You don’t need to convert your music library to be able to play with denon Dj sc5000. The SC5000 does read and play Rekordbox music library playlist. Please update your comments. This is the best review about both players on TH-cam, thank you for taking your time to do it.👏🏻👏🏻
@@professionalhuman4429 my guy I ment if I have rekordbox set up like most club DJs and out it in a USB and I have more then 100 songs it can only do 100 songs per minute as in reading the hot cues and things like that. If I play gigs u have about 300 to 3000 right
+Projectepic ok, how many songs you gonna play in one set? not 3000 not 300,not even 100! ! ! a scratch dj would have a hard time scratching 100 samples from 100 hundred tracks.
I am excited about Denon's latest entry. For me,Denon is just a way fresher approach for DJ's., and way more fun! Their Decks and Controllers are extremely solid,well built,and support is pretty good. I love my MCX-8000 and may just add an SC-5000 just for kicks! Thank you again Denon for giving DJ's a competent,quality choice in decks and controllers. Gear in general!! i'm not a shill for any company,but when a musician finds what works,we tend to stay with it until we have a reason not to!
I'm sold on these players. I'm in the process of trading in my CDJ 2000's for a set of these pending trade in value and financing the remainding difference. I could care less if these ever become industry standard. I'd be very content having these in my own home studio regardless. Much superior than the competition IMO.
Missing from your review... Pros for the Denon: *No mention of Serato or Rekordbox conversion. *No mention of dual layers. *Useable pitch ranges above 16%. Pioneer only has one range above 16% and it only has useless 0.5% increments. *No jog bend dead zone! Cons for the Denon: *The forward jog bend is currently twice as sensitive as the rearward jog bend. Very awkward. *When you are near/at zero pitch or in positive pitch or with keylock off, the Denon's sound is inferior to the Pioneer. The Denon only sounds better than Pioneer right now when in extreme negative pitch with keylock on. While it is compatible with 96khz sampling frequency files, the actual bandwith is only about 14hz to 14,000hz for its -3dB down points over the SPDIFs. With repeated braking or with extreme negative pitch with keylock on it is also possible to cause the Elastique keylock to malfunction. *You also currently can't set cue or hot points until the track is analyzed, which means a delay of 15-30 seconds where all you can do is hit play unless the tracks are pre-analyzed. The Link and database of the SC5000 and Engine Prime is also inferior to Pioneer right now, which means if you do pre-analyze, it can get glitchy reading and linking large drives and is limited to 10,000 tracks that can link to the other player. If you don't pre-analyze, the Link appears to work fine for any amount of tracks and without much glitching if you routinely delete the database it creates when the player analyzed and logs tracks. Then we're back at the delay when you can set a cue or hot point as you wait for it to analyze tracks on load. Oh, and there is no Engine Prime track offloading over the Link back to the player, either. *While it doesn't matter to me, Denon is lagging on HID, MIDI, and soundcard support. The SC5000 can't actually function as a USB soundcard yet. The only program it now works with is Serato and you must use another audio interface. It doesn't even support VDJ. They also can't yet even offload tracks from Engine Prime over ethernet to the players. Again, minor in my opinion but definitely behind Pioneer and sort of weird in how they're advertising as so revolutionary but missing these. This is all resolvable in firmware on future updates, which I hope will also bring back the original SC5000 firmware's very high pitch resolution that Denon inexplicably and bizarrely got rid of on the last firmware update.
Thanks for all your added info! In reaction on not being complete in this review; our aim was not to make a complete comparison of all differences between the players. The central question for us was, is the Denon a serious contender for becoming the new club standard. That's why for instance we did not include the dual layer mode, it is not a relevant difference in club environments in our opinion (thought it is cool). Even though we feel the Denon is better in general than the Pioneer, it has not become the new club standard. This is because Pioneer has build up a solid reputation among professionals DJ's, and they (we:-) are not very eager to switch to a 'not Pioneer setup', unless something really revolutionairy comes along. We are very curious as to what the next Pioneer player will look like, what would you like to see as new features?
5:06 I would like to see Denon or Pioneer include caching for streaming playlists from SoundCloud, Metaop, Beatport, or any custom music streaming service; providing an alternative option from having to use a USB. Of course, this would require the latest 5G or WiFi processing. Just a matter of time. UPDATE: edmidentity.com/2018/10/23/soundcloud-dj-integration-2018/
You are doing a versus review... when you do that you automatically need to do all the differences between the players... this is not one of the greatest review/comparisons/versus or what you guys wanted to do about this (apart from trying to easy sell the product) as for a person who;s really interested in purchasing one of these new players from denon, this only makes me think this is not a great product... for example you talk about sturdy construction of the pioneers, you are stating that they feel cheap and plastic but the fact is that they can take a shit ton of beating in the clubs and still work fine as they were, while the denon's use of plastic on the knobs really looks like they had to cut a lot of money in production as they still don;t feel like hanging on to the player... i love the denon players and i really think they have so many things in front of pioneer but sincerely i think you guys made a sloppy job in this review! (you can call it whatever it's still a sloppy job especially when you guys have the ability to do it... you have the gear sitting around)
name two sound systems that can cover or accurately reproduce 20Hz - 20kHz? yeah didn't think so. Ever heard of roll-off??? what frequencies are useable in a musical context above 16 kHz???
True, but we also feel Pioneer has done a better job making simple and effective interfaces, were as Denon used to make their gear more complex to work with (to many buttons ;-)
Solid comparison. I recently purchased both the SC5000 and the X1800 mixer for the full Prime setup and its been an absolute dream to work with them. The layering feature is by far the biggest advantage for true artists, especially in uptempo dance genres. It's literally two decks in one, so you no longer need the 3rd and 4th decks like you would with Pioneer. At this point, it's strictly a name preference (IMO) because clearly Denon has produced the better products (player AND mixer).
