The Redskins did change their name to the "Commanders", however the Blackfeet nation, after whom the team was originally named and whose chief was depicted in the original logo, don't like that the name got changed and are trying to get it changed back to the Redskins. Quite amusing how the name got changed because people not tied to the situation were offended on the behalf of people who were... despite those people not being offended.
I knew I saw this somewhere that this was happening. That chief was some big dude also in history? I'm guna go to Google but if you have anything to share i'd like to read
This phenomenon of modern society where these overly touchy, feely people, who insist on appearing more enlightened than the rest of us. And insist on searching for anything that they can find to invent offense on behalf of people that they have absolutely no connection to, nor even knowledge about. That's because their only true goal is to show everyone else just how superiorly sensitive they are to other cultures. It's nothing but something that they can stroke their own egos with.
I have several friends who are far more native than I will ever claim to be but from what I can tell most natives saw the redskins as a badge of honor “we fought so well they named this team after us” kinda thing
London was actually originally a small Roman village called Lunduium. It was changed to Lundun then to London. I know the name Lundun is from the Viking age but before that I’m not sure. Florida got its name from its discovery by ponce De Leon as he saw the bountiful tropical flowers from the ocean, he exclaimed La Florida meaning beautiful flowers.
Los Angeles is pronounced Los Angelus. Los Angeles was founded in 1781 as El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ángeles (The Town of Our Lady the Queen of the Angels)
For all the talk about early Americans disrespecting the natives, they sure named a lot of states after their words and tribes. Seems respectful to me. They could’ve named it anything. After themselves, after something in their families or lives, or European history. But they chose to use the native words and names. As usual in life, the relationships between settlers and natives is far more complex than modern diatribes tell.
18:27 Yes, Alaska used to be owned by Russia but William Seward purchased it in 1867 in an act known as "Seward's Folly" is it seemed crazy to buy a remote frozen wasteland. Then came the gold rush of 1896 and later they found oil too and then there was the Cold War with Russia so clearly Seward made the right move.
I’m only 2 1/2 minutes into this and I think this is very informative. I’ve seen another video about American state names, but he goes into it a little deeper with Viking names.
The Siouans are spelled Sioux in America. It’s pronounced /SOO/ like soon without the n. You are correct Kabir. The Washington Redskins are now the Washington Commanders.
Which has only gotten traction in the media. We locals still call it the Redskins. Commanders is a name as bad as the team. Even Native Americans resent the change as Warriors might have been better. Thanks stupid woke culture.
Most things in America have either names that derived from England/UK or Native Americans. I also think it's hilarious Virginia was named after Elizabeth I's virginity yet their state slogan is "Virginia is for Lovers" LOL One more thing: he doesn't mention this but Rhode Island's original full name was State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations and it remained on the state seal all the way up until 2020 when voters voted in a referendum to change it to simply "Rhode Island"
The Washington Redskins had to change their name because of an "uproar" about the name and logo. Polls showed that a vast majority of Native Americans supported the supported the team name and logo(the logo was of John Two Guns White Calf a Blackfeet chief and drawn by Blackie Wetzel who was a Blackfeet tribal leader). It would be like an Hispanic group demanding that Notre Dame change its name from the Fighting Irish because it discriminates against the Irish. If most Native Americans had wanted to change the name it would be different but they didn't. I thought Red Nation would have been a good choice but their solution was just to get rid of the Native Americans all together..... sounds kinda familiar doesn't it.....
It's funny you brought up the Redskins football team. They did change their name a few years ago after all the white liberals got offended on behalf of Native Americans. But now the Native Americans are asking to have the team name brought back because the team was actually named by native Americans who played on the team, and the logo is a famous and well respected member of the Blackfeet tribe. Getting rid of the team name and logo is like trying to erase their history.
Native Americans have happily called themselves “red skins” forever. It was modern “progressive” (mostly white city folk) sensibilities that took issue on their behalf.
Keep in mind that Spain (España), for more than 800 years, was once a Muslim country called al-Andalus. The Muslim rule ended in 1492. The same year the Spanish monarchs, Ferdinand and Isabella, backed an expedition to the East. An expedition that claimed discovery of the "New World". Though we now know that that is far, far from reality. Nordic tribes didn't keep a written history. Their history was handed down through oral tradition which played a game of telephone with their past.
