@@umokwhy2830 Just so we don't talk about different things: If you need it to be full-on Corpsegrinder style to be "really growling", I don't know if there was anyone. This was about clean singing, though, and I'd definitely say that for example Death's Leprosy or Mayhem's Deathcrush goes far, far beyond that.
@@umokwhy2830 Every early Death Metal band and a lot of the more extreme late 80s Thrash stuff. Death, Obituary, Morbid Angel, Deicide being the most well known DM examples. Possessed, Kreator, Pesilence, Demolition Hammer for some of the Thrashier stuff. There are A LOT more bands from both categories. Technically, a lot of what the Thrash bands were doing was not growling, but it was most certainly "harsh vocals". Just like Black Metal and modern Deathcore vocalists usually aren't technically growling either.
Literally. The fact that they can't see past growling vocals makes it obvious that they know nothing about actual metal. A band that has growling or screaming vocals also isnt for sure metal, eg hardcore punk subgenres which are not metal but pioneered screaming vocals.
I love that so much more than just a song with only one or the other. I like a vocalist who can scream the flesh off my skull and then sing me to sleep. It's a beautiful dichotomy
@@ItsB3enLikeThis because they aren't a metal band? They're not really considering by anyone, or even themselves to be one. They're a hard-core punk band
It’s mostly used between people that primarily listen to death metal and the like. When you’re talking about vocalists who all sing in the key of ‘orc blender’, the ones that sing normally stand out.
@@ursadabear2810 I like that 'the key of orc blender,' to describe some of the vocals. I generally like clean vox as it's easier to understand what they're singing about the first time you listen to it, but, I still like bands like Amon Amarth.
Thats because there was an actual reason for it. But now that there is no need for "clean singing" is not needed to sell records or get signed, it comes off as pretentious and soft. Which it is.
@@raidermaxx2324or maybe people scream because because it’s a way to make up for the fact they can’t actually make a good sounding song and can’t sing?
Saying Black Sabbath isn't metal is the same as saying the Beatles, Michael Jackson and Queen and a few others weren't the most influencial bands of all time
Exactly! There are about 10,000 genres of “metal”now. Being in my 40’s, and having listened to metal since the 80’s, I don’t even know what is supposed to be “metal” anymore. Back in the day (insert old man knee slap) it was easy. Now, Taylor Swift could drop a neo-chromatic-uptuned-pop-sludge-bent-toned metal album and I wouldn’t know.
But like 95% of them sound almost exactly the same lmao especially modern metal, which I do listen to, but God Jesus christ I can't count how many times I went on Spotify to randomly look for bands, listened to like 10 random songs all sounding almost exactly the same (especially since modern guitarists seem to use the same guitars, the same pickups, same amps and stacks in general, same settings for everything, same pedals, same mix etc etc etc) to a point where if you told me it was the same band with constantly changing vocalist I would've believe you easily, only to find out it's not just 10 different bands, but also 10 different "metal subgenres" like... rrriiight Honestly at this point, as an oldhead who grew to love different genres of music from metal, punk, rock through country and bluegrass to hip hop new and old, electronic music of all types from ambient through old-school dubstep or drum and bass and goddamn trance and symphonic techno, I have to admit to myself that after being hardcore into "guitar overdrive music" for most of my life.... metal is probably THE LEAST DIVERSE genre of music I ever listened to, especially since 2010s.
People get confused when I say that bands like AC/DC are part of the Hard Rock genre which is a sub genre of heavy metal it has that heavy metal sound with the blues rift and the rock lyrics.
@@GregbaltzerAs if black metal and grunge metal didn't go through that same trendy phase a few years ago. It's such a non-argument. You don't like it, cool, whatever. But stop being judgemental about it. It's getting ridiculous. All metal genres have bands that go through trendy phases. Even Linkin Park and Slipknot have gone through this. At some point, you have to realise how absurd this argument actually is.
Yeah, people kinda lost the real meaning of being a poser. Poser is someone who after listening to master of puppets once, because of stranger things declares himself a metalhead, starts making shitty "metal cintent" on tik tok and becomes mad if someone advices them to try other bands
In the documentary 'Until The Light Takes Us,' Fenriz of Dark Throne talks about how sure he listens to dance music, but doesn't play it because he's a drummer in Dark Throne, and not an EDM dj. (I think DJ is the term.)
I hate that people say modern metal with cleans is just “pop metal”. But they won’t admit that classic heavy metal would also therefor be pop metal. Like what????? Make it make sense
Pop is just keep it simple stupid the genre, cut away all that doesn't "serve" the song and its lyrics. It usually has other baggage attached, but that's the basis of the genre.
I kinda see where they're coming from, as metal is much more structured now, and with the additions of autotune and all of the vocal processing, a lot of clean metal songs lose that bit of edge to them and make them seem more pop-esque, but still, most of them are metal, as long as you're not going by what spotify calls metal.
I like the metal where I understand the lyrics and can not just enjoy the music (melody and all) but also think about the message in the text and how it works with the melody.
Idk about Meshugga specifically and some vicalists are impossible to understand but I've definitely gotten better at understanding screamed/growled vocals so it's also partly a training/skill issue
@@yureikertia6940 meshuggah imo is an outlier they have harsh vocals but once your brain learns to separate the vocals from the instrumentals they do become legible
No thats little teenagers thinking their harder then the rest and more scary if they growl and grunt im not even impressed if i cant even f-king understand what they are singing about
@@user-lq6vm8yt4h no, thats a lot of adults 😅.... im 40.. i know too many guys like that. I like my extreme sub genres but dont u dare disrespect the pioneers. And, newer bands blending sub genres let them be
Dio, the god of metal, is in real trouble then. Its nothing but clean singing. XD It actually why I enjoy Dio so much is the clear vocals and story telling.
I’m pretty sure in order to do growl singing/yelling/screaming you need to be proficient in clean singing to understand breath control, projection, etc
I don't know why these guys came up in my shorts feed since I really only really listen to the occasional metal video game cover but I'm not complaining. These guys are great!
look at their first 3 album which had little to no cleans, it’s only from colony onwards cleans began to be used… which is fine because it added a new dynamic to their sound
Over half the metal I've listened to and loved for over 25 years, has been in fact clean singing or clean singing with guttural mixed. Suck it gatekeepers! \m/
One of the biggest reasons I listen to things like post hardcore and metalcore is the juxtaposition between clean and heavy vocals. Heavy vocals after clean hits even harder.
Couldn't agree more! But oh no they don't like it when you call them gatekeepers 😂😂😂. I've had experience with that. Enjoy what you like but don't let someone tell you something isn't "real metal" that's the most childish thing I hear people say.
