Question about the talent build, would 6% spell reduction over imp tclap be beneficial for this fight or is the reduction negligent compared to the reduced swing speed of imp tclap?
Thanks for the indepth discussion. I'm going to have our tanks go full resist for the 1st week just to teach my raid a lesson about managing their threat ;p
@WarriorTSW have you been able to successfully solo tank Hydross as a bear in TBC Classic? Our warrior wants to drop from our raid group and we will potentially replace with a 2nd Paladin, leaving me (the bear) wonder if I need to try to solo tank Hydross, or have the 2 paladin tanks swap each phase (not sure if a paladin can tank nature)?
Hi. I havent tried. But it is technically possible. Im not sure I would recommend it. If you had 174 of both Nature and Frost Resistance you wouldnt die to hydross. But your gear would be heavily compromised in terms of threat/crit immunity. So your healers would need to be fast and dps respect your threat - particularly on the pull. There are some great resist trinkets that can be used if you wish rely on their on use effect to reach 174. Such as Loatheb's Reflection for 53 resist for 20 seconds. So you could be 121 buffed. so 51 unbuffed of one of the resistances which is nice. Then for the last 20 seconds of the phase pop the on use. Also from AQ you have Petrified Scarab which gives 100 resist but loses 10 every time youre hit. So use it depending on how many hits you expect with how much resistance you have with about a 1.6 sec attack speed from Hydross. 10-20 sec I would expect. Long term, the trinkets are the way to go. Best of luck. Let me know how its goes :)
Does the resistance only come in discrete steps (I believe that's the correct way of phrasing it)? Meaning any resistance value between 244 and 365 would count as 244? Or is it continuous?
Hi, no. Check the link in the description for Royalgiraffe's github post. And read the "Mitigation value per point of resistance" portion. Rember when specific resist values are mentioned, its for level 60.
@@kasper3246 the interpolation between the resistance breakpoints (that look like the only points on the graph) is in fact linear, so you can choose any point on the horizontal axis and read off accurate resist numbers. The reason they look that way is because that's when the game starts displaying 'poor' 'fair' 'good' and so on on your resistance stat on the character screen, and each range uses a different (linear) formula for each level of partial resist.
Great video, thanks! One question, I thought (melee) crit reduction would be useless since hydross does magic dmg? Or is it just that it cannot crush/be blocked?
Found the answer to my own question, so ignore it :) "Hydross deals magic melee damage, which can miss, be dodged, parried, partially resisted, but not blocked (so don't bother using Shield Block). Note that he can also crit (but not deal crushing blows), so the tanks should wear resistance items, but still have enough defense to avoid crits."
How much resistance you run very much depends on your raid. I would not suggest getting capped on res, prio crit immunity and 6% hit(+imp ff). My stats as a prot for hydross on our premiere run(we did not run ptr) was 300 FR buffed, hit/critcap and around 14,2k hp unbuffed. Did not take any insane amount of damage
I currently have 364 frost resistance. How much of a bad thing is that 1 missing frost resistance? Should I spent gold to buy some enchant or am I okay?
Would be curious to see some gear sets for both frost side tanking and nature. I think for instance my guild was planning on having a bear MT frost side first using the Naxx Polar resist gear to hit cap and having a pally or warrior tank nature while only two phasing the boss with no add tank via banishes.
Hi, I've had lots of people submit their gear setups to me for Hydross and when I offer criticism I'm often told they don't have access to the items so I would rather explain the benefits and risk of different kinds of gearing. And players choose what's best for them. But generally to answer your question, pvp gear, dps gear and resistance gear :)
@@WarriorTSW yeah that makes sense for sure. Do you think there’s general a bear practice or which tank should tank which phase? Or can all three tanks handle both sides perfectly fine? I was under impression bears would struggle to get high nature resist but are able to achieve high frost due to the naxx resist crafted items. That being said as you mentioned in the video, going for compete max resist probably isn’t worth compared to the balanced approach.
