Alright so thought I might as well leave a run analysis here with timestamps: | 0:32 | Straight line braking for the first corner is best to get the shortest stopping distance possible, but also a careful balance not to overbrake and make the car understeer. Thus the need for trail braking to just slide the rear ever so slightly pointed right for the exit. | 0:42 | It was a surprise to see a slow car at the start of the run, but even more so for him to let me past! I am extremely grateful for that, but you might see that I had to move my braking point slightly forwards just to make sure I didn't swipe his front end. As such my entry speed and line is slightly compromised, but at least it gives me a really cool drift and a perfect thumbnail :D | 0:50 | This is the first of the hairpins to utilise the handbrake. Indicated by the small drops in the RPM, I do these very light and brief taps just to initiate slight rotation in the car, meaning I can run a slightly tighter line but angled right for the apex. Building up the boost is key! | 1:20 | Absolute send! The car turns its best when on full throttle, so doing this takes full commitment and I was lucky it stuck! Maybe a bit too sideways on exit scrubbing some speed, but that's more than compensated by the corner speed! | 1:48 | Contrary to popular belief, gutter runs in AC don't quite work as well as in the ever famous anime, but taking this gutter on this corner is about using as much road as possible to decrease the radius you have to turn on the exit, meaning a quicker exit speed. But even here I think I prioritised for a tighter entry line instead, so an even quicker exit is possible! | 2:00 | Actually not as good as it could have been! The entry was fantastic, but I lifted slightly to try and avoid the wall. It can be done on full throttle, but while you turn better you carry even more speed, making it even more of a risk. | 2:20 | This whole section is *crucial* for laptime. The 1st right I keep to the right as much as possible to then open up the 1st left to be flat out! Then you brake slightly for the double apex right to get a slight slide and then aim the car for the right side flat out again, to then take out-in-out for the long left. I think I braked too late for the double apex right on this run, meaning I slid out wide and couldn't get on the throttle as early as usual, but otherwise this section was wicked to go through! | 2:55 | Another section with high risk and high reward! If you turn into the 1st left early enough, you can line up the car square up on the left side to take a smooth line for the right hander, but its also a run-killer if you hit those two pieces of guardrail! This part I didn't get so perfect, so I instead just aimed to get my car through the switchback section as straight and as full throttle as possible, before slowing for the opening-radius hairpin with careful use of the handbrake. The entry could definitely be improved some more, but the exit is as good as it gets! | 3:36 | This is certainly something to talk about. You might notice that the car actually stops quite quickly, so quick that I actually turn in somewhat too early and push the car wide on exit. Out of nowhere, I just decided to try tapping the handbrake while straight line braking, and it seems to shorten braking distances quite considerably. It basically meant I stopped earlier than I expected and hence turned in earlier than I should. I'll certainly keep this in mind for any subsequent runs! | 4:29 | This is less about lap analysis and more about replay anomalies. I have no idea where the sparks are coming from, as the car isn't bottoming out or hitting anything. I can only presume its some sort of debris from the grass or other cars, or that its just Custom Shaders Patch being weird. It is kinda cool from the external camera though, but maybe a little too much on the onboard, and it doesn't make sense as to where they're coming from. Just something I'd thought I'd explain for those curious. | 4:50 | Probably my favourite part of the entire run. Confident straight line braking angled towards the corner, then with a slight slide (possible handbrake) to balance the car with no countersteer. Just a fantastic feeling, and probably feeling even cooler with a massive kick from the rear on exit (could be potentially slower but at least I held it lol). | 5:05 | I notice a lot of people take different lines here. Some will want to run the long left hander out to the right side and keep it tight for the right. Others will take the line I did with hugging the inside guardrail and getting the right hander as straight as possible. I feel like I take both actually, depending on how well I can get the car turned into the left and how the car would react on a tight line into the right. This time round I felt like taking the tight line, but I think I'll experiment with both lines for future runs. Thats just my 2 cents on some key moments I chose. Feel free to ask me about any other parts that intrigue you!
