A Flawed but Satisfying Sequel | Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2: Retrospective Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- After completing the Marvel Ultimate Alliance 1 Retrospective, I was eager to continue on with its sequel; Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2! In this retrospective, I go over some of the history behind it's development, discuss its differences from the first game (both good and bad), and how I think it fared overall. The Marvel Ultimate Alliance series is one of my all-time favorite franchises and we have a lot to discuss for this second game, so I hope you'll join me in revisiting Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2.
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Seeing Carnage standing with the heroes during the speech made me laugh.
I enjoyed that a lot too lol
Same fam...good times
Lol right one of Marvel's biggest murderers
oh the cheesy irony later on.
"Dont mind me, im just plotting how im gonna dismember each of you as painful and bloody as possible... Cheers!"
It’s unfortunate that this game’s remaster (as well as the first game’s remaster) were overpriced and then taken off the marketplaces. But I’m glad I grabbed them when I did. I remember playing both games a lot as a kid, and even to this day I still play these games often. The gameplay is nothing special, but it’s nostalgic and definitely can be immersive if you let it. Solid review for a solid game!
Thank you! I remember feeling the same way when it released. Definitely felt overpriced for what they gave, but I’m glad I eventually fell to the temptation lol.
SAME!!! I was watching a youtuber do a play through review and once he mentioned a re-released upscaled mua1 and 2, within 10 seconds of the beginning I ran to the market place on xbox and bought them as I missed out the first time on the carnage dlc for mua2. Glad I did as they removed them again from the market place...so happy I capitalize on the opportunity!!
I was able to get the games a couple months ago
@@2in1ziggi Then you got yourself a good piece of marvel gaming. I prefer playing mua1 over mua2 but I'm having a blast with mua3 just the grind is real though.
wish I knew ab the opportunity 🥲 really have been wanting to play these games lately
One thing i truly hated about this game was the lack of actual cutscenes. In the first game there was a mission briefing with a collection of heroes exchanging dialogue, here you just get a slideshow. Also i with they would have just gone full on civil war with the game. Story wise i feel that part of the story was the best part of the game. Why not just do that then?
Wow speedball turns out to be a crazy character.
Seeing the final speech pop up it kills me because mine had Venom and Green goblin
Absolutely loved this game back in the XBOX 360 days. I still want a modern remake of this and the first, together as one retail game (but obviously separate games/campaigns as they were originally).
Honestly I've said it since day 1 and I will still stand by my opinion even now but MUA 2 is better than MUA 1.
Why do you think that?.
Please make note of these!
I really enjoyed this game. I just wish the MCU used it for costume reference. One of my favorite things was collecting and listening to the audio logs. If they ever make one more, I'd like them to add Reptil.
UA1 was better imo.
I wish that would get a prerelease with the xmen legends games
I really appreciated how bosses had animations when you punched rather than just being static whenever you hit them like in the first one.
Yup
Yeah that was annoying
It always bothered me that Iron Man and Mr. Fantastic basically turn the Villians into a slave army and no one has a problem with it.
I guess the writer did that because he thought no one would side with cap, so it was his way of trying to make it more morally gray. The problem was that a lot of people understood cap's perspective, so it just made iron man the bad guys.
@@phabiorules wait, why would they think that no one would side with cap?
@@keelanbarron928 because he's boring
@@keelanbarron928 Iron Man has a robot suit. That makes him more interesting to me then Cap.
To be fair, imagine if someone killed a relative of yours.
Would you feel any sympathy towards that person if they were turned into a puppet?
Personally I'd like that person to be dead period, but killing their minds its the next best thing, at least their bodies can be useful.
Fun fact, apparently as an April Fools joke, Aunt May was announced as a character for the game.
This game is my childhood. While I will admit it is very flawed, the 1st game and its sequel got me into Marvel. Hell without it I probably wouldn't know who Deadpool or Penance was.
Edit: also I love Venom and Deadpool's voice in this game.
Aunt May and her rolling pin of JUSTICE is beyond Galactus.
Venom just sounds really funny when he dies
wanna hear something cool: Deadpools Voice Actor in this is actually someone pretty Low-Key famous, John Kassir AKA the F--k Mothering *CRYPT KEEPER* from tales from the crypt as well as The Atom in the 90's JLA pilot.
