Cost effective brass trimming & chamfering
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- Lyman Trimmer Video • Lyman Case Trim Xpress
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To add to the list of trimmers: before owning a Giraud, I found the Little Crow Gunworks' trimmer to provide pretty good results in accuracy and consistency of the trimmed brass. I had the Lyman a few years back but it did not work for me. I could not get enough tolerance in trimming cases. I kept the Lyman motor and fitted it to the Little Crow head. I got the caliber specific Little Crow and they are solidly built with tight tolerances.
Just got this setup...was worried with accuracy but 50 cases its held. 0015" and I'm very happy with it. Thank you John you probably don't realize how much you've helped others and how much people look up to you and your honest reviews!
I really love my RCBS Trim Pro 2 with 3 way cutters...trims, chamfers and deburrs in one easy step!
Hook it up to a cordless drill and your rocking!
I've bought the K&M deburring tool 2 years ago, but I still can't say if it was worth it. Now I'm going back to the Wilson deburring tool (same as the RCBS) and I still make tiny groups. For me external deburring helps the bushing to self align with the neck (improve concentricity), and the internal deburring is to improve the bullet seating. I always deburr just before one of these operation, because the transport of the brass cases, the cleaning, trimming & resizing process can make some dents on the case mouth. I stop chamfering as soon as I feel it running smoothly (no more burrs or dents left), noo need to sharpen the neck as a cookie cutter 😃
I agree this trimmer is a GREAT option on a lower budget. I run it next to the Frankford Prep Center (4 station w/out trimmer) to chamfer/debur/neck brush after. Pretty quick and under half the cost of a Giraud for both units. Great recommendation!
Thanks for all the great info. 👍
Good video and information thanks for sharing.
I've been pretty happy with my FA case prep center. It's not the best but it does job and way faster than doing them by hand.
I've found that anything where I have to tightly squeeze a piece of brass in my hand is ok for about 8 cases. I can do a few dozen, but the next day the tendons and/or ligaments in the back of my hand are very sore as I become ancient. Especially with smaller brass like a 5.7x28.
So I've been using the little Lyman Universal Trimmer and that's been decent. It holds the brass and I can use the hand crank or also bought the one with the drill adapter for larger & volume trimming. For cham/d-burr, I'm just starting to use the Frankford Prep Center for doing a few that I will have to hold the brass, but not so much of a death-grip-squeeze. I also found a Lyman Chamfer and Deburring Tool that will screw into the trimmer rod so I can crank those out either with hand crank or drill. Having to put into the holder is a bit of extra time, but not having to squeeze and hold onto it, for me - is well worth that few seconds.
Def will be looking into that expense unit you mentioned, though. Might be worth the investment. The trimming and then chm/d-bur were steps that were making me not want to prep brass at all. Ouch!!
thanks for the vid.
Looking to get away from my frankford, it's beginner level at best. I'm actually considering this because of how many different calibers I load for. Thanks again John
The Lyman is also good if you are reloading for a number of calibers and, IMO, it handles chips better than some of the other trimmers that have more bearing surfaces that trap chips.
I have the frankford arsenal and it isn't great. Its decent but I'm sure that there are better ways. There are areas for inconsistencies with the chamfer and deburr part. Keep up the great videos
If you already own a power drill, the Lyman power adapter for their traditional trimming tool is a good system. Another option would be the Frankford Arsenal trimmer that adapts on your power drill (not to be confused with their Case Prep Station).
I own both and had good results with them. I would be interested in your opinion comparing trimmers that index from the base of the case (most of them) vs trimmers that index from the shoulder (Giraud, Frankford Arsenal).
Edit: for chanfer and debur, I still use manual tools for small batches, or the Lyman case prep station for large batches (I advice using gloves as holding the cases against the rotational force of the unit will be abrasive to your skin after a couple of hundreds cases and you’ll get swollen fingers the next day).
I now use the Wilson trimmer with the K&M chamfer tool featured in this video. They are both awesome tools!
Thanks for doing a review of something cheaper. Of course I'm still waiting on the extended zero review with some data 😉
I use the Little Crow in my drill press.