This is something that is observable in any genre and even almost any subgenre of music. The reason behind it is, you get the people like us, the initiated, who not only listen to the music and the bands, but study them, and play the music ourselves. We understand in theory, feel, and historical value, the pieces we are looking at. we see the compositional value, the aristic value, and understand the nuance. Then theres the common folk, most of whom never got passed hot cross buns on the keyboard and or recorder. Alot of people think they like metal music, when they only like a particular niche subgenre. glam metal people typically arent into black metal. Grunge metal is typically seen as emo music by the uninitiated because of the typically dark lyrics. Metal has so many genres. Glam, classical, heavy, death, black, underground, grunge, metalcore and it just keeps going. same thing happens in jazz. people say they like jazz. they mean they like smooth major and minor pentatonic jazz for the most part. if you made them try and chart or understand real jaz standards with dorian progressions or something like the emily standard, they would be lost as fuck and say "this isnt jazz" Also last time i checked, emo kids dont listen to anything as up tempo and agressive as any form of metal music. Dont they listen to shit like that one track"waste" from brock hampton. or like "Fall For You" by second hand serenade lol? Cant say i remember the last time i saw an emo kid jaming out to alice in chains and pumping iron while smoking Marlboro reds hahahaha.
“Clean singing isn’t real metal” Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, AC/DC, Slipknot, Deftones, SOAD, Nirvana, Soundgarden, Iron Maiden, Metallica, Def Leppard, Foo Fighters, RHCP, Aerosmith, Linkin Park, Pearl Jam, RATM, Korn, Megadeth, Avenged Sevenfold, Papa Roach, Rammstein, and Guns N. Roses:
I remember being told by a gate keeper I wasnt an actual metal fan because my favourite bands are Iron Maiden, Metallica, and Judas Priest, and I couldn't believe it 😅
Similar situation to you, diehard metalhead, got told I don't know anything about anything because... I called Iron Maiden "heavy metal". Yeah. I was just stumped, but I think if there was a 40 year old metalhead in the room he would get knocked out 😅
Wow it's usually the other way around I for instance was called quite a few names for being what's now known as hard classic rock mainly trying to hang out with the metalheads until I revealed my extended knowledge of iron maiden and Judas priest and the new wave of British heavy metal. if you haven't heard them before I'd recommend a band named wolf and another one named rage.
I agree with gatekeeping, but the gatekeeper needs to know what the genre actually is. Like, I can’t respect numetal as metal. Why? Limp bizkit is classified as numetal.
@@myrhev actually thanks to Faith no More there's a bit of a rabbit hole here. The very beginnings of which are anthrax and public enemy going bye-bye taking out anthrax carving a giant hole in popular thrash best case scenario. and actually buy the one band defines the genre that you just laid down, there goes Aerosmith because of Aerosmith and run DMC and the entire Roots get dug up after that one. Have a nice day.
I mean if james hetfield is 80 years old and still playin in his band with his 3 other 80 year old band mates, is it still really metal? I dont fucking think so.
I love all metal, but i will say, it takes more talent to be able to bounce back and forth from screams to cleans and cleans to screams EFFICIENTLY than just screams lol! And a lot of our favorite vocalists are throwing cleans into the mix Tom Barber (darko is throwing some cleans around) and same with Kyle Anderson from brand of sacrifice (between death and dreams had some cleans, the "album" and the song lol same with blinded!) But those are just 2 examples of super heavy ass bands bringing in clean vocals!
Hahaha,I'm old but I liked metal when I was a kid....cleans?? Hahaha,never heard of that ,now I understand that means the opposite of screaming. I think it's the music that says what genre it is at least that was the case when I was a kid
@@bojanmilenkovic2043 lol I get it, I'm 37 now, but back between 2006-2012 I played guitar for a few bands in central Florida and we always used the terms "cleans" and "screams" granted it does sound better than "cleans and harsh vocals" hahah but yeah, maybe it's just a florida music scene term, i moved to Montana a few years ago and people look at me funny when i call singing "clean vocals" which could be confused with "clean screams" which is when someone uses proper vocal techniques to acquire perfect (or near perfect) screams (like Will Ramos, Kyle Anderson, Tom Barber, hell even Chris motionless has really sick screams) lol, but from one "older" metal head to another, keep on rocking in the free world! lmfao
@@jurekgadzinowski2895 lol you know, this is my opinion. Taylor Swift sucks, Bieber sucks, ac/dc sucks, a7x sucks, hip hop sucks, rap sucks, country fucking sucks, nirvana sucks, etc etc... ALL VERY/INCREDIBLY SUCCESSFUL. But I still think they suck lol
I loooove Spiritbox! I had no clue who they were And they opened for another band in San Francisco, I was obsessed ever since! Love a badass metal chick!
Isn’t I Prevail Nu-Metal/Metalcore tho? NOT saying those aren’t metal, but that band in specific will literally garner you nothing from metal elitists because they hate both of those genres haha
I always saw In Flames as my gateway drug. Fell in love with their clean songs(mainly Trigger because I listened to Soilwork first) back when I listened almost exclusively to hip hop, found out about their first albums and I was like Hey that's pretty good. Barely half a year later I was listening to black metal and hanging out with a compltely different crowd. Ahhhh highschool. Fun times.
Bro, man made god by in flames is one of the most metal songs of all time and its instrumental. Ive been listening to metal for a very long time and In Flames will always be one of my favs.
I love metal bands with clean vocals, I also love metal bands with no clean vocals. But In Flames not being metal is a new one for me, pretty damn funny honestly.
So, i dont know how old you are but let me just see if i can give you perspective from someone who would say that to you. Ive been a metalhead since the early Pantera\Metallica\Sepultura days, and sometime around 2005ish, a metal band came out with an album and a new sound that would change mainstream metal, forever and it was something that I personally was not a fan of. So the band is "Killswitch Engage" I'm sure you have heard of them, do you know what they did that im thinking of? I'm gonna stop here, to see if you want to "Engage" in this convo, and take a stab at what I'm thinking of.. So something they did with their sound\format of a typical "metal" song, that no band did before this, and almost every new metal band does now. If you dont respond in a day or so, then ill just finish my thought. :P
@@user-zv3iy4zo4p almost 40, started listening to metal in 95... I'm guessing you're either trying to say that you're a metal elitist who has perfect taste and only likes "trve metal?" Or that KSE somehow ruined metal by doing something that was semi innovative at the time and built on what bands like Poison The Well were doing. The biggest problem is that most kids nowadays aren't as creative (but to be fair to them metal is hard to innovate in) so they just follow trends. Many are probably scared to innovate in a genre that has so many gatekeepers/reviewers that trash everything new and then turn around and talk about how much they love it 10 years later, or the countless old heads who don't like anything that came out after their high school years because they try to live in the past since they hate their life and peaked in high school... so they crap on everything and everyone every chance they get because they're self loathing and miserable. Other than that I'm not sure what you're trying to convey with your comment, so go ahead and finish your "thought."