Yeah Marvel Ultimate Alliance is by far the biggest reason for Deadpool becoming popular and put into the mainstream
@@denistuohy2535 Which is crazy, that's how I found out about him and so did my little brothers 😂
I was playing this game over the weekend and thought to myself "its pretty dumb that the game built around mixing and matching characters would be bogged down by a civil war that splits the roster in half"
Do you think you would have preferred the Galactus storyline set up by the previous game instead?
@@alwaysnerdyretros Probably.
I agree with your points about Nano Nick fury too.
He's a very rushed and forced villain and He's a horrible secret unlockable because that means we can never play with the regular Fury
@@BaithNa Ok I’m glad I’m not the only one who feels that way! It’s especially upsetting when you see normal Nick Fury as an AI teammate during the beginning of the game 😢
@@alwaysnerdyretros Yup. I feel with a bit more time the game could have loads of more content
@@qman2061 agreed. The first game everyone had 4 costumes (except moonknight who had 3) that weren't pallet swaps
I will 8/10 go for anti-registration, it’s more than just the characters you get, but I personally believe in cap’s side.
same
100%
Preach
I mean Iron Man becomes a govt cop & hero fascist so it’s kind of one sided
I never got to beat the game last-Gen though knew all what happened, hopefully it’s not too late to go back and play it and beat it still
I've thought about this a lot over the years, but I think the big reason this game didn't resonate with players as much as the first comes down to one thing: Players feeling like they're less free to choose. In the first game you felt so free to play the game how you wanted. A big roster that equally shows off the different corners of the Marvel Universe (at the time) to the point where when replaying the game years later, I had such a hard time choosing who to play as at any given moment because the entire roster was so solid. We had way more costumes to choose from, with said costumes offering stat bonuses unique to that costume. We had dozens of different abilities per character to mix and match to our hearts' content, and unique gear items to further enhance the stats of our choosing.
But what do we get for the sequel? A slightly smaller roster that yeah admittedly covers the main bases as far as Avengers, X-Men and Fantastic Four but no interesting wild cards like Blade or Moon Knight, which mainly stems from them building the roster to fit the story instead of the other way around. We only get one alternate costume per character, with no unique bonuses, we're stuck with the same four abilities for each character instead of being able to build them the way we see fit.
Whether the dev team intended it to come off this way or not, the game sends the message that we have to play it the way *they* want us to play it, not how we want to play.
Plus a lot of the characters were locked for the majority because of the civil war thing. Though I will disagree on saying that this game doesn't have any wild cards. I was pleasantly surprised to see underrated comic characters like penance or songbird, especially songbird because she is so awesome, featured.
The funny thing is I also had the PS2 version of this game at one point as well as for the PS3, and it actually had Blade in it. That was the very first time I even saw him. I believe it also had Psylocke as a freebie in there too. 👍
@@TH-camPredalien Blade was in UA1 as well. It was so many characters that you could find or rescue that would join the roster. I had my all black team for a while on UA1. Storm, Luke Cage, Blade, and either Black Panther or the Black Nick Fury(which was a costume option awesomely!) You just didn’t have much to explore and find and look for in the 2nd one.
@@Yungbratha Interesting. 👌
Agreed
Reed was SUCH a disappointment to me in this story arc. His whole reasoning to side with the SRA in order to protect Susan was just so... drastic. I love that they gave Susan a voice line to say against Reed when you choose anti-reg cause she was very very disappointed in him after he sided with the bill. But I love these! 10/10 Nerdy :D
Thank you! I liked that she had different perspectives on reed depending on the side you chose too. I may have only got recordings of her on the pro reg side with Reed, but I prefer their conflict on opposite sides
@@alwaysnerdyretros I agree with you. This video you put together was very magnificent. I remember playing the first ultimate alliance game back when I was in middle school at a youth center and it was very fun. I loved your video as well It was very nostalgic to me. 👍
@@M64bros thank you! I really appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment :)
@@alwaysnerdyretros My pleasure
I always thought this was funny in this game and in the comics, its like Sue finally realized what a dick Reed can be; of course him and Hank Pym would take Tony's side.
This is the kinda shit i watch at 3 am while eating shredded cheese by the handful. I love the hell out of the first two, but never saw or heard anything about the third, would you ever cover it?
Yeah I’m working on a retrospective for it now actually. I have a lot of old videos on MUA3 too, but the retrospective will be the most recent
@@alwaysnerdyretros oh shit! Nice!
