A $10,000 flight from Portland to Tokyo in economy is a ridiculous price and yes, used to manipulate routes and bookings. Shame, Shame Delta. Your better than that, and your customers deserve better as well.
I think they should have allowed all airlines that fly to Haneda to switch just one route, because business is about adapting and if one rout doesnt work they should be able to file for a route switch. United sounded salty all the other airlines agreed.
I'm against the concept of the treaty that specifies the number of flights between nations and the government being involved in allocating the slots....but I understand it needs to be done. If the capacity of Haneda were left to the free market Japan would not be have access to the necessary destinations in the world. If the airlines were able to change departure cities to use their slots there would be nothing stopping all airlines from ending service in one of more cities. There also would be no means to prevent anticompetitive behavior. Airlines would be able to move routes to disrupt the pricing and then raise pricing when the existing airline gives up and moves. There are many ways this can disruptive to the entire US aviation system. Also, Delta is already the largest beneficiary of the rules in place. If they don't want to operate the routes they have been allocated, they need to be available to others. Delta has been very profitable for years because of good business decisions that have played out well. This seems to be an extreme request to keep year over year results appearing positive. They need to accept just being very profitable instead of seeking to be even more profitable continuously.
This isn't the first time Delta has made "extreme requests" regarding slots at Haneda. When Haneda reopened to long haul flights in 2013, US airlines got 4 night slots (arrive and depart HND between 2200 and 0600). Due to flight times and time zones, these meant that departure/arrival times on the US end were between 11pm and 4am, which lead to the routes failing. At the time, Delta had a hub at Narita which they got from Northwest. Delta demanded enough day slots at Haneda to move the Narita hub. They of course didn't get that and later closed the Narita hub. After new taxiways and an extension to the international terminal, there was a new slot allocation at Haneda in 2016. The US handed back 3 of the night slots and gained 5 day slots. This last round of allocations in 2019 came about from changes to the airspace around Tokyo with the US airforce handing back control of the airspace around the Yokota airforce base allowed 50 new daily long haul day flights. 24 of those were allocated to US flights (12 for US airlines). During the 2013-2016 night slot only period, Delta moved their US port 3 times. They cancelled flights from Seattle and Detroit before using LA. (Though American also moved their flight during that same period from JFK to LAX) When the US got day slots in 2016, the 4 existing flights were converted to day flights and the 5th slot was given to Delta for flights from MSP while Hawaiian got the new night slot.
Yeah I mean if it's not profitable why not just lose it? They're already doing their best to so with the exorbitant prices... Why would losing it be such a bad thing? Sounds like they simply don't want to give up the slot unless they get a more favorable route?
Air ticket price on Transpacific flights including Japan is now unprecedentedly expensive!!! I don't understand the Delta's logic. There are almost no codeshare flights between Delta and other Skyteam members (I guess Vietnam Airlines is the only exception) between Tokyo/Haneda and other Asian cities. Delta should work harder to increase connecting passengers from Haneda to Asia.
@@drwombat Sorry I’m a Japanese. A codeshare agreement, also known simply as codeshare, is a business arrangement, common in the aviation industry, in which two or more airlines publish and market the same flight under their own airline designator and flight number (the "airline flight code") as part of their published timetable or schedule.
Due to US-Japan arrangement, Delta cannot allocate its slots to other US cities, which makes Delta hard to maintain Haneda slots. Delta honestly wants to allocate Portland flight to JFK, I guess. I don't understand why Delta initially picked up Portland instead of lucrative JFK flight.
they are trying to switch to airbus for fleet flexibility, it’s better to have all airbus planes because they are newer designs and all use common parts.
They are doing mainly Airbus as smungus indicated. Boeing didn't fight hard enough to keep them once they took over NWA, thus they went with the best options the A350 is a better fit for Delta than the 787
@@Aangsaka plus airbus is always planning improvements and new planes, a350, a330 neo, a220, a321xlr, a320neo family, and more , while Boeing is still building 60 year old designs.
All airlines in Japan at least have few Boeing aircraft, Japan helped build the 787 so unfortunately that may be a probability. Unless they are trying to lessen overcrowding
A $10,000 flight from Portland to Tokyo in economy is a ridiculous price and yes, used to manipulate routes and bookings. Shame, Shame Delta. Your better than that, and your customers deserve better as well.
That’s not true 😂 you’re just outright lying, go complain elsewhere Karen
Bruh that's how much delta charges for a flight at my home airport (Former hub until 2000)
What I don't understand is where does Delta want to move these slots to? To increase other cities or provide slots to new US cities?
Both
They want to replace PDX with JFK
Likely JFK another LAX depart and or ATL. PDX isn't a hub for them so probably not a lot of demand for them on the route.
Hello, earlier today I spotted an AirFrance A350 (F-HTYK) having a tire burst on landing….
Could you review it?
no
@@moldypizza__😂
No need for a video on that. It's nothing unusual.
I think they should have allowed all airlines that fly to Haneda to switch just one route, because business is about adapting and if one rout doesnt work they should be able to file for a route switch.
