Xodus 2 is still not available in Japan but version one is an absolute bargain at 8800 yen (51 gbp). Ran a 45k race in them last weekend in rain and muddy mountain conditions and couldn’t be happier with the performance. Great review!
The Xodus is such a good shoe, I wear it in training rounds and races up to 50k. Just wish they would bring it out in a wide option and I could wear it for longer races.
Both look like great options. Might have to stick to the Peregrines as I can't find the Xodus Ultra 2s for sale here in NZ. Thanks for another great review
For me, Sacouny Peregrine is the best trail trainer ever. If you want to feel the lumps and bumps, then these are the ones I go to just for a true feel trail run, I still to this day run my trail races in the 11s but I do wear gel insoles just to take some stiffness away. Great channel by the way, love it.
Another great video, thank you kindly. As a trail runner out here in San Diego California, that has the same sickness for running up big mountains, I’ve always felt very confident and good in the Saucony peregrine line, however, despite the lighter weight and more cushioning in the 13, I have found the newly designed rear facing 6 center lugs to be problematic, often times specially on the descent I’m slipping, and then it catches, unlike the previous paragraph that have all arrows in the back, facing back towards your heel, whereas with the 13 they chose for whatever reason to flip around the six main contact, patch heel arrows to face forward like the front of the shoe. I’ve also noticed that the quality durability of the outsole specially the lugs up towards the front of the foot wear down extremely quickly, like 40 to 60 miles and they’re already flat and cracking, which I never experienced in previous versions. I ran the cactus to clouds trail last weekend, about 17,000 feet of elevation gain and 21 miles, and numerous times the Peregrine 13 was slipping on the descents. So I’m goning try the xodus ultra 2 as I see that in this shoe, they maintained their traditional traction out so arrows in the rear, facing rear. I’m planning on running, power hiking up Mount Whitney in California next weekend, so it should be a good test for the xodus two’s. Thank you again for the great videos, I hope life is good over there in the UK. I’ve been over there, beautiful country. I was there at the brand hatch motor park when I was working with The IndyCar motorsport team, and I really enjoyed it over there.
One of my favorite Saucony trail shoes was the Switchback 2. Not sure if it made it to Europe. It was a great shoe that used the BOA lacing system. It was great for technical trails, it didn't have a ton of grip but it worked great here in Colorado. And that BOA system was awesome.
Been running in the Peregrine 11's over the winter and found them to be really connected and confident shoes to run in. However, training for my first Ultra and the Peregrine 11's didn't offer the comfort required for longer runs and gave me a blister due to the more snug fit. So I bought the new Xodus Ultra 2's and been breaking them in with the longest run so far being around 15miles. Completely agree they are more comfortable for longer runs and no blisters so far, but I do miss the amount of connection with the Peregrine's and have struggled a bit with some heal lift on the left foot, but it seems to go away the further I run. Still the Ultra 2's will be doing their first Ultra this weekend starting at Corfe Castle Dorset and will see if I made the right choice. Thanks for the great content its been really helpful.
I never did get on with my Peregrine 10s. (still have them!) and I've just introduced the original Xodus Ultra into my rotation and I'm really liking them. Going to try them with the Inov8 Boomerang insoles next.👍
I've just bought the Xodus Ultra 2 as my first pair of trail running shoes based on your reviews Loyd. Looking forward to giving them a run in the next week or so and I'm hoping they are as comfortable as you have found them as I have my first ever 50k Ultra in July.
I love the Xodus Ultra which I've had for a while now and it's my favorite all-round trail running shoe. Added the Peregrine 13 recently and it's giving the Xodus Ultra a serious run for its money. It's more snug in fit in the upper and lighter for a faster and more nimble feel as well as having slightly better traction than the Xodus Ultra. I plan on adding the Xodus Ultra 2 soon although I still have plenty of miles left in the v1. The XU can feel a little loose in the toe box and it seems this version will be a little more snug, which I'd welcome. Also, it sure does look better. Saucony is killing it with their trail shoes. Not a big fan of their road shoes although they are still pretty good. But, when it comes to trail shoes, Saucony is at the top for me.
