Ash De la Flores isn’t there a horror game for the VR where the crux of the plot of the game is that you shot the dog from duck hunt? Becomes like a survival horror game
Man Duck hunt is great, you can get this game on the Wii U as well and use an accessory to make the wii mote a gun, works amazingly well for modern players.
Hopefully James and I get enough time someday to record Mario 3. For now, here's a live stream of the game I did if you're interested th-cam.com/video/t1fUmrR3n8k/w-d-xo.html
Lol, I wasn't able to play Duck Hunt for years. But 2 years ago I found a tv from the 80's in the attic of my grandpa's house, now it is one of my favourite NES games
I feel Mike's pain. When I first got my NES it came with Mario/Duck Hunt and my Dad got Three Stooges and Fester's Quest. Thank goodness my grandmother came through with Legend of Zelda for my birthday. I keep a CRTV around just for the lightgun games. Lethal Enforcer II and Duck Hunt are my favs. Some Hogan's Alley and Wild Gunman are also fun.
Three Stooges was one of my first NES games as well. What a disappointment. Same thing happened with Dick Tracy. Games I thought would be cool but ended up never getting put into my NES more than once. (as a kid anyhow) Wild Gunman is great "It's like a baby's toy!" but I think I prefer Gumshoe. Hogan's Alley is a classic. My girlfriend did a video about it if you want to check it out th-cam.com/video/BKPCu-CrlQs/w-d-xo.html I personally liked the section where you shoot the soup cans onto the platforms. Anyway, thanks for watching! -Mike
@@JamesNintendoNerd Three Stooges for the NES is actually a decent game. A series of mini games that was ahead of its time and captures the feel of the Stooges a lot better than many licensed 8 bit games attempted. It's unforgivingly difficult at points but it isn't made for the faint at heart especially like many games these days pretty much hold your hand throughout it.
It's funny to think about, but a lot of times it was just a roll of the dice if a game would be good or not. Personally, I just went by the cover of the box or had an idea of what it was like with games like Contra and Double Dragon. I got lucky for the most part, I onwed games like Batman, Contra, Double Dragon, Double Dragon II, Ninja Gaiden, some gmaes for my dad and I because he liked sports games, Bases Loaded, Double Dribble, Tecmo Bowl, games that I got just because they were marked down, What is it T&C Surf, Track and Field II....for the most part, yeah, the games were at least fun that I picked out. I didn't have reviews or Nintendo Power during the NES days, didn't get magazines like EGM until I had a Genesis and then Super Nintendo.
@@facepalmedgodzilla7999 I eventually got good at 3 Stooges but Fester's Quest and Thrilla Safari made you want to bang your head against a wall. A lot is personal taste. My friend had JAWS whichbI loved and he hated.
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How in hell can James shoot the ducks so easily while explaining other stuff??? I could barely shoot one with all brain cells focused on the game! LoL!
In the arcade version of Duck Hunt you can shoot the dog during the bonus rounds, but doing so ends the round (you still get points for how many ducks you hit, the level just ends early). Also the arcade version is better overall, since instead of having one static background for the whole game you actually alternate between shooting ducks, shooting clay pigeons, and playing the aforementioned bonus rounds where you must hit as many ducks as you can within a time limit, and occasionally you’ll also get a pac-man style intermission scene with the dog chasing after a Duck. You get a number of lives/chances rather than a quota, and each target that leaves the screen takes away 1 life. Its also possible to lose up to 3 lives at once in later levels where you must hit 3(!) onscreen targets per screen. (The dog holds duck # 3 on his head if you shoot all of them).
They're called clay pigeons because they are placeholders for pigeons. Around the times of the wild west, at gun shows/competitions they would release actual pigeons and compete in shooting them down.
Duck Hunt is probably calibrated to work best with a 19 or 21 inch TV. With larger TVs the white square becomes larger, which can cause the light to be less intense to the gun, which may be why it doesn't work right with some TVs.
@@Gam3B0y23r0 It's possible some screens and tubes would distort the colors enough that the gun wouldn't register. Maybe if the screen was too dim it wouldn't work right. Lots of things could affect it, but CRTs got bigger as the 90s progressed, I figured that explained why James had trouble with later TVs.
@Litigious Society actually now I "researched"(googled) it )))) we are both wrong.. it's about lag. old CRT tvs had very precise response time. but LCDs and even HD (new)CRTs don't have as reliable response time. (in AVGN James has newer CRT)
I'm in the throes of depression and have been for the better part of the year. In a dark place and giving up. Your videos are about the only thing keeping me sane. I've been a fan of AVGN for at least 10 years and really regret not getting to see James when he came to Dallas in 2012. I didn't like Mike at first cuz I just wanted James to do AVGN, but now I'd be pissed if Mike wasn't a part of the picture in some way. You guys are like old familiar friends, and I'm always glad when I realize it's Monday, or is about to be. I thank you two for what you do and wish you many more Mondays to come. Much love and respect to you guys. Cheers.
If you're playing two duck mode and using the light bulb trick, how does it know which duck you supposedly hit? Sounds like an urban legend to me, but I haven't looked into it.
It's probably bullshit. Logically the only way the game would know is if one of the hitboxes on the duck is different in size to the other. Not sure how it works but that's my guess.
@@BaconSenpai Box shapes got nothing to do with it. The gun senses how much of the screen has been drawn up when the pulse goes on, and then it calculates if that spot was where it flashed. This is why these games wont work on a modern TV, since the entire image is then shifted in one go.
