th-cam.com/play/PLaBYW76inbX4jqNGixaoL1xQ_pMwNGIXG.html - Check out the other great videos in this Project Ukraine playlist and donate to the cause if you can!
I love this entire Project and your contribution! Regarding Piłsudski's intentions - they were definitely genuine but, while being the provisional head of state and the commander in chief, he wasn't a dictator at this point and most Polish politicians didn't share his vision of a Federation with Ukraine, Belarus and other states (especially the influential National Democrats). Piłsudski was not at all happy with the Treaty of Riga. On the 15th of May 1921 he personally visited Ukrainian soldiers held in internment camp in Kalisz, saying to them "I'm sorry gentlemen, I'm terribly sorry, it wasn't supposed to be like this (Ja was przepraszam Panowie, ja was bardzo przepraszam, tak nie miało być)."
Thank you so much for this video in particular! I hated this period in school - so difficult and confusing that I couldn't understand what was happening there. Thank you so much - even though it's still hard to witness this period in our history, it is still important and thanks to you, more understandable.
Very interesting video! So complex! Glad to be part of this collaboration. It would be really helpful to add a small box with chronologies maybe. Very interesting and well-produced video nonetheless regarding the chaos that ensued the collapse of the Russian Empire!
Great job Just a small correction Bolsheviks captured Kyiv AFTER Brest-Litovsk treaty was signed. There was indeed a January Uprising in Kyiv inspired by Bolsheviks - but it was unsuccessful and suppressed by Ukrainian army. At the same time small troops of young cadets and students held off Bolshevik invasion in the battle of Kruty and delayed it. This delay gave time for Ukrainian diplomats to sign the treaty of Brest-Litovsk and to save the country. Kyiv indeed was captured by Bolsheviks the several days after the treaty of Brest-Litovsk, but it was obvious that with German and Austrian help Bolsheviks would have to withdraw their forces from Ukraine. There was also lesser known in the West Kholodny Yar Republic in Central Ukraine that resisted the Soviets until 1922.
This completely leaves out the Black army faction which fought both the Whites and Reds. They were a crucial player in the conflict and to this day influences existing organizations such as Revdia and BOAK currently fighting the Russian invasion.
11:50 may I ask by whom those are these suggestions made? At that time, there were two concepts of thinking about the future in Poland - the nation state, focusing on lands inhabited mainly by Poles, and the federal concept, which was supposed to create several states in Eastern Europe united by a political and military alliance against Russia. Piłsudski was the father figure and the most vocal advocate of the secound concept. The Poles didn't have to go to Kyiv and fight together with Petliura's Ukrainians against the Soviets for a free Ukraine. But Piłsudski did believe in his vision, and despite the great risk of extending the limited Polish forces and the criticism from some of the Polish authorities in Warsaw (understandable due to how the WUPR brutally fought the Polish population in 1919), he launched a great offensive in which risked the fate of the Polish state to create a friendly Ukraine, Petliura. Unfortunately, the Ukrainians did not support the new government, it was not possible to create the forces required by the alliance agreement to defend Kiev and Ukraine as far as the Dnieper, and the subsequent Soviet counter-offensive exhausted Poland so much that it could no longer bring itself to armed return to Ukraine and re-creation of a democratic country. So Piłsudski not only came to an understanding with the Ukrainians, not only helped them militarily, not only risked the existence of his own country for Ukraine, but when everything collapsed, he was the only one who came to the Ukrainian authorities in Poland and apologized to them for such a turn of events. Recognizing that he wanted to use Ukrainians only as a tool to win the war is offensive and inconsistent with the historical truth. Piłsudski definitely wanted to create an independent Ukraine in alliance with Poland.
Thank you, Knowledgia, for telling the world the history of my people’s struggle for independence. We are sorry to be the part of Fin war and occupation of the Eastern Europe in WW2. Expansion is not the part of our mentality and our participation was the result of loosing freedom being absorbed by the empire of Evil. Don’t let Ukraine to fall and reinforce the Mordor again. Most of all I'm afraid of my kids being the cannon puddle in these nonsense imperial wars thus joining the territorial defense forces.
th-cam.com/play/PLaBYW76inbX4jqNGixaoL1xQ_pMwNGIXG.html - Check out the other great videos in this Project Ukraine playlist and donate to the cause if you can!
I love this entire Project and your contribution!
