The only way a Z7 III would work if it was strictly a photo-centric, no or minimal video camera with a much lower price, but like you said the Z7 II is enough. I think a high MP Zf would be a better idea than Z7 III. Call it the Zf II or the Zf S or some other letter depicting high resolution.
@@artsilva exactly. I’m in favor of a High MP with basic video ability. There has to be some video or it just won’t sell. There’s tons of people who know they don’t do video but would still throw a fit without it lol
A mirrorless camera without any video capability, is incredibly niche - and just isn't going to happen. Of course, a camera such as a potential Z7 III isn't going to be a video performer, they're likely to re-use the current sensor and add the new processor (with the improved autofocus etc). At a pinch, they might have a semi-stacked sensor similar to the Z6 III - but that'd mainly be to increase the readout speed for autofocus performance purposes. A fully stacked sensor is unlikely, at that point you've essentially got the Z8.
My thoughts... Nikon desperately needs the Z5ii. They need an updated FF Z mount entry camera system and I'm surprised that it's not already here. IMHO Nikon needs it more that a Z7iii but your milage may vary. 🍻
I am done hoping for a Nikon Z5 mark 2... it could be my very first camera ever. i would like a refreshed z5 ii because i would like to use it hybrid. i dont want to pay 3k € on a z6 iii
Nikon have been following a pretty clear formula since they started turning things around with the Z9, and have been working steadily down the product line. Now the Z6 III is done, a Z5 II is probably the next camera they're likely to announce, maybe a Z7 III - but I'm less convinced about that one. Then later in 2025, they'll probably start the cycle again with the Z9 II.
This is my list which is never gonna happen: - A re-issued D700 - A D3x with a sensor which has better high ISO capability - Bring back 8 track tapes - The time that nobody had a cellphone - 80's and 90's movies
Muahahahahaha! @Ton, I could not stop laughing at that cellphone (mobile phone) comment. Man ALIVE! What a time that was? We had to actually go out and interact with people.
Nikon should make the Z7III a more photo centric camera than a video camera. A 60MP sensor not stacked, 4k video worth 30fps and possibly 60fps with a small crop. No 6k. Expeed 7 processor and autofocus system from the Z8 and IBIS from the Zf/Z6III. Price is from $3,000 to $3,300. This can help differentiate the Z7III from the Z8.
I agree. Just throttle the video specs, make it a slower FPS is fine even. I think they get it under 3k. The people who need/want the Megapixels won't care, even though TH-camrs will poo poo on it for skimping on some features that make it more stills focused and less hybrid. I'm here for it.
I would love to have a Z7iii, with 60mpx BSI CMOS Sensor, with best dynamic range, with Expeed 7 processor, 10fps would be enough for that camera. Price USD 3200 to USD 3500.
I want this as another variant of the Zf. Basically a better leica q3 for almost half the price that you can use with a single small prime or still have the option of using any z glass. The only problem is idk if the 28mm and 40mm are good enough lenses at that many mpx, I would also like Nikon to release higher quality versions of the compact primes that are on par with zeiss or voigtlander lenses.
I would love for Nikon to fix Snapbridge to actually work and as Nikon Cameras go I would want a Zf 2 in chrome with only B&W an no video. Happy New Year y'all enjoy 2025 shooting📷🙏🏼✌🏽❤
Yes!!! the Snapbridge app needs more love! That app should keep a reliable connection to the camera. The app has a slow transfer speed. I think this should be low hanging fruit for Nikon.
I've heard people complain about snapbridge and I must not use it like everyone else because it works great for me. But all I do is use it for remote shooting. (Thumbnails, self portraits, etc). I don't transfer or use the photos it saves to my phone when doing so.
@@ZWadePhoto it fails to even open gets about to 28% and then stops running. Have tried numerous times and no luck. Maybe this year NIKON may get it straightened out. Happy New Year 🎊 and have fun shooting 📸
I swear I don’t think people hit the ok button on the camera during sync because SnapBridge has never given me issues with any of the Z cameras I own and so many people say it doesn’t even connect.
I've mentioned that while it doesn't need to be replaced yet, when they do I'd be happy with something more along the lines of the Plena and 85. The 35 i bet will be roughly the same shape as those.
Would be funny if Nikon beat Fuji's rumored medium format rangefinder to market with a 45mp rangefinder fixed lens camera. I'd settle for a Z5 sensor as well, but you know how people get about megapixels lol. .
Remember when mirrorless was suppose to be the smaller, lighter alternative to DSLRs? Well so much for THAT idea. For creative photography I am saving my money and went back to my F mount system.
The Z system cameras and lens are generally lighter. Funny thing many people complain about the small size of the Z6/7 cameras. That Z50ii is small. The Z6iii is significantly lighter than the Nikon D750, with the D750 weighing around 830 grams while the Z6 III weighs approximately 760 grams.