If you're thinking about getting a switch MUA3 is worth it. It goes back to the MUA1 style game play
@Alexander Capanov yes definitely! I never got to play web of shadows so I’m anxious to try it out. I’d like to start getting into spider-man games sooner rather than later, but idk when exactly just yet
@@brianlegrand9825 I played it. I didn’t really care for it because it’s an old game feel with great graphics. I just wish the avengers game would have all the damn avengers or they make a marvel game. Where there are different stories and online gameplay like hero’s vs villians n shit and they could have a story on each team like X-men avengers fan 4 etc
Seeing Wolverine slaughtering folks next to Cap and Peter in those cutscenes is the funniest thing😂
One thing UA2 took away that was in UA1 are those comic book side missions. I really enjoyed having to go through those missions with your solo hero
I didn’t played UA1 but I think the game is called Ultimate *alliance* for something the point of the game was to played with friends or in my case I played with my brother so it wouldn’t make sense to have some solo missions
@@idkwhattoputhere-4007 Some people would play solo with one hero for the challenge
@@idkwhattoputhere-4007 Well if you had played UA1, you would've known that even if you were playing the solo missions, they had multiplayer support. One player played the hero while the other played the enemies and it was honestly sometimes more fun to try out being the enemies and experiencing how they play
I love how the insane serial killer Carnage is standing quietly on stage instead of slaughtering and devouring everyone in sight.
Nanites+He turned good at one point in the comics
WHAT HOW AND WHEN?@@varsanctonvstheworld.8787
The Avengers game wishes it could be as good as ultimate alliance
Fax lol. I was so close to buying it a couple days ago but I said fuck it and bought ua2 instead. My childhood game. (Along w skate 3 lol) this game is just so damn good. I need to play the 1st one. Never had it but played it a few times. Any good?
@@jimink3047 Its very good and in my opinion its better than the second one.
I mean it looks like marvels avengers is going in a good direction rn especially with the new black panther dlc which has no reused assets at all and it has a longer campaign than before
@@GeesGurger yeah. They had such a bad launch for Star Wars Bf2 and they made the dlc free basically. And that’s like the biggest comeback in gaming. Marvel has the opportunity to have that big comeback if they make some characters free. Idk what the game is like. I don’t have it. And I don’t plan on getting it if I have to pay for all this shit to play as some characters. I’ll stick with ultimate alliance and X-men legends
@@jimink3047 All the characters are free so are the dlc expansions, but if you ever did want to get the game I’d get it if it was on sale because it’s not worth $60
I remember the devs of this game saying they only did 1 additional costume for budget reasons. They said they could do multiple low-quality skins or 1 high-quality skin.
Oh really? I hadn’t seen that. It would definitely make sense though. I guess I would prefer the 1 high quality skin over multiple poor ones too
@@alwaysnerdyretros Maybe if they had more time we could have both
I’m 100% anti-registration. My biggest issue concerning the registration isn’t the act itself but the attitudes of the civilians responsible for it. While, yes, the New Warriors were careless and irresponsible, it was the villains who made the decision that killed thousands of lives. Blaming the heroes for the actions of the villains, for me, turns the issue from a “freedom vs security” viewpoint to a “freedom vs convenience” one.
I'm anti reg as well, but the fault does also rest of the New Warriors even if it's mostly on Nitro. The idea of registration is that the new warriors and heroes on their level shouldn't legally be able to take on threats like Nitro who can kill on such a large scale, which i get even if I'm against registration
tbh if not for the criminal acts of the Reg side I'd probably be with them, looking at it from a civilian side. But tbf, it's not exactly unheard of for normal people to blame "authority" police figures just doing their job, even if a lot of it in irl generally is their fault.
@@darknessknows1235 you’re right, and that’s makes it even more frustrating.
I'm 100% anti registration because I'm always 100% against government. If there's government, I'm against.
I agree with Strange honestly. Both sides are right and wrong. There needs to be accountability. But also super heros are heros. They save people and the world and deserve a bit of trust. There isn't a correct side. Cap sees this in the end too when he surrenders after seeing how lost him and Tony become.
For suck a shitty movie, it surprises me just how good Origins Wolverine the game was! Between the battle damaged clothes, growing battle damage in Logan and overall 8mproved story for the film!
Imagine being controlled by the symbiote and the nanites fighting for dominance
Like how😂😂😂😂?
