That seems very logical that it slipped off.. at least at first on one edge.. I have 35 years as a Master Captain with most of my experience in Massachusetts where the gangway system is very necessary for the tidal swings. I understand people saying that the gangway looked way too long.. unnecessarily long.. but they don't understand that the longer it is, the less of angle it will be at low tide.. and that makes unloading cargo easier. THANK YOU for your insight and information Captain 👍
@@MinorcanMullet there’s talk of too many people on the gangway. As maybe the weigh of the persons had something to do with collapse. But then that leads to should someone from the ferry boat control flow of people or the state on the other side of the monitoring flow of passengers? Just a thought.
As an old Boatswain's Mate I concur . The only thing I see wrong is why are the ships moorings so far from the pier ? Surely they could have moved the Boathouse closer to moorings. 🤔🫡⚓
Thank you Andy and well said. You should be on their investigation team. I viewed the prior news conference and it is typical response from government officials..."this is ongoing investigation & we can't comment"...The victims demand accountability for the failure of that walkway ramp !! Your last photo, showing the ramp at the extreme edge of the floating dock is quite telling. Too much weight on that ramp with it's edge right at the edge of the dock, would cause the floating dock to list toward the ramp, causing it to fall off the floating dock into the water...this is "gross negligence" of the personnel responsible for the safety of the visitors boarding and off-boarding the ferry...be it state officials, the ferry crew or both. This should never have happened. I've lived in Brunswick all my life, visited all the barrier islands and I know the dangers of these waters along with the currents. Even myself, an experienced swimmer, as you mention, dropping into the water fully clothed, would be a shock and near impossible to battle those currents without experience. The same as being caught in a rip-tide on the beach... Once again, thank you Andy...I share your pain... My heart, prayers and tears go out to all the victims and families of this tragedy 💖
I appreciate you explaining & showing this theory, and also the conditions there. I was a resident of Hird Island, a neighboring island just south of Sapelo, for many years & know everything you said to be true first hand. I send my prayers to the friends & families, and those directly involved in this tragedy. 🙏💜
Sorry Capt., I tried listening on my iPad and desktop but the audio was very low and gabled. Thanks for all the updates today. Our prayers go out to all who lost loved ones or had loved ones injured.
Don’t know who you are but you were the only one reporting this story at 1st. Watching all of your videos/coverage. Thank you so much! Definitely subbed! 🙏🏾 Rewatching your videos showing my husband. ❤️ Thank you!
Judging by the dock sloped into the water, I'd say that's a pretty good theory. That tide is really flowing, just terrifying knowing they fell into similar conditions Thanks for the video.
Looked like a picture of the hinge of the gangway(Coast Guard)broken loose from it's anchor point. losing support on one side of the gangway could cause the hinge to break or gangway to twist.
I get the tide issue but still have never seen a disconnect like that one. Low tide is something that should have been accounted for but super high might be different? The current in places like that is nearly impossible to fight. If anyone made it back to the dock, that’s amazing. All people involved have my greatest sympathy. 💔
Sad situation for sure. That theory is very plausible but would think those conditions would have been considered in the design and construction. From the witness description you shared sure sounds like that’s what happened. One question or factor might be was had the floating dock been pushed further away from the fixed dock over time due to current and scouring around its pylons or maybe wind loads and such when boats have been moored to it over time. Again, very sad to see such loss of life.
We have a local ferry in Southampton. uk . From a fixed pier with a flexing ramp down to a floating platform secured at each ent by 3 huge steels posts each end .. however it was found that two of the three posts one end had fractured with the wash of passing cruise vesicles and container ships … There is also a possibility that the posts have moved in the mud … We too have varying tides, and weather …
When the ramp is salvaged, that will help determine what happened. If the ramp is bent or collapsed, there was too much load and if the end is damaged, it came off the dock.
From the photos, we can see that the ramp is still attached at the top, which supports your theory. I wonder how people could not notice that the bottom of the ramps was so close to the edge of the floating dock, tho.
That last segment was almost no audio. I could turn it up more here, but it already was so high that if the audio suddenly improved, it would blast my ears, so I did not turn it full on. Sorry, Andy, but thank you anyway.
Many thanks for this very informative video. For us "land lubbers" it's hard to remember how powerful the tidal changes can be. Prayers for the loved ones affected by this tragic loss and the families and friend who grieve.
