The Dark Side of Discussing Mariah Carey's Voice
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
- Mariah Carey is nothing short of a legend! But when digging into her voice (whistle register, vocal range, belts, etc.), there's a bit of a dark side that can sometimes get in the way of the celebration. So let's take a moment to talk about that before we deep dive.
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Trying to analyse Mariah is like taking a deep dive into the Bible, it’s so vast.
LISTEN!!!! I had NO idea what I was in for. This is definitely going to be something ongoing because it's like diving into the deep end without a life jacket for the first time! But we're here and we're gonna have LOTS of fun! Thanks for being here as we track through! 🙏🏾
@@oneilgerald I’ve made a few videos about her early music and the connection between identity and race that might be of interest to you while make your video
@@oneilgeraldnonsense.
@@Kenyon712what?
Adele said it! she should be in the Bible
I feel bad for Mariah. Sis spent over a decade giving us extremely hard and musically masterful songs and performances just for her voice to consistently be scrutinized decades later. Leave this lady alone
Literally what I keep saying!!! People trash her name over and over again and it’s not right
Baby 3 decades.
Um Mariah is a big girl. People are entitled to their criticisms especially when it comes to her most recent terrible live vocal performances in the past few years
@@rydercdaniels4475so if she has a bad performance once every few years what's the point of dwelling when she has so many more good ones and what You're really talking about is from a decade ago
@@o6279but it's not the case!
Absolutely agree on how people is extra harsh when they judge Mariah Carey. Is her voice in worse shape now? Yes. But calling her bottom of the barrel wjen comparing her to 90s Mariah is kinda unfair. Put anyone besides 90s Mariah. Make them sing and perform songs like Vision of Love, We Belong Together, Emotions in a set list. They are going to look a fool, and mind you, Mariah is older, had children, and has a damaged voice from the get-go. Calling her the worst singer ever when she can't hit E5s after E5s, switching from her belt to whistle in one breath, and maintaining a 4-octave range in just a song is a low blow. Her voice is lower now, she's more comfortable singing notes below A4, and her whistle is still intact, just not that fluid that she can hit an F7 whenever ahe wants. And in terms of her success, she only looks like a "flop" when you compare her to her peak. Even at her lowest chartings, she has careers 90% of the industry dreams to have
TLDR: Give Mariah her flowers and a break
you spoke nothing but facts. i once saw some swifties compared mariah to taylor swift saying TS sounds so much better than MC now. im pretty sure MC can elevate TS songs on stage but TS sure as hell can’t sing MC’s songs
Yeah idk why people have double standard when it comes to her, I guess that Happens when you have the best Voice in the World, people always been hatin on her since her debut days... Saying she lipped every song, and proving herself to people on MTV unplugged
Mariah has the most vocal challenging songs EVER in pop music .
But can we talk about THIS!?!? Not just ANYBODY can sing a Mariah song! I absolutely MEAN IT when I said she stretched the absolute limits of what it means to use a voice to its FULL potential!
LOVE LOVE MARIAH CAREY and that voice no matter WHAT
No matter WHAT!!!! I absolutely agree!
MC is Goated 💯
PERIOD! She's an ICON! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
We need to make sure this video goes viral. I’m tired of explaining this stuff to ignorant people
Facts
This comment right here! ☝🏾Yes! I be fighting for my life, out of breath trying to get these dopes to understand and LISTEN. 🦋
She had good teachers
The hard part about analyzing mariah is that you can never fully track the trends in her style. Usually if you push it far enough, it always traces back to her debut. Like you touched on, something even as simple as her breathy tone can be found on her debut. Everything she has ever touched on like gospel, r&b influence, hip hop collab (using herself as the rapper), etc. is found on that first album. The first two basically cover all her influences (and there are so many). She is masterful and blending all of them into cohesive pieces of work that it actually blurs the lines when trying to dissect it - you have to know just as much about her influences as she does. She is an artist and her personality is infused in everything. Even songs like dreamlover found on the most pop record in her career, were formed on the foundation of a doo wap sample. She is so involved in everything she does it's hard to capture everything.
