and resistant to damage of all the rifles. The battle ears on the front and rear sights are excellent at protecting the sights and the action so over built that it has been used to build African dangerous game rifles by numerous established Bespoke builders in calibers such as 458 Lott and 416 Rigby. Companies such as Westley-Richards, A-Square Firearms and even Roy Weatherby in his early days sporadically used those 1917 and British P14 actions to build their custom ordered rifles.
I have a Pattern 14 which is the British version of this rifle in 303 British caliber. Made by Winchester for the British. It was very nicely and professionally sporterized when I bought it. I had always heard how accurate the Winchester manufactured rifles were. This one is wicked accurate. Half inch groups at 100 yards. With the military trigger to boot. I've never seen anything this accurate.
FWIW, the realistic playback speed for various scenes varies from about 40% to 66% of the speed this video runs at. If you play it back at the 50% that TH-cam allows the actions are just slightly slow in most scenes (still fast in others), but MUCH more realistic than the standard playback speed.
I have a very nice Eddystone 1917 that was passed down from my grandfather to me. He bought in back in the 50's and wanted it because that's the rifle he trained with in basic training during WW2. I have used it deer hunting and still target shoot with it to this day.
@@HighCaliberHistoryLLC I can’t remember the name he channel. I will look up all the channels I am subscribed to. But he is the one that cleans up films from 1890’s-1920’s puts very good color on them and corrects the speed. Again, I will try to find him. Wonder who has the rights to this video, if anyone by now?
Looking at the old belt driven machines is is a miracle that these craftsmen produced such an accurate firearm!! Wish I had bought one when they were more readily available!!!
3:17 the hat jumped out at me. all the other guys so far have either been bareheaded or wearing casual hats. This guy has a nice one, which makes me wonder if that day, as he got ready for work, he thought to himself, "Oh, today's the film thing. I should wear my nice hat." And now, over 100 year later, here we are watching a guy who wore his nice hat to work that day because he wanted to be presentable on film.
I have two sporterized Winchester 1917's, both were my fathers. One just has a different rear sight, arsenal stamp 1917. The second has a scope and shorter barrel, arsenal stamp cut off. Both have high deer counts each. I'm also restoring his Smith Corona 1903a3. Dad may have passed but his rifles shoot like they're new. They'll keep getting passed down through the family.
People busting their ass for an honest days wage. Can't find that anymore. I also love all of the open machinery. Safety was up to you. Watch where you put your hands if you want to keep them.
02:13 how they able to create a nice 800yrd accuracy rifle with just looking and spinning wheels like that especially when there are no computer that able to verify their work accuracy, what serious proffesional gentlement.
probably the brawniest of all the military bolt actions, and really, every bit as modern as the original Winchester model 70. great to build custom guns on.
I love the old school turret lathe and what looks like maybe an OD grinder. I'm sure all the coolant they were using was made from lard or some such animal fat. I'd hate to get that in a cut
they also used soda water, kerosene, and other wild things, I have machinists books from the era with recommendations on different coolant/lubricants....
This was filmed at Winchester. Slush and Cosmoline are similar, but different enough that the military uses them for different applications and even has different standards and classifications for them.
Was the slush a wax based or oil based coating?
I just a week ago had the once-in-a-lifetime experience of cleaning a FULLY cosmoline rifle. It was soooo much fun I’ll never do it again!
Cosmoline is the gift that keeps on giving every time you shoot
The guy putting the receiver on doesn't look like he is over tightening it, but if you ever have to take one off, it's one of the hardest to remove.
@@2011woodlands yeah I was thinking to myself "THATS the guy to blame for all the hardships..."
My great grandfather was a machinist and worked at the Eddystone factory during the Great War. I have a copy of his draft card where he is listed as an “essential worker”
That's really cool! What an awesome piece of family history!
It's entirely possible that you great grandfathers fingerprints were once on something in my safe that has been in my family since new and I am the third generation owner of that I absolutely cherish.
Then I have a rifle he made and it still shoots great. be proud
I wonder if he made part of my rifle
I also have a 1917 Eddystone and live about 10 minutes from the original plant location
Those men did an outstanding job. They built those rifles to last.
They sure did!
I have a Winchester 1917 made in 1918. It’s in excellent condition. 107 years old and going strong!
