First church that i know that is truly trying to protect our children. God bless the LDS church and their members. Finally there are more people who understand truth. My wife is getting baptized this Sunday in an LDS church. I support her and read scripture with her. I may be converting myself someday. This new information is definitely steering me towards the church. I watch your content along with a few other lds channels. We live in western new york an hour from Palmyra and i just learned of your religion 3 years ago. But i do like what i have learned and i definitely like the church now protecting the members from having to concede their beliefs due to someones feelings.
Googly street view shows what triggered Joseph Smith, affectionately known as "Confusion Corners" four rival churches at the center of Palmyra; each occupying a corner. 43.063562° -77.233386° His question to God was which one of these four to join and the answer was "none of them". The question still exists for a great many people.
@steveangora7839 I'm so happy that your wife is getting baptized and that you are a true seeker of truth as well. I am from rural NY and the missionaries came to our house in 1970. My life was changed forever! I am so thankful for my membership in the church. Bless you as you continue to study and learn
Study the scriptures and pray that you too may gain a testimony of the restored Gospel of Jesus Christ, gaining that testimony and receiving the true ordinances of salvation is the single, most important thing you will ever do in your life, witch will have immense positive and eternal consequences for yourself and your loved ones. May the Spirit of God enlighten you and guide you to the truth.
I am one of those anomalies. I am XXY, better known as Multiple Chromosomal Disorder or Klinefelter's Syndrome. For all intensive purposes though I am male. That is what the 'Y' chromosome does. I am a man, just with some extra bits thrown in. The extra 'X' does give me some female traits, like my hormones going nuts once a month, which synced up with my wife's own monthly cycles too and now that I am older I'm going through Menopause. Hot flashes suck by the way. I am very much looking forward to the resurrection when I can have a wonderful normal celestial body!
I was recently in a leadership training meeting with a regional rep from LDS Family Services discussing LGBTQ issues. She made an awesome comment, which I wrote down: “The Spirit testifies of TRUTH not of political correctness and it does not tip toe around the issues. If you find yourself tip toeing around the issues you are not following the Spirit.” Love that these updates in the handbook are not tip toeing around these issues anymore. We must live based on truth. While listening to the discussion of the difficulty and awkwardness for 1 individual who doesn’t live according to his/her sex, I couldn’t help but think of this line from 1 Nephi: “it is better that one man should perish than an entire nation dwindle and perish in unbelief.”
don't hire LGBT+ people and issues just VANISH. they can have jobs in entertainment and hospitality thats where they domnate why do they need jobs in any other field that doesn't need attention seeking or validation.
Well said, Greg, and you're right, the Young Women to be the greeters is good. Also, as an adult convert myself years ago, I didn't get baptized and become a member of the true Church, to decide one day that I want The Church to change doctrine or even policies, to accommodate me. I joined The Church, to follow Christ and do what He wants me to do and become who He wants me to be, NOT for The Church to follow me or do what I want.
@@reppi8742 Thanks. The part that surprised me was that one who feels a different gender than they are biologically, can still use the bathroom of the opposite gender. Even with a 'trusted' person to make sure no one else uses it at the same time, that means other people that are of the appropriate gender for that particular restroom have to wait in the hallway, or they are forced to use the other appropriate restroom on the other side of the building. @CWICShow hasn't responded to my original comments, which I'd like to get his response. What I was trying to say - not very well - in my original comment, was that as a convert years ago, I trusted The Church would not give-in to the ways of the world. I joined to follow a higher law - of Christ - not the world's ways...
I have no problem loving people who are different, however, I don't have to change my "culture" to align with the latest social media and non science based assignments. There are absolutely some physical and biological anomalies that require a different approach, however, 99.9% are absolutely biologically specific. Stick to the family model. You can go to Sodom and call people what they wished to be called if that is your inclination, but in a Temple of God, you cannot. Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion are "nice" tools that Satan uses to break down that which God has deemed sacred, the family. I was really disappointed that the church did not take a stronger stance during the so called "pandemic". Be cautious for sure, but don't feed into the plans of satan which lead to destruction. Remember, we are to overcome the Natural Man, not accommodate it. Thanks for standing up for those values.
Regarding restrictions on temple covenants, they say "relegating them to second-class citizens." We should say, "Prevent them from making covenants they can't/won't keep."
Exactly!!! For years being the prodigal son, I was encumbered with sin, but because I always believed in the Gospel, I chose to never make any covenants in the temple that I might break- beyond the hypocrisy of going to the temple to begin with. That foresight was given to me by Heavenly Father. May He have that glory.
@@donaldjones9830 And there are blessing predicated on each of those governing laws. Not abiding those laws limits the freedom we each choose for ourself.
@@jillosborn6886Jesus fulfilled the law. Now, all the laws fall into just 2 commandments. How are YOU doing on those 2 commandments? I know I have some work to do. By reading 99% of the comments by people proclaiming from their lips to be His followers, I think they have some work to do as well.
@TureRealD Asking ourselves how we are doing in those 2 areas is vital, but I find it even more productive to ask Heavenly Father for feedback in those areas. I don't think we need to report those things to each other. We each only have control over our own thoughts, feelings, and actions and we are accountable to God for those. I am sorry if something I chose to say influenced you in an unpleasant way. That was surely not my intent. I was just trying to make a point that God's plan is a plan of order, not a free for all.
@@jillosborn6886 I agree with everything you've said. I would clarify, I'm not asking you or anyone to report to me. You are only accountable to Christ. However, we should proclaim the joy and freedom we feel from abiding the 2 great commandments and share testimonies and stories about how we accomplished that in our own lives. Instead, I find many of us (myself too often as well), spending most of our condemning others for their adherence to those 2 great commandments. This is why I invited you or anyone else to turn inward first but not to "report" to me.
"Real love for the sinner may compel courageous confrontation-not acquiescence! Real love does not support self-destructing behavior." - Russell M Nelson Strongly recommend reading President Nelson's "Teach us Tolerance & Love" general conference talk in which he warns of taking tolerance too far.
More and more I am seeing the need for the constant relationship with the Holy Ghost. How could I get through any of this with out Him. Once again President Nelson is right or better put, the evidence of following the constant guidance of the Holy Ghost is seen the President Nelson's actions.
If the church doesn't know the reason why people are transgender, how can they consider it a "sin"? Do they actually call it a "sin", or are those your words?
I was just called to our Stake Primary Presidency....I never in a million years thought we would be facing anything like this. God Bless and protect our little ones!
What’s crazy is I was at our Stakes YM’s camp out a couple of weeks ago, and was talking with other leaders from other Wards and the trans issue came up, and one of the Bishop’s tried telling me that The Church has no official position on the matter. Then there’s our previous YW’s President that is a full on “Ally”, and could have been considered to have been encouraging it. My daughter told me that at one point the YW’s President asked her if she had a boyfriend (this was when my daughter was 13😡), and when my daughter told her no the YWP then asked oh maybe a “girlfriend” then😡😡😡😡😡. I asked my daughter why she didn’t tell me back when it happened, and she told me she didn’t think anything of it at the time🤦🏼♂️. After the YWP was released we had a bit of a mess to clean up since a couple of our YW were in same sex relationships, and one was openly telling people she was a guy at the YW activities. One of the situations we had to address involved one of the YW at a ward activity engaging in PDA with her girlfriend.
I'm in a Primary Presidency. I feel for the other counselor. Her daughter is in a same-sex marriage and is transitioning to be a man. They come to church when they visit and the daughter-in-law seems to like it. She has children from a previous marriage. One is about two years old and they dress her like a boy for some reason.
@@JCole78 hearing stories, like this, makes me sick, 🤮 A leader in our stake wears a gay flag pin on his suit coat lapel. There’s no American flag pin. There’s no prisoner of war Pin there’s no American flag policeman Pin, just a gay flag pin.
I'm an atheist. I go to LDS church every sunday. The clarity that the church has about what men and what women are resonates with me, even if I don't share the same literal beliefs about the nature of divinity. It is shameful how the left has latched on to the trans movement to mutilate, sterilize, and destroy young same sex attracted people. I used to mistakenly believe that the religious and faithful were ignorant, or bigoted, or misguided - I now clearly recognize that more important than any disagreements I might have with them on doctrine or dogma, are the agreements that I have with them on morality. The secular left has become demonic.
@@nataliemitchell9219 Metaphor. Even if stories of demons aren't literally true, that narrative speaks of an objectively evil perspective that has been embraced by all too many in the secular left. I believe that transcendent moral truths can be revealed by fiction. So, whether or not the gospels are fictional or not, I can still appreciate the moral truths they reveal - which, ultimately, I think is the most important part about them.
@@JereKrischelwould you please try listening to a podcast? You seem curious and eager to learn so I recommend you try The Ancient Tradition podcast and see how you feel and reason in your mind. Pay attention to what resonates. I think you will be fascinated and open your eyes to so much you never knew was available. 😊
@@tiffanyseavy565 Interesting podcast - I'm not sure if we can exclude parallel development of similar traditions. It's possible that there is a single original tradition, but it's also possible that there are fundamental universal truths, and people who pursue a path to discover those truths can discover them independently. If you imagine, for example, Leibniz and Newton - did they both get calculus from some original source, or did they make their discoveries independently? If I was going to posit an ancient original theological tradition, I might imagine that they knew it as metaphor, but over time, it was transmitted as literal :) Who knows, maybe my metaphorical mormonism is an echo of the original ancient metaphorical religious tradition about a metaphorical god :)
Our VERY last Sunday in our old ward in Albuquerque, a woman came to church with her 15 year old son dressed like a girl, and an actual daughter. The mother introduced herself during Relief Society, and said that they were moving from El Paso, Texas. She railed against her previous Bishop, speaking about how unloving and intolerant he was for not allowing her son to go to Young Women and said that she was looking for a ward where the bishop would allow it. On our way home from church that day, my husband and I, despite how much we hated leaving that ward and leaving Albuquerque, both breathed sighs of relief that it was our last Sunday. My husband was in the bishopric, And would’ve had to deal with that. Our daughters had already graduated from young women, but we both said almost the exact same thing at the same time. We would NOT allow our daughters to go to a young women class where a boy was permitted to attend. We’d go to church, attend sacrament meeting, Ward activities, etc., and we would teach young women to our daughters at home - probably with several other young women and their parents who ALSO would have pulled their daughters out. We kept in contact with friends in the ward, and learned that the bishop did not allow the boy to go to young women, and the family had moved on to searching other wards.
I have a friend that had to pull his kids out of primary because of the way their ward was doing it. Now he and his wife are being judged as “inactive” because they go to sacrament and then they go home. But at home they spend the whole day devoted to teaching them the gospel and spending time as a family. TBH I would do the same if I were in that situation.
@@cjolley3341 don’t think for a minute this mean the gospel isn’t true. Remember the church is perfect but the members are not. We go to church each week to be “healed” and to feel the spirit.
Time stamp 31:35. You can show all the compassion in the world to a large portion of the LGBTQ+ community, but unless you advocate for them they will reject your compassion and revile you as a hater.
@@CwicShowA mixed bag would seem to mean a goodly number of LGBTQ+ persons who aren’t in your face about their lifestyle, but I do believe it’s a small minority. For example, I follow Dennis Schleicher who was gay and baptized by Sister Missionaries I served with in the Massachusetts Boston Mission. Dennis has thus far, by his various posting, shown he has really accepted the gospel and rejected his previous lifestyle, Dennis is highly compassionate and definitely not a hater but does not advocate , to my knowledge that the Church allow gay marriage in the temple. Dennis seems to be a rare exception and possibly Ben Shalot too, but I know less about him. I think you are the best out there on explaining these difficult Church issues. Could you do a video justifying President Oaks saying it’s ok to vote for democrats. My wife stopped attending Church to a large degree after the Oaks talk in General Conference. She has talked to the Bishop about her concern with Oaks but the Bishop isn’t the kind of person who knows how to articulate difficult and nuanced doctrinal issues. You seem to have that rare ability.