I tried both of these and decided on the peregrine 13, the exodus just felt like a lot more shoe on my foot and so I’m surprised the weight is as close as it is - I love the peregrines, almost forget they are there and I too have found them great for my trail running which is fell/muddy and sone rock but not overly technical, great content 👍
Always so good to view your videos, am also just like you, the Xodus Ultra are my fav shoes, and i bought the Peregrine 13, i think the latter performs so well in mud, nothing stops it, i need to choose between the Xodus Ultra 2 and the Skyfire2 for my next Skyrace in Alberta Canada, cant wait for your views on those latter, thanks a million Lloyd ! much much appreciated
Perfectly timed comparison video. Just the other day I did a SxS comparison of the two shoes on paper to determine which I should get next. I think I'm going for the Xodus as my feet are getting wider having Altra Timps and Lone Peaks in my rotation and the Xodus 1 didn't let my little toes wear through the upper until about 400 miles. The last Peregrine's I had didn't last anywhere near as well but I do still love them. Both are the greatest shoe for Dartmoor adventures running or walking. ❤
Xodus Ultra. Have to give it a go. I have been really excited about my pair of Peregrine 12, but I need a pair of shoes for weeks with higher mileage. And need to try out different shoes for 2024 races (particularly the Lavaredo 50 miles the last weekend of June).
Based on your previous recommendation I wore the original xodus ultra for a 60k in the cairngorms. Incredibly difficult terrain, river passes and huge climbs. I never at once felt uncomfortable in the ultras, just an incredible shoe. No hotshots nothing. Thanks for your advice loyd made a big difference to my race
That's great to hear Charlie! 😊Really glad your race went well and you enjoyed the Xodus Ultras. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏 Loyd
Hello from Portugal! Love your reviews... i've just bought a new shoes... the Saucony Xodus ultra 2 are great and i blame you in a very good way for it... thank you so much! Another thing... i love the socks you wear in your videos, can you tell me about the brand? Have you a video about it? Love the channel keep up the very good work.
I had Xodus Ultra v1 but sold on as I just couldn’t get a good lock down on my heel. I’ve now got the v2 but although the heel and midfoot lockdown is much improved, the reduction in toe box and the very warm upper material is an instant fail. Frustratingly, a hybrid of v1 and v2 would be perfection for me. The toe box and upper material of v1 with the midfoot and heel lockdown of v2. I absolutely love the midsole feel and gutted I won’t be able to enjoy it. I’m now looking elsewhere for my marathon/long run trail shoe.
Awesome review, thank you. And I think I may go with the 13, since I have the first Ultra and my runs are in the 8-15 mile range. Plus the added cushion over the 12, which I have, should make a difference as you said in cushioning.
Great filum as always. I just got some Pereguin 12’s from the awesome super helpful Sean at HPT sport Bude and absolutely love them. Saucony are soo comfy and fast planted feeling.
Awesome Alan, really glad you enjoyed the video. Well done for supporting a bricks and mortar running store as well, I'm glad you like the Peregrine 12's 👍😊
Saucony has a very impressive trail shoes lineup. Anyway I'm a little skeptical about outsole (rubber) grip on wet/technical surfaces. How does their proprietary compound compare against the best in class (Vibram Megagrip ?!..) ?.
Saucony Xodus Ultra 2 … My wife, a keen trail runner, has been an avid Saucony supporter for several years … recently, she started using the Xodus Ultra 2 trail shoes. Her first pair of the Ultra 2’s (bought November 2023) outer layer started tearing at about 200kms of use. We sent these in for investigation and Saucony South Africa’s first reaction was that it is her running style that was causing the tears ( she has been running for over 12 years now and used various competitive brands with no issues), however, Saucony ultimately replaced the shoes. These too failed … this time at 170km of use … same issue. So, we sent them back once more. Feedback was, the outer material might be tearing, but the inner membrane should stay intact … 🤷🏼♂️. Well the inner layer also started tearing a week later. We reached out to fellow runners, none of our group members run Saucony so we could not compare … Anyone else experience this? … the tears seem to start at the outer point of the toe crease.
I'm always on the lookout for a comfier ultra distance shoe. I'll likely try the Peregrine 13s (have the 10 & 12s) as I tried the Exodus V1 and found them a poor fit in the heel area and also too voluminous therefore sloshy in the midfoot and toe box.