I bought a sporterized Eddystone M1917 back in 1968 (with my father's help) for $40. It was manufactured in September of 1917. We redid the stock and barrel so that the rifle had a floating barrel. Can put 3 rounds into a Skoal can lid at 100 yards with this ol' girl. Have taken many deer, pronghorn, and elk with this rifle over the past 53 years. It's 104 years old and still performing like a champ. This rifle will still be able to do its job long after I'm gone!
@wyomarine The ol' boy who did the sporterization on mine didn't do a very good job and as such, it did not group well for him. All my dad and I did was pour a glass bedding in the stock for a floating barrel and bam, a decent shooting rifle!
These rifles shoot very well and vintage rifle matches are often won by the 1917 shooter. My 1918 winchester has the original barrel and will clean the target at 200 yards all 10's and x's.
Ps; we share same last name.
I've got a sporterised one here in Australia I built as a target rifle. Single taper Shilen barrel etc. I built bluing tanks and polished the rifle before bluing, you can shave in the blue finish, it looks like black chrome. The actions are high in nickel, so in the right light the action actually looks plum in colour, it looks great.
I have one of these rifles. I would never have guessed so many people were involved in hand-fitting it. Thanks for posting the video!
Thanks for watching!
I was just thinking about Andy Capp yesterday.
I purchased an Eddystone M1917 in m-i-n-t condition in the 1970s. The bore was like a mirror. The rifle must have spent years in an armoury as there were no dings or bruising on the wood work and the metal work was like new. Manufactured in November of 1917, it was exceptionally accurate out to 800 yards. Regret selling it a few years ago.
same for my Father, but, he bought his in the late fifties-early sixties....looked & shot like yours aswell, except some prick stole his from our home & he always missed that rifle till the day he died.
Nice gun. I regret a swede mauser myself
Never sell your guns!😫
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Many of these rifles were arsenal refurbished prior to and during WWII and then never issued. You can find old ads selling them post-war for just a few dollars. My Eddystone is the same. Mirror bore and accurate as all get out. Short of having to feed my kids, I'm never selling it, or my Winchester version.
My Winchester M1917 was made here, by men who are long since gone. I'm fortunate to own this piece of history.
The history really is quite impressive, isn't it?
@@HighCaliberHistoryLLC indeed it is.
Be sure & check 4- a made in Mexico-China stamp - LOL
I did like how they checked and bent the barrels ! Very very crude
They were making 1800 a day at eddystone and another 1800 in other places
It probably works and shoots well.
I wish we could re-manufacture these old battle rifles. I really do.
They truly don't make them like they used to.
as nice as that would be, theres "enough" surplus to not have as big a demand as one would wish, and even if they did they wouldn't hold up like originals,, and they'd be retardedly expensive
Actually, it can be done. They’d be about $1,800 each and no one would buy them…
It would only take a bunch of plans and blueprints for it to be freely available on the net, and everyone who wants one having their own home machine shop, but yes, we can make our own. It's all dimensions, tolerances, and a lot of work and time. It would be a reproduction and not an 'original', but it will most likely perform the same way.
*Treasure your 2nd Amendment rights!*
these workmen did an outstanding job for their country, this rifle was known to be reliable and accurate. many are still in civilian use today.
Got a 1918 Winchester myself. Barrel stamp shows 7-18 on it. Production number 120369
I have a 1917 Eddystone. I found it in a gun store I was browsing through. It's in great shape. The first rifle I ever bought after I came home from Marines in 1975. I still have it.
Never sell it.
@wyomarine Greetings sir. Just found this video in my feed and was scrolling through the comments section to read peoples stories about their personal rifles and your comment struck me and decided to reply to you. I too have a very early sporterized Winchester all around that you would appreciate. Very well done wood work on it. Someone shaved off the top and bottom of the butt stock and added wood by dovetailing it to the original wood and turned it into a Monte Carlo. Amazing work sir. Was thinking of restoring it but whoever sporterized it did a fantastic job at it. I’ll keep it this way.
It truly is an amazing sight to have a recording of how the 1917 was made from start to finish. Owning one of these rifles is an even greater honor! (Mine is stamped May 1918)
I love seeing the history of it all!
this is so cool, I bought one of these in the summer of 1968, mine was a Winchester and the barrel date was March 1918....I still own it and it is amazing.....thanks for posting
Glad you've still got it! Thanks for watching!