@@chiefbrownfart ok lol.. well they do this thing, where its like a chorus, but you know the song is going good, its hard, its metal, and then all of a sudden out of the blue, they will start singing like a bunch of poofters, for a few bars, and then back to hard again and normal, and then again singing like poofters. I fucking hate it. You gotta know what im talking about. No metal did this before these guys. ok here this is what im talking about.. this song rocks until he starts crying about it "being his last serenade" check it out. th-cam.com/video/OoQrwKJtv_c/w-d-xo.html This was the first band to do this. And now all the new metal bands do this. So my only choice is to be stuck in the past, and gatekeep. Because it would be one thing, it was just a separate and unique genre within metal itself, but instead every new band thought this was cool, and copied them. THankfully, there is still one band, and only one band that has been able to keep releasing new records intoi their 60's, and thats Rammstein. Everyone else is terrible, or i just go back and listen to how metal USED to be, like "Pantera" Vulgar Display of Power" , or Sepulture, "arise" . Thats it. Lol. THats my thought. It's finished now. Thasnk you for engaging with me. One last question: Are you Chief Brown and "farting" in the present tense? Or are you a leader of tribe, known for their "brown farts"? Asking for a friend. Rock on, Chief.
@@user-zv3iy4zo4p I hear you, I guess I should feel grateful that I enjoy the clean singing then. I'm definitely familiar with the early Killswitch material as I was pretty into their first 2-3 albums. Do you enjoy death metal that has no clean vocals, or bands that have some screams that sound like they have a tiny bit of pitch and melody to them like Cattle Decapitation? As far as the name goes I never really gave it much thought honestly, so I guess I'll go with the 2nd option... I like the way that sounds hahaha. 🤘
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@@alternativerockemo6783 he literally said he wasn't going to say it isn't real metal. he just said it's poser shit, as in, it's for geeks. like, the way black metal attracts dorky larpers who paint their face and take pictures in the woods, power metal attracts dweebs who play way too much dungeons and dragons and practice ""wicca"" (they smoke weed)
Metal has some of the most pompous, closed minded fans out there. I've heard people make the same "not metal" argument for so many great bands. Most of those kinds of guys think the only real metal bands are obscure death metal bands from the mid 90's.
Whelp, you heard it here first, folks, Black Sabbath, the literal _creators of metal,_ aren't a metal band, nor is Metallica, which _literally has Metal in the name!_
What people are saying this , teens . I grew up in the 80's . I went to concerts where the building's felt like it was shaking, all clean singing even Thrash at the time , not many bands at the time had harsh singing. Your going to need to put 10 thousand bands on the list lol
I love clean vocals because I actually like understanding wtf they are saying. But I do also like SOME growly singing. Idk depends on my mood. Really Ill listen to ANYTHING
I'd recommend sleep token and bad omens. Sleep token mixes a lot of different genre of metal into their music and its incredible. Bad omens has a couple of different singing styles in their music. Both of them just bring the feels
@@maxharvey165 Yeah that's basically Post-hardcore, one of the best genre Although Post-hardcore exists in rock and metal variants, depending on the instrumentals Sleep Token and Bad Omens are part of the Metal variant of Post-hardcore
@@gombka1144 Metalcore isn't emo by default. Although it can get very emotional and intensive sometimes, but it's till not quite the same as what most people would think of when speaking about emo music The emo culture is mostly located in the Rock genre anyway, not in metal However there is one specific metal genre where emo is indeed a big part of: The *Emocore* Which exists in both Rock and Metal variant. It can get very emotional and intensive. Some exmaples of emocore are: Famous Words Words A Bullet for pretty boy (not to be confused wit _Bullet for my valentine)_ 😅 Crown the empire (2012 & 2014 albums) Surroundings (2014 album) We Came As Romans (2009 album) And some others...
@@That1AfroedGuy For Opeth I recommend starting with the Blackwater Park album, blends harsh and soft vocals masterfully, and the song Bleak is a personal favourite.
I one time went to see the architects they were supporting a Scottish band called biffy clyro that concert got me into metal and I learned a new moral low ground on my guitar I went to see biffy because my whole immediate family like them
Because Metallica ruined their legacy by not knowing when to quit. Many bands saved their legacies like Faith No More, Sepultura, etc. because they know when shit just wasnt working. As far as Metallica is concerned, real metalheads know that "Justice for All" was their Magnum Opus, and one of the greatest metal albums to ever have been created, but anything after Justice for All, starting with the Black album was just pure garbage. Some people just dont know when to quit.
No, not if they say they dont enjoy any "new" metallica or anything after "Justice for All" which was not only their Magnum Opus, but one of the greatest metal albums ever produced.. But anything after falls off drastically and St. Anger was pure garbage. It made me fucking angered thats for sure. Some of these guys dont know when to quit, and they tarnish their own legacies with the old school fans(who are just as relevant as the new school fans)
@@user-zv3iy4zo4pyou do realize there is a giant amount of crossover, right? As in, a majority of old school fans are also new school fans and vice versa. I completely get it because yes their sound changed but most people don't hate them for it, despite what those who do may believe. Listen to Judas priest. Tell me if Rob's first and last albums with them his first time, Rocka Rolla and Painkiller, sound remotely like the same band. Sure, you can tell it's the same singer, but everything else is completely different. Even Rob sounds different. Artists evolve, and people change. I will never understand the inability to understand this. And yes, you are completely correct in that St. Anger sucks. No one was debating that though.
@@nox5555everything you like and consider real metal and whatever is a derivative of thrash metal, which Metallica pioneered. You don't have to like them, but your attitude towards them is what is soulless here. You are literally the person he is talking about in this video 😅😅😅
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Bro metal existed like 20 years before growl vocals
Exactly!!!
We’ll ignore the greatest metal singers of all time all sang operatically, Dio, Dickinson, Halford
@@roan9914I like M Shadows and Phil Amselmo because they’ve done both
Ngl that vocal style stopped me from listening to metal
Like why are you ruining that amazing instrument with ur fucking fart yell
more like 16 if you count Mr Bungle's Wrath of the Easter Bunny
No one hates metal more than metal fans
Eh some Christian groups maybe
It's true...
@@nightfall1249There’s Christian metals bands lol
@@jeremyalcoser5742 Yeah I know that but I also know Christians who hate metal regardless
@@nightfall1249and I know Atheists and Satanists who hate metal. Your point being?
Bro became a metal detector
Lol😂
LMFAOOO
Hahahahaha! 😂
ba dum tss
This is gold 😂😂
"Clean singing is not metal" would remove everybody who was doing metal in the 70s and 80s.
"Let me help you out of that chair.... Grandma"
Everybody in the 80s? That's a bit of a stretch.
@@perlundgren7797 honest question, but who was really growling in the 80s?
@@umokwhy2830 Just so we don't talk about different things: If you need it to be full-on Corpsegrinder style to be "really growling", I don't know if there was anyone. This was about clean singing, though, and I'd definitely say that for example Death's Leprosy or Mayhem's Deathcrush goes far, far beyond that.