Incredible run! I really wonder if we'll ever make to under the 5 minute mark some day without using tyre blankets. Also as an aside, the Mt Akina ported from IDAS has much deeper gutters and is a lot more true to the real world roads than the current rFactor port used on servers like Touge Union (especially the track surface). On the IDAS port the gutters can actually be used to gain time, as they were IRL in the 80s and 90s.
yea thanks for that im not sure we can do under 5 without blankets but who knows lol. IDAS Akina is quite heavy on systems compared to Akina 2017, and while stuff like the gutters and elevation are actually better than this Akina, there's also a lot of other liberties the track takes to suit it for Arcade Stage. Honestly I've never really driven it that much as its not really used online or for time attack as much, I think especially because of the system intensity, and while it isnt the worst on my system it doesn't run as smoothly like this version. Project Kaido's Haruna will be really interesting to see when that's done, as it should combine everything great that each version has into one definitive scratch made track, but maybe at a paid cost. It will probably limit the playerbase of the map if so but the cost will likely be worth it like PK Irohazaka
Ok apparently the formatting got fucked with line breakers that looked fine on my PC but not on mobile, so I just fixed it. Should be more clear to read now lol
@4:21 onto the last straight I notice all of the faster drivers tend to stay as straight as possible in the left lane versus trying to perform the slight apex which is available in the middle of where the wall is. I had 2 instances where a driver of equal skill level was able to slightly pull ahead by apexing slightly and not just going straight only in the left lane, my question is does the left lane method offer a higher top speed for the straight and is that why the top guys are using this line versus the slight apex?
Tbh (I’m assuming your talking about 4:40 btw) it’s probably out of habit of trying to stay as left as possible for the outside line when really yes I probably could move over to the right to cut the line and distance just a tiny bit. Mentally it can feel a little wrong to be moving on a straight tho (even if there’s a slight right kink) so that’s probably why. Plus I only gain like 0.01-02 on my delta so
Yea thx m8 your guys’ early Touge videos really did inspire me to take up AC and hone my skills on the mountain. Even though Touge is now just a small fragment of my whole sim racing skillset it’s still something I find really fun to do and something that gives me a marker for progress every time I pick up a new racing league with new cars and tracks to see whether I’ve improved as a driver. I do wish I could showcase my broader sim racing activities but during league races recording isn’t really too viable lol, hence why most of this channel is mainly edited content. Hope I can upgrade the PC tho and make this a possibility for more regular content.
I feel like all my knowledge on driving techniques to be faster have been wrong all this time. Now I see that going faster on mid corner is slower, you opened my eyes
yea there is a general rule of 'slow-in, fast-out' to achieve the best entry line and the best corner exit, but it also depends on car to car. this rx7 gains or loses the most time on the exits, as you can either accelerate too early and spin up the rears, or too late and not get the boost up. hence why the mid-corner speed might be slower than if it was an NA car. meanwhile, the Mx5 ND is a car that has skinny rear tyres that can't handle too much power on exit, so you want to carry a decent amount of entry and mid corner speed so that you don't have to accelerate as much. comparing yours and this run is a good place to start on identifying what works for this car and what doesnt, but also remember to not stress over the final times or the execution too much. every time i tried to grind to beat someone elses time, i would just burn myself out and get into a cycle of crashing and pitting to get the 'perfect' run, when really few of the world record runs are truely 'perfect'. 5:06 was the absolute limit 2 years ago set by Teekhy, but it turns out that those nights i would be shitting myself over trying to get the faultless run would end up with me getting this time with a fair few mistakes but overall great execution, purely because i didn't kick myself everytime i made mistakes, but just pressed on to keep getting improvements. idk thats just my 2 cents on how i think but best of luck to you on getting quicker
@@JaydenHW well it was said that a geometric apex can be faster when the corner exits to a short straight or another corner, that's probably why Akina TA's take such a tight line on the hairpins
Yea very true, but where it gets interesting is trying to shorten the entry line as much as possible while retaining the exit speed, because there’s a lot you can do to manipulate the balance of the car so that you can angle yourself better for the exit, such as taps of the handbrake or just very good trailbraking. So yes some hairpins need a fast exit line, but with the proper technique you don’t have to run out as wide to get the right angle for the exit. It also applies to the more technical sections to be able to brake later or turn in sharper to save time as well. Idk that’s really just an expansion of your point of how it applies to this run. You’ll see how I can manipulate the car’s balance a fair bit to get the best line I can
@@JaydenHW I rewatch baba's Akina runs as much as I practice and even his lines are just as tight as yours, but the difference is that he takes alot of sideways action without the use of handbrake while you use every stick you can jack on your side (lol). Is this just driver preference or the car itself?
