I have the same experiences, more a placebo effect in performance because of the sound. But the engine runs smoother with the Fuel X and DNA air filter. Same effect with a loud exhaust, you think the acceleration is faster, but very often it isn't. ;-)
I think your document holder is restricting the DNA filter. I took that out. Also the engine does not loosen up properly until 12 to 15 hundred miles have been reached. These types of mods shouldn’t be used until fully run in. After run in, the results are significantly different.
Thanks for doing the comparative testing. I have a 2022 meteor fireball and found that the engine took 2000 km to free up. It kept improving even up to 3000 km. It is fantastic as a tourer and a frequent use town motorcycle. Its comfort zone is 80 to 90 kmh. If you need a bike that comfortably cruises at 100 to 120 then best to go with a bigger bike. I am getting around 2.8 litres per 100 km fairly consistently since it freed up.
Good information, thanks. I have the same bike for last 18 months. From new I noticed the throttle was a bit snatchy, a slight delay on response. I removed the exhaust that contains catalytic converter and muffler and installed after market, TOO LOUD! Then I put in a S&S baffle from my interceptor, perfect sound. I installed the DNA air filter and find the throttle response much better, smoother and no snatching. I was considering the fuel x but after your testing I won’t bother! These 350’s are a great bike, I own a 2010 Bullet 500, a 2023 Super Meteor and my 2022 C350 Chrome bronze, all great bikes but the 350 is the favourite to ride. Cheers from steamy Australia, it’s 37 degree heat here today!
Marc I just looked at my last stats on fill up. I’ve got 11,000km on my 350 now, last fuel up was 6.9 litres @242km on trip A. So that’s 35km per litre or 2.85 litres / 100km. A range of 480km is really good touring, I’ve done some good trips on mine, loaded up with camping gear and still plenty of room for comfort. I was looking to buy the alloy wheels and heidenau k60 scouts too, same reason for ease of roadside repair when touring! Love your videos, cheers, Rick from Oz.
Hi Rick, 2.85 L/100KM is a good fuel consumption and gives a good range for touring. I will test the fuel economy soon without the DNA air filter and the fuel X. I just have to wait for better weather to start my first road trip. My experiences with the Heidenau tires are very good so far. Have a safe ride! Cheers Marc
Thank you for the video. Please answer if you can? I have seen quite a few of the 350’s with fuelX . The comment is always made supposed to optimize the fuel. The question is to what fuel target ratio? Otherwise it’s just dumping fuel , which I assume is probably 5-10% richer is my guess?? The ECM dies not calibrate to the filter. Regardless it will always seek the factory AFR, reminder it’s a narrow band O2. The fuel x is a piggy back so I can see a modest fuel increase must if the time to reduce jerky throttle and lower speed control. Please check the air filter box next oil change. You will see dirt and dust that passes the filter. That’s what goes in your engine. Also the original cover reduces water and debris from entering . The only thing I would do is a booster plug. Nothing else. I agree in this case staying stock. Enjoy that beautiful bike and save that money that in most cases gets you next to nothing in performance.
It is written on the fuel X website: "FuelX Lite comes with 1 Autotune Map which auto adjusts based on the mods, weather, altitude and riding style - FuelX smartly adapts to variations in riding style and engine characteristics, as well as to add-ons such as exhaust and air-filter" I reinstalled the original air filter with the original cover, I don't know, if you get dirt and dust inside the engine with the DNA air filter, I think the build quality is very high and you are able to clean and oil it. :-)
So, to sum up the test: the new air filter and fuel-x brings no better performance at all, but makes the bike more noisy and increases the fuel consumption from 2,6 to 3,6lites/100km?! And it makes the bike lose the warranty? That seems like a no brainer to me! 😂 Thanks a lot for this great and very enlightening test, Marc!👍
Warranty is an important point for me as long as the bike is new. Some say they feel a better performance, for me there was not a huge difference but the engine runs much smoother and throttle response is better with no more popping sounds. ✌️
Hi Marc, interesting video, thank you. If it's of any interest to you, I have the Hunter 350 and I check the fuel consumption, quite accurately, every time I fill up. I always use E5 fuel and regularly get about 120 miles per imperial gallon which works out at 2.355 litres per 100 Km. Also, I've had the Hunter for about 11 months and have covered nearly 5000 miles (8046 Km) and, to be honest, the fuel consumption hasn't changed, neither has the performance. I think the notion that engines get better with miles is probably a myth or the difference so small as to be not noticeable. I've owned quite a few bikes over the years and their economy and performance appear to remain the same from new ....... just my take as a mechanical engineer. I enjoy your videos, very well put together 👍
Hi, 2.3 L is a very good fuel consumption 👍 Maybe mine gets better if the engine has a few more miles on it, I am at 800 km at the moment :-) I will deinstall the fuel X and see if the fuel economy changes. Less would be better for my next planned road trip. Cheers Marc
You must have cared for your bikes very well. And your riding style could be the smooth one. I am a come-back-rider choosing a bike and classic, single cylinder looks set to be my target....I hope to learn from you.... why you chose RE Hunter If you don't mind sharing your thoughts 😅
@@freddy9210 I really like the look of the Hunter. It reminds me, a bit, of my first bike in 1973 (BSA C15) and I like it's simplicity and of course the sound it makes. It's great for enjoying the quieter country roads and it's so easy to handle in town, too. The build quality and general finish is very good and I've had no problems so far. I would recommend any of the RE 350 singles, the engine is a gem 😊
@PAGallagher Have you tried the honda cb350? If yes, I hope to hear your decision of not choosing it. I have narrowed my choices to RE350 Meteo and CB350.
