Analog Gaming Keyboards are sorta Pointless...for me 😉
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ค. 2024
- Analog gaming keyboards claim to do pretty much everything and are becoming more popular with the Wooting Two, Steelseries Apex Pro, Razer Huntsman V2 Analog and others jumping on the ship. Sure there are some benefits like Fortnite double movement but for the price are analog keyboards really worth it for PC gaming?
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Dmitry in the Razer Switches video: *"It would be cool to see a full analog switch keyboard from Razer."*
Razer: **Makes a full analog switch keyboard**
Dmitry: *"It's sorta pointless..."*
Razer: *"wat"*
lol ...
-D.
I definitely see a use for them (not watched the video yet). There are many games where having precision and granularity frees up other keys that would otherwise have to represent smaller changes.
i was just thinking about this
@@HardwareCanucks i been sayin they should make these for years, but your point about the fine motor control needed to balance out the wsad keys is not something i had considered. i think the best solution is probably a thumbstick combined with a keypad like the tartarus.
@@HardwareCanucks HALO Infinite would make full use of them as you need the mouse for precision but also need simultaneous analog input for land and air vehicles. Unfortunately the ONLY other HALO-esque game in existence is SWBF2. Valorant and GTA would def favor analog input too
Amazing video as always. I could feeeeel your frustration in this one and I’m glad I passed on it. Thanks for taking one for the team. 😁
Thanks for watching man 👍 hope all is good!
-D.
I just wonder what is Aimpad saying about this problems.
InstaBlaster...
CSGO: move faster without making footsteps
Well that's a one way to distract you from actually shooting in the game.
There was an exploit back then in csgo that allowed you to shoot accurately while moving faster than walking by using analog switches but it got patched out very quick.
@@WoozyK7 i'm pretty sure its not patched out, but well, i have no way to test it rn
Or the tank bug in battlefield hhahaha tank match 1 vs 1 won lel. Now you can say best of the world right
Now I can finally explain why I press harder to go faster!
Tartarus pro here. The analog switches are actually useful in a select scenarios and I like the feel of it. For me, I've taken advantage of the dual actuation points in some games. But, I will say that just because you can doesn't mean you should. For most of the time I still stick with the one press one function. Use it when it makes sense, and when it does, it works great.
The problem is they implemented this tech, but didn't actually make any use case for them.
Only Wooting seem to slowly be changing that with their upcoming Wooting Two HE which uses the analog system to let keypresses trigger a "release" the moment you slightly move up instead of only when going all the way back up beyond the "activate" line.
A small step but the right direction.
an amazing review of analog keyboards, adds more convenience to the controls and character movements.
Analog switches could be very useful for content creators, those who like making gaming clips, and for RPers, or those looking for the best gaming immersion experience.
As for the dual step actuations in FPS, you can assign a key to equip an item then use that item, which even includes pulling an item from your inventory and equipping it while using it. You could also assign a key to aim and zoom in to the maximum magnification without having to right click / click the zoom/aim key and then also press middle mouse or the magnification key.
The dual step actuations can be a huge game changers for MMORPGs
Razer Insider, Razer Reddit, or Razer Discord always have people uploading their profiles for others to use when it comes to lighting and keybinds.
not just for games, but just the ability to set custom actuation point is a solid win.
also they could introduce magnetic tech that Logitech uses in mx master 3 scroll wheel, if you want, it can be tactile with feedback, and if you want it can also be linearly smooth.
imagine optical keys that can be tactile and linear both according to users choice.
On the Wooting you can program the press, travel down, contact down, travel up, and release. So 4 programmable actions with 1 keypress.
Is it usable?
@@reeeeeeee-e2g Yeah I’m convinced nobody would actually use that other than mmo players MAYBE
As cool as having 4 action bind to one key press it will be extremely situational and this will activate every time you press down or travel up and release as well.
Having macro keys are just easier and can be put on independent keys. At least with the analog you might have 2 action and that is on press and bottom out. or on travel up and release. Still I really can't see many options for multiple action on one key at least not more than 2 independent actions.
Even if you are a combo users, those will be on cool-down or need a perfect set up every time to execute it just right. Otherwise you'll mill out a few of the skill moves or attack to go into the "perfect chain" execution. For that, you are better off program them into a macro to press one button and execute it.