I never bought into the smaller and lighter argument. The system is technically, but it isn't enough to convince me it's a good reason to switch. It's good marketing speak though and people bought it. haha. You get any lens on a cameras, especially the ones I like, and they are right back to being as big as they've always felt in my hands. Thanks for watching.
@@ZWadePhoto Those Z wildlife lens are the only place you really feel a real weight difference. Those z2.8 Zooms feel just as heavy after 8-9 hours of a wedding and reception shoot as the F mount versions did. Hey the F mount PF lens are lighter and helped make the D500 more popular for wildlife.
@@williambuford6136 It all evens out in the end. For an all day shoot to get the battery power of a DSLR you would have to use a battery grip and/or carry three times as many batteries making the body not that much smaller in the long run. Same with lenses. And keep in mind, more composites (plastics) are used in mirrorless to "try" to save weight, another concern about build longevity.
@@ZWadePhoto I 100% agree. I was just explaining to someone that with mirrorless you still have to carry more batteries for an all day shoot to equal the output power of a DSLR which is significant with maybe a battery grip, and then size and weight is no different
I think the term optical quality has different meaning for different photographers. As I have become older and more experienced I tend to use the term rendering, I am more attracted to the character of a lens than the clinical sharpness that has become mainstream today. I also think rendering has little to do with fast apertures, which were more important in the film days, with todays crazy good high ISO cameras and editing software that can reduce noise and add shallow depth of field 1.2's are not as important. Some of the best lenses of all time were 2.8's to 3.5's because of their character and rendering. ✌✌ Godspeed to all in the New Year
For sure f/1.2 is totally not necessary these days, but Nikon's F/1.2's so far have been of a beautiful rendering breed. They a have an artistic quality to them and since they don't do that in the other lenses, it makes them important to me. I like a "look" Thanks for swinging by longrider!
Any chance you’ve shot the 105 1.4 E on z mount? The faster 105 intrigues me but I know the z mount lens when it comes out will be crazy expensive. I currently have the 105mc and it’s very good, especially with onboard VR, I’d just love a 1.2-1.8 version
I haven't, but if I find someone around here that has one I'd literally pay them cash to let me use it in a video. haha. Everyone I know from TH-cam that adapts it say that it actually function better adapted to a Z9 than it ever did on F mount. I don't know if that applies to Z6ii and Zf though.
I pretty much agree with everything you said and don’t really have anything to add 😂😂😂 I don’t think a z7iii is coming anytime soon. Z70….. why don’t they just put a 30 meg apsc sensor in the Z6iii body After the success of the ZF I honestly think that they may surprise everyone with a sexy retro FF Range finder. I would buy it immediately ❤
I think if Nikon improved the initial pickup of a subject, over tracking it from one end of a hockey rink to the other for example, that's all you need. If you track a subject in pro sports you are missing the shot. That is you have to anticipate were the action is going to be. That's why a lot of pros are still using dslrs. Your shot is in milliseconds. If AI focus on Canon R1 is tracking someone with the ball like in basketball or soccer, the focus will be fooled all the time, and miss were the ball and the play is going to be made. All I need is a split second.
I don't want another 45mp, but if the rangefinder had that, that'd be cool. i still want a higher megapixel Z7iii, not a replacement for the whole Z7 line.
I’d love them to put that z9 sensor in a ‘rangefinder’. Nikon’s FF cameras are a bit heavy compared to the Sony c series, or Fuji APSc models. Maybe a ‘rangefinder’ which used the z9 sensor could lose the shutter assembly and get down under 600g. I agree with you on the z7 series. Use case for this needs to be resolution without speed. Keep to 45mpix for the z9ii - it’s plenty.
I would definitely like a Nikon flat top full frame camera. And there is one full frame lens that is greatly missed in the mirrorless world for me. A 200mm 1:1 (or better) mirrorless designed AF macro lens. That prime currently does not exist on any mirrorless full frame brand. It was the lack of that prime that pushed me into the m43 world when OM Systems released the 90 (2:1) macro.
Basically agree, except for a D500 replacement. Like you mentioned, Z8/DX fills this purpose perfectly; no need to waste precious resources on this. A Z7III should be an ultra specialized 80mp landscape / portrait and studio camera for professional commercial photography with limited video capabilities. A “Zs” Leica style rangefinder will find lots of buyers. Dream on!
The Z8/DX misses the D500 level in the pricing dept. The Dxxx line prosumer Nikons were always cheaper than the Pro models. The D500 plus the F200-500mm F5.6 was the Gateway drug to the Wildlife lens purchases for Nikon.