My state of Rhode Island has these cities and towns that were named after places in England: Barrington, Bristol, Coventry, Cumberland, Exeter, Glocester, Greenwich, Little Compton (probably Cullompton, Devon), Newport, New Shoreham, Portsmouth, Richmond, Tiverton, and Warwick. We have towns named for English kings: Charlestown (Charles II), Jamestown (James II), and Kingstown (possibly Charles II). We have towns named for English immigrants or Americans with English surnames: Burrillville, Cranston, Foster, Hopkinton, Johnston, Lincoln, Smithfield, and Warren. There are many more English names used for neighborhoods or parts of towns. We also have lots of indigenous place names, some of which can be challenging: Misquamicut, Pettaquamscutt, Quonochontaug, and Usquepaug.
Yes, the Sioux (pronounced "soo") were a large group of tribes that lived on the Great Plains; they were one of the *big* tribal groups that included numerous subgroups and occupied a large area (sort of like the Iroquois, but in a different area and with a very different culture and government structure). By the time Europeans made contact with them, horsemanship was extremely important to Sioux culture, which shows something of how fast cultures can develop, because those horses they used were descended from the ones the Spanish introduced to what is now Mexico, some of which escaped and went feral and migrated northward. The most famous subgroups of the Sioux are the Lakota and Dakota, but there were others as well.
Los Angeles gets it's name from the town founded next to the Mission San Gabriel in 1781 which still stands today. It was called El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de la Reina de los Ángeles. The Town of Our Lady the Queen of Angels.
Actually, the original, full name of Los Angeles is : "City of Our Lady Queen of the Angels of the Porciuncula River" or in Spanish "El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de Los Ángeles del Río Porciúncula". Thankfully, it was shortened to "Los Angeles".
LA was founded as either El Pueblo de la Reyna de los Angeles (The town of the Queen of Angels) or El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de los Angeles de Porciúncula (The town of Our Lady of the Angels of Porciúncula). Names do change - for example, the state of Rhode Island was actually "The State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations". Massachusets was "The Commonwealth of Massachusetts" but that wasn't long enough so in 2020 their official name is “The Commonwealth of Massachusetts and the Islands of Martha’s Vineyard and Nantucket”. Also, San Francisco started off as "La Misión de Nuestro Padre San Francisco de Asís" (The Mission of Our Father Saint Francis of Assisi) and Santa Fe, New Mexico was originally "La Villa Real de la Santa Fe de San Francisco de Asís" (The Royal Town of the Holy Faith of Saint Francis of Assisi). Austin, TX was originally named Waterloo but was renamed the same year in honor of Stephen F. Austin.
The original name of Los Angeles is "El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ángeles del Río Porciúncula" which means "The Town of Our Lady the Queen of the Angels of the River Porciúncula".
I had a professor (actually from France) of French literature at the University of Oregon, who informed us that the name of our state came from the French for "hurricane" since there were such bad storms here. We generally do not have hurricanes or typhoons in this area, but the mouth of the Columbia River at the Pacific Ocean boasts notoriously rough waters where the energy of the river, which is 2nd largest by water flow in the US, and the energy of the ocean collide and then recombine the water into swirling waves. In the last 200 years, over 2,000 ships have sunk or split apart in the area. Just north of there on the Washington side of the river is Cape Disappointment (named by a sea captain in the 1700's who searched in vain for a way across the bar) where the Coast Guard conducts training in the 30-40 foot waves in wintertime. As the narrator said, no one knows where the name actually came from and we never will, but I thought the Frenchman had a good argument.
I've always thought the French for hurricane was the more likely, with French fur trappers being here before settlement. I keep seeing the oregano explanation, but oregano is not native here, so that would really be a really odd thing to choose to name a huge territory, but I guess people seem to think it must be because it sounds like Oregon.
@@RogCBrand An Arabic instructor tried to tell me once that the English word "sheriff" came from the name Sharif. Which, of course, it doesn't. It is a contraction of "shire reeve." Because a word sounds like another doesn't mean their related. The oregano theory sounds about as likely as the Sharif one.
