I have great respect for Shefali Vaidya who I have been following for the last few years . My introduction to Portuguese inquisition in Goa was through her research . Christian barbarism is well documented in Goan history .
Tambdi Surla temple was discovered by my grandfather , Anant Ramkrishna Shenvi Dhume when he was a young man of 23 years..the forests had swallowed this temple and thus was saved from the Portuguese.
I too am a Goan by origin. I think my ancestral deity is the same as Shefali's - one or all three of the Sancoale Trinity (Laxminarcinva, Shantadurga and Vijayadurga). # I am Hindu by birth, Hindu by belief AND Hindu by diet. Pain and rage can cloud our mind and make us blind to the beauty around us. I am lucky I escaped that fate. The main reason is that I delved deep into Goan music - both both Hindu and Christian, devotional and non-devotional. God bless
I would like to share my spiritual experience here. I was born in Goa (My mom Goan ) and bought up in different parts of Karnataka(My dad udipite ,ex. Govt. Employee). I visited my maternal ancestor house every year. One month Dasaara holidays and two months summer holidays. Never a spiritual boy. After college and work experience of 5 uears in Mangalore shifted to Goa for work. I belong to Mahalsa devi mardol family diety. Had no idea about original temple in verna. I worked in maruti Suzuki showroom at verna. Accidently visited the Verna mahalsa temple. In 2005 it was in small hut temple. Some how I kept visiting this temple. Learnt from temple priest that this was oroginal mahalsa temple. Started visiting with my sister who also happened to work at verna. Everyrime we go there we feel like we are at home. Seen this temple built now. Thanks to community there without any politics we have got back the land.
Hindus have been suffering now for centuries, its has now become a common practice of Abrahamic religions to kill,Rape, & proselytize us, like its their god-given duty, and we Hindus got used to it.....But the thing has to come to an End, and i can see the beginning of that end, in next couple of decades.
When the Portuguese broke the temples can it be called Hindu temples? Fr. Victor Ferrao in his research paper said that the temples which were broken were not Hindu temples as Hinduism is understood in today’s context. “It important to assert that we have not come from Hinduism of today, but the then fragmented cults that today have been steadily assimilated into Hinduism of today,” Ferrao said, quoting noted historian Romila Thapar to back his treatise. “Though the temples that were demolished were not Hindu, but one(s) that belonged to different cults that have united into Hinduism of today the Hindu community is certainly carrying the pain of this false impression,” the paper reads.[43] Some of the Brahmins still remained in the old conquests and new Conquests where Catholics were dominant. That is because they made themselves distinct from other Hindus and enjoyed the privileges of the Portuguese Government. Therefore will it be right to say that the Portuguese tried to destroy the Hindu religion? Probably they did not know the difference between the Vedic religions and the other religions. Thus when the new converts were falling back to their old practices meant the cult practices other than just poojas, aartis and bhajans. Since the Portuguese did not know the difference, they just went clubbing every ritual practice as Hindu.
@@ramdevchouhan2081 All the historians were Europeans/missionaries. I don’t think their feelings r worth anything in a historical account in this context. Just facts can b accepted here, if that.
I was in Goa for 3 months but never visited bloody st Xavier church. Infact the energy around these churches is so dark and negative that you don't feel like going in unless u r drunk. A museum should be built in Goa and show true history of Goa along with resistance of hindu Goans. Thanks Shifali ji for ur work. Jai Hind
Very true, there should be Goa files too. Been a Goan I know how this is true and my ancestors have also suffered and lost their home and belonging and had to hide and live in the forests in interiors of Goa 4-5 centuries ago.
if Shefali wants she can personally tell Modi or some minister about this and ask them for Portugal to apologise or the Pope to apologise.. she meets the big people, politicians etc. What is she waiting for? And why just make videos and earn limelight and few bucks on it.
@@ramdevchouhan2081 you make videos and earn limelight too. What's wrong with that? Why everyone should go to Modi for every damn thing? If someone will make a movie on it people may or may not watch it, counter her on facts not by making stupid allegations.
FRANCIS XAVIER RESPONSIBLE FOR THE INQUISITION? Let me first begin with our beloved St. Francis Xavier whom the Goans whether Catholic or Non Catholic alike in Goa (even Hindus) revere with such honor and call him Goycho Saib (Patron of Goa). It is true that St. Francis Xavier suggested that the inquisition be established in his letter to King John III dated 16 May 1546.[19] However it is interesting his letters were not published else where in the books so famously known for his letters but only appears in the writings of Silva Rego’s Documentação para a história das Missões do Padroado Português do Oriente: Índia, Lisboa, 1947-1958 .  “The second necessity for the Christians is that your majesty establish the Holy Inquisition, because there are many who live according to the Jewish law, and according to the Mahomedan sect, without any fear of God or shame of the world. And since there are many who are spread all over the fortresses, there is the need of the Holy Inquisition and of many preachers. Your majesty should provide such necessary things for your loyal and faithful subjects in India.” III.1.1. Evaluating the letter. First of all he mentions that the newly converts were living among the Jews and the Mohammedans and they were falling back to these religious laws to which they formerly belonged. He does not mention idolators, or Hindus or Pagans or Heathen practices. Secondly, no letter of his ever mentions the need of inquisition in Goa prior to 16 May 1546 nor after that. He wrote aletter to King John III on 20 January 1545 from Kochin, India but no mention of Inquisition. Yet another letter from Kochin on 20th January 1548 to King John III does not mention the inquisition. Another letter to king John III from Kochin on 28 January 1549. One more letter to King John III from Malacca in 1549. Yet another letter to King John III from Malacca on 23 June 1549. Letter from Goa to King John III on 10 April 1552. In all these letters there have never been any mention of the inquisition and in fact he never mentioned inquisition in letters written from mainland India (Kochin and Goa). He wrote only one letter from Amboyna and mostly he visited Amboyna only once. Whereas he visited Kochin several times and was often in Goa. There are more than one letter from Goa and Kochin. None of them mention the need of Inquisition[20]. The letter in which this mention is recorded was in fact written from Aboyna, Malacaus. And he refered to it as India.[21] So what is this place? Amboyna Malacaus is modern day Ambona Island of the Maluku Island districts of Indonesia. Undeniably the presence of the Jews and Muslims there was the most populous. As Goa was considered to be the capital of the Portuguese colonies of the East and every place they discovered was considered to be India, hence the modern name Indo-nesia. Its colonial name was “Indian Islands.”[22] Therefore there is raised a question and doubt, did St. Francis Xavier suggest Inquisition in India as such in particular Goa? Or did he mean specifically Amboyna Malacaus and not any other territory? In his previous and later letters as well he had specifically mentioned Goa…why did he not mention it in this letter?
Yes Portugal wanted to make Goans like the Portuguese. Yes they were religious fanatics. I am Portuguese, I am not religious, let’s heal. Portugal and India got connected 525 years ago and this gave rise to a mixed culture in many places in India. Let’s celebrate the good things, the global world, one people! Goa is a paradise
I get your sentiments. The belief system is important. The problem is monotheism is both irrational and illogical. My opinion is agnostic, but I am definitely Hindu. Religion is unhealthy for the society as a whole. If a single God made the world, why there is so much strife in the world? The monotheist answer is that God works mysteriously. I have a better answer: the one God is a nut. That is why, I find polytheism rational and acceptable, though I do not subscribe to it. A polytheist can say that there are many gods and each god pushes his/her own interest. A trife-torn world is inevitable. A plurality in the belief system is essential for the progress of the world. My interest is in working towards truth. As a pluralist, I say work towards truth, as unlike the monotheists, I do not have truth handed over to me.
I must thanks and appreciate the quality of discussion that kushal brings in this platform...but the issue is when i want share the video to my family and friends most of them prefer the mother tongue which is telugu . What i would ask kushal sir is create a franchise of the carvaka podcast in recognised languages so that it reaches to pan india...or work on the subtitles so that it reaches all over bharat... Sometimes i feel south india is leftout because of language barrier...
Good idea. Please continue to contribute to the podcast with time or material. Maybe volunteer to help with the Telugu translation, sponsor the podcast or just spread the word. Whatever we can all do.
South India is our pride and I say this as a North Indian. Must never feel left out. Guess having it dubbed in Telgu, Tamil, Malyalam would be kind of expensive. But if this content has that kind of reach, should be worth it.
Our ancestors left everything in Goa only they kept religion, God's, our culture took their lives in hand we came to coastal region of Karnataka that gives shelter, land to build temples .We paid gratitude to Rani ChennaBhairadevi,Rani Abbakka, Sonda Nayaks🙏🙏🙏
if Shefali wants she can personally tell Modi or some minister about this and ask them for Portugal to apologise or the Pope to apologise.. she meets the big people, politicians etc. What is she waiting for? And why just make videos and earn limelight and few bucks on it.
Certain facts here are exaggerated by shefali to cause a divide in peaceful communities of Goa. No records in archieves or central library about temples being broken by poetuguese.. if such torture was created onlt on hindus how come hindus formed majority during portuguese rule and even now. In that case hindus would be in minority number... all hindu passport holders abroad should revert back to their original nationality return and take assistance from Shefali. All these issues to magnify now instead of moving forward & progressive is work of an excellent govt & organization to just divide minority and majority masses & vote bank politics.
Thank you Shefaliji for explaining the context.Who should goan hindus blame? Didn't Krishnadevaraya choose Portugese over his hindu inhabitants and also send Timoji to get locals allow Portugese colony.When saraswats transfered the deities during temple destruction,did any hindu kings come for help?If not, who helped us in reality?
Great work madam, you said the right thing in primary school level there is no mention of in quisisation, and teachers paid great tributes to St. Francis xavier. Also as you know we have 3rd December public holiday what a shameless thing
One guy who came from Spain did his work of conversion 💯 is now prayed by people of Goa. May be people of goa holding feast because he did his job and set example that how determined you should to do your assigned task. Yes we can learn this thing from Francis xaviee
shefali posted a tweet last year. She grows custard apples, potatoes, tomatoes, chilli, perus, beans all brought by portugurse n dutch to India. Recently was her birthday, she posted a tweet having Aam ras of alphonso mangoes lol. Named after alphonso albuquere. All this hate is only for stiring communal disharmony.
My ancestors, the GSB, were also from Goa who had fled to Karnataka during Goan inquisition time and settled in the coastal part of Karnataka. I have never heard such detailed level of the inquisition as presented by Shefali Vaidya and really thankfull to you mam for that. I have shared this video with all my relatives and friends so that they enlighten their children and friends about the true events that happened during cruel part of history of Goa. This has never been made public before and am sure majority of the Goans are aware of this. Thanks a lot again for making this podcast 👍
I WILL ALWAYS BE THANKFUL FOR THE " EPIC " CHANNEL THAT INTRODUCED ME TO SUCH A TRULY BEAUTIFUL SCHOLAR OF SO MANY DIMENSIONS AS SHEFALI VAIDYA, AMONGST OTHERS ! ' EPIC ' REALLY OPENED MY EYES TO SO MANY VERY OBVIOUS YET HITHERTO UNKNOWN THINGS REGARDING THE TRUE HISTORY OF INDIANS! 🙏🙏🙏
Never have been a fan of Shefali nor her twitter opinions but it is very good to hear the truth about goa from her . Thank you for the discussion , Kushal .
I have been following Shefali since so long on twitter.. This podcast made me learn so much about Goa’s history..I had no idea about this at all.. Thank you for this podcast.. learnt a lot and it’s a brilliant presentation Shefali..
FRANCIS XAVIER RESPONSIBLE FOR THE INQUISITION? Let me first begin with our beloved St. Francis Xavier whom the Goans whether Catholic or Non Catholic alike in Goa (even Hindus) revere with such honor and call him Goycho Saib (Patron of Goa). It is true that St. Francis Xavier suggested that the inquisition be established in his letter to King John III dated 16 May 1546.[19] However it is interesting his letters were not published else where in the books so famously known for his letters but only appears in the writings of Silva Rego’s Documentação para a história das Missões do Padroado Português do Oriente: Índia, Lisboa, 1947-1958 .  “The second necessity for the Christians is that your majesty establish the Holy Inquisition, because there are many who live according to the Jewish law, and according to the Mahomedan sect, without any fear of God or shame of the world. And since there are many who are spread all over the fortresses, there is the need of the Holy Inquisition and of many preachers. Your majesty should provide such necessary things for your loyal and faithful subjects in India.” III.1.1. Evaluating the letter. First of all he mentions that the newly converts were living among the Jews and the Mohammedans and they were falling back to these religious laws to which they formerly belonged. He does not mention idolators, or Hindus or Pagans or Heathen practices. Secondly, no letter of his ever mentions the need of inquisition in Goa prior to 16 May 1546 nor after that. He wrote aletter to King John III on 20 January 1545 from Kochin, India but no mention of Inquisition. Yet another letter from Kochin on 20th January 1548 to King John III does not mention the inquisition. Another letter to king John III from Kochin on 28 January 1549. One more letter to King John III from Malacca in 1549. Yet another letter to King John III from Malacca on 23 June 1549. Letter from Goa to King John III on 10 April 1552. In all these letters there have never been any mention of the inquisition and in fact he never mentioned inquisition in letters written from mainland India (Kochin and Goa). He wrote only one letter from Amboyna and mostly he visited Amboyna only once. Whereas he visited Kochin several times and was often in Goa. There are more than one letter from Goa and Kochin. None of them mention the need of Inquisition[20]. The letter in which this mention is recorded was in fact written from Aboyna, Malacaus. And he refered to it as India.[21] So what is this place? Amboyna Malacaus is modern day Ambona Island of the Maluku Island districts of Indonesia. Undeniably the presence of the Jews and Muslims there was the most populous. As Goa was considered to be the capital of the Portuguese colonies of the East and every place they discovered was considered to be India, hence the modern name Indo-nesia. Its colonial name was “Indian Islands.”[22] Therefore there is raised a question and doubt, did St. Francis Xavier suggest Inquisition in India as such in particular Goa? Or did he mean specifically Amboyna Malacaus and not any other territory? In his previous and later letters as well he had specifically mentioned Goa…why did he not mention it in this letter?
Where ever the Spaniards, Portugals and Britishers went they destroyed that lands culture. Be it the americas or the africas . Some how India is staggering to hold on to its culture after 1000 years of brutal conquests from outside.
shefali posted a tweet last year. She grows custard apples, potatoes, tomatoes, chilli, perus, beans all brought by portugurse n dutch to India. Recently was her birthday, she posted a tweet having Aam ras of alphonso mangoes lol. Named after alphonso albuquere. All this hate is only for stiring communal disharmony.
When the Portuguese broke the temples can it be all called Hindu temples? Fr. Victor Ferrao in his research paper said that the temples which were broken were not Hindu temples as Hinduism is understood in today’s context. “It important to assert that we have not come from Hinduism of today, but the then fragmented cults that today have been steadily assimilated into Hinduism of today,” Ferrao said, quoting noted historian Romila Thapar to back his treatise. “Though the temples that were demolished were not Hindu, but one(s) that belonged to different cults that have united into Hinduism of today the Hindu community is certainly carrying the pain of this false impression,” the paper reads.[43] Some of the Brahmins still remained in the old conquests and new Conquests where Catholics were dominant. That is because they made themselves distinct from other Hindus and enjoyed the privileges of the Portuguese Government. Therefore will it be right to say that the Portuguese tried to destroy the Hindu religion? Probably they did not know the difference between the Vedic religions and the other religions. Thus when the new converts were falling back to their old practices meant the cult practices other than just poojas, aartis and bhajans. Since the Portuguese did not know the difference, they just went clubbing every ritual practice as Hindu.
@@ramdevchouhan2081 where is the hate here? Can't we talk about history? Trading and conquest are 2 different things. The exchange of spices and knowledge have been since millennia east india company came due to this remember? When American, Australian can accept that they committed mass genocides of their natives in conquest, when Japan can accept the genocides on China. Why can't we? Are you afraid of the truth? Do you think people will start killing?