@@freddy9210 The Honda is also a great looking bike with similar power to the RE 350s but unfortunately, it wasn't available here, in the UK, when I bought my Hunter. Yes, the Meteor is a lovely looking bike too 👍
Dear Marc. To make the test 100% correct, you have to give a look on the color of the igniter plug. The new air filter gives a lot of more air. So I could imagine, that the automatic recalibration with the DNA filter don't works properly. Much more air means that the ignition needs also more fuel that the propotion (air - fuel) is correct. Otherwise the engine runs to hot and you risk an engine damage.
Hi, the Fuel X recalibrates automatically the air fuel mixture, especially when the DNA filter is installed, so there are no problems with the temperature. Cheers Marc
So, to sum up the test: the new air filter and fuel-x brings no better performance at all, but makes the bike more noisy and increases the fuel consumption from 2,6 to 3,6lites/100km?! And it makes the bije lose the warranty? That seems like a no brainer to me! 😂 Thanks a lot for this great and very enlightens test, Marc!
People first need to know how engine works. The computer will adjust fuel to air mix only when you idle or steady on the throtle. In this case the computer is using data from lambda sensor and adjust for emisions and consumption, not performance. Every time you open the throttle the computer switches to pre determined map, and lambda sensor is not used, thus dna filter and fuelx are waste of money. Only way to realy add performance and make use of mods added is to remap the engine.
Great test vid👍 Late comment sorry. There is a guy in the USA who tested the Fuel X claim of cooler engine temperature running using an infra red thermometer. The result was as Hitchcock also said 10 degrees cooler with the Fuel X . Which on an aircooled engine is alot. So I will fit one plus as Marco says reduces over run pops and gives smoother delivery.
Thank you Marc. Your set up is beautiful with the RE Classic. I love the paint colour and your panniers and jacket! I would stick with the original set up!
Thank you for a real world look at upgrades and fuel economy. I would leave the engine stock but put those wheels on because tubes are ridiculously prone to punctures. SS
@@nikoscosmos Yup. And tubeless are a LOT easier to get moving again and there are spoke wheels made with tubeless but many manufacturers are too cheap to make those stock items. SS
The guys at Hitchcock mentioned to start riding when you install dna air filter and go through all the gears etc for 15-20 mins for the ecu to calibrate new readings and not leave in idle sitting there for 15 minutes as it’s only getting readings of idle. They also mentioned fuel x is not needed as ecu can cope with just air filter and exhaust change.
When I added the fuel X on my hunter, what I noticed very quickly over leaving it stock was how it smoothed the bit of jerkiness of the throttle on off. It feels a little more refined. Also have the DNA filter and it is a great combo in my opinion. As soon as there are a few more options for a full exhaust, that is what I will do next to see the difference from stock.
Hmmm. Less than one second better acceleration. Louder exhaust. Perhaps a bit smoother with less popping on deceleration. Poorer fuel economy. Negative effect on the warranty during the warranty period. Easy decision for me at least. If the 350 is truly lacking what I feel I need, then I probably need another bike… As for the cam modification, after watching several channels where that has been done, it appears that even that improvement comes with a heavy dose of subjectivity. Me thinks I’ll stick with stock and love it for what it is. Very nice comparisons! Thanks for that!👍😎
I think the Classic 350 is good in stock setting. The modifications just make the engine run smoother and the throttle response is better. At high temperature it might also run cooler with the fuel X. Cheers Marc
Hallo Marc! Wieder ein gutes und informatives Video! Bin da ganz bei dir, wer das ganze Geld in Nockenwelle und sonstigen Umbauten bzgl Motorleistung steckt, sollte sich gleich ein anderes Motorrad kaufen. Ich finde, dass das gerade den Charme der Classic ausmacht mit ihr gemütlich dahinzufahren und die Entschleunigung zu genießen. Aber jeder wie er möchte. Mich würde aber interessieren ob der Benzinverbrauch nur mit dem DNA-Filter, ohne Fuel X Lite, auch höher als mit dem Originalfilter ist? Hast du da auch einen Erfahrungswert? Das wäre die einzige Umstellung die ich bei meiner Classic machen will, da ich denke das der Motor dadurch mehr Luft bekommt und nicht so schnell heiß wird. Gruß und Dank im Voraus Erwin
Hallo Erwin, bisher konnte ich nur den DNA Filter mit dem Fuel X testen, der höhere Verbrauch kommt sicher eher vom Fuel X. Nur mit dem Filter sollte er sich bei gleicher Fahrweise nicht verändern. Die geringere Temperatur des Motors wird nur durch den Fuel X erreicht, nicht durch den Luftfilter, da das Benzin Luft gemisch erhöht wird. Viele Grüße aus Berlin Marc
I got my fuel x lite installed recently on my classic 350. I waited to complete several road trips before I reach a conclusion and by now I’m pretty sure that it’s a complete waste of money. I feel that it dulls the engine response. So yes at low gears the throttle is a bit less jerky but also the bike is less “peppy” overall. Better save your time and money.
Regarding the fuel consumption - Keep in mind you ran the bike at idle for 10 minutes x 2 twice. Once for the DNA filter & I assume again for the standard filter. That's 20 minutes of idling. Then you did several hard acceleration speed runs. I think you should test KPL under normal riding conditions. To compare Fuel Lite with standard. Anyways - love the clip - great work.
So individual adjustments or modifications will feel minute however when you combine a number of modifications the bike will start feeling better and you will notice some added acceleration and performance. Most people prefer to install a fuelx system, Dna stage 2 filter, new camshaft, cat delete, exhaust, shocks and struts. All these combine give you a noticeable improvement in performance. Its more of an added torque and acceleration and will not at to top end speed because the speed limiter still keeps max speed at 75 mph.
