Nicely done. That's a HELL of a lot of power going into a cut like that. Hooking 4 works if you're in potato type dirt (clean dirt, no rocks etc), sand, or even hard packed clay. I've been involved in a LOT of triples and occasionally 4 at a time, usually as a middle scraper. You let the guys with less experience lead or push. The reason for that is if you're in the center you have to watch the lead as he starts to pull his can up and make sure your bail is tight before you set your can in the ground. If it's loose and you set in too early, there's a good chance it can get ripped off or snapped in half. There are a lot of little things you learn with experience. I can sit here and type or lecture all day on how to do it but you get good by having your ass in the seat and operating it yourself.
Wow. That's a sight to see. 4 x 657's working so efficiently. They don't fuck around. Hitch, load 1, 2, 3, and 4. Un-hitch 4, 3, and 2. Race off to the fill or stockpile, race back. Rinse and repeat. All day. I'd love to get some seat time in a 657, if it had working air con.
I worked on 657 crew for 9 years and this practice would get all involved fired . The added stress often breaks the bail [what goes over hook] and does stress to goose neck on scrapers. Often this was done with stuck equipment and I've seen up to 6 scrapers hooked together but the bails on rear scrapers just brake. Its beyond design limits of the machine.
657Es are like a pack of animals! Those are the badass scrapers of them all! Had 3412 in front and 3408 in the rear! I had a fun time running these bad boys! To bad cat can't make these anymore, C Acert engines because of environmental reasons! Think only engine meaner than 3412 was the 3508 in the D11N!
WOW !!!!!!!!! These guys are heroes in their own way: both struggling to make a living and help out humanity within their own individual abilities, while often tempting the wrath of nature at the same time. Balls that clank...
Super video! Don't think too many companies would like to see it done with their machines though. Easier to control a tandem push. Still very cool to see though 👍
Ah reminds me in 1897 i believe it was, going up to dump on the fill site and it stalled half way up so being inexperienced and 23 instead of dropping the bowl after the brakes were gone I rode it about 10 yards backwards and then i bailed, it went to the bottom and the tractor Jackknifed and stopped it, i was the only one so I knew nobody was down below, scary stuff for inexperienced operators!
Definitely a quick way to load, but with that much power, it's waay to much strain on the fourth scraper's bale. A hairline crack within an abused bale, (and they all are) and it'll just pull right apart. It happens, but then be prepared to get your butt chewed out by the boss and mechanics. I have years of twin scraper time, and once while on a 657E, I fell in with the 651 spread, and got a few triple D10T pushes which resulted in instant, dirt boiling loads. What a fun time that was!.....
Wish we could have those 657's over here in New Zealand, unfortunately there too heavy when loaded for our ground conditions, we have enough problems with 637's, my boss runs 2 627K_s , 2 627F's & 2 627E scrapers plus 5 740C EJ 6×6 Dump Trucks + 4 Diggers from 336DLME two 323FL
Looks great. But, dollar for dollar you are money ahead to only use these scrapers two together (NOT) four. This is far to much power for the frog and cutting edges to endure in rocky conditions, you can roll the pan back with to much power in rock.
Okay help me just a bit, I have some excavating experience, I don't have much scraper experience, did it once, was allowed to try it for an hour or so with a dozer pushing. I've never seen this, explain the logic here. I suppose the plan is that you don't lower all the scrapers at once? Correct? That way you are either "pushing" or Pulling" with each of the scrapers helping each other out, eliminating a dozer. Obviously it goes #1, then #2, then #3, then #4 or can they work 2 and 2, depends on the soil? A little help with how its done, I would be appreciative to learn.
Tandem scrapers better than quads by any measure. Risk of equipment damage is high with this method. I ran Cat 657 in push-pull operation with the same partner for several companies on several different jobs, in different conditions. We could routinely "lap" other scraper pairs. It was fun! Partner got out of HE due to back issues. Sad day when he left.