I love her mid range. She can BELT those mid notes when she wants to, but she can also sing them in a breathy way when she wants to as well. I don’t know of any other singer who is a belter and can also sing airy, most singers can either belt or sing airy
PRECISELY
EXACTLY AS IN EGZACKLY
This is the difference between you and BlackMusicArchive. BMA criticized Mariah for not singing healthy for longevity, while you appreciate that Mariah pushed the limits of her voice. I rather have her bust her voice and have her feats recorded for everyone to enjoy for eternity.
🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽 like how can you sit there and judge someone for living how they wanted she’s accomplished her career if she wants to not sing ever again starting now oh well Shes gave us plenty. I hate how they criticize and judge her at one point do we let the athlete rest ¿
that channel is simply racist against Mariah, Mariah cannot sing healthily because she has nodules, and the use of her voice will always affect her
Yeah I’m conflicted about that too- cause did she have to sing emotions in such a high key? No, and it still would’ve been one of the hardest songs to sing anyway. Mariah probably wasn’t thinking about the effects of singing so many difficult songs with chesty upper belts, and I don’t think she should be criticized for it now, as newer singers have learned from her
@@mclambangelikr!! I know why they don't include mariah 🙄 but they do like whitney... mariah is black too babe
period
Mariah is one of the greatest singers of all time. Her voice has gone thru half a dozen or more changes since her debut and it seems like everyone has a favorite phase or era.. her voice is definitely an enigma, most controversial and talked about voices ever..
I am Die Hard Hardcore fan of Mariah Carey I've been a since I was 11 years old During the Emancipation of Mimi Era When I Became a Hardcore It was the Summer of 2005 Watching B.E.T Countdown and We Belong Together came on and I was shooketh and Hooked and in Awe 🫢 of her Beauty I was like Who is she omgg??? And then later on She inspired me as a singer Vocally she made me want to be a singer and to experiment with the Whistle Register from time to time..... I love her she's the soundtrack of my Life every song I had the same or similar experiences she's the greatest she's Everything......
Imma recommend a few of her best live performances
-Vanishing rehearsal 1990
-Vanishing live at MSG music box tour 1993
-if it’s over live 1992
-surprise performance 2013
-my all live at Melbourne 2013
-vision of love live at Tokyo dome 1996
-vision of love live at Oprah 1992
-Joy to the world live at St John the Divine 1994
-Make it Happen live at MSG 1995
(Notice there’s like no early 2000s recommendation that’s because her BEST performances of that era are rlly low quality sadly, but I’ll be glad to recommend them still if u want)
Check out Joy to the World Live on BET - the BEST live version of that song, it is unreal.
Tone, agility, belting, lower register (that doesn’t get talked about much in lieu of her whistle register), soulfulness and the ability to connect her songwriting with her vocal expression is what makes her a legend. She’s done it all and dare I say, I’d put her catalogue of music up against ANY female pop/R&B artist in the game.
And I can tell you there would be VERY FEW that could stand up to her. Mariah is an absolutely LEGEND and should never be talked about as less than that!
@@oneilgerald agreed. Looking forward to your video!
Please do If It’s Over at the Grammys. This is her best vocal performance of her entire career. I promise you
Nope fly like a bird at 2006 eclipsed it. Just saying
@@maurice1263no it didn’t
Vanishing Snl Rehearsal performance
Emotions MTV Unplugged
MSG 95
"Let me take a breath and regain my composure" because this is so exciting! I need to calm down✨✨👍🏾
Mariah said it best about her voice her voices like a rainbow, has many different shades and colors to it and she uses it to paint a picture for emotion in her songs. That’s a beauty of songwriting. She manipulated melodies with different parts of her voice. She’s a true Studio singer, when it comes to songwriting and using her voice to the full capacity, she’s the only artist that showed her range from top to bottom. I’m pretty much all her records most artist you find one album that shows off their vocal range. I may be the second, but on every album that Mariah has made, she has showed you whyshe has the songbird supreme no matter what stage her voices in I would always give her that respect
I’m so excited for you to analyze her. She’s amazing.
