All Checo’s wins for redbull have come when Max has either had an issue in quali or the race. So he may win more… but it’s out of his hands, he has to rely on Max having other issues between now and the end of the season. 🤷♂️
Yes, definitely. Recently, Helmut Marko even said that Albon would have probably done much better and kept his seat if his confidence hadn't been broken by Hamilton crashing into him in Brazil 2019 and Austria 2020.
Albon seems to be in the same position of Lando, the team wants them but the team isn't providing the best car. Albon does have the experience of a top team unlike Lando and being chewed up then thrown away when he doesn't work anymore so I would say he is less likely to make a big jump. Williams has investment now, they are getting new staff and the team principle change is working well so the only thing holding them back now is facilities but they should be able to get past Haas, Alfa and Alpha Tauri if they stick on their current course.
I want Matt and Tommy to live react to WillFP1's 2 "ferrari's awful 2022 season documented " videos, the PTSD kicking in will be glorious, top content for the Summerbreak ;)
Think Hulk has been done dirty by these rankings tbh. He puts the car in places it has no right to be in quali and through no fault of his own goes backwards in the race. Feels v harsh having him so low.
Well I think this is the average of the ratings over the course of the season so he got a bunch of low grades in the races where he didn't do too well and it brought the average down
@AzureKite I think the average system they're doing instead of the eye test is what skewed a lot of results. What have you done for me lately and how have you performed in relation to your teammate and how good is your car compared to the field
average ratings, this eliminates the "emotional" factor, like saying "it's harsh", when he's clearly not delivering. Like Tsunoda has 1 more points than him, and he's driving the slowest car this year.
@@Kaimax61 Hulk has 6 points more than Tsunoda so I don’t know what you’re talking about. The problem I have with their race day ratings is that it’s heavily skewed towards the cars at the front. Someone like Checo finishing in 3rd in the fastest car will end up getting a higher rating than a Haas finishing 13th, despite the fact that Checo would be underperforming relative to his car whereas the Haas would be where it’s expected to be.
I love the pod but the Sainz chat sometimes is baffling….the analysis of how the grid would look like without redbull in a previous video had Sainz on multiple podiums...hoped it would open their eyes a bit. The new pods since have been the same. In this video, Tommy said he’s been up and down but consistent…make it make sense 😂
@@SputnikRSS1 Because iSainz has higher expectations on that Ferarri. Yuki clearly outperforms his car, and Ocon actually won 3rd once, meanwhile sainz still can't get a podium in that ferrari.
@@Kaimax61 but why is he so far behind Leclerc and Russell in these rankings when he’s 7 points behind in the standings. Same expectation in car, same points and yet viewed more negatively as them
What I like about this list is that even though it's unbiased, it shows what everyone (at least most) F1 think, and that's the fact that Max, Alonso, and Hamilton are just better drivers than everyone else. Sure, Lando, Charles, George, and others can deliver when the conditions are right and the stars align, but these three have been dominating the sport for years for a reason.
or maybe they have more experience, I am a max fan but you cant beat the raw pace of charles. He neeeds time to fix. Nando ham ver are already way too experinced
@anurag15271 I think Max is faster, but he knows he does not need a pole to win the race, so he does not drive on the edge. Look at the Monaco pole to see what happens when Max opens it up. Charles overdrives the car and tends to crash it, like a lot
I really like the objectivity of the pro-rated scores across the season. It does eliminate the emotional connection and recency bias, even when you feel it should be different. The biggest example of this for me is RUS ranking, which for me emotionally should have been 6th or 7th. Good job with this.
But these rankings have put Perez comfortably in the top 10 when he’s been one of the worst drivers this year. 1st and 2nd places are what he SHOULD be getting-anything else is underperforming, let alone what he’s doing in qualifying.
@@jamespoole3531 hi there. No debate, we pretty much all agree with you, but ... context is everything. This specific scoring metric: - Is NOT based on looking back over the 12 races and assessing the overall performance with every race in the rearview mirror. - Is based on the scores which were given by Matt & Tommy after each race this season. So let's use Perez as an example, the first couple of races Perez underperformed, he likely scored well based on a significant recovery drive. If they had a silver ball and knew it was going to be one mess up after the other, he might have received a worse score per race. This approach is different for sure, but it's interesting because it removes the subjectivity of "Perez can't be in the top 10, because he's driving the best car on the grid and failed to make Q3 5 races in a row". It's each moment in time added together and divided by number of races.
@@cgf72 i agree with your point...but perez underperformed the first couple of races? what do you mean, he was p2, p1, p2, p1, p2 to start the season? he fell off in monaco
How are people constantly saying that zhou is doing great and Bottas terrible while bottas is clearly ahead in both qualifying and race finishes. If the car wasn’t so bad the points gap would also be much bigger. I don’t think bottas is doing that good tbh but I really don’t understand where all the praise for zhou is coming from while constantly finishing behind a „washed“ driver
Isn't it pointless to compare Bottas with Zhou? AR has the worst tyre change, the (almost) worst car, and endless technical issues. and has no team principal and no CTO. No driver can survive that. The only hope is that the new CTO JKey could really develop a solid car for the next year,.
I think Albon would do well paired with Fernando at Aston Martin. Really think Stroll has had his time and chance. It's ridiculously clear why he still has a seat.
That’s a pairing I’ve never considered before and it sounds great. Only thing I’d say is I really think Albon has made Williams his own and I think the trajectory they’re on could be really promising.
I couldn't agree more, I think albon would work well in an aspirational team, and he could learn so much by being by the side Alonso. I mean realistically what is Stroll bringing to the table? And here I thought Bollywood is full of nepotism, this father son duo has put them to shame.
Lance will *never* get fired. Daddy Stroll bought the team FOR Lance. In fact, I'm not even sure Lance wants to be in that seat as badly as Lawrence wants him there. AMR exists because of Lance Stroll. He isn't going anywhere. Lawrence Stroll is the low key abusive sports dad reliving his glory days or enacting his fantasy about his missed opportunities by forcing his kid to excel in a sport the kid doesn't care about.
@@sheldoniusRex I think that was true at the start but now Aston Martin really wants to be taken seriously and will surely want to have be best drivers possible when chances to get a title increase. By now Lawrence has already realised his son will never win a title.
expanding more on max's consistency, I think that it's even more difficult to be consistent with a season that has so many more races. people think that having more races makes it easier to break records but no, the longer season is taxing to the mind and body both and having to deliver week after week with literally little to no rest in between is tremendous
The guy has been a an absolute machine, and it's so many things, the car is amazing, his calm measured approach, his confidence in the team, the car and himself, his perfect measured aggression when it is required and above all his scintillating pace, it's all just above and beyond what I've ever seen in F1.
@@Bart-86 Ye its pretty bad hes even close to hamilton on the standings LOL. Hamilton shown levels to GR so far and hamilton always gets better second half
Considering the time he’s had in F1 to develop, I don’t think we can grade Stroll as higher than Logan. I always thought he deserved to be in F1, albeit in a back marker or mid field car, but boy was I wrong. It probably won’t happen but I hope Stroll leaves place for younger talent.
