Which Current Rolex Models Should You BUY or PASS in 2025? - Watch Dealers Honest Insight
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Charlie (THWD)
if the difference between AD and grey market is close, why would you ever turn down a brand new 2025 watch from the AD if it's a watch you really want?
This is a good point. It seems that people go to grey dealers to get the watch on the day and not play the Rolex qualification game. If you already have a relationship with Rolex, then this isn't really an issue and of course it would be better getting it from the source.
Exactly. I'd only go grey for high end pieces in todays market, because you may save 5-10k there. What's a grand for a steel watch from the AD, nothing.
Because you either can’t get the watch you want, have to buy other watches (spend money at that dealers shop), develop a relationship with him or her, or you’ll have to sign up on a waiting list and wait many months perhaps a couple years to get it.
@@molassescricket6663 the question was... if it was offered to you already.
Right, but you can’t get it without waiting years. False equivalence, thanks for playing
Honest salesman’s Rolex channel- a must watch! 😆
Just had a conversation with Charlie about purchasing a watch from himself. Extremely polite, basically how you see in the videos. That's twice i've called them and twice received the same service. A lot of grey dealers i have spoken to have been quite rude and obnoxious. That was easy
Thanks mate really appreciate that! Always a pleasure to speak with you 👍
as long as people paying over retail the ad dance will continue. if you dont want to support it actually you should NOT buy over retail.
Hi Charlie! Always enjoy your Sunday updates. I was offered Starbucks in December from Rolex AD, wasn’t a model I requested. Would have been foolish of me to pass up, so I purchased to add to my collection.🤔
Thanks Mike so pleased to hear you like them!
Yes definitely a good one to take, congratulations on the addition to your collection! 🙌
I went to the AD at Harrods in December and was told that nothing was available. I went again yesterday and they told me nothing is in stock. I ended up buying a two tone large Cartier Santos.
Cartier is more classy Rolex is dead only a few models look decent Cartier santos always looks good 👍
Don’t bother with Harrods. There are allegations out there that their Rolex AD is corrupt. All the nicest models are allegedly held back for people who spend the most money in Harrods overall.
Congratulations mate, stunning watch, enjoy it! 👌🏻
Thats the same with every ad lol@@Alexander-xq1gr
Harrods is a complete waste of time. I have been in there numerous times and the staff look down at you as if don’t deserve a Rolex. If you go into the Audemars Piguet boutique next door you will see staff who are extremely polite and knowledgeable. I went there about 5 months ago and spoke to a guy called Ed and he was amazing.
Enjoyable video my AD was saying that they only get one platinum Daytona per year!
I can believe that! Very rare watch 👌🏻
I’ve had the same watch for over 20 years and have not had a problem with it at all. And, it’s not a Rolex.
It’s true - Timex’s are great.
Incredible, bet it has some great stories to tell!
I could be wrong, but i see that you cover almost the exact same models in every update. Will it be possible to talk about other Rolexes?
Will see what we can do!
Do you ever talk about anything other than Rolex? There are other noteworthy manufacturers.
Why do you almost never talk about day dates ?
Their shite
He only talks about watches he can sell
Because they're a one million percent pass. Same for most of the catalog in his eyes nowadays.
@ that is not correct. I dont think platinum with ice blue is a pass, yellow gold with green or ombre green cannot be pass, yellow gold onyx dial cannot be pass, rose gold green dial same and also the eisenkiesel… so all in all there are very good pieces in that collection
Because he pushes watches he can sell. Notice how there is never a peep about the 1903? A beautiful watch if you want a Rolex dress watch and don’t like Patek.
I waited 3 days for my Steel Sub No Date lol picked it up yesterday
What country?
@ US, no purchase history
👌🏻 enjoy it mate!
@@thehonestwatchdealer Thanks brother! An amazing watch.
which city?
James Cameron is 44 not 40
Apologies mate, well spotted!
@thehonestwatchdealer np, great content keep it up
8:41 - I was registered for the black diamond version but I turned it down after I got the call last year! I'm not sure why, but the Daytona just looks small on my wrist compared to my other 40mm pieces. Apparently it is due to the slightly wider bezel, but I'm not sure. It's a stunning watch but unfortunately not for me in the end.
It can wear quite small yes! Well done on passing if it wasn’t quite right for you 👌🏻
Thoughts on the Pepsi? Is it still near impossible to get from the AD?
Id say yes, when AD's are still selling to their mates and splitting the flip profit
Yes certainly one of the hardest to get at the moment!
