To be fair, he was on janitor duty for 99% of that time. What was more grating to me was how was a guy raised to be a stormtrooper since childhood able to grow a moral compass after one skirmish.
@@dakken74 Can’t tell if this is sarcastic or not. He defected and started opposing the -Empire- First Order after one battle. How this happened after supposedly years of indoctrination was never addressed.
Fuck, I hadn't even considered that.. If this movie was just a failure on it's own it wouldn't be so bad, but the fact it drags everything else down with it is what makes me hate it so much.
@Adrijana Radosevic Nah you lose me there. LF should only feel grateful that they managed to cast an actor like Adam Driver after what happened with the prequels and their actors(valid for all the sequels' actors tbh). Him and his skills alone made Kylo the best character of the new trilogy(and the only one that sells lol), a monumental feat considering that shit of a script he had to work with. He's also quite literally the only actor I've ever found attractive in the last 10 years, I love his face and his voice, so I'm kind of the wrong person to lament about his supposed "ugliness" to🤷🏻♀️
To be fair, in a world where people can have surnames like “Skywalker” and “Sleazebaggano”, it’s not out-of-question for someone to have “Starwars” as their last name...
The sequels made everything pointless. JJ Abram's lazy desperation to make the Sequel Trilogy just like the Original Trilogy wrecked the whole thing. Rebels are still Rebels, doesn't matter if they won the Galactic Civil war, they gotta stay underdogs, because nostalgia. No new jedi or republic, Empire is as strong as ever. Whole OT victory is nullfied Palpatine is back, because he was the last boss in the OT, so we get another throne room showdown. So much for Anakin destroying the sith. Leia is still leading a small rebel cell. Han is back to being a smuggler. Luke doesn't restore the Jedi. They're in the same spot as they were in the start of the OT. Almost no character development from them. In most ways, they regressed. Almost all the new characters are reimagining of the old ones. Rey is new Luke the desert planet hero, finds droid with important info Goes to remote planet and learns to be the last jedi . PLOT TWIST is the secret offspring of a sith. Poe, former drug Smuggler turned ace rebel pilot. JJ decided to make him Han 2.0 out of nowhere since he can't help himself. Kylo, former Skywalker jedi who wiped the jedi out, changed his name and serves deformed emperor. Dies saving someone he loves from Palpatine. He had so much potential to be more than a Vader clone but the writers were creatively bankrupt and gave him the same arc as Vader. Finn, the one major deviation- we never saw a stormtrooper turned Jedi. Naturally they had no idea what to do with him since there was no source material. Ends with Rebels beating the Empire, Palpatine explodes, redeemed Skywalker dead. One jedi left to restart the Order. Back to the end of ROTJ.
But they even did have source material for stormtrooper to Jedi with Kyle Katarn, they had source material for any story they couldve wanted to tell 😭😂
Luke awoke with a snort, sat up, and rubbed his head. He picked up his half-empty bottle of green milk and left his hut, walking a little unsteadily into the bright light of a new day. He gave the bottle a cross look. "I am *never* drinking that bantha poodo again as long as I live," he muttered, and tossed the bottle over his shoulder. It bounced down the craggy cliff face to splash into the water below. "Master Luke?" a small voice said. Luke turned to see a slender dark-haired girl in her early teens. "I...got the other students up and started on Forms practice...but I wasn't sure what we should do next..." she said nervously. "Nah, you did good Rey. Tell everybody I'll be right there."
One of the only things that stayed canon was that he did receive a medal but leia had to get a step latter later on to give it to him as it wasn't dignified to do so at a ceremony
I explained this movie to my father who watched the original trilogy in cinemas. He thought I was lying. I mean I even felt like I was lying. "Palpatine is back, Rey is his granddaughter,.... , and then shes dead, but kylo heals her, then they kiss, then kylo is dead,.... , they ride horses on a starrdestroyer" like WHAT
Louis DROUARD the mandalorian does not have any current plot holes. If something has been addressed and not yet resolved or something seems out of place it’s cause it hasn’t ended yet. Also I thought the mandalorian had filler episodes too but if you actually watch them things and relationships are established that come relevant later in the plot. Nothing displayed in the show has not had a purpose for being there, and if yiu try say resent episodes are filler episodes it’s because an introduces plot element hasn’t been resolved. For example the dark troopers displayed at the end of one of the seeming filler episodes in the lava planet after escaping snow monsters, they will be relevant later in the season. However I will admit some of the plot for estance when boo catan came out of no where to save the shiny man and little green boy from drowning that was fairly convenient plot. But that is among the limited lists of complaints and problems I have with the series
14:13 ah yes "cloning secrets only the sith know.c It's not like the republic before yours, had an army of clones. And use those clones so much that it went down as the clone wars.... but what ever JJ "the jet plane" Abrams
@@ryeguy7941 i've played mmorpgs with less fetch quests then the first act of that movie and none of them mattered in the end anyway... they just had to ask the droid they just found lying there...
I think cloning and secrets only the sith knew weren‘t meant like that. He told them a list of options. The missing „or“ is the reason why a lot of people say that. This movie hat so many problems, but this isn‘t really one.
@@JediArchiv The thing about the cloning line is that technically, you can argue that it isn't a real plot hole. It's treated as a suggestion, maybe the Sith taught to Kamino the cloning process, maybe nobody remembers about the clone wars (very fuken unlikely but who knows). In absolute it may not be a plot hole but it's still a problem with the film because it's so goddamn confusing. Everyone scratches their head at this line and that's not something you want when revealing how your supposedly dead big baddie came back to life
doesn't help when another director gets brought in and his attitude towards the stuff you set up is fuck all that shit. I think the overall moral of the story is if you're gonna make a trilogy actually plan shit out instead of winging it.
@@bluerath Abrams didn't set up shit. He literally just copied another film and did the easy job of asking a bunch of questions thinking he wouldn't have to answer them because at the time, Treverrow was supposed to direct the final film (and even his script is completely different from everything set up.)
@@Thewhitequeen0 mate you can't say he didn't set up shit and then say he set up a bunch of questions in the same sentence, he did it in a really shitty way yes but he did set things up rian could have continued on with but rian didn't want to and instead of expanding on things like the more or less blank canvas that was snoke he decided to instead kill him off which causes problems down the line if you want to redeem kylo like seems to have been the plan since TFA since now he's more or less the only person left who can really fill the evil sith slot.
The whole trilogy tried to lean on the originals as like a formula, but they even failed to do that. Like the main cast of characters is literally designed to just replace the old group we all know and love from the originals. Not every character has a direct parallel but most do. Poe is the new Walmart version of Han, Rey is kind of like they put Luke and Leia together but made her really whiny and annoying, bb8 is literally just an r2 clone, kylo is fake darth Vader. Like why does he need a helmet with a mask? Darth Vader had a legitimate reason for being in his suit, kylo had one just because they were copying Vader. They have the classic mean and cold military leader (I don’t even remember his name because the movies are so forgettable). The first order is literally just a new version of the empire, the resistance is the rebel alliance. It’s literally so derivative but in such a bad way. I also hate how they relied so much on the old characters but they somehow made it so they add nothing to the story. Like they spent all the money and effort to get all of these actors back and then they just ruin their characters, they kill Han off immediately for no reason, Luke returns to everyone’s excitement only for them to ruin his character completely. Why even bring them back if that was how you were gonna treat the characters? People hate on the prequels but they took the pre-existing concept and EXPANDED on it, explaining things that we didn’t understand and setting the stage beautifully for the original trilogy. The prequels were derivative in the right way, they were still Star Wars but they were totally their own. The sequels try so hard to copy the original movies that they end up distancing themselves even more from Star Wars. I’m just glad the mandalorian is so good
At *least* Leia wasn’t totally ruined as a character. Carrie Fisher’s sudden passing really put a snare and honestly in some alternate universe where there was some other director and Carrie still died, what the hell do you do? I think ROS’s only redeeming quality is how they handled Leia considering Carrie’s passing.
Avengers: Endgame - Does fan service right, coherently, and naturally. SW: The FAILURE of Skywalker - Does fan service awfully, unjustified, and unnatural.
@@quasarnova The only thing I really didn't like about Rogue One was the actual main motivation of the plot. The idea that this weakness was "planned" was a pretty dumb retcon IMO , but the movies good enough that I can almost ignore it.
@@esoteridactyl yeah, I totally get that. The whole thing with her dad was off, but I guess they needed to explain the weakness somehow, and that was the info Rogue One died to get to Leia. Still, fantastic movie, great actors, believable tension and suspense.
I kinda love how Kylo Ren never speaks again after Han's weird apparition, like now that he is good he has nothing more to offer to this trainwreck of a film lol.
“I hate that the music sounds like it was written for fans and not for the story.” This is a cogent point that extends into every aspect of this movie.
My Dad is probably your grandpas age. He was on hospice in December when his 74th bday on Dec 13th came around and the rest of the fam went to see ROS without him. We always went to see SW around his birthday, even threw him a SW birthday party in the theatre during the Force Awakens. My dad refused to pirate it, he has too much respect. When we stopped by his house after the movie I had to describe the movie for him. It was dreadful. And worst of all he was heartbroken but what happened with the characters. This massive SW fan passed away on Dec. 30th disappointed. I will never forgive Lucas film.
... That is so depressing... :( I like to think these movies are a weird abd dying time line and the real story is Legends... And Mandalorian... I wish your dad had watch the end of season 2 of Mandalorian... It was a gift, a good one, for the fans...
Can we talk about how dumb it was for them to introduce a new lightsaber color at the very end of the franchise, like at least luke used his green lightsaber in the last film
@@christiancrusader9374 yeah by why introduce it into the movies only for a 5 second nutfest. That’s my problem with Disney Star Wars. They don’t try to tell a good story they just want you to fantasize over the old characters while giving them 2 seconds screen time....or handling them very poorly. The mandalorian does this, rouge one did this even solo did this
@@terellchapman8737 I'm not disagreeing about Disney's poor storytelling in the sequel trilogy, although I do disagree about Rouge One. Considering the timeline, it does make sense for those characters to be there.
@@christiancrusader9374 no I think you’re right it makes perfect sense for those characters to be there but still it felt forced. You don’t give Vader a few scary scenes and add a “Vaders Op now” scene then end the story
@@terellchapman8737 fair opinion. He was there for blatant fan service, but I still enjoyed it. But Tarkin and Leia do make sense since thry were major players in A New Hope.
As the trilogy progressed, Rey definitely got heavier and heavier doses of the disney princess treatment, and it ended up poisoned everything unfortunately. That just doesn't work with star wars, and if disney understood that and let star wars be its own thing, the new trilogy really could've been something special.
When me and my dad saw this movie and they kissed, laughed in the theater I was the only one with a reaction that was vocal at first until i heard some dude whisper "What the hell" somewhere else in the theater.
At least it had Rian Johnson's vision. Yeah it was a terrible vision but it feels like Johnson made it his own. This movie is just manufactured crap meant to fix TFA and TLJ
@@whosaidthat84 and yet the sheer incompetence behind the vision wound up breaking the entire SW universe by rendering space battles obsolete and the force a magical 'get out of jail free' card that you either just have or you don't just because you don't expect the dumpster fire doesn't make it less of a dumpster fire...