Stroll has been better in previous years than this one. Just a bit tired of it all probably. How would you cope with it if you are being called daddy's cash year in and year out. It's a bit sad really, bcs I think he doesn't want to be there anymore
Man's been in F1 for nearly 6 years, 6 years! If the guy can't learn to be consistent after 6 years it's never gonna happen! I think someone on The Race called him a 'more boring Pastor Maldonado' and I can't think of a better comparison.
You weren't wrong, he deserved to be in F1, he wasn't much off the pace compared to his past teammates. But this year he's been terrible, needs the boot.
It's frustrating because I think Stroll COULD be good. He's been pretty good at some stages of his career and he showed that a couple times this year I just don't see how he can be so inconsistant
@@yrgkyt3372I agree with you on Sainz, and so do Matt and Tommy actually. But Leclerc is about where he should be imo. Can we really say he’s consistently been better than the likes of Norris or Russell? He’s had those awesome highs, but he’s also had some pretty bad lows, especially in mixed conditions where he’d just get blown away by his teammate for no clear reason.
@@raycodv267 Norris? Mb not. Russell? Ofc. Perez too. RUS and PER were really bad in the first half while Leclerc had his highs unlike Russell, and lows werent as bad and frequent as Perez’s
This Sainz criticism is so silly. He’s only 7p off of Charles and delivers far more consistency on record. Is he the qualifying guru that Charles is? No. Can he deliver? Absolutely.
? He's 6th in drivers tied on points with Leclerc at 5th and you can't really seriously say that the Merc has been in any way a better car than Ferrari this year.
Strolls gotten worse season on season and its a shame since his dad bought the team. It's a shame considering he seemed like he could at least be an average midfield driver.
Lawrence Stroll is the low-key abusive sports dad reliving his glory days or enacting his fantasy about his missed opportunities by forcing his kid to excel in a sport the kid doesn't care about.
You would expect him to be. But these ratings aren't just based on pure results. Yes, Bottas is better than Zhou, but not by a lot considering this is his 11th season in F1. And at the end of the day, the results show that Zhou only has one less point than Bottas this season, no matter which way you look at it.
Honestly, anyone who says it's just the car is absolutely insane. The performances Max, Lewis & Nando have pulled throughout their careers is exceptional. They truly are 3 of the greatest talents the sport has ever seen.
Fernando is the greatest racing driver ever. 20 years at the peak of motorsports. Unbelievably talented and persistent. Nobody else has ever had that longevity.
Both of you having Sainz outside the top 10 seems quite harsh. I would argue that he has been much more consistent than Leclerc, and has been unlucky to not have a podium by now. There is an argument that Sainz has been better than Leclerc this season
@@gameofender4463Charles always was overrated in my opinion. Yes on some days he delivers on par with Verstappen. But in the end he is waaaay to inconsistent and just doesn't use his chances enough. And thats whats seperates a great driver from a championship winning driver
Where is this Sainz consistency everyone talks about? Crashed into Alonso in Melbourne to drop out of the points. Crashed into Piastri just last race. Dropped a bunch of positions in Austria due to track limits. Sainz makes just as many mistakes if not MORE than Leclerc. He's usually just in such a low position that no one remembers them.
I think if I would change something I would put LEC and SAI closer together, PER lower, I also feel like the gap between ALO and HAM is too big because he got too high ratings at the start of the season when people refused to believe that Aston was the second best car.
George has been completely anonymous this year, flubs qualy half the time, drives into people and crashes by himself. Can ANYBODY give a reason he is ranked so high?? He's performing reletive to stroll vs where HAM finishes..
8:10 I think that looking on raw results Bottas is more impressive. 5 Best result outside of top 10: Bottas: 11,11,12,12,12 Zhou: 12,13,13,13,15 But considering the fact that It's Valtteri's 11th season already and Zhou's 2nd, Bottas should be doing better.
Isn't zhou a pay driver? Or did he switch from pay driver to paid ? Either way. Bottas is showing he'a not much better than zhou. Which is not very good
Valterri should be doing better. He used to be able to occasionally beat Lewis in races/qualis, but the fact that he's now being outperformed on occasion by a teammate with much less experience shows that Valterri has definitely dropped off in performance.
It would be interesting to see this list as ratings points scored, a "P1 Drivers Championship" if you will, might help balance out the Danny Ric anomaly.
I agree with Tommy's ratings except for Daniel's because he only drove 2 races so we don't really know how good he is compared with the other drivers and Yuki
Lance's situation will forever be strange. Probably doesnt deserve to still be on the grid, doesnt show that he has the motivation to be a better driver and almost looks like the Alonso performances have deflated him a bit to be honest.
Lawrence Stroll is the low key abusive sports dad reliving his glory days or enacting his fantasy about his missed opportunities by forcing his kid to excel in a sport the kid doesn't care about.
Sainz is so underrated… he might not get the poles like Charles but everyone acts like he’s miles away from him every year.. last year being the exception but Sainz was ahead of Charles all year until recently, and beat Charles in the standings in 2021 coming in as the new driver..
Last year when the car was race winning and when they didn't suck he was in the gravel while Charles was getting grand slams. Beat in standings because of luck. Can't beat him in poles, wins, points this year or last year even though Charles had worse luck than him lmao
Nah, he was underrated coming into the 2021 season, then when he beat Charles people thought he could do it again in 2022, almost got a bit overrated in 2022. He is pretty fairly rated now, people know how good he is but also see that he isnt as fast as Charles but can keep up with him
Sainz is the most underrated driver on the grid. He had a rough season last year but he beat Leclerc in 2021 in his first year at Ferrari. He's only just been overtaken by Leclerc in the standings and has a real chance at beating him this year again. To have him that low down is WILD
Yes very harsh. Particularly blaming him for Spa when the stewards treated it as a turn 1 racing incident. Everyone knows 3 into 2 doesn't go at that corner and a dive down the inside usually ends in tears. Obviously didn't watch the Palmer analysis.
@@lewismaxvaltteri Im not saying he should be ahead of leclerc, but having riccardo ahead of him in one list and having george russell in 4th in the other... 13th is not fair to him
To Sargeant’s credit, it’s not like he’s Mazepin or even Mick who seemingly found a way to crash every other weekend. He’s a below average driver in a below average car, but at least he’s not costing Williams a ton of money in repairs
i would love to see a line graph that charts each of the driver's scores over the season while you talk about the average. that way we can get a nice look at the highs and lows, and how they've progressed over time (according to your ratings, of course)
I agree that Sainz has made more errors than Leclerc, but I feel like we're pretending he wasn't ahead of Leclerc in the standings up until the last race despite being treated as the number 2 driver
He was ahead in the standings because Leclerc got an engine issue in the first race (while being P2) which resulted in a 10 place grid penalty in the second race. He lost something like 22 to 30 points in these two races to no fault of his own.