My dealer tells me I do not lose the warranty at least where I take mine. Especially as it runs significantly cooler. You need to also update whole exhaust system with larger bore front pipe, including mods you did to make a noticeable difference. Mine runs lovely and is definitely faster.
I couldn't make out the brand of panniers on your Classic. They look great with your upgraded seat. I also have faster bikes, so I'll be keeping my 350 in it's stock form. 👍👍5🏍🙋♂️
The panniers are from Hepco & Becker. The Classic 350 is very good in the stock settings, I also had no problems before customization, great bike for cruising. ✌
@@Marc.Stones Great video. I am awaiting delivery of a 2023 Classic and was considering the DNA filter and the FuelX. It is good to see real world data with those mods installed. On the Hitchcock site I see there are two FuelX modules, Lite and the Pro. I will be buying panniers and your look terrific. Years ago I had Hepco & Becker on my BMW airhead and they look fabulous on the Classic. What kind of mounting hardware do they require and are they available from H & B or Royal Enfield? Thanks again.
Induction improvements will only occur when the exhaust flow is increased. They are all one flow path and out makes more effect than in. Remove the Cat, then the K&N filter will maybe help They are good filters that flow better overall. Keep the stock cover it is quiet that is the point the other one is just for the placebo effect as you say it makes it louder. Great review thanks for the show. Fuel X makes it run richer so smoother. All bikes do better running rich but ya the economy goes away. I let my Z1000 stumble along lean it goes when I want it to.
@danielleclare2938 Prince charming! Yes, you indeed do need to change the camshaft and valve timings to get any noticeable improvements in top end performance. I've decatted several bikes...Great for weight saving and extra noise!
I recommend modifying fuel and air for just two cases. You installed an after market cam and decatted it for more power. You installed a side car,excluding the air filter, the FuelX will allow you to run more fuel to help the engine be cooler under the heavier load.
On my Hunter 350 (what is the same J serie's engine) i put a DNA air filter , stage two camshaft from Hitchcock motocycles , got rid of the cat. converter and put the new free flow muffler( it is not loud at all ) for the hunter from hitchcock on and the result is very good , i can almost keep up with my mate's KLR 650 (if needed) from zero to 100km per hour (60/65 miles per hour ) over that speed the KLR is faster (it would not be good if it was not , right ?) oh yeah the KLR does zero to 100km in about 6 seconds and my hunter 350 is not far off .and the fuel consumption is now if you ride it quick but not to fast ( not over 115 km per hour)is 1 liter petrol on 33km . i think that is not to bad , right ? oh yes i am talking from zero to 100 km per hour not from zero to 80 km per hour .
Bonjour Marc , Pour ma part je roule en 350 depuis bientôt deux ans, presque toujours en duo ( avec notre petit chien en plus 🐶🙂) , nous prenons essentiellement les nationales et départementales en France, notre dernier road trip a été de 750km sur 2 jours et en vrai ça n'a été que du bonheur ! Conclusion pour ma part : oui la 350 classic est faite aussi pour voyager pour peu qu'on ait l'état d'esprit qui aille avec : tranquille et pépère , vitesse de croisière 80/100 km/h ...✌️😉👍🇨🇵
Bonjour et merci pour votre retour. Je pars également pour un voyage plus long avec le Classic 350 cette année et je suis vraiment impatient de voir comment il se comporte sur un long tour. Beaucoup de salutations de Berlin.
I’d be interested in seeing a test at highway speeds, the bike consumes a huge amount when you have the throttle pinned, I’m wondering if that’s reduced. I saw a dyno test that showed the air filter adding 1.5 hp to the bike right at the high end of rpm, I think your shifting is sitting lower in the range and therefore no benefit is seen
Hello from Canada 🇨🇦… while I’m not a speedster, I do have a question about the bike’s capabilities when facing any situation where you need to get out of the way . So in other words can it get out of its way considering its weight to horse power ratio? Thank you 🙏
Hi, the acceleration should be good enough to get out of many situations, but of course it is no racer. The acceleration of my Vespa Gts 300 is better :-) Cheers Marc
Hi Marc, I find my 350 is perfect on motorways for 110kph but occasionally when it meets an incline or headwind, struggles to stay at 90kph. Does the filter and fuel x combo remedy this so i can keep her at s xonstsnt 110kph?
The medicine for that specific situation is as far as I`ve understood it: The Hitchcocks performance camshaft. It improves torque above 3000RPM in all gears. So you should see more power and higher average speed available when climbing an incline and in headwind.
i tested the acceleration of my bike before i got the dna filter, and have since tested with the DNA filter and noticed a significant difference. however i didn’t test it the way you did, DNA then back to stock. loud sound placebo could be likely, although i put music on in my helmet headset to drown it out, and still felt a significant change in the throttle when no longer focusing on the bikes sound. Additionally, my brother rides a significantly lighter 300cc bike himself, and i was more than able to keep up for the first time since i’ve ridden.
How wait until you’ve done 3 or 4000km. On your clock. I’ve got a 350 meteor with DNA filter and open airbox plus fuel x pro also fitted a Kent camshaft an under normal riding I get over 300 mls to a tank full that’s about almost 500km an reach 60mph. In third gear. Oh yeah, an a 16 tooth front sprocket 😎💪
Forgot to mention@@Marc.Stones I’ve also reduced a lot of weight by fitting an aftermarket exhaust, solo seat no centre stand an no luggage rack so reduced the weight by some 16kg. 😎
@@stevef8065 It actually seems to have both a rev limiter an it will cut power based on wheel speed measured by the ABS rings. The bike is not running in to the Rev limiter in high gear an stops pulling at the same speed if if you change gear ratios. (sprocket size)
The single biggest performance mod you can do to the classic 350, is to install the Hitchcock hi-lift cam, which gives a significant increase in horse power.