@@petriew2018 dude, I'm not defending TLJ or TROS, at all! They're both completely terrible! All i said was that Rian Johnson at least put his own mark on the franchise as an artist. The mark was bad. The movie was bad. He subverted expectations the wrong way! Whereas Abrams was just a middle man for the studio execs. He had no artistic input into his film. It was strictly a job.
The complete and utter idiocy of this so called "trilogy" is startling to behold. To think they actually thought they could do it without Lucas. What meager bits of his story that we know about sounds about a trillion zillion times better. Maul, the Whills and the actual Luke Skywalker and Princess Leia. Being true to story. What a concept! But they knew better... NOT!!!!!!!
The absolute cream of the crop, top tier fuckass decisions in this film for me was when Ren backpedals on his own words. “When I told you your parents were nobody I was still technically right because they were PRETENDING to be nobody....so join with me please???” That scene alone completely converted him into a clown, everything before and after with him is meaningless.
Well, imma get shit no matter what I say so... I grew up with the Prequels. I enjoy them. As an adult, I enjoy them more due to the world they helped create, their themes and messaging about war and politics, and that they are responsible for the Clone Wars. They are not good films. As films, they’re god awful. I think the main problem with the sequels over the prequels is that the sequels are better produced, written, directed, and have better effects, but are largely devoid of meaning. The Force Awakens is aggressively ok, but doesn’t really have anything to say. J.J Abrams mystery box approach doesn’t really do well for me, since it creates questions that he doesn’t have answers for, which isn’t a good mystery. A good mystery is one the audience can actually solve beyond guesswork. Kylo is an ok villain, Rey was an ok protagonist, it’s a very ok movie. The Last Jedi is the definition of a mixed bag. It had parts I love and parts I hate. That movie needed a few more edits and rewrites of the script to get its point across. I enjoyed what it was trying to say and think it is important. I don’t agree that it was trying to ruin or invalidate Star Wars or trying to let the past die, but rather that someone needs to learn from their past and grow beyond it. That where you come from doesn’t determine where you’re going, and that you should strive to learn from what came before and grow beyond rather than emulate it. Is the movie perfect? God no, but I get what it was trying to say. It could’ve done it way better, but I get what it wanted to say. Kylo believed the message was to let the past die. Rey learned that one must take the past and grow from it, not bury it. That’s why she had to accept that she was from nobody. That she wasn’t born special. Instead, her abilities are her own, not the handle downs of someone else. Is she a Mary Sue? Maybe, but I still like the message of not needing to come from someone or somewhere special to be special. The Rise of Skywalker is intellectually vapid. It has nothing to say beyond STAR WARS, and tries to retcon the entire last movie. This is symbolized in one scene. Kylo Ren in the last movie realized he isn’t Vader, and can never be Vader. So his mask, the thing he made to emulate his grandfather? He destroys it. Smashes it to bits. He’s not gonna try to be Vader anymore. Only Kylo. In Rise of Skywalker, he hastily cobbles it back together with red hot glue. If you like these movies, that’s fine. I’m happy you can enjoy something I don’t. If you don’t agree with me, that’s ok too. You’re entitled to your interpretation. If you think I’m a retarded faggot who should go hang himself for his opinions on a series about robots and space wizards fighting space Nazis... I mean I appreciate the suggestion, but I won’t be doing that. Thank you though, I appreciate the comment. Much like a Sith, your hatred gives me power. Thank you and goodnight this crumbling world.
The first star wars movie I never watched again. The first movie in fact where I wanted to leave the theater before the ending. as for me, I don't see that sequel as Canon.
I have never seen Lowart this riled up before and it's such an energy that I'm here for. Like I love how you normally read your scripts, it's refreshing compared to literally how everyone else does their high energy readings, but this was a special delight.
"In many ways, the work of a critic is easy. We risk very little, yet enjoy a position over those who offer up their work and their selves to our judgment. We thrive on negative criticism, which is fun to write and to read. But the bitter truth we critics must face, is that in the grand scheme of things, the average piece of junk is probably more meaningful than our criticism designating it so."
I don’t know how many bad reviews of Rise of Skywalker I have seen but it’s not enough. I want to see more and more until someone calls out all of the things. My big thing that made me vocally “WTF” in the theater was when Maz turns to the camera and says something about an event she shouldn’t know about to no one, in a way that ultimately never mattered or made any sense... just, like she says it, so yay?
I like how no Skywalker actually rose in this movie. Well, one did. Briefly. And then he fucking died. And the hero of the story is by blood, a Palpatine and just steals the Skywalker name at the end of the movie
The complete Title was probably supposed to be: "The Rise of Skywalker (from an Abyss that he was thrown into by Darth Sidious)", but of course that wouldn't fit on the Poster, so they had to shorten it.
Damn he is good at singing 1:09 and good vid keep the great work Yeah i beleive that the force is made to shift shape as the movies like too because it never had a limit
Biggest problem with the sequel trilogy is that there’s no cohesiveness to the story. It was so poorly planned out. The fact that Marvel can juggle all their stories so perfectly and Star Wars can’t get 3 right is inexcusable.
Not to mention that Palpatine starts off the movie by telling KR to kill her, but then suddenly the plan has been for her to kill him the entire time? What??
I just realized the whole thing about only the Sith knowing about cloning makes no sense. The Kaminoans weren’t Sith. They were hired by Sith, sure, but they weren’t Sith themselves.
I also just realized that Kylo Ren uses an Imperial TIE Fighter to get to Rey and that makes no sense, since they don’t have hyperdrives. Wow. Did they not even watch any Star Wars movies before making this one?
@@blubba818 apparently, these ties are *special* ones with hyperdrives. And somehow kylo memorized hoe to get to exegol, even though he doesn't have the way finder.
Dude, I mostly agree with your take on this movie with one exception: the relationship between Rey and Kylo Ren was indeed set up since Episode 7 and in Episode 8 it wasn't even subtle that they fancied each other big time - like: the kiss was the only logical resolution of their tension. And Ren's motive for wanting Rey to join her was basically because he was head over heels for her, yes it was that simple.
I really empathize with the actors. They did their level best with what they were given. I can only imagine the conversations on set, asking a bewildered J.J. Abrams what their motivation was. Even if he had answer at the time he was probably forced to cut it out later after all the reshoots; wasn’t Dr. Who’s Matt Smith originally supposed to be the villain instead of Palpatine? I digress.
What I hated most was how Rey was able to master anything without any training. She was just naturally good at everything and she never failed. All the Jedi previously had flaws and issues, but Rey? No she’s perfect. She can fly the Millenium Falcon even tho she’s NOT a Skywalker. She picked up mind control like no big deal. She defeats Kylo Ren, a full grown man who actually had training. She can heal with the force. She can levitate rocks even tho it took Luke a whole movie to learn how to do that. And lastly she defeats the Sith, the most powerful man in the universe, all by herself.
It’ll probably be like that until something worse comes out or until the kids that grew up watching these movies grow up and start doing internet stuff like us I think
@@peternotpeter4201 Yes time heals. I hate Jar Jar. I love TPM and can kinda just ignore him. Before my blood pressure would go nuts everytime he showed up lol things change
@@calebblack1420 Wich is dumb. At least it would make a little bit more sense if a force sensitive's clone wasn't force sensitive, but to make them impossible to clone is dumb. Everything with DNA is easily cloneable.
@@koldmotro5530 Also I think it has something to do with cloning that brings palp back from the dead since its not a clone but the real palp in a clone body
@@calebblack1420 what secrets did they have about cloning? This is another problem. Disney also requires you to read all their books for people to get plot points. That’s terrible movie writing
@@anthonymartensen3164 It was kinda the hint the entire time. “Dont let your past define who you are” sort of thing. The entire saga was about finding yourself. And Rey was like “lol I’m a Skywalker”
@@anthonymartensen3164 It’s kinda a big middle finger to people dealing with family trauma. Basically giving the message you can run from your problems and pretend to be someone else. Imagine if she embraced the Palpatine name. She could make herself the person she wants to be rather than giving herself a fake name to deceive people. AND it would be a boggle middle finger to her grand pappy by using his name for good.
@@Fr0stbit3_ I think she doesn't want to be associated with the dark ruler and wanted to honor the fact that the Skywalker name stands for restoring balance to the force. That's just my opinion.
Wasn’t the entire reason Anakin went to the dark side to prevent people from dying and then Rey ends up magically learning that power after like a year of training
This trilogy feels like those team homeworks where everyone makes it's piece separately and then smash it all together in a Word document the night before and at the end nothing makes sense
There was a single ship. It blew up and chewy was on it. Chewy walks back in later on... how? Because "he somehow lived or escaped". Were we shown it? Nope. It just happened I guess. Whatever happened to show and not tell?
I feel super bad for Finn's actor, despite the first movie being "ok" I was all in on seeing where his character went next...then the second movie came along.
- Palpatine was't killed -The Empire wasn't destroyed -Luke didn't bring back the jedi order -Han Solo left Leia and return to be a criminal - The New Republic was a failure that a group of neonazis ended in a week -Anakin didn't bring balance to the force. The sequel triology made pointless the original triology, the characters and universe didn't chance from episode IV to IX.
You’ve said it all . I honestly dont get how there are OG trilogy fans that like the sequels , they complained that the prequels ruined star war but imo the sequels did that if not more , Because at least the prequels didnt undo the accomplishments of the og trilogy .
This right here. They didn't make new stories, they just undid everything from the old movies just to do it again but worse, bc they are creatively bankrupt. They undid every accomplishment from the ot to prop up their shi**y new characters. Plus, we barely got anything worth watching with Luke, Leia or Lando. These are legendary characters and they have a handful of scenes. Like they thought we didn't care about their stories. Imagine doing a new Sherlock Holmes story or a new Lethal Weapon movie and just being like, "nah, this about the next generation. This doesn't care about the old characters." Then why tf am I watching it
not only that, but don't know how to handle a group of protagonists. You cold tell who the main focus was, and everyone else fell to the sidelines. when they focused on any protagonist's arc, usually made up for just that movie, the other protagonists tended to be out of the scene so it was like it's their movie now.
The prequels have their flaws but at the very least they were creative. What I wanted to see in the sequels was a reborn galactic republic with Luke having restored the Jedi order. THAT should have been the starting point. Instead we got essentially a thinly-veiled and crappy reboot of the original trilogy.
The prequels were better than the originals. Comparing them to the Sequels is mockery. The sequel triology is horrible, with this movie being the worst, and the first two being Meh.
I 100% agree and I (and probably millions of other people) expected that to be the starting point when Disney announced the sequels. That is so obviously where the sequels should have gone. And to preemptively refute anyone who says "that would be so boring because we expect it to happen, I want something new!" listen here buster. When you expect something to happening because it's logical and makes sense, that's not boring, that means the previous movies was so clear that viewers can feel out what happens next. That's not boring, that's _great_ story telling because it makes sense! And it's not like the sequels would be predictable with this premise either! You can literally do almost anything in the new story, make a bad guys almost anyone, make the new main characters almost anyone, make the plot almost anything! The possible are endless with only a few minor story constraints to preserve continuity and logic. It's not that hard to do this!
"Dark science, cloning, only the Sith knew" The entirety of the Kaminoan race who literally created an entire army to the old Republic, the same clones who committed the Jedi genocide and built up the Empire: 👁️👄👁️
Pretty sure the "secrets only the Sith knew" part is referring to transferring his consciousness into a clone body. Because who gives a shit about basic cloning (Kaminoans couldn't clone force sensitives anyway). What I want to know is, who the fuck is this random guy that knows so much about Sith?