I love the Mariah clips you inserted!!! I love that your talking about Mariah and being respectful
There is NO darkside to Mariah Carey's voice
Dark side to discussing the voice. Not the voice itself
@@jordandelaurareading comprehension on 0 🫠
The Airy sound in her mid register became prominent in her 3rd studio Album. She then heavily brought it to Daydream combining both.
Did y'all hear her vocals in "Fall in Love at Christmas"?
I love Mariah. She has everything.
I’m glad this just showed up in my feed… I instantly subbed, I can’t wait to watch more!!!
Wow, really!? Thanks for joining the family here! Haha!
Excited for this! I know you’d get a kick out of “Outside” from Butterfly
"The imperfections in Mariah's voice are actually the same reason why her voice is iconic" oh you put that together BEAUTIFULLY!
Great video O'Neil! Looking forward to hearing more from you about Mariah!
If black music archives wasn’t gonna do it IM GLADDD YOU DID
Righht like, they do whitney but no mariah 😭
They deleted the in-depth Mariah videos describing her voice to a "t" by era.
I really enjoyed this analysis. I also like that you played some more obscure songs that some people aren't familiar with.
THE QUEEN WITH THE ANGELIC AND HEAVENLY VOICE💙🤍💙🦋🦋🦋💋 We will always cherish her amazing voice,her music with those beautiful lyrics and perfectly splendid vocals🙌🏼
I’ve been waiting so long for this trust me
REALLY!? Haha! I guess the time has come? But give me time, lol! I'm still weathering this new terrain! Thanks for believing in me, though!
@@oneilgerald Yes, and this vid is just perfect absolutely Devine. And take all the time you need because you’re doing a great job.
That intro was so uncalled for😂
It wasn't even intentional initially. I just saw the opportunity and just HAAAAD to try! Haha!
Thanks for this video! I Love Mariah since the very first time I heard her voice and have been supported her for ages for the rest of my life. It really pisses my off how people really forget who she is and what she did. You just need to listen one of her album, it doesnt matter wich, to see her artistry and to see how she always pushes herself to her limits. Thanks for this video, id love to see more in the future.
Lamb checkin in! Mariah is one of the most skilled pop stars still to this day. Her genius will be stddied.
Yes she had nodules but regardless, it's nonsense for people to forget that the voice is a muscle. It will change over time, even if it's fit as possible it's not going to be at 60 what it was at 20. Those rare exceptions to the rule should not be viewed as the norm, they are EXCEPTIONS. Best thing you can do is adapt and lean into the changes.
Thank u for acknowledge that, Mariah is always mocked by people, but they forget the importance of Mariah for the music industry, and I always say this: if it wasn't Mariah with her Fantasy remix feat. ODB, the pop diva feat. rapper wouldn't be popularized, so many aspects of the music industry would be different, even Kpop! that's a new whole style that follows the Mariah's recipe of pop feat rap. She's not the one who "created" it, but she made it popular and shaped the music industry to what it is now.... well not now cuz tik tok f*cked everything up!
Watch some of her Music Box Tour performances, she BELTS those mid notes!!!!!!!! Her mid notes can be very strong when she wants to make them strong, but of course they can also be airy. That's incredible.
good video, people don't understand how difficult it is to sing with vocal nodules, that's why I think she is very criticized, I have a hiatus of the vocal folds and there are days when I don't even have half of my vocal range (and what I suffer from is minimal compared to vocal nodules), everyone expects Mariah to sound like she did in the 90s but the reality is that her voice has aged, which is normal, even so she can sing many notes, I think the solution would be to rearrange her songs to that adapt to her current vocal range, for example I would love a 100% acoustic concert by Mariah, I think that would give her a lot of room to improvise with her voice.