@@stevewilson9792 Thanks for sharing Steve, the 2 guys who I ran my 1 day of scrapers with have actually, all 3 of them dead. That leaves only me, the one with no experience. LOL I'm an applications engineer but I used to own a developement company and did lots of excaating. I moved a small hill on my farm once using the scraper back during that time. It was fun to play for ashile. When they let the 12 year old neighbor boy use the D7 and push me he STILL talks about "how cool" those dudes were to let him do that. (He played with farm tractors and Bobcats, etc. so he had a little equipment ability.) Just picture 2 kids playing in the sandbox. My 30 year old ass at the time and his 12 year old butt. The dozer guy was an American Indian as I remember.
Eu acho incríveis essa máquinas. São resultados de muito estudo, muita tecnologia, muita boa vontade e, muito investimento humano e financeiro. Mesmo num mundo com muita fome, pobreza, falta de moradias, desníveis absurdos sociais em muita áreas, eu não deixo de admirar ESSES HOMENS " MULHERES " E ESSAS MÁQUINAS MARAVILHOSAS.
That's a no no in Australia too much damage can be done bale arms ripped off maybe the floor of one of the 57s torn out lotta horsepower loading one Scraper
No where near as effective as tandem push-pulls. Pair of 657 Cats with good operators can move massive amounts of dirt. A lot of time you'll see a big hoe or big shovel loading mining dump trucks these days instead. Some college boy did some "new math" and trucks&shovels(or hoe) more efficient than cans. Not always and not for every job either. A great scraper operator can do thing with his can that defies the law of physics. Mind blowing to watch. Intimidating as heck to try the first time. Big satisfaction when you&your partner did what "THEY" said can't be done
No time saved. Time wasted hooking, unhooking. Crappy cut zone. Hard to manage big rocks as example, rough wash board cuts. I bet they ate a bail every week or two.
last time i was part of something like this was with 2 small 37's . we did it but took like about 3 or 4 tries to master it . lol the ol basterd on the other scraper was miserable as f@#$ hahahah. man! he swore at me till i got it, then never said a word but chose me to do this every time
They'd move more dirt faster it sets of tandems Absolutely no reason for a push-pull pan to ever stop and wait for hookup That's easy loading dirt Time gained in loading doesn't equal the time their spending hooking and to bunched together Not the way these are designed to work !!!
Just bye looking at videos I learn but nothing better then putting in hrs then put me on the money maker tractors there’s always a number 1 and usually they know it and when they acknowledge skill from some one younger it’s only cuz we learned from best and want best n we want to raise price’s and less underground pipe damages cuz damages can be expensive am talking about so dam expensive where the company might not know if to fire you demote you and say what’s going on with skills mandatory excpectations befor u turn on the tractors respect the tractor rule number 1
Yeah..NO. Anyone who has worked heavy equipment will tell you this is less effective, less efficient and harder on equipment than tandems. The whole bunch of them would be fired on the spot by ANY of the companies I worked with long ago...
hooking 4 of these together is grounds for termination in my book, they are designed and built to be only 2 working together, each unit at about 950 HP, each additional unit being in the equation adds more stress to the units, so weak points of each machine is the bail on the front, the hitch or neck, frog ( cutting edges), and rear hook on the back of each machine, it only takes one large stone, to completely tear one of these machines apart and stopping all 4 machines at full throttle will takes 5-10 sec, costing thousands in down times, if maintenance on each unit is not in brand new status, eventually there will be an expensive repair
I run push pull 627's up to 657's. You are so right, 2 together is plenty. You do damage to the pan floors with all this power and overloading. These (Scraper-DRIVERS) should be fired for doing this with these expensive scrapers.
Sandy Joseph It sounds like if you have a youngster in that last machine and they take to big a bite, or catch a big enough rock to stop that machine, something's going to break. The question is, do you get enough extra work done to be worth the risk, and how much does it cost to fix if you pull the hitch out?