Some spread the news that he destroyed the culture but the letters prove that he actually learned the native languages, roamed with native people and ate their food. What about his clothings? Well he could not do anything about it because as a Priest it is demanded of every priest that they remain in their Cassock all the time. Certain liberties were rewarded only after the second Vatican Council (1962-1965). The inquisition was meant for wiping out Hindu religion and many were burnt at stakes and executed…how true is it? All the historians agree that the inquisition was not meant for any other but the Newly convert Christians who were falling back to their old practices. Francis Pyrard, a French traveller, was in Goa during the period July 1608 to January 1610. In his account of his travels he gives the following information of the Inquisition of Goa : The Indian Gentiles and Moors, of whatsover religion, are not subject to this Inquisition unless they have become Christians, and even then are not so rigorously dealt with as the Portuguese or New Christians from Portugal, or other Christians from Europe. But if peradventure an Indian, Moor, or Gentile inhabitant of Goa, had dissuaded or hindered another that was minded to become Christian, and that was proved against him, he would be punished by the Inquisition, as would be he who has caused another to quit Christianity; such cases often happen. The reason why they treat these Indian thus rigorously is that they suppose tluit they cannot be so steadfast in the faith as the old Christians ; also that it will prevent the rest from being led astray. For the same reason, too, they permit them to retain some of their petty Gentile and Mahomedan superstitions, such as not eating pork or beef, not drinking wine, and keeping to their former dress and ornaments, that is among men as well as women that are become Christians.[27] In fact there are evidences that the Portuguese brought about certain reforms in the society which the Hindu community had imposed on others and oppressed the lower class and women. For example the Portuguese dealt strictly with Sati. “ No Hindu woman, living in the territories of Salsete or Bardez, or in this island of Goa or any other island annexed thereto, shall bum herself alive on account In fact there are evidences that the Portuguese brought about certain reforms in the society which the Hindu community had imposed on others and oppressed the lower class and women. For example the Portuguese dealt strictly with Sati. “ No Hindu woman, living in the territories of Salsete or Bardez, or in this island of Goa or any other island annexed thereto, shall bum herself alive on account of the death of her husband. Any person who causes such a woman to be burnt alive, or for that purpose render an advice or help, be he a relation of the woman who has burnt herself or not, shall be liable to the penalty of loss of his entire estate, one half to the person who denounces him and the other for the works of the home of Apostle St. Thomas, and im¬ prisonment for life.[28] There were forced conversions. Really? The Newly converts were forcefully converted and were returning to their old religion out of love for it…really?? Hindus were persecuted and temples were broken down. How true is it and Was it a regular event? This is a big question. In fact these are many questions. I formally thought of addressing it one by one but these are interconnected and I may repeat things again and again that’s why I thought of integrating them together. And once again I would like to remind that we need to move from interpreting history to interpreting history in its context and circumstances. We cannot interpret histories according to the mindset and concepts of today. Just some decades ago, some tribes of the African deserts were cannibals, they have recently stopped their taste for human meat. Can you still judge them? III.3.1. NO FORCED CONVERSIONS AS REGULAR PATTERN Well, it is true that Afonso Albuquerque used a very easy technique to get the people to be Christians. However, we should know that it was the part of agreement with the local Hindus and the Portuguese under Albuquerque when they sought his help to fight the Muslims. If they were not happy with it shouldn’t they have rather died for their religion instead of converting to new one? Bragging about the situation makes no sense. Therefore, what people like Shefali try to show a picture is that they were forced. Not at all, they had a choice and an agreement. If you ask me whether there forced conversions in times of St. Francis Xavier or if he forcefully converted anyone the I would give a certainly NO. Let me first begin by saying that in the year 1567 the Portuguese King had come out with the edict that no one should be forced to convert or there would be severe punishment. “ In the first place it is hereby laid down that it is not lawful to bring to our faith and baptism any person by force with threats and terror, because no one comes to Christ by faith unless brought by the Celestial father with voluntary love and prevenient grace. Just as a person if by his free will he succumbs to the temptations of the Devil, perishes, so also if he responds to the call and grace of God he saves himself. The unbelievers should be brought to the true faith by the example of our lives, preaching of the truth of our law and the confutation of their errors so that by recognition of these things, they will give up their lies, and be received in Christ, who is the way, the truth and the life. Those who wish to bring the unbelievers to the true faith must also seek to cultivate gentleness and goodness in order that they may win persons to Christ, not merely by their preachings but also by kindness, courtesy and service .”[29] We should evaluate this edict. It was not merely any other order with a selfish motive behind the mind of the King to protect trade but a deep theological discourse. First of all he quotes the Scriptures to draw his conclusion. no one comes to Christ by faith unless brought by the Celestial father with voluntary love and prevenient grace.
What a very sad yet truly wonderful presentation by Shefali Vaidya - very important to learn history lessons from our past. Thank you, Carvaka, for this!
was shefali alive when the inquisition happened? Her uncle Mr Priolikar too was born 250 years after the inquisition. It will be like Chinese whispers yaar. 400 years back people will say that 65 people were tortured. Then 300 years back people will say 3000.. then 100 years back people will say 5000.. today shefali says 16000. . dude the portuguese were here not to play dandiya but to settle here ,volonise and loot spices, wealth whatever. They must have come for trade and spreading Christianity ...the missionaries came later for that... but whh were the hindu Kings of the nation not so strong n united to not allow such a thing to happen in the first place? Goa was being ruled by muslim King Adil Shah when the pirtuguese came. I bet he destroyed few temples too, converted many as well. Portugal is now a democracy..there are no kings. Modi has signed 11 deals with Portugal Post 2014. One is to build world class port museum somewhere near Kutch . Ask him , and bjp and shefali to ask the Pope for apologies towards GI according to the Jewish books, there was a prophecy that someone will be born to a young woman who would be a saviour to the entire world.. that's Jesus. According to his disciples he performed miracles, spoke about His father in heaven..and when he died , he resurrected. His tomb was empty. His resurrection too was predicted. Christians believe he was am incarnate of God in heaven. And now pray to him and follow his teachings. Rome accepted xtianity first( they were the main persecutors of Jesus and the Jews) and then they wanted to spread it around the world. The first Bible was written in Greek as most parts of the world were ruled by Greeks, so it was a language adopted by most.. then translated to hebrew, then other languages like English etc. But no where in the bible it says convert by force.. if any xtian has done it ,be it xavier.. he was wrong.
@@ramdevchouhan2081 I'm not sure what exactly your point is! Shefali Vaidya has supported her facts with documented evidence, it's important to know your history, it was a great presentation! Goa is much more than fun in the sun, beaches, holiday packages - more Indians should know the painful history of Hindus of Goa.
@@deeess9492 When it comes to Goa, Shefali Vaidya herself has narrated her story of how she is one of those to settlers who came to down to Goa. They belong to the community called Saraswat Brahmins. They used to live near river Saraswati and when it got dried they moved to Goa. But were they the first settlers in Goa? No! The aboriginal or indigenous people of Goa are the Kunbis, the Gauddi, the Kharvi, the Pariahs and other known as chamar, mhar etc. there were also some kshatriya class people from the Maratha region who settled in Goa.[49] The Saraswat Brahmin and the Kshatriya instituted the caste system in Goa and were often with war with the other communities. With their military power and their superiority of their religious claims since they knew to read and write, many of the native aboriginals were suppressed and exploited. Some continued with their ancestral religions and at the same time synchronised their won cults with the beliefs of the Brahminical religions. There are quiet few parts of Goa who do not celebrate Ganesh Chaturthi and Diwali. I was surprised to see this. It shows that there were many religions in Goa who are just classified as Hindus. Thus it can be suspiciously concluded that the Brahmins are now trying to reclaim their superiority which has been challenged by the coming of the Monotheistic religions like Islam and Christianity. St. Francis Xavier was known for his resentment for the caste system and treatment of the lower caste. That’s why the majority of the people of Goa who were once the lower class call him the Goyncho Saib.
@@deeess9492 shefali posted a tweet last year. She grows custard apples, potatoes, tomatoes, chilli, perus, beans all brought by portugurse n dutch to India. Recently was her birthday, she posted a tweet having Aam ras of alphonso mangoes lol. Named after alphonso albuquere. All this hate is only for stiring communal disharmony.
@@ramdevchouhan2081 I still don't get the point of your rather long winded statement! Although I can clearly see an anti-Brahmin & pro-colonizer/Christian stance - are you denying the horrific torture of Hindus in Goa by the Portugese? Anybody else who has a varying point of view from the presenter in this video is equally welcome to present their facts backed with evidence - why don't you provide a link to any source where viewers/readers interested enough can go check it out? At this point, although you do seem to have some knowledge on the subject, you're just sounding angry & confused!
Goa is different because it was Portuguese for four centuries and that is a fact. Its architecture , laid back attitude, cuisine, etc. makes it different. Goans are in general proud of their Portuguese heritage. That the Portuguese Inquisition was bad? Off course. All religious persecutions are horrendous and don’t compare Portuguese cruelty to the Hindu or Muslim human rights abuse because no one wins here. Portugal respecte Goa. They even have a son of a Goan as its prime minister. You don’t see Indian names of English origin, but Portuguese names are plenty. Think about that.
I don't know whether I'm right or wrong but when Shefali said the Pope had said "SORRY" to all the other cultures Catholism destroyed but not India , the first thought that came to my was India is still Hindu. the work is unfinished, the other cultures . are dead and gone but in India there millions still unconverted,' games is not over. What do you think?
@ Shefali Vaidya - Court of Inquisition was abolished by the Portuguese Constitution of 1838 and not 'Due to pressure by the British". I understand the Portuguese may have done a lot of things, but the British entire Destroyed India, and not just India, many other Countries as well! So we shouldn't forget about that as well!
@@theghostwhowalks2097 Yes, but they also Murdered a lot of innocents and there were certain periods in history, where a lot of people starved to death, due to Famines and Drought!
Sister Shefali Vaidya 1)Ram Bless 2)Saptakoteshwar Shankar Bless 3)Mangesh Shankar Bless 4)Goddess ShantaDurga Bless Bless You With All Happiness Thanks For Showing Cruel Face Of Portugal Catholics And Goan Konkani Catholics HINDU Dharma Must Survive To Save EARTH 🌎 Jai Shree Ram Jai Shivaji
Hi Kushal - Please bring Residential school of Canada’s history on your show too . It is so much resemble to Goan history. People of India should aware of dark side of Canadian history. As I am working closely with Canada’s Native community . They are still going through generational trauma and not have even clean water to drink . But Justinder and Hugmeet singh is more worried about India.
I am an Indian Christian am totally proud of my Vedic/Indic/Hindu Civilizational Roots. I love and respect both Shefali Vaidhya and Savio Rodriguez (BJP Minister from Goa) who are fiery and passionate Bharatiya from the state of Goa working for prosperity of Dharmic/Vedic Literature Revivalism as well as helping the Govt in many ways. The only request I put forth towards Shefali is to NOT JUDGE and Stop Hating Indo Abrahamic Civilian Society just because of the Attrocious activities conducted by the Portugual Empire and put a stamp on Indian Christians as a whole equally. History Textbooks from 70 Years of Nehruvian Cult Regime had never spoken about it and thus new Generation knows NOTHING. Speaking of Catholic Church and the Pope,they 1000% needs to condemn these things and I personally would take it upto my local state vicars to write letters. Hope those of Kashmir populi too take pride in their Hindu Origins as well.. All Indo Abrahamics know that they have been CONVERTED to this Middle East Desert Country originated Monotheistic Abrahamic Ideology ..be it Islam or Christianity which has created Separatist Mindset in Indian Society.
You're right...Hate really gets us nowhere...It only keeps causing divisions...Unfortunately, Shefali has also said some pretty hateful stuff on twitter indirectly in the past...We should talk about the past, but then if we go down the route of grudges, everyone has some or the other grudges...Shudras have grudges over UC Hindus, Hindus over Islamic and Portuguese rule...How long will this continue? What is good about the current years though is that atleast among some, nationalist identity is forming..Like you said, you're proud of your Dharmic ancestors..There needs to be a common ground like that...Otherwise we'll forever keep getting sucked up in identity politics and those outside India who want to keep seeing us divided and weak will continue to get their wish...I'm in favour of nationalism, but an inclusive one...But nationalism has to be there, because for us it's about fighting for dignity in the world, and try to carve out sovereignty by not becoming anyone's complete puppet state..It's not like Western powers for whom nationalism is a taboo...Congress-Left type doesn't recognize this difference, that's why it's a problem...
Expecting some hindutvadis to not spread hatred against Indian christiand, hell even Indian catholics who themselves were victims of the Portuguese Inquisition, but when they speak about the inquistion, they make it seems like catholics were not the primary people who the Inquisition started for
@@hundikam175 Some Hindutvadis don't know the difference and use things like the inquisition to tarnish and target Christian communities elsewhere. It does not help that some members of the Christian community in other parts of the India, have brought dishonor to many christians, catholic and non catholic alike. Such things can easily be used yo hatred and for certain people who have had bad experiences witj christians the inquisition is a prime example to justify the worst attitudes Hope the goan catholics don't forget their legacy of being open about what happened in the past out of fear for what this information can be used for.
Dear Mr. Kushal and Mrs. Shefali, can I use the content of this video on what's app and other groups to spread awareness and to make people literate about the horrific past. I am completely speechless and flabbergasted after this podcast. Don't know whether to cry, laugh or just feel sorry for fellow Indians who still don't understand what it means to be a HINDU.
Great history which needs to be known by all. Goa inquisition is now well documented now.. Long back I read a good book "A daughter's story'" by Mario Kauto". Also the Goan christian still carry on Hindu tradition. Pope must regret and ask for forgiveness.
FRANCIS XAVIER RESPONSIBLE FOR THE INQUISITION? Let me first begin with our beloved St. Francis Xavier whom the Goans whether Catholic or Non Catholic alike in Goa (even Hindus) revere with such honor and call him Goycho Saib (Patron of Goa). It is true that St. Francis Xavier suggested that the inquisition be established in his letter to King John III dated 16 May 1546.[19] However it is interesting his letters were not published else where in the books so famously known for his letters but only appears in the writings of Silva Rego’s Documentação para a história das Missões do Padroado Português do Oriente: Índia, Lisboa, 1947-1958 .  “The second necessity for the Christians is that your majesty establish the Holy Inquisition, because there are many who live according to the Jewish law, and according to the Mahomedan sect, without any fear of God or shame of the world. And since there are many who are spread all over the fortresses, there is the need of the Holy Inquisition and of many preachers. Your majesty should provide such necessary things for your loyal and faithful subjects in India.” III.1.1. Evaluating the letter. First of all he mentions that the newly converts were living among the Jews and the Mohammedans and they were falling back to these religious laws to which they formerly belonged. He does not mention idolators, or Hindus or Pagans or Heathen practices. Secondly, no letter of his ever mentions the need of inquisition in Goa prior to 16 May 1546 nor after that. He wrote aletter to King John III on 20 January 1545 from Kochin, India but no mention of Inquisition. Yet another letter from Kochin on 20th January 1548 to King John III does not mention the inquisition. Another letter to king John III from Kochin on 28 January 1549. One more letter to King John III from Malacca in 1549. Yet another letter to King John III from Malacca on 23 June 1549. Letter from Goa to King John III on 10 April 1552. In all these letters there have never been any mention of the inquisition and in fact he never mentioned inquisition in letters written from mainland India (Kochin and Goa). He wrote only one letter from Amboyna and mostly he visited Amboyna only once. Whereas he visited Kochin several times and was often in Goa. There are more than one letter from Goa and Kochin. None of them mention the need of Inquisition[20]. The letter in which this mention is recorded was in fact written from Aboyna, Malacaus. And he refered to it as India.[21] So what is this place? Amboyna Malacaus is modern day Ambona Island of the Maluku Island districts of Indonesia. Undeniably the presence of the Jews and Muslims there was the most populous. As Goa was considered to be the capital of the Portuguese colonies of the East and every place they discovered was considered to be India, hence the modern name Indo-nesia. Its colonial name was “Indian Islands.”[22] Therefore there is raised a question and doubt, did St. Francis Xavier suggest Inquisition in India as such in particular Goa? Or did he mean specifically Amboyna Malacaus and not any other territory? In his previous and later letters as well he had specifically mentioned Goa…why did he not mention it in this letter?
@@ramdevchouhan2081 Thanks for the detailed information. The inquisition for whatever it was extremely inhuman by present standards. But cannot sit on judgement for by gone times. I would request you to read an autobiographical story "A daughter's story " by Maria khuto tra
Do know the difference between culture of a country and religion? You won't be even able to distinguish Christian in Kerala doesn't mean they're any less Christians
@@ramdevchouhan2081 It is a common practice for the Vatican to confer sainthood on christian missionaries who worked for spreading Christian faith by land grabbing, cheating, persecuting, maiming, torturing , raping, and killing people of other faiths. People who commit such inhuman atrocities and heinous crimes are considered saints and sainthood is conferred on such despicable people. Their memory is honoured by raising memorials for them.
We are luckier than our Ancestors, in terms of religious prosecution, I can't imagine the pain of our Ancestors whether in the north/south/east/West basically all areas in Bharat just because they are following Sanatana Dharma. My own family had migrated from a place in East Pakistan called Chittagaon leaving everything behind after the partition because of the same reasons. We should Fight and restore the Faith and Religion so that we can give our future generations a safer and better place to practice Santana Dharma.
@Alexios I Komnenos if Shefali wants she can personally tell Modi or some minister about this and ask them for Portugal to apologise or the Pope to apologise.. she meets the big people, politicians etc. What is she waiting for? And why just make videos and earn limelight and few bucks on it.