Simple, they made nanites for the symbiotic as well. Drugs that weaken a symbiote‘s will exist in the marvel universe.
If I remember right, about the costumes, the developer basically said "instead of getting 4 generic alternate costumes, you get one really high quality one" or something along those lines. Basically 4 "low effort" costumes or 1 high quality. Personally I don't remember UA1 costumes being bad, and they were more than color swaps for the most part. UA2 costumes are ok, just not terribly exciting. Also, the gear system probably would have worked better if medals buff the team, while still having gear for individual characters.
The costumes in MUA1 were a lot less detailed because of the graphical limitations, so I'm assuming that's what they meant by "low quality"
“I doubt that things will ever be how they used to be.”
“No, but that doesn’t mean they can’t be good again.”
Well holy crap if that doesn’t relate to how the world is right now I don’t know what does
I remember I HATED Maria Hill when I was a kid because of this game 😂
Ditto
Me too. I'm glad mcu made her likeable
Now she's dead lmao @@jakeriese4862
I know those comment old but when the movie adaptation was released I was expecting Maria Hill to have a bigger role and basically become like this character but im happy that didn’t happen
I know those comment old but when the movie adaptation was released I was expecting Maria Hill to have a bigger role and basically become like this character but im happy that didn’t happen
I actually read in a Game Informer interview with the developers that the reason for the lack of costumes in 2 is primarily due to the graphics. Since 2 was primarily developed for the HD 360 and PS3, each individual model for characters cost more time and money. I think lack of budget from Activision might've also compounded into the more lackluster cutscenes. Loved the review btw.
Or just laziness
@@cerromeceo dude game devs are anything but lazy. theyre exploited like crazy, working overtime. they gotta prioritize
@@aryan7767 naw they just lazy
@@cerromeceo agree they was just lazy
@@aryan7767 still not a excuse
No One:
Stan Lee:.....
“You Hero’s are okay in my book...”
I love this game so much(I hope MUA4 goes back to a similar form of storytelling with all the unique dialogue and such)
MUA4 should be multi-platform, especially PC.
@@fertilebeef802 aight we riot if that doesn’t happen
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 I’ll supply the torches.
@@fertilebeef802 I actually never got to beat the MUA’s on last Gen and kept forgetting to get around to them. Hopefully it ain’t too late to go back and play in future
And camera angles.
I really thought Galactus was going to bring the heroes together after the Civil War section. Instead we got nanites....
@@NeightrixPrime 100%. And what's worse, government evilness is bankrolled with money they steal from me and you.
If you talk to Thor at the beginning of the game, he says he beat Galactus offscreen
I love this game, especially the art style and civil war aspect
Yea that’s why this game is unique it has that rough and Batman kinda art style
If Raven Software made Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2, it would have been amazing. I love the first one for the original story, and I LOVED X-Men Origins Wolverine the video game. I played that so many times and the combat was extremely awesome, as well as Wolverine's healing factor and his shirt getting dynamically damaged through gameplay.
After you beat the game and talk to stan lee using deadpool he'll ask why is there 2 of him there
Oh really? I’ll have to try that out now 😆
I've only had time to watch five minutes so far, but as someone whose name is in the credits, I look forward to checking out the rest! Loved how you showed the actual comic panels along with the onscreen actions. I actually wanted them to be more on the nose with the dialogue, but Vicarious Visions (rightly) pointed out that the changes they made were better for the purpose of actual spoken dialogue.
I like your theory for why the FUSION was dropped. I can't say for sure not being at Activision, but I think they dropped it simply to simplify the title.
I don't know when I'll have a chance to watch more, but I look forward to when I do.
Oh wow I wasn’t aware you had a hand in the game! I’d be very interested to hear more of your insights! I’m sure you’d be able to answer some of the “whys” to decisions that were made in the game.
I'm actually NOT sure I'll know the answers. 😀 But I'll let you know if I do (and so long as I'm not breaking an NDA).
@@cbake76 oh yes definitely respect the NDA! Can I ask what your role was on the game?
@@alwaysnerdyretros Finally was able to watch the rest! Great work! Not a ton to relay, but these did occur to me:
39:49: The part about Skrulls in the ticker was a direct nod to Secret Invasion, which was in the works during this game's development and is the "true" point of reconciliation in the comics. There was a brief push to get Vicarious Visions to do Secret Invasion instead of their nanite story, but it just wasn't practical for the production schedule.