@@katheryns1219 Exactly!!! I think people see what they believe is an obvious connection and then just assume that's got to be the answer without any facts to back them up.
not that you dont have rivers in the UK but we have seriously big navigable rivers in the US. it is not at all surprising that regions or states are named after rivers, even the Delaware is a big honking river.
My state of Massachusetts has to do with the Native American tribe that lived here. My city has many areas , ponds etc named for the Native Tribes who lived here.
@Kabir Wisconsinites most definitely pronounce the entire state name. The abbreviation you’re thinking of is ‘Sconny, which is basically what some people from Wisconsin (and other places) call Wisconsinites as it is shorter to say.
Hi Kabir, I wish that the Washington Redskins hadn't, in an attempt to be politically correct, changed their name to the Commanders. That name sucks! Why not the Senators or Presidents? Most of the " native Americans" l know still refer to themselves as "Indians"! Even the young ones.
The original name of Los Angeles is El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ángeles del Río Porciúncula. My city name in California come from a local tribe.
Washington State and Washington DC are not the same thing. Washington State is in the Northwest, whereas Washington DC is a federal district in the Eastern United States.
Only my state was straight forward.. Beinville traveling Mississippi named Louisiana after the king who sent him- notice all the French saying of native America names… all of these lands were part of Louisiana purchase
don’t you know California is really a country? Lol. Washington DC on the east coast is really part of the District of Columbia. 😊. You might be surprised to know that the government that existed a long time ago made a decision to separate some Indians tribes as being civilized versus other ones. As time went on, it was decided that they should combined several tribes & call them by one name, so you can see how tribes lost their identity. Worst of all Native Americans east of the Mississippi were forcibly removed to west of the Mississippi, and all these tribes walked their own trail of tears.
Do you think Natives decided to bend to European name? History is European perspective. A Brit explaining US? American history doesnt cover Natives. 😊 French and Spanish were here before Colonists.
The Wokies decided they spoke for the Native Americans and demanded the Washington Red Skins drop the name, even though the Native Americans had no problem with it just as they had no problems with the Cleveland Indians base ball team, but they still had to change their name. Until recently the full name of Rhode Island was Rhode Island and Providence Plantations. It was only in the last year or two that they decided to drop the reference to Providence Plantations.
7:12 Yeah, how dare these people who came over with next to nothing and were just trying to survive didn't keep accurate records! If you're gonna get upset at the settlers not keeping records, then you also have to get upset at the natives for not keeping records.
It's sad how much I learn about my own country by watching this stuff. I guess our schools don't teach as much as they could, although they would probably have to keep us in schools years longer than they already do I guess.
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The Redskins did change their name to the "Commanders", however the Blackfeet nation, after whom the team was originally named and whose chief was depicted in the original logo, don't like that the name got changed and are trying to get it changed back to the Redskins.
Quite amusing how the name got changed because people not tied to the situation were offended on the behalf of people who were... despite those people not being offended.
I know! It’s usually white liberals that are offended.
I knew I saw this somewhere that this was happening. That chief was some big dude also in history? I'm guna go to Google but if you have anything to share i'd like to read
This phenomenon of modern society where these overly touchy, feely people, who insist on appearing more enlightened than the rest of us. And insist on searching for anything that they can find to invent offense on behalf of people that they have absolutely no connection to, nor even knowledge about. That's because their only true goal is to show everyone else just how superiorly sensitive they are to other cultures. It's nothing but something that they can stroke their own egos with.
I have several friends who are far more native than I will ever claim to be but from what I can tell most natives saw the redskins as a badge of honor “we fought so well they named this team after us” kinda thing
White liberals! Native Americans considered it an honor!
London was actually originally a small Roman village called Lunduium. It was changed to Lundun then to London. I know the name Lundun is from the Viking age but before that I’m not sure. Florida got its name from its discovery by ponce De Leon as he saw the bountiful tropical flowers from the ocean, he exclaimed La Florida meaning beautiful flowers.
It was back In the BC days and it was Londiniem
@@tazepat001 I’m spelling it how they did back in the day. It was officially Lundun from like the 1500s
The Redskins were changed to the Commanders. I still call them the Redskins. Ironically most native American people want the name changed back.
Los Angeles is pronounced Los Angelus.