Regarding Piłsudski's intentions - they were definitely genuine but, while being the provisional head of state and the commander in chief, he wasn't a dictator at this point and most Polish politicians didn't share his vision of a Federation with Ukraine, Belarus and other states (especially the influential National Democrats). Piłsudski was not at all happy with the Treaty of Riga. On the 15th of May 1921 he personally visited Ukrainian soldiers held in internment camp in Kalisz, saying to them "I'm sorry gentlemen, I'm terribly sorry, it wasn't supposed to be like this (Ja was przepraszam Panowie, ja was bardzo przepraszam, tak nie miało być)."
Thank you so much for this video in particular! I hated this period in school - so difficult and confusing that I couldn't understand what was happening there. Thank you so much - even though it's still hard to witness this period in our history, it is still important and thanks to you, more understandable.
Very interesting video! So complex! Glad to be part of this collaboration. It would be really helpful to add a small box with chronologies maybe. Very interesting and well-produced video nonetheless regarding the chaos that ensued the collapse of the Russian Empire!
Loved working with you and I really hope the maps helped
ayoooooo so proud you got to be part of the project with so many great and huge TH-camrs! Hopefully you’ll be reaching new heights bro
Great job
Just a small correction
Bolsheviks captured Kyiv AFTER Brest-Litovsk treaty was signed. There was indeed a January Uprising in Kyiv inspired by Bolsheviks - but it was unsuccessful and suppressed by Ukrainian army. At the same time small troops of young cadets and students held off Bolshevik invasion in the battle of Kruty and delayed it. This delay gave time for Ukrainian diplomats to sign the treaty of Brest-Litovsk and to save the country. Kyiv indeed was captured by Bolsheviks the several days after the treaty of Brest-Litovsk, but it was obvious that with German and Austrian help Bolsheviks would have to withdraw their forces from Ukraine.
There was also lesser known in the West Kholodny Yar Republic in Central Ukraine that resisted the Soviets until 1922.
Kudos for everyone who participated today!
This completely leaves out the Black army faction which fought both the Whites and Reds. They were a crucial player in the conflict and to this day influences existing organizations such as Revdia and BOAK currently fighting the Russian invasion.
Слава Україні героям слава love to our brothers 🇺🇦 from 🇱🇹 we have too sad difficult history 😢
Nu ne visai panaši bet visai bendra
Still NAZIS to this day
Dnipro, Kharkiv, Odesa
11:50 may I ask by whom those are these suggestions made?
At that time, there were two concepts of thinking about the future in Poland - the nation state, focusing on lands inhabited mainly by Poles, and the federal concept, which was supposed to create several states in Eastern Europe united by a political and military alliance against Russia.
Piłsudski was the father figure and the most vocal advocate of the secound concept. The Poles didn't have to go to Kyiv and fight together with Petliura's Ukrainians against the Soviets for a free Ukraine. But Piłsudski did believe in his vision, and despite the great risk of extending the limited Polish forces and the criticism from some of the Polish authorities in Warsaw (understandable due to how the WUPR brutally fought the Polish population in 1919), he launched a great offensive in which risked the fate of the Polish state to create a friendly Ukraine, Petliura. Unfortunately, the Ukrainians did not support the new government, it was not possible to create the forces required by the alliance agreement to defend Kiev and Ukraine as far as the Dnieper, and the subsequent Soviet counter-offensive exhausted Poland so much that it could no longer bring itself to armed return to Ukraine and re-creation of a democratic country.
So Piłsudski not only came to an understanding with the Ukrainians, not only helped them militarily, not only risked the existence of his own country for Ukraine, but when everything collapsed, he was the only one who came to the Ukrainian authorities in Poland and apologized to them for such a turn of events. Recognizing that he wanted to use Ukrainians only as a tool to win the war is offensive and inconsistent with the historical truth. Piłsudski definitely wanted to create an independent Ukraine in alliance with Poland.
Well done!
great video man, glad to see you back!
13:14 "Second battle for Warsaw?" And when was the first?
10:09 Did you mean Dnister?
Well made mate
Still Ongoing
Thank you, Knowledgia, for telling the world the history of my people’s struggle for independence. We are sorry to be the part of Fin war and occupation of the Eastern Europe in WW2. Expansion is not the part of our mentality and our participation was the result of loosing freedom being absorbed by the empire of Evil. Don’t let Ukraine to fall and reinforce the Mordor again.
Most of all I'm afraid of my kids being the cannon puddle in these nonsense imperial wars thus joining the territorial defense forces.
That's completely insane. Ukrainians mostly fought on Red side against Hitler and your modern nationalists idolize the Nazis.
13:04 and 14:38 - people in the photo are Polish soldiers from the period of the Battle of Warsaw
11:35 "support an independent Ukraine to weaken Russia". Nothing has changed. Proxy war cannon fodder.
Germabs fighting Russians. Same old story.