Vidéo tres utile et qui fait réfléchir sur la pertinence des mises a niveau. Je pense que le mieux est de laisser tout d'origine et de rouler à "la cool" sur petit axes pour augmenter sa distance ! Etant jeune je modifiai mes mobylettes 50 cc, résultat j'allais plus vite mais au détriment de l' accélération et la fiabilité ! Les ingénieurs développent les mloteurs avec les accéssoires prévus afin d'optimiser au mieux. Rouler eficient plus loin constitu une amélioration de performance !! Il y a pas de compromis possible, si on veut des sensations il y a de bonnes petites sportives comme aprilla et quand on veut rouler plaisirs en style sur des longs trajets il y a la Classic 350.🙂
Couple things to note. 1. Going off the speedo is not an accurate way to tell if there is any improvement. The speedometer is always off by 3mph here in the US so i imagine it being worse being KPM. 2. You have to use some sort of device that accurately tracks speed. I use a dragy and it shows my exact speed and even if im on flat ground. It shows a stupid amount of information to be able to tell if any of the modifications work vs just going off of a speedo. When i tested out my classic it hit 0-60mph in 12 seconds or under. VS stock being noted as 14 to 15 seconds
It's a comparison. The time taken until the needle reaches 80 kph to see if one configuration is quicker than the other. As long as the speedometer reading is repeatable then the actual speed achieved or the inaccuracy of the speedo is irrelevant.
Something is wrong in my opinion. Look, You have more air flow for sure. You have an electronic device which understand air to fuel ratio and can adopt engine characteristics. All these have to bring the change in performance.
Fuelx is wasted money. The air filter DNA TESTED brings 2 hp on my hunter. That's 10% . However it is a bit louder, but when traveling 80 km/h in 5 th you don't really hear it. Exalleration is clearly better in higher gears. Fuel X is wasted money. Cam and 16 sprocket is next. Adds another 4-5 hp . So ap. 26 hp. I rode a friend's hunter and it easy reaches 130 kmh and smoothly runs at 120 km/h . Too fast for Cambodia roads . Traveling speed 70-90 km/h max if not suicidal. ❤
Thanks for pointing out that both mods do nothing, or almost nothing. If you can not clearly tell the difference, and you are not sure you can measure any difference, then there *is* no difference.
the air filter is actually useful regardless. better quality, and the sound is great too. even if the difference in performance isn’t noticeable. personally i noticed it instantly when i used my own. i say let people try it out and try get the best from their bike :)
Marc, why don't you just sell it for a faster bike? Like an Interceptor or something? Acceleration and top speed aren't what this bike is about is it? I think you've bought the wrong bike my friend. Just sayin'....
Good video, thanks for the test 👍👍
Thanks!
Thanks for your support Patrick ✌️🙏🏻
I have the same experiences, more a placebo effect in performance because of the sound. But the engine runs smoother with the Fuel X and DNA air filter. Same effect with a loud exhaust, you think the acceleration is faster, but very often it isn't. ;-)
I think your document holder is restricting the DNA filter. I took that out. Also the engine does not loosen up properly until 12 to 15 hundred miles have been reached. These types of mods shouldn’t be used until fully run in. After run in, the results are significantly different.
The air is sucked in from below, not from the front of the cover
@@curtis164A clear unobstructed path is always a better solution for max airflow.
@@TheNorfolkThunderbolt So maybe deinstall the metal cover too, then the airflow will be perfect ;-)
@@MACO60 💨
Ich fand den dna filter für 110€ relativ teuer
Great video Marc! I think the DNA filter is a must.
Thanks for doing the comparative testing. I have a 2022 meteor fireball and found that the engine took 2000 km to free up. It kept improving even up to 3000 km. It is fantastic as a tourer and a frequent use town motorcycle. Its comfort zone is 80 to 90 kmh. If you need a bike that comfortably cruises at 100 to 120 then best to go with a bigger bike. I am getting around 2.8 litres per 100 km fairly consistently since it freed up.
Good information, thanks. I have the same bike for last 18 months. From new I noticed the throttle was a bit snatchy, a slight delay on response. I removed the exhaust that contains catalytic converter and muffler and installed after market, TOO LOUD! Then I put in a S&S baffle from my interceptor, perfect sound. I installed the DNA air filter and find the throttle response much better, smoother and no snatching. I was considering the fuel x but after your testing I won’t bother! These 350’s are a great bike, I own a 2010 Bullet 500, a 2023 Super Meteor and my 2022 C350 Chrome bronze, all great bikes but the 350 is the favourite to ride. Cheers from steamy Australia, it’s 37 degree heat here today!
Marc I just looked at my last stats on fill up. I’ve got 11,000km on my 350 now, last fuel up was 6.9 litres @242km on trip A. So that’s 35km per litre or 2.85 litres / 100km. A range of 480km is really good touring, I’ve done some good trips on mine, loaded up with camping gear and still plenty of room for comfort. I was looking to buy the alloy wheels and heidenau k60 scouts too, same reason for ease of roadside repair when touring! Love your videos, cheers, Rick from Oz.
Hi Rick, 2.85 L/100KM is a good fuel consumption and gives a good range for touring. I will test the fuel economy soon without the DNA air filter and the fuel X. I just have to wait for better weather to start my first road trip. My experiences with the Heidenau tires are very good so far. Have a safe ride! Cheers Marc
Thank you, Marc!
It's an interesting testing you did well.
