The US occupied Japan and Europe for decades after WWII. However, Israel is not allowed to deal that way with its mortal enemies? Gadi is right, I'm afraid.
Interesting how people claim Jews have so much power and influence/control but over the past year it seems that Jews are actually quite powerless in many realms.
pal arabs are unique in all of arab and muslim world (which itself in a lot of trouble). its the one place where nationalism is aligned with islamism 90% of the time. in most places nationalism is against islamism in 50-60-70 % of the issues depending on country. for this reason its impossible to contest islam in their minds more than anywhere else. pal arabs are also unique in that an absurd amount of money keeps getting thrown at them but economy remains non-existent.
@@kacicapurro1501 This basic point about Islamic extremIsm’s root cause, that being the proselytizing of the population from birth, cannot be over stressed, but many western leaders simple cannot grasp it or they do because they agree with this POV.
@ Call me naive, but Mike is not naive to think that all Palestinians are not jihadis. When you live in a society like Gaza you have no choice but to comply to stay alive. Given some alternative education and choice you’re going to find they are people like any other people. Governments have done the worst imaginable things but that doesn’t make all their citizens culpable. Mr. Doran became well known as an wise voice In international relations because he was a contrarian to the stablished order and called out policy mistakes before they happened. If he was naive he’d currently be an advisor to that naive fool who sits in the Oval.
I think this deal is an empty political ploy. I agree 100% with Gadi.on all the points. Whatever happened to " We do not negotiate with terrorists.." What happened to Trump's threat. It seems hollow to me. I think Mike has been spending too much time with the Turks. Gadi is correct. Having said that I enjoy the civil disagreements.between Gadi and Mike.
You guys are a joy to listen to in such dark times for Israel. Keep it coming and stay sane for us trying to survive in the Minestrone world of politics ⛳
Dear Mike, I think the main difference between Palestinian and Saudi youth is that the former have been told by the Arab world that they exist to fight israel, and it is their holy duty to fight israel to restore the prestige Muslims held in the land. This infuses their lives with deep spiritual meaning and purpose. You should check out the various interview with a Gaza convert to Judaism Yaron Avraham, who explains how he was “trained” to fight israel from a young age, doing things like lying in a grave to get used to death when he was a young child. Great show as always, you are both brilliant, thank you!
Israel was not built on Saudi Arabian land, so it makes sense. Palastinain need their self determination, Rabin was right all along. The world had enough of this mess.
@@someone-w9n - the crappiest lands, which the Jews purchased and made into gardens. More Arabs then migrated there to share in the prosperity. When the Arabs attacked, Israel rightly too more land. Rinse and repeat.
I know, Right?! I was thinking that maybe Trump is just buying Time til this admin is out!! Then afterwards he’d tell them kick butts! But I don’t think we should give Palestine any more money - their own people can take care of them ( the Arabs).
If we follow the arguments of Tucker Carlson and his acolytes, and the U.S. retreat entirely from the middle east, I believe it will accelerate the decline of the US as the superpower. On the other hand, that decline seems inevitable. So in the end, Trump or Biden, democrats or republicans, what difference does it make? Israël, you will end up on your own, act accordingly. Very unimpressed with Trump here.
At last it's Gadi-day! And Mike's. Thank you for such informed, deep analysis of all in Israel, ME, USA. Andintelligent discussion.You're such a breath of fresh air. So look forward to your version of sane each week. ❤🙏🙏👍👍👍👍👍
Mike may not have full understanding of the depth of the islamic religious jihadist ideology. I think it is impossible for rational people who have not been immersed in the Middle East culture from birth!
I think you’re partially correct that most people outside the Middle East won’t have the depth of knowledge and experience to truly grasp Middle Eastern society, politics and religion, but one doesn’t need to be an expert to know that one side teaches its children to hate, kill and die and the other side doesn’t. That’s enough to know right from wrong.
I am worried about the power of the isolationists in the decision making process of the Trump Administration. I sense an anti-Israel component to this troubling development. Perhaps Mike will expand on this snd name names. I fear that the VP is one of them. Barry Shaw, Israel Institute for Strategic Studies.
