You see 4 tanks moving in line. A good strategy is to hit the front tank first to halt the convoy and the last tank to trap the last 2 tanks. But Brad Pitt was in front so gotta change the strategy.
You know, I thought that too, but I think the strategy is to reduce not eliminate. One Tiger, regardless of build quality, would not survive that many tanks. The best would be to destroy the rear, take out 1 or 2 more, then retreat, regroup and re-engage. I'm no strategist, but I think that would work better.
@@Damon-qt3fw one tiger was worth five shermans and standard engagement practices was to hit the lead vehicle when targeting a convoy to halt and disrupt the convoys formation
The guys who made the film admitted it. They said the Tiger almost certainly would have smoked Fury first, it was the lead tank and it was also an Easy 8 with the 76mm. Fury actually could have penetrated the front armor of the Tiger at those short ranges. But, that would have made for a shit movie so they had it pop a different tank.
@@macasaurusrex4863 no one tiger was not worth 5 shermans. Regaurdless assuming the tiger had not engaged fury with its first shot the tiger would have been dead, Fury would could pierce its frontal armor from that distance. There's also the issue the tiger would face of the other shermans shooting smoke at it.
I can't imagine how terrifying tank combat must have been. Knowing the next moment could be the one you explode in... and knowing that for days at a time. Those fellows had balls made of the same steel their tanks were.
That's how it is for ship crews as well. Tens, hundreds, or thousands of crew all manning stations enclosed in the ship's steel walls. Hearing announcements over the ship's internal communications system, and only knowing by the numbers and positions announced whether you are about to die. If there's even an announcement before the big moment. If there isn't, then it's everyone else who hears the announcement of what just happened to everyone in your location.
Tbh Any vehicle combat would be terrifying Sky, water, and land. they were the ones targeted, and usually only needed one good shot for everyone aboard to die. Imo the boats would be the worst at least in a tank or plane you usually get decimated along with it.
@@rhysjones1108 I think the boats would be the better one to be in, because there’s a lot more room for error on the enemies part. Like you’d have a better chance of surviving if your ship was getting lit up cause there is just so much of it. But like planes and tanks are only so big, and you got no room to go anywhere, you are literally stuck. I mean yeah if you survived a ship attack you’d just be stranded in the ocean, but you can still surivive that by staying afloat and doing your best to find land, or just pray that someone comes to rescue in time.
@Rhys Jones losing a tank crew or plane crew from their vehicle being taken out results in far less casualties than a battle ship getting struck and sunk. For a tank crew you lose like 4 or 5 people, for a plane crew you'd lose anywhere from 2-30 people, but a ship sinking can take out hundreds to thousands of people
He knew he had to sacrifice himself so that the 76 can deal with the tiger. Even though in reality it would have knocked out the 76 first and the 76 can go through a tiger front plate at that range so the whole having to get behind it thing was rediculous anyway. But still. For entertainment purposes it does the job. I still enjoyed it
My friends father served as a tanker. Never talked about it but said to his son when he enlisted,"don't go into the armor unless you can give up enjoying cookouts like I do".
My Dad was a tank mechanic. Worked on M-4’s,M-47’s, & M-48’s. He told me you could fry eggs on Tanks they were so hot. He taught me allot about basic motor repair and maintenance. A real renaissance man. Superman to me…
@@AntonNas-ph6ul Ignore @AntonNas-ph6ul. He/she/they're just a piss-ant troll that wants to annoy people like a nat. Doesn't understand about heroism, bravery, self-sacrifice, or a father's love for his son.
This scene scares the shit out of me everytime, the fact they survive, and the emotional aftermath from surviving is utterly crushing. The acting here is phenomenal.
the battle was gripping, and it is good this clip included the aftermath part. Each character pulled themselves together, or something, but each was clearly at the edge of sanity at the end of the battle. And such close quarters, to communicate a moment from character to character! That's skilled film-making. In like 3 minutes we learn who these people are at a pretty far-out-there level, and the actors pull it off imo. Pitt can carry this kind of weight as a lead, too. The aftermath is what really gets me about this scene. The battle sinks in for the viewer, too.
When the shells are just bouncing off of the Tiger Tank and not causing any damage, that to me is the most terrifying part of this scene. Gives those who are trying to kill you a sense of immortality. That you don't have a single chance in the world.
@@andrewf0784 2 of the Shermans could've penetrated the front of the Tiger. The first Sherman that got shot, and Fury. The Tiger commander would've targetted Fury or the other 76 first. But then there would be no movie.
Logan Lerman's (Norman's) acting in this scene is underrated. You can see a perfect mix between rage and fear in his face and that he is trying to overcome his sympathy toward the enemy.
My friend may he rest in peace. Joseph Cancellara he told me about his first encounter with a Tiger tank in WW2 after landing in France with the 82 airborne. He said it was like looking at a mountain with a gun in it. The terror he still felt to that day.
so it is now)) , the Americans are destroying the Germans in the Russian fields, I used to think that there are two great nations: Russians and Germans. But now there are Russians and Americans.
People rag on about the combat accuracy of this movie, but I bet one thing they got right is capturing the sheer terror of fighting in combat in one of these things. In fact, I venture to guess there is no amount of cinematography that can capture it...but these scenes certainly make your appreciate everyone who has ever served in these tanks.
@@cleanerben9636 Well, it's always going to be a balance between accuracy and drama. Accuracy isn't always interesting or exciting in a storytelling format. People want to see those tanks churning and maneuvering and firing at each other, wether it would have happened that way or not.
Thank you for this clip. My dad drove a Sherman tank, UK, he said virtually nothing about it. He told my brother he was as at Belson, the Nazi death camp. Never said much to me . Said the tracks skidded on the cobblestone roads in Germany! Strange how much we don’t know.
That Tiger is 131, the only one in the world still in full working order. I've been to see it several times at Bovington (UK) where it lives. The same museum also has a King Tiger, which is an absolute beast, and also the most terrifying (to me) of all - a Jagdtiger. It's 8 inch thick frontal armor was impervious to any allied shell from any allied tank, at any range, and a direct hit from its stupendous 128mm main gun was simply unsurvivable. I can't imagine what it would have been like having to go up against one of the 85 of these that Nazi Germany fielded. Fortunately for the allies, the Jagdtiger's appeared quite late in the war and their crews had no time to get used to them or get much training in. As a result, they were not used as effectively as they could have been, and with the allies having air superiority at that time, they were vulnerable to dive bombing and such.
Well more Jagdtigers was lost because of mechanical issues than actually in combat. It is a perfect example of failed Nazi late war design. Way to heavy and under powered to be of practical use on the battlefield. I mean yes the 128mm gun is terrifying as it is but putting it on a vehicle that at any moment can just decide its gonna be a bunker now is just pointless. You can train your crews how much you want but when your vehicle just won't do what it is supposed to it does not matter. The Jagdtiger was a failure and while it might have looked like a fearsome beast it is not a good design.
The west dosent care about history and the world wars and history is being distort and its up to simple people who interest in the truth spread the word cause what you leard in history at school isint even 1/10 of what realy happened and some stories arent even told who are also interesting
This movie taught me one huge thing - it's great to be in a tank when your side is dominant, it's awful to be in a tank when your side is under attack.
The element of surprise is a world of difference in tank combat. Being caught unaware and out of position is a death sentence. Whoever sees the other tank first is usually the victor. That's why modern tanks put such a huge effort into good optics
The local barber in my home town was a WWII vet. He commanded a half track. He took part in the battle of the bulge .One day I asked him about the Tiger. He looked at me with horror and fear in his eyes. He simply replied. We camouflaged ourselves and hid from those bastards. He never really liked to speak of his exploits. He was a truly humble person. I loved him very much. The nicest person in the whole community. Hair cut and a shave $5.00. God bless Don Robbins you are truly missed
My grandfather drove a half track in the Third Armored division…NOT Patton’s 3rd Army, as he often had to correct people after the war. Most of his nightmares came from what he saw at the Nordhausen concentration camp. At the time, he took a few pictures because he thought no one back home would ever even believe it. Stories weren’t easy to come by. Their general was the highest rank casualty of WW2…at least from enemy fire.
@@theyliedtoyouaboutworldwar1944 I can only imagine… but the answer to your question is no. Usually revisionists focus on the Pacific front with its internment camps at home and nuclear weapon usage overseas.
That's a hard scene. I use to have a cup of coffee with an old WWII Tank driver, Jack Mortiarty. Great guy. He'd tell me all the time about what it was like inside one of those things. After he passed on, his wife told he how difficult it was for him after the war. He recieved the Silver Star and a Purple Heart.
Bless his heart and any man or boy that survived war, and i mean any country, good boys were sent to die on both sides because weak man in power called the shots
Staying in its position would not have been the right call tactically because of the smoke. The Shermans can continue maneuvering and the Tiger won't know where they are because of the smoke, but if he stays still they know exactly where to shell.
The terrible things those men suffered..... We'll never know nor understand. My mother's uncle flew multiple missions over Germany. He had terrible nightmares for the rest of his life afterward. Once he got home, in his mind, he realized that he had killed hundreds, maybe thousands of people with the bombs he dropped. At least, that's what Mom thought. He probably saw buddies killed too. He never talked about it. He was a successful businessman, but his wife had to move into a separate bedroom because he'd wake up screaming. War is worse than hell. It destroys everything. Rest in peace, gentlemen. Thank you.
But can you imagine what it's like being in that tiger tank though? Sure the tank shrugs off those shells but you're still gonna feel it if you're in that thing, especially so many times.
It’s a great scene, unnerving, spine chilling, and overall really enjoyable, although it’s understandable that they had to make some accuracy compromises for the sake of the scene, it doesn’t really affect it that much One notable one is that Fury was actually equipped with a 76mm gun instead of a 75mm like the other Shermans, so although it’s accurate for the rest of them to want to get close to the tiger to have a better shot, Fury should have been more than able to land ª penetrating hit right at the start, y’know, instead of rushing to the back
@@javierquintal7301 Fury was an M4A3 E8, also known as an Easy 8. And you're right, it should have been able to penetrate the frontal armor of the Tiger. But, in training, tankers are taught to go for where the armor is weakest, which is in the back around the engine. So when Brad Pitt's charecter said "Shoot them in the ass!" it was pretty close to what they were taught in training at that time.
My grandfather, at age 18, drover a Sherman tank in the same battalion as in Fury. I was so young when he died I never got to speak to him about his endeavors. All I know from my parents is that his gunner died which messed him up mentally. It must’ve been hell out there.
You know he drove a tank. You know he drove a tank in the same battalion as this movie. You also never once talked to him about and the only thing you know is that he was mental from the experience. Also, your profile picture is you standing alone in a bathroom in your damn underwear. I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that you are just looking for some attention with this comment
And you’re proud to be a vegan! Lmao Oh yeah. Lie confirmed. Imagine driving a tank in a WW and later seeing your vegan grandson post photos of himself in his underwear on the internet 😂😂😂 I doubt your grandfather even saw a tank in real life
My grandad was one of Patton's tank commanders. Went from E-1 to E6 in less than a year. His unit patch was the same one Brad Pitt is wearing. He never talked about it much. His advice on combat with a Tiger was, "shoot it in the ass, then run like hell," The balls on those guys. I manned a .50 in Iraq. Took an anti-tank rocket through the Humvee. The only reason it didn't blow me entirely out of the turret is because we had two doors open at the time. Was still hot enough to cause the rounds on my buddy's flak jacket to cook off inside the magazines. Ever opened a blast furnace or a pottery kiln? I can't imagine tank warfare. Screw that.
My grandfather was a tank commander in WW2, took a shell that killed all in the tank but my grandfather. He was hurt but got out of inferm and went back to command another tank. He never talked about it and when he did he down played it but those kids were wired differently.
Thanks to our brave men and women who served in our Armed Forces during World War II. We owe you a huge debt of gratitude that we will ALWAYS remember.
@@mecaborg Such a load of shit lol. The US provided steel and manufacturing that made the victory possible, oh and spearheaded the normandy invasion and had 550,000 casualties in the European theater, this doesn't even factor in the US Airforce and the bombing runs that severly hindered Germany's war infrastructure. What about the British intelligence as well and all the soldiers they lost, the half dozen other european nations that faught Nazis as well? You are at best a stooge and at worst a hateful propgandist.
Yup well those US Sherman Zippos were notorious for bursting into flames. And their shells had a tendency to bounce off the German tanks when fired head on.
@@septimuswarrensmith879 I cant believe this stupid myth is still persistent, and Death Trap by Belton Cooper is filled with so many factual errors and outright falsehoods
yeah its not like modern tanks with night vision and computers. Everythign was done by feel and line of sight, no AC. And I imagine running out of fuel and being stranded was a big problem. Now add in combat.