Certainly driving style. Whenever I drive the AE86 Tuned I’m always trying to minimise as much wasteful sliding as possible, whereas Baba can carry the momentum through with a slide. Basically grip vs drift. I’ve got my PB down to 5:10.45, which if I can iron out some mistakes I think I can match his record of 5.09.9. It’s a very different way of driving, where I basically have better exits and mid corner speed while he has better rotation for turn in.
Jose javier hausdorf pmuch although the understeer isn’t necessarily intended lol. See the usual way to get that exit line is to go for a wide entry and turn in late, but there’s a couple problems for doing that here and other Touges unlike closed circuit. 1. hairpins are generally tighter on Touges than on circuits. 2. Straights aren’t as long or as straight (think skating rink right hander with wall) as circuits As such, taking a wide entry line means travelling a longer distance than a short entry line, thus meaning you lose time. On the contrary, if you take a tight entry, you cut the distance of the corner down saving time, but you also position the car at a worse angle to exit, meaning you have to turn more instead of accelerating as straight. So really, what can be abused in these street cars is the handbrake, but not to initiate slides and stuff, but to instead be able to rotate the car to any appropriate angle. This means that a shallow entry line can be taken like shown here, while also being able to rotate the car to be at a better angle for the exit. It also allows you to take more speed into the corner while on a tighter line, as you can always tap the handbrake to rotate the car towards the exit, albeit being the risk you handbrake too much and slide the car, losing time. The other thing about this car is the turbo lag. Not only does it take a lot of time for the boost to rise, but it also needs high enough RPM to produce sufficient boost. A shallow entry line means if you have to turn a lot as you accelerate on the exit, either A you can’t accelerate as early so boost can’t be built up and you lose power, or B you accelerate too early and build up boost too quickly and spin the rear tyres up. So by using the handbrake to correct the yaw of the car, we can position it to be much more compliant on exit, meaning earlier throttle and faster exit. That should be the jist of the cornering technique for this car, but if there’s anything you think I missed please feel free to comment.
So Ive noticed when driving the same car that my times have been about 25 seconds slower. I was jus lookin for some tips that might improve my driving a bit. I feel like im braking a bit too early and that may be the cause of it because those seconds will definitely add up in each corner. Im not positive on that tho because Ive tried braking later and sometimes i wont slow down enough and jus end up eatin the guardrail or scraping it with my rear end. I figure it takes practice though.
Yea the brake timing has to be quire precise, but also the brake control. The only reason I can brake so late is because I can also get the car turned in with trailbraking. Basically, whenever you brake hard you don’t turn as well, so as you start to turn you have to start letting off the brake slowly. It might sound counterintuitive as usually later braking = faster, so therefore you try and brake as late as possible. But in reality late braking is only good when you can have a fast corner entry without understeering wide. That’s something I’ve practiced for a while, so I suggest you watch videos on how to trailbrake and stuff. Late braking is only a small part of how you go fast; you consider how you take the whole corner without sacrificing too much speed in any part like corner entry, apex and exit
@@JaydenHW So trailbreaking is similar to braking without abs? Im sure usin the engine brake by downshifting quicker helps a bit and also loosins the car up more while the wheel is turned, correct me if Im wrong about that though.
So there’s a distinction between trailbraking and threshold braking. Threshold braking is mainly for braking without ABS, where you don’t hit the brakes fully and instead modulate it based on how much grip the tyres have. Trailbraking is more about your technique of easing off the brake pedal gradually to get the most front grip, as too little brake and you don’t put enough load on the front tyres and you don’t turn in as well, while too much brake and you overload the tyre and understeer (even without locking the front tyres). Basically trailbraking can be used in all cars while threshold braking is more for cars without ABS (some cars hate triggering ABS though which then you might threshold brake instead of full brake but that’s another matter). As for your downshifting, generally yes you want to try and make your downshifts smooth and as early as possible with a heel toe throttle blip, however I can’t recommend overreving the engine as that can make cars too unstable and destroy the engine if damage is on. Some fast guys like Blazo overrev on downshifts but I personally don’t like it just so I get consistent braking
I can only get to 5:09.. maybe i should try out again. I cared too much for driving gentle and get a full grip but i guess sliding a bit in the cornor is more faster. Amazing vid by the way keep up the good run!
