***** But you know, that she wasn't vilain at all? She did everything to save glaxy from Nihilus and Sion, to show Jedi that they were wrong( they were), and to train Exile, so that she could join Revan in fighting against True Sith. She was more heor than our little Jedi. Those who do not see this, clearly skipped dialogue.
It sucked that she died. I always go light side ending light side character so it would've been wrong just to kill her. But she died of a heart attack anyway lol
DraculaCronqvist I've searched for anyone on the internet who actually understood what she, or rather her writer, was getting at. Nobody has hit on it. The don't understand what her critique of the Force really implies.
Marcara081 Then could you please explain and give your point of view on that subject? I'd really like to understand it better... I think she's such a fantastic character and the essence (along with some other aspects) of the game. Thanks!
*"Korriban shall be as it always was: A graveyard for the darkest of the Sith Lords, still whispering within their tombs. It shall always be a source of evil, spawning threats throughout the millennia. It, like Malachor, brushes the edges of the Empire that waits for us, in the dark, for the great war that comes. And like Malachor, the Sith have forgotten it... for a time. They will remember. Revan knew this."*
There are dark places in the galaxy... where few have tread. Ancient centers of learning, of knowledge. But I did not walk alone... to be united by hatred is a... fragile alliance at best. But my will was not law. There were disagreements... ambition... and hunger for power. There are techniques within the force against which there is no defense. I was cast down. Stripped of my power. Exiled. I suffered indignities... and fell into darkness.
This game has amazing soundtracks! I remember when the cutscene of the 3 Sith Lords at Trayus core came; it was epic! btw its too bad this game's story didn't have a better ending, cause the game overall was great, but the ending messed it up :/
this story rocked way better than the films even though the films didnt and couldnt show everything that appended during that timeline, and it always had a dark pressence surrounding it which is felt in this song one of my fav star wars songs of all if only it were long
I kinda agree but it adds to the story of how much creepier and more depressing the sequel is since you've been away for years. Also, when you make it to a prestige level or something you get to do a flashback thing in the creepy tomb. Also adding to the story (plus you get to fight Revan, Malak, Sion, Bastila, a ton of Mandilorians, Jedi, and Sith... and you get some sweet stuff). But I get where you're coming from
@MisterNerevarine Yup if you have the restoration patch of kotor 2 the dark side decisions majority of the time does not come down to mugging random people you can actually be MANIPULATIVE in this game thats why I love kotor 2 plus it goes into depth how the jedi and sith orders can improve.
kreia or darth treya what ever is simply awesome concept a leader striped of her power thrown out of all she knows meets another just like her. then he develops a bond to this individual linking their lives but kreia see this as a way to influence the exile to do as she wants but (depending on the side u chose in game) u fail her and she casts u aside feeling betrayed and takes up the mantle of sith lord again then the apprentice must kill the master for better or worse simply awesome
@PiggyFate Yes, I'm not saying that the players will necessarily find Revan himself in SWTOR, but rather they've made it clear that we will at least find out what happened to him.
when kreia[aka Traya] said "There must always be a darth traya" she spoke the truth even 4000 years later there was a Darth Traya though his name was different [Darth Sidious].
i have kotor 1 and 2 on xbox still play ...i never thought that 1 was better than 2 i like both but i think i prefer 2 cuz :it tells you if a box is empty,you can change your companion aligment and turn them into jedi or sith ,this way you can way more manipulate them and theres more weapon and armors specially jedi robes
@Razor1097 i agree 100% in every way. KOTOR 2 is the single greatest video game plotline of all time. It's my number 1 all time favorite for that reason
@Xenar17 perhaps it would involve you putting together the mystery of your disappearance - either you lose your memory (again, lol) and have to piece it together, or you make your own history by choosing certain things that you did in the past... if that makes sense.
@visorak168x you see her without the hood when kreia tells exile about her betrayal and it shows sion slamming her head through a wall that is when her hood is off
well, I all hoped for a summer release of couse but since they didn't... yeah, I think they can make it until christmas. However, I mod games myself and therefore I know how quickly things can get delayed over and over again. Still, no worries, they are almost done, it won't die on the last few lines of code.