@@BaconSenpai Close. The gun is photographing the whole screen and doing 2 things: 1. Is a white square centered in the photo? (hit vs miss) 2. Where are the other target/markers in relation to the centered one? (Target identification) The gun MUST see all targets, which is why putting the muzzle of the gun against the screen doesn't work.
The Zapper relies on a CRT because when you pull the trigger the Zapper detects no light at vblank (when the photon gun starts drawing the screen) then when the TV draws the white box for the particular duck, the gun detects it and the NES knows which scanline it was on. That's why a) you can't just point it at a light bulb and b) the NES knows which duck you shot.
I actually think you should play more common games like this. The episodes that are most interesting to me are when you play famous games like Punch Out, Mario, Zelda, this etc. But it doesn't have to be Nintendo necessarily. I like watching people play games that I'm more familiar with.
Yeah, the common games are common because they were the best games. For the most part. Of course the best games to play are the best games to watch them play as well.
honestly, i'd just like you guys to spend more than ONE sitting to BEAT a couple games. Like maybe think of some games James has always wanted to see the ending for, break it up into a top 5, and then go through them at your own speed kind of thing. I love the multi-part star wars N64 mini series you guys did, please do that some more, it'd be awesome to watch.
I think it's a solid fact we were all better NES players before age 15 than we are as adults. I still can't beat Kung Fu as an adult where I could as a kid.
You guys missed the two player mode in duck hunt!! In 1 duck mode, the other player can pick up controller one and control the duck. It becomes a bit of a duel versus mode at that point. It's not explained in game, but it is there and it's hilarious to play against someone.
Good to hear you guys mention playing with the gun itself with out the Nintendo. I think i may have clocked in more hours doing that then actually playing any of the light gun games growing up.
It's literally the most common cartridge ever produced. NES Romhacks, just use the duck hunt cartridges because it's cheaper than making new blank cartridges.
The version of combo cart (Mario/Duck Hunt vs Mario/Duck Hunt/WC Track Meet) depended on the edition of NES you got. "Action Set' had Mario/Duck Hunt, "Power Set" had Mario/Duck Hunt/ WC Track Meet and came with the power pad, "Challenge Set" came with Mario 3, "Deluxe Set" came with Duck Hunt and Gyromite on separate carts with R.O.B., and there was a "Sports Set" later on as well. The color of light gun depended on WHEN you bought your NES. The older ones with the grey and white Nintendo logo had a grey gun, while the newer ones with the gold labels (similar to the NES classic box) had the orange guns.... Also, the yellow label Metroid cart, and grey Zelda 1 and 2 carts were part of the Classics Series, and were re-releases later on in the lifespan of the NES...much like they had the "Nintendo Selects" for Wii U.
I have a 30 year old TV I use to play my classic consoles with. And it works really well with light gun games. Made it up to level 40 in Duck Hunt once, before having to go to school one morning. Remember my dad getting more and more angry with me. Aiming it with the sight on the gun does make you alot more accurate.
The lightgun is actually looking for the 1 pixel drawing each scanline on the frame when the trigger is pulled. The pixel is only lit when drawing the duck's white square and the game sees it. The game actually knows which duck/clay you shoot by knowing which pixel is being drawn on the screen at that moment.
My cousins had the NES when I was a kid. We used to play Duck Hunt and Super Mario Bros quite a bit. I remember that we would intentionally miss the ducks just so we could try to shoot the damn dog. I didn't know that the NES version of Duck Hunt was a port of the original arcade game until a few years ago. I wish that I could have had the opportunity to play the arcade version back in the day. PS: wouldn't it be hilarious to have an AVGN episode dedicated to Duck Hunt and see the Nerd just completely lose it over that bastard dog?
I would love to see you guys play the obvious classics, for sure. I watch for the personality, interesting information, old stories, etc. Not because the game may be kind of obscure.
The lightbulb trick makes sense when you realize how light guns have to work on CRTs and not modern TVs. Since CRTs refresh at 60Hz, it would have to be a standard light bulb that runs off of 60hz 120V AC power. The issue would be a 60Hz light bulb actually flickers 120 times a second, due to 2 cycle peaks per cycle.
Maybe the light bulb trick doesn't work now because back then we used incandescent bulbs? The modern fluorescent ones are actually kinda stroboscopic, we just feel like they glow consistently because their flickering is so fast our brain can't register it.
It's interesting to see a video in this style of Duck hunt. I saw this one guy who played the game with a modded light gun. Made the thing into a sniper rifle, and made the game childs play.
All the light guns were grey initially, then somebody got killed by pulling one on a cop at night. They changed them all to bright freakin orange after that... I always found the dog smiling while holding the ducks up to be absolutely hilarious. =)
OOOOOhhhhhhhhhh..... just got to the clay pigeon part & remembered one day at a buddy's house. He hunted for real & was trying to show me up... not only did I smoke him, I got to level 37 before missing one in a round! Really helps holding the gun in a tactical grip. =)
The gray gun came with the original NES set, the one that included ROB. The orange one came with the Action Set, which just came with the controllers, gun, and game cart.
when i was a kid, i discovered that if you put the gun in the exact center of the tv screen and pull the trigger, you hit both ducks now matter where they are on the screen.
The blue bar at the bottom shows how many you need to pass. THERE IS A TWO PLAYER MODE. Put it on single duck and player 2 can control the duck with the controller. On the arcade you CAN shoot the dog.
@Cinemassacre The light bulb trick DOESN'T work with the NES. It actually worked slightly differently than other light guns, and it was done intentionally to prevent you from using a light bulb to cheat. If memory serves, the Sega Master System light gun worked with the light bulb trick as well as Atari and pretty much any other forgotten console from the early 8-bit era that had a light gun.