It's worth noting that during Albuquerque's invasion of Goa, a tragic event occurred where the Muslim population who had risen against him was massacred. Interestingly, one of the primary officers who assisted the Portuguese in this unfortunate event was Medeo Rao, a Hindu officer in Timoja's army. This historical incident highlights the complex interplay of religious tensions, even dating back 500 years ago.
Being a Goan i would like to say this that we the students or children should be educated with this facts at our early age. As we choose our own paths at a higher education, only few get to know about the history of our own Goan Culture and Portuguese inquisition. I being a Goan just got enlightened to this topic today, same way there are many other Goans who do not know about this deep secret. Again as u said, we don't want the churches of Goa to be broken down or go against the religion. But the facts should be portrayed as a history of Goa. Thank you Shefali maam for putting up the facts. N Thank you Kushal Mehra( The Carvaka podcast) for portraying this facts to the world.
Also portuguese left behind potatoes, tomatoes,chillies, beans perus, custard apples, bread. Today we all eat it and love it. We love our vada pav. Masala dosa, tomato dal, rasam,mirchi bhaji. Shefali grows all these products I'm her garden as well. But we need to support our farmers. Happus mangoes were grafted by portuguese named after Alphonso albuquere. Cashew nuts plants were brought by them too. U knew all this as a Goan?
@@ramdevchouhan2081 except pav, everything else which you mentioned was existed in goa way before, secondly that doesn't gives them right to forcefully convert people and torcher hindus. We Hindu's have given concept of 0 and many other maths concept so should we torcher others for using it??
@@Royalee46 you want to bring back sati? That was also abolished by British btw. Also the people who were converted seem like they would never convert back
They are unaware and dont care as they are Indians first and catholics later. Moreover than that, most catholics created something of value that does of have anything to do with what tue Portuguese did.
@@mudrarakshasa Denial how? Catholics of goa are aware of what happened,many goan catholic sources like TR Dsouza are where she gets her information from. We don't hate Christianity or the Portuguese because our Christianity is not derived from Portuguese values but our own, and modern day Portuguese are not responsible for what their ancestors did.
FRANCIS XAVIER RESPONSIBLE FOR THE INQUISITION? Let me first begin with our beloved St. Francis Xavier whom the Goans whether Catholic or Non Catholic alike in Goa (even Hindus) revere with such honor and call him Goycho Saib (Patron of Goa). It is true that St. Francis Xavier suggested that the inquisition be established in his letter to King John III dated 16 May 1546.[19] However it is interesting his letters were not published else where in the books so famously known for his letters but only appears in the writings of Silva Rego’s Documentação para a história das Missões do Padroado Português do Oriente: Índia, Lisboa, 1947-1958 .  “The second necessity for the Christians is that your majesty establish the Holy Inquisition, because there are many who live according to the Jewish law, and according to the Mahomedan sect, without any fear of God or shame of the world. And since there are many who are spread all over the fortresses, there is the need of the Holy Inquisition and of many preachers. Your majesty should provide such necessary things for your loyal and faithful subjects in India.” III.1.1. Evaluating the letter. First of all he mentions that the newly converts were living among the Jews and the Mohammedans and they were falling back to these religious laws to which they formerly belonged. He does not mention idolators, or Hindus or Pagans or Heathen practices. Secondly, no letter of his ever mentions the need of inquisition in Goa prior to 16 May 1546 nor after that. He wrote aletter to King John III on 20 January 1545 from Kochin, India but no mention of Inquisition. Yet another letter from Kochin on 20th January 1548 to King John III does not mention the inquisition. Another letter to king John III from Kochin on 28 January 1549. One more letter to King John III from Malacca in 1549. Yet another letter to King John III from Malacca on 23 June 1549. Letter from Goa to King John III on 10 April 1552. In all these letters there have never been any mention of the inquisition and in fact he never mentioned inquisition in letters written from mainland India (Kochin and Goa). He wrote only one letter from Amboyna and mostly he visited Amboyna only once. Whereas he visited Kochin several times and was often in Goa. There are more than one letter from Goa and Kochin. None of them mention the need of Inquisition[20]. The letter in which this mention is recorded was in fact written from Aboyna, Malacaus. And he refered to it as India.[21] So what is this place? Amboyna Malacaus is modern day Ambona Island of the Maluku Island districts of Indonesia. Undeniably the presence of the Jews and Muslims there was the most populous. As Goa was considered to be the capital of the Portuguese colonies of the East and every place they discovered was considered to be India, hence the modern name Indo-nesia. Its colonial name was “Indian Islands.”[22] Therefore there is raised a question and doubt, did St. Francis Xavier suggest Inquisition in India as such in particular Goa? Or did he mean specifically Amboyna Malacaus and not any other territory? In his previous and later letters as well he had specifically mentioned Goa…why did he not mention it in this letter?
We desperately need films like 12 years a slave in India. Im not a filmmaker or else I would havebtaken the Initiative. But if any film makers here please take this initiative.
U forgot huge marathi speaking Marathwada region under fanatic regime of NIZAM of Hyd princely state , now the part of MH .on BESIDES 15 AUG 1947 17 sep 1948 is the Independece day of Telangana @ 30 districts Marathwada 7 & 2 districts of KA . SARDAR PATEL HM OF INDIA DONE police action ,WHICH FREED TELENGANA , MARATHWADA 5 DISTRICTS NOW 7 & BIDER & GULBERGA I THINK FROM KA. Indian PM PVN from Telangana & Shakarao Chavan from NANDED Marathwada region HM under his cabinet ministry were good friends freedom fighters who fought against Razakars of NIZAM which was the special unit of police force created in @ 1940s , just to convert Hindus into islam of course by force & kidnapping ,raping, converting Hindu women . All of us know very well that in BRITISH INDIA , since 1937 ,MR Mohmmad Ali Jinnah preaident of Muslim leaguetook adamant stand that British should hand over Pakistan exclusively to British Indian Muslims , before quitting India. The last NIZAM of Hyd princely state ,already being a fanatic muslim was fascinated by MOHD JINN s idea of Pakistan , who wanted to merge his state in Pakistan in nearby future. But major obstacle to achieve this goal was that the state contained 80% + hindu population. Hence he planned to reduce Hindu population as less as to be comfortably added his state to Pakistan . Hence like storm troopers of Nazi Hitler in Germany ,he organised a special armed police force in @ 1940,who would convert or Hindus by threat & kidnapping raping & forcibly converting Hindu girls or women ,similar to Portuguese catholic or jesuites did in 1550 -1625 or what Muslims invaders rulers like Mughal or Adilshaha of VIJAPUR etc. These Razakars did extreme torture towards Hindus during 1940 to 1948 . But fortunately, Independent India from British got the HM as SARDAR Vallabhbhai Patel, who while merging @ 500 + princely states all over India ,asked the NIZAM of Hyd to get merged in India peacefully. But the fanatic NIZAM outrightly rejected the same ,boasting to fight with India with help of newly born Pakistan & other Muslim nations like Saudi Arebia ,the pioneer of 57 Islamic states. But NIZAM being under prevalence of strong majhabi superficial passion ,undermined Iron man HM SARDAR PATEL & faced the bitter consequences of being deserted from the state . Conclusion: The Inveders from west having Radical belief or faith in monoprophet salvatior Abrahamic concept had done tremendous damage to our multifaceted Hindu or sanatan culture during @ 712 AD TO TILL DATE UPTO LAST HALDWANI UTTARAKHAND INCIDENT. Jay Hind Vande Mataram
This is slowly but surely still happening in plain sight all across India and yet we are so uncomfortable with the truth. It served Britain to turn a blind eye...England was a christian state
FRANCIS XAVIER RESPONSIBLE FOR THE INQUISITION? Let me first begin with our beloved St. Francis Xavier whom the Goans whether Catholic or Non Catholic alike in Goa (even Hindus) revere with such honor and call him Goycho Saib (Patron of Goa). It is true that St. Francis Xavier suggested that the inquisition be established in his letter to King John III dated 16 May 1546.[19] However it is interesting his letters were not published else where in the books so famously known for his letters but only appears in the writings of Silva Rego’s Documentação para a história das Missões do Padroado Português do Oriente: Índia, Lisboa, 1947-1958 .  “The second necessity for the Christians is that your majesty establish the Holy Inquisition, because there are many who live according to the Jewish law, and according to the Mahomedan sect, without any fear of God or shame of the world. And since there are many who are spread all over the fortresses, there is the need of the Holy Inquisition and of many preachers. Your majesty should provide such necessary things for your loyal and faithful subjects in India.” III.1.1. Evaluating the letter. First of all he mentions that the newly converts were living among the Jews and the Mohammedans and they were falling back to these religious laws to which they formerly belonged. He does not mention idolators, or Hindus or Pagans or Heathen practices. Secondly, no letter of his ever mentions the need of inquisition in Goa prior to 16 May 1546 nor after that. He wrote aletter to King John III on 20 January 1545 from Kochin, India but no mention of Inquisition. Yet another letter from Kochin on 20th January 1548 to King John III does not mention the inquisition. Another letter to king John III from Kochin on 28 January 1549. One more letter to King John III from Malacca in 1549. Yet another letter to King John III from Malacca on 23 June 1549. Letter from Goa to King John III on 10 April 1552. In all these letters there have never been any mention of the inquisition and in fact he never mentioned inquisition in letters written from mainland India (Kochin and Goa). He wrote only one letter from Amboyna and mostly he visited Amboyna only once. Whereas he visited Kochin several times and was often in Goa. There are more than one letter from Goa and Kochin. None of them mention the need of Inquisition[20]. The letter in which this mention is recorded was in fact written from Aboyna, Malacaus. And he refered to it as India.[21] So what is this place? Amboyna Malacaus is modern day Ambona Island of the Maluku Island districts of Indonesia. Undeniably the presence of the Jews and Muslims there was the most populous. As Goa was considered to be the capital of the Portuguese colonies of the East and every place they discovered was considered to be India, hence the modern name Indo-nesia. Its colonial name was “Indian Islands.”[22] Therefore there is raised a question and doubt, did St. Francis Xavier suggest Inquisition in India as such in particular Goa? Or did he mean specifically Amboyna Malacaus and not any other territory? In his previous and later letters as well he had specifically mentioned Goa…why did he not mention it in this letter?
This has been a fantastic podcast to listen to. Respect to Kushal 🙏. I heard your podcast with Vivekji too. The Goan inquisition history presented by Shefali Vaidya ji was phenomenal to say the least. I have heard some of her other videos reg this topic but not in full. This one I heard the entire podcast. I fully agree when she says that this story needs to be heard, just like the Kashmir Files. I had visited these so called famous churches when I was younger and then I was so awe struck by their history and heritage. After listening to this , I feel like shit. We have been kept from the truth surrounding these structures. They have been built by destroying temples, killing Hindus, converting them and harassing them. How can they be structures of religion and peace ? You cannot build a religious structure on the rubble of another religious structure. I don't think I want to step into them ever , if I go to Goa. It's not out of hate but out of respect for the untold Hindus that had to sacrifice much more than their lives in Goa. And yes the Vatican has to apologize for what happened in Goa. It's a good trend nowadays, first you commit atrocities and then centuries later some religious head goes around apologizing for.what happened. Bloody bullshit. Let's give the Goan temples their due. Make the maximum people aware about this genocide that occurred in Goa. And if you have some respect for the Goan Hindus and Hindus of Bharatvarsh, then avoid going to these colonial structures and visit maximum temples in Goa. I would love to see a museum on the Goan inquisition being built in Goa. However much you may deny this but every Goan today, no matter what faith, was a Hindu once upon a time. Till we don't talk and read about history we will never know , we will repeat and we will never accept. Akhand Bharatvarsh Amar Rahe 🙏🙏🙏🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩
@@ramdevchouhan2081 you should ask a quesiton to yourself , why did you choose X nity over Sanatan Dharma ? if you think you are skilled in X nity and think its the ultimate truth then you should also study Sanatan Dharma Ved , Upnishad , Shruti - Smritis , Tantra , Puranas and compare it before assuming you know what god is. Cheers
@@Vayu-Putra u should read divine harmony by Aravindadaksha menon... Puranas forget.. God's exchanging wives, marrying each other , beheading esch other etc etc
@@ramdevchouhan2081 thats the problem with peoole like you, Presume you understood everything by reading someones book. Your small mind shows you are not an intellect to talk to about the creation, universer, science, space,anatomy,anthology,astronomy, math , physics , matter, which is just a friction of knowledge Sanatan Dharma has given to the world through it . good luck boy 🙏
@Alexios I Komnenos if Shefali wants she can personally tell Modi or some minister about this and ask them for Portugal to apologise or the Pope to apologise.. she meets the big people, politicians etc. What is she waiting for? And why just make videos and earn limelight and few bucks on it.
was shefali alive when the inquisition happened? Her uncle Mr Priolikar too was born 250 years after the inquisition. It will be like Chinese whispers yaar. 400 years back people will say that 65 people were tortured. Then 300 years back people will say 3000.. then 100 years back people will say 5000.. today shefali says 16000. . dude the portuguese were here not to play dandiya but to settle here ,volonise and loot spices, wealth whatever. They must have come for trade and spreading Christianity ...the missionaries came later for that... but whh were the hindu Kings of the nation not so strong n united to not allow such a thing to happen in the first place? Goa was being ruled by muslim King Adil Shah when the pirtuguese came. I bet he destroyed few temples too, converted many as well. Portugal is now a democracy..there are no kings. Modi has signed 11 deals with Portugal Post 2014. One is to build world class port museum somewhere near Kutch . Ask him , and bjp and shefali to ask the Pope for apologies towards GI according to the Jewish books, there was a prophecy that someone will be born to a young woman who would be a saviour to the entire world.. that's Jesus. According to his disciples he performed miracles, spoke about His father in heaven..and when he died , he resurrected. His tomb was empty. His resurrection too was predicted. Christians believe he was am incarnate of God in heaven. And now pray to him and follow his teachings. Rome accepted xtianity first( they were the main persecutors of Jesus and the Jews) and then they wanted to spread it around the world. The first Bible was written in Greek as most parts of the world were ruled by Greeks, so it was a language adopted by most.. then translated to hebrew, then other languages like English etc. But no where in the bible it says convert by force.. if any xtian has done it ,be it xavier.. he was wrong.
I think the Pope should issue a formal apology for the inquisition, if he has anything resembling a conscience left. That this was done in the name of Christ, is even more shameful and demonic.
@@shounakkossambe8109 had samrat Ashok's dinasty still been ruling, sure they should hv extended such apologia. But that's not the case so this attempt to draw parallels is illogical. Secondly, Maurya and Kalinga were fighting battles. Albeit the war was most brutal but there was no religious percecution of native peasants by aggresive foreign feudals. As against in this case, said institution still functions, the very same institution which conferred the sainthood to butchers - so apologia is due from them.
You asked about Kerala . There is a difference with Goa The Portugese converted Goa to Roman Catholic. Christanity arrvied in Kerala long before the Portugese. As you probably know the great sism occured on July 15/1054 when the Catholic Church broke away from the Orthodox Church and at that break there actually was a bishop of Malabar at the meeting. Christianity as you know as a Jewish sect. There were Jewish Spice traders in Kerala at the time some of whom seemed to be Christian known as St. Thomas Christians as they claimed Apostalic sucession from Thomas, just like the Catholics claim apostalic sucession from Peter. Later 4th Century Persian Christians arrived, and then Christians from greater Sryia in 6th century this mixture were called the "Theckanbagers Those who had be converted from Hindus were called "Wadkanbagers, early on the two groups would not marry but later when they started to mix they created a marriage cerimony different from Christians anywhere in the world , Christians all over the world exchange rings between the bride and groom but the St. Thomas Christians not only do that but groom ties a chain with a cross around the neck of the bride (the ring comes from the Thetkanbagers and the Necklace from the Wadkanbagers whose ancestors were Hindu) In 1982 I bought a book some time before leaving India written by a Dr. Titus Varegese who the book said was a retired professur from Madras Christian College, I've lost it It also talks about the Catholics and Othodox fighting each other as the newly arrived Portuguse want them to accept the pope and break from the Patriarch. very interesting the Orthdox took an oath before the "Koonen Cruz" saying they would never accept the Pope . I don't know if you can find thebook it is very interesting it shows Christianity came to Kerala in the first century and was protected by the local king who gave land to the Theckangers on side of the town and the wadakanbagers on the other. My sister traced my mother's family to the first century Jewish spice traders called Bagdadi Jews but my fathers to only to 1800s
Being Goan I'm requesting shefali ma'am to raise the issue of compulsion of Konkani subject in primary schools atleast.... (Right now which is an optional language)
Shefali is very influential. She knows Modi and all top brass. Rather than making videos, she should raise such issues, konkani, apologies for Goa inquisition with top brass etc
Goans should come out of their colonial hangover and they can start doing that by first renaming each and every portuguese sounding place into Konkani. E.g., Panjim -> Panaji. Quepem -> Kepe. Sanquelim -> Sankhali. Bardez -> Baradesh. Mapusa -> Mhapsa. to name a few...