Hi Loyd, great content as always! Like many others i was looking forward the comparison as my peregrine 10s are starting to get a bit tired... i could have a taste of the 13s in a decathlon store and felt much better than in the 12s even if the bouncy insole is quite surprising if you're not used to. I guess i'll have to pick a pair of xodus to know if the wider toebox would be better for my footshape, or if the higher stack height can cause me more instability. Oh gosh, lost again 😅 Anyway, thanks Loyd for your great job and as always, greetings from Brittany 🙂
Good luck to everyone with upcoming races! Always nice to hear about them. Here’s a question for anyone who happens to know or have experience in this area. I had knee surgery (microfracture) last year and have been told ‘no tarmac’ ever again (boo) but after 8 months building back up on treadmill am going g to head back outside but on trails. 🎉 In my past experience of trails I used very minimal innovates with basically no cushion and maximal ground feel but now I’m wondering if that’s a good idea and am considering these two shoes-probably Xodus. Anyone have an opinion of ground feel versus cushion specifically for knee health? I don’t do ultras-just up to maybe 20k for fun and am a midfoot/forefoot runner and the knee issue is full thickness cartilage tears so I’ll be seeking out the softest ground I can find. Sorry for long message-just sure there’s someone out there who knows!! thanks !
@@Run4Adventure it's too late now to replace them I guess. I already used my shoes once on the trail and only felt tightness in the downhill. But yes, after wearing the Peregrine, my Fujitrabuco pro and Fuji lyte 3 seems like normal shoes. Also, peregrine's ride felt somewhat like the salmon's sense series with more grip.
One Q on Peregrines - are your toes happy with the upper? Mine not. The stiff, plasticy mesh just cuts into them badly. 😢 Not sure will it go away, not going to try. Too bad though with the Xodus in the house I'm not too sad. Just hope P14 gets even better. ...and so should the XU³
I’m also finding the upper on P13 to be much stiffer than earlier. And I have to tie them really hard to get a good lock down. Has turned in to a real problem 😕
Many thanks for this comparison. 👍 I used to run with Merrel or Innov8, and I recently re-discovered Saucony with the Kinvara 14 (definitely designed for road). They are very efficient (light weight?) The Kinvara’s toebox is a bit tight for me, but once the shoes are getting warm, I can gain some few mm which give these shoes a decent comfort. Do you know if we can compare the Kinvara toebox size with the xodus one?
Saucony don’t really fit my foot shape and tend to be too narrow. Ended up getting some Brooks Catamount 2 as my trail show, great lockdown and allows my toes to spread with good ground feel
I got a blowout on my xodus ultra 2 (splitting fabric) which didn't happen with the xodus ultra. Xodus ultra has been a beloved trail shoe so my disappointment is real - otherwise the shoes have been wonderful
Hi, your videos are not only beautiful but also very interesting, I wanted to ask you something, in your opinion can the Peregrine or Exodus be good for a Spartan Race or OCR race? In your opinion, which of the two drains water better in case of complete immersion? ........... and why don't you deal in OCR shoes as well as trail shoes?! would be great. Thank you
Great review as always. I'm looking for a shoe for running in the lakes, like the Lakeland 100 and the Konk 50 mile ultra. How is the grip compered with mega grip.
Hi Loyd , great reviews on your channel , I have peregrine 12 st for muddy days and peregrine 13(purchased after your review )for everything else, I don't know which one from north face vectiv infinite, enduris 2 or hoka torrent 2 to add in my rotation??😮 please your opinion, all of them I can get for the same price. Thanks in advance
Thanks for comparison, must admit I'm still torn! It may be too early to say but how do you feel the upper durability of the Xodus 2 compares to the original? This really let the original down for me as around 500km they split at the flex point. While not insignificant distance I had expected more from a shoe pitched at longer efforts. My trusty Peregrine 11s on the other hand just refuse to die after 1300km+.
I just wish saucony would increase their stack height by a couple mm and use a normal thickness midsole… The thick insoles ruin most of their shoes for me because I use insoles 😢
Fit of xodus is really great, only thing which annoys me is inner toungue cushioning, especially when running descents. Is this improved in 2. version?
