For the love of milkshakes, do NOT use the Chemical Plant PM. EDIT: As some have pointed out, Modern Ports can be pretty good. I don't think they're good when you're running a shortage, but if you're trying to increase demand, they're fantastic.
I mean the final production method consumes a decent amount of fertilizer. But it also sends grain prices to the bottom, so you probably either won't build that many farms or not use that final pm on farms. (Although that can be a decent SoL improvement for peasants) Or alternatively, spam out food industries with inferior production methods so they mostly use grain I guess. (Granted, you'll probably only set some of them to the distillation methods anyway, otherwise the input sugar value is higher than the output Liquor value) Because lategame food industries with max pms have the issue of not actually using that much grain (50) compared to fish (60) and sugar (55).
@@TGBledsoe maybe - I kinda like the weird tension that is created by the ferts being depressed relative to explosives. Their price, and also sulfur, being depressed is kinda what makes Synthetic Plants viable.
@@alexandererhard2516 spamming bad food industries is interesting if the math supports. I'm sure it's by design, but yeah, grain prices get super depressed and there is no (especially efficient) way to increase demand for them.
@@generalistgaming Other than that, I guess Synthetic Dye can act as a fertilizer sink, if you have a decent amount of Sulfur. But yes, max pm Food industries are rather inefficient at inducing grain demand (the fish ones even reduce grain demand), you may need to go only with one of the main pms, no canning or distilleries.
I remember the insane lead shortage I had late game as China. Using oil for houseware plastics was the most painful decision I made of that game. Lead, glass and oil were all painful to keep up with. And yes, I did prioritize plastic a LOT.
Yeah, the dynamic of this shortage is a big part of why I thought including plastics in the video was so important, despite it not being as "efficient". I forgot to mention that Modern Ports are really good for creating initial demand though
Suggestion for the next video, When should I build universities??? Before patch 1.2, it was easy to get the full tech tree, but now, I never know whether I'm spending a lot of money on universities or not. Sometimes I get all levels quickly, most of the time I never reach the last tier of technologies. What is the ideal ratio university by population?
I have trouble too, but what I do is hover over the innovation and check how far I am from my innovation cap. If I'm still far away, I'll build more universities
Unis are a little tough - I don't have a hard and fast rule, but a soft and slow one is I usually try to crank up construction to somewhere around 200-500 before building any unis (or just enough to do journals) and then I slap down a level 51 uni (or 31 if I don't have shift work yet). I don't think you have a pop ratio, since qualifications are rarely a problem. I think if there is a ratio, it's relative to construction (nonmilitary gov expense). Construction directly grows gdp, and tech (by unlocking new PMs) grows it "indirectly," I suppose. If you don't have a lot of buildings yet, new PMs wouldn't be as valuable as new buildings, but once you have a lot, then new PMs are valuable.
Not mentioning the ports was a bit of an oversight - ports are amazing for driving up demand for oil early on, and then you just swap them back later as you start to run a shortage. I think when you're in shortage mode that the production PMs are better tho
I'll put together some notes and think about it. I think electricity is notably different though, since usually you EVENTUALLY want to get on all the PMs
I'd be interested to get a video on a topic that dovetails with Oil: late game military PMs. Is it worth the oil to make airplanes, for instance? And in a less quantitative sense, do you personally think it's worth it to micro military PMs based on resource availability and offensive/defensive specialization?
The short answer is yes, the military PMs are priority number one, and you want them internally in your market that way you don't lose access. It depends what you mean by worth? I don't do it because, by the time I get there, I'm powerful enough anyway, and I want to keep the pace of the game up for viewability reasons. In theory though, yeah, I think you should be splitting specialization and having like infiltrators for landing and one group on machine guns for defense and such. I just do all infiltrators. It's not the best, but I just want to push quickly after landing.
I responded to a similar comment just now: "Not mentioning the ports was a bit of an oversight - ports are amazing for driving up demand for oil early on, and then you just swap them back later as you start to run a shortage. I think when you're in shortage mode that the production PMs are better tho"
Hello! Can you make a video on how to deal with high level of unemployment late game? My russia campain is in 1917 with to 60-70 milion unemployemnt on 800milion population, i have already filled my subsistence farm. Now I dont have deficit (in my past runs i nearly went broke) but i fear it's will get crazy as soon i change one economic sistem or i stop conquering depopulated country.
I'll take a look at this as a topic, but I don't experience this too terribly much, except with China. The solution is a generally more construction (also, don't turn on labor saving PMs if you have a lot of peasants/unemployment).
I was so close to editing the "I drink your milkshake" scene, even though I'm no good with edits and would probably have to take 3 hrs to figure it out
@@generalistgaming It would have been good tho, memes like that work well today. Spudgun used them in his vic 2 content, others too in their map games. Kids love memes :D
For the love of milkshakes, do NOT use the Chemical Plant PM.
EDIT: As some have pointed out, Modern Ports can be pretty good. I don't think they're good when you're running a shortage, but if you're trying to increase demand, they're fantastic.
They really need to increase the fertilizer consumption by ag pms.
I mean the final production method consumes a decent amount of fertilizer.
But it also sends grain prices to the bottom, so you probably either won't build that many farms or not use that final pm on farms.
(Although that can be a decent SoL improvement for peasants)
Or alternatively, spam out food industries with inferior production methods so they mostly use grain I guess.