It is not a "deal". It is sickening surrender to Hamas. They are "pressing" Hamas to accept a gift - 1300 terrorists for 33 people. Any idiot will do immeasurably better on any oriental bazaar - these negotiators are a tragic joke. There was another exchange of Sinwar and more than 1000 of terrorists for a single soldier - we all know what happened on Oct 7.
Mike, is erdogan letting the "good hamas" or the "bad hamas" reside in turkey? You seem to have a unique classification system for members of a terrorist organization so I'd appreciate you applying your logic to the hamas members which live in turkey with erdogan's blessing.
Mike is so American clueless in the sense that with all of his academic expertise on the middle east, it seems that he will never dig Middle eastern mentality!!
Saudi Arabia rabia is a nation with prosperity and power. They value their country. Hamas was and is without any values besides their fight. Incomparable.
Michael, your insight is so organic, in depth, and unerring that I'm surprised you get Gaza/Hamas so wrong. You have the bravery and conviction to get Turkey and the Syria buffer correct but you want to pretend that Hamas isn't fully ingrained in the strip. There is no "weeding out" the shahid from quiescent mandatorily affiliated citizens and you should know better. You cannot overcome full ideological capture simply because people want to get on with their lives. (to expose my biases, I am American, Protestant, veteran, and have lived in Israel for a few years previously)
Your podcast was recommended to me by Spotify as a "You May Also Like" they were spot on. I spent the weekend listening to all of your old shows and your analysis was proven correct 9/10 times. I was very happy when your show was also on TH-cam so I could see what your faces look like. Now I recommend to show to all my Jewish Conservative Friends. I love the banter back and forth between you both and thats what the secret sauce is that make it different than all the rest. Now if you would just mention my comment I would bebin heaven and recommend your show even more. PS. Mike is more right than Dan about Turkey. It was a very interesting debate though. Well thought out arguments on both sides.
Why does Israel refuse to simply assert its rights to Gaza and Judea and Samaria, based on the Mandate? Egypt and Jordan illegally invaded and occupied those Israeli territories, and now that it’s clear no Arab entity in those areas is willing to live in peace, Israel has the right to retake the territory. It also has a right to demand the expulsion of those who refuse to recognize Israeli sovereignty over those areas. Millions of ethnic Germans were expelled and returned to Germany, after WW II, because people in many European countries didn’t trust ethnic Germans to be loyal citizens, after what the Nazis had done. It’s no different, and Israel has more than enough evidence that people in these areas cannot be trusted.
Also I think it is wise for America and Israel to work together on this anti Jihad project. In America certain small villages are quietly being taken over. Check it out this is not a Conspiracy.
Regarding Saudia the present leader put all his family leaders who apposed him into home arrest. He imprisoned others and changed the clergy. As well as, changed certain laws allowing women more freedom. He succeeded because he was head of state and neutralized opposition. In other words used force, people didn't just change. Who knows what will happen under different leadership in the future. This is not an organic change that usually happens in western countrues more open and less religious.
As an Israeli I agree with Gadi. As a French patriot against the progressist globalist and conquering Islam agenda ,I agree with Gadi Taub with due respect to M.Michael Doran.
Hi Guys, Mike, I agree with Gadi it is going to be hard to get the Islamic bus turned around after it has been heading in one direction for 1400 yrs. Mike you are right about J. D. Sachs "Cherry Picking" 😂 GREAT SHOW GUYS❣️
Mike doesn’t understand that there are no UNindoctrinated jihadists who “just want to live their lives” in Gaza. They are all of the same mentality as Hamas. I’m afraid Mike reads too many articles in the “Catholic Journal”.