@@rebekahcrook226 Thank you for your kind comment. I have pointed that out to her but when you have close family members who have transitioned the 00.01 percent comment that seems out of character is especially stinging when that family members life is spiraling out of control. I’ve been told that out of the 15 apostles a few were active democrats or supportive of them. Oaks was staunch democrat before full time Church service . Uchtdorf donated to the extremely progressive Raphael Warnock. I was also informed Renlund was a Democrat. When 63 million innocent lives have been taken through what democrats call reproductive justice since Roe V Wade and then you get temple record question #7 which says “Do you support or promote any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?” and democrats support, teach and practice abortion, transitioning, and gay marriage, doctrines in direct conflict with the teachings of the LDS Church, how can you so no to that question if you vote for a democrat? Clearly each person who votes for a democrat gives the Democratic Party strength, and that strengthens the support for and practice of abortion. Abortion, gender transitioning, and gay marriage are the most critical wedge issues of our day which satan uses to attack the church by using democrats to call all those who are against those issues, haters and bigots. For me, no matter what Oaks says, I’ll never no never, I’ll never no never, I’ll never no never ,no never forsake.
@@richardallen383I think we should be more humble. If that many prophets and apostles can find worthy things in the Democrat party than what are WE missing? I find that both parties are corrupt and greedy for power. I abhor abortion too but perhaps it is God's will for all to use their agency without restraint in the coming days. Perhaps we have to lose battles to win the war. Perhaps there is something more sinister going on with the Republican party than we can fathom. I often wonder what "flattering words" were used in the book of Mormon to persuade the people into destruction. I can see flattering words used by all our politicians. It's hard to discern but I believe as we strive to stay humble and follow the commandments we will shake out ok. We should be most weary of the SIFTING taking place on all sides. Every one feels like they have a right to be offended and cut off whatever relationship doesn't serve them. It's a dangerous doctrine.
@@MommaCrissa”Hope and Change” 46:36 was Obama’s theme. Interesting that it sounds eerily similar to “Hope in. Christ.” The adversary always seems to twist things just enough to make earthlings think his ways are Christ’s ways.
NO NO NO!!! Our Heavenly Father wouldn't even condone to this!! We are who we are when we receive our body!! We are who we were in the pre existence!! 😢
I look forward to the day when the Lord returns and reigns as King. Then, all of this nonsense will be no more. I enjoy listening to your thoughts, Greg. Your faith is strong.
I was in Ward Council about 7 years ago, and we had a Trans person in our ward. I was the one who said we shouldn't let him use the women's bathroom, and I was metaphorically burnt at the stake. I told everyone they should read the proclamation to the family again. I'm also of the opinion that the doctrine of Christ's church won't change, so if you have a problem with it, then leave the church. The Lord's church will function fine without those individuals.
@@MaryMartinez-mc9qu specifically what doctrine has changed? policies change from time to time, but a policy is not doctrine. do you have examples of changed doctrine?
Why are we even discussing this? If the Church is wrong, then it cannot provide the means of Salvation it proclaims. Why would you want to be a part of such a mistaken organization? There are plenty of churches eager to cater to you! Now, if the Church is right, the path to Salvation will require you to bring your "sacrifice to the altar". The sacrifices will be different for each of us. They might include your "perceived identity". We all are expected to do that! The Church, through the infinite Atonement of Jesus Christ, is supposed to change us completely.
It is supposed to change us, but within the proper context. It has been said "the natural man is an enemy to God." That doesn't mean go change into a woman as a shortcut.
@@stevenfeil7079 That comment was given from the perspective of those who think the church is wrong to exclude them from certain church events or callings.
The church should be the second safest place for you & your children besides your home. The fact that this is even an issue is appalling. The fact that I have to be concerned about the people teaching my children in church is heartbreaking. I’m glad they added some clarification and I hope it helps.
I want to be Loving but let's say you have a men dressing as a woman at sacrament meeting every Sunday! He's not participating in any callings but every Sunday 99 percent of the ward has to sit there viewing this lie taking place. I'm not saying we should be mean but it would be hard for me to be friendly like I would to other investigators. Is this not forcing the majority of adults and children to not want to go through this every Sunday because this person wants to lie to himself and dresses as a woman? I can see an activist dunt this just to tick off a whole ward of people. I hope this doesn't get it. It would literally make me sick. I'm glad I live in a rural area where this probably wouldn't happen.
@@eyes_wide_open23 I actually just watched that again last week. I have never forgotten it since it was broadcast 15 years ago. I would love to hear more boldness like from the Brethren. I'm going to miss Elder Holland so much when he passes away.
@@franciegwinOr you could go hug them, sit next to them, be friends with them and remember they are a child of God with eternal potential. You could try that approach. If your sins were as "visible" as a man dressing as a woman would be at church, I'd bet you'd want true Christians in church to do the same to you.
What about the parents of those who transition their young children? Will they be held simmilarly accountable? They should be accountable for the abusive actions to the children entrusted them.
I think it depends on whether or not the parents were honestly duped by these so-called "experts" into thinking their own children will kill themselves if their parents don't blindly agree to their own arbitrary whims and ever shifting/increasing identity categories. Or if the parents weren't duped into thinking that giving their own prepubescent kid a sex change (for crying out loud!) Will cause suicide in later life and instead they had acted with the intent to obtain some sort of narcissistic supply, like all these mothers acting out of highly abusive Munchausen's by proxy pathologies who castrate their own little ones just to get praise and attention by her own particular peer group for it. Insane how much control big pharma has over our widespread cultural narratives in this modern era. All this talk about gender nonsense is just free advertising to them... Doesn't mean it shouldn't be talked about at all, quite the contrary, really. This bull shit (there's no other term that can adequatelyv and accurately define what all this bull shit exactly is: bull shit ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sorry) isn't talked about enough, especially in regards to the underlying profit incentive driving The demand for this entire nonsense. Not saying profit incentives are bad in and of themselves, (I may be a millennial but even I know better dead than red, so I assure you I ain't no commie.) However, just because not all profit incentives are bad, doesn't mean they're always wonderful and wholesome either. Edit: The biggest crime in all this is it's impact on families. Many parents go along with the whole transvestite Transylvania nonsense for no other reason than they are feeling forced to, lest the state even take their own kid away for not enabling this (say it with me!) BULL SHIT! Depending on where you currently live, you could even lose your own kid just for protecting them from all this pure EVIL bull shit! I'm so done with being patient with these people, as though we should be the ones feeling ashamed of ourselves and not them! I'll be damned before I let any of these sick opportunisic predators who prey on children make me feel ashamed of myself as though we're the ones doing something wrong instead of them, merely by standing up to them since our little ones simply can not do it all for themselves
We need to understand that some of these parents who transition their kids have been told by professionals that if they don't, their kid will commit suicide. Some are also threatened to have their kid taken away from them if they don't. It's also true that some parents push this ideaolgy on their kid.
Regarding some "scholars:" "One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe things like that: no ordinary man could be such a fool." -George Orwell "This is one of those views which are so absurd that only very learned men could possibly adopt them." -Bertrand Russell
2 Nephi 9:28 O that cunning plan of the evil one! O the vainness, and the frailties, and the foolishness of men! When they are learned they think they are wise, and they hearken not unto the counsel of God, for they set it aside, supposing they know of themselves, wherefore, their wisdom is foolishness and it profiteth them not. And they shall perish.
I pray all the time that the Church will continue to uphold absolute truth no matter the reactions of the great and spacious building. This handbook addition is good news. Good work, Greg.
@@davidlemon7543 No the Tribune started out as and continues to be an anti-mormon rag. The Church own KSL and Deseret News. The Tribune isnt even a for profit company anymore. Its now a non profit.
So a woman or girl has to WAIT until she can use the rest room because a man is in there. A menopausal woman who can't hang on had to wait. A young woman bleeding into her under wear from her period has to wait. A woman who just needs to go to the toilet had to wait. All because a man desires to be in there. None of this makes any sense. I am not even religious in any way shape or form
@@jodie-b4g In most church buildings in our faith there are more than one women's room in the building. So it is likely that they may have to walk further but I don't think they are going to be sitting for too long. Also the idea of having people wait was only one option that a bishop would have to agree to, the primary option was to have them use a nongendered single person restroom which are also usually common in church buildings. I would hope that bishops would not go with allowing them to turn the bathroom into a single person bathroom if there is only one women's room in a building.
I did think of that too- of how many times I had to take little ones to the restroom who barely made it in time. But what else can be done? Probably 99% of our church buildings were not made to accommodate with individual bathrooms. But there have been times where I have been bleeding heavily and to not be able to get into the bathroom would have been...
@@scottbowers6016 Not sure where you have been to church, but in my experience up and down the Eastern US, only the newest (1990s +) or largest buildings have more than one bathroom for any given sex.
When a man enters our space, it's no longer space for women. We are losing our spaces. They ARE NOT women. Ever. Dave and Peter and Kevin can dress anyway they want, call themselves Gemma, but when it affects women and girls. It's NO!!!!!!
"Just change" - You're right, telling someone to "just change" is counter to being helpful or compassionate. That said, change IS possible, and much of today's rhetoric ("assigned gender at birth", etc) is designed to make you believe that these things just ARE and that change should not be expected, condoned, or even believed possible. I became gay later in life - in my late 20s/early 30s while I was at BYU. I rejected the identity, and I believed that change WAS possible. It's a longer story, but it took a full year and many pains, trials, prayers, and difficulties (without "professional" help, but with the help of my Savior), but I changed! It's been years since then, and I do not have the thoughts and urges I once did. Change IS possible through the gospel, and I don't think we do anyone any favors by shying away from that fact. It just needs to be done in the right way and with both truth and compassion.
Woman = adult human female. Girl = juvenile human female. Man = adult human male. Boy = juvenile human male. To change the meaning of these terms will have ramifications in all sorts of legal matters and government policies.
This is the best news I've heard in a long time. I'm so excited to hear that the church has made this clear. To many latter day saints fall pray to wokeness. Thanks for the update!
for mstarters God is not the author of confusion Thank you Greg for speaking out on this we see that the family proclamation was truly a inspired prophetic message for our day We have to stand on truth alone and never align with any other ideology or we will be “ Running to and fro with every whim of doctrine “
The final point of the addendum to assist leaders in dealing with this issue that cites the use of bathrooms and possible local options is not acceptable. At no time should a bathroom be compromised so that someone that is not of the biological sex indicated can introduced to it for approved use. Let them use the facility of their biological sex with a trusted individual watching for them if they must, but never compromise the dignity of those who adhrere to their God given gender.
I agree. No point to humoring them on this point when they already won't have anyone in the bathroom with them at the time. Just make them use the correct bathroom.
Some ward buildings (I’m thinking of my old ward building in St. Louis) have a disability/family/non-gendered bathroom to sidestep this potential legal problem to keep everyone safe.
Not to mention the uncleanliness and unsanitary issues of this appeasement. Can you imagine some man in a dress standing up and messing all over the seat that some little girl would have to sit on??? You would have to constantly be sanitizing the restroom and worrying about "things". Blech!
The world has gone completely insane!!!! The Proclamation warned us 20 years ago. Here we are. The saints will continue to be the focus of discussion on NOT budging on truth. Whatever backlash comes, so be it. I'd rather tell the truth and be hated than lie to be "nice".
It's been a moment, in one of the earlier conference talks in Gospel Library the prophet warned the members to aware of the wolves in sheeps clothing in the church. They were warned that it would be difficult to see these individuals because they are clothed in the robes of the priesthood. If I can find the talk ill try to post it in this comment section or in a comment section in another video. There's a limit to tolerance. We should have zero room for the tolerance of sin. Christ never tolerated sin, but he did tolerate those trying to overcome sin, and tolerated those struggling with sin, but he never approved the sin or the act of sinning.
That's the key point: Christ loved the sinner, but the expectation was that they were working to overcome their sins. Not to glory in those sins, and make Christ change His gospel.
If my bishop would have stood up and said to use preferred pronouns, I would have gotten up and walked out right then and there. I would have looked him in the eye so that he knew why I was leaving.