I like your Idea of a "showroom car", a product Nikon doesn't plan on selling much, but draws people to the dealership, so to speak. like a f/2 24-70 or a 200mm f/1.8. Another legendary lens was a f/2.8 180mm Nikon had and make that an f/2. Didn't Nikon eat Canon's lunch at one time with the f series wide primes?
Sometimes you just need an answer for the few, not the majority. Admittedly, that kind of thing generally comes when there is liquidity, production capacity, and consumer needs. We'll see what we get. Thanks for wathcing!
If you're a slow shooter the Z5 is still a good choice. I will mention, I think Nikon nailed the Z5 sensor on accident. I like how it renders so much, for so little money, that I don't know if they can do it again. In some ways it renders better than all the other Nikon cameras in all price ranges. But we do need a version with the AF we're used to with the ZF, 6iii, 8 and 9
It's dated, but probably still the best all-round entry level option of the full frame mirrorless manufacturers, at the moment. If you compare against Canon's R8 for example - which is their current entry level full frame model - it has no AF joystick, one card slot, lower resolution EVF, and poor battery life.
@@ZWadePhoto Hopefully there will be more improvement in sensors for Nikon. They have Reds technology now and who knows what they had on the Drawing board a few years back. Nikon had managed to increase DR and Noise over time with their sensors. BSI was a major brake through. Quantum efficiency improvement has allowed APS-C and Full frame gather more light at a smaller pixel size than the previous generations while allowing a higher megapixel count. Maybe the next generation of Stack Sensor regains the DR that was lost in the current generation.
id like to see a brand get serious in regards to security. we walk about with lots of moneys worth of gear and anyone can take it from you. At least have something that can render the device unusable in such case, modern technology, come on
I agree, but I think they will always revert to, "Oh, why not get insurance it's inexpensive." Which is totally true, I have insurance, but I also need it for my business if someone gets bonked in the head and needs stiches. lol. I think anything at all would be great, but I also don't think that it will deter anyone. A built in Airtag type thing that is charged by the camera battery and holds a reserve for when powered down and battery removed that links to your phone would be the easiest cheapest solution.
Any "security" features are highly unlikely to deter thieves. What are you going to do as they grab your camera and run off down the street? Frantically shout at them "it has a PIN! it's locked!" - they won't know or care. This also adds complexity in the second hand market, what if someone sells you a camera and hasn't removed the security from it - which is already an issue with things like smart phones.
If you get bored, take a look at some reviews of the Fujifilm X-Pro1. I think that sort of hybrid optical/electronic finder could be implemented in the nikon ecosystem to make that retro rangefinder style that would click with a lot of people. The challenge would be packaging. How to get at least an en-el15 battery in there and something resembling dual card slots. Aesthetic could be like the old nikon/contax look, but accept Z-system lenses. That would be a tremendous street and journalism platform.
The ROI Nikon needs to develop a totally new sensor (Yes...They develop them and Sony produces them) is fairly high. Unless RED has something brewing, we'll be living in 20.9 DX 24MP FX and 47MP FX for some time. I would believe with some of the patents they have for the Hybrid Global Shutter...that may happen on a future Z9 but probably a 3rd iteration and not the Z9II.
I hope for a Z9 II , with pre-capture Raw , Improved viewfinder , and much better AF (Sony / Canon level or better) Firmware update for Z6 III that adds open gate (and Z9 if possible) , shutter angle , and fix the flickering if possible 35 1.2 That's it.
Seems like a camera that is more needed than any you mentioned would be a Z5II - Nikon really needs an entry level (Sub $2000 - maybe $1500-1800) full frame camera - it could literally be the Zf guts in the Z6III body but with two SD UHSII slots instead of the CF Express. I think this camera for like $1600 would sell like hot cakes and provide an entry point for the new generation to get into Nikon from the get go. If Nikon could surprise us and put this out for sub $1500 (kinda like how they surprised us with 5500 for the Z9 and 1300 for the Z5) then I think this camera would fly off the shelves and serve to help Nikon retake some of its lost Sony marketshare. -PD
ZF guts in the Z6III body but with two SD UHSII slots instead of the CF Express. That could be at a $1400 US price point, as nikon would have economy of scale.
I'm a big fan of the Z5 and i've advocated for a version ii. At this moment, I feel the 24ish megapixels is kind of saturated, so Is the 45 honestly. I'd like to see something new first (Higher megapixel Z7iii) followed by a Z5ii. As far as the guts of the ZF and Z6iii, I don't know how they do that for the price that you two suggest without totally cannibalizing Z6iii sales. Zf sales would be ok because it has that retro feel going for it making it a bit more niche. But, I think a ton of people don't use the FPS of the Z6iii. If a Z5ii has 4.5 - 6 FPS, the Z6iii I think gets wacked hard and no way Nikon does that, It's way too new. I think the only way to do a Z5ii right now for the price suggested, is for Nikon to intentionally throttle it hard. Which I don't want, and people will complain about of course, (even though they don't need any of the features they skimp on lol.) FPS, video specs, much less rugged build. I just don't know how they do it for sub $1500 without hurting the Z6iii line. If they can, I'm down for it because again, I think the Z5 had a crazy nice rendering sensor and i'm a big fan.