I think that we are imposing a narrative and a solution on Israel that makes sense and is easy to explain to people who do not have to personally feel the results. Essentially, this is a solution that is sellable without the requirement to learn any lessons from history other than what is already in circulation. This is pop history of the Middle East 101, with historical references obscured, distorted, and denied. Netanyahu has a lifelong education on what happens when you approach this problem from a Western perspective. It is a perspective that has Israel going through the same motions on a periodic basis with the problem that the enemy, the shapeshifting yet amorphous enemy, is constantly able to work on gaining strength and influence by doing a full court press on Western institutions. We have seen their progress in the tunnels, the weapons stockpiling, the indoctrination of their children, their future fighters, the reduction of Western institutions to absurdity and open irrationality. Again and again, when anyone mentions the situation in Gaza and the problem of the Palestinian Jihad with wide Islamic support, the same cann'ts and don'ts are invoked. No credit is given to those in Israel who actually know what must be done. They are silenced because the solution can only be understood and internalized by someone who understands the mounting danger. It is glaringly obvious that the Jihadis understand that they are on a slow progression toward what can only be a victory for them. When one listens to other Arabs who have the ear of the leadership and the Arab street, it is impossible to overlook the fact that they have not changed their goals at all. Tactics change after they get a beating; but they have already accepted all their losses ahead of any operation. Look how fast Syria and Lebanon have changed the power structures. This was no accident or windfall. Golani did not just walk into Syria and take over by luck. The word was put out to not resist him so that he could put the new plan into place. The losses were accepted; and there is already a rapid implementation of a new battle plan along with a media plan. The only thing moving faster than the takeover of Syria is the media blitz that the new Isis has implemented. They are going to play nice for a while until they get settled; but their talk is about how the Palestinians need to get their land back, and how Israel must be defeated. Western diplomacy is in fantasy land; and that is the strength of the Jihad. Just look how quickly the media respond whenever the terrorists say something that makes sense. They know how to do that; but it is manipulation. It is indeed rare to find anyone anywhere who does not prefer being manipulated to doing anything that will reshuffle the cards. There is probably no harder sell to the American Deep State than to actually do what is necessary. I feel that what happens to Israel foreshadows what is intended to happen to America. Our weapons will not help us if we do not have the experience of internalizing the required shift in understanding the precepts of the general Islamic situation. These regimes everywhere are faced with the problem that if they lose control of their populations, they will lose everything. It will be worse than the French revolution. The attractive toys and ways of the West are not necessary to a despotic Islamic vision of the World. Technological achievements are unimportant to them when compared with their delicate situation. To modernize their people to fit the progress of the rest of the World would be impossible unless all Islamic regimes were to agree and work together. This will not happen unless they are forced into that position like Japan and Germany. The reason Russia and China are involved in such bold behavior is that they understand this fundamental scenario better than the West. They know that we have an incredible and possibly insurmountable series of mental blocks that preclude a solution.
Orange man gave hizballa and hamas the survive gift for free before even entering negotiations with iran. these would have literally been the biggest concessions iran would want.
Gadi made a passionate argument against Mike's Petraeus-COIN strategy for Gaza. But he didn't press Mike on how the mostly reserve IDF is going to occupy Gaza's wily one million in a dense urban jungle and get down in the weeds to the extent of supervising lessons in every classroom. I was with the US Army in Iraq, 07-08, 09-10 and Afghanistan 10-11 with a focus on the terror/organized crime/corruption nexus and rule of law and I don't see it in 20 years.
Could you invite Aimen Dean as a guest to discuss Turkey/Syria etc geopolitics? Selfish hope to hear my audio-interests come together in conversation. Toda rabah! Am israel chai!
Losing land exactly. You do not negotiate with terrorists ‼️‼️‼️. E should. Take over the land and take all the billions being given to Gaza and use it for infrastructure roads hospitals schools and approve the school curriculum nd let those who want to leave to leave and encourage those that don’t want to leave to go as well and to let Jews who want to live there come back to our land. He deal is disgusting
Michael Doran: "I think I understand the Arab world." No one who truly understands any subject with serious depth would be so arrogant to say something like that. Dunning-Kruger effect in action. Embarrassing.
It would be helpful for Mike and Gadi to post a link to the Tablet story on the rise of Iran regime appeasement/realignment in MAGA world. Mike is quite eloquent on this. Some of us are old enough to remember the Brezinski/Gates push for this via their CFR pamphlet in 2004.
Regarding how easy it will be to re-program people: I think Gadi is right, but not all due to their faith. It's because they have a visible enemy in front of them, and their rulers ensure continuing conflict. Unfortunately, there is no good way out of enmity but victory, followed by occupation and supervision over what's taught and preached. Here, Mike is right - it's possible, but will take time.