My dj Store here in Montreal has these for get one second one half price. So 1299 for first one then second one 650. In total 2200 cad in Montreal New and full guaranty. I think i might go for 2 older version instead of only 1 New version for the same money. What do you think am i doing the right Move. I am losing it inside my religion.
What about durability?Which on is more durable???We must check that too if we are using it for a long time may be 5-8 years...So will you please make a video on the durability of these both players?
Denon is durable. I still have my dual deck from 1999 and it still works. My 2006 denon dns3700 still run perfect. And that is what i call reliable. Pioneer are great 2 my cdj 1000 mk3 still work fine.
@@DJAbraxoOfficial it doubles as a slap on wristband, which is very handy if you are a coach at Dj School Amsterdam and don't want to lose your USB Tracks you use during lessons :-)
Pioneer only gets the popular opinion because it is club standard. It’s bullsh*t! Dennon deserves more credit, and should be held at a higher standard than Pioneer overpriced piece of plastic.
great review ok do this hook up 1 sc5000 and a cdj 2000 nfs to a mixer say ch 1/2 same record same volume see the difference the cdj blows away the Denon try then reply cheers
The Dennon SC5000 is a great step forward for bedroom djs who are more familiar with controllers. It has a lot of controller features that might make someone like myself more comfortable. In the end, Dennon is the way to go. Better built, more durable, near perfect reputation, and a solid and more affordable player.
Our goal was to compare features that are important for pro dj's in club environments, dual layer is not relevant in that setting since multiple decks will be present. We agree it is a cool feature that would give it an advantage for home usage (same thing for the lower price tag) but we don't feel it is the same as two separate players.
@@DJSchoolAmsterdam I would disagree the dual layer can only help to enhance a DJ performance because now you can put your accapellas beats etc on the second layer and then use your loops or slicer to create all sorts of effects especially since you can quantize it to the playing track so also 3 pioneers allow you to play 3 tracks 3 denons play 6 tracks
I went to guitar center and saw some denons and messed around with them for about half an hour, they really are amazing, I love the feel of the jog wheels and the display was easy to use. I prefer to have a click on the pitch bend though for when it’s at 0, but I could probably get used to the light.
you can easily tell from the comments which people are experienced djs whether it be club or home djs, with a balanced opinion and those with little or no experience
As an institute slightly more high profile than others, we are very used to all kinds of comments. In the online DJ-community there is much negativity around. We try to always be positive and convince to focus on the matter that truly make a difference. Thanks for recognising that Jesse!
Can I "Link" an SC5000 to a CDJ? I.e. can I use an SC5000 for deck 1 and a CDJ for deck 2 without having to plug in a separate USB drive to each player?
Okay so Denon has nice features but the price is the biggest part. What’s the price difference? I like my Numark personally, but all the venues I spin at use CDJ from Pioneer. So I hook my controller into the mixer if I want to use my effects.
Hey i Just want to share the latest news on the sc5000.bow that the sc6000 are our i found a place that sales these sc5000 New in the box with full guaranty for buy one get second one half price. Price for first Unit 1299 and the sound one for 650. Including tax it comes out to 100 dollar canadian more Than a single Unit of sc6000 including tax. Do you think getting 2 x sc5000 instead of 1 x sc6000 is the way to go or it is worth paying for double Just to get the latest one. Although bigger jog wheel of the New sc6000 is prefered by me the bigger screen is a mehhhhhhhh. Looking fwr on your thoughts since you have a more hands on experience. To be honnest though prior to the sc6000 release the now old ones where my dream Come True. They are now looking sexier then ever for this low price of 900 bucks per player instead of the 1899 per player a couple of months back.
What's the advantage of separate components like this over a top of the line controller? I'm not a pro, I only play in my backroom for my own pleasure of the music but it seems to me that that these are only used so people can appear more professional and laud it over mere mortals like myself who 'only' have a controller. That's my take on things but if I'm wrong I'm more than happy to learn from better informed people☺
Good review! I think it will be hard for the Denom to become a club standard, club Djs doesn’t need these pads like a controller to make effects because playing in a club is more about music selection and creating an atmosphere not making slicer or roll effects where on CDJs the effects are on the mixer which is usually Pioneer too
I find the pads very useful for hot cues, It preserves the normal cue button from aging bad and also it doesn't make any noise when you press on them haha (I onyl use them for hot cues tho, I don't like fancy slicers and stuff like that)
Thank you very much for your answers, i sell my cdj 2000 normal to buy this and i prefer pioneer this looks like a toy, pitch fails sometimes, sometimes the 4 range of pitch doesnt show it... When you move the pitch and the track is no t finish to download the pitch don t do nothing.... Win for technics what a shit of technology and displays... The best one is cdj pioneer 2000 normal or 1000mk3
Hi John, it might be a plus for home usage, but since we reviewed it as used in club environments we feel it is not a relevant feature. In a club setup you will always use multiple decks.
@@djschoolamsterdam6475 I disagree, since your using digital files it doesn't matter about multiple decks what matters is multiple channels,so the ability for dual channels from 1 machine is a big plus at home or club/gig and four channels from two decks is even better.
Jesse Mallon, even on separate channels having to switch between the decks, and not controlling them individually at the same time makes it less practical then multiple decks.