Thanks for enduring the cold. Nice outfit you have!
Thanks Freddy :-)
So DNA is only sound but without Fuel x is some acceleration difference?
Thank you for the video. Please answer if you can? I have seen quite a few of the 350’s with fuelX . The comment is always made supposed to optimize the fuel.
The question is to what fuel target ratio?
Otherwise it’s just dumping fuel , which I assume is probably 5-10% richer is my guess??
The ECM dies not calibrate to the filter. Regardless it will always seek the factory AFR, reminder it’s a narrow band O2.
The fuel x is a piggy back so I can see a modest fuel increase must if the time to reduce jerky throttle and lower speed control.
Please check the air filter box next oil change. You will see dirt and dust that passes the filter. That’s what goes in your engine.
Also the original cover reduces water and debris from entering .
The only thing I would do is a booster plug. Nothing else.
I agree in this case staying stock. Enjoy that beautiful bike and save that money that in most cases gets you next to nothing in performance.
It is written on the fuel X website: "FuelX Lite comes with 1 Autotune Map which auto adjusts based on the mods, weather, altitude and riding style - FuelX smartly adapts to variations in riding style and engine characteristics, as well as to add-ons such as exhaust and air-filter"
I reinstalled the original air filter with the original cover, I don't know, if you get dirt and dust inside the engine with the DNA air filter, I think the build quality is very high and you are able to clean and oil it. :-)
So, to sum up the test: the new air filter and fuel-x brings no better performance at all, but makes the bike more noisy and increases the fuel consumption from 2,6 to 3,6lites/100km?! And it makes the bike lose the warranty? That seems like a no brainer to me! 😂 Thanks a lot for this great and very enlightening test, Marc!👍
Warranty is an important point for me as long as the bike is new. Some say they feel a better performance, for me there was not a huge difference but the engine runs much smoother and throttle response is better with no more popping sounds. ✌️
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Hi Marc, interesting video, thank you. If it's of any interest to you, I have the Hunter 350 and I check the fuel consumption, quite accurately, every time I fill up. I always use E5 fuel and regularly get about 120 miles per imperial gallon which works out at 2.355 litres per 100 Km. Also, I've had the Hunter for about 11 months and have covered nearly 5000 miles (8046 Km) and, to be honest, the fuel consumption hasn't changed, neither has the performance. I think the notion that engines get better with miles is probably a myth or the difference so small as to be not noticeable. I've owned quite a few bikes over the years and their economy and performance appear to remain the same from new ....... just my take as a mechanical engineer. I enjoy your videos, very well put together 👍
Hi, 2.3 L is a very good fuel consumption 👍 Maybe mine gets better if the engine has a few more miles on it, I am at 800 km at the moment :-) I will deinstall the fuel X and see if the fuel economy changes. Less would be better for my next planned road trip. Cheers Marc
You must have cared for your bikes very well. And your riding style could be the smooth one.
I am a come-back-rider choosing a bike and classic, single cylinder looks set to be my target....I hope to learn from you.... why you chose RE Hunter
If you don't mind sharing your thoughts 😅
@@freddy9210 I really like the look of the Hunter. It reminds me, a bit, of my first bike in 1973 (BSA C15) and I like it's simplicity and of course the sound it makes. It's great for enjoying the quieter country roads and it's so easy to handle in town, too. The build quality and general finish is very good and I've had no problems so far. I would recommend any of the RE 350 singles, the engine is a gem 😊
@PAGallagher Have you tried the honda cb350? If yes, I hope to hear your decision of not choosing it.
I have narrowed my choices to RE350 Meteo and CB350.
@@freddy9210 The Honda is also a great looking bike with similar power to the RE 350s but unfortunately, it wasn't available here, in the UK, when I bought my Hunter. Yes, the Meteor is a lovely looking bike too 👍
Dear Marc. To make the test 100% correct, you have to give a look on the color of the igniter plug. The new air filter gives a lot of more air. So I could imagine, that the automatic recalibration with the DNA filter don't works properly.
Much more air means that the ignition needs also more fuel that the propotion (air - fuel) is correct. Otherwise the engine runs to hot and you risk an engine damage.
Hi, the Fuel X recalibrates automatically the air fuel mixture, especially when the DNA filter is installed, so there are no problems with the temperature. Cheers Marc
@@Marc.Stones yes, but it means to use the DNA filter without the fuel x is risky.
So, to sum up the test: the new air filter and fuel-x brings no better performance at all, but makes the bike more noisy and increases the fuel consumption from 2,6 to 3,6lites/100km?! And it makes the bije lose the warranty? That seems like a no brainer to me! 😂 Thanks a lot for this great and very enlightens test, Marc!
People first need to know how engine works. The computer will adjust fuel to air mix only when you idle or steady on the throtle. In this case the computer is using data from lambda sensor and adjust for emisions and consumption, not performance. Every time you open the throttle the computer switches to pre determined map, and lambda sensor is not used, thus dna filter and fuelx are waste of money. Only way to realy add performance and make use of mods added is to remap the engine.
Great test vid👍
Late comment sorry.
There is a guy in the USA who tested the Fuel X claim of cooler engine temperature running using an infra red thermometer.
The result was as Hitchcock also said 10 degrees cooler with the Fuel X .
Which on an aircooled engine is alot.
So I will fit one plus as Marco says reduces over run pops and gives smoother delivery.
Thank you Marc. Your set up is beautiful with the RE Classic. I love the paint colour and your panniers and jacket! I would stick with the original set up!
To stick with the original setting is always good and saves a lot of money you can spend for a nice weekend road trip :-)
Thank you for the comparrison, helps me to make decision in what to invest. Cheers
Next try the Hitchcock's cam. It's a real game changer.