I love Biowares' RPGs. Like Mass Effect, Jade Empire and KOTOR I and II. They're all super epic and the best Rpgs I've played. Though Fallout 3 is pretty good.
I cant believe how many Characters there are in KOTOR 2 that there were in KOTOR......I mean there is Canderous,( Also known as Mandalore ) There is T3,HK-47,Bastila,Carth Onasi Master Vrook and I think thats it......Unless Hanharr could be Zalbarr's brother or dad or someone..... Idk but...yeah :P
@Vahtacen I thought the same thing i was all eager and prepped my pc for Kotor 3 and then my heart sank when i saw the lets play video MMORPG WHy?!!!!!!! thou i whould like to play kotor and kotor 2 again very good games to play awesome replay value
@Legoghost14 lol, because of their focus on profit. I'm thinking about the rushed production of KOTOR II, they jnew obsidian could do with more time (the game wasn't even complete when it came out) but they wanted the game for christmas.
@airzorne i want kotor 3 too i wana see what the hell happened after kotor 1 and 2. im still looking forward to the old republic but i wana know what happened all the same
I don't understand why people think it was bad. I preferred number 2 more than number 1, primarily because number 1 just pissed me the fuck off. It took me hours to get Juhani to talk to me, and even days to get her on my team. Then, when i killed her, the council started bitching. Also, the kath hounds were incredibly tough to beat with a normal lightsaber, so I had to swap Bastila's double before enetering teh Hangar at the Exchange place so I could use it. 2 rules!
@airzorne We already know what Revan done, he left Republic space to venture to the Uknown Regions to allegedly fight the True Sith. But I think SW:TOR will advance the story somewhat. There is a trailer which shows someone in a temple finding Revan's mask
@Xenar17 Yeah, so I guess that making his own history, maybe through his actions in the game and his conversation reactions would be interesting. I mean, if you're evil in the game, you'd probably be evil during your exile. If you are good in the game, you'd probably be good during the exile. Or maybe it can get data from your previous game.
Anyone who hasn't heard, go to the page deadlystream . com This is the home page of the mod TSLRCM. It improves the game soooo much. It restores lost content, completes the storyline etc. You can read more on the page. Btw, trailer for the mod: watch?v=8rOBUChvxp8 and another: watch?v=Nh3N1qXg9bU
@Merhawk102 I know, that was such a pity!!! KOTOR II could have had the same profundity as KOTOR I, if Obsidian would have had more time to make the game..
@AndrewH1993 Yes I enjoyed the first one quite a bit. It would be great if someone would port the entire thing to the new game engine. I enjoyed the second one but I found the storyline so depressing and dark, which wasn't such a bad thing but I couldn't help but feel hopeless a lot of the time. I would have really like to see how it turned out if it had been completed..
Korriban would have been cool, but in the rush to finish the game, they didn't go in depth about it...I mean, all of the other planets have some big event. (Onderun/Dxun is my favorite.)But Korriban is lame. Originally, Vash has a apprentice, and its his body you find in the torture room, and then you find Vash in the omb full of visions. And you and her force Sion and the Assassins off of Korriban together, and then you kill her...or she goes to Dantooine.
@Merhawk102 I hate how they rushed it though loved the game anyway, but i'm waiting for someone from either company to pull their head out of their ass and realize they gave KOTOR 2 a patcher for a reason! If Blizzard can do it, so can Lucas Arts/Obsidian!
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"To be united by hatred, is a fragile alliance at best"
But I did not walk alone
I not only think Kreia is the best character from Star Wars. I also think she is one of the best villains ever in a videogame.
***** But you know, that she wasn't vilain at all? She did everything to save glaxy from Nihilus and Sion, to show Jedi that they were wrong( they were), and to train Exile, so that she could join Revan in fighting against True Sith. She was more heor than our little Jedi. Those who do not see this, clearly skipped dialogue.
+Darth Thanaton plz put Spoiler warning in front of your comment. :(
It sucked that she died. I always go light side ending light side character so it would've been wrong just to kill her. But she died of a heart attack anyway lol
"It is such a quiet thing, to fall. But far more terrible is to admit it."