@@ZWadePhoto I understand your concern, but I don't necessarily agree about the cannibalization problem. First, the Zf (although good) is a far inferior video camera to the Z6III. Remember that when the Z cameras launched in 2018, the Z6 was always touted as the best hybrid/video camera of the two options and it was supposed to stay that way in the Z6 line going forward - Z6II was a little better, but Z6III is a monster video camera for these price points - probably the best in class. Again Z5II would simply not compete head to head in video with the Z6III - which in itself gives enough differentiation to justify the two lines. Also, the Z6III has taken a DR hit in stills for its partially stacked sensor - although not a bad hit - it is measurable against the Zf, which is simply a better stills camera -at least from a DR perspective. I agree that Zf will still sell even though it would be more expensive than the proposed Z5II because there is a premium for the retro design and those that want retro simply want it - so I don't see Z5II hurting Zf much. Finally, there simply needs to be a FF starter camera - $2500 for the Z6III is a fair price for what you get, but is just too expensive for entry level folks. At 1500 or so, the Z5II will bring new blood into the Nikon line and start then out of the gate in the FF (FX) world so that they can start their lens collection right away because they have a clear upgrade path that includes all the lenses etc. Also, I think such a camera would do very well as many people who might not have bought a 'back up' camera at the $2500 Z6III mark might now be willing to put out 1500 to have a very competent second camera. With the economies of scale of using the Zf guts and the Z6III body this is really a no-brainer. -PD P.S. As far as 24MP goes - yes that is saturated, but there is a reason. This is clearly a sweet spot for resolution but with lower data storage etc - both of these things are perfect for entry level, so I don't see this as an issue at all.
Use fx lenses on dx. No need for F1.2 lenses. F4 general use, F1.8 consumer, F2.8 prosumer, F1.4 pro. When people shoot 1.4 you see the exif never at 1.4. Z7 iii updated for Astro and landscape. People need to rethink how awesome the z7x series is. Z7ii sells like hot cakes in Asia, China and Japan. There are other markets outside of the USA?. Why use dx mode on a mega $$ camera. It’s like buying a v8 and you tick the option to only use 4cyl ever. Stupidity. Use crop in software..
My want to DX is for no other reason other than to satisfy everyone else. I do not use DX cameras or lenses. Especially since the cost of entry to FF is so much lower than in the past. Also, Use the 50 1.2 and 85 1.2 for awhile and come back. It has nothing to do with light gathering ability of 1.2 vs 1.4, it's strictly JUST because those lenses are absolutely gorgeous and bring some artistic feel back into an industry where optical precision sharpness is favored over other qualities that result in more beautiful rendering. Thanks for watching
The only way a Z7 III would work if it was strictly a photo-centric, no or minimal video camera with a much lower price, but like you said the Z7 II is enough. I think a high MP Zf would be a better idea than Z7 III. Call it the Zf II or the Zf S or some other letter depicting high resolution.
@@artsilva exactly. I’m in favor of a High MP with basic video ability. There has to be some video or it just won’t sell. There’s tons of people who know they don’t do video but would still throw a fit without it lol
A mirrorless camera without any video capability, is incredibly niche - and just isn't going to happen. Of course, a camera such as a potential Z7 III isn't going to be a video performer, they're likely to re-use the current sensor and add the new processor (with the improved autofocus etc). At a pinch, they might have a semi-stacked sensor similar to the Z6 III - but that'd mainly be to increase the readout speed for autofocus performance purposes. A fully stacked sensor is unlikely, at that point you've essentially got the Z8.
My thoughts... Nikon desperately needs the Z5ii. They need an updated FF Z mount entry camera system and I'm surprised that it's not already here. IMHO Nikon needs it more that a Z7iii but your milage may vary. 🍻
Agreed
We'll see what they do this coming year. Thanks for watching
I am done hoping for a Nikon Z5 mark 2... it could be my very first camera ever. i would like a refreshed z5 ii because i would like to use it hybrid. i dont want to pay 3k € on a z6 iii
Nikon have been following a pretty clear formula since they started turning things around with the Z9, and have been working steadily down the product line. Now the Z6 III is done, a Z5 II is probably the next camera they're likely to announce, maybe a Z7 III - but I'm less convinced about that one. Then later in 2025, they'll probably start the cycle again with the Z9 II.