@@umokwhy2830 Every early Death Metal band and a lot of the more extreme late 80s Thrash stuff.
Death, Obituary, Morbid Angel, Deicide being the most well known DM examples.
Possessed, Kreator, Pesilence, Demolition Hammer for some of the Thrashier stuff.
There are A LOT more bands from both categories.
Technically, a lot of what the Thrash bands were doing was not growling, but it was most certainly "harsh vocals". Just like Black Metal and modern Deathcore vocalists usually aren't technically growling either.
those who say clean singing isn't metal, is not a metalhead.
Literally. The stereotype is that metal is super growly.
Literally. The fact that they can't see past growling vocals makes it obvious that they know nothing about actual metal. A band that has growling or screaming vocals also isnt for sure metal, eg hardcore punk subgenres which are not metal but pioneered screaming vocals.
Yea like anthrax has clean singing and they are 100% metal
@@superberserkduck4687 One of the Big 4 of thrash, no less
@@totally100darthvader7 literally, you don't know what a fucking joke is...
I saw a post/comment on Reddit saying that “no metalhead should unironically listen to music with breakdowns in it” 💀💀💀 I’m done
💀 bruh wtf lmfaoooooooo
edit: replies have led me to realize i have no idea what a breakdown actually is
breakdowns are like 50% of metal
@@kdevlogs5550not even close to 50%
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath would like to know your location
literally fucking raining blood has a breakdown
It takes great skill to growl like a demon, then sing like an angel all within one song
I love that so much more than just a song with only one or the other. I like a vocalist who can scream the flesh off my skull and then sing me to sleep. It's a beautiful dichotomy
@@mendmywings7238 Then I think you'd like Palaye Royale? They're not metal, but they do have everything you just described
@@tarah._. thanks I'll check them out
@@mendmywings7238 Yeah you're welcome
Opeth, Reliqa and Motionless in White come to mind.
Bands that pair clean and harsh vocals go so fucking hard how can people hate that stuff
They're punk, not metal but Tim McIlrath of Rise Against is crazy good at that
ne obliviscaris and jinjer go hard as SHIT
@@JazzKazoo0930How does pairing clean and harsh vocals make it not metal?
@@ItsB3enLikeThis because they aren't a metal band? They're not really considering by anyone, or even themselves to be one. They're a hard-core punk band
@@JazzKazoo0930do you consider Slipknot a hardcore band?
I never even knew there was a phrase called “clean singing” 😂.
Yeah, I know I just learned about it a couple years ago and all it is is singing you can understand and that is clean to hear
That’s because you can’t understand the lyrics.
It’s mostly used between people that primarily listen to death metal and the like. When you’re talking about vocalists who all sing in the key of ‘orc blender’, the ones that sing normally stand out.
@@ursadabear2810 I like that 'the key of orc blender,' to describe some of the vocals.
I generally like clean vox as it's easier to understand what they're singing about the first time you listen to it, but, I still like bands like Amon Amarth.
Actually taught the term by this video, too, and tbh it makes things a lot simpler to explain with a coined term
Bands are metal until they:
• get popular
• don’t swear
• have women
• exist
•clean singing
Cough cough** Slipknot Volume 3... Rick rubin ruined Slipknot.. One band that STAYED metal was Pantara
@@Herestravy420pantera is shit
@Herestravy420 omg chill
@@Herestravy420 bruh 💀
It blows my mind, initially, that folks don't think metal should have cleans. IT LITERALLY STARTED OUT WITH CLEANS! WHAT?!
Exactly even one of the most Heavy genre black metal first introduced it had cleans
finally, someone said what we were all thinking
Thats because there was an actual reason for it. But now that there is no need for "clean singing" is not needed to sell records or get signed, it comes off as pretentious and soft. Which it is.
@@raidermaxx2324Only pretentious and soft one here is you sir.
@@raidermaxx2324or maybe people scream because because it’s a way to make up for the fact they can’t actually make a good sounding song and can’t sing?
black Sabbath: "Am I a joke to you?"
Saying Black Sabbath isn't metal is the same as saying the Beatles, Michael Jackson and Queen and a few others weren't the most influencial bands of all time
No, Black Sabbath was the first metal band that also influenced Doom Metal
One of the aspects I love about metal is its diversity. There isn't just one metal genre out there.
Exactly! There are about 10,000 genres of “metal”now. Being in my 40’s, and having listened to metal since the 80’s, I don’t even know what is supposed to be “metal” anymore. Back in the day (insert old man knee slap) it was easy. Now, Taylor Swift could drop a neo-chromatic-uptuned-pop-sludge-bent-toned metal album and I wouldn’t know.
But like 95% of them sound almost exactly the same lmao especially modern metal, which I do listen to, but God Jesus christ I can't count how many times I went on Spotify to randomly look for bands, listened to like 10 random songs all sounding almost exactly the same (especially since modern guitarists seem to use the same guitars, the same pickups, same amps and stacks in general, same settings for everything, same pedals, same mix etc etc etc) to a point where if you told me it was the same band with constantly changing vocalist I would've believe you easily, only to find out it's not just 10 different bands, but also 10 different "metal subgenres" like... rrriiight
Honestly at this point, as an oldhead who grew to love different genres of music from metal, punk, rock through country and bluegrass to hip hop new and old, electronic music of all types from ambient through old-school dubstep or drum and bass and goddamn trance and symphonic techno, I have to admit to myself that after being hardcore into "guitar overdrive music" for most of my life.... metal is probably THE LEAST DIVERSE genre of music I ever listened to, especially since 2010s.
Metal’s diversity is great. From Slayer screaming bloody murder to Alestorm throwing a fucking party to Freddie Mercury singing about ogres fighting.
People get confused when I say that bands like AC/DC are part of the Hard Rock genre which is a sub genre of heavy metal it has that heavy metal sound with the blues rift and the rock lyrics.
@@aw2584 poser
Clean singing mixed with growls is so powerful tho
Uhum... "Arch enemy" they are fanatstic if you dont know them look them up
It's become to trendy and formulaic. The whole thing has become overdone and boring
@@GregbaltzerAs if black metal and grunge metal didn't go through that same trendy phase a few years ago.
It's such a non-argument. You don't like it, cool, whatever. But stop being judgemental about it. It's getting ridiculous. All metal genres have bands that go through trendy phases. Even Linkin Park and Slipknot have gone through this. At some point, you have to realise how absurd this argument actually is.
@@GreyPunkWolf yeah! Vibes are vibes bruv, we all just some egg fr
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clean singing absolutely belongs in metal
"What is going on?!"
"FUCK YOU!"
killed me
Don’t forget the classic “Oh you also listen to stuff other than metal? You’re such a poser.”
Yeah, people kinda lost the real meaning of being a poser. Poser is someone who after listening to master of puppets once, because of stranger things declares himself a metalhead, starts making shitty "metal cintent" on tik tok and becomes mad if someone advices them to try other bands
never heard that before
In the documentary 'Until The Light Takes Us,' Fenriz of Dark Throne talks about how sure he listens to dance music, but doesn't play it because he's a drummer in Dark Throne, and not an EDM dj. (I think DJ is the term.)