Indeed, but Leclerc hasn't been able to close that point gap in the next 9 races passing Sainz just because Sainz got involved in a racing incident at Spa. The point is, their difference in skills is not as big as media and yt commentators are depicting
i agree so much with the top 3. although lewis is my favorite, alonso is actually doing insane things this year and max, omg. what a talent! he already was so so good and he just keeps getting better. i just wish he had competition hahahah from someone
If I had to do it manually for me it goes like this 1) Verstappen 2) Alonso 3) Hamilton 4) Norris 5) Perez 6) Leclerc 7) Russel 8) Sainz 9) Albon 10) Piastri 11) Ocon 12) Gasly 13) Tsunoda 14) Stroll 15) Hulkenberg 16) Zhou 17) Bottas 18) Sergeant 19) Magnussen 20) Ricciardo (he only had 2 races I can’t place him higher 21) Nick de Vries
"He can't be bargained with, he can't be reasoned with. He doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear, and he absolutely will not stop, EVER, until he wins." Max, basically
Alonso has been great this season but a lot of his crazy high grades came when we were totally shocked that the AM was the 2nd fastest car. Had Lewis started the season the same way I'm not sure he'd have been receiving 10s like Alonso did simply because we expect stuff like that from him and Mercedes. But now we're more used to where each team is. Not saying the bias would've been that much, I'd still have Alonso in the top 3 with the top 3 all being comfortably ahead of anyone else. Also this is just my opinion.
Magnussen should be beating Hulkenberg and I think he will be once the car develops. That said, in the races magnussen has been besting Hulkenberg (not looking too much at placement but more laptimes) so actually luck or lack thereof seems to be a factor in the results. Kmag also opted for running with Hulkenbergs setup seeing hos onelap speed but that turned out to be a poor choice as speed just bleeds out as the tires fade away in the race. Magnussen will bounce back no doubt.
Good job for getting paid, but please pick better sponsorships than BetterHelp. They are not a good company, despite their mass spending on PR. Please don't lead people astray especially when it comes to mental health. AG1 is one thing, but I hope your sponsorship quality improves!
It's always disappointing knowing how much I liked Matt years ago before he tried to be an analyst but he just can't get out of his own way with his lewis fandom and he only interacts with other brits who have the same issue. lewis is never a top 3 driver and never has been. Only good because of his car and only loses ground to slower cars never beats faster cars. He's a zero time world champion and a 6 time Mercedes team champ with one other championship coming from nefarious means.
One BIG SUGGESTION for you is that when you show the rating boards on the left and right, PLEASE make them full screen and block your faces out for a few seconds. While watching on phone its so hard to see the rating number.
Nice video guys, thank you for the upload I know that this ranking is an average of all races, so I'll just restrict my opinion to the qualitative ranking. I agree with most of the ranking, I just have the following remarks: 1) Carlos Sainz: It seems to me that this ranking is way too harsh for him, not least because it has been a year in which he has followed Leclerc well, being superior in some races and qualies. Even after the last DNF he is only 7 points behind Leclerc. I would put him below Leclerc but with a similar ranking to Russell (for instance the gap between Hamilton and Russell this year has been quite bigger than the one between Leclerc and Sainz) 2) Valteri Bottas: Given that he's driving a tractor with no pace and no reliability, not to mention terrible starts and bad pit stops, probably the worst car on the grid (alongside Haas), I think he is invisible but solid, scoring points in two races and placing P11 twice and P12 three times. Some h2h results against highly rated/hyped drivers in this ranking. Quali - Bottas 8-4 Zhou ; Bottas 6-6 Albon ; Bottas 7-5 Tsunoda Race - Bottas 8-4 Zhou ; Bottas 6-6 Albon ; Bottas 6-6 Tsunoda I would place him next to Hulkenberg, just below the Alpines. 3) Alex Albon: I'm going to be a little unpopular here. I think Williams this year is "only" the 4th worst car on the grid, with good potential for certain circuits, and remember that the benchmark here is Logan Sargeant, a rookie driver with 1 year of experience in F2. Don't get me wrong, Albon is a good driver and he is having a very good season proving that he deserves another chance in a competitive car, but I think you are putting some steroids on him. I would put him above Tsunoda, but more equivalent with Piastri (who I think should be ranked a little higher) 4) Daniel Riccardo: I think he should not be in this ranking yet, with only one interesting sprint race and a P13 and P16 ending.
can you guys also add the standard deviation of the average grades? Checo would have a high one as he got a zero and high grades. I am curious about the other drivers deviations.
Matt had Alonso 7 TENTHS ahead of Lewis. They are tied at best. Both killing their teammates and extracting the most but Lewis hasn’t spun his car and ruined his race so how’s he so far below
Idk how to feel about Danny so far up with only 2 races, too early to judge imo but thats what happens when RB can't build up drivers anymore and have to relly on drivers who alredy have years of experience
I disagree with you Matt, P21 is somewhat special when there's only 20 on your list. if DeVries is a Pokémon he must be a super super rare one. #TeamDeVries
Alonso rated too high, he did well when their car was just so much better than everyone but Max, and as soon as any team brought upgrades he dropped. He did well getting podiums when they had the 2nd best car but I don't think he's been better than Lewis, Leclerc, Lando.
I get that y’all’s order is based off the average of you race grades. But I haven’t graded them. This is how I would rank them overall this year. Max Alonso Lewis Norris Perez (still has been pretty good for as bad as he has been) Leclerc George Sainz Alex Ocon Gasly Piastri (only has half the points of Norris) Nico Stroll Bottas Zhou Yuki DaniRic (too early to really rank) Kmag Sargeant De vries
Fernandos score is maybe a bit too high at the start of the season in my opinion based on where Aston used to be last year. but i dont want to take anything away from him, maybe just 1 point per race week (meaning 8 instead of 9 and so on)... still way better than Lance, who i would argue we could downgrade just the oposite to Fernando (6 into 5 and so on for example)
@@arhamimam8547 thats your opinion. the hype of potential alonso fighting for wins or even championship blinds his fans a bit. but i cant blame them to be honest, what a spectacle would it be if Fernando and Lewis would join in the fight for the title with Max...that would be a banger and a half
I swear everytime they talk about Bottas and Zhou, they give Bottas the lower rating because they "expect more", but always gives Zhou they excuse of "the Alfa car is horrible".
11 years season driver vs 2 years rookie. Of course they're expecting more from someone who sometimes can beat Hamilton in the same machinery. But in reality, Bottas is only leading 1 point on zhou. He shouldn't be "On Par" with zhou.
It strikes me how some drivers were hyped like the next best thing since sliced bread when they began, but fell through like a soufflé when there. I blame the ban on testing, they have no way of getting comfortable before getting thrown into the pit of lava. A simulator just doesn’t cut it, she said. De Vries was ok, maybe not for F1 but he can drive alright. Sargeant was a golden boy. Bottas was once, long ago. The Hulk was untouchable in A1GP. Are those predictions really that much off the mark? Then something must be wrong with the learning curve. Max only did karts and one season in F3. But he came through, ignoring the accepted ladder of learning completely. That tells me the ladder is wrong.
19:5022:42 Russell has not been far from Hamilton but has just been really unlucky at times 23:53 He will not be able to compete with Max 24:10 Clearly? I think Lando could also be in contention. 24:18 It's probably overrated because everyone forgets Russell's bad luck and his good luck. 24:28 It's not underrated. Since his lucky podium in Silverstone, everyone is acting like he's suddenly been really good all season.