This is my list which is never gonna happen:
- A re-issued D700
- A D3x with a sensor which has better high ISO capability
- Bring back 8 track tapes
- The time that nobody had a cellphone
- 80's and 90's movies
Muahahahahaha!
@Ton, I could not stop laughing at that cellphone (mobile phone) comment.
Man ALIVE! What a time that was? We had to actually go out and interact with people.
lmfao. I love this. Thanks for commenting
All I need is a 35mm/f1.2S Did Nikon fail in the mass production?
... and a Z 24mm f/1.2 S lens...
@schmel.photography 😮
Maybe it was more complex than they thought. I hope it's right when they finally do it.
Nikon should make the Z7III a more photo centric camera than a video camera. A 60MP sensor not stacked, 4k video worth 30fps and possibly 60fps with a small crop. No 6k. Expeed 7 processor and autofocus system from the Z8 and IBIS from the Zf/Z6III. Price is from $3,000 to $3,300. This can help differentiate the Z7III from the Z8.
I agree. Just throttle the video specs, make it a slower FPS is fine even. I think they get it under 3k. The people who need/want the Megapixels won't care, even though TH-camrs will poo poo on it for skimping on some features that make it more stills focused and less hybrid. I'm here for it.
I would love to have a Z7iii, with 60mpx BSI CMOS Sensor, with best dynamic range, with Expeed 7 processor, 10fps would be enough for that camera. Price USD 3200 to USD 3500.
I want this as another variant of the Zf. Basically a better leica q3 for almost half the price that you can use with a single small prime or still have the option of using any z glass. The only problem is idk if the 28mm and 40mm are good enough lenses at that many mpx, I would also like Nikon to release higher quality versions of the compact primes that are on par with zeiss or voigtlander lenses.
That all sounds good to me!
I would love for Nikon to fix Snapbridge to actually work and as Nikon Cameras go I would want a Zf 2 in chrome with only B&W an no video. Happy New Year y'all enjoy 2025 shooting📷🙏🏼✌🏽❤
Yes!!! the Snapbridge app needs more love! That app should keep a reliable connection to the camera. The app has a slow transfer speed. I think this should be low hanging fruit for Nikon.
I've heard people complain about snapbridge and I must not use it like everyone else because it works great for me. But all I do is use it for remote shooting. (Thumbnails, self portraits, etc). I don't transfer or use the photos it saves to my phone when doing so.
@@ZWadePhoto The photo transfer feature is where it fails often.
@@ZWadePhoto it fails to even open gets about to 28% and then stops running. Have tried numerous times and no luck. Maybe this year NIKON may get it straightened out. Happy New Year 🎊 and have fun shooting 📸
I swear I don’t think people hit the ok button on the camera during sync because SnapBridge has never given me issues with any of the Z cameras I own and so many people say it doesn’t even connect.
Yes, yes to the Zfr rangefinder!
I’d like to see a version II of the 50mm f/1.2 S lens that is smaller and lighter.
That would increase the price ten fold.
@@rumporridge1 Maybe not, Nikons 85 f1.2 and 135 f1.8 Plena are smaller. Nikon pricing would not increase like that.
I've mentioned that while it doesn't need to be replaced yet, when they do I'd be happy with something more along the lines of the Plena and 85. The 35 i bet will be roughly the same shape as those.
Would be funny if Nikon beat Fuji's rumored medium format rangefinder to market with a 45mp rangefinder fixed lens camera. I'd settle for a Z5 sensor as well, but you know how people get about megapixels lol. .
It would be a big hit with the fun loving crowd.
Totally agree on the rangefinder comments. s-mount with the same switch on the zf that toggles between bnw and color. FF. From a Zf and FM user.
I think it's a great idea for the fun seeking crowd.
Remember when mirrorless was suppose to be the smaller, lighter alternative to DSLRs? Well so much for THAT idea. For creative photography I am saving my money and went back to my F mount system.
The Z system cameras and lens are generally lighter. Funny thing many people complain about the small size of the Z6/7 cameras. That Z50ii is small. The Z6iii is significantly lighter than the Nikon D750, with the D750 weighing around 830 grams while the Z6 III weighs approximately 760 grams.
I never bought into the smaller and lighter argument. The system is technically, but it isn't enough to convince me it's a good reason to switch. It's good marketing speak though and people bought it. haha. You get any lens on a cameras, especially the ones I like, and they are right back to being as big as they've always felt in my hands.
Thanks for watching.
@@ZWadePhoto Those Z wildlife lens are the only place you really feel a real weight difference. Those z2.8 Zooms feel just as heavy after 8-9 hours of a wedding and reception shoot as the F mount versions did. Hey the F mount PF lens are lighter and helped make the D500 more popular for wildlife.