@@scienceandponies "who the fuck is this random guy who knows so much about Sith?" holy shit dude, I just noticed. Who tf is this guy? The villain of the next 3 movies to milk it because "Palpatine also knew about the resistance and joined it to dismantle it before it does anything?"
The main difference between George's star wars and Disney's star wars is that George wanted to tell his story his way while Disney does it all by committee
i dOnT wANt tHe rEsIsTaNcE tO wIn, i jUsT wAnT KyLo rEN tO LoSe something like that. I loved hux in in the force awakens. Then TLJ and TROS screwed him up
I hate to have to defend these shit movies, but....Hux didn't give two shits about the rebels. He wasn't a spy in the sense that he cared about the side he was spying for. He only wanted vengeance against Kylo, which makes him more petty and selfish than actually someone with an agenda. Still, it was really stupid.
The thing which probably annoyed me the most about Rey in this movie, apart from her Mary Sue-Persona, is the fact that the entire movie wants to make a point about „accept who you are; you‘re not predestined to anything just because of your heritage“, as you mentioned in the video. And what does Rey do instead of accepting that she‘s a Palpatine? She changes her name to Skywalker. She completely denies her heritage. I mean, I can see that the name Palpatine could cause problems - however, when the entire movie has accepting your heritage as it‘s motto... it feels like a slap in the face.
She could be "just rey" at the end, as opposed to palpatine who took only the family surname rey could take just her first name. I know it is not very deep, but it is so much better than what we got
@@TheCoolSuperPea Yeah it would have made a bigger impact if she had said Palpatine at the end there. At least the movie's message would have been consistent.
Ugh it just pains me because with they had such a good cast for all 3 movies, there was potential for trilogy. If they had just planned the 3 movies out before they even started filming episode 7, this could have been an amazing trilogy. It’s just sad knowing how good this trilogy could have been.
Theoretically it was all planned out at least before Kathleen Kennedy/Disney let Rian Johnson do his own thing and utterly derail any hope of a coherent storyline.
@@Gala-yp8nx yeah, from what I can gather the plan was for Palpatine to come back and all the stuff that happens in 9 was meant to happen, but 8 fucked everything up by derailing from 7 and ruining the lead-in for 9.
@@brianburkhardt3692 The biggest issue though, is that no one told Rian Johnson what the plan was. JJ Abrams had all these things planned out and his little mystery boxes set up (Like with Rey's parents) but didn't tell Johnson anything. Johnson had no idea what the plan for episode 9 was. He didn't know who Rey's parents were meant to be, if anyone. When he directed episode 8, he knew as much about the story as the audience did. So he did what he could. He took thoughts and ideas that he believed would work and be fluid. He thought the big bad of the story was always meant to be Kylo Ren, so he took the story there. He thought the idea that Rey's parents *had* to be huge figures in the Star Wars world to be out-dated and unfair for the kids in the audience who wanted to be Jedi, so he made her parents nobody as a message of "Anyone can be a Jedi, it doesn't matter who you are or where you come from or who your parents are." And in answer to the biggest criticism I've seen: he, SHOCKINGLY, had no idea that Carrie Fisher was going to pass away. So he didn't have a death scene planned for her. This was also one of Johnson's first big-budget movies, so I can forgive him for mistakes he made along the way (story-wise) as: how can he become a better director if he never makes mistakes he can learn from? Also if the plan was always to have Palpatine come back, then they should have started that set-up in episode 7. They knew it was going to be a trilogy and something that large of a twist (to bring back a character that is DEAD) needs to be set-up pronto. Not revealed necessarily, but set up. Throw in some of his ideals early on. Have Kylo or Snoke quote one of his more famous lines. Have Rey have nightmares about fighting Kylo while a figure in shadows watches on. I'm pretty sure JJ Abrams claiming Palpatine was always meant to come back is a straight-up lie. I think he meant for Snoke to be the big bad, but when Snoke was killed in episode 8, he decided on Palpatine, then tried to claim "Well it was ALWAYS meant to be that way. It's Johnson's fault it didn't work! >:(" EDIT: Also, it definitely feels like JJ Abrams was trying to just copy/paste the original trilogy. Johnson took a risk and stepped outside the status quo. It didn't pan out with Johnson, but at least he tried to be original rather than just... Copy and paste. And back to Abrams saying Palpatine was always the plan: Abrams wasn't even supposed to direct episode 9. He got pulled in after something happened with the third director they had set-up for episode 9. The Sequels were doomed the moment it was decided each should have a separate director.
And also the movie in which the protagonist decides that she’s gonna let her origins define her and instead of reinventing the Palpatine name, jacks someone else’s, because they’re dead so they can’t object
@@runthejudes Except they can, because Force Ghosts can do shit in the physical world now. Which means they could have turned up to save the day at any point in the previous movies. Also, why take the Skywalker name? They all failed at everything they ever tried. Worst. Dynasty. Ever. She'd already absorbed "all the Jedi," so she should have said, "Rey Windu, mothafucka!"
It’s also a univers where you have landspeeders and other vehicles that hover above the ground and fly through “streets” in the sky. It’s like marveling at what on Earth would be the equivalent of mid-21st century technology. Plus while I’ll grant that almost nobody would remember the brief shot of a Stormtrooper floating outside the Death Star with a jet pack in A New Hope, I won’t grant that Boba Fett having a jet pack was somehow unique in the universe.
When C3PO said that he was looking one last time at his friends he wasnt talking about Rey and the crew. He was looking back at all the memories of his real friends for the last time
He's the only character with an arc. Even if it's just worse Zuko. I can't help but feel the story where he leaves Luke and joins the Knights of Ren fights his way to the top before being taken as Snokes apprentice. Could've been a better trilogy just on its own
@@OMGSAMCOPSEY He really is just Zuko but instead of episodes and episodes of great character development he just decides out of nowhere to be a good guy lol
i don't like how the sequel trilogy viewed the events of a few generations ago as such ancient events. there were still survivors who had lived it! IRL, we're still talking about hitler, using him as a common knowledge villain.
It is a myth, the CIA predicted 20 years before the collapse, when and why it would happen, they were correct. Several major issues caused it's collapse. Reagan wasn't one of them. Please read a book.
It makes me physically ill to watch it. And I think the real problem with Rey is that only the audience gets to see her doing heroic things. All of the other characters treat her like a hero, but any time she does something heroic only Kylo Ren ever sees it. Example: At the beginning of Rise of Skywalker, either Finn or Poe calls her their best fighter, but none of them have ever been present to see her fight. Everyone treats her like a hero because she is supposed to be the hero, not because she earned it.
Ya know what is funny, that is pretty much true in the books as well. The two that come to mind, have her just sitting around, sulking, and talking to Leia. Everyone else goes off to rebuild the resistance, but she and Leia just have chats. Supposedly, Rey is protecting Leia. But in reality, they never told the authors writing these books what the plan was. As a massive Star Wars fan, I found it pretty insulting just how much range they gave JJ to run amok in the galaxy. There was supposed to be a group in charge of all this stuff, The Star Wars Story Group, but clearly the Execs didn't want to stick to continuity. So when the script was written, they never even gave an outline to the authors. The books called "Journey to the Rise of Skywalker" do absolutely zero to prep you for the movie, which I found incredibly odd. Fortnight gets a cool event with the Palpatine Transmission, but the books do not have any type of setup for THE MOVIE to end your Trilogy and your SAGA? They messed this up soooooooooo bad and it makes me ill just thinking about it. The books are so nice, lots of context, lots of themes explored, cool characters exist out there, and none of them appear to be in the movies. It is just sad that they gave us a setup in 7 that seemed ok, then did some weird things in 8 (some good, some not), and finally just chuck the whole thing down a reactor shaft and hope for a cool explosion in 9 (which we didn't even really get that by the way).
Rey is a terribly conceived heroine. Her character has no relevance to anything happening in the narrative. Her being a Palatine was clearly an a**pull thought of at the last minute to force her into the story somehow. The only interesting new character in this entire debocle is Kylo Ren.
@@Wolfman7870 Kylo isn't interesting in the way the writers meant for him to be. The way he flip flops between 'am I a goodman or a badman' is absolutely hysterical to me.
I still don't remember any point in her arc where she had any real failures/life lessons to learn. Even when she went to go save her friends with like a day of semi training in last jedi she just ends up beating snoke's well trained guardsmen. Immean dam, can she lose a hand or something lol
Yeah, and Christopher Markus and Steven McFeely wrote Thor The Dark World, and then went on to write the masterpieces The Winter Soldier, Civil War, Infinity War and Endgame.
I almost feel Terrio can’t be blamed for this film. There’s nothing in the movie that makes me think of Terrio’s past screenwriting, and because of how much relentless meddling was done throughout the production and even up to weeks before the film came out, Terrio and Abrams must’ve been doing rush 1st draft rewrites on the fly on a daily (hourly??) basis that the priority was just stitching together a narrative that has a start-middle-end, rather than anything deeper. Would be curious what the original script looked like.
@@christiancrusader9374 I believe force ghosts weren't a complete idea since qui gon returns many times as a force ghost. If tpm was made later, I'm surebhe would've disappeared
@@dory3096 except both Yoda and Obi-Wan disappeared. Although there is an explanation from what I found out. Qui-Gon's training in the technique was incomplete. It's why he's usually just a voice.
It's not how the force works... A basic rule to create a good story is to follow the rules you create to your world. It's not our fault you have absolutely no sense of finesse.
Do u know that finn poe and rey were ment to be the new jedi knights and all of them get the call of THE FORCE AWAKENS to fight kylo ren and a young darth sidious who was ment to be played by matt smith and they would all have a lightsaber fight yeah i wana watch that movie 😒😒😒😒😒😒
It felt so wrong to hear the main theme when Lando arrived with a billion CGI ship models. It just reeked of laziness and trying hard to pander to us fans that already wrote off this "trilogy."
I found positives in the prequels, even The Phantom Menace. When I was in the theater for this one, and I saw the number of ships in the end battle, I mouthed "what the f*ck." It is "The Matrix Revolutions" of the trilogy - all of the exciting possibilities of the first two films amounted to nothing. The air leaked out of the balloon. Imagine that sound while watching this film.
I happened to be in Japan for both Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker. Both showings the theater only had about 5 other people in the seats. During the quiets parts, I heard a lot of sighs from the audience. As a prequels fan, I found that pretty hilarious.
Yep. And because of that, they were afraid to commit to anything until they absolutely had to. That is a big reason why nothing is satisfying, nothing is set up,so there is nothing to pay off.
@@Rebecca-oh5yh its also such a boring shoppy story, I cant enjoy any scene, because i know it means nothing, the action, the dialogue its all meaningless, and thats why ive decided to ignore this disney trilogy, and try to forget it.