That reminds me: I didn't see it, but there's also a ticker nod to "the Galactus crisis" -- an indication that the tease at the end of MUA1 happened in between MUA1 and MUA2. (Totally forgot about the Thor line!) It wasn't "leaving the door open for a third game," though -- it was simply an acknowledgement that probably meant nothing unless you happened to beat and MUA1 and remember the stinger. Civil War was HOT at the time, and there was a lot of passion in adapting it. (In retrospect, it would have been cool if they had done Galactus instead of nanites, though...) For what it's worth, I don't recall ANY criticism about not being a Galactus story at the time.
The reason there were fewer costumes was because the developers felt that having one costume that looks better than the three in MUA1 (which I agree they do -- sounds like you don't? 😀) was more important. It took more resources to create them.
I look forward to seeing similar pieces on other games I may have worked on... 😀
Oh! Also worth noting... The Marvel Pinball table for Civil War is even more comics-accurate than MUA2, with lots of "talky" Cap/Iron Man scenes adapted word for word. Check it out sometime if you're up for it...
Sadly the X-Men legends and Marvel Ultimate Alliance games were far more enjoyable than the more recent versions of this type of game like Gotham Knights and Marvel's Avengers.
One thing I liked about about MUA 1 that I don't think happened in the sequel (it's been years so forgive me if I'm wrong) was the little side missions and choices that had huge impacts on the universe. If you don't save a computer the Legacy Virus runs rampant, save Senator Kelly and he has a change of heart on mutants. It didn't effect the gameplay but I remember feeling guilty when I missed a few
I remember the graphics used to be "real life"
11:21 Man... I sure do miss Stan Lee. A TRUE KING OF CAMEOS. Excelsior!
Goddamn it bothered me so much how Reed Richards gets away with causing this whole shit just cause he was part of the pro-registration side.
yeah i remember Reed being my least favorite character in this game, he really rubbed me the wrong way
@@rodanandme Maria hill sucked in this too
I like mua 2 less than the original. The 3 biggest reasons are having to unlock Hulk and Thor, the civil war being to short, and Nanite Nick Fury.
the whole nanite thing sucked
Nanite Nick Fury is the worst final boss of the trilogy.
You made me understand the story line so much more this game is really good I might replay it later
Thank you and you definitely should! The gameplay is still really enjoyable
Me to 😍
@@alwaysnerdyretros is Namirita who attacked Nitro the same one as who helps Namor in Alantis
31:27 Seeing Carnage there while Tony makes his speech is hilarious knowing what Carnage is xD
I didnt even realize this was a new upload. I've been watching so many of your videos I just assumed TH-cam was recommending me more of your videos.
Hahaha 😂 Good timing! Thanks for checking it out btw
I'm digging this look back on these games. Even though it's not an old game, I think it would be interesting to see your take on Ultimate Alliance 3, just to round out the series. In the same vein, I'd love to see more content made about the X-Men Legends games. I played both of them so much when they came out.
Thank you for the suggestions! I’m actually working on mua3 now so that’ll be the next one up. Right now I’m thinking Marvel Nemesis will follow that and then maybe X-men Legends 1. I love the legends games too so I definitely plan on getting to them soon!
i do have respect for all the MUA despite their endless flaws
but Nothing, NOTHING can ever compare with X-MEN LEGENDS 1 and 2
i play them almost every day still this date
and yes it is such CRIME to humanity that Legends 3 haven't happened yet
ACTIVISION showed they can do real great games back in those days
Agreed! Legends 1 has the better story-driven gameplay along with the feeling of beign a part of the X-Men. Legends 2 was super rushed but still has one of the best playable versions of Magneto and Juggernaut, along with the more replayability of the entire saga.
MUA1 is really good too with lots of variety, different characters and the plot was interesting... But come on Marvel, get the mutants some love!
It's ironic that in most versions of MUA it's impossible to make an "X-Men team" even when they were who started the franchise lol
@The King Channel It would be awesome! But I personally think the original creators should be involved (Raven Software), otherwise some of the quality is just not gonna be there.
To me it's XML2 > MUA > XML > MUA 2 > MUA 3
ur vids makes me wanna start playing marvel games again. haha great job, hope ur having a blessed day.
Hahah you should! Have a blessed day yourself and thank you for commenting
I agree, I felt the scale of the story just wasn't as interesting as the one in the first game.