Brad Pitt earned my admiration for his acting after this movie. We always see ship battles, airplane battles, but this is the first tank movie I've seen and it is epic.
If you want to see great tank battle movie, watch the Soviet WW2 trilogy "Osvobozdenie" (Liberation). One of the parts portrays the biggest tank battle in the history, the Kursk battle. The movie was made in 70s, very well produced, considering we're talking 70's. I was teenager back then and I've never seen the movie again, but I remember I liked it. From modern production, I recommend Czech-Russian co-produced movie called T-34. It's got it's very good moments. Made on very small budget, it even made it into US theaters. It's got a bit of fairy tail story to it but shows some very interesting details to anyone who doesn't know anything about tanks, especially the Russian early and then beefed up version of T-34 and how mobile that thing was in the era when Tigers were supposed to be the ultimate tank weapon.
This is some of the most intense movie making I have ever ever watched. I can't imagine what it must have like to be a tanker in WWII, but this is absolutely chilling to the bone.
@@caleb8659 so can the Tiger. The two of them essentially had the same gun. Also this wasn’t how tank battles were done in the late war. The Germans barely had tanks to just casually leave in the ass end of nowhere. It would be closer to the actual front lines or abandoned if it broke down and the Tiger tank was abandoned a lot because it was over engineered for it’s time.
If that Tiger lean 30 deg, all shots will be bounced or stick to the armor. But just one to the under half of Tiger is enough to immobilized it and then burn the crew to death
@@caleb8659 The 76 mm M1, while an improvement over the previous 75 mm, was a disappointment in its promised performance vis-à-vis the Panther tank and upgraded models of the Panzer IV Ausf. H/J in the frontal arcs. This was the case of the 76 mm M1 versus the frontal armor of these tanks only. The other arcs did not present a problem.
"Lord's protection!" "We got it don't we boys?" "Yes, sir!" I always loved that little line. Came seconds from death and instantly falling back to humor to cope.
owallis that comment was not humour more of an invocation to thank God they had just survived that encounter , it's like knocking on wood so as not to jinx what just happened or what you just said - thankyou God and please keep us safe like you just did kind of incantation , you are right it's a beautifully written line that not all viewers would have picked up on it's significance .
@@anthonywright5275 I guess you forgot the first line when he Brad Pitt said "...good shot Gordo" and he said "not me, I'm just the tool". Even having the skill is a blessing/gift from God.
Never been on the battlefield. But one thing I know, it's nothing but insanity like this. That's why it needs to be mandatory that politicians send their family members. No excuses. They can't put other families in death's way without their own, as well.
@@rhmayer1 All volunteer service. You can be antiwar without gimmicks. The way you worded it made me chuckle though, I know plenty of people who wish they could send their mother-in-law to a battle field.
I can tell you that my first tour in Afghanistan, I crap my pants. The first group of taliban were very well trained. Unlikely the most recent pussy footing dumb asses we got now (guess we killed most of them). They poured water onto sand, so the muzzles don't kick dust up when they fired. Experienced. Great numbers. I was there for 28 months since November 01.
It's a great scene, well shot, and it really shows how terrifying tank combat is. The Tiger would not have broke cover and moved towards the Shermans though, and it's also unlikely that it would have been sitting alone without infantry support.
The movie is set at a point where Germany's defeat was inevitable but they were stubbornly fighting on, so encountering a lone tiger tank was perfectly plausible.
@@infinitemonkey917 That's a fair enough comment. They still wouldn't have moved towards the Sherman tanks though. It makes no sense at all. Also, those logs on the hull would not have saved the Fury from a hit at that range, but that's cinema eh?
@@DingKong They were trapped with the tree line behind them, so it was either sit still or move toward them. Since they were vulnerable in the rear I guess it would've made more sense not to move ? Yea, I doubt logs would've done much against a tank shell. Perhaps against machine guns though ?
@@infinitemonkey917 He meant the Tiger wouldn't move because its not the strategy they used in WW2. The shermans had to move in that scene (makes sense because of the trees)
imo the tiger broke cover because their position is revealed, if the tiger stood its ground, all the sherman need to do is spam smoke shells at it and flank it
@@daniel_cvlh1761 no it wouldn't have. The projectile the Sherman fires wasn't enough to penetrate the tiger tanks steel. The Germans used to make fun of Sherman's by calling them door knockers lol. One German soldier recounts sitting in his tiger tank and taking 22 direct hits before it caught fire and he was allowed to leave. The tiger tanks were scarier than hell
@@dutyofcall7659 no but usually youtube is an informal space were I try to get across my tone more than perfect grammar. What did I mess up? I love general Sherman. He killed inbreds then his namesake killed nazis.
Both my grandfathers were tankers in WWII. One a radio operator and the other a driver. I still remember stories of how terrifying it was to see shells bouncing off the german tanks. Both lost multiple tanks in the war. "Tommy cookers"
@@1337pl the Tiger crew moved up due to smoke being deployed. The Tiger crew knew 4 tanks where advancing and they needed visual contact in order to keep engaging otherwise they would be shooting at nothing...
Realism is whay makes the movie, imagine being seconds from death, and you manage to kill your apponent by sheer luck or divine intervention. Makes you really look at life in a different light
@@nipponsuxs Not always. Movies are an art, illusions, fantasies, escapes, make believe. If it was always real, why then would I want movies?? I have real life for that already…
Sure, its a "hollywood-style-tank-fight", but god damn the actors nailed it. Every face is full of terror the whole fight....u can feel them fighting for their lives...really really good job!
The actors are too old to be believable as soldiers. Most tankcrews were early 20 something. Brad Pitt is almost 60. It's getting close to Steven Seagal territory.
There's a WHOLE LOT wrong with this scene. Observe: Pitt and his tanks would've had a much easier time if they'd simply eaten wine & cheese, and caught some Rays using tin foil that morning, and played loud gypsy music when confronting the Tiger tank. It's a PROVEN technique.
The most obvious error in this scene is the handling of the tanks. The last thing the Shermans want is to open the range. It makes their shorter low-velocity guns (except for Fury) less effective. So, what do they do? They open the range. The last thing the Tiger wants is to close the range. It eliminates his advantage of a high-velocity gun. He is also hidden, possibly hull-down, in a prepared ambush. It's also harder for the Shermans to get behind him when he keeps his distance. What does he do? He closes the range. The Shermans also stay close together. They make it easy for him to keep his thick frontal armor facing them. They should have spread out, using their superior speed and numbers to get flank and rear shots. The Tiger also selects the wrong target. From the side, it is obvious that Fury is armed with a longer, high velocity gun, and is the most dangerous to him. He should have taken his first shot at Fury. But, Brad Pitt and crew have more scenes in this movie, so we can't kill them yet. Seeing Tiger 131 in action is a treat, though.
Imagine you were a tank commander and knew nothing about these analytics (which were made after the war), and by every second you think or hesitate, you loose one brother tank.
@@kaizhang563 I cannot imagine that anyone goes into combat with no tactics and no intel about the enemy at all, as you seem to be suggesting. Charging into battle with no plan killed four of these tanks and their crews.
"Best job i ever had..." My foster dad was in the 45th Infantry, hitched on tanks...gave it up: they drew fire...he hated their 88s, yet admired the accuracy of the other guys working them.
Aside all the tactics that are questionable, this is a very good scene considering that these guys managed to bring an actual Tiger tank out to show it into the screen
The thing I like about Fury, is Brad Pitt portrays a guy who knows he's living on borrowed time and right thru the film, "the eyes have it" i.e. his eyes have seen it all, and are out on stalks
It's a great scene I have to admit. The acting is tremendous! I have one flaw. There is no way the Tiger tank would engage forwardly. It would just remain in the bushed area or even reverse. These things were beasts at long range and pretty much unbreakable at the front. However, it is a movie - so hats off anyway. The intensity and drama of the scene is hardcore. Love it.
Still remember this battle scene i sow in movie seater. The noise if tank tacks from every were and cannons shooting was just unbelievable. I was just fully dived in as WW2 soldier
Hate it or whatever, but the cinematography and the ballistic physics of the shells and the metal and how it reacts and all that through particle systems and such is nothing short of Oscar worthy, and I give them props for getting that so right, as polarizing as the film as a whole might be, I love it, no cap!!!!...
Everyone of these actors put everything they could into their characters and everyone of them nailed it. You can see all of their faces, the fear, the heavy breath, the eyes. That is as real as the real tank battle could be in the real world. Especially World War II.
No that's not real. 4 tanks can't destroy a fucking tiger. 4 tank can kill a tiger with only one lose. And their aim was so bad. Only 3-4 yard and they can't hit "em.
So you know the actors personally? The extent to which they could act? And by "everything" what exactly does that mean? Share your extensive acting experience and knowledge of the individual actors and their craft.
What's wild is my great uncle was a Sherman commander who had four Shermans shot out from under him, and the worst that ever happened to him was he was in the hospital for about a month after one of them. My grandpa (US infantry, also in Europe) got leave to go pay his brother a get well visit during that one. I knew Shermans were wildly outclassed, but man, this movie gave me an appreciation for how amazing that was he lived through having four tanks destroyed. My grandpa told me later in life, after the war, his brother believed firmly that was God's protection, and he thought it might have had something to do with his refusal to ever use his tanks' flamethrower on German infantry because he thought killing another man that way was inhuman.
Your story brings me to something what bugged me in the movie. Everytime a tank is hit, the whole crew is written off by their comrades, they never even try to see if there are survivors. While your story is evidence you could survive and the backstory of Bratt Pitt's character also point to the fact the character know this.
Stats show that for every tank lost, they lost, on average, less than one crewman per tank. Shermans were the MOST survivable tank of the war. Just this scene alone requires them writing off and ignoring no less than 9 tank crewmen, by average. Edit: Math is hard. They wrote off TWELVE crewman in this scene
@@vanillagorilla911 i dunno if they "wrote them off", because they were actively engaged in battle; the enemy tank had to be destroyed, or they would all be destroyed. I'm sure their intent was to go back and look for survivors after the threat was eliminated.
Shermans weren't outclassed, Germany barely had any tanks to throw at them and there usually was a long gun Sherman to take care of the rare Panthers and Tigers, as the Germans mostly used StuGs and Panzer 4s/3s/2s
1:42 gives me goose bumps. You know the real men could of been like him, desperately wanting to jump out and run but bravery & duty kept there. Cannot even begin to what the Hero's went through. We will remember them.
*Bravery, duty, training, and knowing that if they deserted, they'd be executed anyway (however, I doubt in a life or death situation you'd be thinking that far ahead)
To be fair, they were up against a wall. They would have died in a POW camp or be slaughtered or win. Not a whole lot of options. Still bravery, but you’d have to be stupid to not take a good chance to work your way around that thing.
Matthew 26:52: Jesus said to him, "Put away the sword, for all who take up the sword will perish by the sword..." There are no winners in war, peace must be learned.
And the 'Grady! Grady! Grady!" after that, because he's like "Holy fuck, if I don't finish this, we are dead" and then his "Tank destroyed....." with such a sigh of relief is just... holy fuck, you can finally breathe with them, and that little spittle on his face, damn good acting, you can feel that desperation and tension.
I find it funny that a superior tank capable of destroying opponent tanks from a distance of 1000m would try to close distance and unveil its concealed position. Also, the woods on the side of that Sherman acted like an active protection system. Sides are not the most protected part of a tank, especially of those WW2 tanks. A direct hit from such a close distance means the entire Sherman would be just melted butter.
Regardless. The 76 Sherman's could have easily pentrated the tiger from 500m. I guessing they stuck with the myth for the Hollywood action. Plus it's an excuse to film 131 longer.
Regardless the tiger tank could've held position or changed instead of advancing on the three Sherman tanks There's this thing called "Dumb command and maneuvering" the tiger is heavy and slow but an very effective tank. It obviously should've shot Fury first knowing that tank was more dangerous than the other two Sherman's.
My grandfather was a B25 pilot, but met many tankers in the Pacific theatre. Japanese tanks were almost non existent he would tell me. The M4 was the biggest tank, but they used a few m24 Chafee tanks to help "cleanup". M4 Shermans were used in Croc form a lot for the flame thrower. But the survival ratio in pacific was much higher than in Europe, and in the pacific it was mines that destroyed most Sherman tanks. Grandfather was always befuddled how they can have such an advanced navy and airforce but never really develop anything good tank wise and anti tank wise except for the mines. Bombers in the pacific theater were much more prone to being shot down over Japan. Especially B25s since they were low flying "tactical" bombers instead of the b17 or b29 that would carpet bomb. Grandpa was never shot down though. He lost a couple gunners from AA but he was never hit, and the cockpit he was in was never hit. He flew approx 10-15 runs over a 2 month period. All over Japan.