"He hasn't had that massive gap to Sainz as we have seen in the years gone by" this is like saying Charles has been trouncing Carlos for a good 3-4 years when in reality Carlos literally finished ahead of him in 2021 and was best of the rest.
The longer the season continues, the more convinced I am that it would have been to Haas' advantage to keep Schumacher and get rid of Magnussen. Granted, I didn't expect Nico to do as well as he has, but Mick was actually outperforming Kevin fairly consistently after Canada last year. So assuming Kevin has basically reached the apex of his driving ability, then it makes little sense not to go with the driver who is matching him in performance but has the potential to grow. I also think it might have been good for Mick to have another veteran brain to pick in Nico. Maybe he could help give him some perspective that Magnussen hadn't. All of this is hindsight, I realize, but the decision to drop Mick for another veteran driver, especially one who was seemingly out of F1 for good, always baffled me. Haas needs to seriously consider dropping K-Mag next year. I think he's done about all he can to help the team.
@@alfredojunceda9926 Only reason he was ahead was because of Leclercs dnf from p3, then 10 place grid drop in Saudi as a result of the dnf and his grid drop in Monaco due to incompetence from Ferrari.
@@sniperkuzi4083 you forget (intentionally) that in saudi almost all the race he was behind Sainz with less pace than him, also his mistake in Australia that caused DNF, in miami struggling to pass Magnussen, qualifying 19 in barcelona hahahahaha
Perez is second in that red bull easily and he has been absolutely terrible for being in the most dominant car in f1 history. Tells you a lot about the car we are witnessing this year and if you give max a car like thei he will win eaisly like he has been. The car has no real weakness points. You’d think since it’s so fast in a straight it would be slower on high downforce tracks like merc in previous years but nope.
Love all your content. Just wanted to say that betterhelp has been shown to be a bit problematic by therapists themselves. Don’t just look at their face, look into some more hidden reviews of them and how they treat their own therapists and unexpected termination between users and their therapists
Better Help Therapy sponsor seems like a relevant sponsor for Matts eternal Ferrari breakdown.
Do you think Charles uses "Better Help"? Or the whole of Ferrari maybe?
currently it would be apt for any ferrari fan I guess
You guys should add a line graph to for each driver's points earned over the season to see their performance trend!
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Great idea.
Go find it somewhere yourself, pushy aren’t you?
@@SebuTK you must be fun at parties
@@SebuTKbro made a cool suggestion in a positive way and you still find a way to be miserable
Perez won 2 races and said well that's enough for the season
He’s very complacent.
As long as the cheques clear, all is well
All Checo’s wins for redbull have come when Max has either had an issue in quali or the race.
So he may win more… but it’s out of his hands, he has to rely on Max having other issues between now and the end of the season. 🤷♂️
As long as he keeps P2, it will be good enough for him and the team.
They probably “said him” that’s enough.
Albon is a very intelligent driver, Max said time and time again the advices and report Albon gave from sim has been massive help.
Yes, definitely. Recently, Helmut Marko even said that Albon would have probably done much better and kept his seat if his confidence hadn't been broken by Hamilton crashing into him in Brazil 2019 and Austria 2020.
Matt, I think its not that Alex needs to move to a midfield team, it's that he's going to make Williams INTO that midfield team.
Albon seems to be in the same position of Lando, the team wants them but the team isn't providing the best car. Albon does have the experience of a top team unlike Lando and being chewed up then thrown away when he doesn't work anymore so I would say he is less likely to make a big jump. Williams has investment now, they are getting new staff and the team principle change is working well so the only thing holding them back now is facilities but they should be able to get past Haas, Alfa and Alpha Tauri if they stick on their current course.
@@FullTimeGaming360agreed
Well said.
when williams gets a factory upgrade they will be a good midfield team. James Vowels seems to be a very good team principle
Yes please YES PLEASEEEE
I think Matt should have to take a shot every time he says “washed”
Pretty sure he'd die
And “thrust”
I feel like I can predict Matt's eventual breakdown as the season continues and Ferrari continues to Ferrari
I want Matt and Tommy to live react to WillFP1's 2 "ferrari's awful 2022 season documented " videos, the PTSD kicking in will be glorious, top content for the Summerbreak ;)
And Leclerc continues to Leclerc...
Matt has therapy, for the Ferrari situation, so I don't expect a breakdown. A lot of copium though...😊
@@Abb0ablemeh will is sorta decent. I'd prefer them doing something with RPM.
@@duuudde12 RPM is better for laughs but his video is 10 minutes will has 20 minutes of Matt torture
It’s very refreshing to see you guys acknowledge Max’s season. It might be boring competition wise, but we’re witnessing history.
Think Hulk has been done dirty by these rankings tbh. He puts the car in places it has no right to be in quali and through no fault of his own goes backwards in the race. Feels v harsh having him so low.
I keep thinking what Hulk could show in a better car, he still has juice, clearly
Well I think this is the average of the ratings over the course of the season so he got a bunch of low grades in the races where he didn't do too well and it brought the average down
@AzureKite I think the average system they're doing instead of the eye test is what skewed a lot of results. What have you done for me lately and how have you performed in relation to your teammate and how good is your car compared to the field
average ratings, this eliminates the "emotional" factor, like saying "it's harsh", when he's clearly not delivering. Like Tsunoda has 1 more points than him, and he's driving the slowest car this year.
@@Kaimax61 Hulk has 6 points more than Tsunoda so I don’t know what you’re talking about. The problem I have with their race day ratings is that it’s heavily skewed towards the cars at the front. Someone like Checo finishing in 3rd in the fastest car will end up getting a higher rating than a Haas finishing 13th, despite the fact that Checo would be underperforming relative to his car whereas the Haas would be where it’s expected to be.
I love the pod but the Sainz chat sometimes is baffling….the analysis of how the grid would look like without redbull in a previous video had Sainz on multiple podiums...hoped it would open their eyes a bit. The new pods since have been the same. In this video, Tommy said he’s been up and down but consistent…make it make sense 😂
They are to busy talking up Yuki and Ocon to worry about making actual sense!
@@SputnikRSS1 Because iSainz has higher expectations on that Ferarri. Yuki clearly outperforms his car, and Ocon actually won 3rd once, meanwhile sainz still can't get a podium in that ferrari.
@@Kaimax61 but why is he so far behind Leclerc and Russell in these rankings when he’s 7 points behind in the standings. Same expectation in car, same points and yet viewed more negatively as them
What I like about this list is that even though it's unbiased, it shows what everyone (at least most) F1 think, and that's the fact that Max, Alonso, and Hamilton are just better drivers than everyone else. Sure, Lando, Charles, George, and others can deliver when the conditions are right and the stars align, but these three have been dominating the sport for years for a reason.
or maybe they have more experience, I am a max fan but you cant beat the raw pace of charles. He neeeds time to fix. Nando ham ver are already way too experinced
@anurag15271 I think Max is faster, but he knows he does not need a pole to win the race, so he does not drive on the edge. Look at the Monaco pole to see what happens when Max opens it up. Charles overdrives the car and tends to crash it, like a lot
I really like the objectivity of the pro-rated scores across the season. It does eliminate the emotional connection and recency bias, even when you feel it should be different.