What I really love is:
SPOILERS
After defeating the final boss in new game plus you can play as him in his boss form and it feels grand to use.
Theres something sweetly grandfather like to Stan Lee's Reasoning that's is just so sweet
My biggest issues with this game (other than the subpar story and cinematics) it's the fact that the game about the ultimate alliance is a game about that alliance spliiting up. Now that also deals with how I'm not a fan of the civil war story in general
I remember riding my bike all the way to Walmart to purchase this game and being so excited to play it. Good times
@Alexander Capanov what movie?
@Alexander Capanov the invincible iron man ?
@Alexander Capanov what was it called?
Man i wish the remasters were still available Ive wanted to replay this for years
Yeah :-/ I didn’t even know they did a remaster
@02JR Swag Activision lost the publishing rights and cannot legally sell the game anymore.
Suck they won’t make this no more
I never realized how much I dislike the Voice Actor choices for some of the characters in this game. Like Jim Cummings as Thor. I like him as a voice actor, but damn, he is an awful choice for Thor.
It was definitely disappointed!!! The civil war storyline just wasn’t nearly as awesome as the Masters of Evil in the first game. MUA 1 had the heroes traveling the universe and back. Felt so massive and epic. MUA 2 felt too self contained and limited.
Seems the first game is the best of the series
Marvel Legends 2, the combo system of light, heavy attacks and combine with powers
I loved this game but my biggest problem was how short it was and the fact that I missed some of my main characters from the first game like doctor strange, ghost rider, moon knight and colossus
It's really disappointing that there are characters that show up in game that you can't be play as such as war machine, she hulk etc.
you make some quality content my friend
I appreciate you saying that 😃
I wouldn’t necessarily say that Cap’s ending is a what if scenario, the hero registration act was eventually repealed, it’s just that in game it’s a lot earlier.
That Stan Lee quote hit me so fucking hard. Being a real superhero means never turning bad. God rest that man's soul.
Didn't Daredevil side with cap in the comics?
Yeah, the only heroes that join or leaves are Cap, Mr. Fantastic Tony, Iron Fist, Luke Cage and Song Bird, the rest go with the choice you pick, including Spider Man with Anti Reg
I thought the voice actors in MUA 2 were mostly poor choices (especially Thor). Meanwhile, in The Original MUA I felt like all the voices matched well with the characters.
I really loved playing this game, whilst 2006's Civil War isn't one of my favourite events I sure do enjoy playing Role-Playing games and having different characters on my team. Probably my favourite part was unlocking Norman Osborn's Thunderbolts.
I love how there's two separate cutscenes where lady Deathstrike gets absolutely CLOCKED
It was the lack of costumes and lack of characters that ruined it for me. Characters in the first one were more diverse from marvel history.
I loved Penance so much just cause i thought he was so out of place in the game but also because of his awesome abilities.
10:55 Huh. Venom says "my" and not "our". I thought Marvel Nemesis was the only game that didn't remember/understand how Venom's supposed to be written. I've beaten MUA2 dozens of times. But, I've never played as Venom at this point in the game. Great catch, Nerdy!
Venom in MUA1 referred to himself as a single person a lot too
@@daking5173 Aww. :(
That Venom in MUA2 is Mac Gargon AKA Scorpion
I'll always prefer the first Ultimate Alliance over this. At least in that game you were going on a grand adventure and fight named enemies.
For anyone wondering about Galactus, Thor mentioned that he had prevented him from coming to Earth but didn't go into detail about how, only tells the player it's a story he will tell another time.
It was mentioned in the video.
@@jackychang9148 you commented
I want to know how anybody can HONESTLY choose Iron man's side without it being about playing their sides characters? The guy is literally calling for the stripping of people's free will.
Yeah ngl it was the characters
@@NeightrixPrime true, I forgot how absolutely brain dead some people are. It's shockingly unbelievable
@@NeightrixPrime the oppressed's desire is to become the oppressor
Most people are garbage, most of the atrocities governments did through history would not happen if there wasn't enough people willing to take part on it.
It baffled my mind as a kid, and I'm still blown away that they decided to adapt Civil War for this.
They took a game that was entirely built on the premise of mixing and matching your favourite heroes and travelling to locations that run the depth and breadth of the Marvel Universe, and decided to focus on a story that splits the roster up and keeps them grounded in the states.
We also lose out on great characters like Blade, Doctor Strange, Ghost Rider and Silver Surfer, since they don't belong here, and get smaller characters like Penance and Songbird.