@@gombka1144that couldn’t be further from what a poser is 😂 that’s just a specific type of person and situation that you dislike
YOURE NOT SUPPOSED TO LIKE OTHER STUFF WTF?!
I hate that people say modern metal with cleans is just “pop metal”. But they won’t admit that classic heavy metal would also therefor be pop metal. Like what????? Make it make sense
And also so what if something is pop style!! Doesn’t make it bad at all people choose the randomest hills to die on
Thank you Harry Du Bois very based
has more to do with the tendency for modern metalcore bands to use generic pop song structures
Pop is just keep it simple stupid the genre, cut away all that doesn't "serve" the song and its lyrics. It usually has other baggage attached, but that's the basis of the genre.
I kinda see where they're coming from, as metal is much more structured now, and with the additions of autotune and all of the vocal processing, a lot of clean metal songs lose that bit of edge to them and make them seem more pop-esque, but still, most of them are metal, as long as you're not going by what spotify calls metal.
Saw In Flames live in 2021. Was fuxking amazing. Was in Oberhausen at KnotFest.
Spiritbox is definitely heavy as shit. Bonus is that Courtney has an incredible singing voice as well.
Saw them live, hated every bit of it. I don't get the hype around this band. It's definitely not one for me...
her singing is 1 dimensional and boring but they're still metal
@@rdwilln Agreed, never said it was not metal. Just very bad imo.
Its shit pop metal, worst band of the modern era alongside sleeptoken
@kivinrepoio9288 😅 there are far worse bands out there. You must not be very cultured
I like the metal where I understand the lyrics and can not just enjoy the music (melody and all) but also think about the message in the text and how it works with the melody.
The real trajedy is when bands have really deep lyrics such as meshuggah but unless your watching a lyric video its impossible to tell
Idk about Meshugga specifically and some vicalists are impossible to understand but I've definitely gotten better at understanding screamed/growled vocals so it's also partly a training/skill issue
@@yureikertia6940 meshuggah imo is an outlier they have harsh vocals but once your brain learns to separate the vocals from the instrumentals they do become legible
A lot of rammstein s work is quite deep but you will have to translate unless you're German
@@collincaperton6718 most bands with growls are pretty easy to understand if you actually pay attention to the vocals lol
People forget metal it's not just death and black metal
That's the typical elitist gatekeeper for you 😂
No thats little teenagers thinking their harder then the rest and more scary if they growl and grunt im not even impressed if i cant even f-king understand what they are singing about
@@patrickbertlein4626 anything that gets old changes into hardrock for some people
True, and the best progressive death metal bands also use clean vocals imo. Old Opeth, Gojira, Swallow the Sun, rivers of nihil etc.
@@user-lq6vm8yt4h no, thats a lot of adults 😅.... im 40.. i know too many guys like that. I like my extreme sub genres but dont u dare disrespect the pioneers. And, newer bands blending sub genres let them be
Dio, the god of metal, is in real trouble then. Its nothing but clean singing. XD It actually why I enjoy Dio so much is the clear vocals and story telling.
I love dio, i can understand everything he says and still headbang
I love clean singing.
Like….so much!
Confused Black Sabbath noises \*
its even funnier because ozzy doesn't even growl and you cant understand what he even says when he talks normally lmao
@@Tanzenergise
we saillllll through jfkHfirna
Shining like hfkalfirjsn
Jfjskieixbha
Still one of my favourites. 😂
@@-grey one of the metal lyrics of all time 😂
to quote nik nocturnal, "wha-wha Sharon?"
i know it always makes me tear up, it's so beautiful :,)@@-grey
The vocalists that can do screams/growls and clean singing get all of my respect.
I’m pretty sure in order to do growl singing/yelling/screaming you need to be proficient in clean singing to understand breath control, projection, etc
COREY TAYLORR
MATT SHADOWS GOat
You’d like Avatar then
@@spacewizardpip1111 avatars pretty decent
I don't know why these guys came up in my shorts feed since I really only really listen to the occasional metal video game cover but I'm not complaining. These guys are great!
clean singing is amazing
Iron Maiden is metal indeed.
I have searched for you SO MUCH
And they are like og metal.
@@tarimkoysever fr
They are THE metal.
They are metal
Crawl through knives by in flames like bro that’s one of the most metal sentences ever
look at their first 3 album which had little to no cleans, it’s only from colony onwards cleans began to be used… which is fine because it added a new dynamic to their sound
Causal tuesday for me.
@@whyisyes3957I'm not a fan of in flames, but "Jester Race" just is an amazing track.
@@gaseki I like most of their albums, again they have a few bad ones but overall it’s more good than bad IMO
They haven’t had a good album in 20 years . Clayman was the last album I enjoyed more than one song off the album
just enjoy whatever you like to listen
I legitimately had a friend tell me it’s not metal if it’s easily identifiable as music… I don’t talk to him much anymore
Clean singing is metal af
OPETH FUCKS HARD!!!! WE LOVE OPETH!!!!!
Over half the metal I've listened to and loved for over 25 years, has been in fact clean singing or clean singing with guttural mixed. Suck it gatekeepers! \m/
One of the biggest reasons I listen to things like post hardcore and metalcore is the juxtaposition between clean and heavy vocals. Heavy vocals after clean hits even harder.
@@worldslargestnerd exactly!
Couldn't agree more! But oh no they don't like it when you call them gatekeepers 😂😂😂. I've had experience with that. Enjoy what you like but don't let someone tell you something isn't "real metal" that's the most childish thing I hear people say.
@CW19941 If I wanna rock out to Electric Callboy, Powerwolf, Babymetal or Alestorm, I'm gonna.
I never liked screamo. I listen to power metal and similar genres. They're just "musical" and "metal" at the same time and to me that's perfect.
This is something that is observable in any genre and even almost any subgenre of music.
The reason behind it is, you get the people like us, the initiated, who not only listen to the music and the bands, but study them, and play the music ourselves.
We understand in theory, feel, and historical value, the pieces we are looking at. we see the compositional value, the aristic value, and understand the nuance.
Then theres the common folk, most of whom never got passed hot cross buns on the keyboard and or recorder. Alot of people think they like metal music, when they only like a particular niche subgenre.
glam metal people typically arent into black metal.
Grunge metal is typically seen as emo music by the uninitiated because of the typically dark lyrics. Metal has so many genres. Glam, classical, heavy, death, black, underground, grunge, metalcore and it just keeps going.
same thing happens in jazz. people say they like jazz. they mean they like smooth major and minor pentatonic jazz for the most part. if you made them try and chart or understand real jaz standards with dorian progressions or something like the emily standard, they would be lost as fuck and say "this isnt jazz"
Also last time i checked, emo kids dont listen to anything as up tempo and agressive as any form of metal music. Dont they listen to shit like that one track"waste" from brock hampton. or like "Fall For You" by second hand serenade lol? Cant say i remember the last time i saw an emo kid jaming out to alice in chains and pumping iron while smoking Marlboro reds hahahaha.