Regardless of the details, as someone who grew up on these types of docks it is hard to understand why there was no one there who recognized that there were far too many people on the ramp and warned people to spread out. I've never seen anything like that number crowding onto a ramp, even at parties, fishing tournaments, etc.,. Normally if there are 3 or 4 people, or even just a couple of guys with a loaded icebox on the ramp, you stand to one side and wait for them to clear the ramp, then take your turn. It is common sense and common courtesy. Was there no one there with enough experience/judgement to warn people not to crowd a ramp like that? Even if you are new to floating docks, you can see you have a significant span with exactly two points of support, only one of which is fixed, and the other point is more or less free to move in 3 dimensions with only limited constraints - what could possibly go wrong? Perhaps it can be argued that someone should have been assigned to control ramp traffic, but at what point can you expect adults to apply a little discretion and common sense on their own? Especially when an incalculable number of people have exercised adequate restraint and judgement to remain safe throughout the Southern coastal area in nearly identical settings. I'm sorry for the victims and their families, but I am also sorry for the innocent people who will be targeted by; lawyers looking for a payday, and those who see this as their chance at the litigation lottery. I think we've all seen those "let your lawyer make you rich" billboards. In a society as litigious as ours, it's amazing that anything remains open to the public. This event is tragic in more ways than one.
If it was 20 people, at an average 200 pounds, it's 4000 pounds = 2 tons. That would definitely lower the floating dock. It would also be a lot of bending stress on the very long gangway.
Just a thought - I thought it looked like the loading ramp was wide enough to accommodate two people side by side. If so, and if it was full of people lined up loading, that would be a substantial load on the two wheels at end of ramp. If it was close to low tide and the ramp wheels were closer to the edge of the floating dock part, then perhaps the floating dock portion was able to tip enough with the concentrated weight to the side slightly and allow the wheels to slip off the edge. Just an idea!!
I was on the floating dock when the gangway collapsed. It failed in the middle first. Then the side of the ganway that was on the floating dock side fell into the water. I have a picture that I took after everyone visible had been pulled from the water that shows the hinges on the gangway on the sapelo side seem intact. Those pictures you show of the damaged hinge were taken probably the next day and that gangway probably rocked and rolled with the current all night and that may be what you're seeing in that picture. I'll send you mine if you tell me how to get it to you. My heart goes out to everyone touched by this tragedy.
Hey Minorcan!! I know this is off topic here but I have a quick trawl question, off your stern of your boat how long is your tow bridal and pulley setup that loops from eye to eye on your stern? also how deep have you been able to fish your net setup in relation to your warp length I'm considering sizing up on the 12"×24" doors I got now cuz I cannot for the life of me get to swim on bottom down deep any help I really appreciate my man thx b.
That yoke is about 12' long. The pulley is where I attach the bridles. Allows the boat to pivot and help with turning. I usually drag up on the beach in 8-15'. I suppose I could add a mainline to the bridle and fish the net deeper, but I haven't had the need. The way I haul back- by detaching the tow line and going around to the tailbag float, means I really need to take up in shallow water.
@@MinorcanMullet makes sense why you do what you do then. I added 35 more ft to my (warp) aka tow lines last nite made a pull directly over a particular spot I have many times but with way better luck this goaround. let's say I finally got the net down to where it should have been all along and man the shrimp were there. listen mr Andy I'm doing all this solo as well I have no one to lean on or to ask questions on how this should be done it has been a very very hard process and still really know nothing. all I know is this is dying "thing" and it seems no one really gives a hoot to keep it going all I know is that for some reason for the past 2 or 3 years god has spoken to me to do this not for sport nor a source of income but to just do it its weird sounding I know man but there's more to it mabey one day we could exchange numbers and when I'm in brunswick or sapelo area we could chat more on the topic until then I appreciate your advice and input I truly do Andy thanks. Benjamin
Looking at the aerial photo at the end, there's very little overlap from the gangway to the floating dock. Very possible the gangway could have slipped off the dock. Somebody seriously screwed up the design calculations. Major lawsuits.
If it fell off (which I think is a reasonable theroy) the people at the end would have been caught in a very bad pinch point between the dock and the ramp. I feel so sorry for these people and their familes, I hope those who did make have a speedy recovery.
Good morning we have the same kind of ramps going down to our floats here where I live the volume is really bad I'm glad I use captions cuz I couldn't hear you at all normally it's really good so something happened I know it's not my tablet because I hear other TH-cam stuff fine
The part back at home is okay but the rest of the Audio is so bad I can't even get captioning. Is there any chance you can try to upload this one again?