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Nicely done. That's a HELL of a lot of power going into a cut like that. Hooking 4 works if you're in potato type dirt (clean dirt, no rocks etc), sand, or even hard packed clay.
I've been involved in a LOT of triples and occasionally 4 at a time, usually as a middle scraper. You let the guys with less experience lead or push. The reason for that is if you're in the center you have to watch the lead as he starts to pull his can up and make sure your bail is tight before you set your can in the ground. If it's loose and you set in too early, there's a good chance it can get ripped off or snapped in half.
There are a lot of little things you learn with experience. I can sit here and type or lecture all day on how to do it but you get good by having your ass in the seat and operating it yourself.
Yep, nothing like honest hard experience!
Been there, done that. You want no slack, as you can break a bale in the process of you get careless.....
No doubt the Tail Scraper Bail gets abused/ Busted with all that power dragging it through regardless
Wow. That's a sight to see. 4 x 657's working so efficiently. They don't fuck around. Hitch, load 1, 2, 3, and 4. Un-hitch 4, 3, and 2. Race off to the fill or stockpile, race back. Rinse and repeat. All day. I'd love to get some seat time in a 657, if it had working air con.
I worked on 657 crew for 9 years and this practice would get all involved fired . The added stress often breaks the bail [what goes over hook] and does stress to goose neck on scrapers. Often this was done with stuck equipment and I've seen up to 6 scrapers hooked together but the bails on rear scrapers just brake. Its beyond design limits of the machine.
OMG! A quad push-pull, that IS a wonderful sight!
WOW! That is really something to see. Four of them working together as one. Awesome!
Khr
SmokeStack_684 it would take four experienced operators do that
657Es are like a pack of animals! Those are the badass scrapers of them all! Had 3412 in front and 3408 in the rear! I had a fun time running these bad boys! To bad cat can't make these anymore, C Acert engines because of environmental reasons! Think only engine meaner than 3412 was the 3508 in the D11N!
Wow ,good scraper operators are hard to find . Nice work
갛1
They are hard too find coz no one gets trained up
WOW !!!!!!!!! These guys are heroes in their own way: both struggling to make a living and help out humanity within their own individual abilities, while often tempting the wrath of nature at the same time.
Balls that clank...
Super video! Don't think too many companies would like to see it done with their machines though. Easier to control a tandem push. Still very cool to see though 👍
That’s quality operators..
Well done 👍🏻..
Ah reminds me in 1897 i believe it was, going up to dump on the fill site and it stalled half way up so being inexperienced and 23 instead of dropping the bowl after the brakes were gone I rode it about 10 yards backwards and then i bailed, it went to the bottom and the tractor Jackknifed and stopped it, i was the only one so I knew nobody was down below, scary stuff for inexperienced operators!
4,000 HP will fill up those cans quickly!! Very cool!
some one let that first scraper know you dont stop in a cut ! KIDS muu !!!
We had 10 hitched together when no bosses were around lol
Holly smokes...Why do you guys do this?...plz explain...thnx
LOL
Alotta grunt there hooked up to terrafirma moving mother earth. love it
Definitely a quick way to load, but with that much power, it's waay to much strain on the fourth scraper's bale. A hairline crack within an abused bale, (and they all are) and it'll just pull right apart. It happens, but then be prepared to get your butt chewed out by the boss and mechanics. I have years of twin scraper time, and once while on a 657E, I fell in with the 651 spread, and got a few triple D10T pushes which resulted in instant, dirt boiling loads. What a fun time that was!.....
At least the fourth one had the balls to hookup while they were moving.
Wish we could have those 657's over here in New Zealand, unfortunately there too heavy when loaded for our ground conditions, we have enough problems with 637's, my boss runs 2 627K_s , 2 627F's & 2 627E scrapers plus 5 740C EJ 6×6 Dump Trucks + 4 Diggers from 336DLME two 323FL
Looks great. But, dollar for dollar you are money ahead to only use these scrapers two together (NOT) four. This is far to much power for the frog and cutting edges to endure in rocky conditions, you can roll the pan back with to much power in rock.