The M4 had a survival rate of 4 out of 5 crewmen on the initial knockout blow. The rest of the tanker losses were incurred while the crews were doing something outside the tank. Something around 1,500 US tankers were lost in the entire war, losses nowhere near those of the bomber crews and infantry. The M4 had gun stabilization was relatively easy to field repair, and above all from an automotive standpoint was very sturdy and reliable in road marches. Later models featured wider tracks, a larger T23 turret, highly accurate 76mm gun and wet ammo storage. The truly disappointing thing with the later M4 Shermans was the late introduction and scarcity of HVAP rounds that would have made an immense difference in knocking out German armor.
I believe the reason why japanese didn't use many tanks was due to limited resources. They rather used the little steel they had on shis, submarines and planes. Also, can't remember his name, a japanese general, who too over the armed forces in late 30' just preferred infantry.
As someone who trained alongside m1 Abrams as an infantryman, nothing is more badass then running alongside one at night with NVGs and seeing it's rounds ricochet off the ground and fly up in the air
I love the camaraderie after the fight. They managed to capture a small slice of the bonding that takes place between servicemen. You spend an immeasurably long, f'd up day along side a bunch of men depending on one another not just to live, but to fulfil a mission, a higher calling... that's special. You'll never have brothers like that anywhere else. Not even blood is the same.
part of what pisses me off with the Republicans who oppose gays and women in the military. When the gay or black or woman helps save your ass, you don't see them as anything but a brother in arms. Trusting they have your back is ALL that matters and combat seals that trust. I don't care who has my back, as long as they have my back.
@@batsonelectronics hey, as a disabled combat vet let me be the first to tell you to shut the fuck up. Liberals can’t help but throw their politics in like maniacs about damn near everything, and that’s why the military is an absolute pandering PC correct shit show now vs the not so distant past. For your information-by the way, the best fighting men I ever knew never once talked about this shit and held traditional, conservative values.
Fury, being an “easy eight” late version, was the closest we had to matching their opponents until the M-26 Pershing arrived, too late to have much effect. A high velocity 76 mm gun, wet stowage, extra armor on sides and turret. The other tanks are earlier variants
mickey beam- True. But ALSO... Remember we had some other REAL GOOD an REAL EFFICIENT Tank Destroyer's. Like The American's Had the M18 Hellcat an the M36 Slugger. Which were REAL Effective at Killing german tanks. An the British had the VERY Effective Sherman Firefly. An also, remember The American's an The British Also had the Edge in Artillery an Air-Support. So we had X-Tra ways to REALLY MESS UP an HURT The germans REAL DAMN GOOD.
@@robertstevens913 yes and no but in this case yes. That tank battle was over once the Fury fired her gun. At the same time however, the Tiger should’ve already shot the Fury and destroyed her so the argument is moot. It’s a movie of historical fiction done in typical Hollywood fashion and we watch movies for fun, not for realism.
@@robertstevens913 Depending on range they would have had trouble with the Tiger's frontal armour. But... The Tiger had a very slow traverse. They would have spread out and given Fury a chance for a side shot.
@@MarkEMark79 The weakness of a draft is they have to give you a place to report to. Well, unless you're in Ukraine and they just run around in vans and kidnap you, lol. Even then, they have to give you a weapon at some point, and that's all you need. And actually, I think in WWII, all you had to do was be in college, I think that was still in effect so that rich people wouldn't have to fight.
so it is now)) , the Americans are destroying the Germans in the Russian fields, I used to think that there are two great nations: Russians and Germans. But now there are Russians and Americans.
My Uncle Ted got a medal on D Day for pulling his crew out of their burning Sherman while under fire. He couldn’t get them all out, so he had to keep going back. He was very quiet and unassuming, and nobody really knew what he’d done other than being on the beaches. It was only on the 50th anniversary when Auntie Vera said he was going to buy a new suit so he could meet President Clinton that the whole story came out. He told me that the British army called the earlier Shermans ‘Ronsons’ after the petrol lighter that was advertised as ‘lights first time.’ The Germans called them Tommycookers. The diesel ones were safer, and much more welcome. The irony was that we had an anti tank gun, the 17 pounder, that could take out a Tiger, but it wouldn’t fit into a tank. Eventually, we redesigned the Sherman turret and tilted the gun at an angle, and created the Firefly that could take on German tanks on a much more equal footing. Until then, the only real way of success was to gang up on them, like here.
I love how all these men get back to business at 7:46
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Even if this fight is not realistic at all (and I don't think it was the main objective of the film director), I can only appreciate how well the emotions and the chills are transmitted to the spectator : the sound design, the shots, the music, the acting, the panic in the actor's voices, everything is made to make you feel terrified, great job
Yeah, several things strike me as ridiculous. Like when War Daddy, (Brad Pitt) told him to reverse. What, right back into the Tiger's line of sight? Or again War Daddy using a rifle instead of the mounted machine gun right in front of him. Finally, the bow gunner shooting the tank commander? Weren't they running perpendicular?
Fury is not a realistic film and I don't think it tries to be honestly. I think what Fury really tries to do, and very much succeeded in, is showing the horrors of war and how it impacted everyone. It wasn't meant to be historically authentic it was more a story of horror.
My Grandfather was in REME and fixed and operated tanks all the way through WWII. He usually remained silent when we asked him about engaging the enemy but he did open up to me about the last few months of the war. He was a gentle man and non-violent but he vowed like many ex-tankers that if he met the guy responsible for the Sherman, he'd have to learn to walk again. He struggled with roast pork, in fact we never had it when he came round for Sunday roast. Reminded him of the inside of tanks he used to fix. That scene at the beginning of the film where Norman gets cleaning detail and has to remove the previous belt gunner's remains sets me off. Grandad never mentioned it but there was a reason he couldn't abide the smell of pork poor man.
I don’t quite understand though, because most accounts from soldiers were that the Sherman was overall a great tank. It had to be shipped across the ocean, and so the armor just couldn’t be as thick as a Tiger. Often crews would weld more plates on the front once they arrived to Europe. But overall, the Sherman was way more reliable than German and English tanks. Had a good gun and decent tech packed inside. They weren’t meant to fight tigers. We had tank destroyers for that purpose.
@@tyleredwards5643 Don't know about what actual combat the soldiers you spoke with saw but the ones I have weren't too happy about seeing 4 tank crews of their mates being killed for every German tank to be taken out. The weight of the Sherman for ocean voyage is a complete red herring. The armour wasn't as thick as the weight would require a bigger engine. The Sherman liked catching fire as was a petrol engine - the German tanks mostly diesel (which doesn't catch even if you throw a match on it). High profile so a nice easy target, unlike the British tanks. Best allied tank of WWII was the Cromwell it made the quickest and largest advance of any army in WWII when it covered 350 miles in 4 days up to the Belgian border in '44.
@@pompeytid1970 none of that matters when the tank breaks down constantly. Sherman’s didn’t break down nearly as much. You should probably do some research on this exact topic. Most Americans were very grateful to have the Sherman. Sherman crews were told not to engage Tigers or panthers, and to wait for air support.
@@tyleredwards5643 Yeah reliability great - so you can see 20 of your mates burn to death else get blown to bits for each Tiger - whoopdy do. The Sherman wasn't reliable and brewed up so much it earned the name the Ronson because it lit up first time. You should have spoken with some of the people who were actually there, instead of drinking the USA is best koolaid.
@@pompeytid1970 I have read real accounts, and Sherman’s encountering Tigers was very rare in the first place. Secondly, Russian t34s also became fire bombs once penetrated. The Sherman was always designed to be for infantry support, and soldiers were always happy to have them by their side. Perhaps, you, sir, should do your research. The simple fact is most tanks blow up once they’re penetrated because they have tons of ammunition stored in them, and not just fuel. Tigers were Heavy tanks, and Shermans were medium tanks. They Tiger and the Leopard were both notorious for breaking down constantly, and thus diminished the overall capability of the Germans. They required huge maintenance and we’re not feasible in Germany’s situation. There’s way more to a tank than just its armor - maneuverability, reliability, and capability. For the role the Sherman was designed to fulfill, it performed so well that the English decided to use them instead of Cromwells and add new guns to them so they be able to take out heavy armor at reasonable distances.
I think Norman's reaction is the most realistic: he can't do anything. He can't run. So what's he do? He lays down as much hate as he can out of pure anger and spite. Then when he finally gets a real target, he unloads all of his emotions into one burst followed by probably the loudest yell of his life. And he's left panting, worn out, and absolutely drained as the situation dawns on him and the adrenaline wears off. I think this is the real turning point of his character.
...this scene really hurts my head. By this time in the war, the German tankers had learned concealment and camouflage tactics as well as how to attack from cover Rule 1. Having spotted the column of Sherman's in single file meandering merely along the lead tank would have been taken especially showing their weaker side.Taking out the first thereby halting the Sherman's , then the Tiger would have taken out the very last tank jamming the column of Sherman's creating a traffic jam giving little options for a fight much less a chance to escape all before they even knew what or where the fire was, the best crews recieved the best equipment being late in the war and so few tigers being available,Learning from all these lessons had become common knowledge amongst German tankers Having fought years on the eastern front long before braddy Pitt and Hollywood missed this one .....again. ever notice how there aren't any movies about the evils of stalin or Mao or other communist regime. ....so I call bull
For as historically flawed as the movie can be it captures emotion so well, when the shells bounce you feel what the crew feels in utter fear. You become desensitized just like norm. Such a good movie
@@liviuc.3062 A lot of the tactics in this movie are pretty suspect you can find a handful of videos about it on TH-cam. As well as the kind of insane plot armor that fury the tank itself has not necessarily the crew because well they don't. But as I stayed and I don't really mind that stuff so much
@@mudflaps_se4594 What part exactly? The part where they blast half the cavalry or the part where the young German soldier pretends he doesnt see him under the tank?
I love the scene inside of a moving tank where it is so quiet and serene. Unlike other movies that falsely portray tanks as screeching metal beasts in need of constant axle grease, and loud motors spewing smoke.
I have operated some older machines , not tanks but big machines . There is a reason why all the old operators and farmers are deaf and have bad backs . Everything made noise , engine , transmission , hydraulics , drives . All of them were rough , had sharp edges and moving parts that were just waiting to remove digits or limbs
My dad was in Vietnam and he said he was at base one day during the Tet offensive and one of the tanks come in with its turret blown clean off no gun at all and he wanted them to refuel him, they thought he was concussed with no gun or crew left but he wanted to go back and just keep running guys over like he had been 😳
My dad was a member of the 761st, Battalion, he fought two wars from 1944 to the end of the war. One against the Germans and another against the very soldiers that didn't accept them as equals. At the end of the war, like the Tuskegee Airmen, his unit was engaged in more direct battles than any other unit in US history. Even the Battle of the Bulge. They were the first Tank unit into Germany that allowed General Patton to pass the Siegfried Line. In 1944, the 761st was assigned to General George S. Patton’s Third Army in France. Patton was well known for his colorful personality and upon meeting the troops, exclaimed: "Men, you’re the first Negro tankers to ever fight in the American Army. I would never have asked for you if you weren’t good. I have nothing but the best in my Army. I don’t care what color you are as long as you go up there and kill those Kraut sons of bitches. Everyone has their eyes on you and is expecting great things from you… Don’t let them down and damn you, don’t let me down!” Starting on November 7, 1944, the 761st Battalion served for over 183 consecutive days under General Patton. By comparison, most units at the front line only served one or two weeks. During the Battle of the Bulge, the 761st was up against the troops of the 13th SS Panzer Division, but by January 1945, the German forces had retreated and abandoned the road, which had been a supply corridor for the Nazi army. By the end of the Battle of The Bulge, three officers and 31 enlisted men of the 761st had been killed in action. By wars end they received 391 decorations for heroism. My dad once said, "nobody has a right to "Bitch" about America, unless you've put your ass on the line for America." Outside my father, myself and all three of my brothers were careered US military. From Normandy to Berlin, we were all there. Every race, creed and color fought for the liberation of Europe. And when he came home he couldn't sit anywhere on a public bus. Could not buy a house because they claim they lost his records for five years. While his comrades in arms were building their homes and communities. And yet we all served proudly and would do it again.
@@vy318 It`s not that simple. The US supplied the UDSSR before they declared war on the third Reich. Without the US material the Sowyet Union would `ve possibly collapsed by the speed of the german invasion.