Thank you for a real world look at upgrades and fuel economy. I would leave the engine stock but put those wheels on because tubes are ridiculously prone to punctures.
SS
Are they prone to punctures? Not in my experience...but tubeless easier to road side fix.
@@nikoscosmos
Yup. And tubeless are a LOT easier to get moving again and there are spoke wheels made with tubeless but many manufacturers are too cheap to make those stock items.
SS
@SS-ck3ew the new Himalayan has tubeless spoked as an option , allegedly.
@@nikoscosmos Yes, that is the only one I will be looking at buying! Thanks!
SS
Very interesting conclusions Marc ... and fair play for going out in -5 degrees! 🥶
Thanks Ken ✌️
The guys at Hitchcock mentioned to start riding when you install dna air filter and go through all the gears etc for 15-20 mins for the ecu to calibrate new readings and not leave in idle sitting there for 15 minutes as it’s only getting readings of idle. They also mentioned fuel x is not needed as ecu can cope with just air filter and exhaust change.
Thanks for the feedback 👍
When I added the fuel X on my hunter, what I noticed very quickly over leaving it stock was how it smoothed the bit of jerkiness of the throttle on off. It feels a little more refined. Also have the DNA filter and it is a great combo in my opinion. As soon as there are a few more options for a full exhaust, that is what I will do next to see the difference from stock.
@@Marc.Stones no worries, lovely review as always enjoy watching and very brave of you riding in this weather
Hmmm. Less than one second better acceleration. Louder exhaust. Perhaps a bit smoother with less popping on deceleration. Poorer fuel economy. Negative effect on the warranty during the warranty period.
Easy decision for me at least. If the 350 is truly lacking what I feel I need, then I probably need another bike…
As for the cam modification, after watching several channels where that has been done, it appears that even that improvement comes with a heavy dose of subjectivity.
Me thinks I’ll stick with stock and love it for what it is.
Very nice comparisons! Thanks for that!👍😎
I think the Classic 350 is good in stock setting. The modifications just make the engine run smoother and the throttle response is better. At high temperature it might also run cooler with the fuel X. Cheers Marc
Hi Marc, congratulations on your videos, they are very interesting and well done
Thanks a lot Francesco :-)
Hallo Marc! Wieder ein gutes und informatives Video! Bin da ganz bei dir, wer das ganze Geld in Nockenwelle und sonstigen Umbauten bzgl Motorleistung steckt, sollte sich gleich ein anderes Motorrad kaufen. Ich finde, dass das gerade den Charme der Classic ausmacht mit ihr gemütlich dahinzufahren und die Entschleunigung zu genießen. Aber jeder wie er möchte. Mich würde aber interessieren ob der Benzinverbrauch nur mit dem DNA-Filter, ohne Fuel X Lite, auch höher als mit dem Originalfilter ist? Hast du da auch einen Erfahrungswert? Das wäre die einzige Umstellung die ich bei meiner Classic machen will, da ich denke das der Motor dadurch mehr Luft bekommt und nicht so schnell heiß wird.
Gruß und Dank im Voraus Erwin
Hallo Erwin, bisher konnte ich nur den DNA Filter mit dem Fuel X testen, der höhere Verbrauch kommt sicher eher vom Fuel X. Nur mit dem Filter sollte er sich bei gleicher Fahrweise nicht verändern. Die geringere Temperatur des Motors wird nur durch den Fuel X erreicht, nicht durch den Luftfilter, da das Benzin Luft gemisch erhöht wird. Viele Grüße aus Berlin Marc
I got my fuel x lite installed recently on my classic 350. I waited to complete several road trips before I reach a conclusion and by now I’m pretty sure that it’s a complete waste of money. I feel that it dulls the engine response. So yes at low gears the throttle is a bit less jerky but also the bike is less “peppy” overall. Better save your time and money.
Regarding the fuel consumption -
Keep in mind you ran the bike at idle for 10 minutes x 2 twice. Once for the DNA filter & I assume again for the standard filter. That's 20 minutes of idling. Then you did several hard acceleration speed runs. I think you should test KPL under normal riding conditions. To compare Fuel Lite with standard. Anyways - love the clip - great work.
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So individual adjustments or modifications will feel minute however when you combine a number of modifications the bike will start feeling better and you will notice some added acceleration and performance. Most people prefer to install a fuelx system, Dna stage 2 filter, new camshaft, cat delete, exhaust, shocks and struts. All these combine give you a noticeable improvement in performance. Its more of an added torque and acceleration and will not at to top end speed because the speed limiter still keeps max speed at 75 mph.
I don't think the air filter itself is louder. It's the lack of the air filter cover. The conspiracies of motorcyclists know no bounds.
That‘s right it‘s because of the open air filter cover of the DNA filter set. Bigger opening more intake noise. ✌️
My dealer tells me I do not lose the warranty at least where I take mine. Especially as it runs significantly cooler. You need to also update whole exhaust system with larger bore front pipe, including mods you did to make a noticeable difference. Mine runs lovely and is definitely faster.
Thanks for your feedback ✌
I couldn't make out the brand of panniers on your Classic. They look great with your upgraded seat. I also have faster bikes, so I'll be keeping my 350 in it's stock form. 👍👍5🏍🙋♂️
The panniers are from Hepco & Becker. The Classic 350 is very good in the stock settings, I also had no problems before customization, great bike for cruising. ✌
@@Marc.Stones Great video. I am awaiting delivery of a 2023 Classic and was considering the DNA filter and the FuelX. It is good to see real world data with those mods installed. On the Hitchcock site I see there are two FuelX modules, Lite and the Pro.