1.Return the Israeli land to the Israelis who kicked out of Gaza for peace that never came. 2. Take monetary damages from Gaza to pay for the damages of that day in October 3. If there is any other land left over make them military bases 4. What about the palis they are Egyptian and supported by Qatar arent they
Thank u for english updates..... Shocked that your view is pa should be in charge of gaza....welcome to the shomron 2. Wouldn't waste my x anymore listening to a jew that lives in the states.
I can think of no other reason to placate President Trump with regard to the hostages, if not to do with the medium to long term goals regarding Iran. I would also like to think that Israel has a pager like operation planned for the terrorists soon to be released in the deal. Shana tova, gentlemen. I wish you and those you love a very happy 2025. AM YISRAEL CHAI 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
@Mike: Netanyahu is beholden to his American-leaning Chief of Staff who has a special ops background. That's part of the problem as well; so they're continually taking an area and then retreating and moving to the next theater.
and... I can't agree more with Michael about Sachs. Sachs' description of events is just a one-sided carefully crafted l. i. e. One hidden assumption there is that UA (and Eastern Europe more generally). Interestingly. Has no opinion or rights of its own. Supposedly, it is rightfully a tsar's backyard and any attempt to break free is just Western influence. The only question I have is how much... (Must be very sweet!) he got for that "perspective".
The US occupied Japan and Europe for decades after WWII. However, Israel is not allowed to deal that way with its mortal enemies? Gadi is right, I'm afraid.
This is laughable Michael with all due respect to separate Hamas from the General Population. If this is still not understood after all this time…
What you don’t understand is that Israel is a colonial settler unnatural entity. See how it’s ending? No more apartheid regime! Yes!!!
He's a pro-Erdogan shill. He indicated with this episode that he knows nothing.
Vasily Grossman said “Tell me what you accuse the Jews of and I will tell you what you are GUILTY OF .”
Interesting how people claim Jews have so much power and influence/control but over the past year it seems that Jews are actually quite powerless in many realms.
Please differentiate Jews from the Khazarians, check up Khazarian Mafia
Hamas is just a name...we are dealing with Islam.
Please say it LOUDER
Islam is ☪️ancer
of course their book allows taking innocent hostages .... i wonder if they actually thought they could inflict damage on isreal
"but other Islamists claim it does not represent them!"
@@popsy2006Muslim brotherhood 💯
I'm afraid Gadi is right about the depth of the influence of the Hamas mentality, most esteemed Mike. You are not right on this point.
pal arabs are unique in all of arab and muslim world (which itself in a lot of trouble). its the one place where nationalism is aligned with islamism 90% of the time. in most places nationalism is against islamism in 50-60-70 % of the issues depending on country. for this reason its impossible to contest islam in their minds more than anywhere else. pal arabs are also unique in that an absurd amount of money keeps getting thrown at them but economy remains non-existent.
@@kacicapurro1501 This basic point about Islamic extremIsm’s root cause, that being the proselytizing of the population from birth, cannot be over stressed, but many western leaders simple cannot grasp it or they do because they agree with this POV.
Mike is wrong and naive, although he doesn't think so.
@ Call me naive, but Mike is not naive to think that all Palestinians are not jihadis. When you live in a society like Gaza you have no choice but to comply to stay alive. Given some alternative education and choice you’re going to find they are people like any other people. Governments have done the worst imaginable things but that doesn’t make all their citizens culpable. Mr. Doran became well known as an wise voice In international relations because he was a contrarian to the stablished order and called out policy mistakes before they happened. If he was naive he’d currently be an advisor to that naive fool who sits in the Oval.
@@kelebrimbor-fe2rd - good point
Gadi, you are correct about Israel's enemies...don't trust them one inch, or for one second. Stay strong!
I think this deal is an empty political ploy. I agree 100% with Gadi.on all the points. Whatever happened to " We do not negotiate with terrorists.." What happened to Trump's threat. It seems hollow to me. I think Mike has been spending too much time with the Turks. Gadi is correct. Having said that I enjoy the civil disagreements.between Gadi and Mike.
You guys are a joy to listen to in such dark times for Israel.
Keep it coming and stay sane for us trying to survive in the Minestrone world of politics ⛳
Oy I’m afraid to listen to this. Terrified of the consequences of a bad hostage deal.