Thank you for telling your story. It is allways enlighting to learn, how witnesses saw and undergone their times. My best wishes to you and family from Germany
In northwest Europe, Sherman’s faced Tigers three times. They went 1-1-1 in those actions. In Italy, Sherman 75’s knocked out Tigers regularly. Yes, the Tiger is bigger and tougher than a Sherman, but the notion that the Sherman required extraordinary luck to beat a Tiger was just so much postwar malarkey.
If you didn't see this at a theater with great sound then I pity you. It was FREAKING awesome. The ricochet sounds were incredible, it literally sounded and felt like rockets were flying from the screen, right over your head then behind you hitting the back wall. This and U-451.
@@jondunmore4268 HOLY SHIT!!! you're right. How did spell-check even spell that??? I swear I, at minimum, completed the 5th. grade. I did so well that I did the 5th. grade 3 consecutive years. Lol thanks. 👍
This film Broke me. Watching the last few minutes were sould destroying and I take my hats of to the men that went through this. God I miss films like this where you have a gutteral edge of your seat reaction to what is going on on screen.
Our neighbour was a WWII artillery vet. He used to tell how he was captured by the Germans. They came up against a single Tiger and fired a few shots that bounced off it's armour. Eventually they fashioned a white flag and surrendered.
Us forces only encountered tigers 3 times between d-day and victory day and 2 of the times the tanks were destroyed and if a artillery crew came into contact with a tiger and managed to fire the artillery at the tank it would of shredded right threw.
My friends didn't understand this until I pulled them into a tank with me. Never have I heard my buddy panic yelling "TANK LEFT SIDE LOAD AP. FIRE ON THAT MOFO" That and seeing a friendly tank get blasted in front of you fucks you up quite a bit lol. God I love hell let loose.
@@mimiko857 I had to stress the importance of that to him as well. I didn't drive anywhere into place with buildings until infantry got there lol. The nonsense chit chat between getting repaired and surviving a tank engagement or in general was so damn funny to me lol
One of those movies I can watch a thousand times and never tire of it. IMO, this is one of the best war movies EVER made...such great writing and talent.
Tank drivers are very short in stature. They lay on their backs and drive looking thru a periscope .the range appears upside down. So most burn too death. Last one out of a 3 man team. The tigers are a m8ghty killing machine. The Bradley's were devised, correcting the Sherman's designs flaws. Love it that this film us absolutely accurate. Well done. Salute! Test of courage.
Man, an intense scene from a very intense film. All the equipment was beaten up and weathered, like the men, providing realism. Scenes similar to this played out in the forests and towns with little record. God Bless all those MEN.
All of the vehicles are actually ww2 vehicles, essentially rented from the Bovingdon tank museum in the UK. That tiger is the 131, only restored Tiger I in the world (afaik) instead of a mockup. I won't be surprised if I'm wrong, however I believe this is it's first film debut, as it were.
Shia LeBouf Brad Pitt resonate well, the whole cast was so believable, they all did an amazing job, I just couldn't help but notice the energy, like A QB, with that one receiver that somehow always knows where your pass is going to become a catch and when to be there, they charged up the movie, excellent picture.
One of my all time favorite battle scenes. There was a Tiger that went up against some Russian tanks that made it out intact after being hit dozens of times. They were scary and tough.
Tiger was indeed scary and tough but, slower due to the extra armament ... the Mach III was their better overall tank , like the one Willy Kretzschmar of the 12th SS Panzer Div. used to take out 15 Allied Sherman tanks after D-day or like the ones Hans Von Luck used in North Afrika with Rommel against Montgomery !!!
The tiger was an amazing piece of work. Along side German fire arms. They were most modern as can be during their time. But everything has a flaw or flaws.
@@koreancowboy42 its crazy that they could make 2 panthers or 21 artillery pieces for the resources of 1 tiger 1. It was big and mean but it was overly engineered, a gas guzzler and broke down a lot. They could knock out 4 shermans but we had 10 more behind those and the US enough gas to drown the germans in it.
@Mruuuczek no shit -_- It's an Sherman firefly armed with an good gun. The German tiger and panther armors were high tech for their era. The bouncing rounds. Had their been an pak 40 waiting in hiding to support the Tiger or elite anti tank infantry. The Tiger tank in this video and movie should've held ground and focused on taking our Fury due to its bigger threat weaponry. It's like comparing an bomber and an fighter plane. Both armored with bombs and guns. But which is the most threatening? AAA guns would've focused fire an bomber down as the black target due to the larger bombs they carry and have stored. Than fighter planes who has one chance with bombs. Yamato battleship cruiser is an good example bombers did an great deal and also attack planes.
Yea, the sheer disbelief of these soldiers that a Tiger thats well positioned, hidden and could take out all of the Shermans easily would also charge to them making its chances alot lower. I would also be shocked.
You see 4 tanks moving in line. A good strategy is to hit the front tank first to halt the convoy and the last tank to trap the last 2 tanks. But Brad Pitt was in front so gotta change the strategy.
You know, I thought that too, but I think the strategy is to reduce not eliminate. One Tiger, regardless of build quality, would not survive that many tanks. The best would be to destroy the rear, take out 1 or 2 more, then retreat, regroup and re-engage. I'm no strategist, but I think that would work better.
@@Damon-qt3fw one tiger was worth five shermans and standard engagement practices was to hit the lead vehicle when targeting a convoy to halt and disrupt the convoys formation
The guys who made the film admitted it. They said the Tiger almost certainly would have smoked Fury first, it was the lead tank and it was also an Easy 8 with the 76mm. Fury actually could have penetrated the front armor of the Tiger at those short ranges. But, that would have made for a shit movie so they had it pop a different tank.
@@Elthenar that’s just bad script writing then. Should of had fury in the middle or very back. To not show to obvious.
@@macasaurusrex4863 no one tiger was not worth 5 shermans. Regaurdless assuming the tiger had not engaged fury with its first shot the tiger would have been dead, Fury would could pierce its frontal armor from that distance. There's also the issue the tiger would face of the other shermans shooting smoke at it.
I can't imagine how terrifying tank combat must have been. Knowing the next moment could be the one you explode in... and knowing that for days at a time. Those fellows had balls made of the same steel their tanks were.
That's how it is for ship crews as well.
Tens, hundreds, or thousands of crew all manning stations enclosed in the ship's steel walls.
Hearing announcements over the ship's internal communications system, and only knowing by the numbers and positions announced whether you are about to die.
If there's even an announcement before the big moment. If there isn't, then it's everyone else who hears the announcement of what just happened to everyone in your location.
Them fellas were the balls their tanks were dragging on the ground.
Tbh Any vehicle combat would be terrifying Sky, water, and land. they were the ones targeted, and usually only needed one good shot for everyone aboard to die. Imo the boats would be the worst at least in a tank or plane you usually get decimated along with it.
@@rhysjones1108 I think the boats would be the better one to be in, because there’s a lot more room for error on the enemies part. Like you’d have a better chance of surviving if your ship was getting lit up cause there is just so much of it. But like planes and tanks are only so big, and you got no room to go anywhere, you are literally stuck. I mean yeah if you survived a ship attack you’d just be stranded in the ocean, but you can still surivive that by staying afloat and doing your best to find land, or just pray that someone comes to rescue in time.
@Rhys Jones losing a tank crew or plane crew from their vehicle being taken out results in far less casualties than a battle ship getting struck and sunk. For a tank crew you lose like 4 or 5 people, for a plane crew you'd lose anywhere from 2-30 people, but a ship sinking can take out hundreds to thousands of people
The fear on Roy's face you can tell he knew his days were numbered. Good acting. Epic scene.
I was thinking the same thing
That actor played the hell out of that scene
He knew he had to sacrifice himself so that the 76 can deal with the tiger. Even though in reality it would have knocked out the 76 first and the 76 can go through a tiger front plate at that range so the whole having to get behind it thing was rediculous anyway. But still. For entertainment purposes it does the job. I still enjoyed it
That actor who played Roy did a great job of looking completely terrified and still being able to function.
Juxtaposed with the German tank commander's voice. German can be such an intimidating sounding language: you don't have to understand it to be scared!
@@smolwavingsnail9028 i mean were Not watching a documentary here, lol.
My friends father served as a tanker. Never talked about it but said to his son when he enlisted,"don't go into the armor unless you can give up enjoying cookouts like I do".
Why?
@@Legend-ib9ik Once you experienced a tank on fire with it's crew still in it the sight and smell never leaves you.
Yo. That's dark
@@talister106 Damn. That's what I figured
Jesus
My Dad was a tank mechanic. Worked on M-4’s,M-47’s, & M-48’s. He told me you could fry eggs on Tanks they were so hot. He taught me allot about basic motor repair and maintenance. A real renaissance man. Superman to me…
Nobody care about your little daddy who was a mechanic LOL
@@AntonNas-ph6ul Except the tank crews.
@@AntonNas-ph6ul I do, my dad was a mechanic in the merchant marine
@@AntonNas-ph6ul Ignore @AntonNas-ph6ul. He/she/they're just a piss-ant troll that wants to annoy people like a nat. Doesn't understand about heroism, bravery, self-sacrifice, or a father's love for his son.
@@AntonNas-ph6ul It's primitive to say something like that about someone's father. Moreover it says "Nobody careS".
This scene scares the shit out of me everytime, the fact they survive, and the emotional aftermath from surviving is utterly crushing. The acting here is phenomenal.
You call that acting...?. Sesame Street does it better.
@@someoneelse.2252 Are you blind, tarded or just trolling for some spergout?
the battle was gripping, and it is good this clip included the aftermath part. Each character pulled themselves together, or something, but each was clearly at the edge of sanity at the end of the battle. And such close quarters, to communicate a moment from character to character! That's skilled film-making. In like 3 minutes we learn who these people are at a pretty far-out-there level, and the actors pull it off imo. Pitt can carry this kind of weight as a lead, too. The aftermath is what really gets me about this scene. The battle sinks in for the viewer, too.
Nothing is more scary than a Tiger tank with a high-velocity 88 mm.
>acting.
When the shells are just bouncing off of the Tiger Tank and not causing any damage, that to me is the most terrifying part of this scene. Gives those who are trying to kill you a sense of immortality. That you don't have a single chance in the world.
Those Tiger's could take a hit better than Angelina Jolie.
Except any of those Shermans would have been able to penetrate the armor on a tiger
@@slpater1 sure from the side or back, sometimes. I was wondering when a contrararian troll would show up. What took you so long?
@@andrewf0784 The gun on Fury could have easily penned the front of the Tiger 1 at that distance.
@@andrewf0784 2 of the Shermans could've penetrated the front of the Tiger. The first Sherman that got shot, and Fury. The Tiger commander would've targetted Fury or the other 76 first. But then there would be no movie.
For those who didn't know, that actually WAS a real Tiger tank used in the movie. The only operational one still remaining, if I'm not mistaken.
From the tankmuseum att Dorset/Bovington.
Tiger 131
Huh and they agreed to just let Brad Pitt destroy it in a movie like that?! Not cool.
Are you serious? 🤯Holy shit.
@@pogromcagrazynek8214 :D
Logan Lerman's (Norman's) acting in this scene is underrated. You can see a perfect mix between rage and fear in his face and that he is trying to overcome his sympathy toward the enemy.
The guy playing Roy the other tank commander did a good job of looking completely terrified.
The low music when the tiger is revealed is genius
Yeah, it gave that ominous "final boss" vibe
The tiger tank can take some freaking hits
These things were legendary on the western front - even the best armor corps feared squaring up to a tiger
Американцы молодцы даже в обычном бою покажут себя бессмертными и будут сидеть в открытом люке показывая мы крутые
It's like some sort of mythical predator emerging from it's lair
My friend may he rest in peace. Joseph Cancellara he told me about his first encounter with a Tiger tank in WW2 after landing in France with the 82 airborne. He said it was like looking at a mountain with a gun in it. The terror he still felt to that day.
Rip
Rip to all our brave veterans
so it is now)) , the Americans are destroying the Germans in the Russian fields, I used to think that there are two great nations: Russians and Germans. But now there are Russians and Americans.
Не зря вас немцы в Арденнах ссаными тряпками гоняли.
Очень жаль,что Виттман так мало вас,англосаксов отправил в ад.
geez
People rag on about the combat accuracy of this movie, but I bet one thing they got right is capturing the sheer terror of fighting in combat in one of these things. In fact, I venture to guess there is no amount of cinematography that can capture it...but these scenes certainly make your appreciate everyone who has ever served in these tanks.
It isn't even close to accurate.