One of my favorite quotes
There is no great revelation, no great secret. There is only you.
Kreia, the single best character to have ever graced Star Wars by far.
Hell no. She was way too damn annoying and condescending.
If you really think that, then you have not understood her character... or simply lack patience.
DraculaCronqvist I've searched for anyone on the internet who actually understood what she, or rather her writer, was getting at. Nobody has hit on it. The don't understand what her critique of the Force really implies.
Marcara081
My sentiments exactly. So far, the people I met and actually understood the character can be counted on one hand. It's unfortunate.
Marcara081
Then could you please explain and give your point of view on that subject? I'd really like to understand it better...
I think she's such a fantastic character and the essence (along with some other aspects) of the game.
Thanks!
"Guys, Kreia's back!"
"How'd she survive falling into the planet core?"
"She fell all the way through to Gunga city"
*"Korriban shall be as it always was: A graveyard for the darkest of the Sith Lords, still whispering within their tombs. It shall always be a source of evil, spawning threats throughout the millennia. It, like Malachor, brushes the edges of the Empire that waits for us, in the dark, for the great war that comes. And like Malachor, the Sith have forgotten it... for a time. They will remember. Revan knew this."*
There must be an extended Version of this. I NEED it.
+Nelthro Kanir www.listenonrepeat.com/watch?v=_IubqHVEQ5U
+Vartrex5 Not really an extension :/
Yes but it'll do. Thank you for the link!
There are dark places in the galaxy... where few have tread. Ancient centers of learning, of knowledge. But I did not walk alone... to be united by hatred is a... fragile alliance at best.
But my will was not law. There were disagreements... ambition... and hunger for power. There are techniques within the force against which there is no defense.
I was cast down. Stripped of my power. Exiled. I suffered indignities... and fell into darkness.
6 people died at Malachor V
"there are techniques, within the force, against which there's no defense"
I love this music. Never mind Sion and Nihilus being nightmare-inducing, Kreia is spooky along with this music.
Best character, best star wars game
"You have failed me."
because you were ........afraid
Completely, and utterly.
6 people have failed me more then they can possibly imagine.
I feel kinda weak when listening to this...this is maybe my favorite song of all time...its really really deep and just stunning...
One of my faves, brings old memories back.
If only kotor 2 was longer!
Jesus they could have made a Kotor 3... but they insisted on an MMORPG.
WHY?!!!!
Kreia is without a doubt the best character that has ever been in Star Wars.
This game has amazing soundtracks! I remember when the cutscene of the 3 Sith Lords at Trayus core came; it was epic!
btw its too bad this game's story didn't have a better ending, cause the game overall was great, but the ending messed it up :/
"there must always be a darth traya..."
There are dark places in the galaxy we’re few tread ancient centres of learning of knowledge
this story rocked way better than the films even though the films didnt and couldnt show everything that appended during that timeline, and it always had a dark pressence surrounding it which is felt in this song one of my fav star wars songs of all if only it were long
That music is like the essence of the dark side. Just the opposite to the light side of the Force (Leia's News).
Imo, this is the best theme in the game. Wish it was longer, and I'd want the notes.
I kinda agree but it adds to the story of how much creepier and more depressing the sequel is since you've been away for years. Also, when you make it to a prestige level or something you get to do a flashback thing in the creepy tomb. Also adding to the story (plus you get to fight Revan, Malak, Sion, Bastila, a ton of Mandilorians, Jedi, and Sith... and you get some sweet stuff).
But I get where you're coming from
best piece... had to write it again
the way its going, it won't be out until at least early next year.
Best theme for sure. Such creepy backround music
yeah it is, and if you have the pc version this is the music that plays when the disc is first inserted
@MisterNerevarine Yup if you have the restoration patch of kotor 2 the dark side decisions majority of the time does not come down to mugging random people you can actually be MANIPULATIVE in this game thats why I love kotor 2 plus it goes into depth how the jedi and sith orders can improve.
kreia or darth treya what ever is simply awesome concept
a leader striped of her power thrown out of all she knows meets another just like her.
then he develops a bond to this individual linking their lives but kreia see this as a way to influence the exile to do as she wants but (depending on the side u chose in game) u fail her and she casts u aside feeling betrayed and takes up the mantle of sith lord again
then the apprentice must kill the master for better or worse
simply awesome
@PiggyFate
Yes, I'm not saying that the players will necessarily find Revan himself in SWTOR, but rather they've made it clear that we will at least find out what happened to him.