I will be buying panniers and your look terrific. Years ago I had Hepco & Becker on my BMW airhead and they look fabulous on the Classic. What kind of mounting hardware do they require and are they available from H & B or Royal Enfield? Thanks again.
@@georgewashington687 There is a U mount from Hepco & Becker for the Royal Enfield Classic 350 available.
Induction improvements will only occur when the exhaust flow is increased. They are all one flow path and out makes more effect than in. Remove the Cat, then the K&N filter will maybe help They are good filters that flow better overall. Keep the stock cover it is quiet that is the point the other one is just for the placebo effect as you say it makes it louder. Great review thanks for the show. Fuel X makes it run richer so smoother. All bikes do better running rich but ya the economy goes away. I let my Z1000 stumble along lean it goes when I want it to.
Thanks for your feedback and tipps :-)
? There's a great big compressor between the inlet and exhaust but yes the cat does restrict flow
Congrats on a useless comment. Ever heard of valve overlap and inertia??? Time to broaden your horizions. @@nikoscosmos
@danielleclare2938 Prince charming!
Yes, you indeed do need to change the camshaft and valve timings to get any noticeable improvements in top end performance. I've decatted several bikes...Great for weight saving and extra noise!
Saving weight is free horsepower. I agree. Lose 10 lbs go faster. @@nikoscosmos
I recommend modifying fuel and air for just two cases.
You installed an after market cam and decatted it for more power.
You installed a side car,excluding the air filter, the FuelX will allow you to run more fuel to help the engine be cooler under the heavier load.
Good job!!!🤠
Thanks for this test ..😊
Thanks :-)
On my Hunter 350 (what is the same J serie's engine) i put a DNA air filter , stage two camshaft from Hitchcock motocycles , got rid of the cat. converter and put the new free flow muffler( it is not loud at all ) for the hunter from hitchcock on and the result is very good , i can almost keep up with my mate's KLR 650 (if needed) from zero to 100km per hour (60/65 miles per hour ) over that speed the KLR is faster (it would not be good if it was not , right ?) oh yeah the KLR does zero to 100km in about 6 seconds and my hunter 350 is not far off .and the fuel consumption is now if you ride it quick but not to fast ( not over 115 km per hour)is 1 liter petrol on 33km . i think that is not to bad , right ? oh yes i am talking from zero to 100 km per hour not from zero to 80 km per hour .
Seems the camshaft with the exhaust is a good modification to increase the performance. Did you changed the air filter and installed the Fuel X too?
@@Marc.Stones yes the DNA air filter was the first thing i did , no fuel x yet , but i will soon
Bonjour Marc ,
Pour ma part je roule en 350 depuis bientôt deux ans, presque toujours en duo ( avec notre petit chien en plus 🐶🙂) , nous prenons essentiellement les nationales et départementales en France, notre dernier road trip a été de 750km sur 2 jours et en vrai ça n'a été que du bonheur !
Conclusion pour ma part : oui la 350 classic est faite aussi pour voyager pour peu qu'on ait l'état d'esprit qui aille avec : tranquille et pépère , vitesse de croisière 80/100 km/h ...✌️😉👍🇨🇵
Bonjour et merci pour votre retour. Je pars également pour un voyage plus long avec le Classic 350 cette année et je suis vraiment impatient de voir comment il se comporte sur un long tour. Beaucoup de salutations de Berlin.
@@Marc.Stones ✌️😉👍🇨🇵
I wonder if that document holder right next to the intake restrcts it a bit?
No, I don’t think so, the air is sucked in from below.
A negative point, you lose the warranty.
also with the dna filter?
Not really
Just remove add on and restore to factory.
I’d be interested in seeing a test at highway speeds, the bike consumes a huge amount when you have the throttle pinned, I’m wondering if that’s reduced.
I saw a dyno test that showed the air filter adding 1.5 hp to the bike right at the high end of rpm, I think your shifting is sitting lower in the range and therefore no benefit is seen
keep the fuel x/dna filter and get a decat pipe ... makes the engine run cooler .Allows it to breath lasts longer , runs smoother
Love your videos Marc! Thanks!
Hello from Canada 🇨🇦… while I’m not a speedster, I do have a question about the bike’s capabilities when facing any situation where you need to get out of the way . So in other words can it get out of its way considering its weight to horse power ratio?
Thank you 🙏
Hi, the acceleration should be good enough to get out of many situations, but of course it is no racer. The acceleration of my Vespa Gts 300 is better :-) Cheers Marc
The DNA air filter gives 10% more power on the dyno, so it makes a lot of difference. You are brave going out in those temperatures.
How would this compare with the Honda CB350 single?
Hi..
Whats about spark NGK IRIDIUM for this classic??
😮
Thanks!!!
Hi, I did not try the iridium plug on my Classic 350
@@Marc.Stones I know of someone who has done the same thing as you + ngk iridium namely. 😃👍👍👍👍
Blöde Frage, aber wieviel lauter wird die RE??
Kommt man da an die Grenzen der Betriebserlaubnis?
Nein, so laut nicht, nur das Ansauggeräusch ist lauter. Nicht so laut wie ein Sportauspuff.
Hi Marc, I find my 350 is perfect on motorways for 110kph but occasionally when it meets an incline or headwind, struggles to stay at 90kph. Does the filter and fuel x combo remedy this so i can keep her at s xonstsnt 110kph?
The DNA Air filter helps a bit, but mine struggles also at inclines or headwind.
The medicine for that specific situation is as far as I`ve understood it: The Hitchcocks performance camshaft. It improves torque above 3000RPM in all gears. So you should see more power and higher average speed available when climbing an incline and in headwind.