@@zippymufo9765 Most disappointing thing about this film. Just a waste of the only real functioning original Tiger I
@@cleanerben9636 Well, it's always going to be a balance between accuracy and drama. Accuracy isn't always interesting or exciting in a storytelling format. People want to see those tanks churning and maneuvering and firing at each other, wether it would have happened that way or not.
I dont know what youre talking about. Two crews get obliterated and Brad Pitt is like: "dayum".
Thank you for this clip. My dad drove a Sherman tank, UK, he said virtually nothing about it. He told my brother he was as at Belson, the Nazi death camp. Never said much to me . Said the tracks skidded on the cobblestone roads in Germany! Strange how much we don’t know.
That Tiger is 131, the only one in the world still in full working order. I've been to see it several times at Bovington (UK) where it lives. The same museum also has a King Tiger, which is an absolute beast, and also the most terrifying (to me) of all - a Jagdtiger. It's 8 inch thick frontal armor was impervious to any allied shell from any allied tank, at any range, and a direct hit from its stupendous 128mm main gun was simply unsurvivable. I can't imagine what it would have been like having to go up against one of the 85 of these that Nazi Germany fielded. Fortunately for the allies, the Jagdtiger's appeared quite late in the war and their crews had no time to get used to them or get much training in. As a result, they were not used as effectively as they could have been, and with the allies having air superiority at that time, they were vulnerable to dive bombing and such.
great comment
Well more Jagdtigers was lost because of mechanical issues than actually in combat. It is a perfect example of failed Nazi late war design. Way to heavy and under powered to be of practical use on the battlefield. I mean yes the 128mm gun is terrifying as it is but putting it on a vehicle that at any moment can just decide its gonna be a bunker now is just pointless. You can train your crews how much you want but when your vehicle just won't do what it is supposed to it does not matter. The Jagdtiger was a failure and while it might have looked like a fearsome beast it is not a good design.
Ahhh I've remembered the name of the American one. It's the T28 Super Heavy. Very cool with four tracks! Same sort of thing as the Tortoise I suppose.
@@TheAmazingAdventuresOfMiles T95 is the one youre talking about T28 didnt realy exist its just a made up thing by WoT and WT
Yeah man, terrifying. The Sherman was no match for this monster.
Every soldier has a story. May they all be remembered forever.
Sadly most are forgotten and their sacrifices used disgustingly.
The west dosent care about history and the world wars and history is being distort and its up to simple people who interest in the truth spread the word cause what you leard in history at school isint even 1/10 of what realy happened and some stories arent even told who are also interesting
War is old men talking and young men dying
free Germany from USA
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This movie taught me one huge thing - it's great to be in a tank when your side is dominant, it's awful to be in a tank when your side is under attack.
Tiger tanks were just impressive machines with super think armour this is well portrayed.
@@grahamwillis585 It was about the gun, just like the A-10, but on treads...
Actually the lesson is...
It's awful to be in a tank...
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The element of surprise is a world of difference in tank combat. Being caught unaware and out of position is a death sentence. Whoever sees the other tank first is usually the victor. That's why modern tanks put such a huge effort into good optics
The Iraq War was all fun and games for tankers until the insurgents figured out how to destroy our Abrams tanks.
The local barber in my home town was a WWII vet. He commanded a half track. He took part in the battle of the bulge .One day I asked him about the Tiger. He looked at me with horror and fear in his eyes. He simply replied. We camouflaged ourselves and hid from those bastards. He never really liked to speak of his exploits. He was a truly humble person. I loved him very much. The nicest person in the whole community. Hair cut and a shave $5.00. God bless Don Robbins you are truly missed
Looked up his obituary. Another great American from the Greatest Generation gone.
My grandfather drove a half track in the Third Armored division…NOT Patton’s 3rd Army, as he often had to correct people after the war.
Most of his nightmares came from what he saw at the Nordhausen concentration camp. At the time, he took a few pictures because he thought no one back home would ever even believe it.
Stories weren’t easy to come by.
Their general was the highest rank casualty of WW2…at least from enemy fire.
@@minnesotajack1 do u know what revisionists say about the camps in 2023?
Do you know what patton said about the germans? 😑..,...
@@theyliedtoyouaboutworldwar1944
I can only imagine… but the answer to your question is no.
Usually revisionists focus on the Pacific front with its internment camps at home and nuclear weapon usage overseas.
He must have hidden very well, since Americans more or less never fought a German Big Cat.
That's a hard scene. I use to have a cup of coffee with an old WWII Tank driver, Jack Mortiarty. Great guy. He'd tell me all the time about what it was like inside one of those things. After he passed on, his wife told he how difficult it was for him after the war. He recieved the Silver Star and a Purple Heart.
Bless his heart and any man or boy that survived war, and i mean any country, good boys were sent to die on both sides because weak man in power called the shots
Rest in paradise Mr. Mortiarty 🤝
Well if he was 893rd tank destroyers he’s alright by me..
i can't think of much lower than lying about interactions with veterans.
@@porlorlorl What an incredible statement.
The TIGER would never go out of his position..he would just stand there and kill them all easy...
He had to. Because otherwise Brad Pitt would die sooner XD
Not all the time. Sherman firefly did take out tigers.
Staying in its position would not have been the right call tactically because of the smoke. The Shermans can continue maneuvering and the Tiger won't know where they are because of the smoke, but if he stays still they know exactly where to shell.
Wasn't the smoke because the tiger randomly caught on fire again? 😂
This scene still gives me chills on my spine, and it's like 5 years passed since I saw this movie.
Same, I get chilled every time I watch it, the soundtrack, the speeches, the dark scene, the sheer terror in their faces, the raw combat, amazing!
saw it in theaters in 2014..Fury actually came out on my 27th bday (10-17-14)!! 🪖💣🏚
Dude, it's like 5 years? Like no way. Like.
@@elelegidoriginal 7 Years Now
Seriously? it's funny, the tank commander in battle with an open hatch sticking his head out)))
My Father-in-Law was a tank squad sergeant during WWII. He served in Africa. Whenever he spoke of the war, he would be in tears.
The terrible things those men suffered..... We'll never know nor understand. My mother's uncle flew multiple missions over Germany. He had terrible nightmares for the rest of his life afterward. Once he got home, in his mind, he realized that he had killed hundreds, maybe thousands of people with the bombs he dropped. At least, that's what Mom thought. He probably saw buddies killed too. He never talked about it. He was a successful businessman, but his wife had to move into a separate bedroom because he'd wake up screaming. War is worse than hell. It destroys everything. Rest in peace, gentlemen. Thank you.
Dude...who cares? We are watching Tank-Action here.
@@Cpl._Dwayne_Hicks On this thread they're talking about what war can do to a soldier's mind.
@@chrissimon8368 This is your opinon, not mine.
@@Cpl._Dwayne_Hicks the whole comment section are filled with these, I guess just respect them
2:13 Seeing it just deflect off that armor is terrifying
Pov : This 3 Bully Fighting Your Big brother Without Taken Damges
That's exactly why they put so many slants in the armor
But can you imagine what it's like being in that tiger tank though? Sure the tank shrugs off those shells but you're still gonna feel it if you're in that thing, especially so many times.
It’s a great scene, unnerving, spine chilling, and overall really enjoyable, although it’s understandable that they had to make some accuracy compromises for the sake of the scene, it doesn’t really affect it that much
One notable one is that Fury was actually equipped with a 76mm gun instead of a 75mm like the other Shermans, so although it’s accurate for the rest of them to want to get close to the tiger to have a better shot, Fury should have been more than able to land ª penetrating hit right at the start, y’know, instead of rushing to the back
@@javierquintal7301 Fury was an M4A3 E8, also known as an Easy 8. And you're right, it should have been able to penetrate the frontal armor of the Tiger. But, in training, tankers are taught to go for where the armor is weakest, which is in the back around the engine. So when Brad Pitt's charecter said "Shoot them in the ass!" it was pretty close to what they were taught in training at that time.
Watching this movie in theatres brought a whole extra level of fear. I remember the sound of the tiger shell zooming past it felt like you were there.
The shells bouncing off of the tiger is exactly like my grandpa described it. Crazy seeing it in film.
My grandfather, at age 18, drover a Sherman tank in the same battalion as in Fury. I was so young when he died I never got to speak to him about his endeavors. All I know from my parents is that his gunner died which messed him up mentally. It must’ve been hell out there.
We have inherited his commitment to freedom. Thank you
@@chmmwv457 fuck, can you imagine being 18, still a kid nowhere even close to being an adult, be in this insane massacre.
@@ee214verilogtutorial2 You'll know too in a couple of years.
You know he drove a tank. You know he drove a tank in the same battalion as this movie. You also never once talked to him about and the only thing you know is that he was mental from the experience.
Also, your profile picture is you standing alone in a bathroom in your damn underwear.
I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that you are just looking for some attention with this comment
And you’re proud to be a vegan!
Lmao
Oh yeah.
Lie confirmed.
Imagine driving a tank in a WW and later seeing your vegan grandson post photos of himself in his underwear on the internet
😂😂😂
I doubt your grandfather even saw a tank in real life
My grandad was one of Patton's tank commanders. Went from E-1 to E6 in less than a year. His unit patch was the same one Brad Pitt is wearing. He never talked about it much. His advice on combat with a Tiger was, "shoot it in the ass, then run like hell," The balls on those guys. I manned a .50 in Iraq. Took an anti-tank rocket through the Humvee. The only reason it didn't blow me entirely out of the turret is because we had two doors open at the time. Was still hot enough to cause the rounds on my buddy's flak jacket to cook off inside the magazines. Ever opened a blast furnace or a pottery kiln? I can't imagine tank warfare. Screw that.
My grandfather was a tank commander in WW2, took a shell that killed all in the tank but my grandfather. He was hurt but got out of inferm and went back to command another tank. He never talked about it and when he did he down played it but those kids were wired differently.
God bless you both.
Thank you for your service!
@@hommie789
God bless you both!
Thank you for you and your Grandad's service sir!!!
1/66th Armor 2nd AD
(Iron Knights)
I served with this unit during the Cold War. 1987-1990. before going to the 1991 Persian Gulf War.
Thanks to our brave men and women who served in our Armed Forces during World War II. We owe you a huge debt of gratitude that we will ALWAYS remember.
You mean the Soviet Union? They were true heroes. US entered the war last quarter.
@@mecaborg pidorashki kak vsegda, so svoimi skazkami...kak zje vi zaebali
@@mecaborg Such a load of shit lol. The US provided steel and manufacturing that made the victory possible, oh and spearheaded the normandy invasion and had 550,000 casualties in the European theater, this doesn't even factor in the US Airforce and the bombing runs that severly hindered Germany's war infrastructure. What about the British intelligence as well and all the soldiers they lost, the half dozen other european nations that faught Nazis as well? You are at best a stooge and at worst a hateful propgandist.
My best friend's dad was a tank guy in WW2,....he never was "right" after the war,....I can't imagine the stress/fear these men had to deal with.
Yup well those US Sherman Zippos were notorious for bursting into flames. And their shells had a tendency to bounce off the German tanks when fired head on.
@@septimuswarrensmith879 I cant believe this stupid myth is still persistent, and Death Trap by Belton Cooper is filled with so many factual errors and outright falsehoods
yeah its not like modern tanks with night vision and computers. Everythign was done by feel and line of sight, no AC. And I imagine running out of fuel and being stranded was a big problem. Now add in combat.
War is hell.
Wie alt bist du ? 80 Jahre ?
Brad Pitt earned my admiration for his acting after this movie. We always see ship battles, airplane battles, but this is the first tank movie I've seen and it is epic.
You should watch T-34 then.
lol what?
If you want to see great tank battle movie, watch the Soviet WW2 trilogy "Osvobozdenie" (Liberation). One of the parts portrays the biggest tank battle in the history, the Kursk battle.
The movie was made in 70s, very well produced, considering we're talking 70's. I was teenager back then and I've never seen the movie again, but I remember I liked it.
From modern production, I recommend Czech-Russian co-produced movie called T-34. It's got it's very good moments. Made on very small budget, it even made it into US theaters. It's got a bit of fairy tail story to it but shows some very interesting details to anyone who doesn't know anything about tanks, especially the Russian early and then beefed up version of T-34 and how mobile that thing was in the era when Tigers were supposed to be the ultimate tank weapon.
I thought the scenes played here his acting sucked none of the parts where he was in danger and shouted "goddam"were convincing
If its first tank movie, then feel sorry for you. Nothing epic in this stupid scene at all
This is some of the most intense movie making I have ever ever watched. I can't imagine what it must have like to be a tanker in WWII, but this is absolutely chilling to the bone.