DJ SCHOOL AMSTERDAM check out other reviews on this topic, because yours is uninformed. No one is saying that a club DJ would only be using one unit for a performance. And last I checked, I have not seen anyone playing with their feet. The only reason anyone would want 4 CDJs in the booth is to show off. This should be standard on all modern players.
good straight forward review. denon has always had a better feel and build quality then pioneer, it's a shame tascam pulled out of the running twenty years ago. I might upgrade from my dual cds to one of these as I also still play vinyl. just be nice not to risk damaging my cd collection. the other reviews on this are pretty terrible! so few people actually know what they are talking about.
Tim Visée Hi Tim, sharp observation :-)!! As long as you connect it the same way on the other end it would be ok, this was just movie shot so we did not pay attention.
The best player would be a pioneer cdj with settings of the decks from ddj rzx console. Just imagine. Looks like the pioneer engineers think too much on the wrong way.
When it comes to hardware,no questions.But when it comes to software,well even Denon admits that it's not completed yet,a year after release.But i mean it's ok the price is lower Denon is really trying even though they have much less experience with standalone units like these.
The only problem of denon is marketing pioneer had a big boom with their huge publicity and now is difficult for who comes to take over the place... Pioneer became more mainstream between the djs and the clubs have to adapt to their needs... Personally I prefer Denon... But I know that in 98% of the clubs and parties that I play the club have pioneer...
-no dual layer functionality -no performance pads -no internal track analysis -no cross platform support -no inbuilt HD option -no internal WiFi -requires laptop for streaming -no loop encoder -no multitouch touch screen -no track buffering (power failure) -no reserve power (power failure) -small single function hot cues located in horrible position -only 1 USB port and its only 1amp -no SDXC support (
...and here we go, CDJ3000 looks more like Denon prime :) sad for them is Denon support RB since some Firmware version and SC6000 is now available too :-D
The sound quality on both players is fine, both in analog and digital mode, with options of hi res output modes in digital format. More important is the sound quality of the mixer you are using, and, if you are really keen on this subject, to connect it with high quality audio/digital kabels.
did he just call the sound the mechanical jogwheel "cheap" wtf ahaha (1:23)
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@@andresshamis4348 He does, but that feeling is no longer "hip". Nowadays smooth, quiet moving parts feel much better. Besides, If you've worked with CDJs in clubs, you ought to know the broken CUE and jogs! All the new DJs break at least one CUE button or a mechanical jogwheel.
I owned some Denon DJ gear back in 2000 and to get parts for it I had to order them from over seas a knob fader was $30 for a knob that cost pennies neccause it had to be ordered from so far away, I will never buy Denon again.
Pioneer mag veel veranderen naar nieuwe release van de nieuwe Denon. Maar 1 ding hoop ik dat de play/pauze/stop, and cue knop nooit veranderen, zijn veel te fijn, is mijn mening !!!
Nice review on both but really the Pioneer been out 6 or7 years now before pads were even use on independent players, and the cheap plastic feel is a normal for pioneer its actually a good thing far as holding less heat your doing a gig a steel case heats up fast compared to plastic one of there secrets to long standing units all of their gear hold up very well never had a issue with the materials they use light weight also, Denon make good gear shitty software alway has them being Numark now doesnt help.
Hi K9, agree on the durability (except for the play/que buttons, they are not so solid on the Pioneer). We hear that a lot of Denon SC5000 models get send back for repairs, to bad, for it is a good player.
The factories are not owned by the companies who use them to make their stuff! There are a few factories that have the capability of making this stuff at this level at least and they make it for many brands.
+prodj.mixape official both denon and technics (pioneers parent company) are japanese companies and neither HAVE EVER BEEN AFFILIATES! do you think because you say it that it becomes true? change your tag to.... prodj.mixape official idiot
Jesse Mallon - Denon DJ is no longer a Japanese company. It was bought, along with Denon and Marantz Professional install products in April 2014 by inMusic Group. www.inmusicbrands.com/news/articles/inmusic-brands-inc.-expands-its-technology-portfolio-with-the-addition-of-t
Always had the impression that pioneer is an overpriced load of crap that profits from the fact that the industry got used to it, so upon doing some basic research, my impressions seem to be true...
I've never liked the feel of pioneer always preferred denon and been using denon since early 90s,unfortunately sometimes I have to use what's at the gig and that's usually pioneer, why I have no idea.
Denon SC5000 1700 euros incl. flightcase. Pioneer CDJ-2000NSX2 2200 euros Having said that, Pioneer is killing it lately with their controllers. I also dislike the alienship look of Denon. But hey who gives a crap about the look if it works better.
yeah champ, every new peace of equipment has its subtle nuances, and to make a choice one needs to go and test drive for themselves either thru mates or at a dealer. who knows one day I might actually like the feel of a pioneer but that day for me as primarily a dance music dj is yet to come.
Who cares what these big name dj use, either they use Pios or dens they still get their for free and get payed doing so. We are the ones founding both companies in order for them to do it. Only thing we should care is to get proper working gear for the paper we lay down for the Slaughter. 30 years of paper dropping Just cause i. Love my gear and my addiction of music, vinyl twisting, and gear hoarding. Anyone else that needs 5 turntables, 6 mixers and around 8 decks of CD players? Laid back fluke.