George kind of did the same thing with some stuff such as Luke and leia BUT at least he had a full fledged plan of all of his episodes!!! At least he was smart with it and didn’t rush. At least he had heart and soul for his art. This sequel trilogy saddened me because I wasted my time just to see Lucas’ OG movies be left in the dust by this excuse of a trilogy! I don’t put the sequels as canon and never willZ
Two things: - this movie is like that scene is the Mr Bean movie, where he accidentally damages a valuable painting and every time he tries to fix it, it just ends up making it worse. And yes, we end up with a movie which is, like that "Whistler's Mother" painting, the image of a body crafted with skill and elegance with a head crudely drawn with a disposable cheap blue pen. It is now worthless and ruined. Thanks, J.J. At least TLJ knew what it wanted to do... - second thing is (and I've written this in another comment section), how this impacted the person who introduced me to Star Wars, my older sister. When she was a teen in the 80s she saw the original trilogy and was mesmerized by it. Being her kid sister meant I tried to emulate everything she did and like everything she liked. Pretty soon I was a SW fan as well. My niece also loved Star Wars, she dressed up as Rey, she collected the Lego ships, she bought books, she was obsessed with porgs and BB8. We were fans, all of us. But when my sister and I came out of the theatre after TROS I saw something in my her demeanor that saddened me: she had just lost a significant portion of her joyful memories of being a Star Wars fan. This movie killed that in her. I'm not joking or being hyperbolic, you could feel the disappointment in her silent walk to the parking lot. I laughed and facepalmed my way through this movie, but her... she was just sad and silent. So I hate TROS. I hate it for taking that away from her.
I understand what she felt, I felt tired of Star Wars after seeing this when I've been a big fan of it since I was a kid. I had no interest in watching more of it, and the only thing that ended up making me care again was watching the final Clone Wars season
When I heard people's reviews of TLJ, I had lost all faith that anything they would put out moving forward would be anything other than fan service, apeing and relying heavily on the original for nostalgia and nothing else to offer. So, I didn't watch the last two movies. Don't plan to, either. I'd rather spend those 5 or so hours doing something productive and/or enjoyable.
Yeah I wanted nothing to do with Star Wars after this movie came out it was like someone disappointed me and I didn’t want to associate with them anymore, it wasn’t until the last season of clone wars and the madalorian when I realized why I fell in love in the first place
To be fair, at least going in to cats all you go for is to see buttholes and that’s the disappointment. With star wars you go in expecting a movie and you get a two hour long documentary about taking a dump on paper and calling it a script.
Cats had technical issues up the wax zoo, but at least it wasn’t two separate shoots merged into one. Yes, TRoS was reshot and the two parts were stitched together
That didnt bother me at all. A walking toaster will never be a person or equal or as valuable as a person. It couldn't mean less. Format the damn thing's hard drive and move on
@@barrybathwater4877 Are you a robot racist? Do you genuinely have a grudge against robots? Besides, C3PO is more human than half the characters anyway.
@@ThyBigCheddar "Robots" will never be anything more than appliances and brainwashing you to think otherwise only makes you value humans less, as your comment shows.
Finn: “How did you get Luke’s lightsaber?” Maz: “Good question, for another time.” * Rise of Skywalker rolls around Maz: “I’ll get back to you on that.”
Always was bothered how Finn was a soldier his whole life and the second he's out of his armor he's cracking jokes and becomes comic relief.
Lucasfilm 2.0 forgot what their characters were.
To be fair, he was on janitor duty for 99% of that time. What was more grating to me was how was a guy raised to be a stormtrooper since childhood able to grow a moral compass after one skirmish.
@@Zarastro54 I must have missed the part in the movie where they explain that it was this this one skirmish where he decided to grow a moral compass.
@@Zarastro54 Becoz the Force made him feel that being an imperial 2.0 is bad duh, I guess.
@@dakken74 Can’t tell if this is sarcastic or not. He defected and started opposing the -Empire- First Order after one battle. How this happened after supposedly years of indoctrination was never addressed.
Ah yes, the perfect end to the Skywalker story; Palpatine vs. Palpatine while the last living Skywalker is cast down a deep dark chasm.
That is even more sad
You forgot the wonderful words of wisdom the last Skywalker, heir of the most glorious and powerful family in the galaxy, left us with:
"Ow"
Fuck, I hadn't even considered that.. If this movie was just a failure on it's own it wouldn't be so bad, but the fact it drags everything else down with it is what makes me hate it so much.
@Adrijana Radosevic Nah you lose me there. LF should only feel grateful that they managed to cast an actor like Adam Driver after what happened with the prequels and their actors(valid for all the sequels' actors tbh). Him and his skills alone made Kylo the best character of the new trilogy(and the only one that sells lol), a monumental feat considering that shit of a script he had to work with.
He's also quite literally the only actor I've ever found attractive in the last 10 years, I love his face and his voice, so I'm kind of the wrong person to lament about his supposed "ugliness" to🤷🏻♀️
Ben Solo is a sad excuse. A diet Coke Vader.
My favorite part is when Rey gets asked what her name is and she replies "Rey. Rey StarWars".
I knew I wasn't the only one.
To be fair, in a world where people can have surnames like “Skywalker” and “Sleazebaggano”, it’s not out-of-question for someone to have “Starwars” as their last name...
I like cultural marxism too.
Nope it was Rey Kennedy 😡
@@nillynush4899 Buddy, what the FUCK are you talking about? 😂
The sequels made everything pointless. JJ Abram's lazy desperation to make the Sequel Trilogy just like the Original Trilogy wrecked the whole thing.
Rebels are still Rebels, doesn't matter if they won the Galactic Civil war, they gotta stay underdogs, because nostalgia. No new jedi or republic, Empire is as strong as ever. Whole OT victory is nullfied
Palpatine is back, because he was the last boss in the OT, so we get another throne room showdown. So much for Anakin destroying the sith.
Leia is still leading a small rebel cell. Han is back to being a smuggler. Luke doesn't restore the Jedi. They're in the same spot as they were in the start of the OT. Almost no character development from them. In most ways, they regressed.
Almost all the new characters are reimagining of the old ones. Rey is new Luke the desert planet hero, finds droid with important info Goes to remote planet and learns to be the last jedi
. PLOT TWIST is the secret offspring of a sith.
Poe, former drug Smuggler turned ace rebel pilot. JJ decided to make him Han 2.0 out of nowhere since he can't help himself.
Kylo, former Skywalker jedi who wiped the jedi out, changed his name and serves deformed emperor. Dies saving someone he loves from Palpatine. He had so much potential to be more than a Vader clone but the writers were creatively bankrupt and gave him the same arc as Vader.
Finn, the one major deviation- we never saw a stormtrooper turned Jedi. Naturally they had no idea what to do with him since there was no source material.
Ends with Rebels beating the Empire, Palpatine explodes, redeemed Skywalker dead. One jedi left to restart the Order. Back to the end of ROTJ.
Ugh, it hurts because it’s true
But they even did have source material for stormtrooper to Jedi with Kyle Katarn, they had source material for any story they couldve wanted to tell 😭😂
@@monarchofllamas2150 Only I doubt JJ Abrams knows about Kyle Katarn or anything outside the OT really.
I get the feeling Disney just wanted to remake the originals but chickened out and called these sequels
Eh, the prequels made everything pointless before Disney got a hold of it.
I like to pretend that the sequel trilogy was just a bad dream.
Luke awoke with a snort, sat up, and rubbed his head. He picked up his half-empty bottle of green milk and left his hut, walking a little unsteadily into the bright light of a new day. He gave the bottle a cross look. "I am *never* drinking that bantha poodo again as long as I live," he muttered, and tossed the bottle over his shoulder. It bounced down the craggy cliff face to splash into the water below.
"Master Luke?" a small voice said. Luke turned to see a slender dark-haired girl in her early teens. "I...got the other students up and started on Forms practice...but I wasn't sure what we should do next..." she said nervously.
"Nah, you did good Rey. Tell everybody I'll be right there."
Luke just having some wonky PTSD induced dreams
@@kevincrady2831 thank you for this its cannon now
Or a worst nightmare
A nightmare
The "Chewie finally gets his medal" is the single most transparent and audience-insulting act of pandering I've ever seen.
One of the only things that stayed canon was that he did receive a medal but leia had to get a step latter later on to give it to him as it wasn't dignified to do so at a ceremony
Sorry all your friends and family are dead but these hunk of metal you never wanted is yours here
Wookies don’t wear CLOTHES
Maybe its a cultural thing?
Chewie just kept it CUZ HE HAS NOTHING ELSE LEFT OF HIS FRIENDS
Don’t forget the Ewoks. I had someone say that scene on Endor tied EVERYTHING together in a perfect bow.
Now that I think about the C-3PO scene wasn't his memory already wiped one time before after the clone wars?
Palpatine is a meme lord because he bass boosted the Resistance with lighting.
All while strobe lights flashed in his presence like he was at a rave.
Based and redpilled
Bruh on god someone needs to put darude sandstorm in the background of that scene XD
He’s got unlimited power.
th-cam.com/video/viUdBbB2ztU/w-d-xo.html here ya go 😁
I explained this movie to my father who watched the original trilogy in cinemas. He thought I was lying.
I mean I even felt like I was lying.
"Palpatine is back, Rey is his granddaughter,.... , and then shes dead, but kylo heals her, then they kiss, then kylo is dead,.... , they ride horses on a starrdestroyer"
like WHAT
EXCUSE YOU THATS NOT CHARLIE FROM LOST, HE IS AND WILL FOREVER BE MERRY FROM LORD OF THE RINGS
You beat me to it. By one month
Sequel trilogy: This was NOT the way
Yep. This is a cautionary tale of what not to do
@@louisdrouard9211 Oh yes it is.
JJ, Rian and Kathleen did not know da wae.
@@louisdrouard9211 EH you can't please everybody, pretty sure 90% of star wars fans are on a high from that show.
Louis DROUARD the mandalorian does not have any current plot holes. If something has been addressed and not yet resolved or something seems out of place it’s cause it hasn’t ended yet. Also I thought the mandalorian had filler episodes too but if you actually watch them things and relationships are established that come relevant later in the plot. Nothing displayed in the show has not had a purpose for being there, and if yiu try say resent episodes are filler episodes it’s because an introduces plot element hasn’t been resolved. For example the dark troopers displayed at the end of one of the seeming filler episodes in the lava planet after escaping snow monsters, they will be relevant later in the season. However I will admit some of the plot for estance when boo catan came out of no where to save the shiny man and little green boy from drowning that was fairly convenient plot. But that is among the limited lists of complaints and problems I have with the series
Normal people: "Oh em gee, we get it, you didn't like the movie. It's been almost a year, stop making rants on it!"
Me: "More. MORE!"
I dunno what normal people are. Most people I know still like to roast the sequels on occasions. It became a meme how bad they are.
These "films" deserve all the hate and criticism
proper response "took you how many years to bury this franchise i liked? i get to keep going over it for at least that long".
@@Onlinerando it deserves it though. They are bad movies .idk what you could come up with more. Because that would be nit picking.
@BK Beatit based
14:13 ah yes "cloning secrets only the sith know.c It's not like the republic before yours, had an army of clones. And use those clones so much that it went down as the clone wars.... but what ever JJ "the jet plane" Abrams
@BK Beatit yeah all those McMuffins.
@@ryeguy7941 i've played mmorpgs with less fetch quests then the first act of that movie
and none of them mattered in the end anyway... they just had to ask the droid they just found lying there...
I think cloning and secrets only the sith knew weren‘t meant like that. He told them a list of options. The missing „or“ is the reason why a lot of people say that. This movie hat so many problems, but this isn‘t really one.