Very informative video, thank you from a new subscriber😊
Thanks for subscribing 👍🏻😎
Wow what an interesting acceleration test! I wonder why you did not measure it to 76.5 kmh that would make much more sense for all
Wie immer sehr gutes Video.. lg Mario aus Berlin 1:03 😊❤
Danke und liebe Grüße zurück ✌
yes the DNA air filter was the first thing i did , no fuel x yet , but i will soon
Thank you
i tested the acceleration of my bike before i got the dna filter, and have since tested with the DNA filter and noticed a significant difference.
however i didn’t test it the way you did, DNA then back to stock.
loud sound placebo could be likely, although i put music on in my helmet headset to drown it out, and still felt a significant change in the throttle when no longer focusing on the bikes sound.
Additionally, my brother rides a significantly lighter 300cc bike himself, and i was more than able to keep up for the first time since i’ve ridden.
Thanks for your feedback. ✌
How wait until you’ve done 3 or 4000km. On your clock. I’ve got a 350 meteor with DNA filter and open airbox plus fuel x pro also fitted a Kent camshaft an under normal riding I get over 300 mls to a tank full that’s about almost 500km an reach 60mph. In third gear. Oh yeah, an a 16 tooth front sprocket 😎💪
Sounds interesting, I am curious to see how the Classic 350 rides after 400 miles. Thanks for your feedback ✌️
Forgot to mention@@Marc.Stones I’ve also reduced a lot of weight by fitting an aftermarket exhaust, solo seat no centre stand an no luggage rack so reduced the weight by some 16kg. 😎
Does the upgrades increase top speed?
No, the Classic 350 has a speed limiter.
@@Marc.Stones Honestly I have never heard of a speed limiter, do you mean a rev limiter?
Yes, I meant a rev limiter. 🤓
@@stevef8065 It actually seems to have both a rev limiter an it will cut power based on wheel speed measured by the ABS rings. The bike is not running in to the Rev limiter in high gear an stops pulling at the same speed if if you change gear ratios. (sprocket size)
@@RebelCowboysRVs totaly correct
Does DNA air filter affects fuel average …..does average increase or decrease
I could not notice a difference.
Sir price kya hai
The single biggest performance mod you can do to the classic 350, is to install the Hitchcock hi-lift cam, which gives a significant increase in horse power.
Vidéo tres utile et qui fait réfléchir sur la pertinence des mises a niveau. Je pense que le mieux est de laisser tout d'origine et de rouler à "la cool" sur petit axes pour augmenter sa distance ! Etant jeune je modifiai mes mobylettes 50 cc, résultat j'allais plus vite mais au détriment de l' accélération et la fiabilité ! Les ingénieurs développent les mloteurs avec les accéssoires prévus afin d'optimiser au mieux. Rouler eficient plus loin constitu une amélioration de performance !! Il y a pas de compromis possible, si on veut des sensations il y a de bonnes petites sportives comme aprilla et quand on veut rouler plaisirs en style sur des longs trajets il y a la Classic 350.🙂
Couple things to note.
1. Going off the speedo is not an accurate way to tell if there is any improvement. The speedometer is always off by 3mph here in the US so i imagine it being worse being KPM.
2. You have to use some sort of device that accurately tracks speed. I use a dragy and it shows my exact speed and even if im on flat ground. It shows a stupid amount of information to be able to tell if any of the modifications work vs just going off of a speedo.
When i tested out my classic it hit 0-60mph in 12 seconds or under. VS stock being noted as 14 to 15 seconds
It's a comparison. The time taken until the needle reaches 80 kph to see if one configuration is quicker than the other. As long as the speedometer reading is repeatable then the actual speed achieved or the inaccuracy of the speedo is irrelevant.
Something is wrong in my opinion. Look, You have more air flow for sure. You have an electronic device which understand air to fuel ratio and can adopt engine characteristics. All these have to bring the change in performance.
The only things that are works well - are the decat pipe and air filter open cover! IMHO...😀
I wish someone did these types of test for duke 250 aswell with those mods
Thanks for saving me $250! (the money I would have spent on the two items).
I think the Classic 350 is very good in stock settings, you will have a lot of fun with it. Maybe better spend the money on a nice road trip 👍🏻
Good video❤
Fuelx is wasted money. The air filter DNA TESTED brings 2 hp on my hunter. That's 10% . However it is a bit louder, but when traveling 80 km/h in 5 th you don't really hear it. Exalleration is clearly better in higher gears. Fuel X is wasted money. Cam and 16 sprocket is next. Adds another 4-5 hp . So ap. 26 hp. I rode a friend's hunter and it easy reaches 130 kmh and smoothly runs at 120 km/h . Too fast for Cambodia roads . Traveling speed 70-90 km/h max if not suicidal. ❤
Thanks for pointing out that both mods do nothing, or almost nothing. If you can not clearly tell the difference, and you are not sure you can measure any difference, then there *is* no difference.
Interesting test. There is no race horse waiting to be released with these alterations. Personally I feel you are just wasting your money.
Of course not :-) but the engine runs much smoother.
Waste of money. Aftermarketeers are just after your💰
the air filter is actually useful regardless. better quality, and the sound is great too. even if the difference in performance isn’t noticeable. personally i noticed it instantly when i used my own. i say let people try it out and try get the best from their bike :)
all thant en quasi no different
Marc, why don't you just sell it for a faster bike? Like an Interceptor or something? Acceleration and top speed aren't what this bike is about is it? I think you've bought the wrong bike my friend. Just sayin'....
C'est juste bon pour te faire depenser de l'argent ....
Omg that is so slow 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
So called performance parts are a con.