Oh wow nice to see ppl still attack the old akina. iirc this run was actually slightly improved to a 5:04 flat on Touge Life 1, but before I could improve it TL1 changed to EK Akina and I also thought I lost the hard drive of the original replay. But I actually recently re-acquired the data off the old drive and should have that replay. Ofc I don't have the outright no TB RX7 record on Akina 2017 since Dingo got the 5:03 before I could, but the 5:04 flat is still the TL1 Akina 2017 record. Maybe I'll upload the replay as either a link or as a YT video.
could I get some tips on how to find so much grip. I can only manage a 5:23 but I noticed you are able to corner at such higher speeds than I even thought remotely possible. Are you also using a custom setup to help reduce the tendancy to oversteer?
I'm jealous of this speed lmao... My PB is only a 5:14 but with tyre blankets :< Any tips that could help me go faster on no tyre blankets as well?? I suggest making an in-depth video about going fast if you can, it would be really appreciated! Keep up the good work man!
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ill consider it thanks. getting good times is a very broad concept that differs from car to car and track to track, so do you want a tutorial on how to drive Akina fast (driving lines, braking points, etc.)? how to learn new tracks efficiently to achieve good times? or how to learn the characteristics of a car to be quicker? happy to help just let me know.
@@razorjk5974 heya would be happy to help. does my pinned comment make sense as to what i did and why? also i wouldn't mind seeing a replay, as i can outline very general things but having a replay would be great for a comparison of what you can do to get time gains
@@JaydenHW ye I guess I can understand how you shorted time with that explanation, also I'm impressed that despite the fact that this is an incredible record is possible to shorten even more like 2 sec or more I would say, I always drive the ae86 tuned when I'm in tl1 so if u can give me any advice for that car would be great, I can upload a replay too. I can try with the fd if is needed.
@@JaydenHW Btw if this info serves u to help me, my style of driving is to drift (with the foot brake) on almost every corner but with the less countersteer possible (sometimes zero countersteer) and without drifting on the exit (only pointing the car straight to the exit) also I focus on mid corner speed or on exit speed depending of the corner, I focus (maybe too much) in use the whole road without use the grass. My setup is stock except the suspension that is max out soft and high, 26psi front 25 rear, brake bias 70% front and diff throttle 50 and braking 25. My pb is 5.15 (when I was slower I always used the grip, the only reason I drift on 4 wheels now is because I hate to understeer only, I hate countersteer and because I feel that I can exit faster in some corners with that)
![PK Akina 4:40.874 AE86 Tuned | Touge Life 1 [Valid Record]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/LgZKs7M5fiM/mqdefault.jpg)
Alright so thought I might as well leave a run analysis here with timestamps:
| 0:32 |
Straight line braking for the first corner is best to get the shortest stopping distance possible, but also a careful balance not to overbrake and make the car understeer. Thus the need for trail braking to just slide the rear ever so slightly pointed right for the exit.
| 0:42 |
It was a surprise to see a slow car at the start of the run, but even more so for him to let me past! I am extremely grateful for that, but you might see that I had to move my braking point slightly forwards just to make sure I didn't swipe his front end. As such my entry speed and line is slightly compromised, but at least it gives me a really cool drift and a perfect thumbnail :D
| 0:50 |
This is the first of the hairpins to utilise the handbrake. Indicated by the small drops in the RPM, I do these very light and brief taps just to initiate slight rotation in the car, meaning I can run a slightly tighter line but angled right for the apex. Building up the boost is key!
| 1:20 |
Absolute send! The car turns its best when on full throttle, so doing this takes full commitment and I was lucky it stuck! Maybe a bit too sideways on exit scrubbing some speed, but that's more than compensated by the corner speed!