Los Angeles was founded in 1781 as El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ángeles (The Town of Our Lady the Queen of the Angels)
For all the talk about early Americans disrespecting the natives, they sure named a lot of states after their words and tribes. Seems respectful to me. They could’ve named it anything. After themselves, after something in their families or lives, or European history. But they chose to use the native words and names. As usual in life, the relationships between settlers and natives is far more complex than modern diatribes tell.
Kabir, the origin of Paris is very easy to explain. It was the land of the Parisii, a Gallic Tribe conquered by the Romans.
18:27 Yes, Alaska used to be owned by Russia but William Seward purchased it in 1867 in an act known as "Seward's Folly" is it seemed crazy to buy a remote frozen wasteland. Then came the gold rush of 1896 and later they found oil too and then there was the Cold War with Russia so clearly Seward made the right move.
I’m only 2 1/2 minutes into this and I think this is very informative. I’ve seen another video about American state names, but he goes into it a little deeper with Viking names.
The Siouans are spelled Sioux in America. It’s pronounced /SOO/ like soon without the n.
You are correct Kabir. The Washington Redskins are now the Washington Commanders.
Which has only gotten traction in the media. We locals still call it the Redskins. Commanders is a name as bad as the team. Even Native Americans resent the change as Warriors might have been better. Thanks stupid woke culture.
He didn’t mention it but New York was originally called New Amsterdam because of Dutch settlers
Trivia: The official name of Los Angeles is: La Ciudad de Nuestra Senora de Los Angeles de la Portiuncula.
Most things in America have either names that derived from England/UK or Native Americans.
I also think it's hilarious Virginia was named after Elizabeth I's virginity yet their state slogan is "Virginia is for Lovers" LOL
One more thing: he doesn't mention this but Rhode Island's original full name was State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations and it remained on the state seal all the way up until 2020 when voters voted in a referendum to change it to simply "Rhode Island"
The Washington Redskins had to change their name because of an "uproar" about the name and logo. Polls showed that a vast majority of Native Americans supported the supported the team name and logo(the logo was of John Two Guns White Calf a Blackfeet chief and drawn by Blackie Wetzel who was a Blackfeet tribal leader). It would be like an Hispanic group demanding that Notre Dame change its name from the Fighting Irish because it discriminates against the Irish. If most Native Americans had wanted to change the name it would be different but they didn't. I thought Red Nation would have been a good choice but their solution was just to get rid of the Native Americans all together..... sounds kinda familiar doesn't it.....
It's funny you brought up the Redskins football team. They did change their name a few years ago after all the white liberals got offended on behalf of Native Americans. But now the Native Americans are asking to have the team name brought back because the team was actually named by native Americans who played on the team, and the logo is a famous and well respected member of the Blackfeet tribe. Getting rid of the team name and logo is like trying to erase their history.
The word Mexico is an Aztec Nahuatl word meaning place at the center of the Moon. It meant a spiritual place to the Aztecs.
Native Americans have happily called themselves “red skins” forever. It was modern “progressive” (mostly white city folk) sensibilities that took issue on their behalf.
Here in Minnesota we call Wisconsin 'Sconny'. Really good video bro
Here in Maryland, we call it "Mare-ln" or sometimes "Merlin"
Keep in mind that Spain (España), for more than 800 years, was once a Muslim country called al-Andalus. The Muslim rule ended in 1492. The same year the Spanish monarchs, Ferdinand and Isabella, backed an expedition to the East.
An expedition that claimed discovery of the "New World". Though we now know that that is far, far from reality. Nordic tribes didn't keep a written history. Their history was handed down through oral tradition which played a game of telephone with their past.
My state of Rhode Island has these cities and towns that were named after places in England: Barrington, Bristol, Coventry, Cumberland, Exeter, Glocester, Greenwich, Little Compton (probably Cullompton, Devon), Newport, New Shoreham, Portsmouth, Richmond, Tiverton, and Warwick. We have towns named for English kings: Charlestown (Charles II), Jamestown (James II), and Kingstown (possibly Charles II). We have towns named for English immigrants or Americans with English surnames: Burrillville, Cranston, Foster, Hopkinton, Johnston, Lincoln, Smithfield, and Warren. There are many more English names used for neighborhoods or parts of towns. We also have lots of indigenous place names, some of which can be challenging: Misquamicut, Pettaquamscutt, Quonochontaug, and Usquepaug.