I feel like this is somewhat ironic, given that we are covering the whole interchange between Moroni falsely accusing and Pahoran this week in the LDS curriculum. I wish more members understood the core pieces of this story, and it would help us get a sense of what it really means to be committed to building Zion during trying times, with imperfect people. 1) Moroni prayed and got a response from the Lord (he can march on the capital if they don't provide resources) 2) Moroni, out of ignorance, incorrectly applied his answer to Pahoran, assuming that Pahoran was in charge of the capital 3) Despite being directly attack, and Moroni being in the wrong, Pahoran doesn't try to force Moroni to apologize. He identifies their shared concerns (worried about marching on the capital) and highlights to the true that they can both build on. We don't need to imagine situations where we get to stick it to the bishop, and almost certainly, if we are fantasizing about that, our heart is not in the right place. The best first step would be to go to the bishop in person, highlight your shared concern: that there is someone who wants to join the church who is going to have a difficult time. Look for ways you can prepare for them to find joy in the gospel as embodied by Jesus and taught by prophets, rather than trying to water down and twist doctrines to make the gospel "easy." The gospel is supposed to be simple, but it is not supposed to be "easy".
@@AlecSorensenSo what's your point. No the gospel isn't supposed to be easy. We are to repent and become Christlike. We all have trials and different obstacles on our path. Gender dysphoria is no different.
Postmodernism is a philosophy. A philosophy imbued with a moral imperative (critical theory) is an ideology. An ideology systematically propagated (woke) is a religion. The free exercise of my religion allows me the prerogative to freely reject the performative exercises of another religion that is not my own. According to the religion of woke, I am constrained to profess things that I believe are lies. I celebrate the leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for definitively rejecting the incursion of the invasive religion, born of a competing ideology, spawned in turn by the most anti-human philosophy man kind has ever produced. Let it be known that the shadow of the combination is upon us.
I have posted on a couple of occasions when I have disagreed with your interpretations of certain things. On this particular occasion I completely agree. My reason for adding comments are not so much for religious purposes but to make people aware of the science that applies. Anyone can look this up themselves but the region of the human brain that handles preferences is possible in multiple places: The dorsomedial prefrontal cortex, left dorsolateral prefrontal cortex, precuneus, ventromedial prefrontal cortex and the posterior medial frontal cortex. All which are parts of the anterior cingulate cortex. This means two things. One is that preferences (including sexual preferences) are learned or acquired behaviors. The other very critical element is that this part of the human brain is not completely developed until the age of 25. Obviously, children being taught preferences that are contrary to their genetic sex is a type and form of abuse by defination.
I had a thought today about using "preferred pronouns" with regards to last week's Come Follow Me lesson. With regards to Lehonti leaving his stronghold to parley with Amalickiah. The moment he conceded to the smallest of his enticing, Amalickiah was able to post a win. Is using people's preferred pronouns one such small concession?
I made a similar connection. Lehonti and his men had earlier made a covenant to capt Moroni to lay down their weapons (some of them at least). They were lured away from safety and convinced to break their covenants. Whereas Helamen wouldn't allow the people of Ammon to break their covenants, even at risk to his own safety / life.
I am so thankful for this program. Amen to the level-headed, intelligent testimony based folks who are out there creating sound discussions about such matters.
Well said Greg! So many of our brothers and sisters who experience gender dysphoria need our love and charity. I believe we can minister to and love them, and also stay true to the doctrine of Jesus Christ at the same time. I will not change my language to others "preferred pronouns" because it is not truth. I have chosen to refer to those individuals by their name of choice, and am leaving pronouns out of it. This occurs mostly when I am surrounded by those sensitive to the situation. All of our children need to be protected, and allowing transgender individuals in the congregation to serve in areas that are gender specific is simply not okay. Not because they are predators, but because it isn't appropriate (as you stated). Thank you for taking the time to put this together, and for speaking truth!
I really needed the Church to do this. Im so thankful they did. I’m a recent convert and I often wonder why our leaders are silent on the absolute insanity happening with this topic. Taking a firm stance is important. I hope there is more of this to come.. on other issues that affect us all. ❤
There will be more of it to come. Seems like as the very vocal minority screeching about changes gets louder, the doctrine will be pushed at the forefront in answer to it. The Family Proclamation has always been my go to for this stuff
I am so thankful to hear these policies covered so specifically in the church handbook. They covered all the areas I was having concerns about. So thankful they put this out there. And I would gladly be the designated bathroom guard for any transgender members of our ward if they need one. ❤️🙏🏻
@@Jeanie-nv7loIt's unfair to call them apostate though. We need to give grace and see them as confused but they are trying to help the 1. It's easy to make this mistake. Jesus commands we gather all of Israel and He will sift them. There is sifting on all sides right now. Both heaven and hell are shaking.
Sooo glad you covered these topics and issues. Converting and joining the church was so important to me because of where they stood their grounds! Consistency in our church is critical.
When I was a boy, Elder Robert Harbertson gave an address at a priesthood commemoration fireside. He told a story about an indian boy who was on a spiritual quest. He climbed a mountain and near the top he found a rattlesnake freezing in the cold. The snake convinced the boy that if he saved the snake, the snake would be grateful and not harm him. The boy, filled with compassion, carefully brought the snake to the bottom of the mountain and set him on the ground. The rattlesnake promptly bit the boy, leaving him in a fight for his life. "You promised that you wouldn't bite me" the boys said. "You knew what I was when you picked me up" answered the snake. I'm afraid that the church is picking up snakes with it's support of the LQBTQ community.
Greg, I love the way you affirm absolute truth so clearly. Yes, the Proclamation on the Family is pure doctrine of unchanging truth. I love it and it guides my life decisions.
Why would you be embarrassed? I am an Eagle Scout and I am proud of it. Have some self confidence and conviction in what you did and accomplished in the BSA program. You are letting other people dictate your life.
My son and his wife live on a boat in the Emeryville Marina. They chose to go to the Berkeley ward because it was geographically closest to their boat. Their boat Marina is not in any word boundaries. So they can basically choose their ward, especially as they move their boat from one Marina to another. After having attended the Berkeley ward for about two years. One child is 13 years old just started passing the sacrament a year ago and the other is a daughter still in primary not baptized under eight years old. My daughter-in-law would come home from church every Sunday, not uplifted. In their bishopric, they are not only had the bishop and two counselors, but they had two female counselors who were rather butch looking. The previous state president went along with this nonsense. They would have people bearing their testimonies that weren’t really testimonies of the gospel of Jesus Christ, that of their personal gender and their gender confusion.(that’s what you get when you’re in a Berkeley ward with all the berserkly people.) They have made the decision to move their records and go to one of the wards that is an English-speaking ward that meets in the Oakland interstate center on the Temple grounds. The retention rate in the Berkeley ward for youth is zero. My son wants his son to go on a mission and to be sealed in the temple and they feel that they are not gonna get that , having their children go to the Berkeley ward. They need to go to a family ward that has people with their head on straight.
I already pulled my kids out of 2nd hour because of these issues but even more so because of the white shaming going on! We go to Sacrament meeting then we go home and have 2nd hour as a family.
Utah! I never imagined it would be like this where I live. I live in an area that has grown very quickly and the people moving here are very different from the people originally from here! It has been a huge challenge to my faith.
I was a single mother, but I was a dang good one, so I KNOW when the “single mother statistics” come out in an argument, I don’t get upset…because that wasn’t me, but it’s still true for society.
@@thomasmaughan4798 Jude 1:4-5 Certain men creep in unawares to turn the grace of God into lasciviousness. Jude 1:7 going after strange flesh Jude 1:8 filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. Jude 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone the way of Cane (seeking after own passion avoiding accountability) Jude 1:12 trees whose fruit withereth...twice dead, plucked up by the roots. Not once did Christ ever condone (affirm) sin. He and his prophets condemned it throughout scripture.
I’m gay and wish I could not hide in thenchurch but would be horrified and fear the doctrine changing to align with the world. It would feel like the end of the world if I couldn’t could on the comfort of the eternal principles.
Yes, indeed. The cozying up to that "community" and welcoming that into the church, in an effort to be "tolerant" and "inclusive", those Marxist Word Salad lies, is indeed coming home to roost. That camel is totally in the tent, romping up and down, and stomping on doctrine at every turn, but like you said, it was invited in.
You mentioned something about men and woman living together unmarried, and not being able to attend the temple. I think it should be clarified that it’s not the “living” together as much as it is the inappropriate sexual behavior outside of a marriage that has been ordained between a man and a woman alone. Because I know many that are divorced, and cannot afford to move out of their home and are living as roommates and still have their temple recocomends.
@elizabethc5133 I concur. My sister is divorced and bought her home after she was divorced. Her ex-husband, who is a long-haul trucker, has been going through cancer treatments and other surgeries. She fixed up a room in her basement for him to stay in. They get along and he helps her financially. She is endowed. He was excommunicated years ago. There is nothing inappropriate going on.
Before I saw your TH-cam today, I read a conference talk from April 1973 by Elder Ezra Taft Benson talking about the down fall of Rome which follows what you’re saying.
This more detailed policy is good. Many of us understood it before, but some didn't and need more detailed clarity to get it. For example, some wards were welcoming trannies into Relief Society. The Handbook update seems respectful and compassionate. I'm not sure if I feel comfortable with a man in the women's restroom though. He'd better cleanup after himself. And if I really have to go, I think it would be rude to make me wait while a confused man gets the privilege of having the whole place to himself, doing his business in the ladies' room. They should kick him out. There might be a little girl who has to go, a pregnant woman, or a middle woman who needs to go. We don't have single occupancy bathrooms in our building. Women should havd first priority to use the women's restroom.
"I'm not sure if I feel comfortable with a man in the women's restroom though. He'd better cleanup after himself." For what its worth, I always sit. I was a bachelor for much of my adult life and always cleaned up after myself and it is a lot easier when not spraying all over the place.
28:58 I'm sorry, but I don't agree with this. I don't care how much one looks like the other gender they're transitioning to; to look the other way and pretend it's OK for them to use that restroom is still wrong, even having someone be a door-watch. No. Have them use a single user restroom or unoccupied family restroom, but not gender-specific restrooms. This ought to be stricter
I agree with you, but our meetinghouse has no single bathrooms( family restroom).We only have mens rooms and women's rooms so a trans person has to use one or the other.
@@stevehumble8865 1. Does your building have a single-user "family" restroom? Most buildings I've been in do. 2. I think, if not, this needs to be specified as the exception - that, in the exceptional case that the building doesn't have a single-user restroom, only then would this be the protocol.
I, as a Bishop have just loved this episode! The clarity these changes bring and the commentary that solidifies that are so needed. My ward just instituted the Young Women as providers of Sacrament bread, usually baking it themselves. This has been a wonderful opportunity for the Young Women to make an important contribution to the Sacrament Meetinng. They also took over as Ward Choristers, rotating each week. The Youth are the Bishops Greatest Responsibility and I feel the Greatest advantage in fighting the war againsed darkness. Let's stand up and support them in this, let us raise up a Title of Liberty!
This shouldn't require clarification. If you have a basic understanding of the doctrine, then the church's stance on such matters would already be extremely clear. It's pretty simple, and highly focused on the structure of family. Things that undermine the foundation of a traditional family are against church doctrine. Hinkley outlined this clearly in 1995 "The Family: A proclamation to the world" in which, he over simplified the entire foundation of the church into a single document, so there would be no mistake where the church stands, and he did it a decade before any of this became mainstream.
@lifetaketwo7662....Respectfully disagreeing and lovingly standing up for what we believe is not hate. It's having integrity and holding to our values. I understand it can FEEL like hate to the other person, but we should all have respect for other people disagreeing with us without correlating it with assumed hate that is very often incorrect. Objective truth can feel threatening and offensive and hateful when we don't want to hear it or when we aren't living by it or when it conflicts with our inner beliefs that may not be accurate or healthy. It feels that way as a clue to us that something can change inside us to better align with objective truth so we don't feel those ways about the truth anymore and come to crave learning more truth. But if treatment toward someone is still kind and caring, then disagreeing doesn't mean they hate them. That's an incorrect beliefs and assumption inside the person feeling offended that they alone can change and see a broader perspective.
As always, we should pray for those of our brothers and sisters that are struggling with this. I think it is very good practice not to put them in certain callings.