@@GothicDragonX well you don't have to bind 4 actions to every key. just having the option to program the actions along 4 points is nice though
I can see the utilization in this for mmos honestly, having the extra keybinds would be extremely helpful.
Thanks! Useful video
How many keyboards are repairable? mechanics when the switch is broken it can be replaced if the laser burns out what should the keyboard do?
Great review!
I see this being really useful in Trackmania. Very fast paced racing game where precision is key.
Great review. You describe exactly what I think I would go through if I tried it. I can barely control my hands on a digital keyboard let alone trying to only press keys halfway down on an analog one! Sheesh. I play mostly shooters.
I agree with you on the point of pondering on the commitment it would require to train yourself. I was actually thinking the same thing while watching you explain. I wouldn't want to change my habit of pressing keys which would require adjustments based on feel. Although it may be fun to some, I don't think I can get on with right now. However, it is definitely fascinating.
nice dive into this subject!
I think Dmitri was struggling when he was talking about Fortnite😃
bcoz fortnite bad amirite?
haha not struggling but cannot really relate since I have 0 minutes played. Sorry for all the Fortnite players and my lack of xp with analog in it.
-D.
@@icerink239 u rite
I wonder if this can be implemented in Realforce Keyboards with APC. I assume drivers would have to be written for them.
One thing I think people over look is the dual actuation. For instance warzone you're always sprinting so bind W for both walk and sprint that will free up the shift key to another action personally I use it for plates ( healing) and it's very helpful
as long as you can train your fingers for it
I'm not a gamer, but I love the actuation by light making the keys last longer. For tactile feel, would this be ok, or better using another key type? Looks like the purple & red are more for games...
Can you make a roccat vulcan pro review i always wanted to know if it's worth buying or not
That is why I subscribed to you guys, thanks for pointing this out and saved me hundreds of dollars
Does anywhere actually sell key switches on their own? I couldn't care less about the adjustable actuation point as I'm perfectly happy feeling the mechanical tactile feedback of the contacts touching. I'd love to have 6 switches for QWEASD for the few games which support it well.
Is this keyboard good for r6? I figured with the walk feature, it would make pixel peeking easier and quick peeking
For me, as a steelseries apex pro owner, it's not about any extra analog feature but about the smoothness of the linear switches, they are miles ahead of any other mechanical switches and I can def feel the difference, even against the other non analog switches on the Steelseries :)
Also setting the level on when they actuate is pretty cool, I personally can't stand hyperactive switches (1-1.5mm), they get a lot of accidental presses for me, I prefer they around 2mm :)
But your video is valid, all this marketing buzz is mostly useless.
The key feel (on the steelseries and I bet on the razer as well) is legit, tho :)
And not having hyperactive switches for me is also worth the price, but if you don't care about that then it's not worth getting this keyboard or the steelseries :)
Nice video, as always:D
wait so the apex pro lets you mimick analog inputs? i heard that you just set a fixed actuation point
I would argue that Wooting has not been idle since this video went up with all their improvements to both their software and the new Lekker switches themselves. Unlike the other big name corps, the Wooting lads are extremely engaging with their customers and constantly talking about their next ideas and news via their blogs and streams. The Wootility software also has an "open source" online catalog of game profiles ready to go, which counters the "no recommended list" complaint I think.
Full disclosure, I'm a pre-order customer for the latest Wooting Two HE, but overall have been extremely happy to invest in such a close company of young entrepreneurs who still have a burning passion for what they're doing.
They would be very useful for war thunder. You can finely actuate the flight surfaces as much or as little as you want instead of fully on or off. You could easily set up the controls too as they are very customisable and support mouse, keyboard and joystick.
Just a thought, could Razer releasing and selling this keyboard (and if other manufacturers jump on board as well) gives more incentives for dev to work towards this direction? There may be games that can simulate these things pretty well imo
I’m glad you mentioned Ashen, it’s a fantastic game that I don’t think gets enough attention
Sounds nice for example for scrolling through comments, documents or other content smoothly without leaving your keyboard. In everyday situations there could also be a modifier key that activates these functions for the arrow keys or WASD keys. LIke holding down alt would enable it.