Yes, the Sioux (pronounced "soo") were a large group of tribes that lived on the Great Plains; they were one of the *big* tribal groups that included numerous subgroups and occupied a large area (sort of like the Iroquois, but in a different area and with a very different culture and government structure). By the time Europeans made contact with them, horsemanship was extremely important to Sioux culture, which shows something of how fast cultures can develop, because those horses they used were descended from the ones the Spanish introduced to what is now Mexico, some of which escaped and went feral and migrated northward. The most famous subgroups of the Sioux are the Lakota and Dakota, but there were others as well.
Los Angeles gets it's name from the town founded next to the Mission San Gabriel in 1781 which still stands today. It was called El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de la Reina de los Ángeles. The Town of Our Lady the Queen of Angels.
Actually, the original, full name of Los Angeles is : "City of Our Lady Queen of the Angels of the Porciuncula River" or in Spanish "El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de Los Ángeles del Río Porciúncula". Thankfully, it was shortened to "Los Angeles".
Maine was originally part of Massachusetts
Raise of hands: who's shocked that California is a derivative of caliphate? No? Me either.😂
Minnesota got their name from the Dakota native term for "cloudy water" or "sky tinted water"
LA was founded as either El Pueblo de la Reyna de los Angeles (The town of the Queen of Angels) or El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de los Angeles de Porciúncula (The town of Our Lady of the Angels of Porciúncula). Names do change - for example, the state of Rhode Island was actually "The State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations". Massachusets was "The Commonwealth of Massachusetts" but that wasn't long enough so in 2020 their official name is “The Commonwealth of Massachusetts and the Islands of Martha’s Vineyard and Nantucket”. Also, San Francisco started off as "La Misión de Nuestro Padre San Francisco de Asís" (The Mission of Our Father Saint Francis of Assisi) and Santa Fe, New Mexico was originally "La Villa Real de la Santa Fe de San Francisco de Asís" (The Royal Town of the Holy Faith of Saint Francis of Assisi). Austin, TX was originally named Waterloo but was renamed the same year in honor of Stephen F. Austin.
You're obsessed with time travel! 😂
I mean it's true tho lol we will never accurately know what people thought back then especially when it's a time before recordings
New Jersey got it’s name after the island of jersey
The original name of Los Angeles is "El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ángeles del Río Porciúncula" which means "The Town of Our Lady the Queen of the Angels of the River Porciúncula".
Yes, Los Angeles is a city - City of Angels - pronounced Loss Angl-ess or Loss Ann-hell-ess
People who came from Europe brought the names of the places they knew back in Europe (whatever part of Europe they were from).
Glad to hear im not the only one who mixes up those words when i was a kid i kept calling my uncles car a "Mississippi Mirage" 😂😂😂
I had a professor (actually from France) of French literature at the University of Oregon, who informed us that the name of our state came from the French for "hurricane" since there were such bad storms here. We generally do not have hurricanes or typhoons in this area, but the mouth of the Columbia River at the Pacific Ocean boasts notoriously rough waters where the energy of the river, which is 2nd largest by water flow in the US, and the energy of the ocean collide and then recombine the water into swirling waves. In the last 200 years, over 2,000 ships have sunk or split apart in the area. Just north of there on the Washington side of the river is Cape Disappointment (named by a sea captain in the 1700's who searched in vain for a way across the bar) where the Coast Guard conducts training in the 30-40 foot waves in wintertime. As the narrator said, no one knows where the name actually came from and we never will, but I thought the Frenchman had a good argument.
I've always thought the French for hurricane was the more likely, with French fur trappers being here before settlement. I keep seeing the oregano explanation, but oregano is not native here, so that would really be a really odd thing to choose to name a huge territory, but I guess people seem to think it must be because it sounds like Oregon.
@@RogCBrand An Arabic instructor tried to tell me once that the English word "sheriff" came from the name Sharif. Which, of course, it doesn't. It is a contraction of "shire reeve." Because a word sounds like another doesn't mean their related. The oregano theory sounds about as likely as the Sharif one.