“Clean singing isn’t real metal” Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, AC/DC, Slipknot, Deftones, SOAD, Nirvana, Soundgarden, Iron Maiden, Metallica, Def Leppard, Foo Fighters, RHCP, Aerosmith, Linkin Park, Pearl Jam, RATM, Korn, Megadeth, Avenged Sevenfold, Papa Roach, Rammstein, and Guns N. Roses:
I hate to be that guy but some of those names are indeed not metal bands. 😂
Soundgarden, Nirvana, Pearl Jam are not metal. Want me to continue?
Foo Fighters and RHCP are not metal.
Def Leppard and Scavenged Plagiarist crapper old are not metal. Sorry not sorry.
@@NcessNasya I hate to be that guy, but I bet you don’t listen to any of their music.
Man can you imagine if bands like Iron Maiden or Black Sabbath had clean singing. Wait...
Ugh ohhhh 😂😭
I literally went ever single Iron Maiden albums lol
they were my 1st and will be my last 😉
Man, Metallica is to metal what Mario is to video games
Metallica albums are like 3D Mario games
It's different each time
Euhm....akshually, real video games have deep stories with 3 hours worth of cutscenes
@@spawnofchaos9422 reminds me of tool lol
Nah because Mario games that come out now are still good.
@@asafoetidajones8181womp womp
I LOVEEE SPRITBOX AND ARCHITECTS AAAAA
bro in flames is what got me into metal, literally saw them at my first metal concert 😭
I remember being told by a gate keeper I wasnt an actual metal fan because my favourite bands are Iron Maiden, Metallica, and Judas Priest, and I couldn't believe it 😅
LOL
some people are insane
Similar situation to you, diehard metalhead, got told I don't know anything about anything because... I called Iron Maiden "heavy metal". Yeah. I was just stumped, but I think if there was a 40 year old metalhead in the room he would get knocked out 😅
Wow it's usually the other way around I for instance was called quite a few names for being what's now known as hard classic rock mainly trying to hang out with the metalheads until I revealed my extended knowledge of iron maiden and Judas priest and the new wave of British heavy metal. if you haven't heard them before I'd recommend a band named wolf and another one named rage.
I agree with gatekeeping, but the gatekeeper needs to know what the genre actually is. Like, I can’t respect numetal as metal. Why? Limp bizkit is classified as numetal.
@@myrhev actually thanks to Faith no More there's a bit of a rabbit hole here. The very beginnings of which are anthrax and public enemy going bye-bye taking out anthrax carving a giant hole in popular thrash best case scenario. and actually buy the one band defines the genre that you just laid down, there goes Aerosmith because of Aerosmith and run DMC and the entire Roots get dug up after that one. Have a nice day.
Got me thinking of that meme of James hetfield walking through a metal detector with the message “no metal detected”
I remember that meme🤣 Metallica is my favorite band but I got a good laugh. The whole "not metal" thing is just silly at this point.
Lol
I mean if james hetfield is 80 years old and still playin in his band with his 3 other 80 year old band mates, is it still really metal? I dont fucking think so.
@@user-zv3iy4zo4p James is 60
@@user-zv3iy4zo4p why wouldn't it be?
I love all metal, but i will say, it takes more talent to be able to bounce back and forth from screams to cleans and cleans to screams EFFICIENTLY than just screams lol! And a lot of our favorite vocalists are throwing cleans into the mix Tom Barber (darko is throwing some cleans around) and same with Kyle Anderson from brand of sacrifice (between death and dreams had some cleans, the "album" and the song lol same with blinded!) But those are just 2 examples of super heavy ass bands bringing in clean vocals!
Hahaha,I'm old but I liked metal when I was a kid....cleans?? Hahaha,never heard of that ,now I understand that means the opposite of screaming. I think it's the music that says what genre it is at least that was the case when I was a kid
@@bojanmilenkovic2043 lol I get it, I'm 37 now, but back between 2006-2012 I played guitar for a few bands in central Florida and we always used the terms "cleans" and "screams" granted it does sound better than "cleans and harsh vocals" hahah but yeah, maybe it's just a florida music scene term, i moved to Montana a few years ago and people look at me funny when i call singing "clean vocals" which could be confused with "clean screams" which is when someone uses proper vocal techniques to acquire perfect (or near perfect) screams (like Will Ramos, Kyle Anderson, Tom Barber, hell even Chris motionless has really sick screams) lol, but from one "older" metal head to another, keep on rocking in the free world! lmfao
I love that sleep token was in the background
Iron Maiden: "Uh excuse me what the actual fuck are you doing in my house, like get the fuck.."
Ozzy would probably say that
Yeah but they suck 🫣
@@glorbognot as suck as your life is. 😊
@@glorbog Wdym suck? One of the most succesful bands of all time.
@@jurekgadzinowski2895 lol you know, this is my opinion. Taylor Swift sucks, Bieber sucks, ac/dc sucks, a7x sucks, hip hop sucks, rap sucks, country fucking sucks, nirvana sucks, etc etc...
ALL VERY/INCREDIBLY SUCCESSFUL.
But I still think they suck lol
I absolutely love when they mashup clean and rough vocals. Absolutely my favorite, eargasim you may say
the charm is in the contrast 👌
Check out Avatar, they do that in their songs
It is!!
If you haven’t, check out the band Phinehas. They do this perfectly
*gasm
I loooove Spiritbox! I had no clue who they were
And they opened for another band in San Francisco, I was obsessed ever since! Love a badass metal chick!
Clean singing is one of the best parts of metal songs ☠️ the contrast is so beautiful to my ears
Piscis by jinjer
@guilhermecastro9893 as well as Home Back and Judgement (& punishment) also by jinjer, they're masters of that contrast
AGREED
clean singing is definitely still metal, i prevail is a good example
I was gonna go with Iron Maiden or Judas Priest, but yeah there's a lot of good metal bands that have clean singing.
@@TheMaxWhoKnewTooMuch those ones are good too man, the people who say clean vocals in metal isnt real metal are clowns
Isn’t I Prevail Nu-Metal/Metalcore tho? NOT saying those aren’t metal, but that band in specific will literally garner you nothing from metal elitists because they hate both of those genres haha
@@avriel6903 yea i prevail is metalcore lol i love that band. those metal elitists will definitely argue that i prevail isnt “metal”
@@metalcore_slapsI would say it's metal but that doesn't mean it's good
I always saw In Flames as my gateway drug. Fell in love with their clean songs(mainly Trigger because I listened to Soilwork first) back when I listened almost exclusively to hip hop, found out about their first albums and I was like Hey that's pretty good. Barely half a year later I was listening to black metal and hanging out with a compltely different crowd. Ahhhh highschool. Fun times.
in flames is like ancestor of melodic death metal...