I have the same rifle barrel date May 1918
Have one too. 308 norma magnum. Fine weapon.
I believe the Winchester manufactured rifles are especially rare.
@@splean75 they made about 500,000 I believe, I have a Winchester.....U.S. Model of 1917
It's amazing how much hand work went into each rifle. How much difference between someone who really cared and someone just doing a job could make.
It’s amazing how things were made back in the day. Handle one of these rifles and you can tell it was made by a real craftsman
A case of rifles! I'll take 2 cases. I bought a 1903A1 (Star Gauge bore) Springfield through the DCM in 1960. I think it was about $15 dollars. It took a week of baking the stock in a warm oven overnight to get all the Cosmoline out. My Mom was furious. Surplus WW II 30:06 Ball ammo was plentiful, but they had that damn corrosive primer. Come home from the range, stick the muzzle into the toilet bowl, add soap and swab. That washed out the mercury salts and kept the bore pristine. I sold it for $50 in 1968. I see them for sale now at $20,000!
If I had a time machine, I'd buy so much surplus! Also, I know how Cosmoline smells just with a heat gun, so I can only imagine how it smelled permeating the house for hours on end!!!
Today's HEALTH & SAFETY inspectors would have a fit seeing this
Some of them use necktie when operting lathe
I was thinking the same thing the entire time.
Steve Lewis, you forget…THIS IS WAR! 😎
What are you talking about, they've even put a chain over the pit of stock finishing oil
Responsible and aware workers .
I bought a 1918 Winchester M1917 from the CMP North Store a few months ago. It is a VFW turn in, absolute perfect shape, I've fired it a few times. Beautiful rifle..cool piece of history..
You can definitely still find some gems at the CMP stores.
My Great Grandfather carried one in France and Belgium during the War.
One of the best rifles ever made.
It's amazing to see how different the manufacturing process was in some ways compared to now, and also how similar some others still are.
Thank you so much for this. I love my Eddystone. It’s amazingly accurate. I shoot it more than my modern rifles.
They're definitely great guns! Thanks for watching!
With just the origional Iron peep's Mine will put all 5 shot's in the black at 250 yard's with the elevation adjustment down!👍😳It is Stamped Winchester on almost every part.
I have an eddy stone too. Great gun.
Another eddystone here too. P14 in tree oh tree though.
Have Eddystone too, love to shoot and handle it. Had a Winchester 17 about 50 years ago.. miss it! Best from DK.
My favorite military bolt action rifle! Thanks!
Thanks for watching!
Good taste, sir. Next to the Lee-Enfield #3, one of the best military rifles ever. Absolutely the best .3006 Springfield rifles. And we got the design handed to us by the Brits.
Thanks a lot for sharing. I've got a Remington M17, barrel dated September 18. It went through the lend and lease programme during WWII and handled to the Canadian Army. After that it was sold to a some sort of National Guard in Denmark and at the end, it landed tere in Italy. Now it's a beloved part of my collection.
The Danes actually still have it in limited service with their arctic "Sirius patrol" The metallurgy is so good that it's still the best choice for shooting polar bears.
@@dennisp.2147 If I recall right the load they use is in the 180-220 grain weight range for polar bears.
I really find the test firing to be interesting. The indoor range then the 500 yard range. That was quite something. The rifle came already sighted in, all the soldiers had to do was clean off the slushing materials and test fire and off to the trenches they go.
Yeah, you expect them to be fired as a function check, but not to be tested out to 500 yards!
No, only a general sighting in so the soldier can hit paper. Every gun needs to be sighted in by the individual soldier. That’s why soldiers are issued the same weapon once they have it sighted in.
Was slushing done instead of packing them in cosmoline? (Or had it not been invented yet?)
@@christopherharmon2433 that's a good question I wonder if maybe slushing is just the what they call the process of putting the cosmoline on?
@@ricktaylor5744 Slushing appears to be some sort of preservative alright but I had no luck googling it. I have two M17's both customized and both great shooters.
Just amazing footage, laughed at how they straightened the barrels. Thanks.