At least now I know the possibilities of an analog keyboard. Nothing I can use though. Thanks for the enlighting video. Keep it up!
I cannot get the damn razer keyboard analog control to work at the same time with my controller(for flying). I have one or the other and have to plug in my controller first and plug in my keyboard second to keep my controller usable in-game but I wont have analog controls. It sucks.(Battlefield V/PC)
Thank u so much for this review, makes me save 270 €👍
1:16 so clicking harder finally means something
It sounds cool to me but the price is insane and the added level to the software seems like such an incredible pain. Plus I do personally really like tactile switches for typing. I'll might pick up a tartarus pro anyway but I don't think I'll use the dual actuation.
Nitpicking here, but if it has 256 distinct steps in the downstroke, is it really analog?
The game developer needs to full support the analog control in the near future.
The real use case for "dual step" is light press does iron sights/aims, and heavy press fires. It's pretty obvious. Most other scenarios aren't very obvious.
A LOT of games have iron sights, so I think the reason that this guy and others don't even think of the scenario is that usually mouse button 1 fires--not a keyboard input.
In other words, mice probably need analog buttons more than keyboards...
What is point of getting this compared to Wooting two he?
Hey do you think the Wooting one is better
Let's say the game does not support analog... can I change the keyboard mod in the synapse to normal like any other normal keyboard?
I've the analog hunstman for 1 month and onl;y just learnt from this video how to acutally have the joystick like movement xD
Basically saying about how it will take time to get used to
The big question i have, is how are this compared to the razer huntsman mini linear? Cause i find those keys as the BEST mass produced keyboard ever.
But i would love to have the same feel on my work pc where i need the numpad, but no luck as of yet!
if you genuinely think the huntsman mini is the best mass produced keyboard ever, you have most likely never tried a varmillo, leopold, ducky, filco, or ikbc board.
Unrelated question: where do you buy that cardigan? What brand is it? Thank you :D
Same question here please.
I play star citizen so yeah its a game that supports joysticks controllers keyboard and mouse all at the same time in the same instance, and with how their flight and fps movement works it will be a bonus
I dunno man I get analog on a controller I get behind it but on a keyboard I think the travel distance is way too small to make input adjustments below the 5% realm
What game is this @7:15 please?
Perfect for cold war prop hunt, placing your decoy in just the right spot
league of legends can ideally make use of the two actuation points for regular spell cast vs quick cast? Never used analog switch, just a guess.
cant a game just allow you to dual wield a controller and a mouse?
so difficult?
Interesting idea, but with poor software and few games that support it fully, I wouldn't go this route.
To improve the feel, I would suggest a progressive spring that gets firmer the further you press the key, so that it gives some resistance against the full press. This would help differentiate between a light tap and a full press. Progressive springs can be tiring on the fingers though - I have Halo True tactile switches which max out at 100 grams of actuation force, and holding keys down (especially the shift with the pinky finger) for hours-long gaming sessions makes me want lighter switches. I think this is something that is so personal that finding the ideal spring progression would be difficult for the manufacturers.
In league of legends, you utilize analog keys by having quick skill cast and quick skill cast with indicator together to boost your mechanic and accuracy.
This allows you to get rid of the shift key. You will be casting skills in fast speed with indicators for more extreme range management with just one click.
That was wat I've been spamming with wooting.
two years later with the Razer Huntsman V3 Pro the same problem or has something changed?
Kinda... their main selling point today is Rapid Trigger which is amazing but a regular keyboard with "Kill Switch" feature should easily be able to compete with it
Kill Switch work in a way which you dont need to lift A/D. the moment you press the other, it immediately moves to the other side
As someone who is used to Cherry MX blue switches, I can tell you that the click is above the actuation point, and I have plenty of practice on keeping the key just under the clicker to press it faster multiple times.
Admittedly, the clicker adds some resistance so you can feel a barrier that you have to stay under.
The one thing about k&m interrupting analog is the two actuation point can give you two speed walking without using. A controller
Sure interesting to test type a bit on it if i see one of those somewhere(interesting switches), but buying... i love my ducky.
Would this not be good for car racing sims?
is analog good for overwatch and cod bo3?
Just ordered the Wooting two he today - never had a mechanic or analog Keyboard before.