I couldn’t get the Lyman to trim consistently. As in consistent measurements. So I ended up just getting the Dillon rt1500. My crimp and M die do the debur and chamfer on the cases. It’s pricey but it keeps me sane
Would you do a video on a comparison of ADG, LAPUA, PETERSON brass, why you like a certain one etc. ? Thanks!
If you want to talk about cost effective and precise, you can't beat a Lee case trimmer with a drill. Chock it up, trim, chamfer, debur, run a brush through the neck and you're done. I just wish they made versions to work with small rifle primer flash holes.
You can grind the flash hole pin down to fit anything you want, I even file it down to get specific trim lengths. Chuck it up on a drill press its very precise and repeatable. Only downside is that its slow and you have to keep screwing and unscrewing cases into it. I believe forster makes a micrometer trim adapter you can use it in a drill press or a cordless I heard its pretty decent
The Lee trimmer doesn't index off the shoulder though. It indexes off the case head. Due to tolerance stacking, you won't have a consistent neck length.
I have 4 of the Lee trimmers and I can only get them to work for a few hundred cases but I keep buying them because Im poor
The Triway and a cheap Harbor Freight polishing wheel can get you cooking for
Nice video. You should review the Frankford Arsenal system $170 that does all three operations and for much less than the Girard. I love mine.
You talking about the prep center right? I’ve used one and just don’t care for it. Most of my buddies who have owned one only used it until they could get something better.
@@FClassJohn That’s the one. To each his own. I wonder what they didn’t like. It does a fine job and consistent without having to move from one tool to another. Trim, chamfer and debur all right there. Anyway, thanks for always showing us something new. You must have lots of tools.
@@davidschmidt5810 yeah I’m not sure. I know it does the job but I think it came down to moving the brass around but I also realize that’s not much different than what I just showed. I think sometimes it’s just perception for people 🤷🏻♂️.
And no, I don’t really have too many tools. I will buy some to do videos with and then sell them if it’s something I don’t normally use in my own process.
Was wondering if the Giraud tri-way head would attach to the Lyman Express, best of both worlds.
What was the name of the Expensive one you use..was it a Girouex ?
Great information and video again.
I really appreciate your videos John. Thank you
Here ya go www.giraudtool.com/giraud-power-trimmer.html
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How would you compare the giraud trimmer to the henderson trimmer? They measure in two different ways for trimming, one from shoulder and other OAL.
I’ve never tried the Henderson and always thought about trying one but haven’t. Unfortunately I don’t know anyone who has one either. I think the design looks really cool and I know for people who set it up correctly it can be very fast. As far as accuracy goes or whether it helps or hurts compared to trimming off of the shoulder I’ve never fully tested it but I always felt like trimming off the shoulder was just a little more accurate since that’s the first thing that hits the inside of your chamber when you fire.
Hello John, have you any experience with the Henderson gen 3 trimmer? I have been giving it serious consideration..
Holy MOLY!! for nearly $800 it better prime, charge, seat, crimp & fire the rounds for me, too!!
At that price, I have to say - maybe it's worth it?
Did you ever give it a go?
What do you recommend for outside debur?
Depends on what you want to spend. Here's a link to a good hand tool amzn.to/3PTC4Ph or a motorized one amzn.to/3XMngUO. It's hard to buy a deburr tool that doesn't have the chamfer on it too. It's one of those weird things in the reloading world.
lyman bit in a cordless drill spun in reverse is 100 times faster and way better than that chamfer
its a nice tool but boy, it can put a hurt on your fingers!
It does twist the fingers but, if you run the trimmer at full speed it works much better, and mind the pressure you use on the case.
@@jcrows6627 I think when I have a large number of pieces to trim I use a KA handle w/shellholder.
I can no longer handle the stuff where you have to put a death-grip on a piece of brass to trim or chamf/d-bur...I can't barely move my hand the next day & forget about squeezing!!
Went with Lyman Universal Trimmer so it holds the brass. Found on e-bay an adapter that screws in for d-bur/chamf...not "all-in-one" but as long as I don't have to hold brass, I'll take going slower, any day.
I gotta say the K&M while nice is kind of a pain in the @$$. Maybe I’m just not very coordinated but getting the guide rod through the flash hole is kind of a pain and takes me a few tries (yes I keep missing the hole……). Stop laughing. Please stop. It’s not funny.