What do you guys think about lighting striking the statue of Saint Peter in Buenos Aries outside the home Diocese from which Pope Francis previously served as the Cardinal and coadjutor Archbishop... on Pope Francis' birthday... the day before "Fiducia Supplicans" was officiated? That Church has plenty of lightning rods and the odds of the statue so close to the ground being targeted were highly improbable. It destroyed Peter's halo, his blessing hand, and the key he was holding which represents the key Christ gave to Peter to head the Catholic Church. Now the author of Fiducia Supplicans was exposed for writing a creepy sex book that he tried to bury years ago. A fellow Cardinal from Argentina and friend of Pope Francis for at least 20 years. Do you guys think Pope Francis didn't know about this book or the nature of Cardinal Fernandez that entire time?
All men of lawlessness shall be revealed. No matter their status in life...whether they wear blue jeans, a suit, or clerical robes and a priest's collar.
I disagree with the blessing of same sex or Irregular couples. If they are repentant and struggling and need a blessing thats one thing but that makes It an individual blessing of someone struggling with homosexuality or samesex. But to bless a couple that have no intention of repentance then I believe they shouldn’t receive a blessing because it contradicts the doctrine of the faith and church teachings. You can not bless sin. I believe they need to clarify this document and change it to individual blessing of people struggling with homosexuality or Irregular situations. This is my opinion but I think the document opened up a way to Interpret It Incorrectly and needs clarity so there is not confusion or room for ambiguity.
Exactly. Church of nice doing the opposite of what Jesus did. People came and come to Christ because they wanted/need forgiveness, and guidance how to walk with God not push him out of the way. Jesus said go and sin NO MORE after their sins were forgiven and a repentant heart was found. He did not say sure ok let's bless what ever you think you are cause you and the civil authorities no better. Very sad indeed.
How is this not a change in teaching? What would be the need for the declaration if there was no change? If there was no change why did Fernandez explicitly create a new form of blessing in this document? The document also doesn’t say they are blessing individuals it explicitly states blessing a couple. Couple is a singular term, joined by whatever means through which they have determined, explicitly in this regard joined via adultery or sodomy.
Pcola, the document was needed so as to clarify what is being socially promoninent now. We're this not a question, this would not be needed! Again, the document states that marriage is for man and woman alone, to be open to both love and life and that no other sexual union outside of this, gay OR straight, can be blessed by God! Yet those in these disordered unions, can be blessed individually! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink
@@matthewbroderick6287 Except for the fact that Cardinal Fernández himself clarified that the couple itself is the object of blessing. Can you please tell me or show me an example in the tradition or scripture, where an object whose sole existence is evil has a descending grace from God? Additionally, this has already been stated, and explained multiple times, addressed over and over. The actual new part is the fact that the church is now blessing sodomy and adultery. You can try and nuance it all you want. December 16th, if Father Martin would have done his little photo-op he would have been chastised and potentially laticized. Now, he is flaunting it. Sodomy is evil, adultery is evil, incest is evil. And yet now all these “irregular” couples can come up and receive blessings as couples. They are doing it now in St Peter’s. It has never been a question as to whether a sinner (I.e. all of us) can recieve a blessing. That has been evident throughout old and New Testament. Now we are ignoring scripture (1 Corinthians 5 & 6 give an explicit example on how to handle this type of public sin), and instead now affirming people in their sin. That isn’t charity, that isn’t Christian, and that most certainly is not Catholic. Which fortunately we have the entire continent of Africa and some of Eastern Europe and Asia who have outright rejected this “new teaching”. It is heresy.
@@matthewbroderick6287 Not to mention, this document is written by the same guy who wrote child pron about a sexual encounter of a young girl with Jesus on the beach as “Mary looks favorably”….
@pcola4594 Again, the document clearly states that marriage is for man and woman alone, to be open to both love and life and that no other sexual union outside of this, gay OR straight, can be blessed by God! Yet, again, couples in these disordered unions, can be blessed individually! Those who claim Pope Francis teaches heresy and error, are themselves ignorant of Catholic teaching and Canon Law and Holy Scripture! Regarding that book written before Cardinal Fernandez many years ago, Pope John Paul II and Saint Hildegard, also taught the same of human sexuality and Divine intimacy, found in Song of Solomon. Plus, the Church never declared the his writings as banned or forbidden! You are in my prayers as you journey toward Truth! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink
@@matthewbroderick6287 It does not say the individuals can be blessed, it explicitly states the couple, Cardinal Fernandez himself reiterated in his interview with the Pillar that the couple itself, not the individuals is blessed. 31. Within the horizon outlined here appears the possibility of blessings for couples in irregular situations and for couples of the same sex, the form of which should not be fixed ritually by ecclesial authorities to avoid producing confusion with the blessing proper to the Sacrament of Marriage”. As to the book. Are you literally trying to legitimize child pron by comparing theology of the body to it? Seriously? Child pron is ok now as long as the subject involves Christ? Seriously that is your position?