It's the same procedure like today. 🤷♂️
I've seen a German news segment filmed at HK, and they had a guy straighten 416 barrels with an almost identical machine.
@@norwegianwiking That guy will be called the Laufrichter, it's a verified profession in Germany. 😉
Yep, and this causes a lot of confusion when people read about how a barrel maker checks their barrel blanks for "straightness" after they cut the rifling in one, that procedure is done with a tool called an Air Guage, and a better term to use for what they do at that point would be to say they're checking the bore for uniformity down it's length, ie the bore is the same diameter from one end to the other and doesn't have any points in it where it gets narrower or wider.
The way an Air Guage wirks is there's an insert that is put in the barrel that's a steel rod that goes down it's entire length that has a sleeve that you pull down it, an air hose hooks up to it that has a guage on it that's clear plastic that has a vertical hole in it with a little ball bearing inside the hole that floats up and down in it, when you pull the sleeve of the Air Guage down it's length and the bore of the gun barrel gets wider at any point down it let's more air past the sleeve of the Air Guage and the ball bearing in the the indicator rises, likewise if the bore of the barrel gets narrower at any point the ball bearing drops in the indicator.
These Air Guage's are incredibly accurate, they can measure a .0001" (one ten thousandths, that's one tenth of one thousands) variation in bore diameter.
A "Match Grade" barrel has no more than .0005" (one half of a thousandths) variation in it's diameter anywhere down it's length.
My friends dad who was a gunsmith and a very smart guy made his own barrel guage, what he did was make a steel rod to put down the length of a barrel with a sleeve to pull down it but he had it hooked up to the natural gas inside the house, when he turned a valve on the gas would come out the muzzle end of the barrel and he'd light it on fire, he had an adjustable regulator on it so he could adjust it so there was just a little flame at the end of the barrel when he pulled the sleeve through the barrel and it came to a wider point in the bore diameter the flame would get bigger, if the sleeve passed through a tighter point of the bore the flame would get smaller, it was very accurate.
There is more to it than they show.
There is a small paint brush that moves along the path of the barrel, and when the barrel billet is bent (!!!Alliteration!!!) the brush leaves a mark on the billet where it is bent. Each successive hammer-blow results in a slight deformation that will collectively allow the barrel billet to be declared basically completed. It won’t be perfectly straight, but it is straight-enough that drilling the bore and chamber won’t produce an uncentered hole at one end.
Now the process is similar, but we have machines that automate the process much more quickly. And, we have processes like the Cold-forging of Barrel and Bore simultaneously that eliminates the need for boring a barrel billet and banging on it with a hammer to straighten.
Look how accurate they were at 500 yards after such a rough manufacturing process. I mean; the shank of the barrel wasn't even secured in the lathe when he cut the chamber! I love this video!
I suspect there may have been a bit of fudging involved.
Propaganda.
@@craigcooper8593 No propaganda; these rifles are still very accurate today even after being around for 120+ years. There's a video on the Forgotten Weapons channel of them taking a 1917 Enfield out to 1000 yards with hand loads.
Very true BUT at least with mine that process shows its self, doesn't close on a field guage but its not far off probably in the 80-85% range of a bolt throw or more, also at least with the current bolt in it the action isn't true due to bulges at the case head. Rifle will be seeing a gunsmith within the next few months. Bolt is eddystone as well as the rifle and im currently looking at bolts to try closing up the headspace a little. Sights, trigger are awesome! And interestingly I have a weird follower in mine that acts like a single feed, its just a round follower versus the more traditional style followers you see in almost every other military bolt action rifle out there.
Best way to describe how it works is instead of feeding a round into the box magazine where ya hear the click when its in, this follower you just place the round on it and push the bolt home, as a result you won't know your rifle is empty either till you hear a click since the follower won't hold the bolt back when empty.
Would love to have just one of those fresh off the line! Nice video!!
I'd love to have one too!
@@HighCaliberHistoryLLC I’d rather have one (and do) that has seen some use. Been in the hands of a soldier, has some character.
This is beautiful ! So much technology and work going into these pieces. And now generations later we can still enjoy them. It really makes me look at old guns in another way. I really want to buy a M1917 just because now lol
Absolutely!
Back when a firearm was viewed as an inanimate object.
