One of the biggest issues people, who have read everything of Tolkien, have with the show is that it takes place in the Second Age. Tolkien did originally write most of it in the Simarillion. But the Show doesn't have any copyright to the Simarillion. Therefor they have to make up everything and deviate from the books. So in the books Galadriel sailed with her mother to the west but was refused by the Valar because of her pride. In the show they made it her own choice. So the end result is sort of the same but reasons are different. And this will continue to happen, due to copyright.
If you want to understand where the show is going, you can read the appendices in Return of the King. It has a synopsis of the timelines from the 1st age to the 3rd age. Before the Shire was settled, there were 3 types of ancestors: the Harfoots, the Fallohides, and the Stoors.
You know, it’s amazing, I watched ROP and the black characters didn’t ruin it. I actually love the show. Who would’ve thought that the skin color of characters wouldn’t affect the quality of the show? 😂
Guys, let the racists be racist. Keep them in their own cobwebby little corner of the internet. One of the biggest reasons they do it is to get good folk like you to waste your time talking about *their* narrative. You don't need to logic out why a show you like is multi-ethnic, it just is, and the casting doesnt affect it one way or another. People are people. Loved the first reaction, and excited for you two to get deeper in. Who *is* that meteor man??
Yes WHO IS THE METEOR MAN?? And thanks, we are probably done talking about the race issue but it's always annoying that people are even bothered by it.
End of the first Age is the destruction of Morgoth. (As mentioned one of the Valar, the most powerful even). Sauron was Morgoth's first lieutenant. So Galadriel believes he wasn't destroyed with Morgoth, but most of the other elves believe he was. (An other name for Morgoth is Melkor).
Enjoyed your reactions and this first episode! Not a scholar here, but did read the Silmarillion years ago. I believe that Valinor and the Undying Lands are often used interchangeably but I've also see where Valinor is considered the part of the Undying Lands where the Valar live. Morgoth was one of the Valar (kind of archangels if you like) and the one that rebelled against the one god, Eru Ilúvatar. His rebellion started in Valinor where he destroyed of the two trees (with some help but lets not complicate things too much). He fled to Middle-Earth were the Elves followed to battle him. This battle (the War of Wrath) was the end of the 1st age. I understand that the Rings of Power will deal with the 2nd age, which per Tolkien lasted over 3, 000 years. I'm sure the show will condense it greatly for dramatic purposes. The prequel in LotR:FotR tells of the events that ended the 2nd age. The Hobbit & LotR take place at the end of the 3rd age (which also lasted over 3,000 years). Gandalf was one of the Maiar (lesser angels if you like), primordial spirits created to help the Valar first shape the World. So yes Gandalf is ancient. Sauron is also a Maia.
@@ElvishReactions Would you believe it if we told you that the Balrog is another one of those beings on the same level as Gandalf and Sauron? I almost want to commission an oil painting of the three of them getting coffee together.
At the end of Return of the King, all of the ring bearers go to the Undying Lands. So, yes, Elrond, Galadriel, Gandalf, Bilbo, and Frodo leave together.
So... Most of the people of middle earth, but especially Elves cannot die. Even if killed, their spirits go to the Halls of Mandos, a sort of purgatory on Valinor, where they reflect and cleanse themselves. Some, if good enough, may be reincarnated, others may spend eternity there. The point is that if you live forever, what happens is instead of getting old and dying, you live on, getting sadder and tireder, watching the world leave you behind until all you have is sorrow and loneliness. Valinor is a place of light, and warmth and healing so that even the weight of immortality isn't so crushing a burden. The Elves who left middle earth did so under quite a cloud, and were basically told not to come back, that by making war on Morgoth they were partaking of his darkness, they would know great suffering and hardship, and their quest was hopeless - Elves could not defeat Morgoth, a Vala (essentially an Archangel or demigod). Being allowed back was a huge deal, so it's not surprising that Galadriel felt she could not return - we see in The Fellowship of the Ring that she realises, by passing the test of the One Ring she's now worthy of returning to Valinor. You *can* leave Valinor... but you wouldn't. Humans can die, which is why they're always referred to as "mortal men" and are considered very fortunate to have been given this gift. Fun fact - as an immortal, Sauron isn't killed at the end of Lord of the Rings, he's just so weak with the destruction of the ring that he might as well just be mist on the wind. In Gandalf's words, cast so low that he could never rise again for all of time.
@@ElvishReactions No worries! Happy to share the benefit of my own reading - the Silmarillion and the Unfinished tales aren't especially easy reads, but the knowledge in them adds perspective to a lot of this stuff.
One of the biggest issues people, who have read everything of Tolkien, have with the show is that it takes place in the Second Age. Tolkien did originally write most of it in the Simarillion. But the Show doesn't have any copyright to the Simarillion. Therefor they have to make up everything and deviate from the books. So in the books Galadriel sailed with her mother to the west but was refused by the Valar because of her pride. In the show they made it her own choice. So the end result is sort of the same but reasons are different. And this will continue to happen, due to copyright.