Its even worse in russian invasion of Ukraine. All that drones, altilery, javelins, mines. You are screwed if you are in a tank
@@konradpieniazek5200 yeah all those gadgets, war is different now and to be honest if I had to choose I'd rather fight in earlier wars
@@konradpieniazek5200 screwed if you're in a Russian tank i guess.
Nah I think you dont. Medical treatment was way worse back than. @@pbluma
@@HerzAusStahlYT If I could, I'd prefer to serve somewhere in the back, doing logistics and stuff, you know roles where you can actually stay alive.
“Its a fucking beast” 😂😂😂
Seeing two rounds bounce cleanly off would have to be the most terrifying thing in the world for a new recruit.
If it makes the recruit feel better anyone inside would have their ears be ringing and be disoriented.
it also wouldn't have happened. The Easy 8 could penetrate the front armor of a tiger from over a kilometer.
@@caleb8659 so can the Tiger. The two of them essentially had the same gun. Also this wasn’t how tank battles were done in the late war. The Germans barely had tanks to just casually leave in the ass end of nowhere. It would be closer to the actual front lines or abandoned if it broke down and the Tiger tank was abandoned a lot because it was over engineered for it’s time.
If that Tiger lean 30 deg, all shots will be bounced or stick to the armor. But just one to the under half of Tiger is enough to immobilized it and then burn the crew to death
@@caleb8659 The 76 mm M1, while an improvement over the previous 75 mm, was a disappointment in its promised performance vis-à-vis the Panther tank and upgraded models of the Panzer IV Ausf. H/J in the frontal arcs. This was the case of the 76 mm M1 versus the frontal armor of these tanks only. The other arcs did not present a problem.
"Lord's protection!"
"We got it don't we boys?"
"Yes, sir!"
I always loved that little line. Came seconds from death and instantly falling back to humor to cope.
owallis that comment was not humour more of an invocation to thank God they had just survived that encounter , it's like knocking on wood so as not to jinx what just happened or what you just said - thankyou God and please keep us safe like you just did kind of incantation , you are right it's a beautifully written line that not all viewers would have picked up on it's significance .
Lol because everyone knows religion is humor. They saved themselves, not "god" 😂
@@anthonywright5275 I guess you forgot the first line when he Brad Pitt said "...good shot Gordo" and he said "not me, I'm just the tool". Even having the skill is a blessing/gift from God.
@@locotx215 Lol that's because it's a movie, fake like Jesus. I get you live in Texas, but let's stop being brainwashed by fairytales 😂
@@anthonywright5275 One day you will wish that you believed in that so called fairy tale. Hopefully, its not too late when you do.
I can't even imagine how intense and nerve racking moments like these were on the battlefield.
Absolutely insane.
Never been on the battlefield. But one thing I know, it's nothing but insanity like this. That's why it needs to be mandatory that politicians send their family members. No excuses. They can't put other families in death's way without their own, as well.
@@rhmayer1 All volunteer service. You can be antiwar without gimmicks. The way you worded it made me chuckle though, I know plenty of people who wish they could send their mother-in-law to a battle field.
I can tell you that my first tour in Afghanistan, I crap my pants. The first group of taliban were very well trained. Unlikely the most recent pussy footing dumb asses we got now (guess we killed most of them). They poured water onto sand, so the muzzles don't kick dust up when they fired. Experienced. Great numbers. I was there for 28 months since November 01.
@@vegawan4765 Oh shit really? That's actually smart as hell
Adrenalin 120%
It's a great scene, well shot, and it really shows how terrifying tank combat is.
The Tiger would not have broke cover and moved towards the Shermans though, and it's also unlikely that it would have been sitting alone without infantry support.
The movie is set at a point where Germany's defeat was inevitable but they were stubbornly fighting on, so encountering a lone tiger tank was perfectly plausible.
@@infinitemonkey917 That's a fair enough comment. They still wouldn't have moved towards the Sherman tanks though. It makes no sense at all. Also, those logs on the hull would not have saved the Fury from a hit at that range, but that's cinema eh?
@@DingKong They were trapped with the tree line behind them, so it was either sit still or move toward them. Since they were vulnerable in the rear I guess it would've made more sense not to move ?
Yea, I doubt logs would've done much against a tank shell. Perhaps against machine guns though ?
@@infinitemonkey917 He meant the Tiger wouldn't move because its not the strategy they used in WW2. The shermans had to move in that scene (makes sense because of the trees)
imo the tiger broke cover because their position is revealed, if the tiger stood its ground, all the sherman need to do is spam smoke shells at it and flank it
loved this scene, the actors do such a good job of showing how terrifying the Tiger tank was in combat compared to the Sherman tanks
Killed inbreds then nazis, Gen Sherman was a legend!
2:26 that would have killed the tiger 100000000%
@@daniel_cvlh1761 no it wouldn't have. The projectile the Sherman fires wasn't enough to penetrate the tiger tanks steel. The Germans used to make fun of Sherman's by calling them door knockers lol. One German soldier recounts sitting in his tiger tank and taking 22 direct hits before it caught fire and he was allowed to leave. The tiger tanks were scarier than hell
@@ANTIStraussian Did you learn english with google translator?
@@dutyofcall7659 no but usually youtube is an informal space were I try to get across my tone more than perfect grammar. What did I mess up?
I love general Sherman. He killed inbreds then his namesake killed nazis.
idk what it is, but that "CLEAR" every time gives me chills
Clear of the gun’s recoil.
The loader is clear of the gun recoil
Both my grandfathers were tankers in WWII. One a radio operator and the other a driver. I still remember stories of how terrifying it was to see shells bouncing off the german tanks. Both lost multiple tanks in the war. "Tommy cookers"
Definitely ranks as one of the most intense and terrifying war scene ever in a movie. Great acting, directing and everything else
Yeah but unrealistic in real the Tiger stay there Take Fury out an then the others
@@1337pl the Tiger crew moved up due to smoke being deployed. The Tiger crew knew 4 tanks where advancing and they needed visual contact in order to keep engaging otherwise they would be shooting at nothing...
@@elliottapfel3609 still unrealistic
daz bot comes close
Stabbing scene in Saving Private Ryan has always stuck with me.
Let’s not kill everything with Realism and just enjoy the Film.
Maybe lets make accurate movies where they dont portrate germans as stupid nazi animals, and americans as superheroes?
People say that about the bible as well 🤣
To be fair, i prefer this movie over most books, (especially) including holy ones.
Realism is whay makes the movie, imagine being seconds from death, and
you manage to kill your apponent by sheer luck or divine intervention. Makes you really look at life in a different light
@@nipponsuxs Not always. Movies are an art, illusions, fantasies, escapes, make believe. If it was always real, why then would I want movies?? I have real life for that already…
@@metalrocker627 because realistic badazz stuff actually happens and some people would like their movies to depict it in a believable way.
Sure, its a "hollywood-style-tank-fight", but god damn the actors nailed it. Every face is full of terror the whole fight....u can feel them fighting for their lives...really really good job!
Yeah. Superb movie
like when they told the soldiers that german mg42 was shitty
The actors are too old to be believable as soldiers. Most tankcrews were early 20 something. Brad Pitt is almost 60. It's getting close to Steven Seagal territory.
Other than the Tiger would have gone after Fury first since it had a bigger gun than the other 2 and would be considered the biggest threat.
There's a WHOLE LOT wrong with this scene. Observe: Pitt and his tanks would've had a much easier time if they'd simply eaten wine & cheese, and caught some Rays using tin foil that morning, and played loud gypsy music when confronting the Tiger tank. It's a PROVEN technique.
That "Roger, Roger!" by Shia was biblical! 100000/10.
The most obvious error in this scene is the handling of the tanks.
The last thing the Shermans want is to open the range. It makes their shorter low-velocity guns (except for Fury) less effective. So, what do they do? They open the range.
The last thing the Tiger wants is to close the range. It eliminates his advantage of a high-velocity gun. He is also hidden, possibly hull-down, in a prepared ambush. It's also harder for the Shermans to get behind him when he keeps his distance. What does he do? He closes the range.
The Shermans also stay close together. They make it easy for him to keep his thick frontal armor facing them. They should have spread out, using their superior speed and numbers to get flank and rear shots.
The Tiger also selects the wrong target. From the side, it is obvious that Fury is armed with a longer, high velocity gun, and is the most dangerous to him. He should have taken his first shot at Fury. But, Brad Pitt and crew have more scenes in this movie, so we can't kill them yet.
Seeing Tiger 131 in action is a treat, though.
It's a movie lol 🤣
@@jriverawy2287 So what ?
Imagine you were a tank commander and knew nothing about these analytics (which were made after the war), and by every second you think or hesitate, you loose one brother tank.
@@kaizhang563 I cannot imagine that anyone goes into combat with no tactics and no intel about the enemy at all, as you seem to be suggesting. Charging into battle with no plan killed four of these tanks and their crews.
@@lareponse4745 so what
"Best job i ever had..."
My foster dad was in the 45th Infantry, hitched on tanks...gave it up: they drew fire...he hated their 88s, yet admired the accuracy of the other guys working them.
Aside all the tactics that are questionable, this is a very good scene considering that these guys managed to bring an actual Tiger tank out to show it into the screen
from the bovington tank museum UK
this is the dumbest tank battle ever.
THE tiger tank. There is only one functinal tiger tank left in the world, from the tank museum in the UK where they drive it around in their shows.
Greatest tank battle scene in history!!
No. Propaganda.
3:53 Love how Pitt avoids bullets lmao
The thing I like about Fury, is Brad Pitt portrays a guy who knows he's living on borrowed time and right thru the film, "the eyes have it" i.e. his eyes have seen it all, and are out on stalks
It's a great scene I have to admit. The acting is tremendous!
I have one flaw. There is no way the Tiger tank would engage forwardly. It would just remain in the bushed area or even reverse. These things were beasts at long range and pretty much unbreakable at the front. However, it is a movie - so hats off anyway. The intensity and drama of the scene is hardcore. Love it.
You know it's a MOVIE, right? Realism isn't cinematic.
@@zippymufo9765 read it again my friend.
@@zippymufo9765 dude, read the whole sentence
They may have been trying to get out of the smoke.
@@GShoeShoe they may have indeed sir!
Still remember this battle scene i sow in movie seater. The noise if tank tacks from every were and cannons shooting was just unbelievable. I was just fully dived in as WW2 soldier
Hate it or whatever, but the cinematography and the ballistic physics of the shells and the metal and how it reacts and all that through particle systems and such is nothing short of Oscar worthy, and I give them props for getting that so right, as polarizing as the film as a whole might be, I love it, no cap!!!!...
I don't get why it was polarizing
@@jhan_drums well you are a simple man
@@kimmosanky7353 go play basketball u know nothing
I like the movie. I don’t know what y’all are talking about
@@spedman56 it's ok if you like it and others don't. I myself think the movie is horrible in just about every aspect possible.
This movie doesn't get old for me. It's earned its place on my hard drive.
😂😂😂🤣🤣 This is a great film it has fully earned its illegally torrented place on my hard drive also
Número of movie
Everyone of these actors put everything they could into their characters and everyone of them nailed it.
You can see all of their faces, the fear, the heavy breath, the eyes.
That is as real as the real tank battle could be in the real world.
Especially World War II.
No that's not real. 4 tanks can't destroy a fucking tiger. 4 tank can kill a tiger with only one lose. And their aim was so bad. Only 3-4 yard and they can't hit "em.
@@GenyoBenyo Dude it's real. I was the tiger tank in this movie.
So you know the actors personally? The extent to which they could act? And by "everything" what exactly does that mean? Share your extensive acting experience and knowledge of the individual actors and their craft.
The Battle is shit cgi
Sorry you got attacked like this just for sharing your opinion. Welcome to the media 😂
I dont care how "realistic" this scene was shot! It takes me, takes me ALL! Good movie and really impact, heavy!
What's wild is my great uncle was a Sherman commander who had four Shermans shot out from under him, and the worst that ever happened to him was he was in the hospital for about a month after one of them. My grandpa (US infantry, also in Europe) got leave to go pay his brother a get well visit during that one. I knew Shermans were wildly outclassed, but man, this movie gave me an appreciation for how amazing that was he lived through having four tanks destroyed. My grandpa told me later in life, after the war, his brother believed firmly that was God's protection, and he thought it might have had something to do with his refusal to ever use his tanks' flamethrower on German infantry because he thought killing another man that way was inhuman.
Your story brings me to something what bugged me in the movie. Everytime a tank is hit, the whole crew is written off by their comrades, they never even try to see if there are survivors. While your story is evidence you could survive and the backstory of Bratt Pitt's character also point to the fact the character know this.