Sane feeling here
Does not feel like a good deal for Israel !
I fully concur with Gadi's perspective. Michael's focus on "the day after" is premature. Said day will arrive, maybe, in several years from now.
Dear Mike, I think the main difference between Palestinian and Saudi youth is that the former have been told by the Arab world that they exist to fight israel, and it is their holy duty to fight israel to restore the prestige Muslims held in the land. This infuses their lives with deep spiritual meaning and purpose. You should check out the various interview with a Gaza convert to Judaism Yaron Avraham, who explains how he was “trained” to fight israel from a young age, doing things like lying in a grave to get used to death when he was a young child. Great show as always, you are both brilliant, thank you!
Israel was not built on Saudi Arabian land, so it makes sense. Palastinain need their self determination, Rabin was right all along. The world had enough of this mess.
The ar ab mus lims in israel are a tool and an excuse for ji ha di colonialism.
Nothing more.
@@someone-w9n - the crappiest lands, which the Jews purchased and made into gardens. More Arabs then migrated there to share in the prosperity. When the Arabs attacked, Israel rightly too more land. Rinse and repeat.
I feel sick to my stomach , this cant be the end
I know, Right?! I was thinking that maybe Trump is just buying Time til this admin is out!! Then afterwards he’d tell them kick butts! But I don’t think we should give Palestine any more money - their own people can take care of them ( the Arabs).
It is NOT a mistake to analyze Hamas from a religious, top-down ideology! Mike does not “get” that at all!
If we follow the arguments of Tucker Carlson and his acolytes, and the U.S. retreat entirely from the middle east, I believe it will accelerate the decline of the US as the superpower. On the other hand, that decline seems inevitable. So in the end, Trump or Biden, democrats or republicans, what difference does it make? Israël, you will end up on your own, act accordingly. Very unimpressed with Trump here.
Very informative. Thank you.
thank you Gadi and Mike
I've been waiting for this.
Barring unforeseen consequences or events, Trump’s “All hell is going to break loose.” = Biden’s “Don’t.” Similar to Obama’s “Red line.” Pure theatre.
No theater with Trump & hostages
Well, we (Israel) would just need to keep taking care of bussiness ourselves, perhaps Trump atleast won't hold us back.
I really like listening to you guys, feels like I’m sitting with my friends discussing politics and having a laugh while listening 😊
Love you guys
Keep releasing quality videos
gadi and mike you are great !!!
Very interesting episode. Never a dull moment, eh?
Jeffrey Sax is antisemitic & a skilled propagandist😊!
At last it's Gadi-day! And Mike's. Thank you for such informed, deep analysis of all in Israel, ME, USA. Andintelligent discussion.You're such a breath of fresh air. So look forward to your version of sane each week. ❤🙏🙏👍👍👍👍👍
I'm in Iowa---no Jews are here. I miss living in Philadelphia
Mike may not have full understanding of the depth of the islamic religious jihadist ideology. I think it is impossible for rational people who have not been immersed in the Middle East culture from birth!
I think you’re partially correct that most people outside the Middle East won’t have the depth of knowledge and experience to truly grasp Middle Eastern society, politics and religion, but one doesn’t need to be an expert to know that one side teaches its children to hate, kill and die and the other side doesn’t. That’s enough to know right from wrong.
I am worried about the power of the isolationists in the decision making process of the Trump Administration. I sense an anti-Israel component to this troubling development.
Perhaps Mike will expand on this snd name names. I fear that the VP is one of them.
Barry Shaw, Israel Institute for Strategic Studies.
Love you guys
Great show!
thank you
It is not a "deal". It is sickening surrender to Hamas. They are "pressing" Hamas to accept a gift - 1300 terrorists for 33 people.
Any idiot will do immeasurably better on any oriental bazaar - these negotiators are a tragic joke. There was another exchange of Sinwar
and more than 1000 of terrorists for a single soldier - we all know what happened on Oct 7.
תותחים
Thanks for being uplifting!
Mike, is erdogan letting the "good hamas" or the "bad hamas" reside in turkey? You seem to have a unique classification system for members of a terrorist organization so I'd appreciate you applying your logic to the hamas members which live in turkey with erdogan's blessing.