FINALLY! FINALLY! FINALLY! Clear, precise messaging and direction 🙏. If you disagree, please, PLEASE use your agency and go to another church! No one is forcing anyONE to stay in the LDS faith. Agency is real. Follow the covenant path, or choose a different one. NO need to complain or get hurt. CHOOSE.
@@mikegillettify "I’d rather counsel them to use their agency and relationship with God to find the truth of this and to follow the guidance of the prophets." He's probably thinking of the Wheat and Tares blog. I think the Wheat departed long ago. Nehors and Korihors are abundant. I suppose it might matter where one is; in "happy valley" it is unlikely many people exist that have not already chosen their path.
@@thomasmaughan4798 I’m not familiar with the Wheat and Tares blog; but I can tell you that very few people will ever get to a point where we are allowed to just give up on them. A few weeks ago we read in Alma about the Sons of Mosiah being laughed to scorn about ministering to the Lamanites. They were told that the Lamanites needed to be wiped off the face of the earth not preached to (Alma 26:23-32). In a few months we will read Mormon’s letter to Moroni about the people who seem to him to be all the way off the path but that their responsibility is to continually preach repentance to them (MNI 9:6)
@@mikegillettify You illustrate a tension that has always existed; lumped under justice versus mercy. Mercy cannot rob justice; and yet mercy exists. That is because of the atonement. Justice is satisifed AND so is mercy. But to take advantage of the atonement, a person must accept Jesus Christ AND repent; this transfers sin, guilt and shame and you can go forward BUT to continue in sin negates the atonement for such person that continues in sin. You are lumping Lamanites collectively with specific Lamanites. Alma gives Korihor an opportunity to repent; but Korihor does not repent. The Nehor's are worse; there was no success preaching to the Nehors. That kind is the apostates. Korihor was an anti-Christ but never a member of the church. Nehors are also anti-Christ but they were apostates; they had knowledge and rebelled against it. Sure you can try to preach to them, but you need to be VERY strong in your faith and knowledge to go against that kind. Modern versions of a Nehor is John Dehlin or Denver Snuffer of the "remnant". They have a great deal of knowledge and are very cunning; they seek to destroy the church of God by infiltrating it. Basically any TH-cam channel that contains "Mormon" [Nemo the Mormon; Mormon Stories] is actually "anti" usually of the steady-the-ark kind of reformism which, in this context, also destroys what the church IS and that, in my opinion, is the ultimate goal. All of these anti's could easily start their own church, go away and be happy. But that is not what they want. This kind wants to destroy YOUR happiness. Anglican and Episcopalian are examples. They stand for nothing since they fall for anything. They are weak. Conversely, the strongest most inflexible Abrahamic religion is Islam. Not many people even attempt to "reform" Islam and live to tell about it. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints leans in that direction of unchanging doctrine BUT having a prophet and apostles CAN occasionally change a doctrine that is not central to the plan of salvation. As it happens, Adam and Eve and human reproduction IS central to God's plan. It is incredibly unlikely this will ever change.
What? I thought doctors and nurses flipped a coin and then *assigned* you at birth. Of course now you'd need one of those D&D 58 sided dice to assign something to a newborn.
I am in a part member family and before I began an endowed member my husband was asked to write a letter stating that he didn't have a problem with me getting endowed. This policy is not to keep me out of the temple but because the church doesn't want to break up my marriage.
22:50 it’s not even a case of that it’s inappropriate, it’s been a too big of a risk for the children. And trans people should be first to stand up and say they care about children safety from situation like this that people would abuse them. Do they not care about the children?
Thank you for this video. I can't imagine the trials the church will be facing in the future trying to follow our Heavenly Father's plan and having the powers that be following another. I pray for the inspiration and safety of our beloved leaders.
I wish you would prioritize the actual handbook & church policy over the Trib's predictable response. I recognize that, in spite of the fact that they are a trash rag and not serious news, who seem to exist to publush hit pieces on the Church, there is value in addressing their 'argumemts': apologetics is an important activity. But dealing with the objections before going over the policy seems backwards. This was the first I'd heard of the update --and finding out what's in it is, to me, far more interesting than a discussion of the Trib's latest antics in their self-appointed role as an anti-Christ.
@@CwicShow Like I said: there's a place for apologetics. I don't have an issue with going through the thing line-by-line; sometimes that's needed, and you did a nice job of showing how off-base they are. I just think it's better practice to put truth out there first, before you start exposing lies.
Why must the many and normal accommodate the few and abnormal? Why not the other way around? Are the abnormal exempt from being Christ-like and from loving others enough to consider their feelings and sensibilities? Why should the normal always yield? Answer: virtue signaling
@paulgilchrist808 All for that, but if the one wants to join or re-join the fold, there are some requirements. The shepherd brings the one back into the fold. He doesn't take the 99 into the wilderness to hang out with the one so it will be comfortable there.
In General Conference when President oaks said the purpose of the church is to teach Celestial law. Things finally clicked in my brain why the church has to take the stand they do. You can learn how to live a decent good life from plenty of sources. The church is the only place where you learn how to live in a celestial way. It can’t be changed otherwise the church is no different than a well meaning influencer sharing life platitudes.
sinful actions that harm our ability to gain the celestial kingdom relegate anyone to a second class citizen eternally. That's why there is a terrestrial and a telestial kindgom. DC 76: 109-112 109 But behold, and lo, we saw the glory and the inhabitants of the telestial world, that they were as innumerable as the stars in the firmament of heaven, or as the sand upon the seashore; 110 And heard the voice of the Lord saying: These all shall bow the knee, and every tongue shall confess to him who sits upon the throne forever and ever; 111 For they shall be judged according to their works, and every man shall receive according to his own works, his own dominion, in the mansions which are prepared; 112 And they shall be servants of the Most High; but where God and Christ dwell they cannot come, worlds without end. Alma 34:34-35 34 Ye cannot say, when ye are brought to that awful crisis, that I will repent, that I will return to my God. Nay, ye cannot say this; for that same spirit which doth possess your bodies at the time that ye go out of this life, that same spirit will have power to possess your body in that eternal world. 35 For behold, if ye have procrastinated the day of your repentance even until death, behold, ye have become subjected to the spirit of the devil, and he doth seal you his; therefore, the Spirit of the Lord hath withdrawn from you, and hath no place in you, and the devil hath all power over you; and this is the final state of the wicked.
If there are the degrees of glory and you insist on telling God He is WRONG, and He made a mistake in your creation... you will make yourself a lower degree glory "citizen". You cannot make yourself above Him, defiant of Him, and pretend you submit to Him as your God. Better to come to terms of this hard reality now than as you stand before God. Unprepared and defiant. There is no kindness in sending them ignorantly to that terror. That is not love. That is cowardice. Christlike love is honest.
If l choose to join a religious group, l also choose to demonstrate l am committed to their doctrine. If l pass the entrance interview after striving to change myself to match their requirements, l can be granted membership in that organization. Then l must live the rest of my life to show how converted l am to God.
Here are the pronouns: I, me, my, mine You, you, your, yours Thou, thee, thine He, him, his She, her, hers It, its We, our, ours You, you, your, yours Ye, you, your, yours They, them, theirs Anything beyond that is falsehood and of the Devil.
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First church that i know that is truly trying to protect our children. God bless the LDS church and their members. Finally there are more people who understand truth.
My wife is getting baptized this Sunday in an LDS church. I support her and read scripture with her. I may be converting myself someday. This new information is definitely steering me towards the church.
I watch your content along with a few other lds channels.
We live in western new york an hour from Palmyra and i just learned of your religion 3 years ago. But i do like what i have learned and i definitely like the church now protecting the members from having to concede their beliefs due to someones feelings.
Googly street view shows what triggered Joseph Smith, affectionately known as "Confusion Corners" four rival churches at the center of Palmyra; each occupying a corner.
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His question to God was which one of these four to join and the answer was "none of them".
The question still exists for a great many people.
@steveangora7839 I'm so happy that your wife is getting baptized and that you are a true seeker of truth as well. I am from rural NY and the missionaries came to our house in 1970. My life was changed forever! I am so thankful for my membership in the church. Bless you as you continue to study and learn
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Thank you and God Bless.
Study the scriptures and pray that you too may gain a testimony of the restored Gospel of Jesus Christ, gaining that testimony and receiving the true ordinances of salvation is the single, most important thing you will ever do in your life, witch will have immense positive and eternal consequences for yourself and your loved ones. May the Spirit of God enlighten you and guide you to the truth.
Yeah Steve! Blessings for you and family.
I am one of those anomalies. I am XXY, better known as Multiple Chromosomal Disorder or Klinefelter's Syndrome. For all intensive purposes though I am male. That is what the 'Y' chromosome does. I am a man, just with some extra bits thrown in. The extra 'X' does give me some female traits, like my hormones going nuts once a month, which synced up with my wife's own monthly cycles too and now that I am older I'm going through Menopause. Hot flashes suck by the way. I am very much looking forward to the resurrection when I can have a wonderful normal celestial body!
Really appreciate you sharing!
I was recently in a leadership training meeting with a regional rep from LDS Family Services discussing LGBTQ issues. She made an awesome comment, which I wrote down: “The Spirit testifies of TRUTH not of political correctness and it does not tip toe around the issues. If you find yourself tip toeing around the issues you are not following the Spirit.” Love that these updates in the handbook are not tip toeing around these issues anymore. We must live based on truth. While listening to the discussion of the difficulty and awkwardness for 1 individual who doesn’t live according to his/her sex, I couldn’t help but think of this line from 1 Nephi: “it is better that one man should perish than an entire nation dwindle and perish in unbelief.”
Thank you for your commitment. I agree
Jacob 4:13
@@eltoro9446 exactly! Also D&C 93
don't hire LGBT+ people and issues just VANISH.
they can have jobs in entertainment and hospitality thats where they domnate why do they need jobs in any other field that doesn't need attention seeking or validation.
@@yellowhumpy14 ah yes, the scripture that justifies murder in the name of religious beliefs
Well said, Greg, and you're right, the Young Women to be the greeters is good. Also, as an adult convert myself years ago, I didn't get baptized and become a member of the true Church, to decide one day that I want The Church to change doctrine or even policies, to accommodate me. I joined The Church, to follow Christ and do what He wants me to do and become who He wants me to be, NOT for The Church to follow me or do what I want.
I agree with you completely! For me, a lot of the changes are discomforting.
@@douglasdoyle1027 Some are born into it and forced into the church and its teachings. This I consider child abuse.
@@reppi8742 Thanks. The part that surprised me was that one who feels a different gender than they are biologically, can still use the bathroom of the opposite gender. Even with a 'trusted' person to make sure no one else uses it at the same time, that means other people that are of the appropriate gender for that particular restroom have to wait in the hallway, or they are forced to use the other appropriate restroom on the other side of the building. @CWICShow hasn't responded to my original comments, which I'd like to get his response. What I was trying to say - not very well - in my original comment, was that as a convert years ago, I trusted The Church would not give-in to the ways of the world. I joined to follow a higher law - of Christ - not the world's ways...
Each ward might take into consideration the individual young woman's concerns and social aspects of participation as a greeter.
I have no problem loving people who are different, however, I don't have to change my "culture" to align with the latest social media and non science based assignments. There are absolutely some physical and biological anomalies that require a different approach, however, 99.9% are absolutely biologically specific. Stick to the family model. You can go to Sodom and call people what they wished to be called if that is your inclination, but in a Temple of God, you cannot. Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion are "nice" tools that Satan uses to break down that which God has deemed sacred, the family. I was really disappointed that the church did not take a stronger stance during the so called "pandemic". Be cautious for sure, but don't feed into the plans of satan which lead to destruction. Remember, we are to overcome the Natural Man, not accommodate it. Thanks for standing up for those values.
I left the church many years ago - however the identity politics makes me want to return just to support traditional values.
Come back brother. You’ll be happier here and we need someone like you to help with the fight.
Also do you have any family that come from Malad Idaho?
Do it!
Regarding restrictions on temple covenants, they say "relegating them to second-class citizens." We should say, "Prevent them from making covenants they can't/won't keep."
Exactly!!!
For years being the prodigal son, I was encumbered with sin, but because I always believed in the Gospel, I chose to never make any covenants in the temple that I might break- beyond the hypocrisy of going to the temple to begin with. That foresight was given to me by Heavenly Father. May He have that glory.