@@williambuford6136 It all evens out in the end. For an all day shoot to get the battery power of a DSLR you would have to use a battery grip and/or carry three times as many batteries making the body not that much smaller in the long run. Same with lenses. And keep in mind, more composites (plastics) are used in mirrorless to "try" to save weight, another concern about build longevity.
@@ZWadePhoto I 100% agree. I was just explaining to someone that with mirrorless you still have to carry more batteries for an all day shoot to equal the output power of a DSLR which is significant with maybe a battery grip, and then size and weight is no different
I think the term optical quality has different meaning for different photographers. As I have become older and more experienced I tend to use the term rendering, I am more attracted to the character of a lens than the clinical sharpness that has become mainstream today. I also think rendering has little to do with fast apertures, which were more important in the film days, with todays crazy good high ISO cameras and editing software that can reduce noise and add shallow depth of field 1.2's are not as important. Some of the best lenses of all time were 2.8's to 3.5's because of their character and rendering. ✌✌ Godspeed to all in the New Year
For sure f/1.2 is totally not necessary these days, but Nikon's F/1.2's so far have been of a beautiful rendering breed. They a have an artistic quality to them and since they don't do that in the other lenses, it makes them important to me. I like a "look"
Thanks for swinging by longrider!
@ZWadePhoto ✌️
Any chance you’ve shot the 105 1.4 E on z mount? The faster 105 intrigues me but I know the z mount lens when it comes out will be crazy expensive. I currently have the 105mc and it’s very good, especially with onboard VR, I’d just love a 1.2-1.8 version
I haven't, but if I find someone around here that has one I'd literally pay them cash to let me use it in a video. haha. Everyone I know from TH-cam that adapts it say that it actually function better adapted to a Z9 than it ever did on F mount. I don't know if that applies to Z6ii and Zf though.
I pretty much agree with everything you said and don’t really have anything to add 😂😂😂
I don’t think a z7iii is coming anytime soon.
Z70….. why don’t they just put a 30 meg apsc sensor in the Z6iii body
After the success of the ZF I honestly think that they may surprise everyone with a sexy retro FF Range finder.
I would buy it immediately ❤
I agree with your Z70 comment if it has IBIS and the EN-EL15 batteries, that would be the D500 replacement.
I do think a retro rangefinder style would fly off the shelf. It has cool factor. Thanks for watching!
I think if Nikon improved the initial pickup of a subject, over tracking it from one end of a hockey rink to the other for example, that's all you need. If you track a subject in pro sports you are missing the shot. That is you have to anticipate were the action is going to be. That's why a lot of pros are still using dslrs. Your shot is in milliseconds. If AI focus on Canon R1 is tracking someone with the ball like in basketball or soccer, the focus will be fooled all the time, and miss were the ball and the play is going to be made. All I need is a split second.
I'm glad I never got interested in sports. haha that's a lot of work. Hats off to the folks that do.
Yes, YES and YEEESSS to the Z7iii, differentiated just for landscape photographers and general lolly gagging.
That, I would buy unseen, upon launch!
How about a ZF with the 45MP sensor to replace the Z7iii?
@@williambuford6136 Or this.
I have the current Zf and love it to death!
And don't forget....macro!
I don't want another 45mp, but if the rangefinder had that, that'd be cool. i still want a higher megapixel Z7iii, not a replacement for the whole Z7 line.
I’d love them to put that z9 sensor in a ‘rangefinder’.
Nikon’s FF cameras are a bit heavy compared to the Sony c series, or Fuji APSc models. Maybe a ‘rangefinder’ which used the z9 sensor could lose the shutter assembly and get down under 600g.
I agree with you on the z7 series. Use case for this needs to be resolution without speed. Keep to 45mpix for the z9ii - it’s plenty.
Whatever the Z9ii would be, I won't know, because I'm keeping the Z9 until it quits. lol. with any luck I won't need to replace it until the Z9vi
I can live without a 35mm.
I'm hoping for a 200mm macro and some tilt/shift lenses for product and architecture shooters...🦘
Let's see it Nikon.
I would definitely like a Nikon flat top full frame camera. And there is one full frame lens that is greatly missed in the mirrorless world for me. A 200mm 1:1 (or better) mirrorless designed AF macro lens. That prime currently does not exist on any mirrorless full frame brand. It was the lack of that prime that pushed me into the m43 world when OM Systems released the 90 (2:1) macro.
for the 200, I'd love nikon to beat the industry to it. I want them to lead, not catch up.
Basically agree, except for a D500 replacement. Like you mentioned, Z8/DX fills this purpose perfectly; no need to waste precious resources on this.
A Z7III should be an ultra specialized 80mp landscape / portrait and studio camera for professional commercial photography with limited video capabilities.
A “Zs” Leica style rangefinder will find lots of buyers.
Dream on!