The biggest example of this for me is RUS ranking, which for me emotionally should have been 6th or 7th.
Good job with this.
But these rankings have put Perez comfortably in the top 10 when he’s been one of the worst drivers this year. 1st and 2nd places are what he SHOULD be getting-anything else is underperforming, let alone what he’s doing in qualifying.
@@jamespoole3531 hi there. No debate, we pretty much all agree with you, but ... context is everything. This specific scoring metric:
- Is NOT based on looking back over the 12 races and assessing the overall performance with every race in the rearview mirror.
- Is based on the scores which were given by Matt & Tommy after each race this season. So let's use Perez as an example, the first couple of races Perez underperformed, he likely scored well based on a significant recovery drive. If they had a silver ball and knew it was going to be one mess up after the other, he might have received a worse score per race.
This approach is different for sure, but it's interesting because it removes the subjectivity of "Perez can't be in the top 10, because he's driving the best car on the grid and failed to make Q3 5 races in a row". It's each moment in time added together and divided by number of races.
@@cgf72 i agree with your point...but perez underperformed the first couple of races? what do you mean, he was p2, p1, p2, p1, p2 to start the season? he fell off in monaco
@@murccc sorry for the poor explanation, I meant the stretch of races he struggled in. The first 2 of those races.
@@cgf72 oh I see. No worries
How are people constantly saying that zhou is doing great and Bottas terrible while bottas is clearly ahead in both qualifying and race finishes. If the car wasn’t so bad the points gap would also be much bigger. I don’t think bottas is doing that good tbh but I really don’t understand where all the praise for zhou is coming from while constantly finishing behind a „washed“ driver
Same. Zhou has been super average.
Isn't it pointless to compare Bottas with Zhou?
AR has the worst tyre change, the (almost) worst car, and endless technical issues.
and has no team principal and no CTO.
No driver can survive that.
The only hope is that the new CTO JKey could really develop a solid car for the next year,.
because zhou is a "rookie"
@@mzhuang4242 I mean sure but they still have the exact same car so there’s nothing wrong with comparing them
@@INTJ791 he‘s not it‘s his second season
I think Albon would do well paired with Fernando at Aston Martin.
Really think Stroll has had his time and chance. It's ridiculously clear why he still has a seat.
That’s a pairing I’ve never considered before and it sounds great. Only thing I’d say is I really think Albon has made Williams his own and I think the trajectory they’re on could be really promising.
They’re both still mid
Williams rocket ship does you wonders
And Alonso is too scared of having a competitive teammate 😂😂😂
I couldn't agree more, I think albon would work well in an aspirational team, and he could learn so much by being by the side Alonso.
I mean realistically what is Stroll bringing to the table? And here I thought Bollywood is full of nepotism, this father son duo has put them to shame.
Lance will *never* get fired. Daddy Stroll bought the team FOR Lance. In fact, I'm not even sure Lance wants to be in that seat as badly as Lawrence wants him there. AMR exists because of Lance Stroll. He isn't going anywhere.
Lawrence Stroll is the low key abusive sports dad reliving his glory days or enacting his fantasy about his missed opportunities by forcing his kid to excel in a sport the kid doesn't care about.
@@sheldoniusRex I think that was true at the start but now Aston Martin really wants to be taken seriously and will surely want to have be best drivers possible when chances to get a title increase. By now Lawrence has already realised his son will never win a title.
expanding more on max's consistency, I think that it's even more difficult to be consistent with a season that has so many more races. people think that having more races makes it easier to break records but no, the longer season is taxing to the mind and body both and having to deliver week after week with literally little to no rest in between is tremendous
this 🙌
I agree yet he has no competition a 10 is beating his teammate by 20 seconds or clean sweep pole, fastest lap…
He even had really good percentage of wins in 22 even with more races.
The guy has been a an absolute machine, and it's so many things, the car is amazing, his calm measured approach, his confidence in the team, the car and himself, his perfect measured aggression when it is required and above all his scintillating pace, it's all just above and beyond what I've ever seen in F1.
I agree its harder to be more consistent and he's been unreal but it is easier to break records with more races 😂
I think Tommy's list is close to how I would've rated all the drivers. Can't wait to see how they pan out as the season moves forward
The top 3 is just right. Russell 4th is crazy 😂. I knew Matt was rating him too highly in previous races but ye. The top 3 are clear.
Yeah, Russell as the 4th best driver this season is just nonsense.
@@Bart-86 Ye its pretty bad hes even close to hamilton on the standings LOL. Hamilton shown levels to GR so far and hamilton always gets better second half
Considering the time he’s had in F1 to develop, I don’t think we can grade Stroll as higher than Logan.
I always thought he deserved to be in F1, albeit in a back marker or mid field car, but boy was I wrong. It probably won’t happen but I hope Stroll leaves place for younger talent.
Stroll has been better in previous years than this one. Just a bit tired of it all probably. How would you cope with it if you are being called daddy's cash year in and year out. It's a bit sad really, bcs I think he doesn't want to be there anymore
Man's been in F1 for nearly 6 years, 6 years! If the guy can't learn to be consistent after 6 years it's never gonna happen! I think someone on The Race called him a 'more boring Pastor Maldonado' and I can't think of a better comparison.
You weren't wrong, he deserved to be in F1, he wasn't much off the pace compared to his past teammates. But this year he's been terrible, needs the boot.
@@guitarsimon1 7 years actually.
It's frustrating because I think Stroll COULD be good. He's been pretty good at some stages of his career and he showed that a couple times this year
I just don't see how he can be so inconsistant
Crazy to me that Leclerc is below Perez and Russel in Matt's list
Sainz P13? evenly more crazy. For me its the car and both of Ferrari drivers are close or just inside top 5
@@yrgkyt3372I agree with you on Sainz, and so do Matt and Tommy actually.
But Leclerc is about where he should be imo. Can we really say he’s consistently been better than the likes of Norris or Russell? He’s had those awesome highs, but he’s also had some pretty bad lows, especially in mixed conditions where he’d just get blown away by his teammate for no clear reason.
@@raycodv267 Norris? Mb not. Russell? Ofc. Perez too. RUS and PER were really bad in the first half while Leclerc had his highs unlike Russell, and lows werent as bad and frequent as Perez’s
Anyone putting Charles below Russell is clueless, dont care if it's a million fan podcast. George is a glorified Sainz
Its a competitive league, they are all insane dogs hahahahhaa
This Sainz criticism is so silly. He’s only 7p off of Charles and delivers far more consistency on record. Is he the qualifying guru that Charles is? No. Can he deliver? Absolutely.
Thank you for all your content, you make this summer break way more enjoyable :D
Russell P4 is absolutely mental. Go seek a GP Matty pls
But it's an average no? He even admitted he didn't think he was P4
? He's 6th in drivers tied on points with Leclerc at 5th and you can't really seriously say that the Merc has been in any way a better car than Ferrari this year.
@teokotirinta2960 to be fair he probably should be comfortably ahead of the Ferraris given their performance
@@teokotirinta2960 Drivers should be rated also taking into account the machinery they have... case in point for opposing reasons, Albon and Stroll.
I'd like to see Albon in the merc alongside Russel in the next few years.