While growing up in this area and swimming these rivers and inlets at a young age I learned to swim with the current and not against the current because that will wear you out real quick plus not knowing if the ones who lost their lives had known about swimming in a current
I would expect there to be someone watching the ramp's position and there being a no-go zone set in advance where the ramp would be closed due to not enough travel left for the ramp to safely operate. Negligence?
I have two almost identical Mac systems - one plays the audio just fine and on the other it's completely garbled. The people who design audio codecs are ignorant sacks of crap.
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That seems very logical that it slipped off.. at least at first on one edge.. I have 35 years as a Master Captain with most of my experience in Massachusetts where the gangway system is very necessary for the tidal swings. I understand people saying that the gangway looked way too long.. unnecessarily long.. but they don't understand that the longer it is, the less of angle it will be at low tide.. and that makes unloading cargo easier. THANK YOU for your insight and information Captain 👍
ADA compliance required a slope rate for wheelchair access the necessitated a ramp of this length
@MinorcanMullet Definitely makes sense.. less angle means easier wheelchair access
@@MinorcanMullet there’s talk of too many people on the gangway. As maybe the weigh of the persons had something to do with collapse. But then that leads to should someone from the ferry boat control flow of people or the state on the other side of the monitoring flow of passengers? Just a thought.
As an old Boatswain's Mate I concur . The only thing I see wrong is why are the ships moorings so far from the pier ? Surely they could have moved the Boathouse closer to moorings. 🤔🫡⚓
Great job of your experience and explaining the function of a gangway dock Sir.
Thank you Andy and well said. You should be on their investigation team. I viewed the prior news conference and it is typical response from government officials..."this is ongoing investigation & we can't comment"...The victims demand accountability for the failure of that walkway ramp !! Your last photo, showing the ramp at the extreme edge of the floating dock is quite telling. Too much weight on that ramp with it's edge right at the edge of the dock, would cause the floating dock to list toward the ramp, causing it to fall off the floating dock into the water...this is "gross negligence" of the personnel responsible for the safety of the visitors boarding and off-boarding the ferry...be it state officials, the ferry crew or both. This should never have happened.
I've lived in Brunswick all my life, visited all the barrier islands and I know the dangers of these waters along with the currents. Even myself, an experienced swimmer, as you mention, dropping into the water fully clothed, would be a shock and near impossible to battle those currents without experience. The same as being caught in a rip-tide on the beach...
Once again, thank you Andy...I share your pain...
My heart, prayers and tears go out to all the victims and families of this tragedy 💖
I appreciate you explaining & showing this theory, and also the conditions there. I was a resident of Hird Island, a neighboring island just south of Sapelo, for many years & know everything you said to be true first hand. I send my prayers to the friends & families, and those directly involved in this tragedy. 🙏💜
Sorry Capt., I tried listening on my iPad and desktop but the audio was very low and gabled. Thanks for all the updates today. Our prayers go out to all who lost loved ones or had loved ones injured.
Your device is set to mono. Switch it to stereo
Thanks Capt Andy for taking the time to go to your marina for a great explanation on the ramp!!!!
Don’t know who you are but you were the only one reporting this story at 1st. Watching all of your videos/coverage. Thank you so much! Definitely subbed! 🙏🏾 Rewatching your videos showing my husband. ❤️ Thank you!
AUDIO WAS FINE FOR ME... except the very last segment from home .. that was lower but manageable
Same for me , second part lower but ok
Judging by the dock sloped into the water, I'd say that's a pretty good theory. That tide is really flowing, just terrifying knowing they fell into similar conditions Thanks for the video.
Looked like a picture of the hinge of the gangway(Coast Guard)broken loose from it's anchor point. losing support on one side of the gangway could cause the hinge to break or gangway to twist.
I've tried to reload the video 3 times but i can't hear anything
I get the tide issue but still have never seen a disconnect like that one. Low tide is something that should have been accounted for but super high might be different? The current in places like that is nearly impossible to fight. If anyone made it back to the dock, that’s amazing. All people involved have my greatest sympathy. 💔
Thanks,good explanation. I’ve slipped down the gangway at Crooked River before on low tide in the rain.
I'm not getting any audio
Me neither, I can't understand anything he says. I'm not even getting close caption.