If you want to understand where the show is going, you can read the appendices in Return of the King. It has a synopsis of the timelines from the 1st age to the 3rd age. Before the Shire was settled, there were 3 types of ancestors: the Harfoots, the Fallohides, and the Stoors.
Thank you!! I think I read some of the appendices waaaaaaaay back lol but not all of them.
You know, it’s amazing, I watched ROP and the black characters didn’t ruin it. I actually love the show. Who would’ve thought that the skin color of characters wouldn’t affect the quality of the show? 😂
Guys, let the racists be racist. Keep them in their own cobwebby little corner of the internet. One of the biggest reasons they do it is to get good folk like you to waste your time talking about *their* narrative. You don't need to logic out why a show you like is multi-ethnic, it just is, and the casting doesnt affect it one way or another. People are people. Loved the first reaction, and excited for you two to get deeper in. Who *is* that meteor man??
Yes WHO IS THE METEOR MAN?? And thanks, we are probably done talking about the race issue but it's always annoying that people are even bothered by it.
End of the first Age is the destruction of Morgoth. (As mentioned one of the Valar, the most powerful even). Sauron was Morgoth's first lieutenant. So Galadriel believes he wasn't destroyed with Morgoth, but most of the other elves believe he was. (An other name for Morgoth is Melkor).
Enjoyed your reactions and this first episode! Not a scholar here, but did read the Silmarillion years ago. I believe that Valinor and the Undying Lands are often used interchangeably but I've also see where Valinor is considered the part of the Undying Lands where the Valar live.
Morgoth was one of the Valar (kind of archangels if you like) and the one that rebelled against the one god, Eru Ilúvatar. His rebellion started in Valinor where he destroyed of the two trees (with some help but lets not complicate things too much). He fled to Middle-Earth were the Elves followed to battle him. This battle (the War of Wrath) was the end of the 1st age. I understand that the Rings of Power will deal with the 2nd age, which per Tolkien lasted over 3, 000 years. I'm sure the show will condense it greatly for dramatic purposes. The prequel in LotR:FotR tells of the events that ended the 2nd age. The Hobbit & LotR take place at the end of the 3rd age (which also lasted over 3,000 years).
Gandalf was one of the Maiar (lesser angels if you like), primordial spirits created to help the Valar first shape the World. So yes Gandalf is ancient. Sauron is also a Maia.
Thank you for all this!! Especially as I did not know that Sauron was the same kind of being as Gandalf.
@@ElvishReactions Would you believe it if we told you that the Balrog is another one of those beings on the same level as Gandalf and Sauron? I almost want to commission an oil painting of the three of them getting coffee together.
At the end of Return of the King, all of the ring bearers go to the Undying Lands. So, yes, Elrond, Galadriel, Gandalf, Bilbo, and Frodo leave together.
Thank you!! I really thought so but it's been so long.
So... Most of the people of middle earth, but especially Elves cannot die. Even if killed, their spirits go to the Halls of Mandos, a sort of purgatory on Valinor, where they reflect and cleanse themselves. Some, if good enough, may be reincarnated, others may spend eternity there. The point is that if you live forever, what happens is instead of getting old and dying, you live on, getting sadder and tireder, watching the world leave you behind until all you have is sorrow and loneliness. Valinor is a place of light, and warmth and healing so that even the weight of immortality isn't so crushing a burden.
The Elves who left middle earth did so under quite a cloud, and were basically told not to come back, that by making war on Morgoth they were partaking of his darkness, they would know great suffering and hardship, and their quest was hopeless - Elves could not defeat Morgoth, a Vala (essentially an Archangel or demigod).
Being allowed back was a huge deal, so it's not surprising that Galadriel felt she could not return - we see in The Fellowship of the Ring that she realises, by passing the test of the One Ring she's now worthy of returning to Valinor.
You *can* leave Valinor... but you wouldn't.
Humans can die, which is why they're always referred to as "mortal men" and are considered very fortunate to have been given this gift.
Fun fact - as an immortal, Sauron isn't killed at the end of Lord of the Rings, he's just so weak with the destruction of the ring that he might as well just be mist on the wind. In Gandalf's words, cast so low that he could never rise again for all of time.
Thank you for ALL of this! Especially that last bit on Sauron. All fascinating stuff.
@@ElvishReactions No worries! Happy to share the benefit of my own reading - the Silmarillion and the Unfinished tales aren't especially easy reads, but the knowledge in them adds perspective to a lot of this stuff.
How about that poison cow though? Utter nightmare fuel.
LOL I see what you did there. Though it would be udder for a proper pun.
Really liked your reactions! I will let people who are more knowledgeable about Tolkien lore answer your questions.
Thank you!!!!