Exactly.. if you plan to not live the law of obedience, we don't want to be party to you making that covenant in vain.
Heaven has boundaries. Hell has open borders.
All three kingdoms of glory have boundaries. By laws that govern them. Every level in each kingdom is also governed by boundaries by laws.
@@donaldjones9830 And there are blessing predicated on each of those governing laws. Not abiding those laws limits the freedom we each choose for ourself.
@@jillosborn6886Jesus fulfilled the law.
Now, all the laws fall into just 2 commandments. How are YOU doing on those 2 commandments? I know I have some work to do. By reading 99% of the comments by people proclaiming from their lips to be His followers, I think they have some work to do as well.
@TureRealD Asking ourselves how we are doing in those 2 areas is vital, but I find it even more productive to ask Heavenly Father for feedback in those areas. I don't think we need to report those things to each other. We each only have control over our own thoughts, feelings, and actions and we are accountable to God for those. I am sorry if something I chose to say influenced you in an unpleasant way. That was surely not my intent. I was just trying to make a point that God's plan is a plan of order, not a free for all.
@@jillosborn6886 I agree with everything you've said.
I would clarify, I'm not asking you or anyone to report to me. You are only accountable to Christ.
However, we should proclaim the joy and freedom we feel from abiding the 2 great commandments and share testimonies and stories about how we accomplished that in our own lives.
Instead, I find many of us (myself too often as well), spending most of our condemning others for their adherence to those 2 great commandments.
This is why I invited you or anyone else to turn inward first but not to "report" to me.
"Real love for the sinner may compel courageous confrontation-not acquiescence! Real love does not support self-destructing behavior." - Russell M Nelson
Strongly recommend reading President Nelson's "Teach us Tolerance & Love" general conference talk in which he warns of taking tolerance too far.
Truth.
Love those statements!
Preach!
More and more I am seeing the need for the constant relationship with the Holy Ghost. How could I get through any of this with out Him. Once again President Nelson is right or better put, the evidence of following the constant guidance of the Holy Ghost is seen the President Nelson's actions.
If the church doesn't know the reason why people are transgender, how can they consider it a "sin"? Do they actually call it a "sin", or are those your words?
I was just called to our Stake Primary Presidency....I never in a million years thought we would be facing anything like this. God Bless and protect our little ones!
What’s crazy is I was at our Stakes YM’s camp out a couple of weeks ago, and was talking with other leaders from other Wards and the trans issue came up, and one of the Bishop’s tried telling me that The Church has no official position on the matter. Then there’s our previous YW’s President that is a full on “Ally”, and could have been considered to have been encouraging it. My daughter told me that at one point the YW’s President asked her if she had a boyfriend (this was when my daughter was 13😡), and when my daughter told her no the YWP then asked oh maybe a “girlfriend” then😡😡😡😡😡. I asked my daughter why she didn’t tell me back when it happened, and she told me she didn’t think anything of it at the time🤦🏼♂️. After the YWP was released we had a bit of a mess to clean up since a couple of our YW were in same sex relationships, and one was openly telling people she was a guy at the YW activities. One of the situations we had to address involved one of the YW at a ward activity engaging in PDA with her girlfriend.
I'm in a Primary Presidency. I feel for the other counselor. Her daughter is in a same-sex marriage and is transitioning to be a man. They come to church when they visit and the daughter-in-law seems to like it. She has children from a previous marriage. One is about two years old and they dress her like a boy for some reason.
@@JCole78 hearing stories, like this, makes me sick, 🤮 A leader in our stake wears a gay flag pin on his suit coat lapel. There’s no American flag pin. There’s no prisoner of war Pin there’s no American flag policeman Pin, just a gay flag pin.
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I'm starting to think that certain callings are going to need to come with a concealed carry permit and a body cam in certain places.
I'm an atheist. I go to LDS church every sunday. The clarity that the church has about what men and what women are resonates with me, even if I don't share the same literal beliefs about the nature of divinity.
It is shameful how the left has latched on to the trans movement to mutilate, sterilize, and destroy young same sex attracted people. I used to mistakenly believe that the religious and faithful were ignorant, or bigoted, or misguided - I now clearly recognize that more important than any disagreements I might have with them on doctrine or dogma, are the agreements that I have with them on morality.
The secular left has become demonic.
How can you be an atheist and believe in the demonic side? Confused.
@@nataliemitchell9219 Metaphor. Even if stories of demons aren't literally true, that narrative speaks of an objectively evil perspective that has been embraced by all too many in the secular left.
I believe that transcendent moral truths can be revealed by fiction. So, whether or not the gospels are fictional or not, I can still appreciate the moral truths they reveal - which, ultimately, I think is the most important part about them.
@@JereKrischelwould you please try listening to a podcast? You seem curious and eager to learn so I recommend you try The Ancient Tradition podcast and see how you feel and reason in your mind. Pay attention to what resonates. I think you will be fascinated and open your eyes to so much you never knew was available. 😊
@@tiffanyseavy565 Interesting podcast - I'm not sure if we can exclude parallel development of similar traditions. It's possible that there is a single original tradition, but it's also possible that there are fundamental universal truths, and people who pursue a path to discover those truths can discover them independently.
If you imagine, for example, Leibniz and Newton - did they both get calculus from some original source, or did they make their discoveries independently?
If I was going to posit an ancient original theological tradition, I might imagine that they knew it as metaphor, but over time, it was transmitted as literal :)
Who knows, maybe my metaphorical mormonism is an echo of the original ancient metaphorical religious tradition about a metaphorical god :)
Hey! Welcome; good to know you're out there, somewhere!❤
Our VERY last Sunday in our old ward in Albuquerque, a woman came to church with her 15 year old son dressed like a girl, and an actual daughter. The mother introduced herself during Relief Society, and said that they were moving from El Paso, Texas. She railed against her previous Bishop, speaking about how unloving and intolerant he was for not allowing her son to go to Young Women and said that she was looking for a ward where the bishop would allow it. On our way home from church that day, my husband and I, despite how much we hated leaving that ward and leaving Albuquerque, both breathed sighs of relief that it was our last Sunday. My husband was in the bishopric, And would’ve had to deal with that. Our daughters had already graduated from young women, but we both said almost the exact same thing at the same time. We would NOT allow our daughters to go to a young women class where a boy was permitted to attend. We’d go to church, attend sacrament meeting, Ward activities, etc., and we would teach young women to our daughters at home - probably with several other young women and their parents who ALSO would have pulled their daughters out.
We kept in contact with friends in the ward, and learned that the bishop did not allow the boy to go to young women, and the family had moved on to searching other wards.
I have a friend that had to pull his kids out of primary because of the way their ward was doing it. Now he and his wife are being judged as “inactive” because they go to sacrament and then they go home. But at home they spend the whole day devoted to teaching them the gospel and spending time as a family. TBH I would do the same if I were in that situation.
We ran into a similar situation with our family.
@@cjolley3341 don’t think for a minute this mean the gospel isn’t true. Remember the church is perfect but the members are not. We go to church each week to be “healed” and to feel the spirit.
@@brentsampson3114 The Gospel is perfect, the people and thus the Church are not.
Persecution is a real part of being a Christian.
Sadly we must ALSO be very careful as members not to judge others.
Time stamp 31:35. You can show all the compassion in the world to a large portion of the LGBTQ+ community, but unless you advocate for them they will reject your compassion and revile you as a hater.
There is a mixed response.
@@CwicShowA mixed bag would seem to mean a goodly number of LGBTQ+ persons who aren’t in your face about their lifestyle, but I do believe it’s a small minority. For example, I follow Dennis Schleicher who was gay and baptized by Sister Missionaries I served with in the Massachusetts Boston Mission. Dennis has thus far, by his various posting, shown he has really accepted the gospel and rejected his previous lifestyle, Dennis is highly compassionate and definitely not a hater but does not advocate , to my knowledge that the Church allow gay marriage in the temple. Dennis seems to be a rare exception and possibly Ben Shalot too, but I know less about him. I think you are the best out there on explaining these difficult Church issues. Could you do a video justifying President Oaks saying it’s ok to vote for democrats. My wife stopped attending Church to a large degree after the Oaks talk in General Conference. She has talked to the Bishop about her concern with Oaks but the Bishop isn’t the kind of person who knows how to articulate difficult and nuanced doctrinal issues. You seem to have that rare ability.
@@richardallen383 Has she read/listened to the other 99.99% of things he has taught ?
@@rebekahcrook226 Thank you for your kind comment. I have pointed that out to her but when you have close family members who have transitioned the 00.01 percent comment that seems out of character is especially stinging when that family members life is spiraling out of control. I’ve been told that out of the 15 apostles a few were active democrats or supportive of them. Oaks was staunch democrat before full time Church service . Uchtdorf donated to the extremely progressive Raphael Warnock. I was also informed Renlund was a Democrat. When 63 million innocent lives have been taken through what democrats call reproductive justice since Roe V Wade and then you get temple record question #7 which says “Do you support or promote any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?” and democrats support, teach and practice abortion, transitioning, and gay marriage, doctrines in direct conflict with the teachings of the LDS Church, how can you so no to that question if you vote for a democrat? Clearly each person who votes for a democrat gives the Democratic Party strength, and that strengthens the support for and practice of abortion. Abortion, gender transitioning, and gay marriage are the most critical wedge issues of our day which satan uses to attack the church by using democrats to call all those who are against those issues, haters and bigots. For me, no matter what Oaks says, I’ll never no never, I’ll never no never, I’ll never no never ,no never forsake.
@@richardallen383I think we should be more humble. If that many prophets and apostles can find worthy things in the Democrat party than what are WE missing? I find that both parties are corrupt and greedy for power. I abhor abortion too but perhaps it is God's will for all to use their agency without restraint in the coming days. Perhaps we have to lose battles to win the war. Perhaps there is something more sinister going on with the Republican party than we can fathom. I often wonder what "flattering words" were used in the book of Mormon to persuade the people into destruction. I can see flattering words used by all our politicians. It's hard to discern but I believe as we strive to stay humble and follow the commandments we will shake out ok. We should be most weary of the SIFTING taking place on all sides. Every one feels like they have a right to be offended and cut off whatever relationship doesn't serve them. It's a dangerous doctrine.
“Hope in Christ, not hope in change!” …amen
Has that been a yearly youth them yet? It should, lol.
@@MommaCrissa”Hope and Change” 46:36 was Obama’s theme.
Interesting that it sounds eerily similar to “Hope in. Christ.”
The adversary always seems to twist things just enough to make earthlings think his ways are Christ’s ways.
NO NO NO!!! Our Heavenly Father wouldn't even condone to this!! We are who we are when we receive our body!! We are who we were in the pre existence!! 😢
@@3-jalee yes, please note the difference between the salt lake tribune and the church policy.
The church IS defending the standard of God.
yes Heavenly Father did not make mistakes when creating His childrens sex
The church is weak. Why is it so hard to grasp that?
"NO NO NO!!!"
God's will
@@3-jalee Did you watch the video? Your response implies you only read the header.
I look forward to the day when the Lord returns and reigns as King. Then, all of this nonsense will be no more. I enjoy listening to your thoughts, Greg. Your faith is strong.
I was in Ward Council about 7 years ago, and we had a Trans person in our ward. I was the one who said we shouldn't let him use the women's bathroom, and I was metaphorically burnt at the stake.
I told everyone they should read the proclamation to the family again.
I'm also of the opinion that the doctrine of Christ's church won't change, so if you have a problem with it, then leave the church. The Lord's church will function fine without those individuals.
Absolutely , stand our ground 100% .
@@yeti1002yes stand your ground and prepare for a second assault wave!
The doctrine has changed though...quite a few times.
@@MaryMartinez-mc9qu specifically what doctrine has changed? policies change from time to time, but a policy is not doctrine. do you have examples of changed doctrine?
@@MaryMartinez-mc9qu doctrine doesn't change. God doesn't change.
God created "MAN" and God creates "WOMEN "
PERIOD!!!!
end of discussion...
Why are we even discussing this?
