Undefeated Derby Winner 1982. See footage of all his races and note comments of his trainer Vincent O'Brien "I would have to rate him with the best, Nijinsky and Sir Ivor."
Yes Dr o Brien an absolute genius as rarely had more than 40 horses in training and for a number of years no fillies. Golden fleece right up there with the very best. His 3 runs before epsom looking back was terrific form. He actually beat much better horses than in derby. Epsom wasn't the best racetrack for him. He had unbelievable acceleration. Yes pat eddery did think he was better than dancing brave especially over 12f he told us. Terrific upload this. What a horse. So underrated. Brilliant on the clock too in all his races especially sectional timing.
@@markroe6757 when at ballydoyle in 1980s that was the case. Always kept quality or quantity. For a period of time none or very few fillies. Not exactly sure max number he ever trained in his career was prob in the 60s never more than that. This is just fact. The big stables nowadays can easily have 250-300 horses in training.
@@josephineubas4655Probably forty two year olds, I know that they certainly didn't have as many horses in their stables as they do now, but I do think they had round about a hundred although I'm led to believe that Henry Cecil probably has near two hundred, I used to have a few old copies of Horses In Training from around the 1985 years.
Wow! You're so lucky to have seen him.. One of the best Derby winners we've seen.. I'm sure he would have won the King George (Karaglow) and Arc (Akiyda) if he wasn't retired.. He was a special talent :)
Wow, what a special beautiful horse he was! And it's so so sad he died just 2 years later :( He could be the most underrated Derby winner ever.. he was rated 133 with Timeform, which is high, but this horse reminded me a little of Sea Bird.. he was rated 145, and Pat Eddery said Golden Fleece was the best horse he ever rode.. the man rode Pebbles, El Gran Senor and Dancing Brave.. they where all rated higher than Golden Fleece and in the Book "A Century of Champions" the authors only rated him an "average" Derby winner.. this horse has to be the most underrated, most unknown, misunderstood champion of all.. he was undefeated and died so young.. May God Bless his soul
Pat Eddery said Dancing Brave was like a Rolls Royce he probably said Golden Fleece is the best horse he rode as he did not know the RollsRoyce was just four years away from Golden Fleece
Barney Curley never rated Golden Fleece, he layed him to loose a Kings Ransom for the 1982 Derby, these clips are very cool to see , he was a very good racehorse look what he did to Assert? destroyed him twice on the bridle, in the Derby he won easily despite coming from further back than ideal around tattenham corner , and from there he ranged up smoothly and impressively but for injury he would have been hailed one of the greats
@Paul Gallagher No doubt, Sea Bird was the best derby winner in history, but we do have to acknowledge the fact the horse would have improved between The Derby and Longchamp.. so if we take all those horses you mentioned as we seen them on the day, I do wonder if it would have gotten a little too close for comfort for fans of Sebird. Nijinsky, Reference Point, Golden Fleece, Generous and Shergar in particular, may have got Seabird out his comfort zone. If he was ridden in the same style, in fear of injuring him on the road after the winning line, I suspect he would have come up short against a brilliant front-runner.
Dr Vincent O' Brien TRUE Legend and a Genuine bonafide GENIUS , One of the World's greatest ever racehorse trainers , these terms are often bandied about these days for idiot's who get it all handed to them on a plate but Dr O' Brien was the real deal , small select team cherry picked and expertly handled by a Master of his profession , that and he gave tuition to some amazing trainers notably John Gosden and a host of others
This beautiful son of Nijinsky was a great horse . Pat Eddery always maintained that Golden Fleece was the best horse he ever rode . I cannot disagree with that . He didn't race again after the Derby but he would have swept everything aside had he done so . I actually think Epsom didn't suit him and that his sheer class helped him to win at that unique racecourse .
paul o toole yes, Eddery always instinctively said Golden Fleece was the best he had ridden. The press used to say to him surely it was Dancing Brave and he would then defer to their insistence. But his instant response said volumes.
2 greats of the turf.yet one is always revered but the other is barely remembered by the so called EXPERTS who do these Top 50s etc.Ah well we know different haha!@@9pwsscamel369
@@paulotoole9758 i agree a great horse, but so few Derby winners ever do anything nowadays, the last ones to be a champ were STS and another Golden,- Horn.