Denon cloned a Pioneer CDJ 2000NXS2 after years of using their own undesirable models, added a few Controller features and people are ready to throw Pioneer to the curb. Most coming to a decision based upon their visual and not actual hands on experience.
lmfao! when we're you born? yesterday. this fight has been going on since the eighties bruv.....THE 80'S! and many players have dropped out while many others have taken up the challenge, but few have weathered the storm. I own technics turn tables and started out with a technics mixer because back then they were da bomb, but I've always bought and used denon when it comes to cd and media players. because to me they feel better and function better. denon cloned a pioneer, wtf? more dribble from a noob
@@professionalhuman4429Actually I was born in 1965. Been playing since 1979. So so much for the noob. Sorry but I don't remember any fight in the 80s over CD players. You using Technics turntables and mixer has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation. I have both the Denon Prime Series and the Pioneer NXS2 Series. After several months I still prefer the Pioneer Series. Prime SC5000 doesn't sound as good as the Pioneer 2000 NXS2. Denon SC5000 has a high frequency roll off. This is proven fact not opinion. Quantize on the Pioneer 2000 NXS2 is more accurate than the SC5000. Denon X1800 has more horsepower than the DJM 900 NXS2 but it's suited more for Techno music. The effects also are weak in comparison to the Pioneer 900 NXS2. I'd bet big money that DJM 900 NXS2 owners wouldn't trade their mixer for the Denon X1800 either. And yes the Denon Series is a new and improved clone. If they made it where Pioneer owners had difficulty transitioning nobody would buy it. You ain't talking to no kid or no fool.
@@DBLG65 I don't have a horse in this race as I am not going to buy or sell either, but there is no way anyone playing since 79 can hear high frequency roll off
@@pooramateurvideo I said it doesn't sound as good. I didn't say I could hear a high frequency roll off. The high frequency roll off was proven. Check the Denon Forums on this issue.
@@DBLG65 me using technics means I don't choose by company or bias on brand I choose by the best at that time, so although I believe denon has a nicer feel and build when it comes to CD and media players, technics or Pioneer had the best mixers back in the late 80s early 90s.
that 30 cm long usb stick lmao
imagine accidentaly smashing it with hand while playing 😬
You don’t need to convert your music library to be able to play with denon Dj sc5000. The SC5000 does read and play Rekordbox music library playlist. Please update your comments.
This is the best review about both players on TH-cam, thank you for taking your time to do it.👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks for the comment!
Yea but it's really slow it does 100 songs per minute
+Projectepic how many songs can you play in a minute? ??
@@professionalhuman4429 my guy I ment if I have rekordbox set up like most club DJs and out it in a USB and I have more then 100 songs it can only do 100 songs per minute as in reading the hot cues and things like that. If I play gigs u have about 300 to 3000 right
+Projectepic ok, how many songs you gonna play in one set? not 3000 not 300,not even 100! ! ! a scratch dj would have a hard time scratching 100 samples from 100 hundred tracks.
I am excited about Denon's latest entry. For me,Denon is just a way fresher approach for DJ's., and way more fun! Their Decks and Controllers are extremely solid,well built,and support is pretty good. I love my MCX-8000 and may just add an SC-5000 just for kicks! Thank you again Denon for giving DJ's a competent,quality choice in decks and controllers. Gear in general!! i'm not a shill for any company,but when a musician finds what works,we tend to stay with it until we have a reason not to!
Thanks for the review. I bought two sc5000 just recently and hook it to my old but reliable A&H xone 92. Its great and easy to use.
Denon should release a cheaper trimmed down version of this and they might tempt more buyers
The dual layer feature makes the SC5000 a more "bang for the buck" option for piecemeal setups
I'm sold on these players. I'm in the process of trading in my CDJ 2000's for a set of these pending trade in value and financing the remainding difference. I could care less if these ever become industry standard. I'd be very content having these in my own home studio regardless. Much superior than the competition IMO.
Currently where I'm at. I have xdj1000mk2s and really want these denons too!! There are just so make features
Did you ever get them? How are they? Just curious as I'm about to get some.
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Missing from your review...
Pros for the Denon:
*No mention of Serato or Rekordbox conversion.
*No mention of dual layers.
*Useable pitch ranges above 16%. Pioneer only has one range above 16% and it only has useless 0.5% increments.
*No jog bend dead zone!
Cons for the Denon:
*The forward jog bend is currently twice as sensitive as the rearward jog bend. Very awkward.
*When you are near/at zero pitch or in positive pitch or with keylock off, the Denon's sound is inferior to the Pioneer. The Denon only sounds better than Pioneer right now when in extreme negative pitch with keylock on. While it is compatible with 96khz sampling frequency files, the actual bandwith is only about 14hz to 14,000hz for its -3dB down points over the SPDIFs. With repeated braking or with extreme negative pitch with keylock on it is also possible to cause the Elastique keylock to malfunction.
*You also currently can't set cue or hot points until the track is analyzed, which means a delay of 15-30 seconds where all you can do is hit play unless the tracks are pre-analyzed. The Link and database of the SC5000 and Engine Prime is also inferior to Pioneer right now, which means if you do pre-analyze, it can get glitchy reading and linking large drives and is limited to 10,000 tracks that can link to the other player. If you don't pre-analyze, the Link appears to work fine for any amount of tracks and without much glitching if you routinely delete the database it creates when the player analyzed and logs tracks. Then we're back at the delay when you can set a cue or hot point as you wait for it to analyze tracks on load. Oh, and there is no Engine Prime track offloading over the Link back to the player, either.
*While it doesn't matter to me, Denon is lagging on HID, MIDI, and soundcard support. The SC5000 can't actually function as a USB soundcard yet. The only program it now works with is Serato and you must use another audio interface. It doesn't even support VDJ. They also can't yet even offload tracks from Engine Prime over ethernet to the players. Again, minor in my opinion but definitely behind Pioneer and sort of weird in how they're advertising as so revolutionary but missing these.