A large major AD store location I know only got 2 in last year and they went to VIP clients. Which I totally understand, if I'd spent upwards of 500K I'd want priority treatment.
@ very true! 2 isn’t a lot at all!
@@thehonestwatchdealer How its made, and Coke coming. It's the Blue that causes the problem. In all of the GMT bezels a single colour glaze power is placed around the full bezel then a second glaze power is placed over the top half. The intensity of the Blue needs to be strong enough to cover the Red or the red shows through purple. This is why in the sun the blue is slightly purple. If they make it too thick you get a thicker to thinner fault line at 3 and 9 which can snap. On all the others, the Blue, Green, Brown glaze power is put on first and black placed second, the black is a dominant colour and covers the under colour in a thinner coat. If they is any shine trough it would be a complementary Blue/black, Green/Black, Brown/Black hue which is fine. Coke would be a slightly darker red than Pepsi with black over the top. It's a much easier configuration to produce than Red/Blue. I heard from a Tudor AD that Rolex patented a new GMT colour way. My guess is a Coke is coming, now whether the Maxi case switches to a 41mm is less certain.
Thanks for the update, especially on the two tone Root Beer. This is indeed the next one I'm waiting on from my AD (here in Pennsylvania USA). Hopefully within the next couple of months.
You are very welcome Scott, thanks for watching! Hopefully you will get the call soon 👌🏻
Can you please talk about watches other than Rolex? Or is that the limit to this channel?
What about the Air-King? That’s my Rolex goal watch.
Stunning watch yes, to buy to wear and enjoy - go for it! 👌🏻
What about datejusts? Didn't realize they were that unpopular to receive no mention 👀
Stunning watches, best ones to go for - fluted/jubilee in the mint green or wimbledon dials! 👍
@@thehonestwatchdealer Ive been waiting since last may for a fluted/jubilee with slate dial. Is it worth waiting from the AD?
is it better to start buying the sports watches from the late 80 and into the 90s... are they better value or are they as much money?
They should be considerably cheaper than the modern examples!
@thehonestwatchdealer apart from a Zenith Cosmograph Daytona from the mid 90s :( lol
JC 40mm? 44 isn’t it?
That’s correct! Error on my part! 😅👍
Can I ask what watch do you have on.
I wear the Daytona OysterFlex ‘Pikachu’
Why dont you just call it wait for the AD or pay 20% over on Grey ?
If you paid attention you'd know that he is selling some of those watches BELOW the AD price
After the prices increases, do you think pikachu(new ref) will hold its value in second hand?
Hi
Charlie I hope you and your family and all the team at LWC are all keeping healthy and you are having a lovely weekend. Another great honest genuine video. I am sure there will be lots of opportunities to purchase some beautiful Rolex timepieces over the next 12 to 18 months. At your AD. Wishing you all a great week ahead filled with gratitude 🙏
Thanks Karl, hope you are too!
Yes should be a good year for some great opportunities! 👌🏻
The watch game is over mate.
People will no longer be wearing watches??
What about GMT 2 Bruce Wayne?
A good one to buy for sure! 👌🏻
When I saw the Celebration dial DJ I thought you were going to talk about it too! Definitely a discontinue this year Charlie?
There are rumours circulating, we will have to see! 🙌
What do you think about 41 two tone everose flutted bezel jubilee with Wimbledon dial grey market or ad
Would be around list on the grey, so get it without the wait! 👌🏻
What are your thoughts on the yachtmaster 40mm with rhodium dial. I've been waiting a year for that watch from the AD. Should i just carry on waiting or go grey market thanks.
Stunning watch! Entirely up to you, should be able to get it a touch over list with no wait on the secondary market 👍
That’s my watch. Such a beauty.
A year's wait is not worth the time. Go get one from a grey dealer that is trustworthy or @thehonestwatchdealer and enjoy the watch on your wrist.
Great insights, now I'm leaning towards authorized dealers! 👍
In NJ
Got a no date sub 2025
2 weeks
They said it’s unheard of .
What’s that saying ?
Congrats! Hoping to get the call on one myself... waiting 3 months so far.
Congratulations mate, enjoy it! Not long to wait at all! 🙌
@@thehonestwatchdealer cheers mate
Do you seriously think the SS Sub date is worth 2.6 grand over retail giving the state of the market.