@@ramdevchouhan2081 [["Let me first begin with our beloved St. Francis Xavier whom the Goans whether Catholic or Non Catholic alike in Goa (even Hindus) revere with such honor and call him Goycho Saib (Patron of Goa)."]] With this comment, you seem to be a non-Goan. By your comment above, it looks like you are trying to disunite Hindus and Christians in Goa
@@suzy1in No I'm not. Just saying was Shefali alive when the inquisition happened? Her uncle Mr Priolikar too was born 250 years after the inquisition. It will be like Chinese whispers yaar. 400 years back people will say that 65 people were tortured. Then 300 years back people will say 3000.. then 100 years back people will say 5000.. today shefali says 16000. . the portuguese were here not to play dandiya but to settle here ,volonise and loot spices, wealth whatever. They must have come for trade and spreading Christianity ...the missionaries came later for that... but whh were the hindu Kings of the nation not so strong n united to not allow such a thing to happen in the first place? Goa was being ruled by muslim King Adil Shah when the pirtuguese came. I bet he destroyed few temples too, converted many as well. Portugal is now a democracy..there are no kings.
@@ramdevchouhan2081 then we wouldn't count it as a primary source. If her uncle wrote the book using other primary sources we will classify it below primary.
You support genocide and barbarism jst because portuguese were christians.........So whts wrong muslims supporting hamas so u r no better then a terrorist supporting killings of innocent lives.....
Some spread the news that he destroyed the culture but the letters prove that he actually learned the native languages, roamed with native people and ate their food. What about his clothings? Well he could not do anything about it because as a Priest it is demanded of every priest that they remain in their Cassock all the time. Certain liberties were rewarded only after the second Vatican Council (1962-1965). The inquisition was meant for wiping out Hindu religion and many were burnt at stakes and executed…how true is it? All the historians agree that the inquisition was not meant for any other but the Newly convert Christians who were falling back to their old practices. Francis Pyrard, a French traveller, was in Goa during the period July 1608 to January 1610. In his account of his travels he gives the following information of the Inquisition of Goa : The Indian Gentiles and Moors, of whatsover religion, are not subject to this Inquisition unless they have become Christians, and even then are not so rigorously dealt with as the Portuguese or New Christians from Portugal, or other Christians from Europe. But if peradventure an Indian, Moor, or Gentile inhabitant of Goa, had dissuaded or hindered another that was minded to become Christian, and that was proved against him, he would be punished by the Inquisition, as would be he who has caused another to quit Christianity; such cases often happen. The reason why they treat these Indian thus rigorously is that they suppose tluit they cannot be so steadfast in the faith as the old Christians ; also that it will prevent the rest from being led astray. For the same reason, too, they permit them to retain some of their petty Gentile and Mahomedan superstitions, such as not eating pork or beef, not drinking wine, and keeping to their former dress and ornaments, that is among men as well as women that are become Christians.[27] In fact there are evidences that the Portuguese brought about certain reforms in the society which the Hindu community had imposed on others and oppressed the lower class and women. For example the Portuguese dealt strictly with Sati. “ No Hindu woman, living in the territories of Salsete or Bardez, or in this island of Goa or any other island annexed thereto, shall bum herself alive on account In fact there are evidences that the Portuguese brought about certain reforms in the society which the Hindu community had imposed on others and oppressed the lower class and women. For example the Portuguese dealt strictly with Sati. “ No Hindu woman, living in the territories of Salsete or Bardez, or in this island of Goa or any other island annexed thereto, shall bum herself alive on account of the death of her husband. Any person who causes such a woman to be burnt alive, or for that purpose render an advice or help, be he a relation of the woman who has burnt herself or not, shall be liable to the penalty of loss of his entire estate, one half to the person who denounces him and the other for the works of the home of Apostle St. Thomas, and im¬ prisonment for life.[28] There were forced conversions. Really? The Newly converts were forcefully converted and were returning to their old religion out of love for it…really?? Hindus were persecuted and temples were broken down. How true is it and Was it a regular event? This is a big question. In fact these are many questions. I formally thought of addressing it one by one but these are interconnected and I may repeat things again and again that’s why I thought of integrating them together. And once again I would like to remind that we need to move from interpreting history to interpreting history in its context and circumstances. We cannot interpret histories according to the mindset and concepts of today. Just some decades ago, some tribes of the African deserts were cannibals, they have recently stopped their taste for human meat. Can you still judge them? III.3.1. NO FORCED CONVERSIONS AS REGULAR PATTERN Well, it is true that Afonso Albuquerque used a very easy technique to get the people to be Christians. However, we should know that it was the part of agreement with the local Hindus and the Portuguese under Albuquerque when they sought his help to fight the Muslims. If they were not happy with it shouldn’t they have rather died for their religion instead of converting to new one? Bragging about the situation makes no sense. Therefore, what people like Shefali try to show a picture is that they were forced. Not at all, they had a choice and an agreement. If you ask me whether there forced conversions in times of St. Francis Xavier or if he forcefully converted anyone the I would give a certainly NO. Let me first begin by saying that in the year 1567 the Portuguese King had come out with the edict that no one should be forced to convert or there would be severe punishment. “ In the first place it is hereby laid down that it is not lawful to bring to our faith and baptism any person by force with threats and terror, because no one comes to Christ by faith unless brought by the Celestial father with voluntary love and prevenient grace. Just as a person if by his free will he succumbs to the temptations of the Devil, perishes, so also if he responds to the call and grace of God he saves himself. The unbelievers should be brought to the true faith by the example of our lives, preaching of the truth of our law and the confutation of their errors so that by recognition of these things, they will give up their lies, and be received in Christ, who is the way, the truth and the life. Those who wish to bring the unbelievers to the true faith must also seek to cultivate gentleness and goodness in order that they may win persons to Christ, not merely by their preachings but also by kindness, courtesy and service .”[29] We should evaluate this edict. It was not merely any other order with a selfish motive behind the mind of the King to protect trade but a deep theological discourse. First of all he quotes the Scriptures to draw his conclusion. no one comes to Christ by faith unless brought by the Celestial father with voluntary love and prevenient grace.
a) First off, it was a hindu Timoja in greed of power, who brought the Portuguese to Goa to fight the muslim ruler Adil Shah. The Portugese fought multiple hard battles, why would they gift it to Timoja, the Portugese retained Goa as their capital. b) St.Francis Xavier wrote a letter for Inquisition, but died even before the Inquisition was started by the Portuguese. c) Church did the Inquisitions (enquiry), but was carried out by the Rulers, Moreover the Inquisitions were on the New Christian converts who fell for their past heretic beliefs of human sacrifice or black magic practices, It was not on people of other religions. d) In 235 years about 60 - 100 people were burnt at stake, considering the Portuguese as an occupying colonial power this is a very low number for 235 years of rule. Caste based killing would easily outnumber 60 - 100 people in less than 10 years.
Pope is apologizing to those who had already converted to Christianity and lost their culture. In case of Goa, majority is still Hindu so apologizing to Hindus can destroy Christian conversation mission in India.
if Shefali wants she can personally tell Modi or some minister about this and ask them for Portugal to apologise or the Pope to apologise.. she meets the big people, politicians etc. What is she waiting for? And why just make videos and earn limelight and few bucks on it.
@@npatel7775 the Americans living in America aren't exactly Americans they're Europeans who settled there due to colonization, unlike India where colonizers have left
@@user-ml4ps5cq3v Oh! Now I have to spoon feed you. Pope is representative of the Catholic institute and in history you will find many institution head apologizing for wrong doing of their predecessors like Volkswagen apologized for using Jewish slaves, Catholic church apologized for Jewish pogrom, Japanese state apologizing for Nanjing Massacres etc.
FRANCIS XAVIER RESPONSIBLE FOR THE INQUISITION? Let me first begin with our beloved St. Francis Xavier whom the Goans whether Catholic or Non Catholic alike in Goa (even Hindus) revere with such honor and call him Goycho Saib (Patron of Goa). It is true that St. Francis Xavier suggested that the inquisition be established in his letter to King John III dated 16 May 1546.[19] However it is interesting his letters were not published else where in the books so famously known for his letters but only appears in the writings of Silva Rego’s Documentação para a história das Missões do Padroado Português do Oriente: Índia, Lisboa, 1947-1958 .  “The second necessity for the Christians is that your majesty establish the Holy Inquisition, because there are many who live according to the Jewish law, and according to the Mahomedan sect, without any fear of God or shame of the world. And since there are many who are spread all over the fortresses, there is the need of the Holy Inquisition and of many preachers. Your majesty should provide such necessary things for your loyal and faithful subjects in India.” III.1.1. Evaluating the letter. First of all he mentions that the newly converts were living among the Jews and the Mohammedans and they were falling back to these religious laws to which they formerly belonged. He does not mention idolators, or Hindus or Pagans or Heathen practices. Secondly, no letter of his ever mentions the need of inquisition in Goa prior to 16 May 1546 nor after that. He wrote aletter to King John III on 20 January 1545 from Kochin, India but no mention of Inquisition. Yet another letter from Kochin on 20th January 1548 to King John III does not mention the inquisition. Another letter to king John III from Kochin on 28 January 1549. One more letter to King John III from Malacca in 1549. Yet another letter to King John III from Malacca on 23 June 1549. Letter from Goa to King John III on 10 April 1552. In all these letters there have never been any mention of the inquisition and in fact he never mentioned inquisition in letters written from mainland India (Kochin and Goa). He wrote only one letter from Amboyna and mostly he visited Amboyna only once. Whereas he visited Kochin several times and was often in Goa. There are more than one letter from Goa and Kochin. None of them mention the need of Inquisition[20]. The letter in which this mention is recorded was in fact written from Aboyna, Malacaus. And he refered to it as India.[21] So what is this place? Amboyna Malacaus is modern day Ambona Island of the Maluku Island districts of Indonesia. Undeniably the presence of the Jews and Muslims there was the most populous. As Goa was considered to be the capital of the Portuguese colonies of the East and every place they discovered was considered to be India, hence the modern name Indo-nesia. Its colonial name was “Indian Islands.”[22] Therefore there is raised a question and doubt, did St. Francis Xavier suggest Inquisition in India as such in particular Goa? Or did he mean specifically Amboyna Malacaus and not any other territory? In his previous and later letters as well he had specifically mentioned Goa…why did he not mention it in this letter?
The caste system as it exists today is the result of developments during the rise of the British colonial government in India. The British Raj furthered this development, making RIGID caste organisation a central mechanism of administration. 1860 the British formulated the caste system into their system of governance, granting administrative jobs and senior appointments only to Christians and people belonging to certain castes. India provides specific representation to lower caste in education, employment and politics. Based on provisions in the Indian Constitution, it allows the Indian government to set reserved seats, which lower the qualifications needed in exams, job openings etc. Massive protests, who claimed that the government's proposal was discriminatory, discarded meritocracy and was driven by lower caste vote-bank politics.
The Catholic Church never likes their evil past to be dug up, the more the Goa Inquisition is exposed for the draconian past. Only way to get the Catholic Church to apologize is not to allow the Pope to visit India until he apologizes for the atrocities committed by the church in India, only strong arm techniques need to done.
So does the temples that never allowed dalits to enter and killed so many, lol as if the pop would want to visit India. In fact MODI went to vistaar him not the other way around
Also portuguese left behind potatoes, tomatoes,chillies, beans perus, custard apples, bread. Today we all eat it and love it. We love our vada pav. Masala dosa, tomato dal, rasam,mirchi bhaji. Shefali grows all these products I'm her garden as well. But we need to support our farmers. Happus mangoes were grafted by portuguese named after Alphonso albuquere. Cashew nuts plants were brought by them too. U knew all this as a Goan?
@Shefali Vaidya - Under your topic "The Terror and the Torture" -Yiu mentioned a point "That Proof needed to be provided", as atleast it's not like today's time where communities are assault without any lack of proof, but merely upon one's assumptions! - What have you got to say about that??
and those people who assault without lack of proof are arrested, tried, and jailed which is how the law should work. Not honored or complimented with benefits.
Do you know what your ancestors did to dalits and low cast Indian or goan will you apologise to them or keep telling this created storys to people who don't know anything about Goa
Sambhaji maharaaj was really close to winning endgame on both expeditions - Goa portugese and Janjira siddi. He had to call off both times due to Mughal advances in western maharashtra. Wish he had succeeded.
Adil shah ruled goa and the Portuguese defeated him. Also the kings that ruled goa before them constantly invaded each other and invasions involve violence of those times.
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I have great respect for Shefali Vaidya who I have been following for the last few years . My introduction to Portuguese inquisition in Goa was through her research . Christian barbarism is well documented in Goan history .
She is a troll of worst order. Got personal experience of her trolling.
@@manojk3641 Her being a troll has got nothing to do with her points that she is making. And what trolling , maybe you are the troll here
@@manojk3641 I'm sure you deserved it
Pls don't say it's Christian barbarism, call it Portuguese barbarism... And don't spoil the harmony of our beautiful Goa..
@@mahavirk8197 They were Christians, weren't they? They did this whole thing in the name of their God, so call it what it is.
Tambdi Surla temple was discovered by my grandfather , Anant Ramkrishna Shenvi Dhume when he was a young man of 23 years..the forests had swallowed this temple and thus was saved from the Portuguese.
I too am a Goan by origin. I think my ancestral deity is the same as Shefali's - one or all three of the Sancoale Trinity (Laxminarcinva, Shantadurga and Vijayadurga). # I am Hindu by birth, Hindu by belief AND Hindu by diet.
Pain and rage can cloud our mind and make us blind to the beauty around us. I am lucky I escaped that fate. The main reason is that I delved deep into Goan music - both both Hindu and Christian, devotional and non-devotional.
God bless
Hara! Hara! Mahadeva
I would like to share my spiritual experience here.
I was born in Goa (My mom Goan ) and bought up in different parts of Karnataka(My dad udipite ,ex. Govt. Employee).
I visited my maternal ancestor house every year. One month Dasaara holidays and two months summer holidays.
Never a spiritual boy. After college and work experience of 5 uears in Mangalore shifted to Goa for work.
I belong to Mahalsa devi mardol family diety. Had no idea about original temple in verna.
I worked in maruti Suzuki showroom at verna. Accidently visited the Verna mahalsa temple. In 2005 it was in small hut temple. Some how I kept visiting this temple. Learnt from temple priest that this was oroginal mahalsa temple. Started visiting with my sister who also happened to work at verna.
Everyrime we go there we feel like we are at home.
Seen this temple built now.
Thanks to community there without any politics we have got back the land.
I'm glad someone has raised this topic. Just like Kashmiri Hindus, there is a community called konkani who have faced same atrocity.
Hindus have been suffering now for centuries, its has now become a common practice of Abrahamic religions to kill,Rape, & proselytize us, like its their god-given duty, and we Hindus got used to it.....But the thing has to come to an End, and i can see the beginning of that end, in next couple of decades.
When the Portuguese broke the temples can it be called Hindu temples? Fr. Victor Ferrao in his research paper said that the temples which were broken were not Hindu temples as Hinduism is understood in today’s context. “It important to assert that we have not come from Hinduism of today, but the then fragmented cults that today have been steadily assimilated into Hinduism of today,” Ferrao said, quoting noted historian Romila Thapar to back his treatise.
“Though the temples that were demolished were not Hindu, but one(s) that belonged to different cults that have united into Hinduism of today the Hindu community is certainly carrying the pain of this false impression,” the paper reads.[43]
Some of the Brahmins still remained in the old conquests and new Conquests where Catholics were dominant. That is because they made themselves distinct from other Hindus and enjoyed the privileges of the Portuguese Government. Therefore will it be right to say that the Portuguese tried to destroy the Hindu religion? Probably they did not know the difference between the Vedic religions and the other religions. Thus when the new converts were falling back to their old practices meant the cult practices other than just poojas, aartis and bhajans. Since the Portuguese did not know the difference, they just went clubbing every ritual practice as Hindu.
Is it so? Did the Hindus face or the converted Christians face my dear.
@@tysondacosta7802 both
@@jamfold2956 Incorrect, it was faced by the newly converted Christians!
Just listen to her Introduction , how much she wanted to tell about Original Goa!!! That pain and thirst to let everyone know what history holds. 🙏
I'm an Assamese from north east my eyes became teary while listening about the tortures and Bheema's torture scene from RRR came into my mind
Real stuff was exponentially worse. Torture was common in Europe, Middle East. Most victims in history of this horrid were Europeans.
@@RojaJaneman totally agree with that
@@ramdevchouhan2081 All the historians were Europeans/missionaries. I don’t think their feelings r worth anything in a historical account in this context. Just facts can b accepted here, if that.
@@ramdevchouhan2081 u r just spamming me everywhere. I’m gonna report u to TH-cam if u don’t stop
I was in Goa for 3 months but never visited bloody st Xavier church. Infact the energy around these churches is so dark and negative that you don't feel like going in unless u r drunk.