I've literally heard a person say Slaughter to Prevail wasn't metal because BabaYaga had rapping and cleanish vocals in it. I just can't with people.
"Flesh we ate" is clean 😂😂
Slaughter to Prevail = Lame
Slipknot's vocalist sang a song with his clean vocal ?? It's not metal 😂😂
@@jorgequiroz1027 You're joking, right?
@@user-uo1zt5ms7u😂
Sabaton:
HISTORY IS METAL AS FUCK!
Hot take : every song without clean singing sound like listening to white noise
Bro, man made god by in flames is one of the most metal songs of all time and its instrumental. Ive been listening to metal for a very long time and In Flames will always be one of my favs.
I love metal bands with clean vocals, I also love metal bands with no clean vocals. But In Flames not being metal is a new one for me, pretty damn funny honestly.
So, i dont know how old you are but let me just see if i can give you perspective from someone who would say that to you.
Ive been a metalhead since the early Pantera\Metallica\Sepultura days, and sometime around 2005ish, a metal band came out with an album and a new sound that would change mainstream metal, forever and it was something that I personally was not a fan of.
So the band is "Killswitch Engage" I'm sure you have heard of them, do you know what they did that im thinking of? I'm gonna stop here, to see if you want to "Engage" in this convo, and take a stab at what I'm thinking of..
So something they did with their sound\format of a typical "metal" song, that no band did before this, and almost every new metal band does now.
If you dont respond in a day or so, then ill just finish my thought. :P
@@user-zv3iy4zo4p almost 40, started listening to metal in 95... I'm guessing you're either trying to say that you're a metal elitist who has perfect taste and only likes "trve metal?" Or that KSE somehow ruined metal by doing something that was semi innovative at the time and built on what bands like Poison The Well were doing. The biggest problem is that most kids nowadays aren't as creative (but to be fair to them metal is hard to innovate in) so they just follow trends. Many are probably scared to innovate in a genre that has so many gatekeepers/reviewers that trash everything new and then turn around and talk about how much they love it 10 years later, or the countless old heads who don't like anything that came out after their high school years because they try to live in the past since they hate their life and peaked in high school... so they crap on everything and everyone every chance they get because they're self loathing and miserable. Other than that I'm not sure what you're trying to convey with your comment, so go ahead and finish your "thought."
@@chiefbrownfart ok lol.. well they do this thing, where its like a chorus, but you know the song is going good, its hard, its metal, and then all of a sudden out of the blue, they will start singing like a bunch of poofters, for a few bars, and then back to hard again and normal, and then again singing like poofters. I fucking hate it. You gotta know what im talking about. No metal did this before these guys.
ok
here this is what im talking about.. this song rocks until he starts crying about it "being his last serenade" check it out.
th-cam.com/video/OoQrwKJtv_c/w-d-xo.html
This was the first band to do this. And now all the new metal bands do this.
So my only choice is to be stuck in the past, and gatekeep. Because it would be one thing, it was just a separate and unique genre within metal itself, but instead every new band thought this was cool, and copied them.
THankfully, there is still one band, and only one band that has been able to keep releasing new records intoi their 60's, and thats Rammstein. Everyone else is terrible, or i just go back and listen to how metal USED to be, like "Pantera" Vulgar Display of Power" , or Sepulture, "arise" .
Thats it. Lol. THats my thought. It's finished now. Thasnk you for engaging with me.
One last question:
Are you Chief Brown and "farting" in the present tense?
Or are you a leader of tribe, known for their "brown farts"?
Asking for a friend.
Rock on, Chief.
@@user-zv3iy4zo4p I hear you, I guess I should feel grateful that I enjoy the clean singing then. I'm definitely familiar with the early Killswitch material as I was pretty into their first 2-3 albums. Do you enjoy death metal that has no clean vocals, or bands that have some screams that sound like they have a tiny bit of pitch and melody to them like Cattle Decapitation? As far as the name goes I never really gave it much thought honestly, so I guess I'll go with the 2nd option... I like the way that sounds hahaha. 🤘
Yep, one reason why I love Power Metal. Clean vocals!
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@@alternativerockemo6783r🤢p metal
@@alternativerockemo6783not gonna say it’s not real metal, but power metal is poser shit
@@zbox6420
Well I'm not a big fan of power metal either (it's too weak and boring for my own taste) but everyone has different taste afterall
@@alternativerockemo6783 he literally said he wasn't going to say it isn't real metal. he just said it's poser shit, as in, it's for geeks. like, the way black metal attracts dorky larpers who paint their face and take pictures in the woods, power metal attracts dweebs who play way too much dungeons and dragons and practice ""wicca"" (they smoke weed)
Clean singing just makes songs nostalgic
Why is this so accurate..
as a metal head, I actually prefer clean singing over harsh vocals 😂
in most cases, so do i.
Exceptions are when i can actually understand the words they are growling, then i can often appreciate it still.
SAME
Like Linkin park, Chester has a really high pitched voice but it absolutely makes the whole song/album better...rest in peace 🕊️
me too! harsh vocals hurt my ears even if my volume is very low 😂 I already have fucked up hearing, I don't need it to get even worse lol
Clean singing makes it pop music
*Eddie has being awoken
Fr
no they sucks they cant sing good like taylor swift
If I'm correct, Eddie is the name of the iron maiden mascot right? Eddie the EAD
@@icedemon672 yes
I love some cleaning singing mixed in with some screams I think it goes hard sometimes it doesn't but most of the time it's good
I love clean singing i think the contrast between the clean and scream is really cool and sounds great
i'm exactly the opposite....do one or the other and i'm fine with either, but mix them up and it just sounds cheesy to me
@TheFujac I'll give you that sometimes it can be very corny but I still like it
*Was
Metal has some of the most pompous, closed minded fans out there. I've heard people make the same "not metal" argument for so many great bands. Most of those kinds of guys think the only real metal bands are obscure death metal bands from the mid 90's.
That's because metal is actually the most popular genre of music in the world, it's one of the contributing factors as to why the Grammys exclude them
You can tell if metal is metal because of how it makes you feel. Metal.
I love some spirit box songs
Whelp, you heard it here first, folks, Black Sabbath, the literal _creators of metal,_ aren't a metal band, nor is Metallica, which _literally has Metal in the name!_
I'm starting a rival band called polkalicca
@@aeoligarlic4024 I'd honestly listen to that.
to be fair they should've dropped the metal part when they released the black album
@@TheFujacblack album is still heavy metal, you maybe mean Loud/Reload. And still considering they came back, it doesn't matter anymore 🤷
@@TheFujac they kind of did Jason got everyone saying talica even James himself.
Clean singing is the best part of all metal songs, change my mind.