| 1:48 |
Contrary to popular belief, gutter runs in AC don't quite work as well as in the ever famous anime, but taking this gutter on this corner is about using as much road as possible to decrease the radius you have to turn on the exit, meaning a quicker exit speed. But even here I think I prioritised for a tighter entry line instead, so an even quicker exit is possible!
| 2:00 |
Actually not as good as it could have been! The entry was fantastic, but I lifted slightly to try and avoid the wall. It can be done on full throttle, but while you turn better you carry even more speed, making it even more of a risk.
| 2:20 |
This whole section is *crucial* for laptime. The 1st right I keep to the right as much as possible to then open up the 1st left to be flat out! Then you brake slightly for the double apex right to get a slight slide and then aim the car for the right side flat out again, to then take out-in-out for the long left. I think I braked too late for the double apex right on this run, meaning I slid out wide and couldn't get on the throttle as early as usual, but otherwise this section was wicked to go through!
| 2:55 |
Another section with high risk and high reward! If you turn into the 1st left early enough, you can line up the car square up on the left side to take a smooth line for the right hander, but its also a run-killer if you hit those two pieces of guardrail! This part I didn't get so perfect, so I instead just aimed to get my car through the switchback section as straight and as full throttle as possible, before slowing for the opening-radius hairpin with careful use of the handbrake. The entry could definitely be improved some more, but the exit is as good as it gets!
| 3:36 |
This is certainly something to talk about. You might notice that the car actually stops quite quickly, so quick that I actually turn in somewhat too early and push the car wide on exit. Out of nowhere, I just decided to try tapping the handbrake while straight line braking, and it seems to shorten braking distances quite considerably. It basically meant I stopped earlier than I expected and hence turned in earlier than I should. I'll certainly keep this in mind for any subsequent runs!
| 4:29 |
This is less about lap analysis and more about replay anomalies. I have no idea where the sparks are coming from, as the car isn't bottoming out or hitting anything. I can only presume its some sort of debris from the grass or other cars, or that its just Custom Shaders Patch being weird. It is kinda cool from the external camera though, but maybe a little too much on the onboard, and it doesn't make sense as to where they're coming from. Just something I'd thought I'd explain for those curious.
| 4:50 |
Probably my favourite part of the entire run. Confident straight line braking angled towards the corner, then with a slight slide (possible handbrake) to balance the car with no countersteer. Just a fantastic feeling, and probably feeling even cooler with a massive kick from the rear on exit (could be potentially slower but at least I held it lol).
| 5:05 |
I notice a lot of people take different lines here. Some will want to run the long left hander out to the right side and keep it tight for the right. Others will take the line I did with hugging the inside guardrail and getting the right hander as straight as possible. I feel like I take both actually, depending on how well I can get the car turned into the left and how the car would react on a tight line into the right. This time round I felt like taking the tight line, but I think I'll experiment with both lines for future runs.
Thats just my 2 cents on some key moments I chose. Feel free to ask me about any other parts that intrigue you!
Incredible run! I really wonder if we'll ever make to under the 5 minute mark some day without using tyre blankets.
Also as an aside, the Mt Akina ported from IDAS has much deeper gutters and is a lot more true to the real world roads than the current rFactor port used on servers like Touge Union (especially the track surface). On the IDAS port the gutters can actually be used to gain time, as they were IRL in the 80s and 90s.
yea thanks for that im not sure we can do under 5 without blankets but who knows lol. IDAS Akina is quite heavy on systems compared to Akina 2017, and while stuff like the gutters and elevation are actually better than this Akina, there's also a lot of other liberties the track takes to suit it for Arcade Stage. Honestly I've never really driven it that much as its not really used online or for time attack as much, I think especially because of the system intensity, and while it isnt the worst on my system it doesn't run as smoothly like this version. Project Kaido's Haruna will be really interesting to see when that's done, as it should combine everything great that each version has into one definitive scratch made track, but maybe at a paid cost. It will probably limit the playerbase of the map if so but the cost will likely be worth it like PK Irohazaka
Ok apparently the formatting got fucked with line breakers that looked fine on my PC but not on mobile, so I just fixed it. Should be more clear to read now lol
@4:21 onto the last straight I notice all of the faster drivers tend to stay as straight as possible in the left lane versus trying to perform the slight apex which is available in the middle of where the wall is. I had 2 instances where a driver of equal skill level was able to slightly pull ahead by apexing slightly and not just going straight only in the left lane, my question is does the left lane method offer a higher top speed for the straight and is that why the top guys are using this line versus the slight apex?