@@JediArchiv The thing about the cloning line is that technically, you can argue that it isn't a real plot hole. It's treated as a suggestion, maybe the Sith taught to Kamino the cloning process, maybe nobody remembers about the clone wars (very fuken unlikely but who knows).
In absolute it may not be a plot hole but it's still a problem with the film because it's so goddamn confusing. Everyone scratches their head at this line and that's not something you want when revealing how your supposedly dead big baddie came back to life
Cloning force sensitives is difficult bordering impossible. That's what he meant.
Summary: JJ Abrams is very experienced at making puzzle boxes, but is terrible at opening them and revealing meaningful contents.
Yep JJ is a hack writer who destroyed Star Trek and Star Wars. Awesome streak
doesn't help when another director gets brought in and his attitude towards the stuff you set up is fuck all that shit. I think the overall moral of the story is if you're gonna make a trilogy actually plan shit out instead of winging it.
@@bluerath Exactly
@@bluerath Abrams didn't set up shit. He literally just copied another film and did the easy job of asking a bunch of questions thinking he wouldn't have to answer them because at the time, Treverrow was supposed to direct the final film (and even his script is completely different from everything set up.)
@@Thewhitequeen0 mate you can't say he didn't set up shit and then say he set up a bunch of questions in the same sentence, he did it in a really shitty way yes but he did set things up rian could have continued on with but rian didn't want to and instead of expanding on things like the more or less blank canvas that was snoke he decided to instead kill him off which causes problems down the line if you want to redeem kylo like seems to have been the plan since TFA since now he's more or less the only person left who can really fill the evil sith slot.
The whole trilogy tried to lean on the originals as like a formula, but they even failed to do that. Like the main cast of characters is literally designed to just replace the old group we all know and love from the originals. Not every character has a direct parallel but most do. Poe is the new Walmart version of Han, Rey is kind of like they put Luke and Leia together but made her really whiny and annoying, bb8 is literally just an r2 clone, kylo is fake darth Vader. Like why does he need a helmet with a mask? Darth Vader had a legitimate reason for being in his suit, kylo had one just because they were copying Vader. They have the classic mean and cold military leader (I don’t even remember his name because the movies are so forgettable). The first order is literally just a new version of the empire, the resistance is the rebel alliance. It’s literally so derivative but in such a bad way. I also hate how they relied so much on the old characters but they somehow made it so they add nothing to the story. Like they spent all the money and effort to get all of these actors back and then they just ruin their characters, they kill Han off immediately for no reason, Luke returns to everyone’s excitement only for them to ruin his character completely. Why even bring them back if that was how you were gonna treat the characters? People hate on the prequels but they took the pre-existing concept and EXPANDED on it, explaining things that we didn’t understand and setting the stage beautifully for the original trilogy. The prequels were derivative in the right way, they were still Star Wars but they were totally their own. The sequels try so hard to copy the original movies that they end up distancing themselves even more from Star Wars. I’m just glad the mandalorian is so good
They literally just plagiarised the lot and turded out '3 new movies'.
TLJ moved from the formula but people didn't like it so they just double down on it for this movie.
At *least* Leia wasn’t totally ruined as a character.
Carrie Fisher’s sudden passing really put a snare and honestly in some alternate universe where there was some other director and Carrie still died, what the hell do you do?
I think ROS’s only redeeming quality is how they handled Leia considering Carrie’s passing.
Avengers: Endgame - Does fan service right, coherently, and naturally.
SW: The FAILURE of Skywalker - Does fan service awfully, unjustified, and unnatural.
Yes.
@Iron Fox Rian Johnson and Abrams jacked up Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker. Rogue One and The Mandalorian give fans justice.
@@julianbrown951 Rogue One was so good! I loved it so much. The Solo movie was an even bigger joke than the recent trilogy though.
@@quasarnova The only thing I really didn't like about Rogue One was the actual main motivation of the plot. The idea that this weakness was "planned" was a pretty dumb retcon IMO , but the movies good enough that I can almost ignore it.
@@esoteridactyl yeah, I totally get that. The whole thing with her dad was off, but I guess they needed to explain the weakness somehow, and that was the info Rogue One died to get to Leia. Still, fantastic movie, great actors, believable tension and suspense.
“Snoke was some kind of weird thing made by palpatine” for a minute straight I was giggling at that lol
I kinda love how Kylo Ren never speaks again after Han's weird apparition, like now that he is good he has nothing more to offer to this trainwreck of a film lol.
He says ow when Palpatine throws him down the hole, which are his last words
“I hate that the music sounds like it was written for fans and not for the story.”
This is a cogent point that extends into every aspect of this movie.
Really Hoped C3P0 would have launched into singing 'Memory' at the end!!
My Dad is probably your grandpas age. He was on hospice in December when his 74th bday on Dec 13th came around and the rest of the fam went to see ROS without him. We always went to see SW around his birthday, even threw him a SW birthday party in the theatre during the Force Awakens.
My dad refused to pirate it, he has too much respect. When we stopped by his house after the movie I had to describe the movie for him. It was dreadful. And worst of all he was heartbroken but what happened with the characters. This massive SW fan passed away on Dec. 30th disappointed. I will never forgive Lucas film.
They killed your da
... That is so depressing... :(
I like to think these movies are a weird abd dying time line and the real story is Legends... And Mandalorian... I wish your dad had watch the end of season 2 of Mandalorian... It was a gift, a good one, for the fans...
@@rachelmariecaberapacheco7942 he really would of loved the Mandalorian. He was also so into the old westerns and would of duge that vibe. 😔
@@thereisnosanctuary6184 well, no...but TLJ didn't help.
@@Livelongwforce I am so sad... I am trutelly sorry to hear that... 😢
Han was Palpatine. Palpatine said so himself; "I've been every voice in your head"
I knew it! Han was never real. He's been Palpatine from the very beginning. That might actually explain a thing or two about the Solo movie
Can we talk about how dumb it was for them to introduce a new lightsaber color at the very end of the franchise, like at least luke used his green lightsaber in the last film
Actually, yellow blades have been a thing since The Clone Wars, and were used by the temple guards.
@@christiancrusader9374 yeah by why introduce it into the movies only for a 5 second nutfest. That’s my problem with Disney Star Wars. They don’t try to tell a good story they just want you to fantasize over the old characters while giving them 2 seconds screen time....or handling them very poorly. The mandalorian does this, rouge one did this even solo did this
@@terellchapman8737 I'm not disagreeing about Disney's poor storytelling in the sequel trilogy, although I do disagree about Rouge One. Considering the timeline, it does make sense for those characters to be there.
@@christiancrusader9374 no I think you’re right it makes perfect sense for those characters to be there but still it felt forced. You don’t give Vader a few scary scenes and add a “Vaders Op now” scene then end the story
@@terellchapman8737 fair opinion. He was there for blatant fan service, but I still enjoyed it. But Tarkin and Leia do make sense since thry were major players in A New Hope.
“Cloning, only secrets the sith knew”
The kaminoans: 👁👄👁
After hearing that, it's hard to believe people insulted the prequel dialogue.
As the trilogy progressed, Rey definitely got heavier and heavier doses of the disney princess treatment, and it ended up poisoned everything unfortunately. That just doesn't work with star wars, and if disney understood that and let star wars be its own thing, the new trilogy really could've been something special.
When me and my dad saw this movie and they kissed, laughed in the theater
I was the only one with a reaction that was vocal at first until i heard some dude whisper "What the hell" somewhere else in the theater.
Did you and your dad kiss after it?
@@mryermaw6654 In a sudden turn of events that no one saw coming, yes! We did.
@@Snoozie ur pretty sick Chubs, but I appreciate your honesty
The last jedi was bad, but i at least remember it
My condolences
youre right. it was terrible, made little sense and pissed on star wars but it was a more coherent movie.
At least it had Rian Johnson's vision. Yeah it was a terrible vision but it feels like Johnson made it his own. This movie is just manufactured crap meant to fix TFA and TLJ
@@whosaidthat84 and yet the sheer incompetence behind the vision wound up breaking the entire SW universe by rendering space battles obsolete and the force a magical 'get out of jail free' card that you either just have or you don't
just because you don't expect the dumpster fire doesn't make it less of a dumpster fire...
@@petriew2018 dude, I'm not defending TLJ or TROS, at all! They're both completely terrible! All i said was that Rian Johnson at least put his own mark on the franchise as an artist. The mark was bad. The movie was bad. He subverted expectations the wrong way! Whereas Abrams was just a middle man for the studio execs. He had no artistic input into his film. It was strictly a job.
You're the first one I've seen mention his role in Lost when speaking about that scene. They always just call him Merry.
Nah I saw him as Charlie too dude. Who was also next to one of the Pilots from lost, who was also Matt from Heroes.
The complete and utter idiocy of this so called "trilogy" is startling to behold. To think they actually thought they could do it without Lucas. What meager bits of his story that we know about sounds about a trillion zillion times better. Maul, the Whills and the actual Luke Skywalker and Princess Leia. Being true to story. What a concept! But they knew better... NOT!!!!!!!
Lucas? The same guy behind the dreadful prequels? That Lucas? Doubt he would do much better.
reviving palpatine is the equivalent of reviving batman‘s parents
The absolute cream of the crop, top tier fuckass decisions in this film for me was when Ren backpedals on his own words.
“When I told you your parents were nobody I was still technically right because they were PRETENDING to be nobody....so join with me please???”
That scene alone completely converted him into a clown, everything before and after with him is meaningless.
Well, imma get shit no matter what I say so...
I grew up with the Prequels. I enjoy them. As an adult, I enjoy them more due to the world they helped create, their themes and messaging about war and politics, and that they are responsible for the Clone Wars. They are not good films. As films, they’re god awful.
I think the main problem with the sequels over the prequels is that the sequels are better produced, written, directed, and have better effects, but are largely devoid of meaning.
The Force Awakens is aggressively ok, but doesn’t really have anything to say. J.J Abrams mystery box approach doesn’t really do well for me, since it creates questions that he doesn’t have answers for, which isn’t a good mystery. A good mystery is one the audience can actually solve beyond guesswork. Kylo is an ok villain, Rey was an ok protagonist, it’s a very ok movie.
The Last Jedi is the definition of a mixed bag. It had parts I love and parts I hate. That movie needed a few more edits and rewrites of the script to get its point across. I enjoyed what it was trying to say and think it is important. I don’t agree that it was trying to ruin or invalidate Star Wars or trying to let the past die, but rather that someone needs to learn from their past and grow beyond it. That where you come from doesn’t determine where you’re going, and that you should strive to learn from what came before and grow beyond rather than emulate it. Is the movie perfect? God no, but I get what it was trying to say. It could’ve done it way better, but I get what it wanted to say. Kylo believed the message was to let the past die. Rey learned that one must take the past and grow from it, not bury it. That’s why she had to accept that she was from nobody. That she wasn’t born special. Instead, her abilities are her own, not the handle downs of someone else. Is she a Mary Sue? Maybe, but I still like the message of not needing to come from someone or somewhere special to be special.
The Rise of Skywalker is intellectually vapid. It has nothing to say beyond STAR WARS, and tries to retcon the entire last movie. This is symbolized in one scene. Kylo Ren in the last movie realized he isn’t Vader, and can never be Vader. So his mask, the thing he made to emulate his grandfather? He destroys it. Smashes it to bits. He’s not gonna try to be Vader anymore. Only Kylo.