@@katheryns1219 Exactly!!! I think people see what they believe is an obvious connection and then just assume that's got to be the answer without any facts to back them up.
@@RogCBrand When I was getting my degree in linguistics we were often warned away from the "easy" or "obvious" explanations.
Illinois here. I live about three miles from the “big lake”.
Caddo Indians - where I live was their land which they sold in LOUISIANA and moved to e Texas
not that you dont have rivers in the UK but we have seriously big navigable rivers in the US. it is not at all surprising that regions or states are named after rivers, even the Delaware is a big honking river.
The name Sioux isn't what that tribe call themselves, it's actually Lakota, Sioux and Dakota are white men names for them
My state of Massachusetts has to do with the Native American tribe that lived here. My city has many areas , ponds etc named for the Native Tribes who lived here.
This was interesting. As, some of these became a lot clearer from where their names came from. Appreciations!
The redskins changed names to commanders. It really didn’t help them though as their record is dismal.
@Kabir Wisconsinites most definitely pronounce the entire state name. The abbreviation you’re thinking of is ‘Sconny, which is basically what some people from Wisconsin (and other places) call Wisconsinites as it is shorter to say.
There is also a section of Mexico called California
Hi Kabir, I wish that the Washington Redskins hadn't, in an attempt to be politically correct, changed their name to the Commanders. That name sucks! Why not the Senators or Presidents?
Most of the " native Americans" l know still refer to themselves as "Indians"! Even the young ones.
I always liked how California was named after a mythical Black Woman lol. There are statues and monuments of her throughout the state.
In Cherokee Tennessee is bend of the river
The original name of Los Angeles is El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ángeles del Río Porciúncula.
My city name in California come from a local tribe.
Washington State and Washington DC are not the same thing. Washington State is in the Northwest, whereas Washington DC is a federal district in the Eastern United States.
I have lived in Wisconsin for 78 years and have never heard it pronounced sconsin.Also there is the French Ouisconsin
Only my state was straight forward.. Beinville traveling Mississippi named Louisiana after the king who sent him- notice all the French saying of native America names… all of these lands were part of Louisiana purchase
Washington state and DC are very obvious!
No, we pronounce it Wisconsin with the Wis
Please react to the Harris and trump debate. Since you reacted to Biden and Trump debate.
Utahans are raised learning that the state's name means "Top of Mountains" or "Mountain Top". It's because of the Ute Native American tribe.
If New York was named after the guy and not the city, then why does it have the word "new" in front of it?
British names in New England -ne US
eh. He skipped New Netherland aspect of New York
don’t you know California is really a country? Lol. Washington DC on the east coast is really part of the District of Columbia. 😊. You might be surprised to know that the government that existed a long time ago made a decision to separate some Indians tribes as being civilized versus other ones. As time went on, it was decided that they should combined several tribes & call them by one name, so you can see how tribes lost their identity. Worst of all Native Americans east of the Mississippi were forcibly removed to west of the Mississippi, and all these tribes walked their own trail of tears.
Kabir, when the NFL got 'WOKE', it was insensitive to call a team such a demeaning name! ;)
California not city
Do you think Natives decided to bend to European name? History is European perspective.
A Brit explaining US? American history doesnt cover Natives.
😊 French and Spanish were here before Colonists.
The Wokies decided they spoke for the Native Americans and demanded the Washington Red Skins drop the name, even though the Native Americans had no problem with it just as they had no problems with the Cleveland Indians base ball team, but they still had to change their name. Until recently the full name of Rhode Island was Rhode Island and Providence Plantations. It was only in the last year or two that they decided to drop the reference to Providence Plantations.
Liberal white people have a way of messing things up.
Who are these Wokies? Are they people that don't like to sleep?
5:30 West Virginia broke away during the Civil War when the counties in Appalachia sided with the North.
7:12 Yeah, how dare these people who came over with next to nothing and were just trying to survive didn't keep accurate records! If you're gonna get upset at the settlers not keeping records, then you also have to get upset at the natives for not keeping records.
It's sad how much I learn about my own country by watching this stuff. I guess our schools don't teach as much as they could, although they would probably have to keep us in schools years longer than they already do I guess.