@@johnfromconnecticut Dream on, dream ooon. Dream ooon. Aaaaaaaahhhhhh aaha aaha aaha aaha aaha!!!!
The Z8/DX misses the D500 level in the pricing dept. The Dxxx line prosumer Nikons were always cheaper than the Pro models. The D500 plus the F200-500mm F5.6 was the Gateway drug to the Wildlife lens purchases for Nikon.
Totally agree with you about the 16mm. I'm thinking to buy the viltrox but I still want to wait a bit more, hoping Nikon drops its lens.
We'll see in 2025!
I like your Idea of a "showroom car", a product Nikon doesn't plan on selling much, but draws people to the dealership, so to speak. like a f/2 24-70 or a 200mm f/1.8. Another legendary lens was a f/2.8 180mm Nikon had and make that an f/2. Didn't Nikon eat Canon's lunch at one time with the f series wide primes?
Sometimes you just need an answer for the few, not the majority. Admittedly, that kind of thing generally comes when there is liquidity, production capacity, and consumer needs. We'll see what we get. Thanks for wathcing!
Such a shame that Nikon doesn't have an entry level FF body with the Expeed 7 Processor
@@OnlyCitrus not yet. I’m sure a Z5ii is coming
Z5ii is what I want. My girlfriend is wanting a Nikon full frame, so she can use my lenses. The Z5 is so dated at this point.
If you're a slow shooter the Z5 is still a good choice. I will mention, I think Nikon nailed the Z5 sensor on accident. I like how it renders so much, for so little money, that I don't know if they can do it again. In some ways it renders better than all the other Nikon cameras in all price ranges.
But we do need a version with the AF we're used to with the ZF, 6iii, 8 and 9
It's dated, but probably still the best all-round entry level option of the full frame mirrorless manufacturers, at the moment. If you compare against Canon's R8 for example - which is their current entry level full frame model - it has no AF joystick, one card slot, lower resolution EVF, and poor battery life.
Id love to see a 12 MP FF low light monster
@@NickHey I bet those does days are gone buddy :/
@@ZWadePhoto Hopefully there will be more improvement in sensors for Nikon. They have Reds technology now and who knows what they had on the Drawing board a few years back. Nikon had managed to increase DR and Noise over time with their sensors. BSI was a major brake through. Quantum efficiency improvement has allowed APS-C and Full frame gather more light at a smaller pixel size than the previous generations while allowing a higher megapixel count. Maybe the next generation of Stack Sensor regains the DR that was lost in the current generation.
70-200 f/4S please
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id like to see a brand get serious in regards to security. we walk about with lots of moneys worth of gear and anyone can take it from you. At least have something that can render the device unusable in such case, modern technology, come on
I agree, but I think they will always revert to, "Oh, why not get insurance it's inexpensive."
Which is totally true, I have insurance, but I also need it for my business if someone gets bonked in the head and needs stiches. lol.
I think anything at all would be great, but I also don't think that it will deter anyone. A built in Airtag type thing that is charged by the camera battery and holds a reserve for when powered down and battery removed that links to your phone would be the easiest cheapest solution.
@ I was thinking of maybe an app where I can detonate the equipment once they’re a safe distance away 😳
@ lmfao
Any "security" features are highly unlikely to deter thieves. What are you going to do as they grab your camera and run off down the street? Frantically shout at them "it has a PIN! it's locked!" - they won't know or care. This also adds complexity in the second hand market, what if someone sells you a camera and hasn't removed the security from it - which is already an issue with things like smart phones.
If you get bored, take a look at some reviews of the Fujifilm X-Pro1. I think that sort of hybrid optical/electronic finder could be implemented in the nikon ecosystem to make that retro rangefinder style that would click with a lot of people. The challenge would be packaging. How to get at least an en-el15 battery in there and something resembling dual card slots. Aesthetic could be like the old nikon/contax look, but accept Z-system lenses. That would be a tremendous street and journalism platform.
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Absolutely love my Xpro1. That’s in the never sell bag. In the same never sell bag is my Z8.
The ROI Nikon needs to develop a totally new sensor (Yes...They develop them and Sony produces them) is fairly high. Unless RED has something brewing, we'll be living in 20.9 DX 24MP FX and 47MP FX for some time. I would believe with some of the patents they have for the Hybrid Global Shutter...that may happen on a future Z9 but probably a 3rd iteration and not the Z9II.
I'm ready for Nikon to shake things up again.
70-300 F/4.5-5.6S
Let's see what 2025 brings
I hope for a Z9 II , with pre-capture Raw , Improved viewfinder , and much better AF (Sony / Canon level or better)
Firmware update for Z6 III that adds open gate (and Z9 if possible) , shutter angle , and fix the flickering if possible
35 1.2
That's it.