@@Adahnone1 So what you're saying is that both ducks can be controlled on one controller, or are you saying to disconnect the second controller (the zapper) to control the other duck?
I wouldn't mind watching you guys play obvious games. You guys are always entertaining to watch and listen to, so it doesn't really matter to what you play imo. My one request would be Nemo in Dreamland on NES. Thanks for all you guys do!
I don't come to watch the games as much as I come to hear the stories and memories along with them. And the more "obvious " games must have a lot of memories too
Funnny to look back on the original Duck Hunt game when you consider that damn dog is a playable character in Smash Bros. It’s been a bit of a while, but did people react with disbelief the same way people did with Piranha Plant in Smash Ultimate?
he barely knows that the light gun/zappers even work...if you listen to him talk he makes it sound like all light guns are broken and dont work now all of a sudden..
There's this Russian Roulette game for NES that came out recently, it's a homebrew game and everything. I feel you guys would enjoy that. And you can play it on a modern TV because the game only utilizes the lightgun for the trigger. You don't need it pointed at the TV.
the light bulb trick don't work because, as soon as to hit the button one frame makes the screen all back so the gun has a "zero light" detected then the next frame has the white box then detects the light (or not) determining a hit or miss
I remember playing a 2-player game with the Zapper called "Gotcha! The Sport!" at a friend's house. It's super cheap now, but maybe it's as good as I remember.
Believe it or not, wrapping tape into a reverse roll and sticking it on the center of an old T.V. makes it where a person can hold the gun over the tape and effectively clear the screen every time.
The instruction manual says to be approx 6ft away. You were supposed to get back further if you had a larger TV because the bigger the screen the easier it was to make a hit. The way we had ours set up we couldn't quite reach 10ft back.
I introduced my 5 year old daughter to this game a week or two ago. She calls the clay pigeon mode "space ships." I don't want to ruin it for her, cause shooting space ships sounds way better than shooting clay pigeons.
I seem to remember, (I think it may have been on an old old arcade cabinet) that you could actually shoot the dog and it would come out on crutches. Maybe real, or maybe a dream or some kind of Mandela Effect.
I once bought a nes in a pawn shop and it the light gun worked perfectly on my t.v for some reason . it was an old toshiba and the gun games were so precise . its rly fun when it works properly , I made 23 perfect rounds of clay shooting !
How about playing "Boogerman" for Genesis or SNES! I'm honestly I'm a bit surprised you guys never played it on a J&MM yet, as it definitely seems like a perfect game for it! Here's some other suggestions for games to play for future J&MM episodes that I think would pretty interesting to watch and hear your opinions on...: "Powerstone 1 or 2" for Dreamcast, "Dynamite Heady", "Rocket Knight Adventures" , "General Chaos", or "Cyborg Justice" (All of these are for Genesis). That last one isn't very good, actually it's pretty bad... but definitely worth a look and a laugh. It's a wierd beat'em up game where you're a robot beating up other robots and you can cut off parts off other robots and attach them to yourself. I'd LOVE to hear what you guys think of E.V.O! It's very different and pretty original spin on the action RPG, you play as a creature through out different stages of time and as you gain experiance you "evolve" your character to have different characteristics. It's almost like the 16 bit version of "Spore". I very seldom hear people talk about it (Even in lists of best RPG's on SNES, which IMO it definitly belongs at least in the top 10..), and it's a shame since it's bloody brilliant concept for a game and is actually really well done considering what it's trying to do. I guess it's one of those sleeper hits, that just goes under the radar for most gamers.
That poster in the background of one of the most absurdly hard games EVER. The Simpson's games were so fucking hard that came out in the early 90's! Well ALL games were ridiculously hard back in the day in comparison to now. It wasn't that the AI was 'too smart' or that enemies were extremely difficult. No, no..it was the dreaded pits that always killed you in games back in the day! Missing by a millimeter results in instant death...over, and over, and over again! Mega Man is the major one I can think of where it was just so frustrating...which is what made Mega Man X a mind blowing game! You could actually cling to the walls..oh holy shit! haha...
Duck Hunt is awesome. Wish I still had my game and light gun, I got that Nintendo package with it for Xmas back then and we were so pumped, I still remember it clearly, what the new Nintendo smelled like and everything LOL.
I remember discovering that the second player controller controlled the ducks. I would hold it down with my toe and shot the ducks. The game never ends
Gumshoe is a stunningly tough zapper game that used to give my trigger finger bad blisters because you have to constantly shoot the gun, but to beat it is hugely satisfying. My favorite zapper game is Freedom Force, which surprisingly had graphical blood. Especially shocking is in Level 4, when you can shoot a little kid in the head and see him fall backward with a stream of blood tailing behind him. I can't believe that made it past the Nintendo censors.
I know I am going off topic now but I'd like to ask a question regarding the game I played on SNES I believe. It was a game where you are an alien and I think he was called Alex. It had the saddest soundtrack, which still echoes in my mind but there is no way to remember the name. Sorry again for being off topic and thanks!
There are indeed Duck Hunt tournaments, and it is at one of those tournaments that I was crowned the winner and the world champion and then later, duck hunt king of the world, and clay pigeon champion and duck hunt champion in both 1 and 2 duck modes with perfect runs so long they actually had to stop the tournament to crown me champion while I was still playing
In norway, kids usually had mario, tetris and nintendo world cup on one cartridge. I don't think I even tried duck hunt before I was over 20 years old. And I think the nostalgia is necessary to love it . freakin' americans with their guns... ;)
Everyone's was Super Mario and Dunk Hunt. It was like you never told people you had Tetris on Game Boy. Also... the pellets under the ducks killed bar. Is the game over indicator.