KOTOR 2 Was ultimately one of the BEST SEQUALS IVE PLAYED
when kreia[aka Traya] said "There must always be a darth traya" she spoke the truth even 4000 years later there was a Darth Traya though his name was different [Darth Sidious].
@Smolko7
Hanharr is in KOTOR2, he is a bounty hunter living on Nar Shadaar
4 people have come with no questions.
best *35* seconds of game music this century :D
perfectly define this game
best peice
@zach5666 Actually it is "Kreia and the Dark Side" as extracted from the game soundtrack.
"To be united by hatred is a... fragile alliance, at best."
i have kotor 1 and 2 on xbox still play ...i never thought that 1 was better than 2 i like both but i think i prefer 2 cuz :it tells you if a box is empty,you can change your companion aligment and turn them into jedi or sith ,this way you can way more manipulate them and theres more weapon and armors specially jedi robes
Agreed.
yes. sidious was lika a living plague.
@Razor1097 i agree 100% in every way. KOTOR 2 is the single greatest video game plotline of all time. It's my number 1 all time favorite for that reason
@Xenar17 perhaps it would involve you putting together the mystery of your disappearance - either you lose your memory (again, lol) and have to piece it together, or you make your own history by choosing certain things that you did in the past... if that makes sense.
I want the Dark Side points piece
@visorak168x you see her without the hood when kreia tells exile about her betrayal and it shows sion slamming her head through a wall that is when her hood is off
Four...no, FIVE people don't like how it cuts off the end.
Speaking of falling far...into the planet core you go...
well, I all hoped for a summer release of couse but since they didn't...
yeah, I think they can make it until christmas. However, I mod games myself and therefore I know how quickly things can get delayed over and over again. Still, no worries, they are almost done, it won't die on the last few lines of code.
@Merhawk102 KOTOR 1 was in development for over 5 years, kotor 2 was in development for only a year really.
I played on hard during my first run of Kotor 1. I later realized the change. It's actually not that had now.
When I turned Kreia evil she still doesn't take her hood off.
I love Biowares' RPGs. Like Mass Effect, Jade Empire and KOTOR I and II. They're all super epic and the best Rpgs I've played. Though Fallout 3 is pretty good.
@visorak168x there is romance, with your character, if male, and Visas Marr. Choose the right choices and you can see they love each other
yeah i know, i watched it like 4 times in a row because it was the first time i'd seen it, even though it was the 4th time i played the game
@Smolko7 No, he isn't. He's actually a KoTOR 2 "Exclusive". The wookie from the first game is Zaalbarr, and Hanharr isn't found in KoTOR 1.
I cant believe how many Characters there are in KOTOR 2 that there were in KOTOR......I mean there is Canderous,( Also known as Mandalore ) There is T3,HK-47,Bastila,Carth Onasi Master Vrook and I think thats it......Unless Hanharr could be Zalbarr's brother or dad or someone..... Idk but...yeah :P
What's up with the long pauses after every song?
@Vahtacen I thought the same thing i was all eager and prepped my pc for Kotor 3 and then my heart sank when i saw the lets play video MMORPG WHy?!!!!!!! thou i whould like to play kotor and kotor 2 again very good games to play awesome replay value
@Legoghost14 lol, because of their focus on profit. I'm thinking about the rushed production of KOTOR II, they jnew obsidian could do with more time (the game wasn't even complete when it came out) but they wanted the game for christmas.
The only way this song could be more epic is if it were longer..
@airzorne i want kotor 3 too i wana see what the hell happened after kotor 1 and 2. im still looking forward to the old republic but i wana know what happened all the same
Dark Side Points-DAH DUH DAH DAH DAAAAH DAH DAH!