11 championships in UK 1 in Ireland second to sir Gordon in winners and starter way after Lester piggott pat eddery and Lester were in a league of there own 😊
@@joncaffrey8967wouldn't be saying that now John lost an awful lot of races he should have won l think Mick kinane was a better jockey than eddery and K Fallon as well strong as an ox kinane and Fallon no doubt 🧐 about that
Love these videos but gives you an enormous sense of whats past, such wonderful horses, Eddery & Lester, Oaksey and many more lost to the passage of time. Great memories nonetheless.
Interesting time comparisons Shergar in 1981 Golden Fleece 1982, the 1982 Derby was run over 10 secs faster! also from a mark visible just over 3f out i compared , Golden Fleece 39.47 to line, Shergar over 45 secs! even allowing for a softer surface in Shergar's Derby these comparisons are simply staggering!! this adds weight to the belief that Golden Fleece was indeed a truly exceptional animal , the times back it up, incidentally approx 3.5secs faster than the 1986 Derby Dancing Brave's year on a quick surface
@@mallafets Golden Fleece was the better horse I know Pat Eddery had him at number one ahead of all the greats he rode inc Grundy Dancing Brave and his Arc Winners
@@WESSERPARAQUAT Im not saying one was better but times are a bad indicator, look at the horses who hold track records most you have never heard of. Shergar decimated fields and Stoute says nothing he ever trained was near him. GF we will never know just how good he really was buy obviously a serious machine. A King George in 82 with those two imagine that, though weight for age GF would of been my pick. Also Eddery corrected himself a few times in later years and said DB was the best he had ridden.
He was indeed a huge horse 17.2 hands he was. Best horse I have ever seen, seen his 3 wins in Ireland. He beat Assert as a 2yo & 3yo in a canter. Assert won French & Irish Derby's. Golden Fleece never given the credit he deserved.
It's fair to say that Assert improved later in the season but, Golden Fleece met him twice and beat him comfortably both times. Also, after his first win as a 3YO, Golden Fleece had to have improved to win the Derby. I feel it unfair he was rated behind Assert in some quarters. Too much emphasis is placed on the horses he beat at Epsom not being that good but how many beaten horses in The Derby amount to anything?
Lester had no ride and he was doing TV commentary. As Golden Fleece cantered to the start Lester voiced dislike of the horse's scratchy action and doubted we were looking at the winner. It was very odd from Lester and he was soon proven wrong. Some horses don't like to stretch out or raise their hooves much until they're actually racing...
Vincent is still NO1 , listen , look , obviously delighted we'll see what the lads say, runs half the field in his derbys :) Vincent only ran one in most so achieved so much more and he could talk the other yolk can't talk obviously, yea no delighted, he has a lovely mind, obviously yea no, yea no i'm a genius we'll see what the lads shite out of them then decide yea no delighted lovely mind
@@markperryman1797 he has a lovely mind ricci, ah listen delighted, thrilled ...did you ever see as bent a wacky race as this years irish "derby" :)) Dr O' Brien wouldn't be impressed haha the irish, the curragh....a shithole even after the "refurbishment" but sure, delighted thrilled obviously happy....oh wait, i'm giving away the names of me best 2yo's , obviously wins next years derby but we might run a few others ricci....theres a nice one called obviously 2 then obviously the third he's gud pleased with his work, he has a lovely fucking mind ricci, might land a job at kilbeggan in a novice ....if all else fails, obviously delighted thrilled lovely mind ........................
@@WESSERPARAQUAT Irish Derby, LADBROKES phone call: "Hello Mr O'Brien?", "er hello Mr Dillon, Ryan will make it look an unlucky ride on Anthony van Dyck the pacemaker will win, were sure that you will be delighted".....
@@markperryman1797 this years irish "derby" was run and won like a bent french seller :P or claimer :) LAUGHABLE! irelands premium middle distance race, a farce , a joke , long term new rules need to be introduced that either an owner (s) trainer (s) can run no more than two in any classic, it's a disgrace that a gobshite can run 6 or 7 in a Classic , seriously it's ruining the spectacle for everyone, it's just not fun to watch anymore , and who remembers wings of shite?