It can happen, and Mick to Williams
Has lewis hamilton died in this timeline.
@@jadenbroomes4425It’s time for lewis to move on and retire
@@abubakrba2696 hes spanking Russell this season what are u on about. Literally got Pole 1 race ago. Such a hater
Strolls gotten worse season on season and its a shame since his dad bought the team. It's a shame considering he seemed like he could at least be an average midfield driver.
Lawrence Stroll is the low-key abusive sports dad reliving his glory days or enacting his fantasy about his missed opportunities by forcing his kid to excel in a sport the kid doesn't care about.
@@sheldoniusRexso jos verstappen?
@@rohannaval1621 Jos is openly abusive. Not low key.
It isn't really Stroll that has gotten worse, it is (or was) the team that has gotten much better, magnifying how poor a driver he has always been.
Worst? I say he's been the same all season, it's just that other cars are starting to get better upgrades, while AM is kinda lagging on that side.
Zhou ahead of Bottas is still criminal. Bottas has literally been better in quali and race
You would expect him to be.
But these ratings aren't just based on pure results. Yes, Bottas is better than Zhou, but not by a lot considering this is his 11th season in F1. And at the end of the day, the results show that Zhou only has one less point than Bottas this season, no matter which way you look at it.
Honestly, anyone who says it's just the car is absolutely insane. The performances Max, Lewis & Nando have pulled throughout their careers is exceptional. They truly are 3 of the greatest talents the sport has ever seen.
They are also massively beating their teammates proving they are getting extra juice out of their cars with their skills
@@EthanRomDoubt Lando will be beating his team mate for long tbh
@@mitchhifi9192 Piastri podium is just around the corner
Fernando is the greatest racing driver ever. 20 years at the peak of motorsports. Unbelievably talented and persistent. Nobody else has ever had that longevity.
@@JohnFromAccounting Yes, If I have to pick anyone guy with a new team with a new car. Its our Nando anytime anyday without a doubt
Both of you having Sainz outside the top 10 seems quite harsh. I would argue that he has been much more consistent than Leclerc, and has been unlucky to not have a podium by now. There is an argument that Sainz has been better than Leclerc this season
Charles is the weakest of the golden trio tbh.
@@gameofender4463Charles always was overrated in my opinion. Yes on some days he delivers on par with Verstappen. But in the end he is waaaay to inconsistent and just doesn't use his chances enough. And thats whats seperates a great driver from a championship winning driver
Yeah, also think about that. Carlos deserves to be if not higher than Charles, then on a same level
@@maxvandoorn3799Exactly. Why I put him behind Max and George.
Where is this Sainz consistency everyone talks about? Crashed into Alonso in Melbourne to drop out of the points. Crashed into Piastri just last race. Dropped a bunch of positions in Austria due to track limits. Sainz makes just as many mistakes if not MORE than Leclerc. He's usually just in such a low position that no one remembers them.
Tom and Matt slowly coming to the conclusion that their rating system isn’t effective over half a season 🤣
I think if I would change something I would put LEC and SAI closer together, PER lower, I also feel like the gap between ALO and HAM is too big because he got too high ratings at the start of the season when people refused to believe that Aston was the second best car.
Aston wasn't second best, Ferrari just messed up early on, and now Mercedes is second best.
George has been completely anonymous this year, flubs qualy half the time, drives into people and crashes by himself. Can ANYBODY give a reason he is ranked so high?? He's performing reletive to stroll vs where HAM finishes..
8:10 I think that looking on raw results Bottas is more impressive.
5 Best result outside of top 10:
Bottas: 11,11,12,12,12
Zhou: 12,13,13,13,15
But considering the fact that It's Valtteri's 11th season already and Zhou's 2nd, Bottas should be doing better.
Isn't zhou a pay driver? Or did he switch from pay driver to paid ? Either way. Bottas is showing he'a not much better than zhou. Which is not very good
Valterri should be doing better. He used to be able to occasionally beat Lewis in races/qualis, but the fact that he's now being outperformed on occasion by a teammate with much less experience shows that Valterri has definitely dropped off in performance.
You can tell Matt n tommy JUST learned what recency bias is 😂😂
It would be interesting to see this list as ratings points scored, a "P1 Drivers Championship" if you will, might help balance out the Danny Ric anomaly.
I agree with Tommy's ratings except for Daniel's because he only drove 2 races so we don't really know how good he is compared with the other drivers and Yuki
Lance's situation will forever be strange. Probably doesnt deserve to still be on the grid, doesnt show that he has the motivation to be a better driver and almost looks like the Alonso performances have deflated him a bit to be honest.
Lawrence Stroll is the low key abusive sports dad reliving his glory days or enacting his fantasy about his missed opportunities by forcing his kid to excel in a sport the kid doesn't care about.
@@sheldoniusRexthat's an interesting perspective, never thought of it like that
Alex Albon needs a payrise
Sainz and Leclerc behind Perez is CRAZY
Sainz is so underrated… he might not get the poles like Charles but everyone acts like he’s miles away from him every year.. last year being the exception but Sainz was ahead of Charles all year until recently, and beat Charles in the standings in 2021 coming in as the new driver..
Last year when the car was race winning and when they didn't suck he was in the gravel while Charles was getting grand slams. Beat in standings because of luck. Can't beat him in poles, wins, points this year or last year even though Charles had worse luck than him lmao
Nah, he was underrated coming into the 2021 season, then when he beat Charles people thought he could do it again in 2022, almost got a bit overrated in 2022. He is pretty fairly rated now, people know how good he is but also see that he isnt as fast as Charles but can keep up with him
Sainz has a better pole to win ratio haha jk
Except when Perez intimidates him.
underrated? people overrate that gravel loving driver.
used to watch u on wtf1 and saw when u moved glad to see u on my recommended and see u going well!
Sainz is the most underrated driver on the grid. He had a rough season last year but he beat Leclerc in 2021 in his first year at Ferrari. He's only just been overtaken by Leclerc in the standings and has a real chance at beating him this year again. To have him that low down is WILD
Put gasly ahead of sainz is disrespectful
No no, there is something chilly about that Sauber seat. We all saw kimi, how he chilled like too much chilled when he was in Alfa romeo
having carlos sainz at 13 is criminal, i think he has been more consistent than lecrec. he is racing on his own with the clueless ferarri team
Yes very harsh. Particularly blaming him for Spa when the stewards treated it as a turn 1 racing incident. Everyone knows 3 into 2 doesn't go at that corner and a dive down the inside usually ends in tears. Obviously didn't watch the Palmer analysis.
Leclerc is beating him in the standings even though he's had worse luck but if you say so
@@lewismaxvaltteripretty sure Leclerc just over took him at Spa where he DNFd so lost probably 10-15 points
@@dffrnttd9474 ok and? Leclerc had been on pole position multiple times and made multiple podiums. Carlos has done none of those
@@lewismaxvaltteri Im not saying he should be ahead of leclerc, but having riccardo ahead of him in one list and having george russell in 4th in the other... 13th is not fair to him
To Sargeant’s credit, it’s not like he’s Mazepin or even Mick who seemingly found a way to crash every other weekend. He’s a below average driver in a below average car, but at least he’s not costing Williams a ton of money in repairs
I do think Williams might give Sargeant another year just due to the fact that he keeps the car out of the wall.