I have the swiftpoint z with analog switches that is customizable close to the level of qmk yet using the analog switches is so difficult that I have never actually used them once
This is my daily driver, been using it for around a month i love this keyboard it's pretty expensive but man it feels premium, i'm not used to the sensitivity yet but i'm improving, i came from the Razer Cynosa Chroma, boy did i notice a huge improvement.
I love how at 3:53 you say “synapse. man, it has to get better.” I remember dealing with synapse when it first came out. It was bad then, and it’s bad now. lol
No, it’s really reliable now, just a bit hard to understand if you’re a beginner
Steelseries magnetic tech in the apex pro keyboards are also very interesting as an alternative to analog switches.
I love to watch the Comparison betwen this and apex pro, also ornata and apex 5
Man! I've been waiting for analog keyboards since years! I was initially hoping that some big hearted tech would make a left handed gamepad, but no, theres not alot of money in that for them. So after that I was finding ways of getting something close to analog control on my keyboard so I can start playing games again like I used to, and then finally, these things arrive in the market! Now my right thumb can finally relax.
I'd really like to know if someone has experience with these for sports games like FIFA, NBA, etc.
They would need to implement some form of haptic feedback for dual actuation points to really be usable, wouldn’t they?
uh, use a different key to switch from running to walking. how many games need analog keyboards anyways?
I really want analog trigger on the controller back. I really miss it with m GC controller
can you make a videos on corsair 5000x cabinet
can i buy it just to deactivate the analog?
I will keep my black widow and just get a tartarus pro. Thanks for the info/opinion.
Could be really awesome with universal driver and compatibility, it can be the next way to play with a keyboard it's just not ready yet.
I actually googled 'analog keyboard' about 4ish years ago and found out about Wooting. I immediately ordered a Wooting One and I love it.
I use digital input in competitive shooters because of response time, but in single player games I always use analog.
Another thing I love about the Wooting keyboards is that the switches are modular. My WASD keys were getting a little crunchy, so I just replaced the switches. No soldering, not buying a whole new keyboard, I just popped the old switches out with a key puller, and put 3 new ones in. Wooting supplies 3 replacement blue and red switches with their keyboards as well. I think they knew that would happen haha. You can also buy an entire replacement set of keys on their website for under $60USD. So, you buy the keyboard once and you can replace the keys as necessary without having to shill out another 100-150$USD for a new keyboard.
With mechanical keyboards being outrageously expensive already, why wouldn't you pony up a little bit extra and get not only optical switches but analog optical switches as well?
A lot of people say that this is a gimmick, or marketing strategy, honestly I wanted it before I even knew it existed so I'm sure other people did as well.
Thanks again Calder Jeroen and Erik, you guys rock!
Wooting Stan out!
You know you're a boomer when you're signing off comments.
It was a super exciting concept and the reason why I got a MK850....but in practice it just doesn't work on red switches. They would need to be Cherry MX Black heavy style or even more resistant.
I bought a tartatus pro and I have to say, i had zero learning curve, I was switching from walk to run, veeery slowly peeking around corners, and using analog for driving in 15-30 min. So i picked it up right away, and i've been typing for 30 years, and still had no issues learning to press keys softly or muscle memory wanting to just smash down. So i suppose it's very person to person. I love analog keys, I'm thinking of swapping the tartarus for a full board, mainly because of the terrible placement on the space key.. ugh.
I can see double click thing used for csgo and the awp cause you can now do the double pressing q thing faster than ever
I feel the same way. I just got a new keyboard and was considering something like this to have total control over games like using a controller... but after thinking about it, I realized it is pretty pointless. If I really want precision in a racing game - I almost always just pick up a controller anyway. Throttle on an analog trigger will almost always be better then a keyboard - unless you get the razor 10mm actuation distance swtiches.
Can you disable analog
yeah imagine you aint a key smasher you are a gentle guy playing cs and moving with w slower than shifting lol
You can turn it off lol
@@coconuts1483 why even buy it then
@@savalije2405 dunno but you said something dumb so I corrected it. Yeah no clue why you would buy this if you weren’t using it tho.