Lol so you your advice is to pick all watches up at greymarket dealers :) I'll waiit for my daytona.. almost 2 years on the list, any minute now :)
Hi Charlie, love the videos. Tune in every week! I was offered the White Gold Daytona Oysterflex with a black dial from my AD. I was actually on the list for the ghost, they got the wrong watch on the order weirdly. I turned it down. Too much money to spend on a watch I didn’t order. Did I do the right thing in your opinion? Thanks!
Hi mate thank you, so glad you like them!
Yes you did the right thing, definitely best to hold out for the Ghost 👌🏻
Good words of wisdom again Charlie it’s mad how the market shifts each year
Thanks Paul, appreciate you watching! 🙏
Great video as always, do you see the skydweller model coming closer to retail anytime this year?
Thanks Shaun glad you liked it.
The entry level dials yes, but most probably not the blue or mint green 👍
The everose day date olive green dial was in the thumbnail, but not referenced in the video. What about that one?
Full precious metals are struggling at the moment, thought the Olive is still a very popular model!
Hi Charlie. As usual, great content and insights as usual. I’m in the market for a YM 40 Rhodium. What are your recommendations? It seems to have gone a little day. Thank you in advance.
Such a great watch! Get one from the AD if you can, or on the secondary for a touch over with no wait! 👌🏻
@@thehonestwatchdealer thank you!
I want to take a trip from the USA to buy a watch from you one day just to meet you and get a hand shake. What a guy!
Thanks mate that would be great! Look forward to meeting you in the Boutique one day! 👌🏻
Same
I should have bought one in 89 when they were $3,500. Daytona's were 12,000.
Those were the days!
nice one again charlie , i look forward to them atb
Thanks mate glad you like them!🙏
What do you think about the yachtmaster 40 rhodium dial.... Buy or pass? Thanks
Million percent buy. Love mine
What about buying from the ad or the gray market?
Stunning watch! It’s a touch over on the secondary, so if you don’t want to wait - go grey!
Among the Daytona Oysterflex models, can you tell me the order of popularity and the price formed by the latest stamping among the three models: Yellow Gold Pikachu, White Gold Ghost, and Rose Gold Thunder? Please tell me.
Thanks mate, you got them in the right order yourself!
Pikachu is the best to aim for,
Then Ghost
Then Sundust
Hi Charlie, would love to have your opinion on the Rolex Daytona vs Vacheron Constantin Overseas? Which one's a better build and holds its value over time?
Both incredible watches, Rolex would likely be more durable, however the VC is one of the ‘Holy Trinity’ after all!
Hi Charlie! Nice Video! Ive purchased from an AD and had an amazing experience. I’ve heard that Rolex may track down pieces sold to Grey Market dealers and ban those individuals from buying from an AD again. Does stuff like that happen? As a buyer do I have any risk buying from a Grey Dealer? Just curious and thank you!
Thanks Justin appreciate that! Glad you had a great experience!
Yes that can happen if they find out yes. But if you choose a reputable dealer you should be safe 👍
Really good, transparent video. Big fan of the channel LWC, thank you for your public service announcement! Appreciate the video, well done lads!
Thanks Aaron, appreciate that mate, glad you liked this one! 🙌
The DSSD where I live in Asia (both variants) no waitlist due to size. The new dial with less text is extremely nice. Nice to see Sub prices are attractive on the secondary ❤
Yes it’s great isn’t it! Definitely down to more realistic levels now.
Thanks for watching! 🙏
Would would your advice be for the Polar Explorer 2?
If to flip, then pass, however if to buy to wear and enjoy then yes go from the AD! 👍
@@thehonestwatchdealer Cool - it would be to wear during our Corporate wilderness events. Don't ask 😅
@@dennisjuenger4996 😆
Love my AD, got me a blue jubilee skydweller as my first watch in under a year followed by a rose gold Daytona oysterflex in another 12 months. Next on the list is the 41 mint green DJ.
That’s incredible! Good going, sounds like you have a great AD there 👌🏻
Dident mentioned the pepsi?
Definitely buy, if you can manage to get one! 👍
What about Explorer 36?
ADs literally pushing them out. Not a big wait, if any. And a loss in a flip.
Quite underlist unfortunately!
@@thehonestwatchdealer where to buy it under list? I want to wear it not flip it lol
@@Deathignatortry Chrono24
@@LosAngeles10-33 not a single one under list
Hi Charlie! I am new to the watch community, love your enlightening content. Do you think the DJ chocolate dial is difficult to get/ worth getting? Would love to hear your insights :)
So it would be underlist for you to sell, but a stunning watch and should be great to have in the collection over the long term!