I love this intro!!! I think youre in the right track with understanding her voice in a way youre trying to uplift her (because we know theres enough hate)! Thankyouu
I saw your tweets about asking for performances especially see performances from 2010 onwards (they're so interesting vocally and some of my favourites)
I think they told her not to remove her nodules because the surgery back then could leave scars that can change your voice drastically. This happened to Julie Andrews' voice after she had her nodules removed and she lost her majority of her vocal range. New technology and medical advancement improved this procedure tho since I think Adele and Justin Timberlake recently got it done and their voices sound the same for the most part.
As a lamb, I really liked your thoughts about her voice. I think you're absolutely right when you say that her nodules are the reason for both problems and highlights of her voice and artistry. Her voice is trully an enigma and she gave us her best of it, no doubt.
An enigma is the only way to describe it! I'm just glad that such a special singing case has been captured so closely over the years! What a treat! 😮
Cant wait for the videos
I love Mariah! But personally I would trade in her whistles any second, if in return she gut get her shimmery, soft and full tone back, also vibrato and flows runs. The tone of her voice just has become thin and brittle :( Probably because over using her vocal cords throughout the years.
Mariah is a singers singer the songbird supreme. A true gifted songwriter and singer and producer .
as a lamb i really appreciate this video ❤❤❤
THE QUEEN OF VOCALS 💯💯💯❤️ FR FR
She not just a Singer but also a writer …..
Therefore she should be addressed as Singer/Writer
Mariah got into singing due to her writing, much like Sia and John Lennon … these singers are writers foremost….
Hence why so much of their music becomes hits !
Great video! Idk if it’s been mentioned yet, but I’m throwing her performance of “You and I” and “If Only You Knew/Somewhere Over the Rainbow” into the mix :).
Mariah Carey is the queen of music, I love her♥️👑
Mariah Carey is thee best musician ever she is the best singer vocalist songwriter she went head to head with her 2 songs clown and obsessed against Eminem a very good rapper/writer as-well she is a icon a legend and many more she have sang with Aretha down to Whitney down to Patti she has got the yes from older legends and the people that is now legends with mariah carey she is the celebrity of celebrities and the icon of all time.
i love what you said about the trojan horse for black music! like what beyonce is doing right now getting her foot in the door with country music, i truly believe that certain artists need to be that starting point in order to usher in a new era and allow more people to express themselves as well.
For better or for worse, rnb and hip hop beats are often used in pop music and we can greatly thank Mariah for doing this! Especially because she wanted to explore this side essentially since the beginning of her career too but was not allowed to by...Tommy.
Absolutely! Mariah is a pioneer when it comes to this fusion being so widely accepted in pop music now! And yes, Beyoncé is definitely following suit with this latest album!
As a fellow vocal coach, but most importantly, a HUGE LAMB, I'm so THRILLED to hear you say "and that's okay" at 5:35. FINALLY.
You get it! I'm tired of the downtick that people have done to her for so long. It's time reclaim the way we talk about her voice! Thanks for seeing the heart behind this! 🙏🏾
@@oneilgerald She calls herself a studio rat. I see it. I see the artistry, and the concepts, and the hours upon hours of layering and such. She’s a genius. Can’t wait to see you react to things :) “Mine Again” is a MUST.
I love her “old voice” and “new voice. “
listen to The Remixes and her first christmas album … some of her best vocals
PREACH! Mariah is a singer's singer and a true original
Ela ainda continua sendo a maior cantora de todos os tempos
Mariah had that deep tone in the early 90s cause she used to smoke since a teen
But she stopped years after
I mean yea she smoked but stopped after she got signed and prayed to get her voice back but her voice is deep necasue of the nodules.
The best 👑
Mariah voice is the most scrutinized in history of music, I get that she is held at a higher standard but the critiscm she gets is absolutely insane
Very insightful. Thank you for this incredible input.
This was very informative 😁👍
her voice is a gift from God.
MC voice is like the Lord of the rings trilogy, it's so much going on & growth along the way but it all comes together as a masterpiece yasssss
You hit the nail on the head. Her vocal abilities NOW cannot erase 3 decades of a barrier breaking vocals. She is quite literally one of the greatest vocalists of our time and her pen is legendary. The general public are very much "What have you done for me lately" mindset. It's sad.