@@MegaDarkness5000 He will get a year, because of DTS and it wouldn't be a good look for sacking the latest american driver.
i would love to see a line graph that charts each of the driver's scores over the season while you talk about the average. that way we can get a nice look at the highs and lows, and how they've progressed over time (according to your ratings, of course)
I agree that Sainz has made more errors than Leclerc, but I feel like we're pretending he wasn't ahead of Leclerc in the standings up until the last race despite being treated as the number 2 driver
He was ahead in the standings because Leclerc got an engine issue in the first race (while being P2) which resulted in a 10 place grid penalty in the second race. He lost something like 22 to 30 points in these two races to no fault of his own.
Indeed, but Leclerc hasn't been able to close that point gap in the next 9 races passing Sainz just because Sainz got involved in a racing incident at Spa. The point is, their difference in skills is not as big as media and yt commentators are depicting
Madness that Russell is above Leclerc and even ocon
i agree so much with the top 3. although lewis is my favorite, alonso is actually doing insane things this year and max, omg. what a talent! he already was so so good and he just keeps getting better. i just wish he had competition hahahah from someone
Honestly would like to see Albon staying with Williams and bringing them into being strong mid-field contenders
If I had to do it manually for me it goes like this
1) Verstappen
2) Alonso
3) Hamilton
4) Norris
5) Perez
6) Leclerc
7) Russel
8) Sainz
9) Albon
10) Piastri
11) Ocon
12) Gasly
13) Tsunoda
14) Stroll
15) Hulkenberg
16) Zhou
17) Bottas
18) Sergeant
19) Magnussen
20) Ricciardo (he only had 2 races I can’t place him higher
21) Nick de Vries
4:25 matts therapy was for Ferrari pain with is that glock?
"He can't be bargained with, he can't be reasoned with. He doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear, and he absolutely will not stop, EVER, until he wins."
Max, basically
I'd love to see Max in a photo shoot pose as the Terminator!
Alonso has been great this season but a lot of his crazy high grades came when we were totally shocked that the AM was the 2nd fastest car. Had Lewis started the season the same way I'm not sure he'd have been receiving 10s like Alonso did simply because we expect stuff like that from him and Mercedes. But now we're more used to where each team is. Not saying the bias would've been that much, I'd still have Alonso in the top 3 with the top 3 all being comfortably ahead of anyone else. Also this is just my opinion.
That 6.6 for Charles HURT Matt, I can see the pain in his EYES!!! Lmao, BetterHelp better be on stand by !
Magnussen should be beating Hulkenberg and I think he will be once the car develops. That said, in the races magnussen has been besting Hulkenberg (not looking too much at placement but more laptimes) so actually luck or lack thereof seems to be a factor in the results. Kmag also opted for running with Hulkenbergs setup seeing hos onelap speed but that turned out to be a poor choice as speed just bleeds out as the tires fade away in the race. Magnussen will bounce back no doubt.
Mentioning Hulk being top 6 if it was qualifying ratings.
You could start doing 3 ratings. Qualifying, Race and Overall or something along those lines
The difference between the George Russel positions and the Danny Rick positions is big. And Danny's position difference can beexplained, because n=2.
Good job for getting paid, but please pick better sponsorships than BetterHelp. They are not a good company, despite their mass spending on PR. Please don't lead people astray especially when it comes to mental health. AG1 is one thing, but I hope your sponsorship quality improves!
"Stroll is actually decent," funniest thing I've heard this week. Thanks Matt
It's always disappointing knowing how much I liked Matt years ago before he tried to be an analyst but he just can't get out of his own way with his lewis fandom and he only interacts with other brits who have the same issue. lewis is never a top 3 driver and never has been. Only good because of his car and only loses ground to slower cars never beats faster cars. He's a zero time world champion and a 6 time Mercedes team champ with one other championship coming from nefarious means.
That was informative, entertaining and largely logical, which I appreciate. Thank you gentlemen.
One BIG SUGGESTION for you is that when you show the rating boards on the left and right, PLEASE make them full screen and block your faces out for a few seconds. While watching on phone its so hard to see the rating number.
Nice video guys, thank you for the upload I know that this ranking is an average of all races, so I'll just restrict my opinion to the qualitative ranking. I agree with most of the ranking, I just have the following remarks:
1) Carlos Sainz: It seems to me that this ranking is way too harsh for him, not least because it has been a year in which he has followed Leclerc well, being superior in some races and qualies. Even after the last DNF he is only 7 points behind Leclerc.
I would put him below Leclerc but with a similar ranking to Russell (for instance the gap between Hamilton and Russell this year has been quite bigger than the one between Leclerc and Sainz)
2) Valteri Bottas: Given that he's driving a tractor with no pace and no reliability, not to mention terrible starts and bad pit stops, probably the worst car on the grid (alongside Haas), I think he is invisible but solid, scoring points in two races and placing P11 twice and P12 three times. Some h2h results against highly rated/hyped drivers in this ranking.
Quali - Bottas 8-4 Zhou ; Bottas 6-6 Albon ; Bottas 7-5 Tsunoda
Race - Bottas 8-4 Zhou ; Bottas 6-6 Albon ; Bottas 6-6 Tsunoda
I would place him next to Hulkenberg, just below the Alpines.
3) Alex Albon: I'm going to be a little unpopular here. I think Williams this year is "only" the 4th worst car on the grid, with good potential for certain circuits, and remember that the benchmark here is Logan Sargeant, a rookie driver with 1 year of experience in F2. Don't get me wrong, Albon is a good driver and he is having a very good season proving that he deserves another chance in a competitive car, but I think you are putting some steroids on him. I would put him above Tsunoda, but more equivalent with Piastri (who I think should be ranked a little higher)
4) Daniel Riccardo: I think he should not be in this ranking yet, with only one interesting sprint race and a P13 and P16 ending.
can you guys also add the standard deviation of the average grades? Checo would have a high one as he got a zero and high grades. I am curious about the other drivers deviations.
Oscar Piastri is criminally low in both rankings
Matt had Alonso 7 TENTHS ahead of Lewis. They are tied at best. Both killing their teammates and extracting the most but Lewis hasn’t spun his car and ruined his race so how’s he so far below
Idk how to feel about Danny so far up with only 2 races, too early to judge imo but thats what happens when RB can't build up drivers anymore and have to relly on drivers who alredy have years of experience
How is perez higher than yuki and oscar
i did the same over the course of the season:
(my ratings were overall higher)
1 Verstappen (9,21)
2 Hamilton (8,17)
3 Alonso (8,00)
4 Russell (7,54)
5 Norris (7,13)
6 Sainz (6,92)
7 Albon (6,79)
8 Piastri (6,67)
9 Perez (6,67)
10 Leclerc (6,5)
11 Gasly (6,42)
12 Ocon (6,29)
13 Hulkenberg (6,29)
14 Tsunoda (6,25)
15 Bottas (6,25)
16 Stroll (5,79)
17 Ricciardo (5,75)
18 Zhou (5,54)
19 Sargeant (5,13)
20 Magnussen (5,04)
21 de Vries (4,80)
Ok you put a guy who has 3 podiums and 3 poles 10th because you don't like him😂😂
lewis above alonso is madness and how tf carlos that much ahead of charles
How tf is Russell 4th 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Typical British woke 😂putting his awful ratings on the internet
Alonso just joined AMR, and Hamilton isn't, putting Lewis above Nando is just biased
in an alternate universe imagining SLOWSTAPPEN in 20th, then what a season we would have between the absolute giants of the sport Lewis & Alonso,..