Okay help me just a bit, I have some excavating experience, I don't have much scraper experience, did it once, was allowed to try it for an hour or so with a dozer pushing. I've never seen this, explain the logic here. I suppose the plan is that you don't lower all the scrapers at once? Correct? That way you are either "pushing" or Pulling" with each of the scrapers helping each other out, eliminating a dozer. Obviously it goes #1, then #2, then #3, then #4 or can they work 2 and 2, depends on the soil? A little help with how its done, I would be appreciative to learn.
Tandem scrapers better than quads by any measure. Risk of equipment damage is high with this method. I ran Cat 657 in push-pull operation with the same partner for several companies on several different jobs, in different conditions. We could routinely "lap" other scraper pairs. It was fun! Partner got out of HE due to back issues. Sad day when he left.
Look at SoCal Earthmovers here on TH-cam. Best HE videos
@@stevewilson9792 Thanks for sharing Steve, the 2 guys who I ran my 1 day of scrapers with have actually, all 3 of them dead. That leaves only me, the one with no experience. LOL I'm an applications engineer but I used to own a developement company and did lots of excaating. I moved a small hill on my farm once using the scraper back during that time. It was fun to play for ashile. When they let the 12 year old neighbor boy use the D7 and push me he STILL talks about "how cool" those dudes were to let him do that. (He played with farm tractors and Bobcats, etc. so he had a little equipment ability.) Just picture 2 kids playing in the sandbox. My 30 year old ass at the time and his 12 year old butt. The dozer guy was an American Indian as I remember.
Only one is loading at a time watch for the cushion hitch to come up lower cutting edges into the cut taking up the level the last Scraper left
Ain't nothing stopping that train!
Looked like the constructicons about to form devastator
Awesome video.
Even though all we had was the 621b in the service I loved operating pans
That’s all she’s got Captain.
Parabéns amigo serviço top de mais um abraço do Cowboy o rei do enrocamento
this only works so well because the soil is light and sandy
THAT is a LOT OF HOSEPOWER!!!................and a LOT OF CATS!
Is this the Prairie road builders
Miss them dam thing but the one I was in was a open cab
Very nice!
Alot of horsepower loading one Scraper
Eu acho incríveis essa máquinas. São resultados de muito estudo, muita tecnologia, muita boa vontade e, muito investimento humano e financeiro. Mesmo num mundo com muita fome, pobreza, falta de moradias, desníveis absurdos sociais em muita áreas, eu não deixo de admirar ESSES HOMENS " MULHERES " E ESSAS MÁQUINAS MARAVILHOSAS.
this looks to fun to be getting paid doing it
That's a no no in Australia too much damage can be done bale arms ripped off maybe the floor of one of the 57s torn out lotta horsepower loading one Scraper
impressive! Where is that at what kind of earthmoving project?
its a road job
Quad push not advisable no more than two hooked up four you can rip a floor out lose cutting edge s rip out bail arms etc etc
Is this more efficient than 2 tandem loads?
No where near as effective as tandem push-pulls. Pair of 657 Cats with good operators can move massive amounts of dirt. A lot of time you'll see a big hoe or big shovel loading mining dump trucks these days instead. Some college boy did some "new math" and trucks&shovels(or hoe) more efficient than cans. Not always and not for every job either. A great scraper operator can do thing with his can that defies the law of physics. Mind blowing to watch. Intimidating as heck to try the first time. Big satisfaction when you&your partner did what "THEY" said can't be done
@@stevewilson9792 no
Pretty Dogg-Gone, good 4Sure .
И как они понимают что первый наполнился апотом второй?
Ускоряется..!
Cat does not recommend this.
decent operators load em selves and saves time and strain on the tractor
T Bucket what??this is the stupid thing I’ve ever heard.