Mike is so American clueless in the sense that with all of his academic expertise on the middle east, it seems that he will never dig Middle eastern mentality!!
Interesting ❤🙏
Saudi Arabia rabia is a nation with prosperity and power. They value their country. Hamas was and is without any values besides their fight. Incomparable.
Great commentary as always chaps!
Allways a great conversation and insights of both, thank you!
Love this podcast!
Very interesting items in this episode. Great 👍👍
Michael, your insight is so organic, in depth, and unerring that I'm surprised you get Gaza/Hamas so wrong. You have the bravery and conviction to get Turkey and the Syria buffer correct but you want to pretend that Hamas isn't fully ingrained in the strip. There is no "weeding out" the shahid from quiescent mandatorily affiliated citizens and you should know better. You cannot overcome full ideological capture simply because people want to get on with their lives.
(to expose my biases, I am American, Protestant, veteran, and have lived in Israel for a few years previously)
Two great guys furiously agreeing. Excellent podcast under the circumstances ....
Thank you for the extra clarity in this channel of important topics ❤
GREAT SHOW, as usual
Update-if Steve Wiskof is involved, then American hostages better be released by noon Monday!
Your podcast was recommended to me by Spotify as a "You May Also Like" they were spot on. I spent the weekend listening to all of your old shows and your analysis was proven correct 9/10 times.
I was very happy when your show was also on TH-cam so I could see what your faces look like.
Now I recommend to show to all my Jewish Conservative Friends.
I love the banter back and forth between you both and thats what the secret sauce is that make it different than all the rest.
Now if you would just mention my comment I would bebin heaven and recommend your show even more.
PS. Mike is more right than Dan about Turkey. It was a very interesting debate though. Well thought out arguments on both sides.
Thank you for your kind note, Rose.
We're glad to learn Spotify helps spreads the word!
Why does Israel refuse to simply assert its rights to Gaza and Judea and Samaria, based on the Mandate? Egypt and Jordan illegally invaded and occupied those Israeli territories, and now that it’s clear no Arab entity in those areas is willing to live in peace, Israel has the right to retake the territory. It also has a right to demand the expulsion of those who refuse to recognize Israeli sovereignty over those areas. Millions of ethnic Germans were expelled and returned to Germany, after WW II, because people in many European countries didn’t trust ethnic Germans to be loyal citizens, after what the Nazis had done. It’s no different, and Israel has more than enough evidence that people in these areas cannot be trusted.
Gadi is right and Mike is wrong on the people of the Middle East.
I love you, your jokes and your disagreements! ❤❤😊
Always looking forward to your conversation. Thank you.
Not missing the insight of Dr. Doran and Dr. Taub
Obviously not since you are here.
@donkrause3410 wouldn't miss it..!
@@AaronMiller-rh7rj Right! Best insight available on Israeli politics.
Mike talking about different levels of Hamas is deeply stuck in the "Conceptia".
Love your debate nonetheless 😊
Fantastic
Also I think it is wise for America and Israel to work together on this anti Jihad project. In America certain small villages are quietly being taken over. Check it out this is not a Conspiracy.
Where are these small villages?
Great content, always thoughtful.
Great horseplay (very Laurel and Hardyish).
Wait, which of one is which? (Gadi)
Love this and love you both. Keep disagreeing! I learn SO much.
What Gadi says is 100% right. War means loss of land
Regarding Saudia the present leader put all his family leaders who apposed him into home arrest.
He imprisoned others and changed the clergy. As well as, changed certain laws allowing women more freedom.
He succeeded because he was head of state and neutralized opposition. In other words used force, people didn't just change.
Who knows what will happen under different leadership in the future.
This is not an organic change that usually happens in western countrues more open and less religious.
As an Israeli I agree with Gadi.
As a French patriot against the progressist globalist and conquering Islam agenda ,I agree with Gadi Taub with due respect to M.Michael Doran.
Hi Guys,
Mike, I agree with Gadi it is going to be hard to get the Islamic bus turned around after it has been heading in one direction for 1400 yrs. Mike you are right about J. D. Sachs "Cherry Picking" 😂 GREAT SHOW GUYS❣️
Kf they just want to go on with their lives why did thise civilians who worked in the kibbutzim helped the jihadksts???