A museum should be built in Goa and show true history of Goa along with resistance of hindu Goans.
Thanks Shifali ji for ur work. Jai Hind
Yes. Sunlight is the best disinfectant
Totally true the -ve energy.
I agree with you brother. I would not visit them out of respect for the way Hindus have been treated by the bloody Portuguese.
I went inside the Church, I found protons there.
happy I didn't visit your blue dyed god temple, what was his name?? oh yeah ram😂
Very true, there should be Goa files too. Been a Goan I know how this is true and my ancestors have also suffered and lost their home and belonging and had to hide and live in the forests in interiors of Goa 4-5 centuries ago.
if Shefali wants she can personally tell Modi or some minister about this and ask them for Portugal to apologise or the Pope to apologise.. she meets the big people, politicians etc. What is she waiting for? And why just make videos and earn limelight and few bucks on it.
@@ramdevchouhan2081 you make videos and earn limelight too. What's wrong with that? Why everyone should go to Modi for every damn thing? If someone will make a movie on it people may or may not watch it, counter her on facts not by making stupid allegations.
@@maxpayne6625 Brother. What the guy above is saying is simple. You cannot ask someone to just apologize. If she wants she can do the necessary.
I remember going with my friends to Goa. I asked everyone what they knew about the things that happened and none knew.
She's an ocean of knowledge, been following her since 2016/17..She's SIMPLY awesome and so beautiful 🔥.
FRANCIS XAVIER RESPONSIBLE FOR THE INQUISITION?
Let me first begin with our beloved St. Francis Xavier whom the Goans whether Catholic or Non Catholic alike in Goa (even Hindus) revere with such honor and call him Goycho Saib (Patron of Goa). It is true that St. Francis Xavier suggested that the inquisition be established in his letter to King John III dated 16 May 1546.[19] However it is interesting his letters were not published else where in the books so famously known for his letters but only appears in the writings of Silva Rego’s Documentação para a história das Missões do Padroado Português do Oriente: Índia, Lisboa, 1947-1958 .

“The second necessity for the Christians is that your majesty
establish the Holy Inquisition, because there are many who
live according to the Jewish law, and according to the Mahomedan
sect, without any fear of God or shame of the world. And since
there are many who are spread all over the fortresses, there is
the need of the Holy Inquisition and of many preachers. Your
majesty should provide such necessary things for your loyal and
faithful subjects in India.”
III.1.1. Evaluating the letter.
First of all he mentions that the newly converts were living among the Jews and the Mohammedans and they were falling back to these religious laws to which they formerly belonged. He does not mention idolators, or Hindus or Pagans or Heathen practices.
Secondly, no letter of his ever mentions the need of inquisition in Goa prior to 16 May 1546 nor after that. He wrote aletter to King John III on 20 January 1545 from Kochin, India but no mention of Inquisition. Yet another letter from Kochin on 20th January 1548 to King John III does not mention the inquisition. Another letter to king John III from Kochin on 28 January 1549. One more letter to King John III from Malacca in 1549. Yet another letter to King John III from Malacca on 23 June 1549. Letter from Goa to King John III on 10 April 1552. In all these letters there have never been any mention of the inquisition and in fact he never mentioned inquisition in letters written from mainland India (Kochin and Goa). He wrote only one letter from Amboyna and mostly he visited Amboyna only once. Whereas he visited Kochin several times and was often in Goa. There are more than one letter from Goa and Kochin. None of them mention the need of Inquisition[20].
The letter in which this mention is recorded was in fact written from Aboyna, Malacaus. And he refered to it as India.[21] So what is this place? Amboyna Malacaus is modern day Ambona Island of the Maluku Island districts of Indonesia. Undeniably the presence of the Jews and Muslims there was the most populous. As Goa was considered to be the capital of the Portuguese colonies of the East and every place they discovered was considered to be India, hence the modern name Indo-nesia. Its colonial name was “Indian Islands.”[22] Therefore there is raised a question and doubt, did St. Francis Xavier suggest Inquisition in India as such in particular Goa? Or did he mean specifically Amboyna Malacaus and not any other territory? In his previous and later letters as well he had specifically mentioned Goa…why did he not mention it in this letter?
Yes Portugal wanted to make Goans like the Portuguese. Yes they were religious fanatics. I am Portuguese, I am not religious, let’s heal. Portugal and India got connected 525 years ago and this gave rise to a mixed culture in many places in India. Let’s celebrate the good things, the global world, one people! Goa is a paradise
I get your sentiments. The belief system is important. The problem is monotheism is both irrational and illogical. My opinion is agnostic, but I am definitely Hindu. Religion is unhealthy for the society as a whole.
If a single God made the world, why there is so much strife in the world? The monotheist answer is that God works mysteriously. I have a better answer: the one God is a nut.
That is why, I find polytheism rational and acceptable, though I do not subscribe to it. A polytheist can say that there are many gods and each god pushes his/her own interest. A trife-torn world is inevitable.
A plurality in the belief system is essential for the progress of the world. My interest is in working towards truth. As a pluralist, I say work towards truth, as unlike the monotheists, I do not have truth handed over to me.
a pathogen that causes a disease in healthy person is not a friend .natural born lovechild of some alleged god is a bad theory .
I must thanks and appreciate the quality of discussion that kushal brings in this platform...but the issue is when i want share the video to my family and friends most of them prefer the mother tongue which is telugu .
What i would ask kushal sir is create a franchise of the carvaka podcast in recognised languages so that it reaches to pan india...or work on the subtitles so that it reaches all over bharat...
Sometimes i feel south india is leftout because of language barrier...
Good idea. Please continue to contribute to the podcast with time or material. Maybe volunteer to help with the Telugu translation, sponsor the podcast or just spread the word. Whatever we can all do.
South India is our pride and I say this as a North Indian. Must never feel left out. Guess having it dubbed in Telgu, Tamil, Malyalam would be kind of expensive. But if this content has that kind of reach, should be worth it.
Great and Noble work Shefali... Being a HINDU i believe that Shefali is one of the Hindu suffers reborn to tell the story... देव तुझे भलं करो 🙏
Our ancestors left everything in Goa only they kept religion, God's, our culture took their lives in hand we came to coastal region of Karnataka that gives shelter, land to build temples .We paid gratitude to Rani ChennaBhairadevi,Rani Abbakka, Sonda Nayaks🙏🙏🙏
if Shefali wants she can personally tell Modi or some minister about this and ask them for Portugal to apologise or the Pope to apologise.. she meets the big people, politicians etc. What is she waiting for? And why just make videos and earn limelight and few bucks on it.
Tu karwacho re?
Certain facts here are exaggerated by shefali to cause a divide in peaceful communities of Goa. No records in archieves or central library about temples being broken by poetuguese.. if such torture was created onlt on hindus how come hindus formed majority during portuguese rule and even now. In that case hindus would be in minority number... all hindu passport holders abroad should revert back to their original nationality return and take assistance from Shefali. All these issues to magnify now instead of moving forward & progressive is work of an excellent govt & organization to just divide minority and majority masses & vote bank politics.
Thank you Shefaliji for explaining the context.Who should goan hindus blame? Didn't Krishnadevaraya choose Portugese over his hindu inhabitants and also send Timoji to get locals allow Portugese colony.When saraswats transfered the deities during temple destruction,did any hindu kings come for help?If not, who helped us in reality?
Great work madam, you said the right thing in primary school level there is no mention of in quisisation, and teachers paid great tributes to St. Francis xavier. Also as you know we have 3rd December public holiday what a shameless thing
One guy who came from Spain did his work of conversion 💯 is now prayed by people of Goa. May be people of goa holding feast because he did his job and set example that how determined you should to do your assigned task. Yes we can learn this thing from Francis xaviee
Am in tears while watching this video, they have gone through a lot and still kept their Dharma, and we here thought them as casteist 😭
Shame on us
shefali posted a tweet last year. She grows custard apples, potatoes, tomatoes, chilli, perus, beans all brought by portugurse n dutch to India. Recently was her birthday, she posted a tweet having Aam ras of alphonso mangoes lol. Named after alphonso albuquere. All this hate is only for stiring communal disharmony.
Shame on ur face for your comment
FO!!!
@@whatsinaname8674 if her family was so closely affected by the portuguese rule, then why consume what they left back. Cashew nuts too
@@ramdevchouhan2081 am just amazed to see your IQ . Sir @Ramdev u pls give me list of indigenous veggies names
@@whatsinaname8674 arbi suran Green bananas ...methi, louki, sweet potatoes, dal matki etc... bajra wheat, ragi, jowar as whole grains..
Kushal sir produces very informative and quality content..please continue your efforts..I really learn a lot watching u
My ancestors, the GSB, were also from Goa who had fled to Karnataka during Goan inquisition time and settled in the coastal part of Karnataka. I have never heard such detailed level of the inquisition as presented by Shefali Vaidya and really thankfull to you mam for that. I have shared this video with all my relatives and friends so that they enlighten their children and friends about the true events that happened during cruel part of history of Goa. This has never been made public before and am sure majority of the Goans are aware of this. Thanks a lot again for making this podcast 👍
I WILL ALWAYS BE THANKFUL FOR THE " EPIC " CHANNEL THAT INTRODUCED ME TO SUCH A TRULY BEAUTIFUL SCHOLAR OF SO MANY DIMENSIONS AS SHEFALI VAIDYA, AMONGST OTHERS ! ' EPIC ' REALLY OPENED MY EYES TO SO MANY VERY OBVIOUS YET HITHERTO UNKNOWN THINGS REGARDING THE TRUE HISTORY OF INDIANS! 🙏🙏🙏
Never have been a fan of Shefali nor her twitter opinions but it is very good to hear the truth about goa from her . Thank you for the discussion , Kushal .
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Me too. Her knowledge about inquisition is great.
I have been following Shefali since so long on twitter.. This podcast made me learn so much about Goa’s history..I had no idea about this at all.. Thank you for this podcast.. learnt a lot and it’s a brilliant presentation Shefali..
FRANCIS XAVIER RESPONSIBLE FOR THE INQUISITION?
Let me first begin with our beloved St. Francis Xavier whom the Goans whether Catholic or Non Catholic alike in Goa (even Hindus) revere with such honor and call him Goycho Saib (Patron of Goa). It is true that St. Francis Xavier suggested that the inquisition be established in his letter to King John III dated 16 May 1546.[19] However it is interesting his letters were not published else where in the books so famously known for his letters but only appears in the writings of Silva Rego’s Documentação para a história das Missões do Padroado Português do Oriente: Índia, Lisboa, 1947-1958 .

“The second necessity for the Christians is that your majesty
establish the Holy Inquisition, because there are many who
live according to the Jewish law, and according to the Mahomedan
sect, without any fear of God or shame of the world. And since
there are many who are spread all over the fortresses, there is
the need of the Holy Inquisition and of many preachers. Your
majesty should provide such necessary things for your loyal and
faithful subjects in India.”
III.1.1. Evaluating the letter.
First of all he mentions that the newly converts were living among the Jews and the Mohammedans and they were falling back to these religious laws to which they formerly belonged. He does not mention idolators, or Hindus or Pagans or Heathen practices.
Secondly, no letter of his ever mentions the need of inquisition in Goa prior to 16 May 1546 nor after that. He wrote aletter to King John III on 20 January 1545 from Kochin, India but no mention of Inquisition. Yet another letter from Kochin on 20th January 1548 to King John III does not mention the inquisition. Another letter to king John III from Kochin on 28 January 1549. One more letter to King John III from Malacca in 1549. Yet another letter to King John III from Malacca on 23 June 1549. Letter from Goa to King John III on 10 April 1552. In all these letters there have never been any mention of the inquisition and in fact he never mentioned inquisition in letters written from mainland India (Kochin and Goa). He wrote only one letter from Amboyna and mostly he visited Amboyna only once. Whereas he visited Kochin several times and was often in Goa. There are more than one letter from Goa and Kochin. None of them mention the need of Inquisition[20].
The letter in which this mention is recorded was in fact written from Aboyna, Malacaus. And he refered to it as India.[21] So what is this place? Amboyna Malacaus is modern day Ambona Island of the Maluku Island districts of Indonesia. Undeniably the presence of the Jews and Muslims there was the most populous. As Goa was considered to be the capital of the Portuguese colonies of the East and every place they discovered was considered to be India, hence the modern name Indo-nesia. Its colonial name was “Indian Islands.”[22] Therefore there is raised a question and doubt, did St. Francis Xavier suggest Inquisition in India as such in particular Goa? Or did he mean specifically Amboyna Malacaus and not any other territory? In his previous and later letters as well he had specifically mentioned Goa…why did he not mention it in this letter?
Portuguese destroyed the old Kapaleeshwara temple of Chennai and Santhome church is standing there today.
Where ever the Spaniards, Portugals and Britishers went they destroyed that lands culture. Be it the americas or the africas . Some how India is staggering to hold on to its culture after 1000 years of brutal conquests from outside.
Dharmo rakshati rakshitaha
shefali posted a tweet last year. She grows custard apples, potatoes, tomatoes, chilli, perus, beans all brought by portugurse n dutch to India. Recently was her birthday, she posted a tweet having Aam ras of alphonso mangoes lol. Named after alphonso albuquere. All this hate is only for stiring communal disharmony.
When the Portuguese broke the temples can it be all called Hindu temples? Fr. Victor Ferrao in his research paper said that the temples which were broken were not Hindu temples as Hinduism is understood in today’s context. “It important to assert that we have not come from Hinduism of today, but the then fragmented cults that today have been steadily assimilated into Hinduism of today,” Ferrao said, quoting noted historian Romila Thapar to back his treatise.
“Though the temples that were demolished were not Hindu, but one(s) that belonged to different cults that have united into Hinduism of today the Hindu community is certainly carrying the pain of this false impression,” the paper reads.[43]
Some of the Brahmins still remained in the old conquests and new Conquests where Catholics were dominant. That is because they made themselves distinct from other Hindus and enjoyed the privileges of the Portuguese Government. Therefore will it be right to say that the Portuguese tried to destroy the Hindu religion? Probably they did not know the difference between the Vedic religions and the other religions. Thus when the new converts were falling back to their old practices meant the cult practices other than just poojas, aartis and bhajans. Since the Portuguese did not know the difference, they just went clubbing every ritual practice as Hindu.
@@ramdevchouhan2081 where is the hate here? Can't we talk about history? Trading and conquest are 2 different things. The exchange of spices and knowledge have been since millennia east india company came due to this remember? When American, Australian can accept that they committed mass genocides of their natives in conquest, when Japan can accept the genocides on China. Why can't we? Are you afraid of the truth? Do you think people will start killing?
Great respect for Shefali ji.
The way kushal handled the conversion in the end (when I joined). It seems it was serious will watch it
Some spread the news that he destroyed the culture but the letters prove that he actually learned the native languages, roamed with native people and ate their food. What about his clothings? Well he could not do anything about it because as a Priest it is demanded of every priest that they remain in their Cassock all the time. Certain liberties were rewarded only after the second Vatican Council (1962-1965).
The inquisition was meant for wiping out Hindu religion and many were burnt at stakes and executed…how true is it?
All the historians agree that the inquisition was not meant for any other but the Newly convert Christians who were falling back to their old practices.
Francis Pyrard, a French traveller, was in Goa during the
period July 1608 to January 1610. In his account of his travels
he gives the following information of the Inquisition of Goa :
The Indian Gentiles and Moors, of whatsover religion,
are not subject to this Inquisition unless they have become
Christians, and even then are not so rigorously dealt with as the Portuguese or New Christians from Portugal, or other Christians
from Europe. But if peradventure an Indian, Moor, or Gentile
inhabitant of Goa, had dissuaded or hindered another that was
minded to become Christian, and that was proved against him, he
would be punished by the Inquisition, as would be he who has
caused another to quit Christianity; such cases often happen.
The reason why they treat these Indian thus rigorously is that
they suppose tluit they cannot be so steadfast in the faith as the old
Christians ; also that it will prevent the rest from being led astray.
For the same reason, too, they permit them to retain some of their
petty Gentile and Mahomedan superstitions, such as not eating
pork or beef, not drinking wine, and keeping to their former
dress and ornaments, that is among men as well as women that
are become Christians.[27]
In fact there are evidences that the Portuguese brought about certain reforms in the society which the Hindu community had imposed on others and oppressed the lower class and women. For example the Portuguese dealt strictly with Sati.
“ No Hindu woman, living in the territories of Salsete or
Bardez, or in this island of Goa or any other island annexed thereto,
shall bum herself alive on account
In fact there are evidences that the Portuguese brought about certain reforms in the society which the Hindu community had imposed on others and oppressed the lower class and women. For example the Portuguese dealt strictly with Sati.
“ No Hindu woman, living in the territories of Salsete or
Bardez, or in this island of Goa or any other island annexed thereto,
shall bum herself alive on account of the death of her husband.