This is all resolvable in firmware on future updates, which I hope will also bring back the original SC5000 firmware's very high pitch resolution that Denon inexplicably and bizarrely got rid of on the last firmware update.
Thanks for all your added info! In reaction on not being complete in this review; our aim was not to make a complete comparison of all differences between the players. The central question for us was, is the Denon a serious contender for becoming the new club standard. That's why for instance we did not include the dual layer mode, it is not a relevant difference in club environments in our opinion (thought it is cool). Even though we feel the Denon is better in general than the Pioneer, it has not become the new club standard. This is because Pioneer has build up a solid reputation among professionals DJ's, and they (we:-) are not very eager to switch to a 'not Pioneer setup', unless something really revolutionairy comes along. We are very curious as to what the next Pioneer player will look like, what would you like to see as new features?
5:06 I would like to see Denon or Pioneer include caching for streaming playlists from SoundCloud, Metaop, Beatport, or any custom music streaming service; providing an alternative option from having to use a USB. Of course, this would require the latest 5G or WiFi processing. Just a matter of time. UPDATE: edmidentity.com/2018/10/23/soundcloud-dj-integration-2018/
You are doing a versus review... when you do that you automatically need to do all the differences between the players... this is not one of the greatest review/comparisons/versus or what you guys wanted to do about this (apart from trying to easy sell the product) as for a person who;s really interested in purchasing one of these new players from denon, this only makes me think this is not a great product... for example you talk about sturdy construction of the pioneers, you are stating that they feel cheap and plastic but the fact is that they can take a shit ton of beating in the clubs and still work fine as they were, while the denon's use of plastic on the knobs really looks like they had to cut a lot of money in production as they still don;t feel like hanging on to the player... i love the denon players and i really think they have so many things in front of pioneer but sincerely i think you guys made a sloppy job in this review! (you can call it whatever it's still a sloppy job especially when you guys have the ability to do it... you have the gear sitting around)
name two sound systems that can cover or accurately reproduce 20Hz - 20kHz? yeah didn't think so. Ever heard of roll-off??? what frequencies are useable in a musical context above 16 kHz???
This video was sponsored as you get 10% off the dennon so of course they will play out the dennon to be better
Denon was never a slotch. Pioneer just has a better Marketing team.
True, but we also feel Pioneer has done a better job making simple and effective interfaces, were as Denon used to make their gear more complex to work with (to many buttons ;-)
@@djschoolamsterdam6475 Well we agreed to disagree. Respectfully.
And that is something very positive these days! :-)
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I have just applied for finance for the SC5000 with x1800 Prime mixer..... #dreaming and hoping for a positive outcome. Awesome review !!
Dat it! I am using the denon now. Still using the DJM900NXS2 for my mixer though😎
did you know if the pioneer djm2000 and denon sc2900 are compatible with the link function.
And by the way... strong point of wiew man!!!!! You are so RIGHT !!!
Nice review. The Denon SC5000 is now starting to sit side by side in DJ booths, worldwide.
Thanks, brief and quick but good review. No blah blah, perfect
I love my Nexus setup but I also really want to play on some Denons, they look amazing.
Looks like Denon dj is back with full power....Pioneer Needs to gear up......now
Solid comparison. I recently purchased both the SC5000 and the X1800 mixer for the full Prime setup and its been an absolute dream to work with them.
The layering feature is by far the biggest advantage for true artists, especially in uptempo dance genres. It's literally two decks in one, so you no longer need the 3rd and 4th decks like you would with Pioneer. At this point, it's strictly a name preference (IMO) because clearly Denon has produced the better products (player AND mixer).
the denon player just went down to 1299CAD meaning you can cop 2 of these for cheaper than one cdj2000nxs2!
i hope all the pioneer fans will continue to buy nxs2 lol
My dj Store here in Montreal has these for get one second one half price.
So 1299 for first one then second one 650.
In total 2200 cad in Montreal New and full guaranty.
I think i might go for 2 older version instead of only 1 New version for the same money.
What do you think am i doing the right Move.
I am losing it inside my religion.
What about durability?Which on is more durable???We must check that too if we are using it for a long time may be 5-8 years...So will you please make a video on the durability of these both players?
you got 5 to 8 years to test them??? my last denons lasted 10 years of daily play! he commented on build quality.
Denon is durable.
I still have my dual deck from 1999 and it still works.
My 2006 denon dns3700 still run perfect.
And that is what i call reliable.
Pioneer are great 2 my cdj 1000 mk3 still work fine.
Why is the memory stick so damn big???
I think it's one of those silly M.2 ssd thumb drive things lmao
@@DJAbraxoOfficial it doubles as a slap on wristband, which is very handy if you are a coach at Dj School Amsterdam and don't want to lose your USB Tracks you use during lessons :-)
It doubles as a WiFI antenna so people in the audience can log in on wifi to upload their requests! :P
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Why didn’t you mention the layerswitch on the Denon?
I feal this guy was more interested in how they look and feal . I have cdj 2000 and also denons sc5000 and the layer switch is an awesome feature.
Can you for example connect a SC5000 to a XDJ-XZ line input and connect them through LAN connection or would you need 2 USB sticks? :)
Pioneer only gets the popular opinion because it is club standard. It’s bullsh*t! Dennon deserves more credit, and should be held at a higher standard than Pioneer overpriced piece of plastic.