Yes, pretty sure back then nobody was screaming about their 2nd amendment rights. Now, people want to "sleep" with their guns.
@@diffened Don't miss the one where other people wants said rights taken away.
@@ToreDL87 nobody has ever said that. We want to limit. " A well regulated militia...". ".....a well regulated militia......" It's quite clear what the framers intended if you have any ability to read the English language andd have read about that time in history. They didn't intend to have nutjobs buying guns and killing dozens at a time for sport.
AMEN!!!
Back when they could barely afford a gun too
What I like about this videos is how bolt action rifle of WW1 were made.
Springfield 1903
Gewehr 98
Mosin Nagant
Lebel 1886
No1 MK3
Steyr M95
America was so beautiful then. Wish it was like that now .
103 million people back then, 333 million now.
Not shown: anyone not of fairer complexion. Or the slums of naturalized Americans. Or the rampant racism...
Wow, the quality and handwork is amazing. I have a couple of eddy stones and I love them and shoot them. Tough rifles.
I have an eddystone armory rifle that is in very good condition. It shoots like a dream. Thanks for the historical view into its manufacturing.
Very cool. I recently was given a Winchester M1917 from my grandmother that belonged to my late grandfather. I've enjoyed learning all I can about this rifle!
That's awesome that you now have the family heirloom! Thanks for watching!
Outstanding documentary.
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I got my M1917 from a friend many years ago. He had bought 3 at a gun show back when they still sold weapons at decent prices. It's a Winchester dated 1918.
Nice!
Thank you for this video. It's wonderful to see the work that went into these rifles.
Thanks for watching!
I know it is speeded up but I love the speed at which workers work when being filmed, immposible to keep up over an 8 hour shift.!
These dude worked at light speed lol. Not one pair of safety glasses or gloves. Awesome footage, thank for putting it up!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Best military bolt action rifle of all time.
Bawwwww!!! I'll stick to civilizing 'em with my Krag carbine. Smooth as a Krag unlike my sticky bolt Eddystone.
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Krag's are THE gentleman's White Tail Deer hunting rifle where I come from, when I was a kid those old timers prized those things (unfortunately they sporterized them) especially for their silky smooth actions.
But there's no way I'd pick a combat rifle that I have to dump loose rounds into during a fire fight, sorry but I'd much rather have the stripper clip feature over that, and I don't think you'd have any problems cycling the action of a US M1917 during a fight, it'd be the last thing on your mind.
@@alswann2702 Right up until the single locking lug breaks...
The 1917 Enfield was a great tack driving rifle. I've own all three Makes & the Eddystone was the best. Fit & finish plus smoothness of action was perfection. Absolutely great sights ,bar none. Thanks for posting.
Appreciate you watching, and yes, they're definitely nice pieces.
When my Eddystone M17 needed a new barrel, the original barrel apparently put up a horrific fight for the hapless gunsmith. The gunsmith said, that some guy weighing 300 pounds must have screwed it in while standing on a pipe wrench.
Best shooting rifle of The Great War. IMHO. I wonder which plant this was.
This was at Winchester.
@@HighCaliberHistoryLLC that's where mine is from! Has a barrel date of 2-18
Chick Donnelly the barrel maker was a mentor and neighbor and I used his barrels building rifles for customers. I stopped by one day to see him and he was using a hand wheel barrel straightener to straighten some barrels he had made. I said Douglas says they don't straighten barrels. He stopped and looked me straight in the eye and said "you really don't believe that BS do you?" I said no!! he said good because I was worried about you for a minute there.
Those hand straighteners sure were cool.
Belt driven machinery! And the way in which they “straighten” the barrels - and it worked!
The belt driven machinery is my favorite part - and yeah, the straightening is pretty cool!
Not exactly one of a thousand or one of a hundred.
Definitely not!
simply amazing how quickly they turned out rifles!!!
Awesome rifle. I have the Winchester model manufactured in May 1918
Nice! There were 202,376 made that month.
That is when my Winchester was made too.
Probably my favorite video on the internet. Amazing rifles. They’re still in use by Danish Sled Dog army units that patrol Greenland. They’re superior to anything modern because of their reliability in extreme cold weather conditions. They use them for defense against polar bears.