Your device is set to mono. Switch it to Stereo
@bennetts-revenge_2 your device is set to mono. Switch it to stereo
thank you for the illustration
Thank you Captain Andy! Btw audio is fine on my device, has to turn it up a hair when you got to home base but could hear it all 👍
Thanks Andy. Thinking of everyone involved. Stay safe and healthy.
Sad situation for sure. That theory is very plausible but would think those conditions would have been considered in the design and construction. From the witness description you shared sure sounds like that’s what happened. One question or factor might be was had the floating dock been pushed further away from the fixed dock over time due to current and scouring around its pylons or maybe wind loads and such when boats have been moored to it over time. Again, very sad to see such loss of life.
We have a local ferry in Southampton. uk . From a fixed pier with a flexing ramp down to a floating platform secured at each ent by 3 huge steels posts each end .. however it was found that two of the three posts one end had fractured with the wash of passing cruise vesicles and container ships …
There is also a possibility that the posts have moved in the mud …
We too have varying tides, and weather …
That looks more like a river current than tide movement. Having not seen a tide going out or coming in that flow is surpirsing.
When the ramp is salvaged, that will help determine what happened. If the ramp is bent or collapsed, there was too much load and if the end is damaged, it came off the dock.
From the photos, we can see that the ramp is still attached at the top, which supports your theory. I wonder how people could not notice that the bottom of the ramps was so close to the edge of the floating dock, tho.
In fact from the views you show at the end of the video, it's clearly an accident just waiting to happen.
Thank you Cap't Andy. Te whole event was a tragedy. Seems like a very plausible explanation, Thanks for keeping us updated
That last segment was almost no audio. I could turn it up more here, but it already was so high that if the audio suddenly improved, it would blast my ears, so I did not turn it full on. Sorry, Andy, but thank you anyway.
reloading the video now
Very good explanation !
Thank you sir !
Many thanks for this very informative video. For us "land lubbers" it's hard to remember how powerful the tidal changes can be. Prayers for the loved ones affected by this tragic loss and the families and friend who grieve.
Thank You Capt. Andy for keeping us updated. Again another great and informative video
Regardless of the details, as someone who grew up on these types of docks it is hard to understand why there was no one there who recognized that there were far too many people on the ramp and warned people to spread out. I've never seen anything like that number crowding onto a ramp, even at parties, fishing tournaments, etc.,. Normally if there are 3 or 4 people, or even just a couple of guys with a loaded icebox on the ramp, you stand to one side and wait for them to clear the ramp, then take your turn. It is common sense and common courtesy. Was there no one there with enough experience/judgement to warn people not to crowd a ramp like that? Even if you are new to floating docks, you can see you have a significant span with exactly two points of support, only one of which is fixed, and the other point is more or less free to move in 3 dimensions with only limited constraints - what could possibly go wrong? Perhaps it can be argued that someone should have been assigned to control ramp traffic, but at what point can you expect adults to apply a little discretion and common sense on their own? Especially when an incalculable number of people have exercised adequate restraint and judgement to remain safe throughout the Southern coastal area in nearly identical settings. I'm sorry for the victims and their families, but I am also sorry for the innocent people who will be targeted by; lawyers looking for a payday, and those who see this as their chance at the litigation lottery. I think we've all seen those "let your lawyer make you rich" billboards. In a society as litigious as ours, it's amazing that anything remains open to the public. This event is tragic in more ways than one.
Great explanation, thanks . Charles
I saw video this morning where the gangway was loaded on a barge. The gangway appeared to be broken in the middle.
If it was 20 people, at an average 200 pounds, it's 4000 pounds = 2 tons. That would definitely lower the floating dock. It would also be a lot of bending stress on the very long gangway.
Just a thought - I thought it looked like the loading ramp was wide enough to accommodate two people side by side. If so, and if it was full of people lined up loading, that would be a substantial load on the two wheels at end of ramp. If it was close to low tide and the ramp wheels were closer to the edge of the floating dock part, then perhaps the floating dock portion was able to tip enough with the concentrated weight to the side slightly and allow the wheels to slip off the edge. Just an idea!!
I was on the floating dock when the gangway collapsed. It failed in the middle first. Then the side of the ganway that was on the floating dock side fell into the water. I have a picture that I took after everyone visible had been pulled from the water that shows the hinges on the gangway on the sapelo side seem intact. Those pictures you show of the damaged hinge were taken probably the next day and that gangway probably rocked and rolled with the current all night and that may be what you're seeing in that picture. I'll send you mine if you tell me how to get it to you. My heart goes out to everyone touched by this tragedy.