In Rise of Skywalker, he hastily cobbles it back together with red hot glue.
If you like these movies, that’s fine. I’m happy you can enjoy something I don’t. If you don’t agree with me, that’s ok too. You’re entitled to your interpretation. If you think I’m a retarded faggot who should go hang himself for his opinions on a series about robots and space wizards fighting space Nazis... I mean I appreciate the suggestion, but I won’t be doing that. Thank you though, I appreciate the comment. Much like a Sith, your hatred gives me power.
Thank you and goodnight this crumbling world.
Yeah you got TLJ meaning, it’s weird how many people think the villain is on the right in the message of the movie
Well said
I wouldn't be able to write a worst version of this movie if i tried
Fans: "ruin johnson created the worst star wars film ever"
JJ: "hold my lens flare"
The first star wars movie I never watched again. The first movie in fact where I wanted to leave the theater before the ending. as for me, I don't see that sequel as Canon.
I have never seen Lowart this riled up before and it's such an energy that I'm here for. Like I love how you normally read your scripts, it's refreshing compared to literally how everyone else does their high energy readings, but this was a special delight.
Why does he want Rey to be with him? Uhh he likes her? He's lonely?
"In many ways, the work of a critic is easy. We risk very little, yet enjoy a position over those who offer up their work and their selves to our judgment. We thrive on negative criticism, which is fun to write and to read. But the bitter truth we critics must face, is that in the grand scheme of things, the average piece of junk is probably more meaningful than our criticism designating it so."
As bad as it was I feel like the acting was really great. I feel bad for the actor that played Rose man. :/
The last good Star Wars movie was Guardians of The Galaxy vol. 1 & 2
I don’t know how many bad reviews of Rise of Skywalker I have seen but it’s not enough. I want to see more and more until someone calls out all of the things.
My big thing that made me vocally “WTF” in the theater was when Maz turns to the camera and says something about an event she shouldn’t know about to no one, in a way that ultimately never mattered or made any sense... just, like she says it, so yay?
May I suggest mauler, he's got like 5 hours worth of cpntent shitting on the movies and explaining
Wait, Hux being a spy was set up in TLJ? I have 0 recollection of that.
I like how no Skywalker actually rose in this movie. Well, one did. Briefly. And then he fucking died. And the hero of the story is by blood, a Palpatine and just steals the Skywalker name at the end of the movie
The complete Title was probably supposed to be:
"The Rise of Skywalker (from an Abyss that he was thrown into by Darth Sidious)", but of course that wouldn't fit on the Poster, so they had to shorten it.
Yea I have no joke
Lol ok
Damn he is good at singing 1:09 and good vid keep the great work
Yeah i beleive that the force is made to shift shape as the movies like too because it never had a limit
you didnt watch the video
@@iSomeDood i did.
@@iSomeDood 1:09
@@WadaWander thx mate
Biggest problem with the sequel trilogy is that there’s no cohesiveness to the story. It was so poorly planned out. The fact that Marvel can juggle all their stories so perfectly and Star Wars can’t get 3 right is inexcusable.
Not to mention that Palpatine starts off the movie by telling KR to kill her, but then suddenly the plan has been for her to kill him the entire time? What??
Boy these 3 films were shit...And it's baffling that some people actually liked them.
I just realized the whole thing about only the Sith knowing about cloning makes no sense. The Kaminoans weren’t Sith. They were hired by Sith, sure, but they weren’t Sith themselves.
I also just realized that Kylo Ren uses an Imperial TIE Fighter to get to Rey and that makes no sense, since they don’t have hyperdrives. Wow. Did they not even watch any Star Wars movies before making this one?
@Termination Detonation But he was flying an Imperial TIE from the Death Star wreckage.
@@blubba818 apparently, these ties are *special* ones with hyperdrives. And somehow kylo memorized hoe to get to exegol, even though he doesn't have the way finder.
Dude, I mostly agree with your take on this movie with one exception: the relationship between Rey and Kylo Ren was indeed set up since Episode 7 and in Episode 8 it wasn't even subtle that they fancied each other big time - like: the kiss was the only logical resolution of their tension. And Ren's motive for wanting Rey to join her was basically because he was head over heels for her, yes it was that simple.
Because people usually fall in love with people that killed one of their idols about a year earlier.
I gotta say this description of the rise of skywalker was 100 times better than actually watching this tragedy of a movie
The Force is just a plot device any inconsistencies can be explained by the Force.
I really empathize with the actors. They did their level best with what they were given. I can only imagine the conversations on set, asking a bewildered J.J. Abrams what their motivation was. Even if he had answer at the time he was probably forced to cut it out later after all the reshoots; wasn’t Dr. Who’s Matt Smith originally supposed to be the villain instead of Palpatine? I digress.
the sequels aren't canon in my mind
What they did with the old cast is they just killed them off, except for Leia, who they somehow managed to screw up not killing her off.
They tried to make Fin, Poe, and Rey be Luke, Han, and Leia, I think we know that went down, a total disaster
What I hated most was how Rey was able to master anything without any training. She was just naturally good at everything and she never failed. All the Jedi previously had flaws and issues, but Rey? No she’s perfect. She can fly the Millenium Falcon even tho she’s NOT a Skywalker. She picked up mind control like no big deal. She defeats Kylo Ren, a full grown man who actually had training. She can heal with the force. She can levitate rocks even tho it took Luke a whole movie to learn how to do that. And lastly she defeats the Sith, the most powerful man in the universe, all by herself.
I love how it’s been almost a year and this movie is still getting railed on
Well honestly it offers a lot to laugh at frankly and I like the ST
It’ll probably be like that until something worse comes out or until the kids that grew up watching these movies grow up and start doing internet stuff like us I think
@@peternotpeter4201 Yes time heals. I hate Jar Jar. I love TPM and can kinda just ignore him. Before my blood pressure would go nuts everytime he showed up lol things change
@@darkthorpocomicknight7891 that’s good to hear, hope you’re still doing well
That's like nothing new.
“Cloning...secrets only the sith knew”
the entire clone wars saga: BRUH
There are secrets that involve cloning force sensitives. I think the Kaminoans couldn’t do that.
@@calebblack1420 Wich is dumb. At least it would make a little bit more sense if a force sensitive's clone wasn't force sensitive, but to make them impossible to clone is dumb. Everything with DNA is easily cloneable.
@@koldmotro5530 It's not impossible they would just have to get the secrets from the Sith.
@@koldmotro5530 Also I think it has something to do with cloning that brings palp back from the dead since its not a clone but the real palp in a clone body
@@calebblack1420 what secrets did they have about cloning? This is another problem. Disney also requires you to read all their books for people to get plot points. That’s terrible movie writing
“Dont be afraid of who you are. Be your own person and don’t let your name define you”
“Lol iM a SkYwAlKeR”
They never say don't let your name define you.
@@anthonymartensen3164 It was kinda the hint the entire time. “Dont let your past define who you are” sort of thing. The entire saga was about finding yourself. And Rey was like “lol I’m a Skywalker”
@@Fr0stbit3_ hmm, I think it's logical. She wants to carry on the name.
@@anthonymartensen3164 It’s kinda a big middle finger to people dealing with family trauma. Basically giving the message you can run from your problems and pretend to be someone else.
Imagine if she embraced the Palpatine name. She could make herself the person she wants to be rather than giving herself a fake name to deceive people. AND it would be a boggle middle finger to her grand pappy by using his name for good.
@@Fr0stbit3_ I think she doesn't want to be associated with the dark ruler and wanted to honor the fact that the Skywalker name stands for restoring balance to the force. That's just my opinion.
Wasn’t the entire reason Anakin went to the dark side to prevent people from dying and then Rey ends up magically learning that power after like a year of training
The logic.
Yes, yes it was!
Training? What training? That shit was an ACCIDENT
They made a hero jurny withit the hole midle part od becoming hero
Lol exactly
This trilogy feels like those team homeworks where everyone makes it's piece separately and then smash it all together in a Word document the night before and at the end nothing makes sense
Lol good joke
Lmao that’s 100% accurate actually
That’s so accurate
And then get paid millions and millions of dollars. Absolute fukin joke!
That's 100% accurate. Perfect analogy! Why didn't they plan the whole thing out from beginning to end?
Movie: "OMG Chewbacca got ded!"
Me: "...hm...nah, he's fine"
Movie:
Me:
Movie:
Me:
Movie: "OMG Chewbacca not ded!"
Me: "...hm"
All his old friends died except the droids
Oh yeah. He’s one of the only characters from the Original Trilogy you can still meet in Orlando that people enjoy.
There was a single ship. It blew up and chewy was on it. Chewy walks back in later on... how? Because "he somehow lived or escaped". Were we shown it? Nope. It just happened I guess. Whatever happened to show and not tell?
Wait, you didn't explain the most important thing: what did your grandfather - the big Star Wars fan - think of the movie?
Top 10 questions that we need answers to
Honestly really wanted to know lol
Yes
Need to know answer
Maybe it'll remain untold like the thing Finn wanted to tell Rey.
Finn's whole destiny in the sequels: REEEEEEYY!
Finn and Rey both had major potential to be amazing characters but the story of the trilogy killed the potential.
Don’t forget:
WOOOOOHHH!
His whole lines were
REEEEEEEEEYY!
Rey I have something to tell you
I have a feeling
Not now
I feel super bad for Finn's actor, despite the first movie being "ok" I was all in on seeing where his character went next...then the second movie came along.
@@benjaminbierley2074 I agree.
- Palpatine was't killed
-The Empire wasn't destroyed
-Luke didn't bring back the jedi order
-Han Solo left Leia and return to be a criminal
- The New Republic was a failure that a group of neonazis ended in a week
-Anakin didn't bring balance to the force.
The sequel triology made pointless the original triology, the characters and universe didn't chance from episode IV to IX.
Thank you
You’ve said it all . I honestly dont get how there are OG trilogy fans that like the sequels , they complained that the prequels ruined star war but imo the sequels did that if not more , Because at least the prequels didnt undo the accomplishments of the og trilogy .
And the kaminoans are sith
Thank you for saying that
This right here.
They didn't make new stories, they just undid everything from the old movies just to do it again but worse, bc they are creatively bankrupt.
They undid every accomplishment from the ot to prop up their shi**y new characters.
Plus, we barely got anything worth watching with Luke, Leia or Lando. These are legendary characters and they have a handful of scenes. Like they thought we didn't care about their stories.
Imagine doing a new Sherlock Holmes story or a new Lethal Weapon movie and just being like, "nah, this about the next generation. This doesn't care about the old characters."
Then why tf am I watching it
this movie was made by people who do not understand nor respect Star Wars.
not only that, but don't know how to handle a group of protagonists. You cold tell who the main focus was, and everyone else fell to the sidelines. when they focused on any protagonist's arc, usually made up for just that movie, the other protagonists tended to be out of the scene so it was like it's their movie now.
'wokness' ruins everything it touches
Never let people with contempt for the story, its characters, and its audience take over a franchise
Well said
Pretty sure it came out that JJ is open to hating the PT.
The prequels have their flaws but at the very least they were creative.