The fact that the game diverges from the story of Civil War is clearly the team wanting to let you mixup all your characters.
I think Civil War was just a flat out bad story for the kind of game this is. A Civil War fighting game would be awesome. Doesn't work here.
(The fact that they dropped the Fusion title because it doesn't fit the story is kind of the perfect example. If you don't think 'Fusion' is a good title for your game because the heroes are split up, maybe the story doesn't suit a game called 'Ultimate Alliance')
This game should have just been a story about Galactus attacking, which would force heroes and villains to work together.
Agree especially since at the end of marvel ultimate alliance galactus was going to get revenge
@@WowSuchGaming2009 Exactly! Was such a perfect set up to force the heroes and villains to team up. Plus, we could have gone to even more planets and alternate dimensions, looking for allies and weapons to battle Galactus.
I enjoyed MUA2 well enough, cause it was still an isometric ARPG with Marvel characters. But it still feels like a letdown after the cosmic level events and story set up from 1.
@@kellymccabe9154 true
@@kellymccabe9154 a reason for heroes and villains to team up? Yeah you're onto something there. They already laid the groundwork having Carnage, Green Goblin and Venom as playable characters in MUA2 so I wonder if that was the original idea during the early stages of development if Galactus was meant to stay as the main villain.
Ultimate Alliance 3 would be an interesting retrospective video.
I should probably do MUA3 to wrap up the ultimate alliance series. I’m mostly debating on if it will be next, or if I’ll have it release around the time of MUA3’s 2 year anniversary. If I do that, I might cover marvel nemesis in between
@@alwaysnerdyretros Makes sense.
Marvel nemesis plz
I'm glad that UA3 came back to the artistic look.
To me, honestly, Cap doesnt look like he aged all that well
@@TheVamxie that's a good freakin game! Gosh that felt so long ago
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Iron Man: From now on, our alliance will be forged in trust, not in fear or force.
Carnage: 🙂
I would love to see a Marvel Nemesis Retrospective Review, I used to play that game so much during my childhood
I did the same! It definitely had some charming qualities. I think that’ll be the second retrospective I do after MUA3
Marvel Nemesis was one of my favourite PS2 games. The finishers were brutal...
"RRRRRGHHHHARRRGH!!!! RARGH!!RARGH!! RARGH!! RRRAAAAARRRGH!!!!
I tried to be nice"
- Wolverine
" Now you see me..now you don't ".
The main theme of that game is forever ingrained into my mind because I played it so much.
I played this on the PSP and I was really disappointed. MUA1 on the PSP is a phenomenal game, highly detailed and clearly made with a lot of attention to detail. MUA2 though, feels like it's unfinished and it feels really sloppy.
Also on all versions, the cinematics are rubbish compared to the ones in MUA1 (which are incredible)
from curiosity I tried to search for information on the development for the PSP version, to see if it was rushed and in fact unfinished, but I couldn't find any information about it.
I'm pretty sure it was the case though.
I think having galactus as this game’s villain would be odd since you already beat him
The galactus we fought in the first game was no where near full power
Then they ended it by saying Thor beat him which blows I was like bro the story be so awesome to fight Galatus again but it is what it is
@@sparrowblack841 yeah and it would also let there be more cosmic characters something in which the first game was sorely lacking
@@andreahope7254 The second game was good but it was a lot more grounded, I prefer the first purely because its huge and there are so many different locations to explore
My childhood.
How did you get those dlc characters haha. I just booted up the old ps3 to give this a crack. Would love to play as Black Panther. Great vid dude
Thank you! All of these are from the remaster. I think Black Panther is in PS3 too?
I think if anything they should've kept with the original ending to how civil war ended and basically set up a series of games like literally in marvel comics we went from the disassemble era,new avengers era,civil war era,registration era,secret war era ,dark reigns era, and the new age if heros era they literally could've made ultimate alliance one of the best superhero coop game series ever
Yessssssss they could've
@@parrishharris3008 But they didn't :(
I’m sorry but during Iron Man’s ending, having Carnage by his side and saying “we heroes” got me laughing
Man... I'll forever love this game and ill never care what anyone says, not only did this game get me into videogames as my first videogame ever but also got me into marvel as a whole. I really wanna play it again soon because I haven't played it in years and I'm just so upset that I can't buy it for PS4 online atleast in my area. I played this game so much and completed it so many times I lost count and I discovered so many other things each time I played, I may have never played the first game or the third but this is the game that made me have the dreams and interests I have today and I'll forever love it with all my heart and Ill never ever in a million years forget it. ❤️
I liked the fusion system... Till I found out that they just recycled the same fusions for different heroes. And I liked that you could choose between pro registration and anti.... Till I found out that both sides mostly had the same missions just with different heores. Basically this game was full of disappointment for me and I enjoyed the first one way more. 😔😔😔
This game was the last time I remember seeing a white Nick Fury
The real Nick Fury
@@markmagician2471 not even being racist, the black one is just Jr.