If the Church is wrong, then it cannot provide the means of Salvation it proclaims. Why would you want to be a part of such a mistaken organization? There are plenty of churches eager to cater to you!
Now, if the Church is right, the path to Salvation will require you to bring your "sacrifice to the altar". The sacrifices will be different for each of us. They might include your "perceived identity". We all are expected to do that! The Church, through the infinite Atonement of Jesus Christ, is supposed to change us completely.
@@hgdolder Well said.
It is supposed to change us, but within the proper context. It has been said "the natural man is an enemy to God." That doesn't mean go change into a woman as a shortcut.
Why would you even broach the topic of the Church be wrong on this?
@@stevenfeil7079 That comment was given from the perspective of those who think the church is wrong to exclude them from certain church events or callings.
@@wvg4800 I did not ask you to interpret it. I asked the commenter to explain.
The church should be the second safest place for you & your children besides your home. The fact that this is even an issue is appalling. The fact that I have to be concerned about the people teaching my children in church is heartbreaking. I’m glad they added some clarification and I hope it helps.
Move to a branch. We're not scary.
I want to be Loving but let's say you have a men dressing as a woman at sacrament meeting every Sunday! He's not participating in any callings but every Sunday 99 percent of the ward has to sit there viewing this lie taking place. I'm not saying we should be mean but it would be hard for me to be friendly like I would to other investigators. Is this not forcing the majority of adults and children to not want to go through this every Sunday because this person wants to lie to himself and dresses as a woman? I can see an activist dunt this just to tick off a whole ward of people. I hope this doesn't get it. It would literally make me sick. I'm glad I live in a rural area where this probably wouldn't happen.
Read Jeffrey R. Holland's October 2009 Conference Address: "Safety for the Soul"
@@eyes_wide_open23 I actually just watched that again last week. I have never forgotten it since it was broadcast 15 years ago. I would love to hear more boldness like from the Brethren. I'm going to miss Elder Holland so much when he passes away.
@@franciegwinOr you could go hug them, sit next to them, be friends with them and remember they are a child of God with eternal potential. You could try that approach.
If your sins were as "visible" as a man dressing as a woman would be at church, I'd bet you'd want true Christians in church to do the same to you.
“Scholars” warn…give me a break
This may be the best comment!
scholars.....just activists, who don't actually pay attention to the studies that show that transitioning doesn't always save lives.
What about the parents of those who transition their young children? Will they be held simmilarly accountable? They should be accountable for the abusive actions to the children entrusted them.
This is a very real issue and should be brought up. Of course, the parents should be held accountable with the law as well.
Should be excommunicated, right before they’re locked up in a federal prison
Even if nothing is done right now, if we truly believe they will be held accountable.
I think it depends on whether or not the parents were honestly duped by these so-called "experts" into thinking their own children will kill themselves if their parents don't blindly agree to their own arbitrary whims and ever shifting/increasing identity categories.
Or if the parents weren't duped into thinking that giving their own prepubescent kid a sex change (for crying out loud!) Will cause suicide in later life and instead they had acted with the intent to obtain some sort of narcissistic supply, like all these mothers acting out of highly abusive Munchausen's by proxy pathologies who castrate their own little ones just to get praise and attention by her own particular peer group for it.
Insane how much control big pharma has over our widespread cultural narratives in this modern era. All this talk about gender nonsense is just free advertising to them...
Doesn't mean it shouldn't be talked about at all, quite the contrary, really. This bull shit (there's no other term that can adequatelyv and accurately define what all this bull shit exactly is: bull shit ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sorry) isn't talked about enough, especially in regards to the underlying profit incentive driving The demand for this entire nonsense. Not saying profit incentives are bad in and of themselves, (I may be a millennial but even I know better dead than red, so I assure you I ain't no commie.) However, just because not all profit incentives are bad, doesn't mean they're always wonderful and wholesome either.
Edit: The biggest crime in all this is it's impact on families. Many parents go along with the whole transvestite Transylvania nonsense for no other reason than they are feeling forced to, lest the state even take their own kid away for not enabling this (say it with me!) BULL SHIT! Depending on where you currently live, you could even lose your own kid just for protecting them from all this pure EVIL bull shit! I'm so done with being patient with these people, as though we should be the ones feeling ashamed of ourselves and not them! I'll be damned before I let any of these sick opportunisic predators who prey on children make me feel ashamed of myself as though we're the ones doing something wrong instead of them, merely by standing up to them since our little ones simply can not do it all for themselves
We need to understand that some of these parents who transition their kids have been told by professionals that if they don't, their kid will commit suicide. Some are also threatened to have their kid taken away from them if they don't. It's also true that some parents push this ideaolgy on their kid.
Regarding some "scholars:"
"One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe things like that: no ordinary man could be such a fool." -George Orwell
"This is one of those views which are so absurd that only very learned men could possibly adopt them." -Bertrand Russell
2 Nephi 9:28 O that cunning plan of the evil one! O the vainness, and the frailties, and the foolishness of men! When they are learned they think they are wise, and they hearken not unto the counsel of God, for they set it aside, supposing they know of themselves, wherefore, their wisdom is foolishness and it profiteth them not. And they shall perish.
I pray all the time that the Church will continue to uphold absolute truth no matter the reactions of the great and spacious building. This handbook addition is good news. Good work, Greg.
If the Salt Lake Tribune is ticked I’m happy.
True
They have been a wannabe CN N for awhile!
Doesn't the Church have ownership in the Tribune?
@@davidlemon7543 No the Tribune started out as and continues to be an anti-mormon rag. The Church own KSL and Deseret News. The Tribune isnt even a for profit company anymore. Its now a non profit.
So a woman or girl has to WAIT until she can use the rest room because a man is in there. A menopausal woman who can't hang on had to wait. A young woman bleeding into her under wear from her period has to wait. A woman who just needs to go to the toilet had to wait. All because a man desires to be in there. None of this makes any sense. I am not even religious in any way shape or form
@@jodie-b4g In most church buildings in our faith there are more than one women's room in the building. So it is likely that they may have to walk further but I don't think they are going to be sitting for too long.
Also the idea of having people wait was only one option that a bishop would have to agree to, the primary option was to have them use a nongendered single person restroom which are also usually common in church buildings.
I would hope that bishops would not go with allowing them to turn the bathroom into a single person bathroom if there is only one women's room in a building.
I did think of that too- of how many times I had to take little ones to the restroom who barely made it in time. But what else can be done? Probably 99% of our church buildings were not made to accommodate with individual bathrooms. But there have been times where I have been bleeding heavily and to not be able to get into the bathroom would have been...
@@scottbowers6016 Not sure where you have been to church, but in my experience up and down the Eastern US, only the newest (1990s +) or largest buildings have more than one bathroom for any given sex.
When a man enters our space, it's no longer space for women. We are losing our spaces. They ARE NOT women. Ever. Dave and Peter and Kevin can dress anyway they want, call themselves Gemma, but when it affects women and girls. It's NO!!!!!!
@@scottbowers6016you must be in Utah. In the real world where not every building is a stake center, there only one restroom per gender.
"Just change" - You're right, telling someone to "just change" is counter to being helpful or compassionate. That said, change IS possible, and much of today's rhetoric ("assigned gender at birth", etc) is designed to make you believe that these things just ARE and that change should not be expected, condoned, or even believed possible.
I became gay later in life - in my late 20s/early 30s while I was at BYU. I rejected the identity, and I believed that change WAS possible. It's a longer story, but it took a full year and many pains, trials, prayers, and difficulties (without "professional" help, but with the help of my Savior), but I changed! It's been years since then, and I do not have the thoughts and urges I once did. Change IS possible through the gospel, and I don't think we do anyone any favors by shying away from that fact. It just needs to be done in the right way and with both truth and compassion.
@mrmikelb I would like to hear more about your journey. Are you married or did you decide to stay single?
Woman = adult human female. Girl = juvenile human female. Man = adult human male. Boy = juvenile human male. To change the meaning of these terms will have ramifications in all sorts of legal matters and government policies.
10 year's ago I would never have thought we'd even have this decision.
I've studied this for 12 years. We are only at the tip of the iceberg. And no, that's not fear-mongering, that's reality.
Thank you so much Greg. It’s so refreshing to hear good people like you standing up for eternal truth these days.
This is the best news I've heard in a long time. I'm so excited to hear that the church has made this clear. To many latter day saints fall pray to wokeness. Thanks for the update!
I agree! I'm very grateful for the clarity!
Me too! This had needed to be clarified the a long time. I live in a rural area so hopefully this wouldnt be a issue here soon. But who knows?
@@franciegwinyou are lucky to be on the stern of the Titanic.
@@franciegwin I'm in Knoxville it's here more than I would have expected.
for mstarters God is not the author of confusion
Thank you Greg for speaking out on this we see that the family proclamation was truly a inspired prophetic message for our day
We have to stand on truth alone and never align with any other ideology or we will be “ Running to and fro with every whim of doctrine “
Well stated. 👍
To the world: First you Pity. Then you Endure. Then you Embrace. This approach will lead you into Misery and Despair.
The final point of the addendum to assist leaders in dealing with this issue that cites the use of bathrooms and possible local options is not acceptable. At no time should a bathroom be compromised so that someone that is not of the biological sex indicated can introduced to it for approved use. Let them use the facility of their biological sex with a trusted individual watching for them if they must, but never compromise the dignity of those who adhrere to their God given gender.
I agree. No point to humoring them on this point when they already won't have anyone in the bathroom with them at the time. Just make them use the correct bathroom.
That said, it could be a legal issue. Wouldn't surprise me if some jurisdictions require you to allow people to go to their preferred bathroom.
I'll stick with the handbook thank you.
Some ward buildings (I’m thinking of my old ward building in St. Louis) have a disability/family/non-gendered bathroom to sidestep this potential legal problem to keep everyone safe.
Not to mention the uncleanliness and unsanitary issues of this appeasement. Can you imagine some man in a dress standing up and messing all over the seat that some little girl would have to sit on??? You would have to constantly be sanitizing the restroom and worrying about "things". Blech!
The world has gone completely insane!!!!
The Proclamation warned us 20 years ago. Here we are.
The saints will continue to be the focus of discussion on NOT budging on truth. Whatever backlash comes, so be it. I'd rather tell the truth and be hated than lie to be "nice".
Can you believe it was almost 29 years ago?
@@mikegillettify Oops I meant to write 30 not 20. I was just a little kid then.
@@amurry1030 same! I had only been baptized earlier that year.
I have lied to be nice and it leaves a sour taste.
@@DavidTaylor-n1z same here. It does no one any good, at all ever.
It's been a moment, in one of the earlier conference talks in Gospel Library the prophet warned the members to aware of the wolves in sheeps clothing in the church. They were warned that it would be difficult to see these individuals because they are clothed in the robes of the priesthood. If I can find the talk ill try to post it in this comment section or in a comment section in another video.
There's a limit to tolerance. We should have zero room for the tolerance of sin. Christ never tolerated sin, but he did tolerate those trying to overcome sin, and tolerated those struggling with sin, but he never approved the sin or the act of sinning.
That's the key point: Christ loved the sinner, but the expectation was that they were working to overcome their sins. Not to glory in those sins, and make Christ change His gospel.
If my bishop would have stood up and said to use preferred pronouns, I would have gotten up and walked out right then and there. I would have looked him in the eye so that he knew why I was leaving.
Me too.
boohoo
I feel like this is somewhat ironic, given that we are covering the whole interchange between Moroni falsely accusing and Pahoran this week in the LDS curriculum. I wish more members understood the core pieces of this story, and it would help us get a sense of what it really means to be committed to building Zion during trying times, with imperfect people.
1) Moroni prayed and got a response from the Lord (he can march on the capital if they don't provide resources)
2) Moroni, out of ignorance, incorrectly applied his answer to Pahoran, assuming that Pahoran was in charge of the capital
3) Despite being directly attack, and Moroni being in the wrong, Pahoran doesn't try to force Moroni to apologize. He identifies their shared concerns (worried about marching on the capital) and highlights to the true that they can both build on.