Lmao why, is verstappen not enough of a "giant of the sport" for you? Why would you arbitrarily remove him
they got sponsor from BetterHelp because Matt goes to therapy as a Ferrari & Charles fan
I disagree with you Matt, P21 is somewhat special when there's only 20 on your list. if DeVries is a Pokémon he must be a super super rare one. #TeamDeVries
Alonso rated too high, he did well when their car was just so much better than everyone but Max, and as soon as any team brought upgrades he dropped. He did well getting podiums when they had the 2nd best car but I don't think he's been better than Lewis, Leclerc, Lando.
Every time Tommy says "a day off" I think he means "an off-day". :)
Matt really need this therapy sponsor, it’s ok my friend ❤
I get that y’all’s order is based off the average of you race grades. But I haven’t graded them. This is how I would rank them overall this year.
Max
Alonso
Lewis
Norris
Perez (still has been pretty good for as bad as he has been)
Leclerc
George
Sainz
Alex
Ocon
Gasly
Piastri (only has half the points of Norris)
Nico
Stroll
Bottas
Zhou
Yuki
DaniRic (too early to really rank)
Kmag
Sargeant
De vries
I really like this format!
Fernandos score is maybe a bit too high at the start of the season in my opinion based on where Aston used to be last year. but i dont want to take anything away from him, maybe just 1 point per race week (meaning 8 instead of 9 and so on)... still way better than Lance, who i would argue we could downgrade just the oposite to Fernando (6 into 5 and so on for example)
.... but at the end of the day its always easy to say after a bit of time (sorry for my bad english btw)
Your English is better than the logic you’ve commented
@@arhamimam8547 thats your opinion. the hype of potential alonso fighting for wins or even championship blinds his fans a bit. but i cant blame them to be honest, what a spectacle would it be if Fernando and Lewis would join in the fight for the title with Max...that would be a banger and a half
I swear everytime they talk about Bottas and Zhou, they give Bottas the lower rating because they "expect more", but always gives Zhou they excuse of "the Alfa car is horrible".
11 years season driver vs 2 years rookie.
Of course they're expecting more from someone who sometimes can beat Hamilton in the same machinery. But in reality, Bottas is only leading 1 point on zhou. He shouldn't be "On Par" with zhou.
The Sainz disrespect is wild.
Tsunoda way to high, Bottas to low, Hülkenberg from Matt way to low, Ricciardo to high, Sainz to low. Tsunoda is so overrated.
ricciardo is literally up there due to the averages thats it, watch the video before saying nonsense like this
Matt.. listening to your "byeeeee"... you should take up singing and be good at that too! I hear potential and I know about these things
It strikes me how some drivers were hyped like the next best thing since sliced bread when they began, but fell through like a soufflé when there. I blame the ban on testing, they have no way of getting comfortable before getting thrown into the pit of lava. A simulator just doesn’t cut it, she said.
De Vries was ok, maybe not for F1 but he can drive alright. Sargeant was a golden boy. Bottas was once, long ago. The Hulk was untouchable in A1GP. Are those predictions really that much off the mark? Then something must be wrong with the learning curve. Max only did karts and one season in F3. But he came through, ignoring the accepted ladder of learning completely. That tells me the ladder is wrong.
19:50 22:42 Russell has not been far from Hamilton but has just been really unlucky at times
23:53 He will not be able to compete with Max
24:10 Clearly? I think Lando could also be in contention.
24:18 It's probably overrated because everyone forgets Russell's bad luck and his good luck.
24:28 It's not underrated. Since his lucky podium in Silverstone, everyone is acting like he's suddenly been really good all season.
Sainz being so low is laughable
Especially when seeing Perez positioned 4/5 places above him.
Exactly, a joke. Underrated. While Perez is overrated
Two of the drivers in the top 3 are in their late 30s early 40s. Just shows how age is no barrier.
"He hasn't had that massive gap to Sainz as we have seen in the years gone by" this is like saying Charles has been trouncing Carlos for a good 3-4 years when in reality Carlos literally finished ahead of him in 2021 and was best of the rest.
Ouahhhh 4 points 😂
Beat him in head to head convincingly all the years
Completely agree and then you see the gap between Sainz, Leclerc and Russell in the ratings it’s confusing…such a jump
The Logan Sargeant P20 merchant memes came true, but only because we have (at least) 21 drivers this season
The longer the season continues, the more convinced I am that it would have been to Haas' advantage to keep Schumacher and get rid of Magnussen. Granted, I didn't expect Nico to do as well as he has, but Mick was actually outperforming Kevin fairly consistently after Canada last year. So assuming Kevin has basically reached the apex of his driving ability, then it makes little sense not to go with the driver who is matching him in performance but has the potential to grow. I also think it might have been good for Mick to have another veteran brain to pick in Nico. Maybe he could help give him some perspective that Magnussen hadn't.
All of this is hindsight, I realize, but the decision to drop Mick for another veteran driver, especially one who was seemingly out of F1 for good, always baffled me. Haas needs to seriously consider dropping K-Mag next year. I think he's done about all he can to help the team.
The hate for Carlos is strong here.
How the hell is Russell 4th?
Sainz is massively underrated
I think he is overrated, his highest finish to a race this season was a p4 only, and that was in Bahrain due to Leclerc his engine failure.
@@bldomi6157and? He was ahead of Leclerc until the last race, where he was hit because of Piastri.
@@alfredojunceda9926 Only reason he was ahead was because of Leclercs dnf from p3, then 10 place grid drop in Saudi as a result of the dnf and his grid drop in Monaco due to incompetence from Ferrari.
@@sniperkuzi4083 you forget (intentionally) that in saudi almost all the race he was behind Sainz with less pace than him, also his mistake in Australia that caused DNF, in miami struggling to pass Magnussen, qualifying 19 in barcelona hahahahaha
@@alfredojunceda9926 ahead of leclerc in the last race? you mean not even a lap yet and the buffoon veered right?
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Perez is second in that red bull easily and he has been absolutely terrible for being in the most dominant car in f1 history. Tells you a lot about the car we are witnessing this year and if you give max a car like thei he will win eaisly like he has been. The car has no real weakness points. You’d think since it’s so fast in a straight it would be slower on high downforce tracks like merc in previous years but nope.
Matt, putting Hulk below Stroll is funny I mean considering the car Stroll is performing really bad still love you Matt
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Tbh I think the top 4 have been comfortably Max, Fernando, Lewis, Lando
loved the format - I hope you will do the same at the end of the year
0:07 going into every single driver, quite an orgy. I call carlos
Need to call out props for Tommy finally making Logie Sarge the world champion!