Stats show that for every tank lost, they lost, on average, less than one crewman per tank. Shermans were the MOST survivable tank of the war. Just this scene alone requires them writing off and ignoring no less than 9 tank crewmen, by average.
Edit: Math is hard. They wrote off TWELVE crewman in this scene
@@vanillagorilla911 i dunno if they "wrote them off", because they were actively engaged in battle; the enemy tank had to be destroyed, or they would all be destroyed. I'm sure their intent was to go back and look for survivors after the threat was eliminated.
Sure
Shermans weren't outclassed, Germany barely had any tanks to throw at them and there usually was a long gun Sherman to take care of the rare Panthers and Tigers, as the Germans mostly used StuGs and Panzer 4s/3s/2s
1:42 gives me goose bumps. You know the real men could of been like him, desperately wanting to jump out and run but bravery & duty kept there. Cannot even begin to what the Hero's went through. We will remember them.
*Bravery, duty, training, and knowing that if they deserted, they'd be executed anyway (however, I doubt in a life or death situation you'd be thinking that far ahead)
To be fair, they were up against a wall. They would have died in a POW camp or be slaughtered or win. Not a whole lot of options. Still bravery, but you’d have to be stupid to not take a good chance to work your way around that thing.
My dad was a Sherman driver in which under Patton all the way through the war. Battle of the bulge and were the first ones to hit German soil
@@aaronwest1055 did you serve?
Matthew 26:52: Jesus said to him, "Put away the sword, for all who take up the sword will perish by the sword..."
There are no winners in war, peace must be learned.
Grady one more! One more!
Gives me chills
And the 'Grady! Grady! Grady!" after that, because he's like "Holy fuck, if I don't finish this, we are dead" and then his "Tank destroyed....." with such a sigh of relief is just... holy fuck, you can finally breathe with them, and that little spittle on his face, damn good acting, you can feel that desperation and tension.
All of them Grady!
I aw this is a theatre and it was a damn good movie. This scene was one of the best movie battle scenes ever.
I find it funny that a superior tank capable of destroying opponent tanks from a distance of 1000m would try to close distance and unveil its concealed position. Also, the woods on the side of that Sherman acted like an active protection system. Sides are not the most protected part of a tank, especially of those WW2 tanks. A direct hit from such a close distance means the entire Sherman would be just melted butter.
I think he advanced because if he didn’t the Sherman’s would’ve continued to smoke and maneuver.close the distance so they couldn’t smoke. IMO brother
Regardless. The 76 Sherman's could have easily pentrated the tiger from 500m. I guessing they stuck with the myth for the Hollywood action. Plus it's an excuse to film 131 longer.
Regardless the tiger tank could've held position or changed instead of advancing on the three Sherman tanks
There's this thing called "Dumb command and maneuvering" the tiger is heavy and slow but an very effective tank. It obviously should've shot Fury first knowing that tank was more dangerous than the other two Sherman's.
@@Jakezillagfw Even The 75 with armor piercing would go through a tiger at that range. The truth is the Americans ran into very few Tigers.
are you an expert?
My grandfather was a B25 pilot, but met many tankers in the Pacific theatre. Japanese tanks were almost non existent he would tell me. The M4 was the biggest tank, but they used a few m24 Chafee tanks to help "cleanup". M4 Shermans were used in Croc form a lot for the flame thrower. But the survival ratio in pacific was much higher than in Europe, and in the pacific it was mines that destroyed most Sherman tanks. Grandfather was always befuddled how they can have such an advanced navy and airforce but never really develop anything good tank wise and anti tank wise except for the mines. Bombers in the pacific theater were much more prone to being shot down over Japan. Especially B25s since they were low flying "tactical" bombers instead of the b17 or b29 that would carpet bomb. Grandpa was never shot down though. He lost a couple gunners from AA but he was never hit, and the cockpit he was in was never hit. He flew approx 10-15 runs over a 2 month period. All over Japan.
The japanese used that little tank that was similar to the french Renault tank from WWl. With a 37 mm cannon
The M4 had a survival rate of 4 out of 5 crewmen on the initial knockout blow. The rest of the tanker losses were incurred while the crews were doing something outside the tank. Something around 1,500 US tankers were lost in the entire war, losses nowhere near those of the bomber crews and infantry. The M4 had gun stabilization was relatively easy to field repair, and above all from an automotive standpoint was very sturdy and reliable in road marches. Later models featured wider tracks, a larger T23 turret, highly accurate 76mm gun and wet ammo storage. The truly disappointing thing with the later M4 Shermans was the late introduction and scarcity of HVAP rounds that would have made an immense difference in knocking out German armor.
I believe the reason why japanese didn't use many tanks was due to limited resources. They rather used the little steel they had on shis, submarines and planes. Also, can't remember his name, a japanese general, who too over the armed forces in late 30' just preferred infantry.
I love how those tank shots ricochet off the ground or tank and simply vanishes into the distance.
Where are they supposed to go?
@@Wickedreptiles boomerang back to target
@@Dandan-vf9kr obviously that’s what he was thinking
As someone who trained alongside m1 Abrams as an infantryman, nothing is more badass then running alongside one at night with NVGs and seeing it's rounds ricochet off the ground and fly up in the air
the most insane movie's tank battle I ever seen
I love the camaraderie after the fight. They managed to capture a small slice of the bonding that takes place between servicemen. You spend an immeasurably long, f'd up day along side a bunch of men depending on one another not just to live, but to fulfil a mission, a higher calling... that's special. You'll never have brothers like that anywhere else. Not even blood is the same.
part of what pisses me off with the Republicans who oppose gays and women in the military. When the gay or black or woman helps save your ass, you don't see them as anything but a brother in arms. Trusting they have your back is ALL that matters and combat seals that trust. I don't care who has my back, as long as they have my back.
@@batsonelectronics They're usually the first to get killed.
@@batsonelectronics hey, as a disabled combat vet let me be the first to tell you to shut the fuck up. Liberals can’t help but throw their politics in like maniacs about damn near everything, and that’s why the military is an absolute pandering PC correct shit show now vs the not so distant past. For your information-by the way, the best fighting men I ever knew never once talked about this shit and held traditional, conservative values.
@@batsonelectronics Way to sour a heartfelt comment
@@batsonelectronics man can you get your woke bullshit out of here.
Crazy how he survived all this, made it home to USA and made a team with the highest winning streak in the NBL
Fury, being an “easy eight” late version, was the closest we had to matching their opponents until the M-26 Pershing arrived, too late to have much effect. A high velocity 76 mm gun, wet stowage, extra armor on sides and turret. The other tanks are earlier variants
mickey beam- True. But ALSO... Remember we had some other REAL GOOD an REAL EFFICIENT Tank Destroyer's. Like The American's Had the M18 Hellcat an the M36 Slugger. Which were REAL Effective at Killing german tanks. An the British had the VERY Effective Sherman Firefly. An also, remember The American's an The British Also had the Edge in Artillery an Air-Support. So we had X-Tra ways to REALLY MESS UP an HURT The germans REAL DAMN GOOD.
Which means the 76mm gun could have penetrated the tigers armour.
Looks like someone didn't do their research.
Which is typical of Hollywood.
@@robertstevens913 yes and no but in this case yes. That tank battle was over once the Fury fired her gun. At the same time however, the Tiger should’ve already shot the Fury and destroyed her so the argument is moot. It’s a movie of historical fiction done in typical Hollywood fashion and we watch movies for fun, not for realism.
@@robertstevens913 Depending on range they would have had trouble with the Tiger's frontal armour. But... The Tiger had a very slow traverse. They would have spread out and given Fury a chance for a side shot.
Man. The cast this man can secure. QT is GOAT.
I can’t imagine being like my deceased grandfather and his brothers who were in this war. So much respect!!
If they knew what they were fighting for, most would never have gone.
Couldn’t dodge the draft
@@MarkEMark79 The weakness of a draft is they have to give you a place to report to. Well, unless you're in Ukraine and they just run around in vans and kidnap you, lol.
Even then, they have to give you a weapon at some point, and that's all you need.
And actually, I think in WWII, all you had to do was be in college, I think that was still in effect so that rich people wouldn't have to fight.
so it is now)) , the Americans are destroying the Germans in the Russian fields, I used to think that there are two great nations: Russians and Germans. But now there are Russians and Americans.
@johnnybravo6148 cry about it
My Uncle Ted got a medal on D Day for pulling his crew out of their burning Sherman while under fire. He couldn’t get them all out, so he had to keep going back. He was very quiet and unassuming, and nobody really knew what he’d done other than being on the beaches. It was only on the 50th anniversary when Auntie Vera said he was going to buy a new suit so he could meet President Clinton that the whole story came out. He told me that the British army called the earlier Shermans ‘Ronsons’ after the petrol lighter that was advertised as ‘lights first time.’ The Germans called them Tommycookers. The diesel ones were safer, and much more welcome. The irony was that we had an anti tank gun, the 17 pounder, that could take out a Tiger, but it wouldn’t fit into a tank. Eventually, we redesigned the Sherman turret and tilted the gun at an angle, and created the Firefly that could take on German tanks on a much more equal footing. Until then, the only real way of success was to gang up on them, like here.
I never thought trigonometry could be so useful and life saving.
I love how all these men get back to business at 7:46
Even if this fight is not realistic at all (and I don't think it was the main objective of the film director), I can only appreciate how well the emotions and the chills are transmitted to the spectator : the sound design, the shots, the music, the acting, the panic in the actor's voices, everything is made to make you feel terrified, great job
Yeah, several things strike me as ridiculous. Like when War Daddy, (Brad Pitt) told him to reverse. What, right back into the Tiger's line of sight? Or again War Daddy using a rifle instead of the mounted machine gun right in front of him. Finally, the bow gunner shooting the tank commander? Weren't they running perpendicular?
Traduce , esta escena se baso en una batalla real
Yeah, give credit where credit is due, it was a spectacular piece of film making, even if it wasn't realistic.
Fury is not a realistic film and I don't think it tries to be honestly. I think what Fury really tries to do, and very much succeeded in, is showing the horrors of war and how it impacted everyone. It wasn't meant to be historically authentic it was more a story of horror.
i love that boss battle music. the orchestra and choir sound....
My Grandfather was in REME and fixed and operated tanks all the way through WWII. He usually remained silent when we asked him about engaging the enemy but he did open up to me about the last few months of the war.
He was a gentle man and non-violent but he vowed like many ex-tankers that if he met the guy responsible for the Sherman, he'd have to learn to walk again.
He struggled with roast pork, in fact we never had it when he came round for Sunday roast. Reminded him of the inside of tanks he used to fix.
That scene at the beginning of the film where Norman gets cleaning detail and has to remove the previous belt gunner's remains sets me off. Grandad never mentioned it but there was a reason he couldn't abide the smell of pork poor man.
I don’t quite understand though, because most accounts from soldiers were that the Sherman was overall a great tank. It had to be shipped across the ocean, and so the armor just couldn’t be as thick as a Tiger. Often crews would weld more plates on the front once they arrived to Europe. But overall, the Sherman was way more reliable than German and English tanks. Had a good gun and decent tech packed inside. They weren’t meant to fight tigers. We had tank destroyers for that purpose.
@@tyleredwards5643 Don't know about what actual combat the soldiers you spoke with saw but the ones I have weren't too happy about seeing 4 tank crews of their mates being killed for every German tank to be taken out. The weight of the Sherman for ocean voyage is a complete red herring. The armour wasn't as thick as the weight would require a bigger engine. The Sherman liked catching fire as was a petrol engine - the German tanks mostly diesel (which doesn't catch even if you throw a match on it). High profile so a nice easy target, unlike the British tanks. Best allied tank of WWII was the Cromwell it made the quickest and largest advance of any army in WWII when it covered 350 miles in 4 days up to the Belgian border in '44.
@@pompeytid1970 none of that matters when the tank breaks down constantly. Sherman’s didn’t break down nearly as much. You should probably do some research on this exact topic. Most Americans were very grateful to have the Sherman. Sherman crews were told not to engage Tigers or panthers, and to wait for air support.
@@tyleredwards5643 Yeah reliability great - so you can see 20 of your mates burn to death else get blown to bits for each Tiger - whoopdy do. The Sherman wasn't reliable and brewed up so much it earned the name the Ronson because it lit up first time.
You should have spoken with some of the people who were actually there, instead of drinking the USA is best koolaid.