I suspect Shutter Angle will trickle down to the Z6III, and Z8 for sure sooner than later, as it is just a firmware update.
I hope Nikon can tune the Z6iii flickering shadow noise somewhat in firmware. No way to know if it a chip design issue or firmware issue.
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Seems like a camera that is more needed than any you mentioned would be a Z5II - Nikon really needs an entry level (Sub $2000 - maybe $1500-1800) full frame camera - it could literally be the Zf guts in the Z6III body but with two SD UHSII slots instead of the CF Express.
I think this camera for like $1600 would sell like hot cakes and provide an entry point for the new generation to get into Nikon from the get go. If Nikon could surprise us and put this out for sub $1500 (kinda like how they surprised us with 5500 for the Z9 and 1300 for the Z5) then I think this camera would fly off the shelves and serve to help Nikon retake some of its lost Sony marketshare.
-PD
ZF guts in the Z6III body but with two SD UHSII slots instead of the CF Express. That could be at a $1400 US price point, as nikon would have economy of scale.
@@williambuford6136 That would be even better - at that price it would be best in class for sure!
I'm a big fan of the Z5 and i've advocated for a version ii. At this moment, I feel the 24ish megapixels is kind of saturated, so Is the 45 honestly. I'd like to see something new first (Higher megapixel Z7iii) followed by a Z5ii.
As far as the guts of the ZF and Z6iii, I don't know how they do that for the price that you two suggest without totally cannibalizing Z6iii sales. Zf sales would be ok because it has that retro feel going for it making it a bit more niche. But, I think a ton of people don't use the FPS of the Z6iii. If a Z5ii has 4.5 - 6 FPS, the Z6iii I think gets wacked hard and no way Nikon does that, It's way too new.
I think the only way to do a Z5ii right now for the price suggested, is for Nikon to intentionally throttle it hard. Which I don't want, and people will complain about of course, (even though they don't need any of the features they skimp on lol.)
FPS, video specs, much less rugged build. I just don't know how they do it for sub $1500 without hurting the Z6iii line. If they can, I'm down for it because again, I think the Z5 had a crazy nice rendering sensor and i'm a big fan.
@@ZWadePhoto I understand your concern, but I don't necessarily agree about the cannibalization problem. First, the Zf (although good) is a far inferior video camera to the Z6III. Remember that when the Z cameras launched in 2018, the Z6 was always touted as the best hybrid/video camera of the two options and it was supposed to stay that way in the Z6 line going forward - Z6II was a little better, but Z6III is a monster video camera for these price points - probably the best in class.
Again Z5II would simply not compete head to head in video with the Z6III - which in itself gives enough differentiation to justify the two lines.
Also, the Z6III has taken a DR hit in stills for its partially stacked sensor - although not a bad hit - it is measurable against the Zf, which is simply a better stills camera -at least from a DR perspective.
I agree that Zf will still sell even though it would be more expensive than the proposed Z5II because there is a premium for the retro design and those that want retro simply want it - so I don't see Z5II hurting Zf much.
Finally, there simply needs to be a FF starter camera - $2500 for the Z6III is a fair price for what you get, but is just too expensive for entry level folks. At 1500 or so, the Z5II will bring new blood into the Nikon line and start then out of the gate in the FF (FX) world so that they can start their lens collection right away because they have a clear upgrade path that includes all the lenses etc.
Also, I think such a camera would do very well as many people who might not have bought a 'back up' camera at the $2500 Z6III mark might now be willing to put out 1500 to have a very competent second camera.
With the economies of scale of using the Zf guts and the Z6III body this is really a no-brainer.
-PD
P.S. As far as 24MP goes - yes that is saturated, but there is a reason. This is clearly a sweet spot for resolution but with lower data storage etc - both of these things are perfect for entry level, so I don't see this as an issue at all.
Use fx lenses on dx. No need for F1.2 lenses. F4 general use, F1.8 consumer, F2.8 prosumer, F1.4 pro. When people shoot 1.4 you see the exif never at 1.4. Z7 iii updated for Astro and landscape. People need to rethink how awesome the z7x series is. Z7ii sells like hot cakes in Asia, China and Japan. There are other markets outside of the USA?. Why use dx mode on a mega $$ camera. It’s like buying a v8 and you tick the option to only use 4cyl ever. Stupidity. Use crop in software..
My want to DX is for no other reason other than to satisfy everyone else. I do not use DX cameras or lenses. Especially since the cost of entry to FF is so much lower than in the past. Also, Use the 50 1.2 and 85 1.2 for awhile and come back. It has nothing to do with light gathering ability of 1.2 vs 1.4, it's strictly JUST because those lenses are absolutely gorgeous and bring some artistic feel back into an industry where optical precision sharpness is favored over other qualities that result in more beautiful rendering.
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