Thanks Loyd. How would you place the Blaze when it comes to width in the midfoot? I would love to run in these two but since I have had to return my last three Saucony shoes, Pergrine 11 and 12 and Xodus v1, I sadly don't think they will fit
I'd say there is a little bit more volume at the midfoot on the Blaze TR but it is only slight 🤔 I'd say if you've had to return your last 3 Saucony shoes this probably won't fit either. Hope this helps and thanks for watching 🙏
loved the xodus from last year, just had the xodus 2 delivered and they have change the mesh to stiffer options which it now doesn't fit my foot, any recommendations on shoe for the south downs 100? currently using the wildhorse 8 but want other options.
I loved everything about the Xodus Ultra except the outsole is garbage for durability. Tore off half of 4-5 lugs after a single 10 mile hike in Sedona breaking in my first pair. Only got ~200 miles out of each of my 2 pairs before sections of the outsole were gone when I get ~350+ out of Salomons with Contagrip outsoles. If Saucony put Vibram outsoles on these in the same pattern they would be seriously next level - even if they cost $10-15 more.
@@POW9R No worries 👍 I'd personally never run in a "waterproof" shoe. I find they don't breath as well and if you get water inside the shoes it can't get out!
@@Run4AdventureThat's valuable information to me, appreciate it. If we threw the Xodus 2 back in the mix for harder wet gravel surface, would you still choose it over the Peregrine? I'm on the wider side when it comes to foot width, so would benefit from the spacier toebox that it has.
I have the Xodus V1 and the SG5. The midsole on the Xodus is on another level compared to the basic midsole in the SG. The SG upper is stretchy and has bad lockdown, while also being tight and somewhat uncomfortable. The Xodus has a more roomy fit with good lockdown. I am disappointed in the SG5 (loved the 4s), but absolutely love the Xodus. I’m a Hoka fan, but Saucony did it better in this case.
@@DP-no1ny I haven’t seen a lot of channels cover the Ride 15 TR. maybe because it doesn’t have the fancy attributes as the other expensive shoes. To me, the Ride 15 TR does the job better than all of them. Most of the channels say the same MUTE points..”I don’t run in shoes converted to a TR version” WELL THEIR THE ONES MISSING OUT
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Xodus 2 is still not available in Japan but version one is an absolute bargain at 8800 yen (51 gbp). Ran a 45k race in them last weekend in rain and muddy mountain conditions and couldn’t be happier with the performance. Great review!
In my opinion, the main rival for Peregrine 13 is Sense Ride 5.
I'll be happy if you can share your thoughts about this battle.
Exactly the level of attention to detail, I’m looking for. Great video, thanks!
Thanks Bruce, that's really appreciated. Glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for watching 🙏😊
The Xodus is such a good shoe, I wear it in training rounds and races up to 50k. Just wish they would bring it out in a wide option and I could wear it for longer races.
Both look like great options. Might have to stick to the Peregrines as I can't find the Xodus Ultra 2s for sale here in NZ. Thanks for another great review
For me, Sacouny Peregrine is the best trail trainer ever. If you want to feel the lumps and bumps, then these are the ones I go to just for a true feel trail run, I still to this day run my trail races in the 11s but I do wear gel insoles just to take some stiffness away.
Great channel by the way, love it.
Try the Ride 15 TR
it is the best.... @@mtnrnnr50
Another great video, thank you kindly. As a trail runner out here in San Diego California, that has the same sickness for running up big mountains, I’ve always felt very confident and good in the Saucony peregrine line, however, despite the lighter weight and more cushioning in the 13, I have found the newly designed rear facing 6 center lugs to be problematic, often times specially on the descent I’m slipping, and then it catches, unlike the previous paragraph that have all arrows in the back, facing back towards your heel, whereas with the 13 they chose for whatever reason to flip around the six main contact, patch heel arrows to face forward like the front of the shoe. I’ve also noticed that the quality durability of the outsole specially the lugs up towards the front of the foot wear down extremely quickly, like 40 to 60 miles and they’re already flat and cracking, which I never experienced in previous versions. I ran the cactus to clouds trail last weekend, about 17,000 feet of elevation gain and 21 miles, and numerous times the Peregrine 13 was slipping on the descents. So I’m goning try the xodus ultra 2 as I see that in this shoe, they maintained their traditional traction out so arrows in the rear, facing rear. I’m planning on running, power hiking up Mount Whitney in California next weekend, so it should be a good test for the xodus two’s. Thank you again for the great videos, I hope life is good over there in the UK. I’ve been over there, beautiful country. I was there at the brand hatch motor park when I was working with The IndyCar motorsport team, and I really enjoyed it over there.