What I wanted to see in the sequels was a reborn galactic republic with Luke having restored the Jedi order. THAT should have been the starting point. Instead we got essentially a thinly-veiled and crappy reboot of the original trilogy.
Too much fan service easter eggs, and playing on nostalgia instead of just telling a story
So true
The prequels were better than the originals. Comparing them to the Sequels is mockery. The sequel triology is horrible, with this movie being the worst, and the first two being Meh.
@@uriargaman7241 i loved the original trilogy as much as the prequels but the sequels were so bad especially TLJ and TROS
I 100% agree and I (and probably millions of other people) expected that to be the starting point when Disney announced the sequels. That is so obviously where the sequels should have gone.
And to preemptively refute anyone who says "that would be so boring because we expect it to happen, I want something new!" listen here buster. When you expect something to happening because it's logical and makes sense, that's not boring, that means the previous movies was so clear that viewers can feel out what happens next. That's not boring, that's _great_ story telling because it makes sense!
And it's not like the sequels would be predictable with this premise either! You can literally do almost anything in the new story, make a bad guys almost anyone, make the new main characters almost anyone, make the plot almost anything! The possible are endless with only a few minor story constraints to preserve continuity and logic. It's not that hard to do this!
"Dark science, cloning, only the Sith knew"
The entirety of the Kaminoan race who literally created an entire army to the old Republic, the same clones who committed the Jedi genocide and built up the Empire: 👁️👄👁️
Pretty sure the "secrets only the Sith knew" part is referring to transferring his consciousness into a clone body. Because who gives a shit about basic cloning (Kaminoans couldn't clone force sensitives anyway).
What I want to know is, who the fuck is this random guy that knows so much about Sith?
@@scienceandponies "who the fuck is this random guy who knows so much about Sith?"
holy shit dude, I just noticed. Who tf is this guy? The villain of the next 3 movies to milk it because "Palpatine also knew about the resistance and joined it to dismantle it before it does anything?"
The “cloning secrets, only the sith knew” isn’t even correct, the kaminoans made the clones in the prequels
hey, who would remember a galactic war, that happened decades earlier? apparantly NO ONE. F disney
I think it had a C in it.....the clo....the clock...no the.....c something war
Notice what a disfigured freak comes out when the sith are cloning
You mean the quote you made is incorrect? That’s not the line in the film.
The secrets had to do with resurrection not cloning itself I think but I see your point
'Somehow Palpatine returned' is the line that encompasses everything wrong with this film.
Absolutely the worst.
Bruh I can’t still believe there are people who liked this film I mean ok it’s their opinion but come on
@@eniotna_379 opinions are subjective and all but it just is a bad movie
@@eniotna_379 if your opinion is that this movie is good, than your opinion has less value than other people’s
Yet nobody is questioning Boba Fett's return in the Mandalorian...
When he said “this was the only chance they had with the original actor and they made this.” That hit deep.
They fucked it up, they really did
The main difference between George's star wars and Disney's star wars is that George wanted to tell his story his way while Disney does it all by committee
Yea. Also they shove tons of feminism and other stuff up fans asses. Like I don't care if your gay it's star wars stop shoving it down my throat!
Meanwhile, Disney is grappling with the fact that not every issue can be settled by committee...
Lucas had a story to tell. Disney just wanted movies to release.
@@binbasesatoktayyldran5236 thank you, it’s sad that it’s also happening to marvel now
@@kermitthegod1153 yes
General Hux: Kills entire star system
Also General Hux: A SPY
i dOnT wANt tHe rEsIsTaNcE tO wIn, i jUsT wAnT KyLo rEN tO LoSe
something like that. I loved hux in in the force awakens. Then TLJ and TROS screwed him up
The only moment I liked. It was so campy I was like, ah hell yes, it doesn't make sense but at least it's campy
@@nikhilrao1321 agreed, he was so good in the first one!!
I hate to have to defend these shit movies, but....Hux didn't give two shits about the rebels. He wasn't a spy in the sense that he cared about the side he was spying for. He only wanted vengeance against Kylo, which makes him more petty and selfish than actually someone with an agenda. Still, it was really stupid.
hux was a space nazi. i loved him in the first part
The thing which probably annoyed me the most about Rey in this movie, apart from her Mary Sue-Persona, is the fact that the entire movie wants to make a point about „accept who you are; you‘re not predestined to anything just because of your heritage“, as you mentioned in the video. And what does Rey do instead of accepting that she‘s a Palpatine? She changes her name to Skywalker. She completely denies her heritage.
I mean, I can see that the name Palpatine could cause problems - however, when the entire movie has accepting your heritage as it‘s motto... it feels like a slap in the face.
She could be "just rey" at the end, as opposed to palpatine who took only the family surname rey could take just her first name. I know it is not very deep, but it is so much better than what we got
It's an entire contradiction, "accept who you are" then the main character cannot accept who they are so they change their name.
@@TheCoolSuperPea Yeah it would have made a bigger impact if she had said Palpatine at the end there. At least the movie's message would have been consistent.
The disney trilogy just never happened in my reality.
"I'm Rey, just Rey" would have been better but the Skywalker part just feels blasphemous
Ugh it just pains me because with they had such a good cast for all 3 movies, there was potential for trilogy. If they had just planned the 3 movies out before they even started filming episode 7, this could have been an amazing trilogy. It’s just sad knowing how good this trilogy could have been.
Yeah it’s quite sad
Theoretically it was all planned out at least before Kathleen Kennedy/Disney let Rian Johnson do his own thing and utterly derail any hope of a coherent storyline.
@@Gala-yp8nx yeah, from what I can gather the plan was for Palpatine to come back and all the stuff that happens in 9 was meant to happen, but 8 fucked everything up by derailing from 7 and ruining the lead-in for 9.
@@brianburkhardt3692 It was still gonna be an even dumber version of Dark Empire.
@@brianburkhardt3692 The biggest issue though, is that no one told Rian Johnson what the plan was. JJ Abrams had all these things planned out and his little mystery boxes set up (Like with Rey's parents) but didn't tell Johnson anything. Johnson had no idea what the plan for episode 9 was. He didn't know who Rey's parents were meant to be, if anyone. When he directed episode 8, he knew as much about the story as the audience did. So he did what he could. He took thoughts and ideas that he believed would work and be fluid.
He thought the big bad of the story was always meant to be Kylo Ren, so he took the story there. He thought the idea that Rey's parents *had* to be huge figures in the Star Wars world to be out-dated and unfair for the kids in the audience who wanted to be Jedi, so he made her parents nobody as a message of "Anyone can be a Jedi, it doesn't matter who you are or where you come from or who your parents are." And in answer to the biggest criticism I've seen: he, SHOCKINGLY, had no idea that Carrie Fisher was going to pass away. So he didn't have a death scene planned for her. This was also one of Johnson's first big-budget movies, so I can forgive him for mistakes he made along the way (story-wise) as: how can he become a better director if he never makes mistakes he can learn from?
Also if the plan was always to have Palpatine come back, then they should have started that set-up in episode 7. They knew it was going to be a trilogy and something that large of a twist (to bring back a character that is DEAD) needs to be set-up pronto. Not revealed necessarily, but set up. Throw in some of his ideals early on. Have Kylo or Snoke quote one of his more famous lines. Have Rey have nightmares about fighting Kylo while a figure in shadows watches on.
I'm pretty sure JJ Abrams claiming Palpatine was always meant to come back is a straight-up lie. I think he meant for Snoke to be the big bad, but when Snoke was killed in episode 8, he decided on Palpatine, then tried to claim "Well it was ALWAYS meant to be that way. It's Johnson's fault it didn't work! >:("
EDIT: Also, it definitely feels like JJ Abrams was trying to just copy/paste the original trilogy. Johnson took a risk and stepped outside the status quo. It didn't pan out with Johnson, but at least he tried to be original rather than just... Copy and paste.
And back to Abrams saying Palpatine was always the plan: Abrams wasn't even supposed to direct episode 9. He got pulled in after something happened with the third director they had set-up for episode 9. The Sequels were doomed the moment it was decided each should have a separate director.
"The Past does not define you", said the movie which is a total slave of the previous ones... lol
And also the movie in which the protagonist decides that she’s gonna let her origins define her and instead of reinventing the Palpatine name, jacks someone else’s, because they’re dead so they can’t object
@@runthejudes Except they can, because Force Ghosts can do shit in the physical world now. Which means they could have turned up to save the day at any point in the previous movies. Also, why take the Skywalker name? They all failed at everything they ever tried. Worst. Dynasty. Ever. She'd already absorbed "all the Jedi," so she should have said, "Rey Windu, mothafucka!"
When Rey from the Lego films is a more well structured character than the original films, you know the sequel trilogy writers did something wrong.
Bruh, Ray in the Lego holiday special was more of an actual character with a personality an ark than the entire trilogy.
“They fly now” wow so unheard of, not like that technology was used in the clone wars or anything
That was supposed to be a lovable Marvel-esque quip
It was so deeply embarrassing
That was supposed to be funny but even that is cringe
tHeY fLy NoW
It’s also a univers where you have landspeeders and other vehicles that hover above the ground and fly through “streets” in the sky. It’s like marveling at what on Earth would be the equivalent of mid-21st century technology.
Plus while I’ll grant that almost nobody would remember the brief shot of a Stormtrooper floating outside the Death Star with a jet pack in A New Hope, I won’t grant that Boba Fett having a jet pack was somehow unique in the universe.
When C3PO said that he was looking one last time at his friends he wasnt talking about Rey and the crew. He was looking back at all the memories of his real friends for the last time
We're supposed to know that? Even still, it was a dumb moment cuz it was regressed not long later
Palpatine falls into the Death Star, giving his last words.
"Have I told you the tragedy of Darth..."
Too late he fell.
I watched this movie 1 year ago and most of the clips he shows are so unmemorable I didn’t even know they were in the film.
I saw it 2 weeks ago and can't remember the clips.....
Me too I’m shocked I don’t remember any
Let's be honest, Adam Driver carried this trilogy
Kylo Ren's arch ended in a really uninteresting and cliche way though imo. Unless you're just talking about his acting which I agree is very good
To be honest he was forced to drag its corpse to the finish line.
He tried. His acting ability is too good for the bullshit writing he was given
He's the only character with an arc. Even if it's just worse Zuko.
I can't help but feel the story where he leaves Luke and joins the Knights of Ren fights his way to the top before being taken as Snokes apprentice. Could've been a better trilogy just on its own
@@OMGSAMCOPSEY He really is just Zuko but instead of episodes and episodes of great character development he just decides out of nowhere to be a good guy lol
Merry did not charge into an orc army with the Rohirim and stabbed the Witchking of Angmar,
just to be remembered as "Charlie from Lost".
Nah he's Charlie from Lost lol
THANK YOU. HOBBITS FOR ALL THE AWARDS.
No no no, Merry would never take part in this travesty. That was definitely Charlie from Lost.
I call him the guy from the "love the way you lie" music video
@@Stanmanpan Wow I had no idea that him and Megan Fox were in there. Why though? lol seems pretty random
"Boy, oh boy, does this movie make me hate the Force with a passion!"
**Darth Traya entered the chat**
Kill it if you have to
@@mwoodhouse2778 We don't do that here, GTFO
I see you're a man of culture
@@yrooxrksvi7142 darth traya wanted to kill the force no 😜
@@mwoodhouse2778 In that case, I agree. I was referring to quoting The Last Soycuck lol
i don't like how the sequel trilogy viewed the events of a few generations ago as such ancient events. there were still survivors who had lived it!