Any person who causes such a woman to be burnt alive, or for that
purpose render an advice or help, be he a relation of the woman who
has burnt herself or not, shall be liable to the penalty of loss of his entire estate, one half to the person who denounces him and the other for the works of the home of Apostle St. Thomas, and im¬ prisonment for life.[28]
There were forced conversions. Really? The Newly converts were forcefully converted and were returning to their old religion out of love for it…really?? Hindus were persecuted and temples were broken down. How true is it and Was it a regular event?
This is a big question. In fact these are many questions. I formally thought of addressing it one by one but these are interconnected and I may repeat things again and again that’s why I thought of integrating them together. And once again I would like to remind that we need to move from interpreting history to interpreting history in its context and circumstances. We cannot interpret histories according to the mindset and concepts of today. Just some decades ago, some tribes of the African deserts were cannibals, they have recently stopped their taste for human meat. Can you still judge them?
III.3.1. NO FORCED CONVERSIONS AS REGULAR PATTERN
Well, it is true that Afonso Albuquerque used a very easy technique to get the people to be Christians. However, we should know that it was the part of agreement with the local Hindus and the Portuguese under Albuquerque when they sought his help to fight the Muslims. If they were not happy with it shouldn’t they have rather died for their religion instead of converting to new one? Bragging about the situation makes no sense. Therefore, what people like Shefali try to show a picture is that they were forced. Not at all, they had a choice and an agreement. If you ask me whether there forced conversions in times of St. Francis Xavier or if he forcefully converted anyone the I would give a certainly NO.
Let me first begin by saying that in the year 1567 the Portuguese King had come out with the edict that no one should be forced to convert or there would be severe punishment.
“ In the first place it is hereby laid down that it is not lawful
to bring to our faith and baptism any person by force with threats
and terror, because no one comes to Christ by faith unless brought
by the Celestial father with voluntary love and prevenient grace.
Just as a person if by his free will he succumbs to the temptations
of the Devil, perishes, so also if he responds to the call and grace
of God he saves himself. The unbelievers should be brought to
the true faith by the example of our lives, preaching of the
truth of our law and the confutation of their errors so that by
recognition of these things, they will give up their lies, and be
received in Christ, who is the way, the truth and the life. Those
who wish to bring the unbelievers to the true faith must also seek
to cultivate gentleness and goodness in order that they may win
persons to Christ, not merely by their preachings but also by kindness, courtesy and service .”[29]
We should evaluate this edict. It was not merely any other order with a selfish motive behind the mind of the King to protect trade but a deep theological discourse. First of all he quotes the Scriptures to draw his conclusion.
no one comes to Christ by faith unless brought
by the Celestial father with voluntary love and prevenient grace.
What a very sad yet truly wonderful presentation by Shefali Vaidya - very important to learn history lessons from our past. Thank you, Carvaka, for this!
was shefali alive when the inquisition happened? Her uncle Mr Priolikar too was born 250 years after the inquisition. It will be like Chinese whispers yaar. 400 years back people will say that 65 people were tortured. Then 300 years back people will say 3000.. then 100 years back people will say 5000.. today shefali says 16000.
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dude the portuguese were here not to play dandiya but to settle here ,volonise and loot spices, wealth whatever. They must have come for trade and spreading Christianity ...the missionaries came later for that... but whh were the hindu Kings of the nation not so strong n united to not allow such a thing to happen in the first place? Goa was being ruled by muslim King Adil Shah when the pirtuguese came. I bet he destroyed few temples too, converted many as well. Portugal is now a democracy..there are no kings. Modi has signed 11 deals with Portugal Post 2014. One is to build world class port museum somewhere near Kutch .
Ask him , and bjp and shefali to ask the Pope for apologies towards GI
according to the Jewish books, there was a prophecy that someone will be born to a young woman who would be a saviour to the entire world.. that's Jesus. According to his disciples he performed miracles, spoke about His father in heaven..and when he died , he resurrected. His tomb was empty. His resurrection too was predicted.
Christians believe he was am incarnate of God in heaven. And now pray to him and follow his teachings.
Rome accepted xtianity first( they were the main persecutors of Jesus and the Jews) and then they wanted to spread it around the world. The first Bible was written in Greek as most parts of the world were ruled by Greeks, so it was a language adopted by most.. then translated to hebrew, then other languages like English etc. But no where in the bible it says convert by force.. if any xtian has done it ,be it xavier.. he was wrong.
@@ramdevchouhan2081 I'm not sure what exactly your point is!
Shefali Vaidya has supported her facts with documented evidence, it's important to know your history, it was a great presentation!
Goa is much more than fun in the sun, beaches, holiday packages - more Indians should know the painful history of Hindus of Goa.
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When it comes to Goa, Shefali Vaidya herself has narrated her story of how she is one of those to settlers who came to down to Goa. They belong to the community called Saraswat Brahmins. They used to live near river Saraswati and when it got dried they moved to Goa. But were they the first settlers in Goa? No! The aboriginal or indigenous people of Goa are the Kunbis, the Gauddi, the Kharvi, the Pariahs and other known as chamar, mhar etc. there were also some kshatriya class people from the Maratha region who settled in Goa.[49] The Saraswat Brahmin and the Kshatriya instituted the caste system in Goa and were often with war with the other communities. With their military power and their superiority of their religious claims since they knew to read and write, many of the native aboriginals were suppressed and exploited. Some continued with their ancestral religions and at the same time synchronised their won cults with the beliefs of the Brahminical religions. There are quiet few parts of Goa who do not celebrate Ganesh Chaturthi and Diwali. I was surprised to see this. It shows that there were many religions in Goa who are just classified as Hindus. Thus it can be suspiciously concluded that the Brahmins are now trying to reclaim their superiority which has been challenged by the coming of the Monotheistic religions like Islam and Christianity. St. Francis Xavier was known for his resentment for the caste system and treatment of the lower caste. That’s why the majority of the people of Goa who were once the lower class call him the Goyncho Saib.
@@deeess9492 shefali posted a tweet last year. She grows custard apples, potatoes, tomatoes, chilli, perus, beans all brought by portugurse n dutch to India. Recently was her birthday, she posted a tweet having Aam ras of alphonso mangoes lol. Named after alphonso albuquere. All this hate is only for stiring communal disharmony.
@@ramdevchouhan2081 I still don't get the point of your rather long winded statement!
Although I can clearly see an anti-Brahmin & pro-colonizer/Christian stance - are you denying the horrific torture of Hindus in Goa by the Portugese?
Anybody else who has a varying point of view from the presenter in this video is equally welcome to present their facts backed with evidence - why don't you provide a link to any source where viewers/readers interested enough can go check it out?
At this point, although you do seem to have some knowledge on the subject, you're just sounding angry & confused!
Polarization of communities is the only way to remain in power.
Saraswat Brahmins , what a journey of persecution , travelling across generations up from Kashmir to South of India.
Thankyou thankyou for getting shefali ji on your podcast Kushal..this collab was worth the wait
Goa is different because it was Portuguese for four centuries and that is a fact. Its architecture , laid back attitude, cuisine, etc. makes it different. Goans are in general proud of their Portuguese heritage. That the Portuguese Inquisition was bad? Off course. All religious persecutions are horrendous and don’t compare Portuguese cruelty to the Hindu or Muslim human rights abuse because no one wins here. Portugal respecte Goa. They even have a son of a Goan as its prime minister. You don’t see Indian names of English origin, but Portuguese names are plenty. Think about that.
Ghatia fotkirya. Only Portuguese blood are proud of it
No one is judging the present Portuguese population.
I don't know whether I'm right or wrong but when Shefali said the Pope had said "SORRY" to all the other cultures Catholism destroyed but not India , the first thought that came to my was India is still Hindu. the work is unfinished, the other cultures . are dead and gone but in India there millions still unconverted,' games is not over. What do you think?
Any country that committed genocide in India never apologize, why?
Yes, we need a Goa files film and one on Tipu Sultan real files.
@ Shefali Vaidya - Court of Inquisition was abolished by the Portuguese Constitution of 1838 and not 'Due to pressure by the British". I understand the Portuguese may have done a lot of things, but the British entire Destroyed India, and not just India, many other Countries as well! So we shouldn't forget about that as well!
Very true
‘Done a lot of things’ what an understatement to justify your allegiance to your Portuguese lineage . Brits did not force conversions on Hindus.
@@theghostwhowalks2097 Yes, but they also Murdered a lot of innocents and there were certain periods in history, where a lot of people starved to death, due to Famines and Drought!
@@rohangracias1866 Agreed Churchill was the Butcher Of Bengal.
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Watch this please to understand Inquisition a little better
Sister Shefali Vaidya
1)Ram Bless
2)Saptakoteshwar Shankar Bless
3)Mangesh Shankar Bless
4)Goddess ShantaDurga Bless
Bless You With All Happiness
Thanks For Showing Cruel Face Of Portugal Catholics And Goan Konkani Catholics
HINDU Dharma Must Survive To Save EARTH 🌎
Jai Shree Ram
Jai Shivaji
Hi Kushal - Please bring Residential school of Canada’s history on your show too . It is so much resemble to Goan history. People of India should aware of dark side of Canadian history. As I am working closely with Canada’s Native community . They are still going through generational trauma and not have even clean water to drink . But Justinder and Hugmeet singh is more worried about India.
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Perhaps the most information rich episode of this channel that I have seen. I am honestly speechless.
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Great respect for Shefali Vaidya..a brave Goan..my ancestors too were from Narve in Goa..thanks for bringing this out to the whole world! 🙏🏻
I am an Indian Christian am totally proud of my Vedic/Indic/Hindu Civilizational Roots.
I love and respect both Shefali Vaidhya and Savio Rodriguez (BJP Minister from Goa) who are fiery and passionate Bharatiya from the state of Goa working for prosperity of Dharmic/Vedic Literature Revivalism as well as helping the Govt in many ways.
The only request I put forth towards Shefali is to NOT JUDGE and Stop Hating Indo Abrahamic Civilian Society just because of the Attrocious activities conducted by the Portugual Empire and put a stamp on Indian Christians as a whole equally.
History Textbooks from 70 Years of Nehruvian Cult Regime had never spoken about it and thus new Generation knows NOTHING.
Speaking of Catholic Church and the Pope,they 1000% needs to condemn these things and I personally would take it upto my local state vicars to write letters.
Hope those of Kashmir populi too take pride in their Hindu Origins as well..
All Indo Abrahamics know that they have been CONVERTED to this Middle East Desert Country originated Monotheistic Abrahamic Ideology ..be it Islam or Christianity which has created Separatist Mindset in Indian Society.
You're right...Hate really gets us nowhere...It only keeps causing divisions...Unfortunately, Shefali has also said some pretty hateful stuff on twitter indirectly in the past...We should talk about the past, but then if we go down the route of grudges, everyone has some or the other grudges...Shudras have grudges over UC Hindus, Hindus over Islamic and Portuguese rule...How long will this continue? What is good about the current years though is that atleast among some, nationalist identity is forming..Like you said, you're proud of your Dharmic ancestors..There needs to be a common ground like that...Otherwise we'll forever keep getting sucked up in identity politics and those outside India who want to keep seeing us divided and weak will continue to get their wish...I'm in favour of nationalism, but an inclusive one...But nationalism has to be there, because for us it's about fighting for dignity in the world, and try to carve out sovereignty by not becoming anyone's complete puppet state..It's not like Western powers for whom nationalism is a taboo...Congress-Left type doesn't recognize this difference, that's why it's a problem...
Expecting some hindutvadis to not spread hatred against Indian christiand, hell even Indian catholics who themselves were victims of the Portuguese Inquisition, but when they speak about the inquistion, they make it seems like catholics were not the primary people who the Inquisition started for
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@@battlerushiromiya651 indian catholics are good community they are doing great so why to ahte?
@@hundikam175 Some Hindutvadis don't know the difference and use things like the inquisition to tarnish and target Christian communities elsewhere.
It does not help that some members of the Christian community in other parts of the India, have brought dishonor to many christians, catholic and non catholic alike.
Such things can easily be used yo hatred and for certain people who have had bad experiences witj christians the inquisition is a prime example to justify the worst attitudes
Hope the goan catholics don't forget their legacy of being open about what happened in the past out of fear for what this information can be used for.
Dear Mr. Kushal and Mrs. Shefali, can I use the content of this video on what's app and other groups to spread awareness and to make people literate about the horrific past. I am completely speechless and flabbergasted after this podcast. Don't know whether to cry, laugh or just feel sorry for fellow Indians who still don't understand what it means to be a HINDU.
Great history which needs to be known by all. Goa inquisition is now well documented now..
Long back I read a good book "A daughter's story'" by Mario Kauto".
Also the Goan christian still carry on Hindu tradition.
Pope must regret and ask for forgiveness.
FRANCIS XAVIER RESPONSIBLE FOR THE INQUISITION?
Let me first begin with our beloved St. Francis Xavier whom the Goans whether Catholic or Non Catholic alike in Goa (even Hindus) revere with such honor and call him Goycho Saib (Patron of Goa). It is true that St. Francis Xavier suggested that the inquisition be established in his letter to King John III dated 16 May 1546.[19] However it is interesting his letters were not published else where in the books so famously known for his letters but only appears in the writings of Silva Rego’s Documentação para a história das Missões do Padroado Português do Oriente: Índia, Lisboa, 1947-1958 .

“The second necessity for the Christians is that your majesty
establish the Holy Inquisition, because there are many who
live according to the Jewish law, and according to the Mahomedan
sect, without any fear of God or shame of the world. And since
there are many who are spread all over the fortresses, there is
the need of the Holy Inquisition and of many preachers. Your
majesty should provide such necessary things for your loyal and
faithful subjects in India.”
III.1.1. Evaluating the letter.
First of all he mentions that the newly converts were living among the Jews and the Mohammedans and they were falling back to these religious laws to which they formerly belonged. He does not mention idolators, or Hindus or Pagans or Heathen practices.
Secondly, no letter of his ever mentions the need of inquisition in Goa prior to 16 May 1546 nor after that. He wrote aletter to King John III on 20 January 1545 from Kochin, India but no mention of Inquisition. Yet another letter from Kochin on 20th January 1548 to King John III does not mention the inquisition. Another letter to king John III from Kochin on 28 January 1549. One more letter to King John III from Malacca in 1549. Yet another letter to King John III from Malacca on 23 June 1549. Letter from Goa to King John III on 10 April 1552. In all these letters there have never been any mention of the inquisition and in fact he never mentioned inquisition in letters written from mainland India (Kochin and Goa). He wrote only one letter from Amboyna and mostly he visited Amboyna only once. Whereas he visited Kochin several times and was often in Goa. There are more than one letter from Goa and Kochin. None of them mention the need of Inquisition[20].
The letter in which this mention is recorded was in fact written from Aboyna, Malacaus. And he refered to it as India.[21] So what is this place? Amboyna Malacaus is modern day Ambona Island of the Maluku Island districts of Indonesia. Undeniably the presence of the Jews and Muslims there was the most populous. As Goa was considered to be the capital of the Portuguese colonies of the East and every place they discovered was considered to be India, hence the modern name Indo-nesia. Its colonial name was “Indian Islands.”[22] Therefore there is raised a question and doubt, did St. Francis Xavier suggest Inquisition in India as such in particular Goa? Or did he mean specifically Amboyna Malacaus and not any other territory? In his previous and later letters as well he had specifically mentioned Goa…why did he not mention it in this letter?
your ram bakhts must regret for their sons for creating a rukus
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Thanks for the detailed information. The inquisition for whatever it was extremely inhuman by present standards. But cannot sit on judgement for by gone times.
I would request you to read an autobiographical story "A daughter's story " by Maria khuto tra
Do know the difference between culture of a country and religion? You won't be even able to distinguish Christian in Kerala doesn't mean they're any less Christians
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It is a common practice for the Vatican to confer sainthood on christian missionaries who
worked for spreading
Christian faith by land grabbing, cheating, persecuting, maiming, torturing , raping, and killing people of other faiths. People who commit such inhuman atrocities and heinous crimes are considered saints and sainthood is conferred on such despicable people. Their memory is honoured by raising memorials for them.
We are luckier than our Ancestors, in terms of religious prosecution, I can't imagine the pain of our Ancestors whether in the north/south/east/West basically all areas in Bharat just because they are following Sanatana Dharma. My own family had migrated from a place in East Pakistan called Chittagaon leaving everything behind after the partition because of the same reasons. We should Fight and restore the Faith and Religion so that we can give our future generations a safer and better place to practice Santana Dharma.
@Alexios I Komnenos if Shefali wants she can personally tell Modi or some minister about this and ask them for Portugal to apologise or the Pope to apologise.. she meets the big people, politicians etc. What is she waiting for? And why just make videos and earn limelight and few bucks on it.