40mm DSSD? 😂 Glad it's not just me that says the wrong size even though you obviously know what it really is 😉
😆👍
Thoughts on whether to dance or grey for the 1908?
Might be best to go grey for this one!
@ thanks! Of the 15 ADs I’ve visited between US and Japan, they all claim to have only seen one and never have a display model. Luckily, I did have a chance to try one on wrist in a Tokyo resell shop
I am getting the GMT2 two tone on the jubilee. It is a gorgeous watch.
Such a stunning watch isn’t it, great combination! Buy what you like 👌🏻
I got my blue dial sky dweller two years ago from my AD, to this day, I still dont know how I landed that thing.
Such an incredible one to get mate, enjoy it! 🙌
@@thehonestwatchdealer Th only down side, my other watches take a backseat. I'm looking at that pink date just you have for a graduation gift for my daughter, obviously, I'll let you know.
What about polar explorer, or grnr steel Bruce Wayne?
Bruce Waynes are still good to get, the Explorer II, pass if looking to flip 👍
@@thehonestwatchdealer Waynes...
Would have loved to know how much under list a new Bluesy is going for Charlie. Thx!
I believe he said 14?
Look online!
@ for sure… was just curious what “Charlie” was selling them for…
@ You can still see online. He has a webpage.
@ right thx👍🏽
Great content…thoughts on if AD offers rose oysterflex Daytona with sundust dial? Take it or go grey market?
With the recent price increase these would now be underlist for you to sell, but to wear and enjoy? Yes go for it!
TIP: Don’t piss off your AD or ever become rude with them. You will get nothing 😮 Just be nice!
That’s very true!
Goes with all things in life. Be respectful and kind ❤
Sprite? Preferably on jubilee.
Great choice!
Hi Charlie, great video as always! I am looking to get a 36 Wimbledon fluted-jubilee combination. What are your thoughts on that one. Try the AD or go for the grey market?
You could try at the AD! It is a stunning watch, so might have quite a wait time for this one!
How about the Daytona two tone diamond black dial ? I thought you were going to commentary on that one. Is that a buy?
If to flip on then pass. However to wear and enjoy, go for it! 🙌
Great video Charlie, what’s your prediction on the price of the OF Daytona range, with the recent 14% price increase?
Thanks mate appreciate you watching! Usually takes a few months for the increase to transfer onto the secondary market, we will have to see what happens!
Great updates on the current Rolex market. I cannot believe the new MRSP from the ADs for the submariner, shocking!
Thanks mate really appreciate that!
Yes some hefty price increases weren’t there! 👍
You didn’t give a grey market price for the platinum Daytona!?!
Hi Charlie, loved all your videos and insights mate. I just want to ask for your advice regarding the oysterflex paul newman dial. I really liked the old model with the red needle. Does it matter if I buy a 2021 model instead of a 2023 model? Given it is Rolex, as long as the 2021 is new and unworned, it should be OK right? Thanks
Yes it should be fine! The 2023 model will just give you extra warranty.
Stunning models, great choice!
@thehonestwatchdealer thanks Charlie! I will aim to come to your office one day to meet with you and see your store too!
@ look forward to having you in one day!
What do you think about
Datejust stainless steel
Azurre dial 2025
Stunning watch! Underlist of looking to flip - but to wear and enjoy, great one to go for!
I just went to the AD here in San Diego and was told I could purchase the Zombie right away no wait. I never been in that store ever in my life.
Ah incredible! Yes unfortunately these are quite underlist so probably struggling to move the Bi-Metal models 👍
Hey Charlie, have you heard rumor Rolex is looking to discontinue the mint green skydweller this year? I like them, but if this happens I’m thinking grey price is going up!
Heard this on one other TH-cam channel, can’t be true only got released 2023, I hope it’s true though.
Lots of rumours like this circulate in the lead up to Watches and Wonders, take everything with a pinch of salt! 👌🏻
I see an Explorer in one of the camera shots. Id love to hear what prices are looking like for models like the DJ, Explorer, Explorer. 2, Air King, etc.
So not the DJ 41 in wimbledon or Mint Green would be overlist. The others would be underlist 👍
Once again a great and informative video, not sure I agree with you about not purchasing from an AD, yes you'll pay more but you are guaranteed to receive an AUTHENTIC timepiece and that includes the box and bracelet.
Thanks Vinny!
Though if you pick a reputable dealer you should be good in terms of authenticity!