@@coconuts1483 yeah you know what im just gonna pretend you aint replying to half a year old comment and calling someone's comment stupid when you see you just bumped into a dead end
@@savalije2405 ok keep pretending
Can't wait to see how the Wooting Two HE Lekker Edition would perform.
Glad you also liked Hades!
Can they just make a gamepad/ keyboard with a joystick.
this keyboard good in dota 2 game?
I'm keeping my huntsman elite, had it for almost 2 years and it rocks solid
@@weplaywax I'm fine and I don't have that kind of money right now. I'll get it on a sale
Me too keeping I'm keepkng my huntsman elite, I'll be waiting for more reviews and for them to work on the software.
@@weplaywax well mine pissed me off last night and I smashed the keyboard. So i got a new keyboard but from a different brand
Definitely gonna become the main keyboard for fortnite players looking for joystick movement
Hey i need to a purchase asap I need a good laptop on which I can game too and has the capability of handling 30tabs of chrome at one time. My budget is $1500-1800
I think it is such a fantastic idea for racing games.... I actually would love to have one.
Day 1 of telling HC to build their own mechanical keyboard and grow from there.
While building a keyboard is in the realm of doable, and even not really all that hard, relatively, making the software to support something like these analog switches is a pretty daunting project. Just look at all the grief companies like Razer, Logitech and Corsair get for their software suites. They've been at it for years and still haven't perfected the software side and they have spent a lot of money developing what they have. Having a single product to support would of course make it simpler, but whenever you decide to add a product things get complicated. You can just make a new software, but then you have to support two different sets of code. Or you do what others have tried to and create a software suit that works for all your products, but then it tends to grow in complexity for each product or version of a product you add support, and it gets hard to provide a good clean GUI that's easy to use, powerful, stable and has a solid user experience.
@@blahorgaslisk7763 Not really "that kind" of building a mechanical keyboard with HC's identity (make their own design, manufacture, etc.) but rather just build their own custom board using existing aftermarket parts (kits, switches, stabilizers, mods, etc.) for each HC staff.
Though I do get your side haha
@@justindelacruz9172 Ah! Yea, that could make for an interesting series of videos.
Personally I'm not a keyboard aficionado. All I want is N-Key rollover and a numpad. The actual switch used is however not something I really worry about. But there are a lot of people who take a huge interest in anything key switch related.
For a video series like this it might be interesting to make two keyboards for each person. One which they are to specc for work and one specced for gaming. What would their choices of tech and layout be for these two situations. Would they want the same layout for both gaming and work?
@@blahorgaslisk7763 Yeah the return diminishes greatly as you go more expensive with keyboard parts. It's more of an "I can just because" thing rather than a "I should because it's handy or useful" situation.
A nice keyboard under $100 will give you all the features you need honestly (n-key rollover, 1000hz polling rate, hotswappable board, etc).
Yeah, I just want them to build their own decked out boards. Really curious with what they'll go with.
As cool as that sounds. It’s a waste for them to do that and make videos on it. If they make a video on a mainstream keyboard people who are thinking about buying it will watch it.
Hardware Canucks: “Are you determined enough to re-learn your fingers/keyboard?”
Me: *Chuckles in Colemak*
Ashen looking good at 3:31
I don't really press the keys on my keyboard all the way down most of the time anyway, so I think I could actually get used to using an analog keyboard. Only problem is I don't really play anything that would benefit from it
Analog Keyboards could be really fantastic for "Lovers in a dangerous spacetime"
I beat the hell out of MX greens... so, probably not the target audience for them.
Although a timer along with the height / second activation point could work; a momentary bottoming out could class as the same as a mid activation (walking), but held 0.5 / 1.0 sec could then represent the second function (running).
I wonder what the macro king has to say about this keyboard
I'm getting the Hunstman V2. So cool man!
PS2 had pressure sensitive buttons. Worked very well
basically, to make this thing actually work, they need to change that 75g switches to something around 120g or even more (like 150g super black switches), so u can actually feel the difference between soft touch and actual force applied.
same goes for all "cybersport" mice - i cant play shooter games with something less than ~120g weight, i cant be accurate when i dont feel what am i moving and dont know what force should i apply.
have a wooting gotta say for me nothing special got it for racing games but honestly i find i cant get used to the fine throttle control anyway the theory is sound i just cannot control it