3 legend's horse 🏇 jockey and trainer gone but not forgotten
Golden Fleece had the perfect jockey on his back as the horse ran effortlessly when asked to kick
What a horse,incredible
Brilliant video. A forgotten champion.
Yes Dr o Brien an absolute genius as rarely had more than 40 horses in training and for a number of years no fillies. Golden fleece right up there with the very best. His 3 runs before epsom looking back was terrific form. He actually beat much better horses than in derby. Epsom wasn't the best racetrack for him. He had unbelievable acceleration. Yes pat eddery did think he was better than dancing brave especially over 12f he told us. Terrific upload this. What a horse. So underrated. Brilliant on the clock too in all his races especially sectional timing.
Who told u that he only trained 40 horses u must be on the disco biscuits
@@markroe6757 when at ballydoyle in 1980s that was the case. Always kept quality or quantity. For a period of time none or very few fillies. Not exactly sure max number he ever trained in his career was prob in the 60s never more than that. This is just fact. The big stables nowadays can easily have 250-300 horses in training.
@@josephineubas4655Probably forty two year olds, I know that they certainly didn't have as many horses in their stables as they do now, but I do think they had round about a hundred although I'm led to believe that Henry Cecil probably has near two hundred, I used to have a few old copies of Horses In Training from around the 1985 years.
I was at Leopardstown when he won the Nijinsky Stakes. He was the most beautiful horse I've ever seen.
Wow! You're so lucky to have seen him.. One of the best Derby winners we've seen.. I'm sure he would have won the King George (Karaglow) and Arc (Akiyda) if he wasn't retired.. He was a special talent :)
Seen him in his 3 races in Ireland best horse i have ever seen. Awesome he was won every race in a canter. Within the year he did of cancer.
@James Ledwidge Wow, you’re very lucky to have seen him :) I bet you’ve seen some incredible performances down the years 😀🐎
@@jamesledwidge5879 good man Jimmy.Hows the golf?
u know of any footage of el gran senor winning first time out at phoenix park?
Vastly under rated and somewhat forgotten because he never ran again but believe me he was one of the best.
Wow, what a special beautiful horse he was! And it's so so sad he died just 2 years later :(
He could be the most underrated Derby winner ever.. he was rated 133 with Timeform, which is high, but this horse reminded me a little of Sea Bird.. he was rated 145, and Pat Eddery said Golden Fleece was the best horse he ever rode.. the man rode Pebbles, El Gran Senor and Dancing Brave.. they where all rated higher than Golden Fleece and in the Book "A Century of Champions" the authors only rated him an "average" Derby winner.. this horse has to be the most underrated, most unknown, misunderstood champion of all.. he was undefeated and died so young.. May God Bless his soul
He seems to be the 'forgotten horse'. Without doubt one of the best Derby winners in my 60yrs.
Pat Eddery said Dancing Brave was like a Rolls Royce he probably said Golden Fleece is the best horse he rode as he did not know the RollsRoyce was just four years away from Golden Fleece
@@jeroldchinttgmail he said it after he retired golden fleece was the best horse he ever rode
Barney Curley never rated Golden Fleece, he layed him to loose a Kings Ransom for the 1982 Derby, these clips are very cool to see , he was a very good racehorse look what he did to Assert? destroyed him twice on the bridle, in the Derby he won easily despite coming from further back than ideal around tattenham corner , and from there he ranged up smoothly and impressively but for injury he would have been hailed one of the greats
Great to know that Barney did his conkers 😂
@@MegaALEXLOUIS footnote, i bettcha anything 4 eyes has read my comments haha
@@WESSERPARAQUAT 😂
@@MegaALEXLOUIS one was bad enough...now there are 3 of them! irish racing is FINISHED
Barney curley talked crap
The greatest of all time
thank u so much.WHAT A HORSE.MY ALL TIME FAVOURITE
@Paul Gallagher No doubt, Sea Bird was the best derby winner in history, but we do have to acknowledge the fact the horse would have improved between The Derby and Longchamp.. so if we take all those horses you mentioned as we seen them on the day, I do wonder if it would have gotten a little too close for comfort for fans of Sebird. Nijinsky, Reference Point, Golden Fleece, Generous and Shergar in particular, may have got Seabird out his comfort zone. If he was ridden in the same style, in fear of injuring him on the road after the winning line, I suspect he would have come up short against a brilliant front-runner.