I'm impartial to good riffs but that's just me
@@whosaidthat84think you mean partial to good riffs lol; impartial to them means you don’t care about good riffs
@@FYZZUMP oops😂
Riffs bro
Listen to last days of humanity for 48 hours straight please
I even prefer clean singing in my metal
I love yalls videos 🤣 like a weird ass fever dream every time.
Complement taken 😂
@opalinskyband and a reply? Dope as shit 🤣 keep it up guys! Too damn awesome.
What people are saying this , teens . I grew up in the 80's . I went to concerts where the building's felt like it was shaking, all clean singing even Thrash at the time , not many bands at the time had harsh singing. Your going to need to put 10 thousand bands on the list lol
I love clean vocals because I actually like understanding wtf they are saying.
But I do also like SOME growly singing.
Idk depends on my mood. Really Ill listen to ANYTHING
To the spirit box thing. Two words, cellar door.
That lead singer definitely looks like she has a spirit box. Yum
Dude, I love all kinds of metal, clean singing or not. I particularly love the ones that mix both.
I'd recommend sleep token and bad omens. Sleep token mixes a lot of different genre of metal into their music and its incredible. Bad omens has a couple of different singing styles in their music. Both of them just bring the feels
@@maxharvey165
Yeah that's basically Post-hardcore, one of the best genre
Although Post-hardcore exists in rock and metal variants, depending on the instrumentals
Sleep Token and Bad Omens are part of the Metal variant of Post-hardcore
OPETH was amazing at that
-Ghost Reveres
-Blackwater Park
Their newer stuff is apparently all clean. But yeah Opeth is peak of that
@@alternativerockemo6783Sleep Token is also Prog Metal
Clean singing metal is what got me into metal
Fuck the end made me laugh a little too hard
I like it when clean singing is there but idk that's my opion
All fun and games till us metal heads meet te magnet heads
Every metal band is emo shit. That’s why we love it.
Except of all the metal bands that aren't metalcore that is
no? tf are you on
@@gombka1144
Metalcore isn't emo by default. Although it can get very emotional and intensive sometimes, but it's till not quite the same as what most people would think of when speaking about emo music
The emo culture is mostly located in the Rock genre anyway, not in metal
However there is one specific metal genre where emo is indeed a big part of:
The *Emocore*
Which exists in both Rock and Metal variant.
It can get very emotional and intensive.
Some exmaples of emocore are:
Famous Words Words
A Bullet for pretty boy
(not to be confused wit _Bullet for my valentine)_ 😅
Crown the empire (2012 & 2014 albums)
Surroundings (2014 album)
We Came As Romans (2009 album)
And some others...
Iron Maiden is technically goth by that funny standard. With the scary mascot and all XD
@@capatap7091 I don’t see how it isn’t. It’s all anger and sadness. That’s emo.
In Flames goes hard
Ngl I love nu metal (for the most part) and I think it’s because of the clean singing plus my introduction to metal was godsmack
I love clean singing ❤
I had no idea what that part in songs were called until now but songs like that are my favorite
Progressive metal remains my favourite subgenre and that's almost all clean vocals with a few like Opeth and Mastodon thrown in.
Do you listen to Periphery?
Opeth is my fav band of all time
I just learned about Leprous recently. GOOOOOD shit man
I'll have to check all these out
My all-time fave is Coheed
@@That1AfroedGuy For Opeth I recommend starting with the Blackwater Park album, blends harsh and soft vocals masterfully, and the song Bleak is a personal favourite.
Clean singing has been in the genre more than the nails on a chalkboard sounding yells
I one time went to see the architects they were supporting a Scottish band called biffy clyro that concert got me into metal and I learned a new moral low ground on my guitar
I went to see biffy because my whole immediate family like them
Thank you for keeping *IN FLAMES*
In the conversation. They’ve done so much for my sister and I’s music library. 🤪
Spiritbox be dropping some heavy shit
SB7 💀
When?
@@Osmium38 yes the SB7 be picking up dead metal heads screaming absolute bangers
Man seeing the cover for bear tooths first album brings back memorys
They call me Lord of the Gate
in flames is one of my favorite metal bands love the guitar work
In Flames are an awesome metal band!
*was
Holy shit is that an atoMship profile pic
@@mickmack8351lol. Heck yeah!
Waaaaassss
Thank you for defending In Flames! I love them from Lunar Strain to Forgone!
I fuvking love in flames shit goes hard asf oh i saw architects there to
I actually love me some clean singing in between grunts
How can anyone say Metallica aren’t metal with a straight face, they not only dominated the genre but we’re never afraid to try things musically
It's a straw man argument by the op. Hetfield sings with a growl to his voice, so it's not really clean singing anyway
Because Metallica ruined their legacy by not knowing when to quit. Many bands saved their legacies like Faith No More, Sepultura, etc. because they know when shit just wasnt working. As far as Metallica is concerned, real metalheads know that "Justice for All" was their Magnum Opus, and one of the greatest metal albums to ever have been created, but anything after Justice for All, starting with the Black album was just pure garbage. Some people just dont know when to quit.
@@user-zv3iy4zo4p 🤣🤣 found one!
@@user-zv3iy4zo4pbros mad that bands don’t wanna break up
@@user-zv3iy4zo4p it's called a passion 😂😂 people don't quit just because you don't like it......
Inflames crushes live!!! Clouds Connected is my fav
i saw those slipknot album covers lol. i like clean singing in metal, especially when the instrumental is heavy as fuck
it so strange to hear someone say they dont enjoy metallica.
Its a soulless band with no good album in the last decades, their PR is also disgusting and painting them as some kind of important forebeares-
No, not if they say they dont enjoy any "new" metallica or anything after "Justice for All" which was not only their Magnum Opus, but one of the greatest metal albums ever produced.. But anything after falls off drastically and St. Anger was pure garbage. It made me fucking angered thats for sure. Some of these guys dont know when to quit, and they tarnish their own legacies with the old school fans(who are just as relevant as the new school fans)
@@user-zv3iy4zo4pyou do realize there is a giant amount of crossover, right? As in, a majority of old school fans are also new school fans and vice versa. I completely get it because yes their sound changed but most people don't hate them for it, despite what those who do may believe. Listen to Judas priest. Tell me if Rob's first and last albums with them his first time, Rocka Rolla and Painkiller, sound remotely like the same band. Sure, you can tell it's the same singer, but everything else is completely different. Even Rob sounds different. Artists evolve, and people change. I will never understand the inability to understand this. And yes, you are completely correct in that St. Anger sucks. No one was debating that though.
@@nox5555everything you like and consider real metal and whatever is a derivative of thrash metal, which Metallica pioneered. You don't have to like them, but your attitude towards them is what is soulless here. You are literally the person he is talking about in this video 😅😅😅
@@alex_capone
Spot on, man! 😂
For the part 3 we definitely need Amaranthe on the list
But that would make it true
@@unclechaelsneckveinwomp womp
@@TrevorTDK Sad but true