One of my favorite Saucony trail shoes was the Switchback 2. Not sure if it made it to Europe. It was a great shoe that used the BOA lacing system. It was great for technical trails, it didn't have a ton of grip but it worked great here in Colorado. And that BOA system was awesome.
Been running in the Peregrine 11's over the winter and found them to be really connected and confident shoes to run in. However, training for my first Ultra and the Peregrine 11's didn't offer the comfort required for longer runs and gave me a blister due to the more snug fit. So I bought the new Xodus Ultra 2's and been breaking them in with the longest run so far being around 15miles. Completely agree they are more comfortable for longer runs and no blisters so far, but I do miss the amount of connection with the Peregrine's and have struggled a bit with some heal lift on the left foot, but it seems to go away the further I run. Still the Ultra 2's will be doing their first Ultra this weekend starting at Corfe Castle Dorset and will see if I made the right choice. Thanks for the great content its been really helpful.
I never did get on with my Peregrine 10s. (still have them!) and I've just introduced the original Xodus Ultra into my rotation and I'm really liking them. Going to try them with the Inov8 Boomerang insoles next.👍
I've just bought the Xodus Ultra 2 as my first pair of trail running shoes based on your reviews Loyd. Looking forward to giving them a run in the next week or so and I'm hoping they are as comfortable as you have found them as I have my first ever 50k Ultra in July.
I love the Xodus Ultra which I've had for a while now and it's my favorite all-round trail running shoe. Added the Peregrine 13 recently and it's giving the Xodus Ultra a serious run for its money. It's more snug in fit in the upper and lighter for a faster and more nimble feel as well as having slightly better traction than the Xodus Ultra. I plan on adding the Xodus Ultra 2 soon although I still have plenty of miles left in the v1. The XU can feel a little loose in the toe box and it seems this version will be a little more snug, which I'd welcome. Also, it sure does look better. Saucony is killing it with their trail shoes. Not a big fan of their road shoes although they are still pretty good. But, when it comes to trail shoes, Saucony is at the top for me.
Just ordered a pair of the exodus ultra 2s for 70 quid. They'll be my first pair of trail shoes, looking forward to trying then out!
Hope you enjoy them and thanks for watching 🙏👍
Totally agree with your review. I have over 425 miles on my Xodus and other than significant loss in tread they still feel and work great.
I tried both of these and decided on the peregrine 13, the exodus just felt like a lot more shoe on my foot and so I’m surprised the weight is as close as it is - I love the peregrines, almost forget they are there and I too have found them great for my trail running which is fell/muddy and sone rock but not overly technical, great content 👍
PWRRUN PB core in Xodus is much lighter and less dense (and more energy return) than full PWRRUN foam in Peregrine.
Always so good to view your videos, am also just like you, the Xodus Ultra are my fav shoes, and i bought the Peregrine 13, i think the latter performs so well in mud, nothing stops it, i need to choose between the Xodus Ultra 2 and the Skyfire2 for my next Skyrace in Alberta Canada, cant wait for your views on those latter, thanks a million Lloyd ! much much appreciated
Perfectly timed comparison video. Just the other day I did a SxS comparison of the two shoes on paper to determine which I should get next. I think I'm going for the Xodus as my feet are getting wider having Altra Timps and Lone Peaks in my rotation and the Xodus 1 didn't let my little toes wear through the upper until about 400 miles. The last Peregrine's I had didn't last anywhere near as well but I do still love them. Both are the greatest shoe for Dartmoor adventures running or walking. ❤
Nice one Loyd I was really looking forward to this and I will definitely be buying the xodus 2 now, top video again!
Thanks Phil, that's really appreciated 🙏😊
Xodus Ultra. Have to give it a go. I have been really excited about my pair of Peregrine 12, but I need a pair of shoes for weeks with higher mileage. And need to try out different shoes for 2024 races (particularly the Lavaredo 50 miles the last weekend of June).