Tbh (I’m assuming your talking about 4:40 btw) it’s probably out of habit of trying to stay as left as possible for the outside line when really yes I probably could move over to the right to cut the line and distance just a tiny bit. Mentally it can feel a little wrong to be moving on a straight tho (even if there’s a slight right kink) so that’s probably why. Plus I only gain like 0.01-02 on my delta so
0:42
"I may be a bad driver, but I'm not a *bad* driver"
Good one
Great run man, nice seeing you achieve this after all these years in AC
Yea thx m8 your guys’ early Touge videos really did inspire me to take up AC and hone my skills on the mountain. Even though Touge is now just a small fragment of my whole sim racing skillset it’s still something I find really fun to do and something that gives me a marker for progress every time I pick up a new racing league with new cars and tracks to see whether I’ve improved as a driver. I do wish I could showcase my broader sim racing activities but during league races recording isn’t really too viable lol, hence why most of this channel is mainly edited content. Hope I can upgrade the PC tho and make this a possibility for more regular content.
words can't describe how happy i am for you, witnessing you making history man,good shit :O
I feel like all my knowledge on driving techniques to be faster have been wrong all this time. Now I see that going faster on mid corner is slower, you opened my eyes
yea there is a general rule of 'slow-in, fast-out' to achieve the best entry line and the best corner exit, but it also depends on car to car. this rx7 gains or loses the most time on the exits, as you can either accelerate too early and spin up the rears, or too late and not get the boost up. hence why the mid-corner speed might be slower than if it was an NA car. meanwhile, the Mx5 ND is a car that has skinny rear tyres that can't handle too much power on exit, so you want to carry a decent amount of entry and mid corner speed so that you don't have to accelerate as much. comparing yours and this run is a good place to start on identifying what works for this car and what doesnt, but also remember to not stress over the final times or the execution too much. every time i tried to grind to beat someone elses time, i would just burn myself out and get into a cycle of crashing and pitting to get the 'perfect' run, when really few of the world record runs are truely 'perfect'. 5:06 was the absolute limit 2 years ago set by Teekhy, but it turns out that those nights i would be shitting myself over trying to get the faultless run would end up with me getting this time with a fair few mistakes but overall great execution, purely because i didn't kick myself everytime i made mistakes, but just pressed on to keep getting improvements. idk thats just my 2 cents on how i think but best of luck to you on getting quicker
@@JaydenHW well it was said that a geometric apex can be faster when the corner exits to a short straight or another corner, that's probably why Akina TA's take such a tight line on the hairpins
Yea very true, but where it gets interesting is trying to shorten the entry line as much as possible while retaining the exit speed, because there’s a lot you can do to manipulate the balance of the car so that you can angle yourself better for the exit, such as taps of the handbrake or just very good trailbraking. So yes some hairpins need a fast exit line, but with the proper technique you don’t have to run out as wide to get the right angle for the exit. It also applies to the more technical sections to be able to brake later or turn in sharper to save time as well. Idk that’s really just an expansion of your point of how it applies to this run. You’ll see how I can manipulate the car’s balance a fair bit to get the best line I can
@@JaydenHW I rewatch baba's Akina runs as much as I practice and even his lines are just as tight as yours, but the difference is that he takes alot of sideways action without the use of handbrake while you use every stick you can jack on your side (lol). Is this just driver preference or the car itself?
Certainly driving style. Whenever I drive the AE86 Tuned I’m always trying to minimise as much wasteful sliding as possible, whereas Baba can carry the momentum through with a slide. Basically grip vs drift. I’ve got my PB down to 5:10.45, which if I can iron out some mistakes I think I can match his record of 5.09.9. It’s a very different way of driving, where I basically have better exits and mid corner speed while he has better rotation for turn in.