It's worth noting that during Albuquerque's invasion of Goa, a tragic event occurred where the Muslim population who had risen against him was massacred. Interestingly, one of the primary officers who assisted the Portuguese in this unfortunate event was Medeo Rao, a Hindu officer in Timoja's army. This historical incident highlights the complex interplay of religious tensions, even dating back 500 years ago.
Good Knowledge, Great 👍
Being a Goan i would like to say this that we the students or children should be educated with this facts at our early age. As we choose our own paths at a higher education, only few get to know about the history of our own Goan Culture and Portuguese inquisition.
I being a Goan just got enlightened to this topic today, same way there are many other Goans who do not know about this deep secret.
Again as u said, we don't want the churches of Goa to be broken down or go against the religion. But the facts should be portrayed as a history of Goa.
Thank you Shefali maam for putting up the facts. N Thank you Kushal Mehra( The Carvaka podcast) for portraying this facts to the world.
Also portuguese left behind potatoes, tomatoes,chillies, beans perus, custard apples, bread. Today we all eat it and love it. We love our vada pav. Masala dosa, tomato dal, rasam,mirchi bhaji.
Shefali grows all these products I'm her garden as well. But we need to support our farmers.
Happus mangoes were grafted by portuguese named after Alphonso albuquere. Cashew nuts plants were brought by them too.
U knew all this as a Goan?
@@ramdevchouhan2081 except pav, everything else which you mentioned was existed in goa way before, secondly that doesn't gives them right to forcefully convert people and torcher hindus. We Hindu's have given concept of 0 and many other maths concept so should we torcher others for using it??
@@ramdevchouhan2081 your comment is as stupid as your thinking. Come with real ID.
@@Royalee46 you want to bring back sati? That was also abolished by British btw. Also the people who were converted seem like they would never convert back
@@user-ml4ps5cq3v Read Meenakshi Jain's book 'Sati'
Shefali vaidya ma"m is God for us❤
To what extent are Konkani speaking Goan Catholics proud of the Portuguese Inquisitions of Goa?
They r in denial
They are unaware and dont care as they are Indians first and catholics later.
Moreover than that, most catholics created something of value that does of have anything to do with what tue Portuguese did.
@@battlerushiromiya651 🤣🤣🤣🤣 denial again
@@mudrarakshasa Denial how?
Catholics of goa are aware of what happened,many goan catholic sources like TR Dsouza are where she gets her information from.
We don't hate Christianity or the Portuguese because our Christianity is not derived from Portuguese values but our own, and modern day Portuguese are not responsible for what their ancestors did.
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Fully support your idea of exclusive museum
Thanks!
Thank you shefali Ji for such an insightful and informative session.
Great job kushal ji as always .
Reviving the past is only looking and wanting to repeat it
very very knowledgable
FRANCIS XAVIER RESPONSIBLE FOR THE INQUISITION?
Let me first begin with our beloved St. Francis Xavier whom the Goans whether Catholic or Non Catholic alike in Goa (even Hindus) revere with such honor and call him Goycho Saib (Patron of Goa). It is true that St. Francis Xavier suggested that the inquisition be established in his letter to King John III dated 16 May 1546.[19] However it is interesting his letters were not published else where in the books so famously known for his letters but only appears in the writings of Silva Rego’s Documentação para a história das Missões do Padroado Português do Oriente: Índia, Lisboa, 1947-1958 .

“The second necessity for the Christians is that your majesty
establish the Holy Inquisition, because there are many who
live according to the Jewish law, and according to the Mahomedan
sect, without any fear of God or shame of the world. And since
there are many who are spread all over the fortresses, there is
the need of the Holy Inquisition and of many preachers. Your
majesty should provide such necessary things for your loyal and
faithful subjects in India.”
III.1.1. Evaluating the letter.
First of all he mentions that the newly converts were living among the Jews and the Mohammedans and they were falling back to these religious laws to which they formerly belonged. He does not mention idolators, or Hindus or Pagans or Heathen practices.
Secondly, no letter of his ever mentions the need of inquisition in Goa prior to 16 May 1546 nor after that. He wrote aletter to King John III on 20 January 1545 from Kochin, India but no mention of Inquisition. Yet another letter from Kochin on 20th January 1548 to King John III does not mention the inquisition. Another letter to king John III from Kochin on 28 January 1549. One more letter to King John III from Malacca in 1549. Yet another letter to King John III from Malacca on 23 June 1549. Letter from Goa to King John III on 10 April 1552. In all these letters there have never been any mention of the inquisition and in fact he never mentioned inquisition in letters written from mainland India (Kochin and Goa). He wrote only one letter from Amboyna and mostly he visited Amboyna only once. Whereas he visited Kochin several times and was often in Goa. There are more than one letter from Goa and Kochin. None of them mention the need of Inquisition[20].
The letter in which this mention is recorded was in fact written from Aboyna, Malacaus. And he refered to it as India.[21] So what is this place? Amboyna Malacaus is modern day Ambona Island of the Maluku Island districts of Indonesia. Undeniably the presence of the Jews and Muslims there was the most populous. As Goa was considered to be the capital of the Portuguese colonies of the East and every place they discovered was considered to be India, hence the modern name Indo-nesia. Its colonial name was “Indian Islands.”[22] Therefore there is raised a question and doubt, did St. Francis Xavier suggest Inquisition in India as such in particular Goa? Or did he mean specifically Amboyna Malacaus and not any other territory? In his previous and later letters as well he had specifically mentioned Goa…why did he not mention it in this letter?
We desperately need films like 12 years a slave in India. Im not a filmmaker or else I would havebtaken the Initiative. But if any film makers here please take this initiative.
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Who invited Afonso de Albuquerque to come to Goa and why ? Hint: Timoja and why ?
Not just goa , even Hyderabad karnataka region when under Nizam rule . Portuguese were first to enter india and last to leave india
U forgot huge marathi speaking Marathwada region under fanatic regime of NIZAM of Hyd princely state , now the part of MH .on
BESIDES 15 AUG 1947 17 sep 1948 is the Independece day of Telangana @ 30 districts Marathwada 7 & 2 districts of
KA . SARDAR PATEL HM OF INDIA DONE police action ,WHICH FREED TELENGANA , MARATHWADA 5 DISTRICTS NOW 7 & BIDER & GULBERGA I THINK FROM KA.
Indian PM PVN from Telangana & Shakarao Chavan from NANDED Marathwada region HM under his cabinet ministry were good friends freedom fighters who fought against Razakars of NIZAM which was the special unit of police force created in @ 1940s , just to convert Hindus into islam of course by force & kidnapping ,raping, converting Hindu women .
All of us know very well that in BRITISH INDIA , since 1937 ,MR Mohmmad Ali Jinnah preaident of Muslim leaguetook adamant stand that British should hand over Pakistan exclusively to British Indian Muslims , before quitting India. The last
NIZAM of Hyd princely state ,already being a fanatic muslim was fascinated by MOHD JINN s idea of Pakistan , who wanted to merge his state in Pakistan in nearby future. But major obstacle to achieve this goal was that the state contained 80% + hindu population. Hence he planned to reduce Hindu population as less as to be comfortably added his state to Pakistan . Hence like storm troopers of Nazi Hitler in Germany ,he organised a special armed police force in @ 1940,who would convert or Hindus by threat & kidnapping raping & forcibly converting Hindu girls or women ,similar to Portuguese catholic or jesuites did in 1550 -1625 or what Muslims invaders rulers like Mughal or Adilshaha of VIJAPUR etc.
These Razakars did extreme torture towards Hindus during 1940 to 1948 . But fortunately, Independent India from British got the HM as SARDAR Vallabhbhai Patel, who while merging @ 500 + princely states all over India ,asked the NIZAM of Hyd to get merged in India peacefully. But the fanatic NIZAM outrightly rejected the same ,boasting to fight with India with help of newly born Pakistan & other Muslim nations like Saudi Arebia ,the pioneer of 57 Islamic states. But NIZAM being under prevalence of strong majhabi superficial passion ,undermined Iron man HM SARDAR PATEL & faced the bitter consequences of being deserted from the state .
Conclusion: The Inveders from west having Radical belief or faith in monoprophet salvatior Abrahamic concept had done tremendous damage to our multifaceted Hindu or sanatan culture during @ 712 AD TO TILL DATE UPTO LAST HALDWANI UTTARAKHAND INCIDENT.
Jay Hind Vande Mataram
This is slowly but surely still happening in plain sight all across India and yet we are so uncomfortable with the truth.
It served Britain to turn a blind eye...England was a christian state
Unfortunately because of our Glorious Liberation we have this hatred.
Museum related to genocide of hindu goan must be made. Goa is already a tourist place.
FRANCIS XAVIER RESPONSIBLE FOR THE INQUISITION?
Let me first begin with our beloved St. Francis Xavier whom the Goans whether Catholic or Non Catholic alike in Goa (even Hindus) revere with such honor and call him Goycho Saib (Patron of Goa). It is true that St. Francis Xavier suggested that the inquisition be established in his letter to King John III dated 16 May 1546.[19] However it is interesting his letters were not published else where in the books so famously known for his letters but only appears in the writings of Silva Rego’s Documentação para a história das Missões do Padroado Português do Oriente: Índia, Lisboa, 1947-1958 .

“The second necessity for the Christians is that your majesty
establish the Holy Inquisition, because there are many who
live according to the Jewish law, and according to the Mahomedan
sect, without any fear of God or shame of the world. And since
there are many who are spread all over the fortresses, there is
the need of the Holy Inquisition and of many preachers. Your
majesty should provide such necessary things for your loyal and
faithful subjects in India.”
III.1.1. Evaluating the letter.
First of all he mentions that the newly converts were living among the Jews and the Mohammedans and they were falling back to these religious laws to which they formerly belonged. He does not mention idolators, or Hindus or Pagans or Heathen practices.
Secondly, no letter of his ever mentions the need of inquisition in Goa prior to 16 May 1546 nor after that. He wrote aletter to King John III on 20 January 1545 from Kochin, India but no mention of Inquisition. Yet another letter from Kochin on 20th January 1548 to King John III does not mention the inquisition. Another letter to king John III from Kochin on 28 January 1549. One more letter to King John III from Malacca in 1549. Yet another letter to King John III from Malacca on 23 June 1549. Letter from Goa to King John III on 10 April 1552. In all these letters there have never been any mention of the inquisition and in fact he never mentioned inquisition in letters written from mainland India (Kochin and Goa). He wrote only one letter from Amboyna and mostly he visited Amboyna only once. Whereas he visited Kochin several times and was often in Goa. There are more than one letter from Goa and Kochin. None of them mention the need of Inquisition[20].
The letter in which this mention is recorded was in fact written from Aboyna, Malacaus. And he refered to it as India.[21] So what is this place? Amboyna Malacaus is modern day Ambona Island of the Maluku Island districts of Indonesia. Undeniably the presence of the Jews and Muslims there was the most populous. As Goa was considered to be the capital of the Portuguese colonies of the East and every place they discovered was considered to be India, hence the modern name Indo-nesia. Its colonial name was “Indian Islands.”[22] Therefore there is raised a question and doubt, did St. Francis Xavier suggest Inquisition in India as such in particular Goa? Or did he mean specifically Amboyna Malacaus and not any other territory? In his previous and later letters as well he had specifically mentioned Goa…why did he not mention it in this letter?
This has been a fantastic podcast to listen to. Respect to Kushal 🙏. I heard your podcast with Vivekji too. The Goan inquisition history presented by Shefali Vaidya ji was phenomenal to say the least. I have heard some of her other videos reg this topic but not in full. This one I heard the entire podcast. I fully agree when she says that this story needs to be heard, just like the Kashmir Files. I had visited these so called famous churches when I was younger and then I was so awe struck by their history and heritage. After listening to this , I feel like shit. We have been kept from the truth surrounding these structures. They have been built by destroying temples, killing Hindus, converting them and harassing them. How can they be structures of religion and peace ? You cannot build a religious structure on the rubble of another religious structure. I don't think I want to step into them ever , if I go to Goa. It's not out of hate but out of respect for the untold Hindus that had to sacrifice much more than their lives in Goa. And yes the Vatican has to apologize for what happened in Goa. It's a good trend nowadays, first you commit atrocities and then centuries later some religious head goes around apologizing for.what happened. Bloody bullshit. Let's give the Goan temples their due. Make the maximum people aware about this genocide that occurred in Goa. And if you have some respect for the Goan Hindus and Hindus of Bharatvarsh, then avoid going to these colonial structures and visit maximum temples in Goa. I would love to see a museum on the Goan inquisition being built in Goa. However much you may deny this but every Goan today, no matter what faith, was a Hindu once upon a time. Till we don't talk and read about history we will never know , we will repeat and we will never accept. Akhand Bharatvarsh Amar Rahe 🙏🙏🙏🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩
Hi
Can you allow caption for this podcast
I am facing difficulty in tracking conversations.
Friends if you visit Goa please go to Tambi Suluva Mahadeva temple it is the only ancient temple survived in Goa.
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Gustaakhe tayi ki 1 hii saza. Tu tayi ko baar baar bula. Baar baar bula. We love you Shefali tayi 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
It's always great to hear Shefali ji.
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speechless !
@@ramdevchouhan2081 you should ask a quesiton to yourself , why did you choose X nity over Sanatan Dharma ? if you think you are skilled in X nity and think its the ultimate truth then you should also study Sanatan Dharma Ved , Upnishad , Shruti - Smritis , Tantra , Puranas and compare it before assuming you know what god is. Cheers
@@Vayu-Putra u should read divine harmony by Aravindadaksha menon...
Puranas forget.. God's exchanging wives, marrying each other , beheading esch other etc etc
@@ramdevchouhan2081 thats the problem with peoole like you, Presume you understood everything by reading someones book. Your small mind shows you are not an intellect to talk to about the creation, universer, science, space,anatomy,anthology,astronomy, math , physics , matter, which is just a friction of knowledge Sanatan Dharma has given to the world through it . good luck boy 🙏
@@ramdevchouhan2081 you got some issues.
@@ramdevchouhan2081 you need to see a good doctor and once you are cured (hopefully) learn how things used to be 2000 years ago in Bharat.
The original name of goa is " Gomantak" or "Gaumantak".
In kerala we also dnt add salt to rice
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1:03:05 You could 'Imagine' hearing voices, hearing cries?? - You didn't really hear them for sure??
May god bless you🌞
Can anybody tell me the name of book she has written?
She has not written any book on inquisition.. however her uncle who was born 250 years after it wrote a book on the inquisition ;))
Hindu farm land was available to be grabbed under some pretext or other during the inquisition era.
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@Alexios I Komnenos if Shefali wants she can personally tell Modi or some minister about this and ask them for Portugal to apologise or the Pope to apologise.. she meets the big people, politicians etc. What is she waiting for? And why just make videos and earn limelight and few bucks on it.
What a story. Thanks for this both of you 💗
was shefali alive when the inquisition happened? Her uncle Mr Priolikar too was born 250 years after the inquisition. It will be like Chinese whispers yaar. 400 years back people will say that 65 people were tortured. Then 300 years back people will say 3000.. then 100 years back people will say 5000.. today shefali says 16000.
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dude the portuguese were here not to play dandiya but to settle here ,volonise and loot spices, wealth whatever. They must have come for trade and spreading Christianity ...the missionaries came later for that... but whh were the hindu Kings of the nation not so strong n united to not allow such a thing to happen in the first place? Goa was being ruled by muslim King Adil Shah when the pirtuguese came. I bet he destroyed few temples too, converted many as well. Portugal is now a democracy..there are no kings. Modi has signed 11 deals with Portugal Post 2014. One is to build world class port museum somewhere near Kutch .
Ask him , and bjp and shefali to ask the Pope for apologies towards GI
according to the Jewish books, there was a prophecy that someone will be born to a young woman who would be a saviour to the entire world.. that's Jesus. According to his disciples he performed miracles, spoke about His father in heaven..and when he died , he resurrected. His tomb was empty. His resurrection too was predicted.
Christians believe he was am incarnate of God in heaven. And now pray to him and follow his teachings.
Rome accepted xtianity first( they were the main persecutors of Jesus and the Jews) and then they wanted to spread it around the world. The first Bible was written in Greek as most parts of the world were ruled by Greeks, so it was a language adopted by most.. then translated to hebrew, then other languages like English etc. But no where in the bible it says convert by force.. if any xtian has done it ,be it xavier.. he was wrong.
I think the Pope should issue a formal apology for the inquisition, if he has anything resembling a conscience left.
That this was done in the name of Christ, is even more shameful and demonic.
The GOI should put forth the request...
However Nehruvian Secularism is what makes the problem.
I think bihar govt should issue an apology to orissa govt for destruction of kalinga under ashoka
Not the pope the Portuguese government, as this was was done by tje Portuguese crown
@@shounakkossambe8109 had samrat Ashok's dinasty still been ruling, sure they should hv extended such apologia. But that's not the case so this attempt to draw parallels is illogical. Secondly, Maurya and Kalinga were fighting battles. Albeit the war was most brutal but there was no religious percecution of native peasants by aggresive foreign feudals.