Excellent video. Thanks for posting
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Among those of us that have had the Springfield, Mauser 8mm and the 1917/ or P14,
It's amazing that the 1917 and P14 is on average the most accurate of the three. Especially when you see builder sighting barrels by eye and making correction in straightness with a 40 oz hammer! From a Battle field aspect the American Enfield US model 1917 and the British P14 are the most robust and resistant to damage of all the rifles. The battle ears on the front and rear sights are excellent at protecting the sights and the action so over built that it has been used to build African dangerous game rifles by numerous established Bespoke builders in calibers such as 458 Lott and 416 Rigby.
Companies such as Westley-Richards, A-Square Firearms and even Roy Weatherby in his early days sporadically used those 1917 and British P14 actions to build their custom ordered rifles.
My rifle has an 11-17 barrel stamp. I LOVE shooting my WW1 M-1917!
Nice to have that original barrel! Thanks for watching!
Mine does too! 11-17! 4 digit serial number, bluing is still fantastic! Mine is a Remington.
Very nice. Mine was rebarreled in ‘32.
What an excellent video. Amazing mechanization. Thanks for sharing this.
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching!
Awesome video!! I've shot one of those thousands of times. One of the best I've got!
I love seeing the old footage!
Great over 100 (!) year old motion picture about incredible machining and craftmanship! But at what point happened the rifling process of the barrel?
After the reaming operation
AWESOME video, Hats off to those who shared !!! - Thank You !!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Those men are like little gods, creating something special
For sure!
Skilled master craftsmen, all... and it's a safe bet that not a single one was a DEI hire.
I have a Pattern 14 which is the British version of this rifle in 303 British caliber. Made by Winchester for the British. It was very nicely and professionally sporterized when I bought it. I had always heard how accurate the Winchester manufactured rifles were. This one is wicked accurate. Half inch groups at 100 yards. With the military trigger to boot. I've never seen anything this accurate.
The folks at Winchester definitely knew what they were doing.
Thanks incredible footage
Thanks for watching!
Wonderful video, thanks. Fascinating to see the manufacturing.
Thanks for watching!
I want a time machine. To go back and live in that era.
Me too!
Thanks for posting. I love my M1917
Thanks for watching!
Awsome team work largely a thing of the past today !
Definitely a different time, for sure!
FWIW, the realistic playback speed for various scenes varies from about 40% to 66% of the speed this video runs at. If you play it back at the 50% that TH-cam allows the actions are just slightly slow in most scenes (still fast in others), but MUCH more realistic than the standard playback speed.
Ooh, I have one of those, an Eddystone. Damn good rifle, interesting video, thanks!
Thanks for watching!
1917 Winchester, best shooting rifle i ever owned. Got it in 1964, still one holes them.
My Winchester 1917 (made in 1918) had an Elmer Kieth inspection mark, gotten when he did such work at the Ogden Arsenal.
Very cool!
No CNC equipment, no dial test indicators, simple end to end lathe operations. Barrel straightening by eye. And they still shot amazing.
Glad you enjoyed the glimpse into the past!
Some companies still use the same straightening techniques . It works , similar system used to align lenses in optical systems .
I have a very nice Eddystone 1917 that was passed down from my grandfather to me. He bought in back in the 50's and wanted it because that's the rifle he trained with in basic training during WW2. I have used it deer hunting and still target shoot with it to this day.
Nice!
Boy can these guys move fast. I wish i could lay bricks as fast as these guys work.😅
If you were one of Bidens asylum seekers you could 😂😂😂
This would be an incredible film for someone to clean up and speed correct and colorize. Awesome video!
Totally agree! If I had the ability to do the cleaning and coloring I would, but alas, I don't. Thanks for watching!
@@HighCaliberHistoryLLC I can’t remember the name he channel. I will look up all the channels I am subscribed to. But he is the one that cleans up films from 1890’s-1920’s puts very good color on them and corrects the speed. Again, I will try to find him. Wonder who has the rights to this video, if anyone by now?
@@SVT40AK47 It's in the public domain.
Wow cool video and history of a great rifle.
Thanks for watching!
I own several rifles from that era. I wish they could talk .
Right there with ya!
I'd imagine the shouting matches in your cabinet would be epic. German and English while the Austrian and French ones glare at each other.