Me when i realize I'm 30 seconds slower in the same car😭
Entry on understeer into handbrake for a good exit= stonks
Jose javier hausdorf pmuch although the understeer isn’t necessarily intended lol. See the usual way to get that exit line is to go for a wide entry and turn in late, but there’s a couple problems for doing that here and other Touges unlike closed circuit.
1. hairpins are generally tighter on Touges than on circuits.
2. Straights aren’t as long or as straight (think skating rink right hander with wall) as circuits
As such, taking a wide entry line means travelling a longer distance than a short entry line, thus meaning you lose time. On the contrary, if you take a tight entry, you cut the distance of the corner down saving time, but you also position the car at a worse angle to exit, meaning you have to turn more instead of accelerating as straight. So really, what can be abused in these street cars is the handbrake, but not to initiate slides and stuff, but to instead be able to rotate the car to any appropriate angle. This means that a shallow entry line can be taken like shown here, while also being able to rotate the car to be at a better angle for the exit. It also allows you to take more speed into the corner while on a tighter line, as you can always tap the handbrake to rotate the car towards the exit, albeit being the risk you handbrake too much and slide the car, losing time.
The other thing about this car is the turbo lag. Not only does it take a lot of time for the boost to rise, but it also needs high enough RPM to produce sufficient boost. A shallow entry line means if you have to turn a lot as you accelerate on the exit, either A you can’t accelerate as early so boost can’t be built up and you lose power, or B you accelerate too early and build up boost too quickly and spin the rear tyres up. So by using the handbrake to correct the yaw of the car, we can position it to be much more compliant on exit, meaning earlier throttle and faster exit.
That should be the jist of the cornering technique for this car, but if there’s anything you think I missed please feel free to comment.
@@JaydenHW Man I've been driving this car for years now and this describes it perfectly
@@JaydenHW You forgot the part about the RX-7 perpetually trying to kill you whilst you are racing around the track.
nice way to come back, hope you continue uploading
Awesome run dude! You're super fast at Akina! I can't even get close haha
Thanks man this will be a great help to me for reference
So Ive noticed when driving the same car that my times have been about 25 seconds slower. I was jus lookin for some tips that might improve my driving a bit. I feel like im braking a bit too early and that may be the cause of it because those seconds will definitely add up in each corner. Im not positive on that tho because Ive tried braking later and sometimes i wont slow down enough and jus end up eatin the guardrail or scraping it with my rear end. I figure it takes practice though.
Yea the brake timing has to be quire precise, but also the brake control. The only reason I can brake so late is because I can also get the car turned in with trailbraking. Basically, whenever you brake hard you don’t turn as well, so as you start to turn you have to start letting off the brake slowly. It might sound counterintuitive as usually later braking = faster, so therefore you try and brake as late as possible. But in reality late braking is only good when you can have a fast corner entry without understeering wide. That’s something I’ve practiced for a while, so I suggest you watch videos on how to trailbrake and stuff. Late braking is only a small part of how you go fast; you consider how you take the whole corner without sacrificing too much speed in any part like corner entry, apex and exit
@@JaydenHW So trailbreaking is similar to braking without abs? Im sure usin the engine brake by downshifting quicker helps a bit and also loosins the car up more while the wheel is turned, correct me if Im wrong about that though.
So there’s a distinction between trailbraking and threshold braking. Threshold braking is mainly for braking without ABS, where you don’t hit the brakes fully and instead modulate it based on how much grip the tyres have. Trailbraking is more about your technique of easing off the brake pedal gradually to get the most front grip, as too little brake and you don’t put enough load on the front tyres and you don’t turn in as well, while too much brake and you overload the tyre and understeer (even without locking the front tyres). Basically trailbraking can be used in all cars while threshold braking is more for cars without ABS (some cars hate triggering ABS though which then you might threshold brake instead of full brake but that’s another matter). As for your downshifting, generally yes you want to try and make your downshifts smooth and as early as possible with a heel toe throttle blip, however I can’t recommend overreving the engine as that can make cars too unstable and destroy the engine if damage is on. Some fast guys like Blazo overrev on downshifts but I personally don’t like it just so I get consistent braking
@@JaydenHW Alright sweet that actually cleared it up a lot. I appreciate the help man, I'll definitely get started on practicing all that stuff.
