I noticed with my REL Predators that they roll off fast at the low end below 30hz and on the high end above 80hz just like your 1205 MK2 measurements. I'm now switching to dual KEF KF92 which are flat down to 10hz and also go out to 120hz on the high end so they blend seamlessly with the speaker crossover. 😎
What happen to the m&k subwoofer? Still waiting on a review to see if it’s worth over a d15s (single driver)or d212s (dual) since they all are the same price
I bought x2 predator HT1510 love em every movie I watch is insane getting some rattles in corner of my wall and my door need to figure out how to fix these.
One of the better sub reviews that I have seen very helpful. I have a ASW 2000 from Bowers from 20 years ago and it does rumble awfully well, it's a massive subwoofer. Also have a Bowers 802 D3. And I wonder if the sharp crisp subwoofer offerings from a new subwoofer would be worth pursuing although maybe the older sub that I have is more than adequate. I only have it turned up to 20% on the volume. Maybe I should extend the crossover from my main speakers Down to say 50 hz to pick up any crisp lower frequencies and overlap into the sub territory, and maybe help out the sub if it's deficient in these areas. The subwoofer is all about lower frequency stuff which I'm not sure is all that important to get with great precision maybe my older asw 2000 is not worth upgrading. It's in good condition so maybe I'll keep it
B&W ASW2000 ? WOW, This reminded me about almost 30 years ago, I owned not just 1, but 3 of these subwoofers. They are beautiful to look at. I had one in my bedroom and I loved it so much I bought 2 more. The only problem I had at that time was I was a single guy, I had no house of my own, so I could not bring those 2 subs into my bedroom, I eventually sold all 3 of them. Nowadays I also own 3 subwoofers in my living room, one is JTR RS2 and the others are M&K subs. I still miss those B&W subs.
@@stevehoang5289 amazing, and maybe crazy to Own three 2000s. How do you Think it compares to newer subwoofers. I don't really have a chance to listen to many subwoofers these days.
@I am puzzleman , well, at the time I owned the B&W subs, I shared the room with a family, so I could not turn the whole system loud enough to enjoy it, but one time when I found no one was at home, I turned it loud enough and My God, it shook the whole 5 bedroom house, I was so scared I had to turn it down, and I am only talking about a single B&W sub. Now I am lucky enough to own a JTR RS2 subwoofer, I heard people used to call this an End Game subwoofer. For a simple comparison, all I can say is you used to drive a Corvette in the past and now you are driving a Ferrari or Lamborghini , the bass is super solid and punchy, it hit you right in the face, and when a single digit frequency is called for, you felt it hard in your chest, some things that I never felt with the B&W sub. Like I said before, I still love the B&W subs, you know one time I even consider buying the B&W DB1 sub, but it just never happened. BTW, my first subwoofer I used some 35 years ago was A/D/S MS3, I loved it too.
We must have the same room because my measurements look identical. tbh Had I seen these measurements I'm not sure I would have bought this sub because as you can see it's far from linear and doesn't integrate well with speakers that need crossovers higher than 80 (and even then 60 or 70 is better). However it actually sounds far better than those measurements suggest especially for music which was a big consideration for me. Still wondering if I should have just gone with a Rythmik L12.
It is remarkable that you remember the sound of the mk I when you reviewed then 2 years ago and be able to draw conclusion against mk II now that you review those. I wish I could hear like that.
@@therealshanelee ah ok. Thanks for replaying. I pulled the trigger on two ht1205 thanks to your reviews. just as we speak I will compare the two new ht1205 vs two pb2000 that I have running in my HT. No measurement no nothing just 👂 wish me luck lol. My intention is two run the HT’s with a two channel music set up but I am curious to try them movie watching!