I have been playing Duck Season with my Vive on PC. It's a dark version of Duck Hunt in VR and you play it from a perspective of a young kid playing it on a console in his living room. It gets really weird. The dog is evil.
Super Mario Lost Levels would be awesome to see you guys do. The later levels are so crazy unique it almost seems like they are fanmade and not from an official game.
I LOVE the Obvious do more Obvious I love hearing you nerds tell your personal experiences I was 6 when I played super Mario bros duck hunt Duck tales chip and dale RR And megaman
Now that you got a good TV working for the zapper you should play To The Earth, it's a really good space shooter with the light gun. Actually I'd say it's the best light gun game on the NES (which isn't saying much because there's like around 4 I believe).
My Metorid came in that Yellow box. It was the Player's Choice re-release or something. Same thing with my Zelda and Zelda II, boxes were gold but the cartridges were grey.
Hey James can you make some AVGN episodes on some of these games or game series please? 1:Thomas the Tank Engine on SNES 2:Nicktoons Racing 3:Spider-Man games on PlayStation 4:All of the Super Smash Bros Games 5:The Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess 6:Hell’s Kitchen on Wii 7:Sonic 4 Episodes 1 and 2 8:Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival 9:Bubsy the Woolies Strike Back 10:Sonic Forces
Here's why the lightbulb won't work: there are TWO ducks. If the bulb was seen as a duck, how would it know which duck was shot? The gun would try to photograph multiple white squares on a dark background. By detecting that one was mostly "centered" on the dark background AND its relation in position to the other white squares in its peripheral vision, it knew if it was aimed correctly and WHICH target was hit.
No matter what kind of person you are, you tried to shoot the dog.
Nope :›
Ash De la Flores isn’t there a horror game for the VR where the crux of the plot of the game is that you shot the dog from duck hunt? Becomes like a survival horror game
Yup
In smash I target anyone who chooses the little shit
Yes
Fun Fact: Player 2 can actually control the duck.
Oh fuck that.
I remember that
Totally forgot about that.
No fukin way.....
I don't think a lot of people knew about that
Man Duck hunt is great, you can get this game on the Wii U as well and use an accessory to make the wii mote a gun, works amazingly well for modern players.
Who else used to blow on the tip of the gun after each successful round?
We should start a club. It would be very elite. ;)
Me my mom said what are you doing
Only if I got a perfect.
skins4thewin Too many people blow the tip these days, the mystique is gone
I do that every time I play.
Yes Mike and James Monday with Mario Bros 3 😁
Hopefully James and I get enough time someday to record Mario 3. For now, here's a live stream of the game I did if you're interested th-cam.com/video/t1fUmrR3n8k/w-d-xo.html
@@JamesNintendoNerd Awesome
Good luck with that. I'm still looking forward to Sonic 3, as they mentioned when they played Sonic 2!
😗
It took almost two years. I got not regrets.
Lol, I wasn't able to play Duck Hunt for years. But 2 years ago I found a tv from the 80's in the attic of my grandpa's house, now it is one of my favourite NES games
You would like the game gumshoe
@@JonGee420 I like trick shooting too.
All gamers should hang onto a tube tv or 2 because of this.
I feel Mike's pain. When I first got my NES it came with Mario/Duck Hunt and my Dad got Three Stooges and Fester's Quest. Thank goodness my grandmother came through with Legend of Zelda for my birthday.
I keep a CRTV around just for the lightgun games. Lethal Enforcer II and Duck Hunt are my favs. Some Hogan's Alley and Wild Gunman are also fun.
Three Stooges was one of my first NES games as well. What a disappointment. Same thing happened with Dick Tracy. Games I thought would be cool but ended up never getting put into my NES more than once. (as a kid anyhow)
Wild Gunman is great "It's like a baby's toy!" but I think I prefer Gumshoe. Hogan's Alley is a classic. My girlfriend did a video about it if you want to check it out th-cam.com/video/BKPCu-CrlQs/w-d-xo.html
I personally liked the section where you shoot the soup cans onto the platforms. Anyway, thanks for watching! -Mike
@@JamesNintendoNerd Three Stooges for the NES is actually a decent game. A series of mini games that was ahead of its time and captures the feel of the Stooges a lot better than many licensed 8 bit games attempted. It's unforgivingly difficult at points but it isn't made for the faint at heart especially like many games these days pretty much hold your hand throughout it.
I had Fester's Quest and thought it was alright!
It's funny to think about, but a lot of times it was just a roll of the dice if a game would be good or not. Personally, I just went by the cover of the box or had an idea of what it was like with games like Contra and Double Dragon. I got lucky for the most part, I onwed games like Batman, Contra, Double Dragon, Double Dragon II, Ninja Gaiden, some gmaes for my dad and I because he liked sports games, Bases Loaded, Double Dribble, Tecmo Bowl, games that I got just because they were marked down, What is it T&C Surf, Track and Field II....for the most part, yeah, the games were at least fun that I picked out. I didn't have reviews or Nintendo Power during the NES days, didn't get magazines like EGM until I had a Genesis and then Super Nintendo.
@@facepalmedgodzilla7999
I eventually got good at 3 Stooges but Fester's Quest and Thrilla Safari made you want to bang your head against a wall. A lot is personal taste. My friend had JAWS whichbI loved and he hated.