What do you guys think about lighting striking the statue of Saint Peter in Buenos Aries outside the home Diocese from which Pope Francis previously served as the Cardinal and coadjutor Archbishop... on Pope Francis' birthday... the day before "Fiducia Supplicans" was officiated? That Church has plenty of lightning rods and the odds of the statue so close to the ground being targeted were highly improbable. It destroyed Peter's halo, his blessing hand, and the key he was holding which represents the key Christ gave to Peter to head the Catholic Church. Now the author of Fiducia Supplicans was exposed for writing a creepy sex book that he tried to bury years ago. A fellow Cardinal from Argentina and friend of Pope Francis for at least 20 years. Do you guys think Pope Francis didn't know about this book or the nature of Cardinal Fernandez that entire time?
All men of lawlessness shall be revealed. No matter their status in life...whether they wear blue jeans, a suit, or clerical robes and a priest's collar.
That was some pretty specific lightening. God doesn't make mistakes.
I disagree with the blessing of same sex or Irregular couples. If they are repentant and struggling and need a blessing thats one thing but that makes It an individual blessing of someone struggling with homosexuality or samesex. But to bless a couple that have no intention of repentance then I believe they shouldn’t receive a blessing because it contradicts the doctrine of the faith and church teachings. You can not bless sin. I believe they need to clarify this document and change it to individual blessing of people struggling with homosexuality or Irregular situations. This is my opinion but I think the document opened up a way to Interpret It Incorrectly and needs clarity so there is not confusion or room for
ambiguity.
Exactly. Church of nice doing the opposite of what Jesus did. People came and come to Christ because they wanted/need forgiveness, and guidance how to walk with God not push him out of the way. Jesus said go and sin NO MORE after their sins were forgiven and a repentant heart was found. He did not say sure ok let's bless what ever you think you are cause you and the civil authorities no better. Very sad indeed.
How is this not a change in teaching? What would be the need for the declaration if there was no change?
If there was no change why did Fernandez explicitly create a new form of blessing in this document?
The document also doesn’t say they are blessing individuals it explicitly states blessing a couple. Couple is a singular term, joined by whatever means through which they have determined, explicitly in this regard joined via adultery or sodomy.
Pcola, the document was needed so as to clarify what is being socially promoninent now. We're this not a question, this would not be needed! Again, the document states that marriage is for man and woman alone, to be open to both love and life and that no other sexual union outside of this, gay OR straight, can be blessed by God! Yet those in these disordered unions, can be blessed individually! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink
@@matthewbroderick6287
Except for the fact that Cardinal Fernández himself clarified that the couple itself is the object of blessing.
Can you please tell me or show me an example in the tradition or scripture, where an object whose sole existence is evil has a descending grace from God?
Additionally, this has already been stated, and explained multiple times, addressed over and over.
The actual new part is the fact that the church is now blessing sodomy and adultery. You can try and nuance it all you want. December 16th, if Father Martin would have done his little photo-op he would have been chastised and potentially laticized. Now, he is flaunting it.
Sodomy is evil, adultery is evil, incest is evil. And yet now all these “irregular” couples can come up and receive blessings as couples. They are doing it now in St Peter’s. It has never been a question as to whether a sinner (I.e. all of us) can recieve a blessing. That has been evident throughout old and New Testament.
Now we are ignoring scripture (1 Corinthians 5 & 6 give an explicit example on how to handle this type of public sin), and instead now affirming people in their sin.
That isn’t charity, that isn’t Christian, and that most certainly is not Catholic.
Which fortunately we have the entire continent of Africa and some of Eastern Europe and Asia who have outright rejected this “new teaching”. It is heresy.
@@matthewbroderick6287
Not to mention, this document is written by the same guy who wrote child pron about a sexual encounter of a young girl with Jesus on the beach as “Mary looks favorably”….
@pcola4594 Again, the document clearly states that marriage is for man and woman alone, to be open to both love and life and that no other sexual union outside of this, gay OR straight, can be blessed by God! Yet, again, couples in these disordered unions, can be blessed individually! Those who claim Pope Francis teaches heresy and error, are themselves ignorant of Catholic teaching and Canon Law and Holy Scripture!
Regarding that book written before Cardinal Fernandez many years ago, Pope John Paul II and Saint Hildegard, also taught the same of human sexuality and Divine intimacy, found in Song of Solomon. Plus, the Church never declared the his writings as banned or forbidden! You are in my prayers as you journey toward Truth! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink
@@matthewbroderick6287
It does not say the individuals can be blessed, it explicitly states the couple, Cardinal Fernandez himself reiterated in his interview with the Pillar that the couple itself, not the individuals is blessed.
31. Within the horizon outlined here appears the possibility of blessings for couples in irregular situations and for couples of the same sex, the form of which should not be fixed ritually by ecclesial authorities to avoid producing confusion with the blessing proper to the Sacrament of Marriage”.
As to the book. Are you literally trying to legitimize child pron by comparing theology of the body to it? Seriously?
Child pron is ok now as long as the subject involves Christ? Seriously that is your position?
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