I think the boss fight was underwhelming was because nothing was building it up. Like fury just shows up out of nowhere and then you defeat him after 1 fight. Also the game felt super short for me, I couldn’t believe it actually ended when it did because it took me about 2 afternoons
I think it was intentionally not too long because it's assumed you'll play through both sides
By far far far and away my favorite and the best “multiplayer” Marvel game
I like this game the least out of all MUA games. Adapting Civil war storyline was a mistake in my opinion. First of all It's not the best story in itself, sure the concept is really good! but the execution by Mark Millar is much to desire, characters often act out of character, for example Captain America, is really weird in this book, or Spider-man etc. Approach to story is also very "edgy" at times like in most Millar titles, which dosen't help the superhero feel of the story at all (Marvel Studios movie is way better). And second of all It narrows the story flexabilty, as you can see in this game you are mostly, restriced to playing earthly based marvel characters, same for the maps, there isnt single map in space or other dimension! and these maps were the highlight of last MUA game, Hell, Asgard even Atlantis which had really cool and mysterious vibe! in my opinion Games like MUA should be gameplay first, story second. And here they did the opposite and couldn't even mange a better story then the last one, which had very simplistic story but engaging! Fortunetly they fixed this issue in Third instalment! adding a lot of diffrent characters and maps! and pushing gameplay forward!
Agreed.
Who would have thought Tony and Reed would mess up something and end up making a potentially world ending problem. I’m so shocked. Obviously I’m being sarcastic but man I just couldn’t ever follow Tony’s side
As someone that never played MUA2, it was a nice and funny surprise when Mr. President started taking and Metal Gear Solid's Roy Campbell voice came out of his mouth.
Love the video fantastic work! I really enjoyed the civil war arc but wish they did more with it, perhaps if the game would be made today it would be made to feel more epic
Maybe the Spider-Man games for future retrospectives? Raimi movie tie in ones in particular
Marvel nemesis next please! Think you'd consider tackling DC's attempt at the superhero rpg genre (Justice League Heroes)?
I’ve actually been really in the mood to play Marvel Nemesis, so that might be the one I go with next. I never thought about justice league heroes but that’s a really good suggestion. I’ll see if I can get my hands on it. I used to have it as a kid but I think I sold it to GameStop 🤦♂️
@@alwaysnerdyretros lol i recently bought a ps2 slim and those were some of the first games i was lucky enough to find. A marvel nemesis sequel with a more robust combat system, better visuals, more characters and online multiplayer is one of my dream games i know will never happen.
I never really liked the combo attacks, there aren't really that many of them. In the first one they were all unique to the characters.
To me the best parts of this game was playing as villains and the fusions. I will always love battling different characters as well so I'm not sure I'd say one game is better than the other in that field. I felt there wasn't as many unique dialogue options as the 1st game and the levels definitely were inferior. I'd actually go back and play 1 more than 2... mainly because the Destroyer Armor boss fight can be used as a grinding area to just have fun with powers.
that Red Hulk costume is literally the worst thing ive ever seen. It looks like one of those deep fried shitpost memes where Hulk is gonna "return to monke" or something
Rip Stan Lee🙏🏽🙏🏽 that cameo is so hilarious never knew
The voice acting choices in the second game are so lackluster compared to the first. Cap and Thor both look and sound like old men.
Well they both technically are
Hulk stood around for a press conference?... CARNAGE WAS AT THE PRESS CONDFERENCE?!
There wasnt a whole lot of build up for much of anything in this story. In UA1 the story was always focused on and moving toward one goal: Defeating Doom who was growing too powerful. This game just sorta jumps around even if they lead into each other. There wasnt an outlined goal you were working toward that ever lasted more than a few missions in this game.