Yeh and fuck all the tires
No time saved. Time wasted hooking, unhooking. Crappy cut zone. Hard to manage big rocks as example, rough wash board cuts. I bet they ate a bail every week or two.
And a couple in the back decide to slam on the brakes and take a lunch break and we will see just how metal break's!!! And where it break's!!!
Like 👍👍👍
Where are the women's comments?
last time i was part of something like this was with 2 small 37's . we did it but took like about 3 or 4 tries to master it . lol the ol basterd on the other scraper was miserable as f@#$ hahahah. man! he swore at me till i got it, then never said a word but chose me to do this every time
Hi. Do you need some operator? Great video! Thank's.
we did 12 at once for a day for news cameras...
Uriel Salas hopefully it was dry ground lmao
Hmmmm it was looked as a long and powerful Caterpillar or Tremors eating soil in smooth way...
How to snap a scraper in half...
Yardımlaşma çok iyi 👍
Show show 🚜
Cool
Screams and panic?
They'd move more dirt faster it sets of tandems
Absolutely no reason for a push-pull pan to ever stop and wait for hookup
That's easy loading dirt
Time gained in loading doesn't equal the time their spending hooking and to bunched together
Not the way these are designed to work !!!
Just bye looking at videos I learn but nothing better then putting in hrs then put me on the money maker tractors there’s always a number 1 and usually they know it and when they acknowledge skill from some one younger it’s only cuz we learned from best and want best n we want to raise price’s and less underground pipe damages cuz damages can be expensive am talking about so dam expensive where the company might not know if to fire you demote you and say what’s going on with skills mandatory excpectations befor u turn on the tractors respect the tractor rule number 1
Yeah..NO. Anyone who has worked heavy equipment will tell you this is less effective, less efficient and harder on equipment than tandems. The whole bunch of them would be fired on the spot by ANY of the companies I worked with long ago...
When I get home from work and the wife asks me what I did at work today “I had a foursome”
Or a gangbang
Maximum Hardcore kids read this-not good!
That's Smart
Prairie Ron production
Ці трактори працювали на ГОКоРІ в 1990 р
Awesome
Wow Wow nice
i did a 2 machine pull and push and snapped the swan neck ups
hooking 4 of these together is grounds for termination in my book, they are designed and built to be only 2 working together, each unit at about 950 HP, each additional unit being in the equation adds more stress to the units, so weak points of each machine is the bail on the front, the hitch or neck, frog ( cutting edges), and rear hook on the back of each machine, it only takes one large stone, to completely tear one of these machines apart and stopping all 4 machines at full throttle will takes 5-10 sec, costing thousands in down times, if maintenance on each unit is not in brand new status, eventually there will be an expensive repair
I run push pull 627's up to 657's. You are so right, 2 together is plenty. You do damage to the pan floors with all this power and overloading. These (Scraper-DRIVERS) should be fired for doing this with these expensive scrapers.
@@mhoff5777 EXACTLY. shit can 'em right now!
Stop for tag-up? Hahaha
se llama un tornapull aqui y en china jajajaj
Why4?
use dozer!
@The TacomaKid yeah, but, i'm not sure!
😀😀😀
Let em eat
Looks like prairie rd
that is prairie is see a few familiar buggies
Sitting in s62 as we speak
I'd can all 4 scraper drivers
Sandy Joseph Why, I don't know anything about moving earth, I thought it looked like great team work, is it to hard the machines or something?
You can pull the hitch out of the rear machines
Sandy Joseph No it wont, we run quad push pull all night with no issues on the machines at all, Just dont fucking gouge it and your good.
Key word don't gouge and stay out of the rock
Sandy Joseph
It sounds like if you have a youngster in that last machine and they
take to big a bite, or catch a big enough rock to stop that machine,
something's going to break.
The question is, do you get enough extra work done to be worth the risk, and how much does it cost to fix if you pull the hitch out?
Evos
That is just pathetic.
Not one operator on the job !
like Stuart of Mad TV "look what I can do." lame all the way around.
Thanks
Awesome video