When are a day in the life videos coming back?
Hopefully we will be able to get some more BTS content on the way!
@ great, thanks
Did you just say the the james Cameron is 40mm? I've got one and mine is 44mm
Apologies, error on my part! It is the 44mm 👍
What are the economics of these watches they sell on the gray market under retail price? Why would someone pay 20K from the AD and then sell it for 18K so that the gray market dealer can turn around and sell it for 19K. I don’t get it.
It is so they can move up the waiting list for the more desirable models with Rolex 👍
Enjoyed this Charlie, very informative, I’m coming up a year now waiting for a Sub date 😔, got a phone call appointment with them this week hoping for some info!! Keep up the great work 👏🏻😄👍🏻
Thanks David really appreciate it! Hopefully you get some good news! 👌🏻
How about the 41 dayjust fluted?
Mint green and Wimbledon are great to get from the AD 👍
What about the yacht master 42 in titanium? You never discuss this piece….is it because they are impossible to get?
Very hard to get these ones! Will try and do a video when we next get one in 👍
Ive been waiting well over 24 mo for a sub here in the US still
😮, from my experience if you have other options besides mayors, you might have a better chance of getting one along with a special life event.
Hopefully you get the call soon mate! 🙏
You should buy the ones you want to actually wear and keep and pass on anything else!
That’s definitely the best way 👌🏻
What are your thoughts on. The 41 Wimbledon Jubilee? Looking to get a wedding present.
Such a great watch, definitely one to go for if you can get it 👌🏻
Just buy what you like and enjoy.
That’s the best way!
I wonder how expensive a Wimbledon 2025 rosegold oyster bracelet would be on grey market
Should be around list or a touch over 👍
Its easy like i did. 41 m full gold 2024 bluesy. 6 k less brand new then retail AD price may be a little nore
Yes best to get these on the secondary market for sure! 👌🏻
I don't understand when you can get a brand new unworn piece for under retail.
why are people doing this? where are they getting these brand new pieces where they can sell them under retail? how are they making any money or even not losing money doing this?
and if theyre not making money and even losing money... why do they do it?
Yes so they would take the loss to move up the list for the more desirable pieces 👍
@ oh so customers buy them at retail from AD so they build a relationship with the AD so they can get more desirable watches?
and then just sell them to a grey market dealer cheaper than they paid... therefore grey market dealer can sell them less than retail and still make money?
@ that’s exactly it yes 👍
@ makes sense now youve explained it.
appreciate the reply thanks man
👊
Don’t buy any of them all of them over hyped
Vintage pre 2000 breguet under 40mm is sleeper investment, money can be made
I'll buy both the Bluesy and Root Beer on Jubilee if 1) unworn and 2) you have them.
Both pieces are only offered on oyster. Neither are offered on the jubilee.
Unfortunately these two don’t come on the jubilee bracelet!
😂🤣😂Rookie!!!!!!
Haha
@@thehonestwatchdealerokay oyster is fine.
I bought my Deep Sea from Charlie brand new for £14995 before the market dropped, but I don’t regret it and wear it every day, a beautiful watch!
It’s a stunning watch Dean, hope you are still enjoying it!
@ oh yes, no regrets Charlie but if you get the 50mm version in send me an email!
The Daytona 126506 looks like it’s went up a bit.
Very hard to get hold of at the minute! 👍
Just picked a Sub 124060 for 11.5k€ unworn. Good or meh
Congratulations mate, stunning watch, enjoy it! 🙌
You should do WAY more content on Patek Phillipe
No.
Best dealer out there ! Honest guy
Thank you Mark, appreciate that! 👌🏻
Modern Rolex ? No thanks, wouldn't touch it with a bargepole. I dont need to show off. Love some of the 1950s Datejusts at sleeper prices. But am currently fine with my vintage Rolexes. Waves 6582 on the wrist.
Some really great vintage models that you don’t see around anymore, at great prices too as you say!
lol, joker.
I really want to watch the content but can’t stand this guy’s voice.
Can you do subtitles please?
Lol. You insulting prick
This guys the best honest dealer out there!!! Defo not Nico ! At least he’s honest
👌🏻🙏
Is the Ghost Daytona in 2025 still a million percent buy from my AD ?
Absolutely! Definitely take it if you can!
@@thehonestwatchdealer Thank you 🙏
@@thehonestwatchdealerwhat about sun dust oysterflex ? Is it a million percent buy ?
Batgirl?
Great one to go for 👌🏻
Nice teeth!