Mariah literally has such a versatile voice and I’m not just talking about her range. Her voice sounds completely different for each era.
MC talent is out this world 💯👑👑👑👑👑
Yes she is! A once in a lifetime talent, for SURE. 👏🏾
@@oneilgerald👑👑👑👑👑👑👑💯⁉️
lol in other words “put some respect on her mf name” 😌 I couldn’t agree more, friend!
One of the best compare & contrasts you can do to showcase Then & Now = Take 2 performances of a song like 'Hero' - one from the '93-'95 era & one from her recent Vegas shows in 2024. Both are very good performances for their times but you can really see the difference. So yeah, you weren't entirely wrong with that first point... however, the more accurate point is Mariah now songs with a [VERY] thin/shallow voice/tone.
What she can't do live is generally related to the fact that in the studio there's a lot of stacking and stitching together different lines like, for example, the transition between the bridge and the final chorus in Butterfly.
That’s not MF true! Girl bye 👋🏽
Her nodules make her voice sounds polyphonic and i find that fascinating
Thiiiiiiiiss might be a clue!!! It reminds me a bit of Lalah Hathaway's polyphonic singing!
Just simply the BEST. FORGET THE StorIES AND ALL THE HATE SHES BEEN HERE AND Ain't GOIN NOWHERE. PPL TALK CRAP VUT CANT HOLD A FLICKER OF LIGHT TO WHAT THIS WOMAN HAS DONE AND STILL..
She's just really amazing. If Mariah was gifted with a healthy vocal chord like Patti she would have dominated the industry in a crazy way. Probably she would have been several times more successful than what she is today and possibly a totally different music industry than what we have now.
Shes her own singing style, she does not fit the classic style of singing people expect, hence why its hard to categorize her.
That's true for Mariah and a WHOLE bunch of other singers!
That trojan horse metaphor ... so on point!!!!
Mariah vocals from 2006-2014 changed so drastically . It reminds me of Whitney from 1994-2003 .
Yeah TEOM was beautiful, thereafter I didn’t like the vocals so much
Love her DOWN still my #2 fav vocalist of all time. Her voice has changed drastically it’s can’t be just nodules. Her voice started changing around the time of her divorce from Tommy, not only that but her career as well. Coincidence ? … only the most high knows.
I think I speak for alot of lambs when I say I'm more than just a fan, we feel like family. Having said that, we appreciate her as a person for her surviving the industry and her personal trials and tribulations. So we appreciate her for still putting out music for us as lambs, not just so she could achieve commercial success. She could have retired long time ago however she still makes music for us and because she loves her craft. Having said that, I will support every album she puts out. I know her voiced changed a bit when she started the process of getting pregnant with fertility treatments. She has never said this however you can infer she had the choice of having children and risking vocal degradation or continue life as it was. She even had a miscarriage during this process. I'm sure many women would go ahead with having kids and being happy. She had already achieved the pentacle of success by that point. To answer your question, I always have these facts in the back of my head when I listen to Mariah these days. No she doesn't belt like she used to however she is still Mariah Carey, she can still hit the whistles and emote. Yes, I do enjoy the later music, it's just different. It goes to show you how much talent this woman has. She still has the ability to capture an audience and sell out multiple arenas on her tours. Mariah is one of those singers where you have to listen deeply to her music and listen to the lyrics, she is deep. I would urge you to read her memoir the Meaning of Mariah Carey if you really want to know about her. Her musicality is shown off in this video. She touches people with her music. Michael Jordon was in tears toward the end. th-cam.com/video/vS1gwGKoD0Y/w-d-xo.html
I'm here to be loud and wrong:
2005
BET Awards
We Belong Together
Beginning of the end.
I'm subscribed to see how you navigate this pedagogically and actually make sense of the ~20 years sense then
You know what you are talking about. Loved it.
Mariah has always taken influence from gospel music.