@@pompeytid1970 I have read real accounts, and Sherman’s encountering Tigers was very rare in the first place. Secondly, Russian t34s also became fire bombs once penetrated. The Sherman was always designed to be for infantry support, and soldiers were always happy to have them by their side. Perhaps, you, sir, should do your research. The simple fact is most tanks blow up once they’re penetrated because they have tons of ammunition stored in them, and not just fuel. Tigers were Heavy tanks, and Shermans were medium tanks. They Tiger and the Leopard were both notorious for breaking down constantly, and thus diminished the overall capability of the Germans. They required huge maintenance and we’re not feasible in Germany’s situation. There’s way more to a tank than just its armor - maneuverability, reliability, and capability. For the role the Sherman was designed to fulfill, it performed so well that the English decided to use them instead of Cromwells and add new guns to them so they be able to take out heavy armor at reasonable distances.
No way on God's green Earth that Tiger rushes forward out of its position in a real engagement such as shown here.
I think Norman's reaction is the most realistic: he can't do anything. He can't run. So what's he do? He lays down as much hate as he can out of pure anger and spite. Then when he finally gets a real target, he unloads all of his emotions into one burst followed by probably the loudest yell of his life. And he's left panting, worn out, and absolutely drained as the situation dawns on him and the adrenaline wears off.
I think this is the real turning point of his character.
For me, this is the best war movie ive ever watched.
The best scene in this movie. It is worth to see it one more time.
I find the actor playing Roy did a superb performance. That is how real humans would act in a situation like this.
He is absolutely in extremis. Pushed to the limit. I was going to comment on this as well.
...this scene really hurts my head. By this time in the war, the German tankers had learned concealment and camouflage tactics as well as how to attack from cover Rule 1. Having spotted the column of Sherman's in single file meandering merely along the lead tank would have been taken especially showing their weaker side.Taking out the first thereby halting the Sherman's , then the Tiger would have taken out the very last tank jamming the column of Sherman's creating a traffic jam giving little options for a fight much less a chance to escape all before they even knew what or where the fire was, the best crews recieved the best equipment being late in the war and so few tigers being available,Learning from all these lessons had become common knowledge amongst German tankers Having fought years on the eastern front long before braddy Pitt and Hollywood missed this one .....again. ever notice how there aren't any movies about the evils of stalin or Mao or other communist regime. ....so I call bull
For as historically flawed as the movie can be it captures emotion so well, when the shells bounce you feel what the crew feels in utter fear. You become desensitized just like norm. Such a good movie
Can you please tell me the big historical flaws that this movie has ?
@@liviuc.3062 A lot of the tactics in this movie are pretty suspect you can find a handful of videos about it on TH-cam. As well as the kind of insane plot armor that fury the tank itself has not necessarily the crew because well they don't. But as I stayed and I don't really mind that stuff so much
@@liviuc.3062 Are you kidding me? Take the last part of the movie for example...
@@mudflaps_se4594 What part exactly? The part where they blast half the cavalry or the part where the young German soldier pretends he doesnt see him under the tank?
@@liviuc.3062 The Sherman with long gun should be able to easily destroy Tiger from front.
I love the scene inside of a moving tank where it is so quiet and serene. Unlike other movies that falsely portray tanks as screeching metal beasts in need of constant axle grease, and loud motors spewing smoke.
Sarcasm much?
Thats true in modern tanks, but its due to comtacs. Old tanks ehh not so much
@@user-hu8fn2jp5v They had intercoms in old tanks too
I have operated some older machines , not tanks but big machines . There is a reason why all the old operators and farmers are deaf and have bad backs . Everything made noise , engine , transmission , hydraulics , drives . All of them were rough , had sharp edges and moving parts that were just waiting to remove digits or limbs
Yea, thats why this is one of my most favorite ww2 movies. Its very realistic
My dad was in Vietnam and he said he was at base one day during the Tet offensive and one of the tanks come in with its turret blown clean off no gun at all and he wanted them to refuel him, they thought he was concussed with no gun or crew left but he wanted to go back and just keep running guys over like he had been 😳
That youg boy turned into a soilder real quick
Fun fact - the Tiger in this film is a real, WW2 Tiger and the last running tank of its kind in the world :D
Bovingtons finest.
damn kinda sucks that they had to destroy it for the movie
@@nickasch7474 Lol really think they did. Of course they did not destroy it, it’s special effects.
@@AK74Man87 Likely a caterpillar mock up
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My dad was a member of the 761st, Battalion, he fought two wars from 1944 to the end of the war. One against the Germans and another against the very soldiers that didn't accept them as equals. At the end of the war, like the Tuskegee Airmen, his unit was engaged in more direct battles than any other unit in US history. Even the Battle of the Bulge. They were the first Tank unit into Germany that allowed General Patton to pass the Siegfried Line.
In 1944, the 761st was assigned to General George S. Patton’s Third Army in France. Patton was well known for his colorful personality and upon meeting the troops, exclaimed:
"Men, you’re the first Negro tankers to ever fight in the American Army. I would never have asked for you if you weren’t good. I have nothing but the best in my Army. I don’t care what color you are as long as you go up there and kill those Kraut sons of bitches. Everyone has their eyes on you and is expecting great things from you… Don’t let them down and damn you, don’t let me down!”
Starting on November 7, 1944, the 761st Battalion served for over 183 consecutive days under General Patton. By comparison, most units at the front line only served one or two weeks. During the Battle of the Bulge, the 761st was up against the troops of the 13th SS Panzer Division, but by January 1945, the German forces had retreated and abandoned the road, which had been a supply corridor for the Nazi army. By the end of the Battle of The Bulge, three officers and 31 enlisted men of the 761st had been killed in action. By wars end they received 391 decorations for heroism.
My dad once said, "nobody has a right to "Bitch" about America, unless you've put your ass on the line for America." Outside my father, myself and all three of my brothers were careered US military. From Normandy to Berlin, we were all there. Every race, creed and color fought for the liberation of Europe. And when he came home he couldn't sit anywhere on a public bus. Could not buy a house because they claim they lost his records for five years. While his comrades in arms were building their homes and communities. And yet we all served proudly and would do it again.
That ending how your dad still dealt with racism is sad and angering
@@Mikejguevarra ;On the contrary. The way his father death with racism shows tremendous strength of character and dignity.
Europe was liberated from Nazi by Russia, Americans joined the War only in 1944 when it had become clear Nazi would lose
@@vy318 It`s not that simple. The US supplied the UDSSR before they declared war on the third Reich. Without the US material the Sowyet Union would `ve possibly collapsed by the speed of the german invasion.
Thank you for telling your story. It is allways enlighting to learn, how witnesses saw and undergone their times.
My best wishes to you and family from Germany
Attacking something that totally outclasses you, how terrifying
Meet my ex-wife and her legal team.
Until it breaks down, as Tigers were notorious to do.
@@thetruth-hl7ct or ran out of gas
In northwest Europe, Sherman’s faced Tigers three times. They went 1-1-1 in those actions.
In Italy, Sherman 75’s knocked out Tigers regularly.
Yes, the Tiger is bigger and tougher than a Sherman, but the notion that the Sherman required extraordinary luck to beat a Tiger was just so much postwar malarkey.
the gun on furys tank was enough to destroy a tiger even in its frontal armor
Saving Private Ryan was fantastic, but this movie truly taught me the meaning of “Survivor’s Guilt”
If you didn't see this at a theater with great sound then I pity you. It was FREAKING awesome. The ricochet sounds were incredible, it literally sounded and felt like rockets were flying from the screen, right over your head then behind you hitting the back wall. This and U-451.
*ricochet
@@jondunmore4268 HOLY SHIT!!! you're right. How did spell-check even spell that??? I swear I, at minimum, completed the 5th. grade. I did so well that I did the 5th. grade 3 consecutive years. Lol thanks. 👍
This film Broke me. Watching the last few minutes were sould destroying and I take my hats of to the men that went through this. God I miss films like this where you have a gutteral edge of your seat reaction to what is going on on screen.
Our neighbour was a WWII artillery vet. He used to tell how he was captured by the Germans. They came up against a single Tiger and fired a few shots that bounced off it's armour. Eventually they fashioned a white flag and surrendered.
Us forces only encountered tigers 3 times between d-day and victory day and 2 of the times the tanks were destroyed and if a artillery crew came into contact with a tiger and managed to fire the artillery at the tank it would of shredded right threw.
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@@vasily4748 But Not The Legendary Tank.. Tiger I...
Strong Tank Germany Mades..
Must have been in Belgium
@@vasily4748 Doesnt look like it, not for them...
One of the greatest scenes in a war movie.
That's just awesome. Blew me away.
The only other movie scene that blew me away like this was the bank robbery shootout in Heat.
This was one of the best tank scenes I’ve ever seen. Sure, there’s a few good others. But this squad is truly the finest.
you'll feel this intensity when you play in a tank squad in hell Let loose especially if your teammates got mic, trust me the goosebumps is real
My friends didn't understand this until I pulled them into a tank with me.
Never have I heard my buddy panic yelling "TANK LEFT SIDE LOAD AP. FIRE ON THAT MOFO"
That and seeing a friendly tank get blasted in front of you fucks you up quite a bit lol.
God I love hell let loose.
@@AkaneChiba especially when you chat around with the infantries repairing your tank or them asking for cover fire
@@mimiko857
I had to stress the importance of that to him as well.
I didn't drive anywhere into place with buildings until infantry got there lol.
The nonsense chit chat between getting repaired and surviving a tank engagement or in general was so damn funny to me lol
@@mimiko857 what do y’all play on?
@@mariopatlan7842 I mostly play on AU server task force koala or the garryson, my ign is Pookie mostly medic or sl
One of those movies I can watch a thousand times and never tire of it. IMO, this is one of the best war movies EVER made...such great writing and talent.
Not really
I agree. Three best war movies for me are Casualties of War, Platoon and Fury
Tank drivers are very short in stature. They lay on their backs and drive looking thru a periscope .the range appears upside down. So most burn too death. Last one out of a 3 man team. The tigers are a m8ghty killing machine. The Bradley's were devised, correcting the Sherman's designs flaws. Love it that this film us absolutely accurate. Well done. Salute! Test of courage.
Man, an intense scene from a very intense film. All the equipment was beaten up and weathered, like the men, providing realism. Scenes similar to this played out in the forests and towns with little record. God Bless all those MEN.
All of the vehicles are actually ww2 vehicles, essentially rented from the Bovingdon tank museum in the UK. That tiger is the 131, only restored Tiger I in the world (afaik) instead of a mockup. I won't be surprised if I'm wrong, however I believe this is it's first film debut, as it were.
Shia LeBouf Brad Pitt resonate well, the whole cast was so believable, they all did an amazing job, I just couldn't help but notice the energy, like A QB, with that one receiver that somehow always knows where your pass is going to become a catch and when to be there, they charged up the movie, excellent picture.
One of my all time favorite battle scenes.
There was a Tiger that went up against some Russian tanks that made it out intact after being hit dozens of times. They were scary and tough.
Tiger was indeed scary and tough but, slower due to the extra armament ... the Mach III was their better overall tank , like the one Willy Kretzschmar of the 12th SS Panzer Div. used to take out 15 Allied Sherman tanks after D-day or like the ones Hans Von Luck used in North Afrika with Rommel against Montgomery !!!
The tiger was an amazing piece of work. Along side German fire arms. They were most modern as can be during their time. But everything has a flaw or flaws.
@@koreancowboy42 its crazy that they could make 2 panthers or 21 artillery pieces for the resources of 1 tiger 1. It was big and mean but it was overly engineered, a gas guzzler and broke down a lot. They could knock out 4 shermans but we had 10 more behind those and the US enough gas to drown the germans in it.
@Mruuuczek no shit -_-
It's an Sherman firefly armed with an good gun.
The German tiger and panther armors were high tech for their era. The bouncing rounds.
Had their been an pak 40 waiting in hiding to support the Tiger or elite anti tank infantry.
The Tiger tank in this video and movie should've held ground and focused on taking our Fury due to its bigger threat weaponry.
It's like comparing an bomber and an fighter plane. Both armored with bombs and guns.
But which is the most threatening? AAA guns would've focused fire an bomber down as the black target due to the larger bombs they carry and have stored.
Than fighter planes who has one chance with bombs.
Yamato battleship cruiser is an good example bombers did an great deal and also attack planes.
@@darkhighwayman1757 все вы начали топить когда поняли что русские побеждают
People can argue however they want about these tanks
But there is a reason tanks now look more like a tiger than a sherman
The battle is awesome but I love their reactions afterward, the sheer disbelief that they’re still alive followed by a celebratory mood
Yea, the sheer disbelief of these soldiers that a Tiger thats well positioned, hidden and could take out all of the Shermans easily would also charge to them making its chances alot lower. I would also be shocked.