As against in this case, said institution still functions, the very same institution which conferred the sainthood to butchers - so apologia is due from them.
Modi should also appologize for all the Atrocities happening in the Country, happening in today date!!!
What u sow u shall reap......
You asked about Kerala . There is a difference with Goa The Portugese converted Goa to Roman Catholic. Christanity arrvied in Kerala long before the Portugese. As you probably know the great sism occured on July 15/1054 when the Catholic Church broke away from the Orthodox Church and at that break there actually was a bishop of Malabar at the meeting. Christianity as you know as a Jewish sect. There were Jewish Spice traders in Kerala at the time some of whom seemed to be Christian known as St. Thomas Christians as they claimed Apostalic sucession from Thomas, just like the Catholics claim apostalic sucession from Peter. Later 4th Century Persian Christians arrived, and then Christians from greater Sryia in 6th century this mixture were called the "Theckanbagers Those who had be converted from Hindus were called "Wadkanbagers, early on the two groups would not marry but later when they started to mix they created a marriage cerimony different from Christians anywhere in the world , Christians all over the world exchange rings between the bride and groom but the St. Thomas Christians not only do that but groom ties a chain with a cross around the neck of the bride (the ring comes from the Thetkanbagers and the Necklace from the Wadkanbagers whose ancestors were Hindu) In 1982 I bought a book some time before leaving India written by a Dr. Titus Varegese who the book said was a retired professur from Madras Christian College, I've lost it It also talks about the Catholics and Othodox fighting each other as the newly arrived Portuguse want them to accept the pope and break from the Patriarch. very interesting the Orthdox took an oath before the "Koonen Cruz" saying they would never accept the Pope . I don't know if you can find thebook it is very interesting it shows Christianity came to Kerala in the first century and was protected by the local king who gave land to the Theckangers on side of the town and the wadakanbagers on the other. My sister traced my mother's family to the first century Jewish spice traders called Bagdadi Jews but my fathers to only to 1800s
Paras, please!
What is the name of the Khandepar temple ?
Mam Please publish a book on Goa attrocities
Can read 'The Goa Inquisition' by Anant Kakba Priolkar.
Being Goan I'm requesting shefali ma'am to raise the issue of compulsion of Konkani subject in primary schools atleast.... (Right now which is an optional language)
Shefali is very influential. She knows Modi and all top brass. Rather than making videos, she should raise such issues, konkani, apologies for Goa inquisition with top brass etc
it's ironic how yourl all talk about foreign inquisition but wanna go abroad to work and study
Its ironic to have appeasing minds who are ignorant of their past :)
What do you mean by living murtis?
Goans should come out of their colonial hangover and they can start doing that by first renaming each and every portuguese sounding place into Konkani.
E.g., Panjim -> Panaji.
Quepem -> Kepe.
Sanquelim -> Sankhali.
Bardez -> Baradesh.
Mapusa -> Mhapsa.
to name a few...
U know are people 🙂 they will create a ride about this, especially the woke goans🙂 then it will become difficult to restore the goan culture
@@AdityaMishra-zn1pd who cares about the wokes? Just do what needs to be done.
@@siddheshshanbhag I am ready for the changes,fuck them
It was the Hindu king who invited the Portuguese to overthrow the Muslims (Bijapur king) in Goa? What is the point of blaming the Christians now?
@@ramdevchouhan2081 [["Let me first begin with our beloved St. Francis Xavier whom the Goans whether Catholic or Non Catholic alike in Goa (even Hindus) revere with such honor and call him Goycho Saib (Patron of Goa)."]] With this comment, you seem to be a non-Goan. By your comment above, it looks like you are trying to disunite Hindus and Christians in Goa
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No I'm not. Just saying was Shefali alive when the inquisition happened? Her uncle Mr Priolikar too was born 250 years after the inquisition. It will be like Chinese whispers yaar. 400 years back people will say that 65 people were tortured. Then 300 years back people will say 3000.. then 100 years back people will say 5000.. today shefali says 16000.
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the portuguese were here not to play dandiya but to settle here ,volonise and loot spices, wealth whatever. They must have come for trade and spreading Christianity ...the missionaries came later for that... but whh were the hindu Kings of the nation not so strong n united to not allow such a thing to happen in the first place? Goa was being ruled by muslim King Adil Shah when the pirtuguese came. I bet he destroyed few temples too, converted many as well. Portugal is now a democracy..there are no kings.
@@ramdevchouhan2081 then we wouldn't count it as a primary source. If her uncle wrote the book using other primary sources we will classify it below primary.
You support genocide and barbarism jst because portuguese were christians.........So whts wrong muslims supporting hamas so u r no better then a terrorist supporting killings of innocent lives.....
see how religion has worked on u.....ur supporting killings jst because portuguese were christians
Much needed
Some spread the news that he destroyed the culture but the letters prove that he actually learned the native languages, roamed with native people and ate their food. What about his clothings? Well he could not do anything about it because as a Priest it is demanded of every priest that they remain in their Cassock all the time. Certain liberties were rewarded only after the second Vatican Council (1962-1965).
The inquisition was meant for wiping out Hindu religion and many were burnt at stakes and executed…how true is it?
All the historians agree that the inquisition was not meant for any other but the Newly convert Christians who were falling back to their old practices.
Francis Pyrard, a French traveller, was in Goa during the
period July 1608 to January 1610. In his account of his travels
he gives the following information of the Inquisition of Goa :
The Indian Gentiles and Moors, of whatsover religion,
are not subject to this Inquisition unless they have become
Christians, and even then are not so rigorously dealt with as the Portuguese or New Christians from Portugal, or other Christians
from Europe. But if peradventure an Indian, Moor, or Gentile
inhabitant of Goa, had dissuaded or hindered another that was
minded to become Christian, and that was proved against him, he
would be punished by the Inquisition, as would be he who has
caused another to quit Christianity; such cases often happen.
The reason why they treat these Indian thus rigorously is that
they suppose tluit they cannot be so steadfast in the faith as the old
Christians ; also that it will prevent the rest from being led astray.
For the same reason, too, they permit them to retain some of their
petty Gentile and Mahomedan superstitions, such as not eating
pork or beef, not drinking wine, and keeping to their former
dress and ornaments, that is among men as well as women that
are become Christians.[27]
In fact there are evidences that the Portuguese brought about certain reforms in the society which the Hindu community had imposed on others and oppressed the lower class and women. For example the Portuguese dealt strictly with Sati.
“ No Hindu woman, living in the territories of Salsete or
Bardez, or in this island of Goa or any other island annexed thereto,
shall bum herself alive on account
In fact there are evidences that the Portuguese brought about certain reforms in the society which the Hindu community had imposed on others and oppressed the lower class and women. For example the Portuguese dealt strictly with Sati.
“ No Hindu woman, living in the territories of Salsete or
Bardez, or in this island of Goa or any other island annexed thereto,
shall bum herself alive on account of the death of her husband.
Any person who causes such a woman to be burnt alive, or for that
purpose render an advice or help, be he a relation of the woman who
has burnt herself or not, shall be liable to the penalty of loss of his entire estate, one half to the person who denounces him and the other for the works of the home of Apostle St. Thomas, and im¬ prisonment for life.[28]
There were forced conversions. Really? The Newly converts were forcefully converted and were returning to their old religion out of love for it…really?? Hindus were persecuted and temples were broken down. How true is it and Was it a regular event?
This is a big question. In fact these are many questions. I formally thought of addressing it one by one but these are interconnected and I may repeat things again and again that’s why I thought of integrating them together. And once again I would like to remind that we need to move from interpreting history to interpreting history in its context and circumstances. We cannot interpret histories according to the mindset and concepts of today. Just some decades ago, some tribes of the African deserts were cannibals, they have recently stopped their taste for human meat. Can you still judge them?
III.3.1. NO FORCED CONVERSIONS AS REGULAR PATTERN
Well, it is true that Afonso Albuquerque used a very easy technique to get the people to be Christians. However, we should know that it was the part of agreement with the local Hindus and the Portuguese under Albuquerque when they sought his help to fight the Muslims. If they were not happy with it shouldn’t they have rather died for their religion instead of converting to new one? Bragging about the situation makes no sense. Therefore, what people like Shefali try to show a picture is that they were forced. Not at all, they had a choice and an agreement. If you ask me whether there forced conversions in times of St. Francis Xavier or if he forcefully converted anyone the I would give a certainly NO.
Let me first begin by saying that in the year 1567 the Portuguese King had come out with the edict that no one should be forced to convert or there would be severe punishment.
“ In the first place it is hereby laid down that it is not lawful
to bring to our faith and baptism any person by force with threats
and terror, because no one comes to Christ by faith unless brought
by the Celestial father with voluntary love and prevenient grace.
Just as a person if by his free will he succumbs to the temptations
of the Devil, perishes, so also if he responds to the call and grace
of God he saves himself. The unbelievers should be brought to
the true faith by the example of our lives, preaching of the
truth of our law and the confutation of their errors so that by
recognition of these things, they will give up their lies, and be
received in Christ, who is the way, the truth and the life. Those
who wish to bring the unbelievers to the true faith must also seek
to cultivate gentleness and goodness in order that they may win
persons to Christ, not merely by their preachings but also by kindness, courtesy and service .”[29]
We should evaluate this edict. It was not merely any other order with a selfish motive behind the mind of the King to protect trade but a deep theological discourse. First of all he quotes the Scriptures to draw his conclusion.
no one comes to Christ by faith unless brought
by the Celestial father with voluntary love and prevenient grace.
a) First off, it was a hindu Timoja in greed of power, who brought the Portuguese to Goa to fight the muslim ruler Adil Shah. The Portugese fought multiple hard battles, why would they gift it to Timoja, the Portugese retained Goa as their capital.
b) St.Francis Xavier wrote a letter for Inquisition, but died even before the Inquisition was started by the Portuguese.
c) Church did the Inquisitions (enquiry), but was carried out by the Rulers, Moreover the Inquisitions were on the New Christian converts who fell for their past heretic beliefs of human sacrifice or black magic practices, It was not on people of other religions.
d) In 235 years about 60 - 100 people were burnt at stake, considering the Portuguese as an occupying colonial power this is a very low number for 235 years of rule. Caste based killing would easily outnumber 60 - 100 people in less than 10 years.
Pope is apologizing to those who had already converted to Christianity and lost their culture. In case of Goa, majority is still Hindu so apologizing to Hindus can destroy Christian conversation mission in India.
if Shefali wants she can personally tell Modi or some minister about this and ask them for Portugal to apologise or the Pope to apologise.. she meets the big people, politicians etc. What is she waiting for? And why just make videos and earn limelight and few bucks on it.
Why tf should pope apologize? Do you go and ask every hindu brahmin to apologize to a dalit?
@@user-ml4ps5cq3v Why pope apologized to native American then.
@@npatel7775 the Americans living in America aren't exactly Americans they're Europeans who settled there due to colonization, unlike India where colonizers have left
@@user-ml4ps5cq3v Oh! Now I have to spoon feed you. Pope is representative of the Catholic institute and in history you will find many institution head apologizing for wrong doing of their predecessors like Volkswagen apologized for using Jewish slaves, Catholic church apologized for Jewish pogrom, Japanese state apologizing for Nanjing Massacres etc.
The reason why is because it is on going
This is the first time I enjoyed listening to Shefali Ji.
FRANCIS XAVIER RESPONSIBLE FOR THE INQUISITION?
Let me first begin with our beloved St. Francis Xavier whom the Goans whether Catholic or Non Catholic alike in Goa (even Hindus) revere with such honor and call him Goycho Saib (Patron of Goa). It is true that St. Francis Xavier suggested that the inquisition be established in his letter to King John III dated 16 May 1546.[19] However it is interesting his letters were not published else where in the books so famously known for his letters but only appears in the writings of Silva Rego’s Documentação para a história das Missões do Padroado Português do Oriente: Índia, Lisboa, 1947-1958 .

“The second necessity for the Christians is that your majesty
establish the Holy Inquisition, because there are many who
live according to the Jewish law, and according to the Mahomedan
sect, without any fear of God or shame of the world. And since
there are many who are spread all over the fortresses, there is
the need of the Holy Inquisition and of many preachers. Your
majesty should provide such necessary things for your loyal and
faithful subjects in India.”
III.1.1. Evaluating the letter.
First of all he mentions that the newly converts were living among the Jews and the Mohammedans and they were falling back to these religious laws to which they formerly belonged. He does not mention idolators, or Hindus or Pagans or Heathen practices.
Secondly, no letter of his ever mentions the need of inquisition in Goa prior to 16 May 1546 nor after that. He wrote aletter to King John III on 20 January 1545 from Kochin, India but no mention of Inquisition. Yet another letter from Kochin on 20th January 1548 to King John III does not mention the inquisition. Another letter to king John III from Kochin on 28 January 1549. One more letter to King John III from Malacca in 1549. Yet another letter to King John III from Malacca on 23 June 1549. Letter from Goa to King John III on 10 April 1552. In all these letters there have never been any mention of the inquisition and in fact he never mentioned inquisition in letters written from mainland India (Kochin and Goa). He wrote only one letter from Amboyna and mostly he visited Amboyna only once. Whereas he visited Kochin several times and was often in Goa. There are more than one letter from Goa and Kochin. None of them mention the need of Inquisition[20].
The letter in which this mention is recorded was in fact written from Aboyna, Malacaus. And he refered to it as India.[21] So what is this place? Amboyna Malacaus is modern day Ambona Island of the Maluku Island districts of Indonesia. Undeniably the presence of the Jews and Muslims there was the most populous. As Goa was considered to be the capital of the Portuguese colonies of the East and every place they discovered was considered to be India, hence the modern name Indo-nesia. Its colonial name was “Indian Islands.”[22] Therefore there is raised a question and doubt, did St. Francis Xavier suggest Inquisition in India as such in particular Goa? Or did he mean specifically Amboyna Malacaus and not any other territory? In his previous and later letters as well he had specifically mentioned Goa…why did he not mention it in this letter?
39:24 i am a product of point 3 and was totally unaware of the brutality until a couple of years ago.
The caste system as it exists today is the result of developments during the rise of the British colonial government in India. The British Raj furthered this development, making RIGID caste organisation a central mechanism of administration. 1860 the British formulated the caste system into their system of governance, granting administrative jobs and senior appointments only to Christians and people belonging to certain castes.
India provides specific representation to lower caste in education, employment and politics. Based on provisions in the Indian Constitution, it allows the Indian government to set reserved seats, which lower the qualifications needed in exams, job openings etc.
Massive protests, who claimed that the government's proposal was discriminatory, discarded meritocracy and was driven by lower caste vote-bank politics.
You have not explain what happened to muslim people in goa after conquering Goa by Portuguese please make documentary on this
The Catholic Church never likes their evil past to be dug up, the more the Goa Inquisition is exposed for the draconian past.
Only way to get the Catholic Church to apologize is not to allow the Pope to visit India until he apologizes for the atrocities committed by the church in India, only strong arm techniques need to done.
So does the temples that never allowed dalits to enter and killed so many, lol as if the pop would want to visit India. In fact MODI went to vistaar him not the other way around
Could not control my emotions. Good articulation. Thanks
Also portuguese left behind potatoes, tomatoes,chillies, beans perus, custard apples, bread. Today we all eat it and love it. We love our vada pav. Masala dosa, tomato dal, rasam,mirchi bhaji.
Shefali grows all these products I'm her garden as well. But we need to support our farmers.
Happus mangoes were grafted by portuguese named after Alphonso albuquere. Cashew nuts plants were brought by them too.
U knew all this as a Goan?
@@ramdevchouhan2081 We should be alive first to eat these .
@Shefali Vaidya - Under your topic "The Terror and the Torture" -Yiu mentioned a point "That Proof needed to be provided", as atleast it's not like today's time where communities are assault without any lack of proof, but merely upon one's assumptions! - What have you got to say about that??
and those people who assault without lack of proof are arrested, tried, and jailed which is how the law should work. Not honored or complimented with benefits.
@@pramod_p5 Not unless, it's provoked! Keep that in mind too!!
First Stop Rice Bag conversion racket by missioanries
Do you know what your ancestors did to dalits and low cast Indian or goan will you apologise to them or keep telling this created storys to people who don't know anything about Goa
May I know who converted hindu into Christian in Gujarat?
There should be a movie on goa too just like kashmir files
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Jai Sambhaji Maharaj 🚩🚩
Sambhaji maharaaj was really close to winning endgame on both expeditions - Goa portugese and Janjira siddi. He had to call off both times due to Mughal advances in western maharashtra. Wish he had succeeded.
Adil shah ruled goa and the Portuguese defeated him. Also the kings that ruled goa before them constantly invaded each other and invasions involve violence of those times.