How in hell can James shoot the ducks so easily while explaining other stuff??? I could barely shoot one with all brain cells focused on the game! LoL!
Yes! Exactly my thought hahah
It's not that hard if you aim it properly with the built in sights. In my experience anyway.
coz he's Avgn. A legend :D shortly explained xD
You were the one that ate the crayons huh...
it all depends how shitty your gun is...that frustration!
I'm so glad you guys are still going strong after all these years. Much love and respect to the whole Cinemassacre crew :)
Mario brothers 1,2,3 would be awesome.
Honestly. They should play super mario all stars. That game was so much fun growing up.
They've done Mario 2. It was the Japanese Doki Doki Panic but its the same game.
Angry Video Game Nerd did Mario 3. Shit went down...
Yeah smb....no way. Overplayed.
It's SUPER Mario Bros. idiots! Mario Bros. is a completely different game.
In the arcade version of Duck Hunt you can shoot the dog during the bonus rounds, but doing so ends the round (you still get points for how many ducks you hit, the level just ends early). Also the arcade version is better overall, since instead of having one static background for the whole game you actually alternate between shooting ducks, shooting clay pigeons, and playing the aforementioned bonus rounds where you must hit as many ducks as you can within a time limit, and occasionally you’ll also get a pac-man style intermission scene with the dog chasing after a Duck. You get a number of lives/chances rather than a quota, and each target that leaves the screen takes away 1 life. Its also possible to lose up to 3 lives at once in later levels where you must hit 3(!) onscreen targets per screen. (The dog holds duck # 3 on his head if you shoot all of them).
This is the only game we couldn't beat our dads as kids, because they were hobbyist hunters and were so good at shooting.
They're called clay pigeons because they are placeholders for pigeons. Around the times of the wild west, at gun shows/competitions they would release actual pigeons and compete in shooting them down.
Duck Hunt is probably calibrated to work best with a 19 or 21 inch TV. With larger TVs the white square becomes larger, which can cause the light to be less intense to the gun, which may be why it doesn't work right with some TVs.
For this video we used my 20 inch PVM monitor. Thanks for checking out the video! -Mike
actually it's about curved screen.
old CRT tvs had curved screens, and that's what it is callibrated.
@@Gam3B0y23r0 It's possible some screens and tubes would distort the colors enough that the gun wouldn't register. Maybe if the screen was too dim it wouldn't work right. Lots of things could affect it, but CRTs got bigger as the 90s progressed, I figured that explained why James had trouble with later TVs.
@Litigious Society
actually now I "researched"(googled) it )))) we are both wrong.. it's about lag.
old CRT tvs had very precise response time. but LCDs and even HD (new)CRTs don't have as reliable response time.
(in AVGN James has newer CRT)
Holyshit
...oh my god that explains a lot. We had one of those big ass wooden cabinet TVs ... It never worked.
I'm in the throes of depression and have been for the better part of the year. In a dark place and giving up. Your videos are about the only thing keeping me sane. I've been a fan of AVGN for at least 10 years and really regret not getting to see James when he came to Dallas in 2012. I didn't like Mike at first cuz I just wanted James to do AVGN, but now I'd be pissed if Mike wasn't a part of the picture in some way. You guys are like old familiar friends, and I'm always glad when I realize it's Monday, or is about to be. I thank you two for what you do and wish you many more Mondays to come. Much love and respect to you guys. Cheers.
Hope you're doing well mate
If you're playing two duck mode and using the light bulb trick, how does it know which duck you supposedly hit? Sounds like an urban legend to me, but I haven't looked into it.
It's probably bullshit. Logically the only way the game would know is if one of the hitboxes on the duck is different in size to the other. Not sure how it works but that's my guess.
@@BaconSenpai Box shapes got nothing to do with it. The gun senses how much of the screen has been drawn up when the pulse goes on, and then it calculates if that spot was where it flashed. This is why these games wont work on a modern TV, since the entire image is then shifted in one go.
@@BaconSenpai Close. The gun is photographing the whole screen and doing 2 things:
1. Is a white square centered in the photo? (hit vs miss)
2. Where are the other target/markers in relation to the centered one? (Target identification)
The gun MUST see all targets, which is why putting the muzzle of the gun against the screen doesn't work.
oh and yeah, the light bulb trick is 100% Grade-A Bullshit
Icarus Putting the gun dead on the screen does work. This was exactly the method I used to cheat my ass off.
The Zapper relies on a CRT because when you pull the trigger the Zapper detects no light at vblank (when the photon gun starts drawing the screen) then when the TV draws the white box for the particular duck, the gun detects it and the NES knows which scanline it was on. That's why a) you can't just point it at a light bulb and b) the NES knows which duck you shot.
I actually think you should play more common games like this. The episodes that are most interesting to me are when you play famous games like Punch Out, Mario, Zelda, this etc. But it doesn't have to be Nintendo necessarily. I like watching people play games that I'm more familiar with.
Yeah, the common games are common because they were the best games. For the most part. Of course the best games to play are the best games to watch them play as well.
Same here. I hardly ever watch videos of games that I know absolutely nothing about just because I wouldn't know how to comment on them.
honestly, i'd just like you guys to spend more than ONE sitting to BEAT a couple games. Like maybe think of some games James has always wanted to see the ending for, break it up into a top 5, and then go through them at your own speed kind of thing. I love the multi-part star wars N64 mini series you guys did, please do that some more, it'd be awesome to watch.
I wish there was some sort of back story that would explain how the dog and one of the ducks got to be pals in SSB!
