Epica Essence of Silence drum play-through Drum play-through of 'The Essence of Silence' by Arien van Weesenbeek. Order 'THE QUANTUM ENIGMA': smarturl.it/EPI...
Yeah I don't get this trend of playalongs either. When I see a drummer play, I wanna hear him actually PLAYING what he plays at that moment. Not a pre-recorded, edited, quantized (tightened up) mix that you hear on most records nowadays, that give the impression that every drummer is machine tight. I'm not saying Arien is sloppy, he's a great drummer, but that's even more reason to use the actual recordings of what he played. He doesn't need a pre-recorded fully polished track.
LambofMetallica1 Many people much prefer the feel of a connected double kick pedal, also means you can have a natural kick tone without worrying about the tuning difference between the two kicks which would be a nightmare to maintain on the road!
mitchell2719 He is recording in a studio but it's for this video so the presentation of the kit comes into play again. LambofMetallica1 A bit of variance in tuning between kicks is actually ok. Obviously having them tuned worlds apart would sound terrible. Also, if he uses triggers then it's only really the bottom end 'woof' of the natural sound that we'd be hearing (the punch coming from the triggered sound). With one kick, that 'woof' is cut short by the strike of the next beater; but with two kicks, the drum is allowed to resonate a bit more while the other kick is struck. Very slight difference in sound which us mortals probably can't hear. This is just thoughts based on my own discoveries. I hope it can help :-)
mitchell2719 He means the left bassdrum is not being played, hence it's only there for the show/ aesthetics (even thought it's in a studio, nobody really cares). He uses a doublebass pedal on the right bassdrum for all the actual hits. edit: never mind :)
I meant the bass guitar :P But yeah, I noticed that too. The entire video I was wondering, "What's the point of the left bass, he's got a double kick!"
mitchell2719 OH yeah. Actually in most metal mixes, the bass guitar is damn near inaudible. It's not more than a bit of coloring on top of the rhythm guitar. Might as well just rip it out and add some bass to the rhythm guitar nowadays. At least in Selfmachine, we always tell the mixer, we want our bass guitar audible. Our bass player often plays seperate melodies from the rhythm guitars, which I think works out well. It actually puts that extra layer to good use.
SinisterSkip That's one of the things I've always found weird. In metal, if you want to hear the bass, you have to actively look for it most of the time. I mean, there are exceptions (some Slayer, Protest the Hero, Behemoth) but if you mix it out entirely, what's the point of having it there in the first place? It's a big part of the reason my band plays post-hardcore with metal influences instead of thrash/death. Our bass player's pretty good, so why leave him in the dust?
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So amazing! I enjoy the drum parts a lot in many of their songs. All of the band members have lots of talent!
EPIC song. One of the best from symphonic metal! \m/
i met this guy after a show :P he's really nice to the fans
Awesome!!!!!!!!
Wouldn't it be more interesting if we could actually hear him playing?
That's what I would like to say!!!
Yeah I don't get this trend of playalongs either. When I see a drummer play, I wanna hear him actually PLAYING what he plays at that moment. Not a pre-recorded, edited, quantized (tightened up) mix that you hear on most records nowadays, that give the impression that every drummer is machine tight. I'm not saying Arien is sloppy, he's a great drummer, but that's even more reason to use the actual recordings of what he played. He doesn't need a pre-recorded fully polished track.
genio arien van weesenbeek
Is this a folk rhythm or something? the main riff. sounds exotic
Its funny how he has a double bass and still is playin with a twin pedal lol.
Amazing video, should not even have a dislike button !
What is the lefty bass drum for if he using double pedal?!!
stage production man, a band of this size will have a huge stage production, looks count in that kinda thing
LambofMetallica1 Many people much prefer the feel of a connected double kick pedal, also means you can have a natural kick tone without worrying about the tuning difference between the two kicks which would be a nightmare to maintain on the road!
That's exactly what I was thinking! As for the aesthetics point, he's recording this in a studio, nobody cares what it looks like.
mitchell2719
He is recording in a studio but it's for this video so the presentation of the kit comes into play again.
LambofMetallica1 A bit of variance in tuning between kicks is actually ok. Obviously having them tuned worlds apart would sound terrible. Also, if he uses triggers then it's only really the bottom end 'woof' of the natural sound that we'd be hearing (the punch coming from the triggered sound).
With one kick, that 'woof' is cut short by the strike of the next beater; but with two kicks, the drum is allowed to resonate a bit more while the other kick is struck. Very slight difference in sound which us mortals probably can't hear.
This is just thoughts based on my own discoveries. I hope it can help :-)
where is the mic...this is the drum show please bring the live sound up..
double bass but only one have both pedals
this MAE is only.
Ghost bass :/
Epica's never been great about mixing the bass to audible levels. I'm listening with my Shure SHR840s and I can't hear it at all.
mitchell2719
He means the left bassdrum is not being played, hence it's only there for the show/ aesthetics (even thought it's in a studio, nobody really cares). He uses a doublebass pedal on the right bassdrum for all the actual hits.
edit: never mind :)
I meant the bass guitar :P
But yeah, I noticed that too. The entire video I was wondering, "What's the point of the left bass, he's got a double kick!"
mitchell2719
OH yeah. Actually in most metal mixes, the bass guitar is damn near inaudible. It's not more than a bit of coloring on top of the rhythm guitar. Might as well just rip it out and add some bass to the rhythm guitar nowadays. At least in Selfmachine, we always tell the mixer, we want our bass guitar audible. Our bass player often plays seperate melodies from the rhythm guitars, which I think works out well. It actually puts that extra layer to good use.
SinisterSkip That's one of the things I've always found weird. In metal, if you want to hear the bass, you have to actively look for it most of the time. I mean, there are exceptions (some Slayer, Protest the Hero, Behemoth) but if you mix it out entirely, what's the point of having it there in the first place?
It's a big part of the reason my band plays post-hardcore with metal influences instead of thrash/death. Our bass player's pretty good, so why leave him in the dust?