Based on your previous recommendation I wore the original xodus ultra for a 60k in the cairngorms. Incredibly difficult terrain, river passes and huge climbs. I never at once felt uncomfortable in the ultras, just an incredible shoe. No hotshots nothing. Thanks for your advice loyd made a big difference to my race
That's great to hear Charlie! 😊Really glad your race went well and you enjoyed the Xodus Ultras. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏 Loyd
@@Run4Adventure I'd recommend the cairngorms ultra, very challenging!
Hello from Portugal! Love your reviews... i've just bought a new shoes... the Saucony Xodus ultra 2 are great and i blame you in a very good way for it... thank you so much! Another thing... i love the socks you wear in your videos, can you tell me about the brand? Have you a video about it?
Love the channel keep up the very good work.
Love the Harry Hill reference and footage, one of my favourites. 😅
You've got to love a bit of Harry Hill Stu! Hope you and the family are fit and well 👍😊
Peregrine 10s the best. Still have a pair in the box waiting to come out. My Xodus ultra 2 should be arriving any day now.
Excellent, thanks!
No problem Gary, thanks for watching the channel 🙏😊
I had Xodus Ultra v1 but sold on as I just couldn’t get a good lock down on my heel. I’ve now got the v2 but although the heel and midfoot lockdown is much improved, the reduction in toe box and the very warm upper material is an instant fail. Frustratingly, a hybrid of v1 and v2 would be perfection for me. The toe box and upper material of v1 with the midfoot and heel lockdown of v2. I absolutely love the midsole feel and gutted I won’t be able to enjoy it. I’m now looking elsewhere for my marathon/long run trail shoe.
Awesome review, thank you. And I think I may go with the 13, since I have the first Ultra and my runs are in the 8-15 mile range. Plus the added cushion over the 12, which I have, should make a difference as you said in cushioning.
Nice one thx 😊 when i destroy my perigrin 11 i shall buy the 13.. now im just running in the exodus and the 12 and loving it❤
Great filum as always.
I just got some Pereguin 12’s from the awesome super helpful Sean at HPT sport Bude and absolutely love them.
Saucony are soo comfy and fast planted feeling.
Awesome Alan, really glad you enjoyed the video. Well done for supporting a bricks and mortar running store as well, I'm glad you like the Peregrine 12's 👍😊
Thanks love Saucony I have 2 pairs of peregrine 12 and 1 11s
Saucony has a very impressive trail shoes lineup. Anyway I'm a little skeptical about outsole (rubber) grip on wet/technical surfaces. How does their proprietary compound compare against the best in class (Vibram Megagrip ?!..) ?.
Saucony Xodus Ultra 2 …
My wife, a keen trail runner, has been an avid Saucony supporter for several years … recently, she started using the Xodus Ultra 2 trail shoes.
Her first pair of the Ultra 2’s (bought November 2023) outer layer started tearing at about 200kms of use. We sent these in for investigation and Saucony South Africa’s first reaction was that it is her running style that was causing the tears ( she has been running for over 12 years now and used various competitive brands with no issues), however, Saucony ultimately replaced the shoes. These too failed … this time at 170km of use … same issue. So, we sent them back once more. Feedback was, the outer material might be tearing, but the inner membrane should stay intact … 🤷🏼♂️. Well the inner layer also started tearing a week later. We reached out to fellow runners, none of our group members run Saucony so we could not compare … Anyone else experience this? … the tears seem to start at the outer point of the toe crease.
I'm always on the lookout for a comfier ultra distance shoe. I'll likely try the Peregrine 13s (have the 10 & 12s) as I tried the Exodus V1 and found them a poor fit in the heel area and also too voluminous therefore sloshy in the midfoot and toe box.
Hi Loyd, great content as always! Like many others i was looking forward the comparison as my peregrine 10s are starting to get a bit tired... i could have a taste of the 13s in a decathlon store and felt much better than in the 12s even if the bouncy insole is quite surprising if you're not used to. I guess i'll have to pick a pair of xodus to know if the wider toebox would be better for my footshape, or if the higher stack height can cause me more instability. Oh gosh, lost again 😅
Anyway, thanks Loyd for your great job and as always, greetings from Brittany 🙂
Good luck to everyone with upcoming races! Always nice to hear about them.
Here’s a question for anyone who happens to know or have experience in this area.