We don't need to imagine situations where we get to stick it to the bishop, and almost certainly, if we are fantasizing about that, our heart is not in the right place. The best first step would be to go to the bishop in person, highlight your shared concern: that there is someone who wants to join the church who is going to have a difficult time. Look for ways you can prepare for them to find joy in the gospel as embodied by Jesus and taught by prophets, rather than trying to water down and twist doctrines to make the gospel "easy." The gospel is supposed to be simple, but it is not supposed to be "easy".
@@AlecSorensenSo what's your point. No the gospel isn't supposed to be easy. We are to repent and become Christlike. We all have trials and different obstacles on our path. Gender dysphoria is no different.
Lol , that's a good one .... Can't wait to hear what my bishop will say on this very interesting dilemma.
I appreciate your clarification of the policy while also emphasizing that we need to be compassionate and loving to people in these circumstances.
Thank you!
Postmodernism is a philosophy. A philosophy imbued with a moral imperative (critical theory) is an ideology. An ideology systematically propagated (woke) is a religion. The free exercise of my religion allows me the prerogative to freely reject the performative exercises of another religion that is not my own. According to the religion of woke, I am constrained to profess things that I believe are lies.
I celebrate the leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for definitively rejecting the incursion of the invasive religion, born of a competing ideology, spawned in turn by the most anti-human philosophy man kind has ever produced.
Let it be known that the shadow of the combination is upon us.
Well-stated.
I have posted on a couple of occasions when I have disagreed with your interpretations of certain things. On this particular occasion I completely agree. My reason for adding comments are not so much for religious purposes but to make people aware of the science that applies. Anyone can look this up themselves but the region of the human brain that handles preferences is possible in multiple places: The dorsomedial prefrontal cortex, left dorsolateral prefrontal cortex, precuneus, ventromedial prefrontal cortex and the posterior medial frontal cortex. All which are parts of the anterior cingulate cortex.
This means two things. One is that preferences (including sexual preferences) are learned or acquired behaviors. The other very critical element is that this part of the human brain is not completely developed until the age of 25. Obviously, children being taught preferences that are contrary to their genetic sex is a type and form of abuse by defination.
My moms stake yw asked them to not use female pronouns at their girls camp this year. I hope they are able to be corrected by this
I get these accounts almost every day.
@@CwicShow😮
I had a thought today about using "preferred pronouns" with regards to last week's Come Follow Me lesson. With regards to Lehonti leaving his stronghold to parley with Amalickiah. The moment he conceded to the smallest of his enticing, Amalickiah was able to post a win. Is using people's preferred pronouns one such small concession?
Yes
It is the frog in a pot of water analogy. Give in a little, use their preferred pronouns and the heat gets turned up just a bit
I made a similar connection. Lehonti and his men had earlier made a covenant to capt Moroni to lay down their weapons (some of them at least). They were lured away from safety and convinced to break their covenants. Whereas Helamen wouldn't allow the people of Ammon to break their covenants, even at risk to his own safety / life.
President Thomas S Monson said, " It's easiers to live the commandments 100% of the time than 98% of the time"
💯 it is exactly that
I am so thankful for this program. Amen to the level-headed, intelligent testimony based folks who are out there creating sound discussions about such matters.
Well said Greg! So many of our brothers and sisters who experience gender dysphoria need our love and charity. I believe we can minister to and love them, and also stay true to the doctrine of Jesus Christ at the same time. I will not change my language to others "preferred pronouns" because it is not truth. I have chosen to refer to those individuals by their name of choice, and am leaving pronouns out of it. This occurs mostly when I am surrounded by those sensitive to the situation.
All of our children need to be protected, and allowing transgender individuals in the congregation to serve in areas that are gender specific is simply not okay. Not because they are predators, but because it isn't appropriate (as you stated). Thank you for taking the time to put this together, and for speaking truth!
I really needed the Church to do this. Im so thankful they did. I’m a recent convert and I often wonder why our leaders are silent on the absolute insanity happening with this topic. Taking a firm stance is important. I hope there is more of this to come.. on other issues that affect us all. ❤
There will be more of it to come. Seems like as the very vocal minority screeching about changes gets louder, the doctrine will be pushed at the forefront in answer to it. The Family Proclamation has always been my go to for this stuff
Thank you for speaking boldly and clearly in defense of truth. That's all I care about: truth.
I am so thankful to hear these policies covered so specifically in the church handbook. They covered all the areas I was having concerns about. So thankful they put this out there. And I would gladly be the designated bathroom guard for any transgender members of our ward if they need one. ❤️🙏🏻
@@Jeanie-nv7lo I think leaders also get caught up in "niceness" I think most are not trying to undermine the teachings of the church
@@Jeanie-nv7loIt's unfair to call them apostate though. We need to give grace and see them as confused but they are trying to help the 1. It's easy to make this mistake. Jesus commands we gather all of Israel and He will sift them. There is sifting on all sides right now. Both heaven and hell are shaking.
Sooo glad you covered these topics and issues. Converting and joining the church was so important to me because of where they stood their grounds! Consistency in our church is critical.
When I was a boy, Elder Robert Harbertson gave an address at a priesthood commemoration fireside. He told a story about an indian boy who was on a spiritual quest. He climbed a mountain and near the top he found a rattlesnake freezing in the cold. The snake convinced the boy that if he saved the snake, the snake would be grateful and not harm him. The boy, filled with compassion, carefully brought the snake to the bottom of the mountain and set him on the ground. The rattlesnake promptly bit the boy, leaving him in a fight for his life. "You promised that you wouldn't bite me" the boys said. "You knew what I was when you picked me up" answered the snake. I'm afraid that the church is picking up snakes with it's support of the LQBTQ community.
President Trump has an illustration of that in his rallies!
100%
@@bobwoody9225who cares about Trump?
I love snakes, but not the people kind. Unfortunately, that kind is everywhere.
@dcarts5616 Who cares? Try love one another, bless those who spitefully use you?
Notice that we're MADE in the image of god, not TRANSITIONED in the image of god.
Great point
I no longer belong, but I'm glad there is finally some push back.
Greg, I love the way you affirm absolute truth so clearly. Yes, the Proclamation on the Family is pure doctrine of unchanging truth. I love it and it guides my life decisions.
This issue is what destroyed the Boy Scouts of America. I am embarrassed at times to call myself an Eagle Scout.
I'm so sorry. It was a good thing. Then it wasn't.
My 3 sons feel the same way.
Why would you be embarrassed? I am an Eagle Scout and I am proud of it. Have some self confidence and conviction in what you did and accomplished in the BSA program. You are letting other people dictate your life.
Nope. Stand tall that you accomplished an amazing achievement. People know the value
My son and his wife live on a boat in the Emeryville Marina. They chose to go to the Berkeley ward because it was geographically closest to their boat. Their boat Marina is not in any word boundaries. So they can basically choose their ward, especially as they move their boat from one Marina to another. After having attended the Berkeley ward for about two years. One child is 13 years old just started passing the sacrament a year ago and the other is a daughter still in primary not baptized under eight years old. My daughter-in-law would come home from church every Sunday, not uplifted. In their bishopric, they are not only had the bishop and two counselors, but they had two female counselors who were rather butch looking. The previous state president went along with this nonsense. They would have people bearing their testimonies that weren’t really testimonies of the gospel of Jesus Christ, that of their personal gender and their gender confusion.(that’s what you get when you’re in a Berkeley ward with all the berserkly people.)
They have made the decision to move their records and go to one of the wards that is an English-speaking ward that meets in the Oakland interstate center on the Temple grounds. The retention rate in the Berkeley ward for youth is zero. My son wants his son to go on a mission and to be sealed in the temple and they feel that they are not gonna get that , having their children go to the Berkeley ward. They need to go to a family ward that has people with their head on straight.
Glad to see the church publish the truth! I appreciate your thoughts Greg.
I already pulled my kids out of 2nd hour because of these issues but even more so because of the white shaming going on! We go to Sacrament meeting then we go home and have 2nd hour as a family.
What state do you live in if I might ask?
Utah! I never imagined it would be like this where I live. I live in an area that has grown very quickly and the people moving here are very different from the people originally from here! It has been a huge challenge to my faith.
White shaming? That doesn't happen where I live. My Native friends boycotted L'Oréal and Coca Cola due to their white shaming a couple of years ago.
Whiteshaming?
No wonder Montana is having an influx of people moving here from Utah and Idaho. And, unfortunately, California.
As President Mackay once quipped " academics often read by the lamp of their own conciet." That pretty much says it all.
I was a single mother, but I was a dang good one, so I KNOW when the “single mother statistics” come out in an argument, I don’t get upset…because that wasn’t me, but it’s still true for society.
I wish others could grasp this concept like you, Carla!
@@dcarts5616 send them my way and I’ll set them straight 😆
Those who affirm will be more condemned even than those who stigmatize.
"Those who affirm will be more condemned even than those who stigmatize"
Maybe; got any sort of doctrinal source for that?
@@thomasmaughan4798 Yeah, it’s all over the scriptures. How much time have you got?
@@thomasmaughan4798 Try Reading the book of Jude for starters.
@@danjohnson8556 "How much time have you got?"
For you, as much as is reasonably possible.
@@thomasmaughan4798 Jude 1:4-5 Certain men creep in unawares to turn the grace of God into lasciviousness. Jude 1:7 going after strange flesh Jude 1:8 filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. Jude 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone the way of Cane (seeking after own passion avoiding accountability) Jude 1:12 trees whose fruit withereth...twice dead, plucked up by the roots.
Not once did Christ ever condone (affirm) sin. He and his prophets condemned it throughout scripture.
Love your work Greg, love your clarity. Thanks for being there, standing for truth, a true Captain Moroni like figure.
Bless you Greg!!! As usual, you nailed it!!! Thank you
I’m gay and wish I could not hide in thenchurch but would be horrified and fear the doctrine changing to align with the world. It would feel like the end of the world if I couldn’t could on the comfort of the eternal principles.
Thanks for the solid breakdown and rebuttal of the SLTrib article. Great insights!
The camel’s nose has been let into the tent.
At least the nose, Probably the head and neck as well.
Yes, indeed. The cozying up to that "community" and welcoming that into the church, in an effort to be "tolerant" and "inclusive", those Marxist Word Salad lies, is indeed coming home to roost. That camel is totally in the tent, romping up and down, and stomping on doctrine at every turn, but like you said, it was invited in.
It should have been slapped when it took it's first breath of air meant for humans! Oh no, that camel identified as a human! Lol
I am relieved by the clarity of these updates to the handbook. I stand with the brethren, we must erect the standard of truth and uphold God's laws.
Brother You are SO right! Greetings from Chile!!
You mentioned something about men and woman living together unmarried, and not being able to attend the temple. I think it should be clarified that it’s not the “living” together as much as it is the inappropriate sexual behavior outside of a marriage that has been ordained between a man and a woman alone. Because I know many that are divorced, and cannot afford to move out of their home and are living as roommates and still have their temple recocomends.
That is a carveout for countries where it is virtually impossible to get a divorce.
I've had female room mates with no romantic feelings for each other. That's not what he's talking about, he means people who are involved.
@elizabethc5133 I concur. My sister is divorced and bought her home after she was divorced. Her ex-husband, who is a long-haul trucker, has been going through cancer treatments and other surgeries. She fixed up a room in her basement for him to stay in. They get along and he helps her financially. She is endowed. He was excommunicated years ago. There is nothing inappropriate going on.
You know “many” people who are divorced, living together still, and attend the Temple? That’s mind boggling.
"Common law marriage"
Before I saw your TH-cam today, I read a conference talk from April 1973 by Elder Ezra Taft Benson talking about the down fall of Rome which follows what you’re saying.
This more detailed policy is good. Many of us understood it before, but some didn't and need more detailed clarity to get it. For example, some wards were welcoming trannies into Relief Society. The Handbook update seems respectful and compassionate. I'm not sure if I feel comfortable with a man in the women's restroom though. He'd better cleanup after himself. And if I really have to go, I think it would be rude to make me wait while a confused man gets the privilege of having the whole place to himself, doing his business in the ladies' room. They should kick him out. There might be a little girl who has to go, a pregnant woman, or a middle woman who needs to go. We don't have single occupancy bathrooms in our building. Women should havd first priority to use the women's restroom.