Can you link a SC5000/6000 to a CDJ? Does the sync still work and do I need 1 or 2 USB-sticks to read the music?
great review ok do this hook up 1 sc5000 and a cdj 2000 nfs to a mixer say ch 1/2 same record same volume see the difference the cdj blows away the Denon try then reply cheers
If Denon could work with Serato and Rekordbox and Traktor it can become industry standard
The Dennon SC5000 is a great step forward for bedroom djs who are more familiar with controllers. It has a lot of controller features that might make someone like myself more comfortable. In the end, Dennon is the way to go. Better built, more durable, near perfect reputation, and a solid and more affordable player.
Does anyone know if Denon and Pioneer are compatible in the link function??
I have an Djm 2000 and want to buy the sc2900 from denon
No mention about Denon Dual layer that alone kills pioneer hands down ...one Denon is equal to 2 pioneers and they are cheaper than pioneer nexus
Our goal was to compare features that are important for pro dj's in club environments, dual layer is not relevant in that setting since multiple decks will be present. We agree it is a cool feature that would give it an advantage for home usage (same thing for the lower price tag) but we don't feel it is the same as two separate players.
Also, when used with serato, you can controll up to 4 decks with one player
@@DJSchoolAmsterdam I would disagree the dual layer can only help to enhance a DJ performance because now you can put your accapellas beats etc on the second layer and then use your loops or slicer to create all sorts of effects especially since you can quantize it to the playing track so also 3 pioneers allow you to play 3 tracks 3 denons play 6 tracks
@@kathrynw3 so true why do you not have more likes for saying it ?
I went to guitar center and saw some denons and messed around with them for about half an hour, they really are amazing, I love the feel of the jog wheels and the display was easy to use. I prefer to have a click on the pitch bend though for when it’s at 0, but I could probably get used to the light.
hehehe , now I understand why you like the Denon more
you can easily tell from the comments which people are experienced djs whether it be club or home djs, with a balanced opinion and those with little or no experience
As an institute slightly more high profile than others, we are very used to all kinds of comments. In the online DJ-community there is much negativity around. We try to always be positive and convince to focus on the matter that truly make a difference. Thanks for recognising that Jesse!
Great review I’m waiting for denon to release a controller with these jog wheels
Hey bro could you please tell me now can I get license for music to post on TH-cam
sc5000 sc5000m what's the difference please?
what's the price fo Lennon sc 5000 prime 1299 pioneer cdj 2000 nxs2 3000
Wait you connecte a Denon SC5000 on a pioneer mixer?
We would, since we feel the Denon mixer is really no match for the Pioneer ones
Can you use 4 channels with only 2 sc5000’s on the denon x1800 mixer?
Yes
Yes that is the main point. 2 decks four track one man and his mixer.
Great succes.
Ahhh and half the price of only 2 cdj crap.
Can I "Link" an SC5000 to a CDJ? I.e. can I use an SC5000 for deck 1 and a CDJ for deck 2 without having to plug in a separate USB drive to each player?
I believe you can yes.
Okay so Denon has nice features but the price is the biggest part. What’s the price difference? I like my Numark personally, but all the venues I spin at use CDJ from Pioneer. So I hook my controller into the mixer if I want to use my effects.
Hey i Just want to share the latest news on the sc5000.bow that the sc6000 are our i found a place that sales these sc5000 New in the box with full guaranty for buy one get second one half price.
Price for first Unit 1299 and the sound one for 650.
Including tax it comes out to 100 dollar canadian more Than a single Unit of sc6000 including tax.
Do you think getting 2 x sc5000 instead of 1 x sc6000 is the way to go or it is worth paying for double Just to get the latest one.
Although bigger jog wheel of the New sc6000 is prefered by me the bigger screen is a mehhhhhhhh.
Looking fwr on your thoughts since you have a more hands on experience.
To be honnest though prior to the sc6000 release the now old ones where my dream Come True. They are now looking sexier then ever for this low price of 900 bucks per player instead of the 1899 per player a couple of months back.
What's the advantage of separate components like this over a top of the line controller?
I'm not a pro, I only play in my backroom for my own pleasure of the music but it seems to me that that these are only used so people can appear more professional and laud it over mere mortals like myself who 'only' have a controller.
That's my take on things but if I'm wrong I'm more than happy to learn from better informed people☺
Portability and modularity
@@bjarnekeytsman2923
Modularity I could see but not portability, 2 cdj's and a mixer is much more to carry around than even the biggest controller.
@@l34052 you have one big chunky case or 3 smaller cases
Excellent review!
Which deck sounds better when scratching?
Im torn between a pair of denon sc5000's or pio xdj-1000mk2's. anyone want to put their 2 cents in this decision??
I would go for the Denons, more bang for buck
Do they make any DJ Gear wear you can record your performances on the unit itself rather than the computer?
Sure! Have a look at the Pioneer XDJ-RX(2), you can record directly from the DJ set to a mp3 file on your USB.
Good review! I think it will be hard for the Denom to become a club standard, club Djs doesn’t need these pads like a controller to make effects because playing in a club is more about music selection and creating an atmosphere not making slicer or roll effects where on CDJs the effects are on the mixer which is usually Pioneer too
I find the pads very useful for hot cues, It preserves the normal cue button from aging bad and also it doesn't make any noise when you press on them haha (I onyl use them for hot cues tho, I don't like fancy slicers and stuff like that)
Great review/advice
And about the pitch precision is good in denon? Because i want one to use with technics
Pitch precision of the Denon is fine, also in combination with Technics SL1200.
@@DJSchoolAmsterdami want to know if it is more good than pioneer in precision
@@joseg.5167 It is a bit better, not substantial.
Thank you very much for your answers, i sell my cdj 2000 normal to buy this and i prefer pioneer this looks like a toy, pitch fails sometimes, sometimes the 4 range of pitch doesnt show it...