They found a duckling. Felt bad. And raised it. And gave up hunting. My headcanon now.
james: *shoots both ducks behind the tree*
- 1 minute later -
james: “can you shoot the ducks through the tree?”
I guess that's a good example of post-processing.
I went back and played Mario 1 a few weeks ago. Let’s just say I was a lot better when I was 9.
Still not bad though :›
Honestly. I feel like most of our brains remember how to play it so it can't surprise us anymore.
I think it's a solid fact we were all better NES players before age 15 than we are as adults. I still can't beat Kung Fu as an adult where I could as a kid.
Playing the SNES version for so long makes the NES version harder to play.
SUPER Mario Bros. Mario Bros. Is like Donkey Kong, a completely different game. Damn, how young are all these commenters?!!!
You guys missed the two player mode in duck hunt!!
In 1 duck mode, the other player can pick up controller one and control the duck. It becomes a bit of a duel versus mode at that point. It's not explained in game, but it is there and it's hilarious to play against someone.
Good to hear you guys mention playing with the gun itself with out the Nintendo. I think i may have clocked in more hours doing that then actually playing any of the light gun games growing up.
The best part of every Monday! You guys should definitely play Mario Bros.
yea or even kirby dream course i think its playable on the snes classic
Awesome! Its not “too common” i love watching you guys play classic retro games! Do SMB! Go through every NES, SNES, GENESIS you have!
It's literally the most common cartridge ever produced. NES Romhacks, just use the duck hunt cartridges because it's cheaper than making new blank cartridges.
The version of combo cart (Mario/Duck Hunt vs Mario/Duck Hunt/WC Track Meet) depended on the edition of NES you got. "Action Set' had Mario/Duck Hunt, "Power Set" had Mario/Duck Hunt/ WC Track Meet and came with the power pad, "Challenge Set" came with Mario 3, "Deluxe Set" came with Duck Hunt and Gyromite on separate carts with R.O.B., and there was a "Sports Set" later on as well. The color of light gun depended on WHEN you bought your NES. The older ones with the grey and white Nintendo logo had a grey gun, while the newer ones with the gold labels (similar to the NES classic box) had the orange guns....
Also, the yellow label Metroid cart, and grey Zelda 1 and 2 carts were part of the Classics Series, and were re-releases later on in the lifespan of the NES...much like they had the "Nintendo Selects" for Wii U.
I have a 30 year old TV I use to play my classic consoles with. And it works really well with light gun games. Made it up to level 40 in Duck Hunt once, before having to go to school one morning. Remember my dad getting more and more angry with me. Aiming it with the sight on the gun does make you alot more accurate.
I of course had Duck Hunt, but I liked to also play Operation Wolf with the Zapper. I was sad that it did not work with The Untouchables.
Fucking Operation Wolf!! Hell yeah!
Nice mention on Operation Wolf, I believe you could also use the Zapper on The Adventures of Bayou Billy👍
Yes, you guys should start playing more of the "obvious ones". Everyone loves the classics.
Now time to follow this up by playing "Duck Season" in VR!
The lightgun is actually looking for the 1 pixel drawing each scanline on the frame when the trigger is pulled. The pixel is only lit when drawing the duck's white square and the game sees it. The game actually knows which duck/clay you shoot by knowing which pixel is being drawn on the screen at that moment.
No, there are several ways to play it on LCD TV! Check my most recent episode to see it.
I remember blasting the dog in the arcades as a kid. The dog would dive around in the grass with the ducks...
My cousins had the NES when I was a kid. We used to play Duck Hunt and Super Mario Bros quite a bit. I remember that we would intentionally miss the ducks just so we could try to shoot the damn dog. I didn't know that the NES version of Duck Hunt was a port of the original arcade game until a few years ago. I wish that I could have had the opportunity to play the arcade version back in the day.
PS: wouldn't it be hilarious to have an AVGN episode dedicated to Duck Hunt and see the Nerd just completely lose it over that bastard dog?
I would love to see you guys play the obvious classics, for sure. I watch for the personality, interesting information, old stories, etc. Not because the game may be kind of obscure.
A true classic. Everybody should play this one!
The lightbulb trick makes sense when you realize how light guns have to work on CRTs and not modern TVs. Since CRTs refresh at 60Hz, it would have to be a standard light bulb that runs off of 60hz 120V AC power. The issue would be a 60Hz light bulb actually flickers 120 times a second, due to 2 cycle peaks per cycle.
Maybe the light bulb trick doesn't work now because back then we used incandescent bulbs? The modern fluorescent ones are actually kinda stroboscopic, we just feel like they glow consistently because their flickering is so fast our brain can't register it.
do burger time on intellivision 2! i still play that sometimes
that heap of shit with the weird controller?
I remember playing that on the MSX 30 years ago. Crazy.
Or Dungeons and Dragons, the "mountains" one. I love that one.
As someone from the UK who had a ZX Spectrum and then an Amiga growing up, I love seeing these old console games.
Am I the only one who always thought the duck's 'clucking' sounded more like a dog lightly barking?
It's interesting to see a video in this style of Duck hunt. I saw this one guy who played the game with a modded light gun. Made the thing into a sniper rifle, and made the game childs play.
All the light guns were grey initially, then somebody got killed by pulling one on a cop at night. They changed them all to bright freakin orange after that...