IRL, we're still talking about hitler, using him as a common knowledge villain.
And Hitler was 80 years ago. This is more like people thinking Gorbachev and Reagan ending the Cold War was a myth.
It is a myth, the CIA predicted 20 years before the collapse, when and why it would happen, they were correct. Several major issues caused it's collapse. Reagan wasn't one of them. Please read a book.
Remember when they announced Palpatine's return via a *Fortnite event??* I'm still scratching my head
It makes me physically ill to watch it. And I think the real problem with Rey is that only the audience gets to see her doing heroic things. All of the other characters treat her like a hero, but any time she does something heroic only Kylo Ren ever sees it. Example: At the beginning of Rise of Skywalker, either Finn or Poe calls her their best fighter, but none of them have ever been present to see her fight. Everyone treats her like a hero because she is supposed to be the hero, not because she earned it.
Ya know what is funny, that is pretty much true in the books as well. The two that come to mind, have her just sitting around, sulking, and talking to Leia. Everyone else goes off to rebuild the resistance, but she and Leia just have chats. Supposedly, Rey is protecting Leia. But in reality, they never told the authors writing these books what the plan was.
As a massive Star Wars fan, I found it pretty insulting just how much range they gave JJ to run amok in the galaxy. There was supposed to be a group in charge of all this stuff, The Star Wars Story Group, but clearly the Execs didn't want to stick to continuity. So when the script was written, they never even gave an outline to the authors. The books called "Journey to the Rise of Skywalker" do absolutely zero to prep you for the movie, which I found incredibly odd. Fortnight gets a cool event with the Palpatine Transmission, but the books do not have any type of setup for THE MOVIE to end your Trilogy and your SAGA? They messed this up soooooooooo bad and it makes me ill just thinking about it. The books are so nice, lots of context, lots of themes explored, cool characters exist out there, and none of them appear to be in the movies. It is just sad that they gave us a setup in 7 that seemed ok, then did some weird things in 8 (some good, some not), and finally just chuck the whole thing down a reactor shaft and hope for a cool explosion in 9 (which we didn't even really get that by the way).
Rey is a terribly conceived heroine. Her character has no relevance to anything happening in the narrative. Her being a Palatine was clearly an a**pull thought of at the last minute to force her into the story somehow. The only interesting new character in this entire debocle is Kylo Ren.
@@Wolfman7870 Kylo isn't interesting in the way the writers meant for him to be. The way he flip flops between 'am I a goodman or a badman' is absolutely hysterical to me.
Exactly right. Also everyone is obsessed with her.
I still don't remember any point in her arc where she had any real failures/life lessons to learn. Even when she went to go save her friends with like a day of semi training in last jedi she just ends up beating snoke's well trained guardsmen. Immean dam, can she lose a hand or something lol
The writer of Batman v Superman wrote this, it explains alot
Batman v Superman is a FAR better movie than this
@@grantimusprimeofficial2732 that's really saying a lot about this movie 🤣
@@grantimusprimeofficial2732 well even the best writers would have their hands full trying to make up for all the mess the past 2 films made
Yeah, and Christopher Markus and Steven McFeely wrote Thor The Dark World, and then went on to write the masterpieces The Winter Soldier, Civil War, Infinity War and Endgame.
I almost feel Terrio can’t be blamed for this film. There’s nothing in the movie that makes me think of Terrio’s past screenwriting, and because of how much relentless meddling was done throughout the production and even up to weeks before the film came out, Terrio and Abrams must’ve been doing rush 1st draft rewrites on the fly on a daily (hourly??) basis that the priority was just stitching together a narrative that has a start-middle-end, rather than anything deeper.
Would be curious what the original script looked like.
I hate how no one is going to mention that ray died but her body didn’t disappear but when Kylo died his body disappeared right after. 🤦🏼♂️😑
Kylo probely didn't want to live with his failures. Take Vader at the end of ROTJ for instance.
Jedi don't always disappear when they die. Qui-Gon didn't.
They only disappear when they're ready to go
@@christiancrusader9374 I believe force ghosts weren't a complete idea since qui gon returns many times as a force ghost. If tpm was made later, I'm surebhe would've disappeared
@@dory3096 except both Yoda and Obi-Wan disappeared. Although there is an explanation from what I found out. Qui-Gon's training in the technique was incomplete. It's why he's usually just a voice.
What makes it worse is to know that palpatine would have won if he just would have pulled out.
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@Mike Marlowe you're not using the word right
We all know he is really bad at stopping at the right time.
"ThAtS NoT hOw ThE FOrcE WoRkS" *Intensifies*
No it’s “ThAts NoT hOw ThE PlOt dEvICe WOrkS”
Rick and Morty (Glootie)-“That’s not how app’s work.” Haha haha!
It's not how the force works... A basic rule to create a good story is to follow the rules you create to your world. It's not our fault you have absolutely no sense of finesse.
"dark science, cloning, secrets only the sith knew." not like there was an entire movie and 7 season tv show where that was a large plot point
Ssssh that would mean Disney has to recognize the prequels and the good Star Wars media
The CLONE Wars?!! Nah dark science, cloning, secrets only the sith knew
Also, how would he know about it if ONLY the sith knew
Wtf... Did anyone else know Lowart can sing...? Like for real when can we get him singing his essays?
Lowart musical video when
He did a good Cat Stevens cover on one of his FMA videos.
Like literally.
Caught him on stream singing and it was like
*SIR CAN I GET AN ENCORE!*
the voice of an angel in my own opinion
Yeah he legit sounded really good there!
The secret Finn wanted to tell Rey was that he’s “force sensitive” apparently😂😂
Reyyyyyy we’re about to die...I gotta tell you something!!!!! I’m Force sensitive!!!!!!!
Despite his entire behavior beforehand implying that it was going to be a love confession.
That’s such a weird thing for someone to just tell, not show.
@@thomasmartin4281 It’s a weird thing to be coy and cryptic about.
Do u know that finn poe and rey were ment to be the new jedi knights and all of them get the call of THE FORCE AWAKENS to fight kylo ren and a young darth sidious who was ment to be played by matt smith and they would all have a lightsaber fight yeah i wana watch that movie 😒😒😒😒😒😒
It felt so wrong to hear the main theme when Lando arrived with a billion CGI ship models. It just reeked of laziness and trying hard to pander to us fans that already wrote off this "trilogy."
Seemed like a rip off of Black Panther's return in Endgame
I found positives in the prequels, even The Phantom Menace. When I was in the theater for this one, and I saw the number of ships in the end battle, I mouthed "what the f*ck." It is "The Matrix Revolutions" of the trilogy - all of the exciting possibilities of the first two films amounted to nothing. The air leaked out of the balloon. Imagine that sound while watching this film.
I happened to be in Japan for both Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker. Both showings the theater only had about 5 other people in the seats. During the quiets parts, I heard a lot of sighs from the audience. As a prequels fan, I found that pretty hilarious.
I'm a prequel fan too, I'm glad people are now saying the prequels aren't as bad in comparison
The main problem with these movies is that they were making it up as they went along
Just sad
Yep. And because of that, they were afraid to commit to anything until they absolutely had to. That is a big reason why nothing is satisfying, nothing is set up,so there is nothing to pay off.
@@Rebecca-oh5yh its also such a boring shoppy story, I cant enjoy any scene, because i know it means nothing, the action, the dialogue its all meaningless, and thats why ive decided to ignore this disney trilogy, and try to forget it.
TFA was pretty garbage too. So idk even if they had an idea it still would've probably be trash.
George kind of did the same thing with some stuff such as Luke and leia BUT at least he had a full fledged plan of all of his episodes!!! At least he was smart with it and didn’t rush. At least he had heart and soul for his art. This sequel trilogy saddened me because I wasted my time just to see Lucas’ OG movies be left in the dust by this excuse of a trilogy! I don’t put the sequels as canon and never willZ
Two things:
- this movie is like that scene is the Mr Bean movie, where he accidentally damages a valuable painting and every time he tries to fix it, it just ends up making it worse. And yes, we end up with a movie which is, like that "Whistler's Mother" painting, the image of a body crafted with skill and elegance with a head crudely drawn with a disposable cheap blue pen. It is now worthless and ruined. Thanks, J.J.
At least TLJ knew what it wanted to do...
- second thing is (and I've written this in another comment section), how this impacted the person who introduced me to Star Wars, my older sister. When she was a teen in the 80s she saw the original trilogy and was mesmerized by it. Being her kid sister meant I tried to emulate everything she did and like everything she liked. Pretty soon I was a SW fan as well. My niece also loved Star Wars, she dressed up as Rey, she collected the Lego ships, she bought books, she was obsessed with porgs and BB8. We were fans, all of us. But when my sister and I came out of the theatre after TROS I saw something in my her demeanor that saddened me: she had just lost a significant portion of her joyful memories of being a Star Wars fan. This movie killed that in her. I'm not joking or being hyperbolic, you could feel the disappointment in her silent walk to the parking lot. I laughed and facepalmed my way through this movie, but her... she was just sad and silent.
So I hate TROS. I hate it for taking that away from her.
My sympathies for your sister
I understand what she felt, I felt tired of Star Wars after seeing this when I've been a big fan of it since I was a kid. I had no interest in watching more of it, and the only thing that ended up making me care again was watching the final Clone Wars season
Yep. Ruined and then replaced with a cheap worthless copy of the original.
When I heard people's reviews of TLJ, I had lost all faith that anything they would put out moving forward would be anything other than fan service, apeing and relying heavily on the original for nostalgia and nothing else to offer. So, I didn't watch the last two movies. Don't plan to, either. I'd rather spend those 5 or so hours doing something productive and/or enjoyable.
Yeah I wanted nothing to do with Star Wars after this movie came out it was like someone disappointed me and I didn’t want to associate with them anymore, it wasn’t until the last season of clone wars and the madalorian when I realized why I fell in love in the first place
If Cats is better than disney star wars , you know they messed up .
To be fair, at least going in to cats all you go for is to see buttholes and that’s the disappointment. With star wars you go in expecting a movie and you get a two hour long documentary about taking a dump on paper and calling it a script.
@@Awecyan32 excellent analysis , man
Cats had technical issues up the wax zoo, but at least it wasn’t two separate shoots merged into one. Yes, TRoS was reshot and the two parts were stitched together
Spot on about the C3PO thing. I hate how throughout the whole trilogy, these new characters just treat him like shit
That didnt bother me at all. A walking toaster will never be a person or equal or as valuable as a person. It couldn't mean less. Format the damn thing's hard drive and move on
@@barrybathwater4877 Are you a robot racist? Do you genuinely have a grudge against robots? Besides, C3PO is more human than half the characters anyway.
@@ThyBigCheddar "Robots" will never be anything more than appliances and brainwashing you to think otherwise only makes you value humans less, as your comment shows.
@@barrybathwater4877 That’s not true but I’m not going to argue with someone who is genuinely racist against robots
@@ThyBigCheddar you're trolling
Finn: “How did you get Luke’s lightsaber?”
Maz: “Good question, for another time.”
* Rise of Skywalker rolls around
Maz: “I’ll get back to you on that.”