@@erikcarpio1956 I like the HT 1205 the best for all around sound make sure you break them in the sound does get a little deeper and better after three or four days. I thought the real subwoofer stop and start faster PB2000 add more clarity.
would like some feed back............pairing this with a 20 yr old def tech 15in that is still amazing............how do you all feel about offsetting subs
I love my new dual REL ht1205mk2 subwoofers. I am running them in a 2 channel setup with Bi amped JBL HDI 1600 bookshelf speakers, powered by Marantz stereo 70s. I tried my brothers dual SVS sb 2000 pro subwoofers in my exact setup and was impressed with the extension of the SVS, and the sound quality was still quite good. There is a point where the svs subs would make driver noise when trying to play low bass in music around normal listening levels. I tried turning the room gain feature on the subs to remove some of the infrasonics. RG takes away too much of the extension for my liking. So either too much extension and driver noise, or not enough extension. I think they need to add more gradual steps to the RG feature to fix this. The issue with the SVS is always turning volume down when drivers sound strained on certain songs or movie scenes at reasonable volumes. The Ht1205mk2's sound natural and still have great extension. There is less infrasonic extension but the overall effortless deep bass these produce is addictive. Clear detail at any volume I have tested, I haven't had any driver noise just pounding bass in my room. I also have a Monolith 16, which has too much infrasonics and rattles everything, but is amazing for movies and music with insanely clean output and seat shaking authority that will impress anyone.
@@roybrolsbeak I ended up with the Rel T9x which I like. I also had the Rel 1205 mk II for a while but returned it because I wanted something that would be good for music long term even if I upgrade speakers. If I was building a system with movies as the 1st priority I would pick the 1205 mk II. I like the Rel T9x because it's extremely good at blending in with speakers. The 1205 mk II is good too but I think it makes the bass section slightly overly prominent in music which isn't necessarily bad depending on your taste. I do like the T9x & I think I made the best choice for me but sometimes miss the fun of the 1205 mk II.
Also, if you can, grab the Blu-ray of “12 STRONG”, starring Chris Hemsworth, Michael Shannon, & Michael Pena). Audio is DtsHDMA 5.1 & it Absolutely Slams!! Tons of Action, Explosions, Gunfire, Helicopter Gunships, etc. It’s one of my recent go to Demo Discs. Trust Me.
@@therealshanelee there loaners he used to work at best buy. ( seen him there few years back) before he started getting free loaners from robert. stop fronting like you have money! you and the big fat dummy hang around like bugs and leaches. at robert’s.people are not dumb.
@@munisekharchintamani9501 I have owned many subs. I am currently running all Rythmik subs. The HT-1205's are good subs if you get a large discount. I liked the MKII subs a bit better but the price on them is a bit too high.
Run a simple test, just a 20 Hz tone at same volume through both subs, Mk1 can be heard rather well, and I can barely hear MK2. REL has clearly messed up MK2 version.
I just ordered a pair of the old mk1's for a really good discount. If they were hard to choose between at the normal price I figured the mk1 at $449 is a no brainer. I have DIRAC on my receiver so I'm hoping to be able to fix some of the upper response, fingers crossed. If not I'm sure a miniDSP would do the trick but I don't currently own one. I'm not exactly made of money so honestly I was just happy to be able to upgrade from my Klipsch R120SW to something more serious. Thanks for this excellently put together video with the frequency charts, it helped me make my decision.
@@AdamSmith-fe9jf they blew out all their old stock of the mk1 version when they released the mk2. I was just lucky to be in the market for subs at the right time
@@Deadite8593 Oh, nice! The Mark II is currently on sale and I need one so going to have to pick that one up, even though it’s not nearly as enticing of a deal as what you got.
So to keep the piece down they drop the high level ins? I guess even they think that it's not as important as say a high gloss finish. So much for the raison d'etre feature eh?
Eh, regardless whether you believe their reasoning for the high-level inputs in the first place, not worrying about it for a home-theater focused product makes perfect sense. HT = surround processing = bass management and dedicated LFE output.
I might like these for 2 channel room. Do you feel that sealed works bette for music than ported? .. I have to think most subs are quite capable fo both these days. ( except out the the high end range) Thoughts?
@Shane Lee Great review as always, the editing is getting like TV quality truly impressive. Question if you have time to answer should I buy 4 Rel 1205 M2 in 4 corners? Or 2 Rel 1505 M2 up front? That's my budget for subs it's not a too big room.
hey, short question: have space for only one sub in my living room (37 m2) for my 5.1 monitor audio bronze set. 90% HT, 10% music. do you recommend one rel ht1205 v1 or one rel ht1508? regards
@@cainification Over long cable runs XLR offers better performance. I grabbed one of these to use at the computer, where the distance from preamp to subwoofer is short enough it shouldn't really matter.
any thoughts on SVS SB3000 compared to the REL 1205 Mk2? I prefer Fury as comparison movie ... LOVE those machine guns and tanks firing...