Mariah will always be the Vocal Bible. Adele herself said that
Mariah Carey once said that her voice is not high pitched like Whitney Houston's. Tommy Mottola and his record label almost forced Mariah Carey to sing the same vocal tone as Houston (Arista Records was the direct competition of Columbia Records) and that brought her consequences that she is paying for today, apart from the fact that the famous nodules were detected on her vocal cords and that, according to her, allow her to have her current tone of voice and that is why she has not yet had an operation on her vocal cords. Let's see, come on, it's not a blessed mystery why she sings like this today and not like when she was 19 years old, Hello, times change and so do we as humans, and believe me, nothing will be the same as the years go by. Mariah is a very good singer and songwriter, but she can indulge in singing her good old songs however she wants, period!
Period!
Mariah's voice is not as high as whitney but still a very high voice. I don't think they forced her to sing since she writes her own songs, and her songs became EVEN HIGHER in albums where she was not in sony anymore. So, no. The only thing tommy forced her was to stay away from RnB and Hip Hop. The consequences she's paying are the ones of not taking care of her voice, nodules surgerg is and was very secure. If she was afraid of loosing whistle, she could just re-learn them, is not something very difficult.
Untrue. Her first album was half written before her deal and many weren’t far from the wood shop originals . Vanishing demo for example. That’s her sound
In death she will come back to the greatest singer that ever lived ...like Whitney Houston
Mariah Carey going on American idol it made her image unflattering and put her in a position where it made her basic like everybody else at one time her image what's more popular than her music in my opinion. But that show American idol all money ain't good money.
But I will add one more thing I definitely think her black lineage gave her voice for music.
Mariah carey nodule is a gift
It's a gift and a curse in the the same time! And I find this so beautiful
SUBSCRIBEeEeEd 🎵 (yes that last part is a whistle note)
The main problem with her nodules is that it has made her lose a lot of range and every time she is performing she can't speak for 3 days straight before that when she is really hoarse her singing can be really bad
Example a:
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Very responsible commentary lol... Im about 99% in agreement ...but i love that the video is full of necessary caveats on any anslysis of THE voice🎉😂
you needed a proper lamb, you shoulda called me! 😮💨😌
I assure you...she knows what mics she likes to use and more. Pre-amp, compressor. She knows.
One of the greatest ( if not the greatest) vocal instrument in history. Her voice is truly god send ! And it's not only her vocal technique but it's also her tone !!! Golden tone till this day
I don't necessarily think that "Mariah carey cant sing". I just feel like she didn't adapt, and accept the fact that her voice was deepening, and she couldn't sing songs in certain keys anymore, YET, she stilled tried, which is more than great, im glad that she had courage to keep on trying, the only problem is that she was damaging her voice....I saw a video recently of her talking about emancipation of mimi concert parl 19, and she sounded great! because she finally embraced her natural mature tone, and she sounded fluid! i wish we could have seen more matureriah, there is no telling how great some of her lives could have been if she sung in that tone!
Time to subscriiiiiiibeeeee!
amazing work
Vai falando!!!
If Mariah was more disciplined with vocal training and exercise, she wouldn’t experience these issues. She’s said she doesn’t practice many times.
She really needs a long break and just release unreleased music and concerts for fans. She’s done enough songs for that long catalogue.
O’Neil has been working out! OK WE SEE YOU MR BUFF N STUFF
I didn't think it would be that obvious! Thank you, haha! And even the fact that you've been around long enough to notice any change means you're loyal! Thanks for watching all the time you have! 🥰
@@oneilgerald yes sir! Keep up the great work, extremely proud of what you’ve built and happy for your success!!!!!
Black people always think Mariah don't sound black enough,come on!can you tell the difference from the color of her skin to yours??
I totally agree but I agree any one to get to the facts of the legacy of the legend MC 👑
Is this really what black people say about her??? I haven't heard this at all!
I'm Black and Mariah's voice is dope; she definitely has soul! So much so that her gospel is out of this world as it should be.
No u are right she stoped belting she said it herself, she is more whispery now and she stopped singing from the midrange , I believe because her voice could not take it. She also has not toured as much either especially compared to Whitney. She for some
Reason also lypsynced so much.