(Granted, you'll probably only set some of them to the distillation methods anyway, otherwise the input sugar value is higher than the output Liquor value)
Because lategame food industries with max pms have the issue of not actually using that much grain (50) compared to fish (60) and sugar (55).
@@TGBledsoe maybe - I kinda like the weird tension that is created by the ferts being depressed relative to explosives. Their price, and also sulfur, being depressed is kinda what makes Synthetic Plants viable.
@@alexandererhard2516 spamming bad food industries is interesting if the math supports.
I'm sure it's by design, but yeah, grain prices get super depressed and there is no (especially efficient) way to increase demand for them.
@@generalistgaming Other than that, I guess Synthetic Dye can act as a fertilizer sink, if you have a decent amount of Sulfur.
But yes, max pm Food industries are rather inefficient at inducing grain demand (the fish ones even reduce grain demand), you may need to go only with one of the main pms, no canning or distilleries.
Finally somebody is explaining this game. This game is so intense and the in-game tutorials are not enough
I'm on a quest to have every achievement but the tutorial one lol
I've noticed that oil really isn't enough for my ambitions haha
This video is right what I need.
You gotta drink the milkshaeks
I remember the insane lead shortage I had late game as China. Using oil for houseware plastics was the most painful decision I made of that game. Lead, glass and oil were all painful to keep up with. And yes, I did prioritize plastic a LOT.
Yeah, the dynamic of this shortage is a big part of why I thought including plastics in the video was so important, despite it not being as "efficient". I forgot to mention that Modern Ports are really good for creating initial demand though
The good old times when the spreadsheet wasn’t age restricted
Darker times
Suggestion for the next video, When should I build universities???
Before patch 1.2, it was easy to get the full tech tree, but now, I never know whether I'm spending a lot of money on universities or not. Sometimes I get all levels quickly, most of the time I never reach the last tier of technologies. What is the ideal ratio university by population?
I have trouble too, but what I do is hover over the innovation and check how far I am from my innovation cap. If I'm still far away, I'll build more universities
Unis are a little tough - I don't have a hard and fast rule, but a soft and slow one is I usually try to crank up construction to somewhere around 200-500 before building any unis (or just enough to do journals) and then I slap down a level 51 uni (or 31 if I don't have shift work yet).
I don't think you have a pop ratio, since qualifications are rarely a problem. I think if there is a ratio, it's relative to construction (nonmilitary gov expense). Construction directly grows gdp, and tech (by unlocking new PMs) grows it "indirectly," I suppose. If you don't have a lot of buildings yet, new PMs wouldn't be as valuable as new buildings, but once you have a lot, then new PMs are valuable.
@@generalistgaming Thats a great way to do it, ill try!!!
I use all my oil for industrial ports so I can max my free trade convoys and take all the stuff I need
Not mentioning the ports was a bit of an oversight - ports are amazing for driving up demand for oil early on, and then you just swap them back later as you start to run a shortage. I think when you're in shortage mode that the production PMs are better tho
can you do the same video but with electricity?
I'll put together some notes and think about it. I think electricity is notably different though, since usually you EVENTUALLY want to get on all the PMs
Exactly the video I wanted
Glad you liked it!
Legendary content. Big thank you General
Thanks for watching and juicing my algo!
I love drinking my oil through microplastics yay!
The best!
Solid content as always
Glad you enjoyed it!
Hey, can i somehow increase the rate of finding oil? Like i own states in which oil can spawn, but it does only so in quantities of 2-3 Oilrigs.
I'd be interested to get a video on a topic that dovetails with Oil: late game military PMs. Is it worth the oil to make airplanes, for instance? And in a less quantitative sense, do you personally think it's worth it to micro military PMs based on resource availability and offensive/defensive specialization?
The short answer is yes, the military PMs are priority number one, and you want them internally in your market that way you don't lose access.
It depends what you mean by worth? I don't do it because, by the time I get there, I'm powerful enough anyway, and I want to keep the pace of the game up for viewability reasons. In theory though, yeah, I think you should be splitting specialization and having like infiltrators for landing and one group on machine guns for defense and such. I just do all infiltrators. It's not the best, but I just want to push quickly after landing.
Didn't even mention modern ports!
I responded to a similar comment just now: "Not mentioning the ports was a bit of an oversight - ports are amazing for driving up demand for oil early on, and then you just swap them back later as you start to run a shortage. I think when you're in shortage mode that the production PMs are better tho"
Hello! Can you make a video on how to deal with high level of unemployment late game? My russia campain is in 1917 with to 60-70 milion unemployemnt on 800milion population, i have already filled my subsistence farm. Now I dont have deficit (in my past runs i nearly went broke) but i fear it's will get crazy as soon i change one economic sistem or i stop conquering depopulated country.
I'll take a look at this as a topic, but I don't experience this too terribly much, except with China. The solution is a generally more construction (also, don't turn on labor saving PMs if you have a lot of peasants/unemployment).
Love the thumbnail :D
I was so close to editing the "I drink your milkshake" scene, even though I'm no good with edits and would probably have to take 3 hrs to figure it out
@@generalistgaming It would have been good tho, memes like that work well today. Spudgun used them in his vic 2 content, others too in their map games. Kids love memes :D
Do you usually play till 1950?
No, this is a run where we nation swapped to a small one state Chinese country after China imploded 30 yrs into the game