I noticed with my REL Predators that they roll off fast at the low end below 30hz and on the high end above 80hz just like your 1205 MK2 measurements. I'm now switching to dual KEF KF92 which are flat down to 10hz and also go out to 120hz on the high end so they blend seamlessly with the speaker crossover. 😎
Do they role off In the room?
You need real subs with equalizers
@@juanbaclavab like what
@@juanbaclavabno he just needs to tune right
I'm having a hard time deciding between this, and the rsl speedwoofer mkii
I have a pair of the HT1510s in my room. I think they sound good but do wish they went a little lower.
Thank goodness they removed all of the obnoxious REL logos on these new versions.
What happen to the m&k subwoofer? Still waiting on a review to see if it’s worth over a d15s (single driver)or d212s (dual) since they all are the same price
I bought x2 predator HT1510 love em every movie I watch is insane getting some rattles in corner of my wall and my door need to figure out how to fix these.
How would it compare to SVS?
One of the better sub reviews that I have seen very helpful. I have a ASW 2000 from Bowers from 20 years ago and it does rumble awfully well, it's a massive subwoofer. Also have a Bowers 802 D3. And I wonder if the sharp crisp subwoofer offerings from a new subwoofer would be worth pursuing although maybe the older sub that I have is more than adequate. I only have it turned up to 20% on the volume.
Maybe I should extend the crossover from my main speakers Down to say 50 hz to pick up any crisp lower frequencies and overlap into the sub territory, and maybe help out the sub if it's deficient in these areas.
The subwoofer is all about lower frequency stuff which I'm not sure is all that important to get with great precision maybe my older asw 2000 is not worth upgrading. It's in good condition so maybe I'll keep it
B&W ASW2000 ? WOW, This reminded me about almost 30 years ago, I owned not just 1, but 3 of these subwoofers. They are beautiful to look at.
I had one in my bedroom and I loved it so much I bought 2 more. The only problem I had at that time was I was a single guy, I had no house of my own, so I could not bring those 2 subs into my bedroom, I eventually sold all 3 of them.
Nowadays I also own 3 subwoofers in my living room, one is JTR RS2 and the others are M&K subs. I still miss those B&W subs.
@@stevehoang5289 amazing, and maybe crazy to Own three 2000s. How do you Think it compares to newer subwoofers. I don't really have a chance to listen to many subwoofers these days.
@I am puzzleman , well, at the time I owned the B&W subs, I shared the room with a family, so I could not turn the whole system loud enough to enjoy it, but one time when I found no one was at home, I turned it loud enough and My God, it shook the whole 5 bedroom house, I was so scared I had to turn it down, and I am only talking about a single B&W sub.
Now I am lucky enough to own a JTR RS2 subwoofer, I heard people used to call this an End Game subwoofer.
For a simple comparison, all I can say is you used to drive a Corvette in the past and now you are driving a Ferrari or Lamborghini , the bass is super solid and punchy, it hit you right in the face, and when a single digit frequency is called for, you felt it hard in your chest, some things that I never felt with the B&W sub.
Like I said before, I still love the B&W subs, you know one time I even consider buying the B&W DB1 sub, but it just never happened.
BTW, my first subwoofer I used some 35 years ago was A/D/S MS3, I loved it too.
Great review Shane. Thanks for your work.
I forgot about war of the worlds. I need to pick up that 4k.
Stick with the standard blu-ray version as the 4K has noticeably less bass extension. There are a few videos about it on TH-cam.
We must have the same room because my measurements look identical. tbh Had I seen these measurements I'm not sure I would have bought this sub because as you can see it's far from linear and doesn't integrate well with speakers that need crossovers higher than 80 (and even then 60 or 70 is better). However it actually sounds far better than those measurements suggest especially for music which was a big consideration for me. Still wondering if I should have just gone with a Rythmik L12.
What happened to the PSA sub review?
I just bought a second Mark 1 from Upscale Audio for $599. Two is better than one.
I am getting it for 450. New.
@@MOAB-UT where?
Do u think that the rel ht 1205 mk2 is even better than the xtz cinema 1×12 edge sub ?.
It is remarkable that you remember the sound of the mk I when you reviewed then 2 years ago and be able to draw conclusion against mk II now that you review those.