"I'm not sure if I feel comfortable with a man in the women's restroom though. He'd better cleanup after himself."
For what its worth, I always sit. I was a bachelor for much of my adult life and always cleaned up after myself and it is a lot easier when not spraying all over the place.
28:58 I'm sorry, but I don't agree with this. I don't care how much one looks like the other gender they're transitioning to; to look the other way and pretend it's OK for them to use that restroom is still wrong, even having someone be a door-watch. No. Have them use a single user restroom or unoccupied family restroom, but not gender-specific restrooms. This ought to be stricter
💯 correct!
I agree with you, but our meetinghouse has no single bathrooms( family restroom).We only have mens rooms and women's rooms so a trans person has to use one or the other.
I’m inclined to agree with you. There is probably legal issues that made that exception.
@@stevehumble8865 1. Does your building have a single-user "family" restroom? Most buildings I've been in do.
2. I think, if not, this needs to be specified as the exception - that, in the exceptional case that the building doesn't have a single-user restroom, only then would this be the protocol.
@@DannyAGray All the ward buildings in my stake were made many many years ago. There is a woman's and a man's restroom. No single user restoom.
You're absolutely right about using accurate pronouns. Blurring the language has led to blurring physical boundaries.
I, as a Bishop have just loved this episode! The clarity these changes bring and the commentary that solidifies that are so needed. My ward just instituted the Young Women as providers of Sacrament bread, usually baking it themselves. This has been a wonderful opportunity for the Young Women to make an important contribution to the Sacrament Meetinng. They also took over as Ward Choristers, rotating each week. The Youth are the Bishops Greatest Responsibility and I feel the Greatest advantage in fighting the war againsed darkness. Let's stand up and support them in this, let us raise up a Title of Liberty!
This shouldn't require clarification. If you have a basic understanding of the doctrine, then the church's stance on such matters would already be extremely clear. It's pretty simple, and highly focused on the structure of family. Things that undermine the foundation of a traditional family are against church doctrine. Hinkley outlined this clearly in 1995 "The Family: A proclamation to the world" in which, he over simplified the entire foundation of the church into a single document, so there would be no mistake where the church stands, and he did it a decade before any of this became mainstream.
I love that you said "this is not hate, it is truth". Absolutely!
But it’s literally hate.
@lifetaketwo7662....Respectfully disagreeing and lovingly standing up for what we believe is not hate. It's having integrity and holding to our values. I understand it can FEEL like hate to the other person, but we should all have respect for other people disagreeing with us without correlating it with assumed hate that is very often incorrect. Objective truth can feel threatening and offensive and hateful when we don't want to hear it or when we aren't living by it or when it conflicts with our inner beliefs that may not be accurate or healthy. It feels that way as a clue to us that something can change inside us to better align with objective truth so we don't feel those ways about the truth anymore and come to crave learning more truth. But if treatment toward someone is still kind and caring, then disagreeing doesn't mean they hate them. That's an incorrect beliefs and assumption inside the person feeling offended that they alone can change and see a broader perspective.
I have seen rainbow badges saying "you are safe with me" After last years chanting" We are coming for your children"
Thank you for your comments it is a light in times of darkness.
As always, we should pray for those of our brothers and sisters that are struggling with this. I think it is very good practice not to put them in certain callings.
FINALLY! FINALLY! FINALLY! Clear, precise messaging and direction 🙏. If you disagree, please, PLEASE use your agency and go to another church! No one is forcing anyONE to stay in the LDS faith. Agency is real. Follow the covenant path, or choose a different one. NO need to complain or get hurt. CHOOSE.
Right!!! I'll help pack their spiritual bags and hold the door open so it doesn't hit them on the way out.
If I may… I’d rather counsel them to use their agency and relationship with God to find the truth of this and to follow the guidance of the prophets.
@@mikegillettify "I’d rather counsel them to use their agency and relationship with God to find the truth of this and to follow the guidance of the prophets."
He's probably thinking of the Wheat and Tares blog. I think the Wheat departed long ago. Nehors and Korihors are abundant. I suppose it might matter where one is; in "happy valley" it is unlikely many people exist that have not already chosen their path.
@@thomasmaughan4798 I’m not familiar with the Wheat and Tares blog; but I can tell you that very few people will ever get to a point where we are allowed to just give up on them.
A few weeks ago we read in Alma about the Sons of Mosiah being laughed to scorn about ministering to the Lamanites. They were told that the Lamanites needed to be wiped off the face of the earth not preached to (Alma 26:23-32).
In a few months we will read Mormon’s letter to Moroni about the people who seem to him to be all the way off the path but that their responsibility is to continually preach repentance to them (MNI 9:6)
@@mikegillettify You illustrate a tension that has always existed; lumped under justice versus mercy. Mercy cannot rob justice; and yet mercy exists. That is because of the atonement. Justice is satisifed AND so is mercy.
But to take advantage of the atonement, a person must accept Jesus Christ AND repent; this transfers sin, guilt and shame and you can go forward BUT to continue in sin negates the atonement for such person that continues in sin.
You are lumping Lamanites collectively with specific Lamanites. Alma gives Korihor an opportunity to repent; but Korihor does not repent. The Nehor's are worse; there was no success preaching to the Nehors. That kind is the apostates.
Korihor was an anti-Christ but never a member of the church. Nehors are also anti-Christ but they were apostates; they had knowledge and rebelled against it. Sure you can try to preach to them, but you need to be VERY strong in your faith and knowledge to go against that kind. Modern versions of a Nehor is John Dehlin or Denver Snuffer of the "remnant". They have a great deal of knowledge and are very cunning; they seek to destroy the church of God by infiltrating it.
Basically any TH-cam channel that contains "Mormon" [Nemo the Mormon; Mormon Stories] is actually "anti" usually of the steady-the-ark kind of reformism which, in this context, also destroys what the church IS and that, in my opinion, is the ultimate goal. All of these anti's could easily start their own church, go away and be happy. But that is not what they want. This kind wants to destroy YOUR happiness.
Anglican and Episcopalian are examples. They stand for nothing since they fall for anything. They are weak. Conversely, the strongest most inflexible Abrahamic religion is Islam. Not many people even attempt to "reform" Islam and live to tell about it. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints leans in that direction of unchanging doctrine BUT having a prophet and apostles CAN occasionally change a doctrine that is not central to the plan of salvation.
As it happens, Adam and Eve and human reproduction IS central to God's plan. It is incredibly unlikely this will ever change.
If you have to say anything at all best to say “biological sex observed and recorded at birth”.
I wonder if it would really be too much to put a space for XX or XY? Probably TOO invasive... 😳
Nope. It's just man or woman. We don't need all that
What? I thought doctors and nurses flipped a coin and then *assigned* you at birth. Of course now you'd need one of those D&D 58 sided dice to assign something to a newborn.
Sex is not "assigned" at birth, it is confirmed.
Thank you, Greg. You did a great job explaining this. I agree with you.
I am in a part member family and before I began an endowed member my husband was asked to write a letter stating that he didn't have a problem with me getting endowed. This policy is not to keep me out of the temple but because the church doesn't want to break up my marriage.
As far as I can see, the only "pronouns" in the church should be brother and sister..
We don't need LDS "influencers" that use the word "ally"......
22:50 it’s not even a case of that it’s inappropriate, it’s been a too big of a risk for the children. And trans people should be first to stand up and say they care about children safety from situation like this that people would abuse them. Do they not care about the children?
Thank you for this video. I can't imagine the trials the church will be facing in the future trying to follow our Heavenly Father's plan and having the powers that be following another. I pray for the inspiration and safety of our beloved leaders.
Thanks so much for breaking this down for us. I have always trusted your thoughts and opinions.
I appreciate that. Big responsibility!
Totally agree with you Greg.
Hopefully when we get through this issue we will get the sealed portion of the Book of Mormon.
I wish you would prioritize the actual handbook & church policy over the Trib's predictable response. I recognize that, in spite of the fact that they are a trash rag and not serious news, who seem to exist to publush hit pieces on the Church, there is value in addressing their 'argumemts': apologetics is an important activity. But dealing with the objections before going over the policy seems backwards. This was the first I'd heard of the update --and finding out what's in it is, to me, far more interesting than a discussion of the Trib's latest antics in their self-appointed role as an anti-Christ.
I use the article to provide contrast and to show how "deconstruction" and Critical Theory work. It helps us recognize what is happening.
@@CwicShow Like I said: there's a place for apologetics. I don't have an issue with going through the thing line-by-line; sometimes that's needed, and you did a nice job of showing how off-base they are. I just think it's better practice to put truth out there first, before you start exposing lies.
@@Ritsumei30he’s an apologist for the church. He chose to use the tribs article. It’s his show. You can scroll on by…
Agreed. He spent the entire video with the tribune article up. It is fine to address it, but that is all he talked about.
The church leadership needs to get back to being hardcore about disfellowshipping and/or excommunicating.
Agreed! Too bad so many leaders are of questionable masculinity.
Nah. They have the keys, not you. So your opinion is irrelevant.
So powerful! Thank you for this episode!
You're welcome!
Why must the many and normal accommodate the few and abnormal? Why not the other way around? Are the abnormal exempt from being Christ-like and from loving others enough to consider their feelings and sensibilities? Why should the normal always yield? Answer: virtue signaling
EXACTLY!
Leave the 99 to minister to the 1?
@paulgilchrist808 All for that, but if the one wants to join or re-join the fold, there are some requirements. The shepherd brings the one back into the fold. He doesn't take the 99 into the wilderness to hang out with the one so it will be comfortable there.
In General Conference when President oaks said the purpose of the church is to teach Celestial law. Things finally clicked in my brain why the church has to take the stand they do. You can learn how to live a decent good life from plenty of sources. The church is the only place where you learn how to live in a celestial way. It can’t be changed otherwise the church is no different than a well meaning influencer sharing life platitudes.
sinful actions that harm our ability to gain the celestial kingdom relegate anyone to a second class citizen eternally. That's why there is a terrestrial and a telestial kindgom.
DC 76: 109-112
109 But behold, and lo, we saw the glory and the inhabitants of the telestial world, that they were as innumerable as the stars in the firmament of heaven, or as the sand upon the seashore;
110 And heard the voice of the Lord saying: These all shall bow the knee, and every tongue shall confess to him who sits upon the throne forever and ever;
111 For they shall be judged according to their works, and every man shall receive according to his own works, his own dominion, in the mansions which are prepared;
112 And they shall be servants of the Most High; but where God and Christ dwell they cannot come, worlds without end.
Alma 34:34-35
34 Ye cannot say, when ye are brought to that awful crisis, that I will repent, that I will return to my God. Nay, ye cannot say this; for that same spirit which doth possess your bodies at the time that ye go out of this life, that same spirit will have power to possess your body in that eternal world.
35 For behold, if ye have procrastinated the day of your repentance even until death, behold, ye have become subjected to the spirit of the devil, and he doth seal you his; therefore, the Spirit of the Lord hath withdrawn from you, and hath no place in you, and the devil hath all power over you; and this is the final state of the wicked.
I’m more shocked that we are having these discussions.
If there are the degrees of glory and you insist on telling God He is WRONG, and He made a mistake in your creation... you will make yourself a lower degree glory "citizen". You cannot make yourself above Him, defiant of Him, and pretend you submit to Him as your God.
Better to come to terms of this hard reality now than as you stand before God. Unprepared and defiant. There is no kindness in sending them ignorantly to that terror. That is not love. That is cowardice. Christlike love is honest.
As they say, "Follow the science"...unless is disagrees with what they want. You nailed it!!!!
Any controversy there are only two sides: Lucifer or Christ. If something isn't one, it is the other.
If l choose to join a religious group, l also choose to demonstrate l am committed to their doctrine. If l pass the entrance interview after striving to change myself to match their requirements, l can be granted membership in that organization. Then l must live the rest of my life to show how converted l am to God.
Here are the pronouns:
I, me, my, mine
You, you, your, yours
Thou, thee, thine
He, him, his
She, her, hers
It, its
We, our, ours
You, you, your, yours
Ye, you, your, yours
They, them, theirs
Anything beyond that is falsehood and of the Devil.
Thanks for the honest breakdown. You nailed it.