When you move the pitch and the track is no t finish to download the pitch don t do nothing.... Win for technics what a shit of technology and displays... The best one is cdj pioneer 2000 normal or 1000mk3
Thank you for this week I review
Muy buen analisis espero puedas hacer un video del SC5000M Atte OSCAR DJ
Great video
You left out a very huge plus for Denon: the ability to play two decks with one unit.
Hi John, it might be a plus for home usage, but since we reviewed it as used in club environments we feel it is not a relevant feature. In a club setup you will always use multiple decks.
DJ SCHOOL AMSTERDAM you do not make any sense whatsoever.
@@djschoolamsterdam6475 I disagree, since your using digital files it doesn't matter about multiple decks what matters is multiple channels,so the ability for dual channels from 1 machine is a big plus at home or club/gig and four channels from two decks is even better.
Jesse Mallon, even on separate channels having to switch between the decks, and not controlling them individually at the same time makes it less practical then multiple decks.
DJ SCHOOL AMSTERDAM check out other reviews on this topic, because yours is uninformed.
No one is saying that a club DJ would only be using one unit for a performance. And last I checked, I have not seen anyone playing with their feet.
The only reason anyone would want 4 CDJs in the booth is to show off. This should be standard on all modern players.
Question is why Pioneer can't do this before - I mean add all these Denon features .... This competition is good for all DJs ;)
the software under linux took years to write - you cant just churn this stuff out.
good straight forward review. denon has always had a better feel and build quality then pioneer, it's a shame tascam pulled out of the running twenty years ago. I might upgrade from my dual cds to one of these as I also still play vinyl. just be nice not to risk damaging my cd collection. the other reviews on this are pretty terrible! so few people actually know what they are talking about.
Thanks for watching Jesse and good luck with developing and possible upgrade!
I think he doesn’t know you can change the resistance of the cdj jogs....
Andres Shamis of course he does. The Denons just feel sturdier than pioneers.
@@pauldagger8302 Correct, the Pioneer feels more 'plastic fantastic', at any resistance setting.
0:03 Red in white, white in red?
Tim Visée Hi Tim, sharp observation :-)!! As long as you connect it the same way on the other end it would be ok, this was just movie shot so we did not pay attention.
Thank you so much, Sir.
How about scratching?
Bravo amico DJ set
The best player would be a pioneer cdj with settings of the decks from ddj rzx console. Just imagine. Looks like the pioneer engineers think too much on the wrong way.
I have both the denons are better
Sve
When it comes to hardware,no questions.But when it comes to software,well even Denon admits that it's not completed yet,a year after release.But i mean it's ok the price is lower Denon is really trying even though they have much less experience with standalone units like these.
But u have A touch screen on the pioneer to
Limited use
All what you mentioned for denon you can find it on the pioneer smallest controller ddj400. what is the new things???????????
The only problem of denon is marketing pioneer had a big boom with their huge publicity and now is difficult for who comes to take over the place... Pioneer became more mainstream between the djs and the clubs have to adapt to their needs... Personally I prefer Denon... But I know that in 98% of the clubs and parties that I play the club have pioneer...
-no dual layer functionality
-no performance pads
-no internal track analysis
-no cross platform support
-no inbuilt HD option
-no internal WiFi
-requires laptop for streaming
-no loop encoder
-no multitouch touch screen
-no track buffering (power failure)
-no reserve power (power failure)
-small single function hot cues located in horrible position
-only 1 USB port and its only 1amp
-no SDXC support (
...and here we go, CDJ3000 looks more like Denon prime :) sad for them is Denon support RB since some Firmware version and SC6000 is now available too :-D
A lot of your critiques are subjective I feel. Nonetheless good review ✌🏻
Sound quality???
The sound quality on both players is fine, both in analog and digital mode, with options of hi res output modes in digital format. More important is the sound quality of the mixer you are using, and, if you are really keen on this subject, to connect it with high quality audio/digital kabels.
$2200 for 1 pioneer platter? What is that price about? 😂
Yes, that is a lot of money!
Understood - professionals are stuck in their ways, don't listen to them
It depends on your budget
did he just call the sound the mechanical jogwheel "cheap" wtf ahaha (1:23)
@@andresshamis4348 He does, but that feeling is no longer "hip". Nowadays smooth, quiet moving parts feel much better. Besides, If you've worked with CDJs in clubs, you ought to know the broken CUE and jogs! All the new DJs break at least one CUE button or a mechanical jogwheel.
nice
You should put the link in description to www.tonecontrol.eu
I owned some Denon DJ gear back in 2000 and to get parts for it I had to order them from over seas a knob fader was $30 for a knob that cost pennies neccause it had to be ordered from so far away, I will never buy Denon again.
Pioneer mag veel veranderen naar nieuwe release van de nieuwe Denon. Maar 1 ding hoop ik dat de play/pauze/stop, and cue knop nooit veranderen, zijn veel te fijn, is mijn mening !!!
2020....new pioneer...still hasnt caught up
Nice review on both but really the Pioneer been out 6 or7 years now before pads were even use on independent players, and the cheap plastic feel is a normal for pioneer its actually a good thing far as holding less heat your doing a gig a steel case heats up fast compared to plastic one of there secrets to long standing units all of their gear hold up very well never had a issue with the materials they use light weight also, Denon make good gear shitty software alway has them being Numark now doesnt help.
Hi K9, agree on the durability (except for the play/que buttons, they are not so solid on the Pioneer). We hear that a lot of Denon SC5000 models get send back for repairs, to bad, for it is a good player.
thought it was a battle not a talk-down
So xiaomi make dj player now?