Mike doesn’t understand that there are no UNindoctrinated jihadists who “just want to live their lives” in Gaza. They are all of the same mentality as Hamas. I’m afraid Mike reads too many articles in the “Catholic Journal”.
Great discussion. Agree with Mike that Trump is just playing both sides, and will give deference to Mike Huckaby´s approach in supporting Israel.
You think Donald Trump is going to give deference to Mike Huckabee? Let’s see how that works out.
I think that we are imposing a narrative and a solution on Israel that makes sense and is easy to explain to people who do not have to personally feel the results. Essentially, this is a solution that is sellable without the requirement to learn any lessons from history other than what is already in circulation. This is pop history of the Middle East 101, with historical references obscured, distorted, and denied. Netanyahu has a lifelong education on what happens when you approach this problem from a Western perspective. It is a perspective that has Israel going through the same motions on a periodic basis with the problem that the enemy, the shapeshifting yet amorphous enemy, is constantly able to work on gaining strength and influence by doing a full court press on Western institutions. We have seen their progress in the tunnels, the weapons stockpiling, the indoctrination of their children, their future fighters, the reduction of Western institutions to absurdity and open irrationality. Again and again, when anyone mentions the situation in Gaza and the problem of the Palestinian Jihad with wide Islamic support, the same cann'ts and don'ts are invoked. No credit is given to those in Israel who actually know what must be done. They are silenced because the solution can only be understood and internalized by someone who understands the mounting danger. It is glaringly obvious that the Jihadis understand that they are on a slow progression toward what can only be a victory for them. When one listens to other Arabs who have the ear of the leadership and the Arab street, it is impossible to overlook the fact that they have not changed their goals at all. Tactics change after they get a beating; but they have already accepted all their losses ahead of any operation. Look how fast Syria and Lebanon have changed the power structures. This was no accident or windfall. Golani did not just walk into Syria and take over by luck. The word was put out to not resist him so that he could put the new plan into place. The losses were accepted; and there is already a rapid implementation of a new battle plan along with a media plan. The only thing moving faster than the takeover of Syria is the media blitz that the new Isis has implemented. They are going to play nice for a while until they get settled; but their talk is about how the Palestinians need to get their land back, and how Israel must be defeated. Western diplomacy is in fantasy land; and that is the strength of the Jihad. Just look how quickly the media respond whenever the terrorists say something that makes sense. They know how to do that; but it is manipulation. It is indeed rare to find anyone anywhere who does not prefer being manipulated to doing anything that will reshuffle the cards. There is probably no harder sell to the American Deep State than to actually do what is necessary.
I feel that what happens to Israel foreshadows what is intended to happen to America. Our weapons will not help us if we do not have the experience of internalizing the required shift in understanding the precepts of the general Islamic situation. These regimes everywhere are faced with the problem that if they lose control of their populations, they will lose everything. It will be worse than the French revolution. The attractive toys and ways of the West are not necessary to a despotic Islamic vision of the World. Technological achievements are unimportant to them when compared with their delicate situation. To modernize their people to fit the progress of the rest of the World would be impossible unless all Islamic regimes were to agree and work together. This will not happen unless they are forced into that position like Japan and Germany. The reason Russia and China are involved in such bold behavior is that they understand this fundamental scenario better than the West. They know that we have an incredible and possibly insurmountable series of mental blocks that preclude a solution.
Great thoughtfull comment, thank you!
Orange man gave hizballa and hamas the survive gift for free before even entering negotiations with iran. these would have literally been the biggest concessions iran would want.
@@kasrakh135 I think you are attempting to say something.
Trump stabs Israel in the back with this deal.
Great!!!!
Behatzlacha
Gadi made a passionate argument against Mike's Petraeus-COIN strategy for Gaza. But he didn't press Mike on how the mostly reserve IDF is going to occupy Gaza's wily one million in a dense urban jungle and get down in the weeds to the extent of supervising lessons in every classroom. I was with the US Army in Iraq, 07-08, 09-10 and Afghanistan 10-11 with a focus on the terror/organized crime/corruption nexus and rule of law and I don't see it in 20 years.
That is an important contribution to the debate, Machess. We appreciate it.