I had knee surgery (microfracture) last year and have been told ‘no tarmac’ ever again (boo) but after 8 months building back up on treadmill am going g to head back outside but on trails. 🎉
In my past experience of trails I used very minimal innovates with basically no cushion and maximal ground feel but now I’m wondering if that’s a good idea and am considering these two shoes-probably Xodus. Anyone have an opinion of ground feel versus cushion specifically for knee health? I don’t do ultras-just up to maybe 20k for fun and am a midfoot/forefoot runner and the knee issue is full thickness cartilage tears so I’ll be seeking out the softest ground I can find.
Sorry for long message-just sure there’s someone out there who knows!!
thanks !
You ruined my life Lloyd. I can’t buy shoes if you haven’t done a review on them. 😅
Keep on keeping on. 👌👌👌😁
I bought peregrine 13 GTX and i think you should order .5 size larger as it has a thick insole and it will trouble you in steep downhill otherwise.
The GTX shoes always tend to size a bit smaller because they have an internal membrane to make the upper waterproof 👍
@@Run4Adventure it's too late now to replace them I guess. I already used my shoes once on the trail and only felt tightness in the downhill.
But yes, after wearing the Peregrine, my Fujitrabuco pro and Fuji lyte 3 seems like normal shoes. Also, peregrine's ride felt somewhat like the salmon's sense series with more grip.
I have the Xodus and Peg 13 ST and they are so perfect for my training and race needs. I hope that future ‘upgrades/changes’ don’t spoil them!
Great review. I own both of these shoes and favor the Xodus. Do you know if there’s a Saucony road shoe equivalent to the Xodus Ultra?
Good afternoon. Interesting comparison. I am a light runner (65kgs) i like Saucony peregrine 13. Like to Loyd. A nice day for everyone. 🏔️🏃🌞
One Q on Peregrines - are your toes happy with the upper?
Mine not. The stiff, plasticy mesh just cuts into them badly. 😢
Not sure will it go away, not going to try. Too bad though with the Xodus in the house I'm not too sad.
Just hope P14 gets even better. ...and so should the XU³
I haven't had any issues with the upper at all Yal, I find it really comfortable and it fits my foot really well 🤔
I’m also finding the upper on P13 to be much stiffer than earlier. And I have to tie them really hard to get a good lock down. Has turned in to a real problem 😕
Many thanks for this comparison. 👍
I used to run with Merrel or Innov8, and I recently re-discovered Saucony with the Kinvara 14 (definitely designed for road). They are very efficient (light weight?)
The Kinvara’s toebox is a bit tight for me, but once the shoes are getting warm, I can gain some few mm which give these shoes a decent comfort.
Do you know if we can compare the Kinvara toebox size with the xodus one?
Saucony don’t really fit my foot shape and tend to be too narrow. Ended up getting some Brooks Catamount 2 as my trail show, great lockdown and allows my toes to spread with good ground feel
i am currently running in the saucony exodus ultra first edition which i think are great and keen to grab a pair of the ultra 2s
You can get the first editions for around 100$
@@bikerdude6119 yes i have a pair at the moment but will try the 2nd edition once these wear
I got a blowout on my xodus ultra 2 (splitting fabric) which didn't happen with the xodus ultra.
Xodus ultra has been a beloved trail shoe so my disappointment is real - otherwise the shoes have been wonderful
Hi, your videos are not only beautiful but also very interesting, I wanted to ask you something, in your opinion can the Peregrine or Exodus be good for a Spartan Race or OCR race? In your opinion, which of the two drains water better in case of complete immersion? ........... and why don't you deal in OCR shoes as well as trail shoes?! would be great. Thank you
Great review as always. I'm looking for a shoe for running in the lakes, like the Lakeland 100 and the Konk 50 mile ultra. How is the grip compered with mega grip.
I've always found the grip good on most things but I would say that Vibram megagrip is slightly better on wet rock but only slightly Mike 👍
Hi Loyd , great reviews on your channel , I have peregrine 12 st for muddy days and peregrine 13(purchased after your review )for everything else, I don't know which one from north face vectiv infinite, enduris 2 or hoka torrent 2 to add in my rotation??😮 please your opinion, all of them I can get for the same price. Thanks in advance
Thanks for comparison, must admit I'm still torn! It may be too early to say but how do you feel the upper durability of the Xodus 2 compares to the original? This really let the original down for me as around 500km they split at the flex point. While not insignificant distance I had expected more from a shoe pitched at longer efforts. My trusty Peregrine 11s on the other hand just refuse to die after 1300km+.