I wish I could hear like that.
I have both on hand. But thanks for the comment.
@@therealshanelee ah ok. Thanks for replaying. I pulled the trigger on two ht1205 thanks to your reviews. just as we speak I will compare the two new ht1205 vs two pb2000 that I have running in my HT. No measurement no nothing just 👂 wish me luck lol. My intention is two run the HT’s with a two channel music set up but I am curious to try them movie watching!
@@erikcarpio1956 I like the HT 1205 the best for all around sound make sure you break them in the sound does get a little deeper and better after three or four days. I thought the real subwoofer stop and start faster PB2000 add more clarity.
@@gregorybond2859 thanks for replaying. I noticed it is faster, yes. Do you think the cable makes a diferente?
how do you break in a new rel sub in right manner?
Which speakers were used in your main LCR?
Ultimately explained bro.... Superb
would like some feed back............pairing this with a 20 yr old def tech 15in that is still amazing............how do you all feel about offsetting subs
I love my new dual REL ht1205mk2 subwoofers. I am running them in a 2 channel setup with Bi amped JBL HDI 1600 bookshelf speakers, powered by Marantz stereo 70s. I tried my brothers dual SVS sb 2000 pro subwoofers in my exact setup and was impressed with the extension of the SVS, and the sound quality was still quite good. There is a point where the svs subs would make driver noise when trying to play low bass in music around normal listening levels. I tried turning the room gain feature on the subs to remove some of the infrasonics. RG takes away too much of the extension for my liking. So either too much extension and driver noise, or not enough extension. I think they need to add more gradual steps to the RG feature to fix this. The issue with the SVS is always turning volume down when drivers sound strained on certain songs or movie scenes at reasonable volumes. The Ht1205mk2's sound natural and still have great extension. There is less infrasonic extension but the overall effortless deep bass these produce is addictive. Clear detail at any volume I have tested, I haven't had any driver noise just pounding bass in my room. I also have a Monolith 16, which has too much infrasonics and rattles everything, but is amazing for movies and music with insanely clean output and seat shaking authority that will impress anyone.
Thanks for unboxing
Część . Mam Yamahę RX v671i RELa HT1205MKll . Powiedz proszę jak to polonczyc
How do these compare to the svs sb3000 for music and movies? I’m buying a sub very soon.
What did you pick
@@roybrolsbeak I ended up with the Rel T9x which I like. I also had the Rel 1205 mk II for a while but returned it because I wanted something that would be good for music long term even if I upgrade speakers. If I was building a system with movies as the 1st priority I would pick the 1205 mk II. I like the Rel T9x because it's extremely good at blending in with speakers. The 1205 mk II is good too but I think it makes the bass section slightly overly prominent in music which isn't necessarily bad depending on your taste. I do like the T9x & I think I made the best choice for me but sometimes miss the fun of the 1205 mk II.
@@Kami84 thanks kami that really helps. There is not so much info on the 1205 on the internet so its nice to hear the experience.
my sub 🤠
hey, please advice:
HT1205 Mk1 480€ vs HT1205 Mk2 800€? thx
I can grab a new HT1205 with full warranty for $450. Is this a good deal?
Better 2x Rel Ht1205.Verry god.
@@ekiquantameki7701 I got it yesterday and it sounds pretty good overall. Is there any benefit to hooking up to both RCA terminals?
Nice!!!!
Also, if you can, grab the Blu-ray of “12 STRONG”, starring Chris Hemsworth, Michael Shannon, & Michael Pena). Audio is DtsHDMA 5.1 & it Absolutely Slams!! Tons of Action, Explosions, Gunfire, Helicopter Gunships, etc. It’s one of my recent go to Demo Discs. Trust Me.
What ever happened to the Mk x15+ review….did you ruin the sub 😂
He mostly gets his free stuff from robert at that high end store from new york!it’s always easier to recommend free $hit!
@@oneinthepink2inthestink320 yeah he gives me free $hit to keep all the time cause he can afford it. You one of the smart ones huh.
@@oneinthepink2inthestink320 jealous hater says what😂🤣😅
@@oneinthepink2inthestink320 always easier to make silly comments than make interesting and informative AV content
@@therealshanelee there loaners he used to work at best buy. ( seen him there few years back) before he started getting free loaners from robert. stop fronting like you have money! you and the big fat dummy hang around like bugs and leaches. at robert’s.people are not dumb.