I love my Eddystone.
Me too..! 🤗
Just bought a Winchester 1917 in the 16,000 serial range complete with bayonet. Bore looks great and stock has some great character with its' wear.
Fantastic footage... Considering this is so long ago, the speed of the mass production is phenomenal. Huzzah! 😊
It's sped up a bit from its original filming format, but this is how it was presented once digitized.
I had a winchester M1917 made may of 1918. Payed 75 bucks for it. It was in great condition only bad part was it was a sporterized stock.
From my understanding, Savage still uses the same or similar technique to straighten barrels. Great video!
Thanks for watching!
Would love to get my hands on one of these. Great rifle.
Found one at a gun show in 2015 for 400, it’s one of my favorite rifles
Great craftsman and good music to go along with the vidio.
Such a cool video! I own of these rifles, to think this is how they made her 115 years ago. Thank you!
Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed it!
Always slush your rifle before shipping! Lol.
Amazing video.
Thanks for the history
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Omg awesome thanks for sharing this video !!!!
Thanks for watching!
Thanx for including Semper Fidelis by Sousa in the video.
Absolutely! Thanks for watching!
Wow tough men, no gloves, eye protection, no EPA. Awsome
Yeah, they were tough SOBs.
Or women, anywhere.
OSHA wasn't even the horizon back then.
Wow people used to work so fast back then! Look how fast they do their job, must be one heck of a pay!
Great video of a great rifle. Would like to see the counterpart of the Mauser and Enfield.
I've never encountered footage of Mauser or Enfield in my searches, but it definitely would be cool! Thanks for watching!
There is a video about Mauser Kar98k manufactury, it's called; " Making a K-98 Mauser rifle in Steyr, Austria 1940. "
It is on YT. (Not my video)
Great work
Thanks for watching!
Looking at the old belt driven machines is is a miracle that these craftsmen produced such an accurate firearm!! Wish I had bought one when they were more readily available!!!
I picked up a mint Eddystone for about $275 15 years ago. Obviously those days are gone, but you can still find them for sub $500.
Nothing inherently inaccurate about belt-driven machines. A buddy has one that still gets use in his shop.
I have a non re-import Eddystone M1917..In great condition. Barrel date 12- 17'
3:17 the hat jumped out at me. all the other guys so far have either been bareheaded or wearing casual hats. This guy has a nice one, which makes me wonder if that day, as he got ready for work, he thought to himself, "Oh, today's the film thing. I should wear my nice hat." And now, over 100 year later, here we are watching a guy who wore his nice hat to work that day because he wanted to be presentable on film.
I have two sporterized Winchester 1917's, both were my fathers. One just has a different rear sight, arsenal stamp 1917. The second has a scope and shorter barrel, arsenal stamp cut off. Both have high deer counts each. I'm also restoring his Smith Corona 1903a3. Dad may have passed but his rifles shoot like they're new. They'll keep getting passed down through the family.
People busting their ass for an honest days wage. Can't find that anymore. I also love all of the open machinery. Safety was up to you. Watch where you put your hands if you want to keep them.
Because they have strong labor unions to make all that worthwhile...
Love to find a crate of those.
Me too!
Best Rifle ever made in the USA.
Definitely a contender.
02:13 how they able to create a nice 800yrd accuracy rifle with just looking and spinning wheels like that especially when there are no computer that able to verify their work accuracy, what serious proffesional gentlement.
They still do that today with Pedersoli Rifles my guy
probably the brawniest of all the military bolt actions, and really, every bit as modern as the original Winchester model 70. great to build custom guns on.
Great Job!
Thank You :)
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Very interesting video, we need to bring this kind of manufacturing back to the U.S.
Agreed!
I love the old school turret lathe and what looks like maybe an OD grinder. I'm sure all the coolant they were using was made from lard or some such animal fat. I'd hate to get that in a cut
Yeah, definitely a tough place to work, despite the factory being state of the art for its day.
they also used soda water, kerosene, and other wild things, I have machinists books from the era with recommendations on different coolant/lubricants....
@@ypaulbrown that would be pretty a interesting book to take a look at
I've setup and ran quite a few #3 Warner Swazie turret lathes in my day....kinda fun actually.
The REAL "Sgt. York" rifle!