Dr Vincent O' Brien TRUE Legend and a Genuine bonafide GENIUS , One of the World's greatest ever racehorse trainers , these terms are often bandied about these days for idiot's who get it all handed to them on a plate but Dr O' Brien was the real deal , small select team cherry picked and expertly handled by a Master of his profession , that and he gave tuition to some amazing trainers notably John Gosden and a host of others
@Stephen Small Vincent told me to tell you his name is more than worthy of a Capital letter
@Stephen Small ya, i had ouija board again , Dr O'Brien was saying Desert Crown
@Stephen Small i'm on at 33/1 each way on Desert Crown , 500 euro e.w
He was a beast!!
Convinced he would've gone on to be an all-time great.
Such a shame it couldn't be proven
Yes, the horse never raced again after his Derby win, and more tragically, died after his only season of his breeding career.
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This beautiful son of Nijinsky was a great horse . Pat Eddery always maintained that Golden Fleece was the best horse he ever rode . I cannot disagree with that . He didn't race again after the Derby but he would have swept everything aside had he done so . I actually think Epsom didn't suit him and that his sheer class helped him to win at that unique racecourse .
And some fools think Frankel was a better horse 🤡🤣🤣
Golden Fleece was rated ahead of Dancing Brave by Pat Eddery in a Sporting Life article.
paul o toole yes, Eddery always instinctively said Golden Fleece was the best he had ridden. The press used to say to him surely it was Dancing Brave and he would then defer to their insistence. But his instant response said volumes.
2 greats of the turf.yet one is always revered but the other is barely remembered by the so called EXPERTS who do these Top 50s etc.Ah well we know different haha!@@9pwsscamel369
@@paulotoole9758 i agree a great horse, but so few Derby winners ever do anything nowadays, the last ones to be a champ were STS and another Golden,- Horn.
Nijinsky his sire
Vincent o brien & Robert sangster Kings of the ring
Remember this Derby so well. Golden Fleece was like a Range Rover overtaking a group of pedal cyclists
obviously a top class horse just a pity he didnt race after derby tho
golden fleece is one of the greatest derby winners and pat eddery for me is the greatest jockey and vincent o brien the greatest trainer .
Wouldn't say eddery was the greatest jockey Mick kinane Kieran Fallon were he's equal no doubt 🤔 about that
11 championships in UK 1 in Ireland second to sir Gordon in winners and starter way after Lester piggott pat eddery and Lester were in a league of there own 😊
@@joncaffrey8967wouldn't be saying that now John lost an awful lot of races he should have won l think Mick kinane was a better jockey than eddery and K Fallon as well strong as an ox kinane and Fallon no doubt 🧐 about that
Love these videos but gives you an enormous sense of whats past, such wonderful horses, Eddery & Lester, Oaksey and many more lost to the passage of time. Great memories nonetheless.
Quite a short action. Subbed.
Truly smazing.
Interesting time comparisons Shergar in 1981 Golden Fleece 1982, the 1982 Derby was run over 10 secs faster! also from a mark visible just over 3f out i compared , Golden Fleece 39.47 to line, Shergar over 45 secs! even allowing for a softer surface in Shergar's Derby these comparisons are simply staggering!! this adds weight to the belief that Golden Fleece was indeed a truly exceptional animal , the times back it up, incidentally approx 3.5secs faster than the 1986 Derby Dancing Brave's year on a quick surface
Shergar was eased right down though way before the line.