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Hey Minorcan!! I know this is off topic here but I have a quick trawl question, off your stern of your boat how long is your tow bridal and pulley setup that loops from eye to eye on your stern? also how deep have you been able to fish your net setup in relation to your warp length I'm considering sizing up on the 12"×24" doors I got now cuz I cannot for the life of me get to swim on bottom down deep any help I really appreciate my man thx b.
That yoke is about 12' long. The pulley is where I attach the bridles. Allows the boat to pivot and help with turning. I usually drag up on the beach in 8-15'. I suppose I could add a mainline to the bridle and fish the net deeper, but I haven't had the need. The way I haul back- by detaching the tow line and going around to the tailbag float, means I really need to take up in shallow water.
@@MinorcanMullet makes sense why you do what you do then. I added 35 more ft to my (warp) aka tow lines last nite made a pull directly over a particular spot I have many times but with way better luck this goaround. let's say I finally got the net down to where it should have been all along and man the shrimp were there. listen mr Andy I'm doing all this solo as well I have no one to lean on or to ask questions on how this should be done it has been a very very hard process and still really know nothing. all I know is this is dying "thing" and it seems no one really gives a hoot to keep it going all I know is that for some reason for the past 2 or 3 years god has spoken to me to do this not for sport nor a source of income but to just do it its weird sounding I know man but there's more to it mabey one day we could exchange numbers and when I'm in brunswick or sapelo area we could chat more on the topic until then I appreciate your advice and input I truly do Andy thanks. Benjamin
Looking at the aerial photo at the end, there's very little overlap from the gangway to the floating dock. Very possible the gangway could have slipped off the dock. Somebody seriously screwed up the design calculations. Major lawsuits.
Thanks for the explanation. The volume has gone from your normal very low, to quite high 😂 Appreciate the effort.
Sorry Audio was garbled
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Stayin tuned.
If it fell off (which I think is a reasonable theroy) the people at the end would have been caught in a very bad pinch point between the dock and the ramp. I feel so sorry for these people and their familes, I hope those who did make have a speedy recovery.
Volume is low and sound is muffled.
I work there the ramp collapsed in the middle and fell off the end of the floating dock
Making that correction on tonight's video.
Good morning we have the same kind of ramps going down to our floats here where I live the volume is really bad I'm glad I use captions cuz I couldn't hear you at all normally it's really good so something happened I know it's not my tablet because I hear other TH-cam stuff fine
We had that same type of ramp collapse in downtown St.Marys -- just down I 95 south of this. So the rollers failed?
It may have been too much weight concentrated on one end that caused the failure
The part back at home is okay but the rest of the Audio is so bad I can't even get captioning. Is there any chance you can try to upload this one again?
While growing up in this area and swimming these rivers and inlets at a young age I learned to swim with the current and not against the current because that will wear you out real quick plus not knowing if the ones who lost their lives had known about swimming in a current
Turn on the closed caption.
Your device is set to mono. Switch it to stereo
The biggest problem is that it was badly overloaded with too many on it at once .
Can't hear anything.
could not hear you.
Damn it no sound
Dang, can’t hear you
I would expect there to be someone watching the ramp's position and there being a no-go zone set in advance where the ramp would be closed due to not enough travel left for the ramp to safely operate. Negligence?
Too much weight at one time.
Audio after 6:03 is unable to be heard
No audible sound for me.
Volume trouble buddy
can you reload it and check it again tim? works fine on my end
@MinorcanMullet it was only when you come back at home in the ending.. I had it too
@@MinorcanMulletit’s seems much better now
No volume.
I have two almost identical Mac systems - one plays the audio just fine and on the other it's completely garbled. The people who design audio codecs are ignorant sacks of crap.
Gurl the audio to low at the end
Tried reloading and still not working
Your mic all messed up...
Problem with the audio. Not clear at all!!!
audio messed up a little over 6 min in
No sound on iPhone
Audio is garbled. Can't understand.
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Very weak audio.
It did not slip off, that’s a fact.
Just relaying what was told to me by someone who was on the ramp
@@MinorcanMullet oh yes. I understand, but I have photos of the ramp after they pulled it out yesterday evening . It failed in center area
I heard it fine, apple iPhone 👍
I believe your having a 🎤 issue I can barely hear you
Hello🙂↔️thank you for making this wonderful video so as to understand the workings of things☑️ for all those effected by this I share love & comfort🕊️🤍🩵
So nice of you
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