@@Juggs_WoW T4 helm shoulders pendent of thawing strands mystic sheen, 3pc heavy clefthoof, pvp bracers, wastewalker gloves, frost protection belt, natural ward frozen eye smoking heart of the mountain, loathebs reflection, all gemmed and enchanted for resistance except legs that have 40 stamina and earthwarden for weapon(gladiator maul is ok alternative) and gladiator resolve for idol, flask of chromatic resistance, due to ther 70 variations not in game yet, then prolly will use hit food despite being 10 resist lower than ptr because of that flask variance
You can get away without any. If you do drop low you or anyone else can stun them. War Stomp works well. Of course you can wear a little if you feel unsafe
My dude even your Excel file proves there's a high chance the boss will kill you since you don't seem to incorporate possiblity to be parried by Hydross. In that small window when you go down to 3k life, if you cause him to parryhaste, you're dead.
@@clarkj3396 Yeah the values in his Excel are way off. Any geared healer can do around 1k hps for multiple minutes. With just 5 healers in raid the expected healing per second shouldn be 50% higher than he proposed.
It's easy to tell dps to not use dots than it is to have healers heal more... 350 fully buffed is the smart move, I am doing 330 fully buffed of both resistances and solo tanking hydross as a feral and have not had a wipe due to threat yet(460 resistance from gear which means full dad gear and guarantee you will find many logs with wipes with people under 300 resist than over( and that is the case warcraft logs can show you so dont go using math and making claims when we have real data that shows the opposite
Question about the talent build, would 6% spell reduction over imp tclap be beneficial for this fight or is the reduction negligent compared to the reduced swing speed of imp tclap?
Thanks for the indepth discussion. I'm going to have our tanks go full resist for the 1st week just to teach my raid a lesson about managing their threat ;p
244 + 4-debuff + imp thunder looks nice .. Thanks a lot
wat shows you the % in the tooltip ? (like +15 dodge rating (+0.79%))
id also like to know this!
@WarriorTSW have you been able to successfully solo tank Hydross as a bear in TBC Classic? Our warrior wants to drop from our raid group and we will potentially replace with a 2nd Paladin, leaving me (the bear) wonder if I need to try to solo tank Hydross, or have the 2 paladin tanks swap each phase (not sure if a paladin can tank nature)?
Hi. I havent tried. But it is technically possible. Im not sure I would recommend it. If you had 174 of both Nature and Frost Resistance you wouldnt die to hydross. But your gear would be heavily compromised in terms of threat/crit immunity. So your healers would need to be fast and dps respect your threat - particularly on the pull. There are some great resist trinkets that can be used if you wish rely on their on use effect to reach 174. Such as Loatheb's Reflection for 53 resist for 20 seconds. So you could be 121 buffed. so 51 unbuffed of one of the resistances which is nice. Then for the last 20 seconds of the phase pop the on use. Also from AQ you have Petrified Scarab which gives 100 resist but loses 10 every time youre hit. So use it depending on how many hits you expect with how much resistance you have with about a 1.6 sec attack speed from Hydross. 10-20 sec I would expect. Long term, the trinkets are the way to go. Best of luck. Let me know how its goes :)
Does the resistance only come in discrete steps (I believe that's the correct way of phrasing it)? Meaning any resistance value between 244 and 365 would count as 244? Or is it continuous?
Hi, no. Check the link in the description for Royalgiraffe's github post. And read the "Mitigation value per point of resistance" portion. Rember when specific resist values are mentioned, its for level 60.
Just look at the graph. It shows exactly how the partial resist probabilities depend on resistance value.
Continuous - there's just only 4 datapoints in the graph
@@kasper3246 the interpolation between the resistance breakpoints (that look like the only points on the graph) is in fact linear, so you can choose any point on the horizontal axis and read off accurate resist numbers.
The reason they look that way is because that's when the game starts displaying 'poor' 'fair' 'good' and so on on your resistance stat on the character screen, and each range uses a different (linear) formula for each level of partial resist.
Night Elfs in Classic also get +10 nature resist, so you dont have to be Tauren to be high resist
True! My mistake.
Great video, thanks! One question, I thought (melee) crit reduction would be useless since hydross does magic dmg? Or is it just that it cannot crush/be blocked?
Found the answer to my own question, so ignore it :)
"Hydross deals magic melee damage, which can miss, be dodged, parried, partially resisted, but not blocked (so don't bother using Shield Block). Note that he can also crit (but not deal crushing blows), so the tanks should wear resistance items, but still have enough defense to avoid crits."