I don't understand why people think it was bad. I preferred number 2 more than number 1, primarily because number 1 just pissed me the fuck off. It took me hours to get Juhani to talk to me, and even days to get her on my team. Then, when i killed her, the council started bitching. Also, the kath hounds were incredibly tough to beat with a normal lightsaber, so I had to swap Bastila's double before enetering teh Hangar at the Exchange place so I could use it. 2 rules!
@airzorne
We already know what Revan done, he left Republic space to venture to the Uknown Regions to allegedly fight the True Sith. But I think SW:TOR will advance the story somewhat. There is a trailer which shows someone in a temple finding Revan's mask
That part went probably not as epic as you expected.
hehe... you forgot one part :P
IT WAS EPIC XD
@Xenar17 Yeah, so I guess that making his own history, maybe through his actions in the game and his conversation reactions would be interesting. I mean, if you're evil in the game, you'd probably be evil during your exile. If you are good in the game, you'd probably be good during the exile.
Or maybe it can get data from your previous game.
Anyone who hasn't heard, go to the page deadlystream . com
This is the home page of the mod TSLRCM. It improves the game soooo much. It restores lost content, completes the storyline etc.
You can read more on the page.
Btw, trailer for the mod:
watch?v=8rOBUChvxp8
and another:
watch?v=Nh3N1qXg9bU
just wait for the TSLRP to finish and the game WILL be perfect
To be honest I think that Kreia is the best Star wars character
@Merhawk102 I know, that was such a pity!!! KOTOR II could have had the same profundity as KOTOR I, if Obsidian would have had more time to make the game..
great music! do u know where i can get this????
did this game come out during christmas? cause I got it at christmas from my grandma :D
Kreia is no leader... she admits it herself
@TheGuyWithAWeirdName well it's still an amazing game to me
@AndrewH1993 Yes I enjoyed the first one quite a bit. It would be great if someone would port the entire thing to the new game engine. I enjoyed the second one but I found the storyline so depressing and dark, which wasn't such a bad thing but I couldn't help but feel hopeless a lot of the time. I would have really like to see how it turned out if it had been completed..
they are making a kotor 3 dunno when tho
man did this age well.
@ironmaiden93ofangmar You didn't get the endings?
Korriban would have been cool, but in the rush to finish the game, they didn't go in depth about it...I mean, all of the other planets have some big event. (Onderun/Dxun is my favorite.)But Korriban is lame. Originally, Vash has a apprentice, and its his body you find in the torture room, and then you find Vash in the omb full of visions. And you and her force Sion and the Assassins off of Korriban together, and then you kill her...or she goes to Dantooine.
@CarrickBuff100 ahh I see, my bad homie.
@eastcoaststandup ohh lol sorry man I misunderstood
@CarrickBuff100 What, this game? It was actually made by obsidian.
@TheGuyWithAWeirdName why is that?
@Razor1097 no one hates their fans more than lucasarts
@PeterJDeer like the rest of kotor2
@ransac16 What really pisses me off, is there is no romance. How can it be a great game going on an adventure with your party and no romance?
@Merhawk102 I hate how they rushed it though loved the game anyway, but i'm waiting for someone from either company to pull their head out of their ass and realize they gave KOTOR 2 a patcher for a reason! If Blizzard can do it, so can Lucas Arts/Obsidian!
whats a deception?
Waaaaa???!!!???
@Legoghost14 I'm talking about kissing each other.
Dude the name is Kreia's Dark Theme, not Kreia and the darkside
@eastcoaststandup k :)
Pardon me but are u taling about the MMO or something else cuz i don't know what ur talking about what restored game.
Why?
Smug Statement: There are portions of the game that have been left out.
Condescending Explanation: A par of the military base before you go meet Atris. There is a locked door to the sub-level of the military base, however you cannot access it.
Mocking Query: Perhaps you have not played it to the level of others have? Maybe the meatbag in your question has had more experience in dealing with the game than you?
@matser08 I LOVE you right now.
unfortunately i have this game on my xbox! n i would wanna mess with my game either! thanks anyway
@visorak168x Yes i did, I just didn't like the endings as much as KotOR1 endings