United sounded salty all the other airlines agreed.
The dropped the prices lol United called them out for sure.
Clearly the load on that Portland route will be extremely light
Yes, I do feel that this is rediculous!!!
Why is there's no direct flights from America to Banger's mate
Delta is just absurd, I get it but shouldn’t they just go to Tokyo Narita like they used to?
I'm against the concept of the treaty that specifies the number of flights between nations and the government being involved in allocating the slots....but I understand it needs to be done. If the capacity of Haneda were left to the free market Japan would not be have access to the necessary destinations in the world.
If the airlines were able to change departure cities to use their slots there would be nothing stopping all airlines from ending service in one of more cities. There also would be no means to prevent anticompetitive behavior.
Airlines would be able to move routes to disrupt the pricing and then raise pricing when the existing airline gives up and moves. There are many ways this can disruptive to the entire US aviation system.
Also, Delta is already the largest beneficiary of the rules in place. If they don't want to operate the routes they have been allocated, they need to be available to others.
Delta has been very profitable for years because of good business decisions that have played out well. This seems to be an extreme request to keep year over year results appearing positive. They need to accept just being very profitable instead of seeking to be even more profitable continuously.
This isn't the first time Delta has made "extreme requests" regarding slots at Haneda.
When Haneda reopened to long haul flights in 2013, US airlines got 4 night slots (arrive and depart HND between 2200 and 0600). Due to flight times and time zones, these meant that departure/arrival times on the US end were between 11pm and 4am, which lead to the routes failing.
At the time, Delta had a hub at Narita which they got from Northwest. Delta demanded enough day slots at Haneda to move the Narita hub. They of course didn't get that and later closed the Narita hub.
After new taxiways and an extension to the international terminal, there was a new slot allocation at Haneda in 2016. The US handed back 3 of the night slots and gained 5 day slots.
This last round of allocations in 2019 came about from changes to the airspace around Tokyo with the US airforce handing back control of the airspace around the Yokota airforce base allowed 50 new daily long haul day flights. 24 of those were allocated to US flights (12 for US airlines).
During the 2013-2016 night slot only period, Delta moved their US port 3 times. They cancelled flights from Seattle and Detroit before using LA. (Though American also moved their flight during that same period from JFK to LAX)
When the US got day slots in 2016, the 4 existing flights were converted to day flights and the 5th slot was given to Delta for flights from MSP while Hawaiian got the new night slot.
Operate the flights or lose the slots
Yeah I mean if it's not profitable why not just lose it? They're already doing their best to so with the exorbitant prices... Why would losing it be such a bad thing? Sounds like they simply don't want to give up the slot unless they get a more favorable route?
Air ticket price on Transpacific flights including Japan is now unprecedentedly expensive!!! I don't understand the Delta's logic.
There are almost no codeshare flights between Delta and other Skyteam members (I guess Vietnam Airlines is the only exception) between Tokyo/Haneda and other Asian cities. Delta should work harder to increase connecting passengers from Haneda to Asia.
What is code share?
@@drwombat I think it is so basic term…
@@sho1715 sounds like English isn't your first language perhaps we use a different term here. Care to define it,
@@drwombat Sorry I’m a Japanese. A codeshare agreement, also known simply as codeshare, is a business arrangement, common in the aviation industry, in which two or more airlines publish and market the same flight under their own airline designator and flight number (the "airline flight code") as part of their published timetable or schedule.
The pandemic did a lot of damage and caused more market shift that’s why pdx lost its value for a Haneda fligjt
I despise united but im with them on this one 😂
The crooked government caring about what crooked Delta does is priceless.
I can't understand this concept. Can some one help me????????
Due to US-Japan arrangement, Delta cannot allocate its slots to other US cities, which makes Delta hard to maintain Haneda slots. Delta honestly wants to allocate Portland flight to JFK, I guess. I don't understand why Delta initially picked up Portland instead of lucrative JFK flight.
Delta airlines should fly to Tokyo from Las Vegas, San Diego, New York, Boston and Orlando
Delta should purchase 787
they are trying to switch to airbus for fleet flexibility, it’s better to have all airbus planes because they are newer designs and all use common parts.
They are doing mainly Airbus as smungus indicated. Boeing didn't fight hard enough to keep them once they took over NWA, thus they went with the best options the A350 is a better fit for Delta than the 787
@@Aangsaka plus airbus is always planning improvements and new planes, a350, a330 neo, a220, a321xlr, a320neo family, and more , while Boeing is still building 60 year old designs.
Yeah, I'd love to see the Dreamliner in Delta colours.
@@turbofanlover well you wont
is all part of anti airbus discrimnation. they done this to delta airline because delta airline is major airbus aircraft operator
Wow. 🤣
LOL
That's ridiculous.
This also affects American and United but to a lessor extent.
All airlines in Japan at least have few Boeing aircraft, Japan helped build the 787 so unfortunately that may be a probability. Unless they are trying to lessen overcrowding