How much resistance you run very much depends on your raid. I would not suggest getting capped on res, prio crit immunity and 6% hit(+imp ff). My stats as a prot for hydross on our premiere run(we did not run ptr) was 300 FR buffed, hit/critcap and around 14,2k hp unbuffed. Did not take any insane amount of damage
Some day on stream you asked for a like and whatever comment, so here it is.
I currently have 364 frost resistance. How much of a bad thing is that 1 missing frost resistance? Should I spent gold to buy some enchant or am I okay?
I had fr 300 buffed as a prot warrior and we one-shot! There is no need to be resist-capped unless your top dps is 500 xd
@@kribbzon64 yeah we had a clean run also
Whats your hud addon called? :)
Watching your tank guides has help me dps better.! #warlockthreatissues
Thanks, although Night Elves have also +10 nature res and dwarves have 10 frst res :)
Truuuuue :)
Would be curious to see some gear sets for both frost side tanking and nature. I think for instance my guild was planning on having a bear MT frost side first using the Naxx Polar resist gear to hit cap and having a pally or warrior tank nature while only two phasing the boss with no add tank via banishes.
Hi, I've had lots of people submit their gear setups to me for Hydross and when I offer criticism I'm often told they don't have access to the items so I would rather explain the benefits and risk of different kinds of gearing. And players choose what's best for them. But generally to answer your question, pvp gear, dps gear and resistance gear :)
@@WarriorTSW yeah that makes sense for sure. Do you think there’s general a bear practice or which tank should tank which phase? Or can all three tanks handle both sides perfectly fine? I was under impression bears would struggle to get high nature resist but are able to achieve high frost due to the naxx resist crafted items. That being said as you mentioned in the video, going for compete max resist probably isn’t worth compared to the balanced approach.
I tank both frost and nature as a bear with 330/320 fr/nr with only level 60 trinkets with crit cap and only green is a frost res 68 belt
@@Stompinwind What kinda set you using for those?
@@Juggs_WoW T4 helm shoulders pendent of thawing strands mystic sheen, 3pc heavy clefthoof, pvp bracers, wastewalker gloves, frost protection belt, natural ward frozen eye smoking heart of the mountain, loathebs reflection, all gemmed and enchanted for resistance except legs that have 40 stamina and earthwarden for weapon(gladiator maul is ok alternative) and gladiator resolve for idol, flask of chromatic resistance, due to ther 70 variations not in game yet, then prolly will use hit food despite being 10 resist lower than ptr because of that flask variance
Shouldn't a druid be wearing wolfshead helm for hydros?
what about the magic resistance potion? +50 to all schools is very good
Does not stack with any aura/totem, don't bother unless you unlikely can't get someone to give you their FrR/NR
Does Imp. Thunderclap work on the Nature Resist version?
I know he is immune to nature damage.
Would that prevent the debuff from being applied?
Thunderclap is physical so there's nothing to worry about :)
How much resist was on your druid?
Thanks for the great explanation!
Does this mean those RL run through guides are also inc over the next few days?
Oh my god I hope so!
Yes :)
@@failgun Yes :)
how much res for adds tank
You can get away without any. If you do drop low you or anyone else can stun them. War Stomp works well. Of course you can wear a little if you feel unsafe
Very good, thank you.
Thank you TSW for another overly in depth boring guide that will be helpful for the single progression attempt of any guild.
My dude even your Excel file proves there's a high chance the boss will kill you since you don't seem to incorporate possiblity to be parried by Hydross. In that small window when you go down to 3k life, if you cause him to parryhaste, you're dead.
Then healers should heal. Tanks will have 15k+ hp, with 6 healers they should be topped.
@@clarkj3396 Yeah the values in his Excel are way off. Any geared healer can do around 1k hps for multiple minutes. With just 5 healers in raid the expected healing per second shouldn be 50% higher than he proposed.
Awesome
It's easy to tell dps to not use dots than it is to have healers heal more... 350 fully buffed is the smart move, I am doing 330 fully buffed of both resistances and solo tanking hydross as a feral and have not had a wipe due to threat yet(460 resistance from gear which means full dad gear and guarantee you will find many logs with wipes with people under 300 resist than over( and that is the case warcraft logs can show you so dont go using math and making claims when we have real data that shows the opposite