LoL these players are made from the same company of technics. xiaomi your shit.
Inmusic owns denon and denon is not affiliated in any way shape or form with technics, matsushita / Panasonic.
The factories are not owned by the companies who use them to make their stuff! There are a few factories that have the capability of making this stuff at this level at least and they make it for many brands.
+prodj.mixape official both denon and technics (pioneers parent company) are japanese companies and neither HAVE EVER BEEN AFFILIATES! do you think because you say it that it becomes true? change your tag to.... prodj.mixape official idiot
Jesse Mallon - Denon DJ is no longer a Japanese company. It was bought, along with Denon and Marantz Professional install products in April 2014 by inMusic Group. www.inmusicbrands.com/news/articles/inmusic-brands-inc.-expands-its-technology-portfolio-with-the-addition-of-t
i want that denon
Always had the impression that pioneer is an overpriced load of crap that profits from the fact that the industry got used to it, so upon doing some basic research, my impressions seem to be true...
Can you help me with No one how to get gigs als dj
is Denon a copycat or is it original just as good ?
We reply to some of the many comments in our new video about Denon/Pioneer: th-cam.com/video/IPbcLzncpc0/w-d-xo.html&lc=Ugwl0OhlDp-QJw2GQRF4AaABAg
Is this sponsored by denon?!
Nope!
Pioneer mechanical jogwheels are a love hate thing. I personally hate them. Much prefer the capacitive jogs like the rx and rr.
I've never liked the feel of pioneer always preferred denon and been using denon since early 90s,unfortunately sometimes I have to use what's at the gig and that's usually pioneer, why I have no idea.
Denon SC5000 1700 euros incl. flightcase.
Pioneer CDJ-2000NSX2 2200 euros
Having said that, Pioneer is killing it lately with their controllers.
I also dislike the alienship look of Denon. But hey who gives a crap about the look if it works better.
Denon Prime SC5000 have been sold out everywhere
stop saying one is better than the other.. these are for different use imo
yeah champ, every new peace of equipment has its subtle nuances, and to make a choice one needs to go and test drive for themselves either thru mates or at a dealer. who knows one day I might actually like the feel of a pioneer but that day for me as primarily a dance music dj is yet to come.
Who is your favourite DJ? Because I bet they don’t use Denon hahaha
Oliver heldens uses denon
lewis jones laidback Luke uses these religiously.
DJ London Bridges no they get paid to use them they don’t use them because they believe they are better
Who cares what these big name dj use, either they use Pios or dens they still get their for free and get payed doing so.
We are the ones founding both companies in order for them to do it.
Only thing we should care is to get proper working gear for the paper we lay down for the Slaughter.
30 years of paper dropping Just cause i. Love my gear and my addiction of music, vinyl twisting, and gear hoarding.
Anyone else that needs 5 turntables, 6 mixers and around 8 decks of CD players?
Laid back fluke.
@@youngbud9269 He uses both and is a mediocre DJ at best
Denons are better, Pioneers looks better. Would choose Pioneer because of rekordbox is much better than engine prime.
The service with Denon is done easier & faster than the Pionene, that's the reason of having the screws on top of the faceplate.
Well the SC5000M beats them both!! Lol
The Dennon Does Not Have A CD Drive !
Denon cloned a Pioneer CDJ 2000NXS2 after years of using their own undesirable models, added a few Controller features and people are ready to throw Pioneer to the curb. Most coming to a decision based upon their visual and not actual hands on experience.
lmfao! when we're you born? yesterday. this fight has been going on since the eighties bruv.....THE 80'S! and many players have dropped out while many others have taken up the challenge, but few have weathered the storm. I own technics turn tables and started out with a technics mixer because back then they were da bomb, but I've always bought and used denon when it comes to cd and media players. because to me they feel better and function better. denon cloned a pioneer, wtf? more dribble from a noob
@@professionalhuman4429Actually I was born in 1965. Been playing since 1979. So so much for the noob. Sorry but I don't remember any fight in the 80s over CD players. You using Technics turntables and mixer has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation. I have both the Denon Prime Series and the Pioneer NXS2 Series. After several months I still prefer the Pioneer Series. Prime SC5000 doesn't sound as good as the Pioneer 2000 NXS2. Denon SC5000 has a high frequency roll off. This is proven fact not opinion. Quantize on the Pioneer 2000 NXS2 is more accurate than the SC5000. Denon X1800 has more horsepower than the DJM 900 NXS2 but it's suited more for Techno music. The effects also are weak in comparison to the Pioneer 900 NXS2. I'd bet big money that DJM 900 NXS2 owners wouldn't trade their mixer for the Denon X1800 either. And yes the Denon Series is a new and improved clone. If they made it where Pioneer owners had difficulty transitioning nobody would buy it. You ain't talking to no kid or no fool.
@@DBLG65 I don't have a horse in this race as I am not going to buy or sell either, but there is no way anyone playing since 79 can hear high frequency roll off
@@pooramateurvideo I said it doesn't sound as good. I didn't say I could hear a high frequency roll off. The high frequency roll off was proven. Check the Denon Forums on this issue.
@@DBLG65 me using technics means I don't choose by company or bias on brand I choose by the best at that time, so although I believe denon has a nicer feel and build when it comes to CD and media players, technics or Pioneer had the best mixers back in the late 80s early 90s.
the pioneer is not cheap. compared to numark ! pioneer cost £1000+ each The Numark NDX 800 Only £300
Ohhhhhhhhh så cool
Wtf with that usb