I always found the dog smiling while holding the ducks up to be absolutely hilarious. =)
OOOOOhhhhhhhhhh..... just got to the clay pigeon part & remembered one day at a buddy's house. He hunted for real & was trying to show me up... not only did I smoke him, I got to level 37 before missing one in a round! Really helps holding the gun in a tactical grip. =)
You guys did chiller..... with D-pads. Even though it’s the only NES game you can use 2 zappers simultaneously with.
Mike is super casual about the existence of duck hunt tournaments. Now I have to start going to cons : )
Super Mario Bros 1 and duck Hunt Pellet Shot are so nostalgic for me. I love these episode I wish they were happening still.
The gray gun came with the original NES set, the one that included ROB. The orange one came with the Action Set, which just came with the controllers, gun, and game cart.
when i was a kid, i discovered that if you put the gun in the exact center of the tv screen and pull the trigger, you hit both ducks now matter where they are on the screen.
The blue bar at the bottom shows how many you need to pass.
THERE IS A TWO PLAYER MODE. Put it on single duck and player 2 can control the duck with the controller.
On the arcade you CAN shoot the dog.
Imagine an actual clay mould of a pigeon tumbling through the air.
I was a dumb kid. Whenever the dog held up a duck: I thought he had a banjo. And when he laughed? I figured he was washing his face
@Cinemassacre The light bulb trick DOESN'T work with the NES. It actually worked slightly differently than other light guns, and it was done intentionally to prevent you from using a light bulb to cheat. If memory serves, the Sega Master System light gun worked with the light bulb trick as well as Atari and pretty much any other forgotten console from the early 8-bit era that had a light gun.
Guys. This was one of the best ones I've seen anyway. You'd so many stories and memories. More main stream games. Nothing wrong with it.
Yeah you guys should totally do more "common" games. I love your guy's take and commentary on games of all kind.
Good video yall! You two are very entertaining people.
I had this and Super Mario Bros on the same cartridge as well. I used to play skeet shooting and pretend I was shooting down UFOs.
I loved playing clay shooting as a kid. I used to like to wait for the second one to get really small and shoot it just before it hits the ground.
Playing 1 duck mode someone can control it via the controller in port 1, so there is technical a 2 player mode
That's something I'm amazed more people don't know about.
You can play both ducks with controllers.
@@Adahnone1 Not both ducks, just one
@@knightmare6461 Just try it.
@@Adahnone1 So what you're saying is that both ducks can be controlled on one controller, or are you saying to disconnect the second controller (the zapper) to control the other duck?
I wouldn't mind watching you guys play obvious games. You guys are always entertaining to watch and listen to, so it doesn't really matter to what you play imo.
My one request would be Nemo in Dreamland on NES.
Thanks for all you guys do!
I don't come to watch the games as much as I come to hear the stories and memories along with them. And the more "obvious " games must have a lot of memories too
Actually I'd prefer the obvious games. I am 30 so nes was slightly before me so when I played it at friends we played the more obviouse games
Funnny to look back on the original Duck Hunt game when you consider that damn dog is a playable character in Smash Bros. It’s been a bit of a while, but did people react with disbelief the same way people did with Piranha Plant in Smash Ultimate?
Did you know you played with the second controller to control the duck? Can't believe you guys didn't do that!
he barely knows that the light gun/zappers even work...if you listen to him talk he makes it sound like all light guns are broken and dont work now all of a sudden..
There's this Russian Roulette game for NES that came out recently, it's a homebrew game and everything. I feel you guys would enjoy that. And you can play it on a modern TV because the game only utilizes the lightgun for the trigger. You don't need it pointed at the TV.
Thank you guys for making chill videos like these. Appreciate you always making me laugh
the light bulb trick don't work because, as soon as to hit the button one frame makes the screen all back so the gun has a "zero light" detected then the next frame has the white box then detects the light (or not) determining a hit or miss
I remember playing a 2-player game with the Zapper called "Gotcha! The Sport!" at a friend's house. It's super cheap now, but maybe it's as good as I remember.
Lol, of course I post this before I get to the part where James mentions it.
Believe it or not, wrapping tape into a reverse roll and sticking it on the center of an old T.V. makes it where a person can hold the gun over the tape and effectively clear the screen every time.
I forget how good the build quality is of the light gun. Those pull trigger clicks are like old IBM keyboard clicks.
The instruction manual says to be approx 6ft away. You were supposed to get back further if you had a larger TV because the bigger the screen the easier it was to make a hit. The way we had ours set up we couldn't quite reach 10ft back.
I introduced my 5 year old daughter to this game a week or two ago. She calls the clay pigeon mode "space ships." I don't want to ruin it for her, cause shooting space ships sounds way better than shooting clay pigeons.
I seem to remember, (I think it may have been on an old old arcade cabinet) that you could actually shoot the dog and it would come out on crutches. Maybe real, or maybe a dream or some kind of Mandela Effect.
I was too good at that game so I would sit as far as possible from the tv to snipe the ducks lol. Good old time.
I once bought a nes in a pawn shop and it the light gun worked perfectly on my t.v for some reason . it was an old toshiba and the gun games were so precise . its rly fun when it works properly , I made 23 perfect rounds of clay shooting !
How about playing "Boogerman" for Genesis or SNES! I'm honestly I'm a bit surprised you guys never played it on a J&MM yet, as it definitely seems like a perfect game for it!
Here's some other suggestions for games to play for future J&MM episodes that I think would pretty interesting to watch and hear your opinions on...: "Powerstone 1 or 2" for Dreamcast, "Dynamite Heady", "Rocket Knight Adventures" , "General Chaos", or "Cyborg Justice" (All of these are for Genesis). That last one isn't very good, actually it's pretty bad... but definitely worth a look and a laugh. It's a wierd beat'em up game where you're a robot beating up other robots and you can cut off parts off other robots and attach them to yourself.