I just wish saucony would increase their stack height by a couple mm and use a normal thickness midsole… The thick insoles ruin most of their shoes for me because I use insoles 😢
Fit of xodus is really great, only thing which annoys me is inner toungue cushioning, especially when running descents. Is this improved in 2. version?
Thanks Loyd. How would you place the Blaze when it comes to width in the midfoot? I would love to run in these two but since I have had to return my last three Saucony shoes, Pergrine 11 and 12 and Xodus v1, I sadly don't think they will fit
I'd say there is a little bit more volume at the midfoot on the Blaze TR but it is only slight 🤔
I'd say if you've had to return your last 3 Saucony shoes this probably won't fit either. Hope this helps and thanks for watching 🙏
@@Run4Adventure very much appreciated Loyd.TY
loved the xodus from last year, just had the xodus 2 delivered and they have change the mesh to stiffer options which it now doesn't fit my foot, any recommendations on shoe for the south downs 100? currently using the wildhorse 8 but want other options.
What’s the purpose of the massive yellow groove in the heel of the Peregrines? Surely that will just clog with mud.
I currently run in Speedgoat Evos's and wondering about changing to the Xodus 2, How does the Xodus compare to the Evo's?
I loved everything about the Xodus Ultra except the outsole is garbage for durability. Tore off half of 4-5 lugs after a single 10 mile hike in Sedona breaking in my first pair. Only got ~200 miles out of each of my 2 pairs before sections of the outsole were gone when I get ~350+ out of Salomons with Contagrip outsoles. If Saucony put Vibram outsoles on these in the same pattern they would be seriously next level - even if they cost $10-15 more.
I have the Xodus , tremendous
It's a great shoe Andrew, glad you're enjoying yours 👍
Thanks for watching 🙏
Hi Loyd, do you know if any of these shoes have a rock plate?
They both have a great flexible rock plate 👍
o i just bought the peregrine and love them and the ultra dont come in wide fit
I'm gkad you like your Peregrines! I know the Xodus Ultra doesn't come in a width fit 👍
What would work better for wet but hard gravel and cobblestones?
Peregrine 13 GTX vs Ride 15 TR GTX?
I would always choose the trail shoe over a road shoe that's had a different outsole put on it 👍
The Peregrine 13 would be my chose, hope this helps 🙏
@@Run4Adventure thanks for the opinion! Would you say the GTX models are worth the trade off in performance?
@@POW9R No worries 👍 I'd personally never run in a "waterproof" shoe. I find they don't breath as well and if you get water inside the shoes it can't get out!
@@Run4AdventureThat's valuable information to me, appreciate it.
If we threw the Xodus 2 back in the mix for harder wet gravel surface, would you still choose it over the Peregrine?
I'm on the wider side when it comes to foot width, so would benefit from the spacier toebox that it has.
How does the Xodus fit compered with the Endorphin speed?
The fit is quite similar Mike between the two shoes 👍
Hope this helps and thanks for watching the channel 🙏
Exodus 2 vs speedgoat 5?
I have the Xodus V1 and the SG5. The midsole on the Xodus is on another level compared to the basic midsole in the SG. The SG upper is stretchy and has bad lockdown, while also being tight and somewhat uncomfortable. The Xodus has a more roomy fit with good lockdown. I am disappointed in the SG5 (loved the 4s), but absolutely love the Xodus. I’m a Hoka fan, but Saucony did it better in this case.
I personally prefer the Xodus Ultra 2 and I'd also agree with what Scott said below. Hope this helps Michael and thanks for watching 🙏😊
they slide on a wet road, and turns and in mud... be careful peregrine 13
Neither shoe even compares to the Ride 15 TR
@@DP-no1ny I haven’t seen a lot of channels cover the Ride 15 TR. maybe because it doesn’t have the fancy attributes as the other expensive shoes. To me, the Ride 15 TR does the job better than all of them. Most of the channels say the same MUTE points..”I don’t run in shoes converted to a TR version” WELL THEIR THE ONES MISSING OUT
@@DP-no1ny Are the Ride 15 TR true to size please?
Too much yelling in the video
Yelling? 🤔