@@IsraelUpdate- thank you. I'm honored by your reply.
Americans dont have a clue none of them
I love this show, especially the intro.
What a shame Bibi SMH!
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Only an Israeli can understand the mentality. You may have spent time, but you have not lived it.
LAND is keyword
Could you invite Aimen Dean as a guest to discuss Turkey/Syria etc geopolitics? Selfish hope to hear my audio-interests come together in conversation. Toda rabah! Am israel chai!
What if Israeli people/population DONT WANT occupation of Gaza???..if 60-70% doesnt want that?..what to do?
Well I hope Trump stops giving them any money !!!
Losing land exactly. You do not negotiate with terrorists ‼️‼️‼️. E should. Take over the land and take all the billions being given to Gaza and use it for infrastructure roads hospitals schools and approve the school curriculum nd let those who want to leave to leave and encourage those that don’t want to leave to go as well and to let Jews who want to live there come back to our land. He deal is disgusting
Also as entertaining as possible under the circumstances !
I love this show but I’m afraid to listen to this 🇮🇱🙏💙
@Mike: I do enjoy the digressionary anecdotes!
Michael Doran: "I think I understand the Arab world." No one who truly understands any subject with serious depth would be so arrogant to say something like that. Dunning-Kruger effect in action. Embarrassing.
It would be helpful for Mike and Gadi to post a link to the Tablet story on the rise of Iran regime appeasement/realignment in MAGA world. Mike is quite eloquent on this. Some of us are old enough to remember the Brezinski/Gates push for this via their CFR pamphlet in 2004.
Regarding how easy it will be to re-program people: I think Gadi is right, but not all due to their faith. It's because they have a visible enemy in front of them, and their rulers ensure continuing conflict. Unfortunately, there is no good way out of enmity but victory, followed by occupation and supervision over what's taught and preached. Here, Mike is right - it's possible, but will take time.
1.Return the Israeli land to the Israelis who kicked out of Gaza for peace that never came. 2. Take monetary damages from Gaza to pay for the damages of that day in October
3. If there is any other land left over make them military bases
4. What about the palis they are Egyptian and supported by Qatar arent they
And what about Israeli schoolbooks?
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doe's Trump's threat is like Biden's "Don't"
A valuable show BUT Mr. Duran, please; what is your “day after” non naive Hudson Institute plan?
Thank u for english updates.....
Shocked that your view is pa should be in charge of gaza....welcome to the shomron 2.
Wouldn't waste my x anymore listening to a jew that lives in the states.
Oh n by the way Sachs is not a conservative he's a lefty !
מייק, לא נורא שגדי לא מעריך מספיק את הבדיחות שלך. העיקר שאתה צוחק. יש לך צחוק מעולה שצריך להפוך לרינגטון :-)
I can think of no other reason to placate President Trump with regard to the hostages, if not to do with the medium to long term goals regarding Iran.
I would also like to think that Israel has a pager like operation planned for the terrorists soon to be released in the deal.
Shana tova, gentlemen. I wish you and those you love a very happy 2025.
AM YISRAEL CHAI 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
Just say "Are we ready to move on to another topic?" and drop power plays in managing the discussion.
Only listening when you're talking is what keeps you as sane as possible under the circumstance.
@Mike: Netanyahu is beholden to his American-leaning Chief of Staff who has a special ops background. That's part of the problem as well; so they're continually taking an area and then retreating and moving to the next theater.
I subscribed to the channel, liked the video and am leaving an angry comment!
Gotti-the “segill” in the U.S. is called “the sign-off.”
I adore Gadi, but I wonder at what time will he start wondering about the divergence between Netanyahu's actions and common sense we seem to share.
The truth is that Israelis and Palestinians/arabs HAVE TO find a way to live together..Israelis wont go anywhere and Palestinians wont either..
and... I can't agree more with Michael about Sachs. Sachs' description of events is just a one-sided carefully crafted l. i. e. One hidden assumption there is that UA (and Eastern Europe more generally). Interestingly. Has no opinion or rights of its own. Supposedly, it is rightfully a tsar's backyard and any attempt to break free is just Western influence. The only question I have is how much... (Must be very sweet!) he got for that "perspective".