I'd LOVE to hear what you guys think of E.V.O! It's very different and pretty original spin on the action RPG, you play as a creature through out different stages of time and as you gain experiance you "evolve" your character to have different characteristics. It's almost like the 16 bit version of "Spore". I very seldom hear people talk about it (Even in lists of best RPG's on SNES, which IMO it definitly belongs at least in the top 10..), and it's a shame since it's bloody brilliant concept for a game and is actually really well done considering what it's trying to do. I guess it's one of those sleeper hits, that just goes under the radar for most gamers.
this is the kind of games i want to see you guys play. when are we getting the 3 hour zelda series?!
"Too The Earth" was one tough prick of a light gun game; anyone know what i'm talking about
That poster in the background of one of the most absurdly hard games EVER. The Simpson's games were so fucking hard that came out in the early 90's! Well ALL games were ridiculously hard back in the day in comparison to now. It wasn't that the AI was 'too smart' or that enemies were extremely difficult. No, no..it was the dreaded pits that always killed you in games back in the day! Missing by a millimeter results in instant death...over, and over, and over again! Mega Man is the major one I can think of where it was just so frustrating...which is what made Mega Man X a mind blowing game! You could actually cling to the walls..oh holy shit! haha...
james talking natually while hitting two ducks at once lmao
Duck Hunt is awesome. Wish I still had my game and light gun, I got that Nintendo package with it for Xmas back then and we were so pumped, I still remember it clearly, what the new Nintendo smelled like and everything LOL.
My grandma got freaked out when she saw our Sony Trinitron tv flashed so bright and loud whenever I try to hit that freakin' duck.
I remember discovering that the second player controller controlled the ducks. I would hold it down with my toe and shot the ducks. The game never ends
I didnt realize until almost the end was the duck sprite in the back
Gumshoe is a stunningly tough zapper game that used to give my trigger finger bad blisters because you have to constantly shoot the gun, but to beat it is hugely satisfying. My favorite zapper game is Freedom Force, which surprisingly had graphical blood. Especially shocking is in Level 4, when you can shoot a little kid in the head and see him fall backward with a stream of blood tailing behind him. I can't believe that made it past the Nintendo censors.
This is definitely classic and grew up playing Duck Hunt on Nintendo. Thank you for uploading the video and enjoy seeing the videos on TH-cam.
I know I am going off topic now but I'd like to ask a question regarding the game I played on SNES I believe. It was a game where you are an alien and I think he was called Alex. It had the saddest soundtrack, which still echoes in my mind but there is no way to remember the name. Sorry again for being off topic and thanks!
The spring brings back so much memories.
There are indeed Duck Hunt tournaments, and it is at one of those tournaments that I was crowned the winner and the world champion and then later, duck hunt king of the world, and clay pigeon champion and duck hunt champion in both 1 and 2 duck modes with perfect runs so long they actually had to stop the tournament to crown me champion while I was still playing
Pics or gtfo
In norway, kids usually had mario, tetris and nintendo world cup on one cartridge. I don't think I even tried duck hunt before I was over 20 years old. And I think the nostalgia is necessary to love it . freakin' americans with their guns... ;)
Everyone's was Super Mario and Dunk Hunt. It was like you never told people you had Tetris on Game Boy. Also... the pellets under the ducks killed bar. Is the game over indicator.
I have been playing Duck Season with my Vive on PC. It's a dark version of Duck Hunt in VR and you play it from a perspective of a young kid playing it on a console in his living room. It gets really weird. The dog is evil.
Super Mario Lost Levels would be awesome to see you guys do. The later levels are so crazy unique it almost seems like they are fanmade and not from an official game.
Look up the Super Mario 4 Rambo episode.
The zapper was originally grey, but Nintendo quickly changed it to orange because some parents were concerned about it resembling a "real gun".
I LOVE the Obvious do more Obvious
I love hearing you nerds tell your personal experiences
I was 6 when I played super Mario bros duck hunt
Duck tales chip and dale RR
And megaman
Now that you got a good TV working for the zapper you should play To The Earth, it's a really good space shooter with the light gun. Actually I'd say it's the best light gun game on the NES (which isn't saying much because there's like around 4 I believe).
My Metorid came in that Yellow box. It was the Player's Choice re-release or something. Same thing with my Zelda and Zelda II, boxes were gold but the cartridges were grey.
We use to adjust the color and or hue settings to the point were as long as you were pointing at the screen you would hit every time.
Hey James can you make some AVGN episodes on some of these games or game series please?
1:Thomas the Tank Engine on SNES
2:Nicktoons Racing
3:Spider-Man games on PlayStation
4:All of the Super Smash Bros Games
5:The Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess
6:Hell’s Kitchen on Wii
7:Sonic 4 Episodes 1 and 2
8:Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival
9:Bubsy the Woolies Strike Back
10:Sonic Forces
Twilight Princess was actually good... what is there to complain about?
Nothing, I just thought James can play some of these games since he played some good ones in some AVGN episodes.
2:40 I have both grey and orange. Got the grey one from an old electronics store
Here's why the lightbulb won't work: there are TWO ducks. If the bulb was seen as a duck, how would it know which duck was shot?
The gun would try to photograph multiple white squares on a dark background. By detecting that one was mostly "centered" on the dark background AND its relation in position to the other white squares in its peripheral vision, it knew if it was aimed correctly and WHICH target was hit.