REL HT1205 or SVS SB3000? thanks
Svs 3000.
only for $ 1000 you will buy two Rel Ht1205 which will be not only cheaper but also better than Svs sb3000
@@ekiquantameki7701 thanks
I’m glad you used the Blu-ray of WOTW & not the 4K (where they obviously subdued the LFE). I have the original DVD as well, & It Sounds incredible)
Nice review! The shaky cam and auto-focus issues during the unboxing were very distracting. Would be better with a tripod and some B-roll cut in.
Xtz Cinema sub 1x12 edge vs rel ht 1205 mk2.?.
Tron has a ton of low frequencies throughout the film
What volume were you playing at in this demo?
Great comparison on the MK.II vs Original (I have x3), you nailed the explaination on the differences, very clear.
@JPWinters Do you like 3 Rel HT-1205 originals. I am planning to get 3.
@@munisekharchintamani9501 I have owned many subs. I am currently running all Rythmik subs. The HT-1205's are good subs if you get a large discount. I liked the MKII subs a bit better but the price on them is a bit too high.
Is that measurement, 103dB at 50HZ, the maximum output of the HT1205MK2 subwoofer? That would be enough...
Weak. See Arendal 1961 1S or 1V
Run a simple test, just a 20 Hz tone at same volume through both subs, Mk1 can be heard rather well, and I can barely hear MK2. REL has clearly messed up MK2 version.
ok buddy
I just ordered a pair of the old mk1's for a really good discount. If they were hard to choose between at the normal price I figured the mk1 at $449 is a no brainer. I have DIRAC on my receiver so I'm hoping to be able to fix some of the upper response, fingers crossed. If not I'm sure a miniDSP would do the trick but I don't currently own one. I'm not exactly made of money so honestly I was just happy to be able to upgrade from my Klipsch R120SW to something more serious. Thanks for this excellently put together video with the frequency charts, it helped me make my decision.
Woah, where’d you get that kind of a deal on those subs?
@@AdamSmith-fe9jf they blew out all their old stock of the mk1 version when they released the mk2. I was just lucky to be in the market for subs at the right time
@@Deadite8593 Oh, nice! The Mark II is currently on sale and I need one so going to have to pick that one up, even though it’s not nearly as enticing of a deal as what you got.
@@AdamSmith-fe9jf a deal is still a deal, I think you'll be super happy with it
@@Deadite8593 Yeah, thanks. I’m sure I will too considering so many people have recommended it so highly. Hopefully you have been enjoying your set.
So to keep the piece down they drop the high level ins? I guess even they think that it's not as important as say a high gloss finish. So much for the raison d'etre feature eh?
Eh, regardless whether you believe their reasoning for the high-level inputs in the first place, not worrying about it for a home-theater focused product makes perfect sense. HT = surround processing = bass management and dedicated LFE output.
I might like these for 2 channel room. Do you feel that sealed works bette for music than ported? .. I have to think most subs are quite capable fo both these days. ( except out the the high end range) Thoughts?
Im a fan of sealed.
Go to the S line… you never ever missed any bass in movie and great for music!
@Shane Lee Great review as always, the editing is getting like TV quality truly impressive.
Question if you have time to answer should I buy 4 Rel 1205 M2 in 4 corners? Or 2 Rel 1505 M2 up front? That's my budget for subs it's not a too big room.
@@Cybertron-cs7sk get 4.
@Shane Lee thanks bud.
hey, short question:
have space for only one sub in my living room (37 m2) for my 5.1 monitor audio bronze set. 90% HT, 10% music.
do you recommend one rel ht1205 v1 or one rel ht1508?
regards
1508
@Shane Lee your opinion?
@@yeah_buddy_1994 No I tried them out 1508
is the better sub.
in which areas compared to 1205? so the more-than-double price is worth it?
Get dual smaller subs, you will like it better than 1 large@@yeah_buddy_1994
no XLR inputs?
Pass.
Do they really make that much of a difference? I've been on journey lately learning about all this stuff
@@cainification Over long cable runs XLR offers better performance. I grabbed one of these to use at the computer, where the distance from preamp to subwoofer is short enough it shouldn't really matter.