@@mallafets Golden Fleece was the better horse I know Pat Eddery had him at number one ahead of all the greats he rode inc Grundy Dancing Brave and his Arc Winners
@@mallafets Nothing in behind Shergar achieved much , Golden Fleece annihilating Assert TWICE , Assert was very good
@@WESSERPARAQUAT Im not saying one was better but times are a bad indicator, look at the horses who hold track records most you have never heard of. Shergar decimated fields and Stoute says nothing he ever trained was near him. GF we will never know just how good he really was buy obviously a serious machine. A King George in 82 with those two imagine that, though weight for age GF would of been my pick. Also Eddery corrected himself a few times in later years and said DB was the best he had ridden.
@@mallafets in public Eddery would say that in private it was always Golden Fleece , Peter Bromley's epic Shergar commentary is worth checking out
Impressive
Eddery said the best he ever sat on and won the derby without an effort and in the fastest time since the war think of that
was this taken from the Virgin Great Races video on the Derby
PAT THE BEST EVER
Huge horse
He was indeed a huge horse 17.2 hands he was. Best horse I have ever seen, seen his 3 wins in Ireland. He beat Assert as a 2yo & 3yo in a canter. Assert won French & Irish Derby's. Golden Fleece never given the credit he deserved.
Pat Eddery so cool as with Dancing Brave in the Arc
It's fair to say that Assert improved later in the season but, Golden Fleece met him twice and beat him comfortably both times. Also, after his first win as a 3YO, Golden Fleece had to have improved to win the Derby. I feel it unfair he was rated behind Assert in some quarters. Too much emphasis is placed on the horses he beat at Epsom not being that good but how many beaten horses in The Derby amount to anything?
Touching Wood went on to win the Leger. Assert won the Irish Derby and Juddmonte by huge distances.
Agreed,
That's why THE DERBY is the test,
More often than not (greater than 9 times out of 10) the best horse wins it...
Dont forget Christy roche outrode eddery in the derby on secreto every one said eddery ballsed it up dont think so watch the finish again 😊
What did Lester ride in that derby
Lester had no ride and he was doing TV commentary. As Golden Fleece cantered to the start Lester voiced dislike of the horse's scratchy action and doubted we were looking at the winner. It was very odd from Lester and he was soon proven wrong. Some horses don't like to stretch out or raise their hooves much until they're actually racing...
@@vencejo7572 He was probably raging that he wasn't on him as he should have been if greed didn't get the better of him.
the best part of this clip?? Thommo keeping his trap shut
Vincent is still NO1 , listen , look , obviously delighted we'll see what the lads say, runs half the field in his derbys :) Vincent only ran one in most so achieved so much more and he could talk the other yolk can't talk obviously, yea no delighted, he has a lovely mind, obviously yea no, yea no i'm a genius we'll see what the lads shite out of them then decide yea no delighted lovely mind
Er obviously delighted.....
@@markperryman1797 he has a lovely mind ricci, ah listen delighted, thrilled ...did you ever see as bent a wacky race as this years irish "derby" :)) Dr O' Brien wouldn't be impressed haha the irish, the curragh....a shithole even after the "refurbishment" but sure, delighted thrilled obviously happy....oh wait, i'm giving away the names of me best 2yo's , obviously wins next years derby but we might run a few others ricci....theres a nice one called obviously 2 then obviously the third he's gud pleased with his work, he has a lovely fucking mind ricci, might land a job at kilbeggan in a novice ....if all else fails, obviously delighted thrilled lovely mind ........................
@@WESSERPARAQUAT Irish Derby, LADBROKES phone call: "Hello Mr O'Brien?", "er hello Mr Dillon, Ryan will make it look an unlucky ride on Anthony van Dyck the pacemaker will win, were sure that you will be delighted".....
@@markperryman1797 this years irish "derby" was run and won like a bent french seller :P or claimer :) LAUGHABLE! irelands premium middle distance race, a farce , a joke , long term new rules need to be introduced that either an owner (s) trainer (s) can run no more than two in any classic, it's a disgrace that a gobshite can run 6 or 7 in a Classic , seriously it's ruining the spectacle for everyone, it's just not fun to watch anymore , and who remembers wings of shite?
@@markperryman1797 AND then, those interviews , holy fuck
Beat duke of dollis!
7:36 The old boy in the background must be well rotted underground today......
Lol
Why would you say that ... in any case maybe he was cremated