Man is pushing
I can only get to 5:09.. maybe i should try out again.
I cared too much for driving gentle and get a full grip but i guess sliding a bit in the cornor is more faster.
Amazing vid by the way keep up the good run!
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when i run Akina i always have used a 1981 FB RX-7. which is surprising good for downhill
It's so cool!
Got myself 5:04:400 on Keyboard/Mouse, no TB and all that stuff. Finally I managed to beat the run I dreamed to beat.
Oh wow nice to see ppl still attack the old akina. iirc this run was actually slightly improved to a 5:04 flat on Touge Life 1, but before I could improve it TL1 changed to EK Akina and I also thought I lost the hard drive of the original replay. But I actually recently re-acquired the data off the old drive and should have that replay. Ofc I don't have the outright no TB RX7 record on Akina 2017 since Dingo got the 5:03 before I could, but the 5:04 flat is still the TL1 Akina 2017 record. Maybe I'll upload the replay as either a link or as a YT video.
could I get some tips on how to find so much grip. I can only manage a 5:23 but I noticed you are able to corner at such higher speeds than I even thought remotely possible. Are you also using a custom setup to help reduce the tendancy to oversteer?
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Hell yah I started playing the game yesterday and today I got 5:28 with the 86 I believe that’s good
I'm jealous of this speed lmao... My PB is only a 5:14 but with tyre blankets :<
Any tips that could help me go faster on no tyre blankets as well?? I suggest making an in-depth video about going fast if you can, it would be really appreciated! Keep up the good work man!
You're already within the 10 secs zone, so I suggest be dedicated while also driving other cars and tracks to avoid getting bored while grinding
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Is that the sprint r? Also could you list ur setup?
Can you make a tutorial of how to get good times
ill consider it thanks. getting good times is a very broad concept that differs from car to car and track to track, so do you want a tutorial on how to drive Akina fast (driving lines, braking points, etc.)? how to learn new tracks efficiently to achieve good times? or how to learn the characteristics of a car to be quicker? happy to help just let me know.
@@JaydenHW how to drive akina fast please, now after watching your run I feel that my 5.15 pb is slow af
@@razorjk5974 heya would be happy to help. does my pinned comment make sense as to what i did and why? also i wouldn't mind seeing a replay, as i can outline very general things but having a replay would be great for a comparison of what you can do to get time gains
@@JaydenHW ye I guess I can understand how you shorted time with that explanation, also I'm impressed that despite the fact that this is an incredible record is possible to shorten even more like 2 sec or more I would say, I always drive the ae86 tuned when I'm in tl1 so if u can give me any advice for that car would be great, I can upload a replay too. I can try with the fd if is needed.
@@JaydenHW Btw if this info serves u to help me, my style of driving is to drift (with the foot brake) on almost every corner but with the less countersteer possible (sometimes zero countersteer) and without drifting on the exit (only pointing the car straight to the exit) also I focus on mid corner speed or on exit speed depending of the corner, I focus (maybe too much) in use the whole road without use the grass. My setup is stock except the suspension that is max out soft and high, 26psi front 25 rear, brake bias 70% front and diff throttle 50 and braking 25. My pb is 5.15 (when I was slower I always used the grip, the only reason I drift on 4 wheels now is because I hate to understeer only, I hate countersteer and because I feel that I can exit faster in some corners with that)
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If the record with an 86 is 5:09 then if you are an alien you can go under 5 minutes in an fd
WR in AE86 is 5:06.
That is on tyre blankets. The WR without tyre blankets is still 5:09
@@JaydenHW Does Tire Blankets count strongly in serving WR? (I'm not very good (and experienced) at assetto,)
@@incogni7376 they're like different speedrun categories, blankets warms up the tires straight outta pits while no blankets starts out cold IIRC
i just got an 4:54 run
setup?
like car setup not wheel or anything like that
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maybe
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Stock or tuned FD?
Spirit R FD with setup
What wheel you using?
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