I bought this bass at the very start of the year. And mine came with the other design of bolt on. As in it has the 7 screw setup. Never had a problem. I actually really like the design and it helps getting to the higher frets.
This is a real good reminder as to why it's nice to have walk in music shops. When all you can see is a pretty picture on a website and cannot feel or hear the instrument you are purchasing, it's either listen to the Lobster or take your chances.
thomann has usually metal jazz and funk sound samples for most their based online, not ideal but a good general idea plus of course the few decent bass channels like the lobster
Thanks Keith! Indeed, I thought the "solo bassist" target was pretty spot on tonally, though I don't think you'd want to deal with those ergonomics in a solo bass situation - I wouldn't!
I'd be alright with it cause I just put weights in neck-divers. My main issue is the 5 string doesn't come in this colour! Also the neck heel seems thick for that area. Surprised that the neck is nice cause I have a Gear4Music Harlem V bass and the neck is abysmal - poorly-fitted frets, dry as hell fretboard, inconsistent thickness, rough finish, etc. I got it as a mod platform and intended to replace the neck from the start so it doesn't matter but it's a shame the neck once removed is best used as a club.
I have the 5 string Coliseum with the type of neck joint as shown in the website pictures. No stability issues there at all and makes upper fret access very comfortable. There are, of course, indicators of the budget nature of the instrument - the hardware isn’t high quality, though serves its purpose. There are also some blemishes to the finish around the input and neck pocket. All in all a remarkable buy for the price. I got it to try out living with a multi scale without breaking the bank. It’s a keeper for me, but has also convinced me to custom build myself a “shortened multi scale” to provide even more ergonomic comfort to me as I endeavour to continue playing bass as long as possible without surrendering to arthritis and tendonitis!
The pickup configuration here is probably imitating Dingwall NG series, with no real neck pickup but rather a bridge and the middle one. So it is probably designed for more higher register string noise... which works really nice in metal genre, with some heavy, distorted bass tone. Great review as always! I also was really curious if I want this Redsub... But fortunately, my Dingwall sounds awesome ^^
Great review. Bought one 2 weeks ago, 7 screws on back, so access to higher frets is perfect, also string spacing is very comfortable for my taste, and I play slap a loooot, so it's a preference thing. Tuners, nut, knobs and strings are shitty, replace them as soon as You can. In future I plan to invest in better electronics, maybe Darkglass preamp- it's super comfortable for me and sounds great so I think it's worth it. From all thing they could cut corners in this price range hardware is best way- it's easiest to replace.
@@LowEndLobster Yes, Gears4Music. Despite lacking in finish in some places I really enjoy this guitar (it's my fifth bass so far, to point that I'm planning to sell my old Precission bass and invest some of that money in electronics. I don't have much experience in replacing preamps or pickups, but which one would You recommend to upgrade first? I think Darkglass tone capsule is go-to choice in that dingwall-style bass...
@@Klejpull123 I think the Tone capsule and some EMGs would be a great combo. I'm just perplexed as to why we got one version of the bass and you got another. Anyhow, hop on our discord channel and post some pics! happy modding :)
@@LowEndLobster Little Update on my Coliseum 6- I followed Your advise (at least first half of it) and installed Tone Capsule. Best decision ever, it gained so much air and clarity that I don't know if I need to change pickups anymore... Just joking, of course I won't stop toying with that bass, I already has chosen sweet custom humbucks with splitting coils switch, but It sounds great already ;)
Buying an instrument like this online without actually holding it or feeling it makes me crazy! Manufacturing techniques these days allow for beautiful "looking" instruments, but it's the sound that's critically important. The website description of this instrument and the actual product discrepancy makes buying online scary for me. I prefer going to an actual store. Remember stores? Great review...I appreciate your opinion a lot!
It does seem a pity they didn't spend a bit moor money and time in making it better. In looking for a 5 string fan fret. I ended up getting a 6 string. A Ibanez SRFF806 that was for sale on Marktplaats for a bit. There wore some stupid low bids put on it but it was gust not selling. I decided I would give it a tray and gave him a fair price for it. I was afraid the neck would be to wide for me to play, but it has a perfect perfect shape for me. Its a great bass, don't regret getting it!
I have the 7 screw neck version. Got it like the week it came out I think? I'm pretty sure my fretboard is different wood also? Much darker. I absolutely LOVE this bass! It's definitely not for everyone, but for my needs of extreme metal in ridiculously low tunings this is perfect if you can't afford a Dingwall.
This review couldn't have been more perfectly timed as I had just discovered the 5-string version, and at £319 was seriously considering adding it to my 5-string shortlist. I think I'll spend the extra £70 and get the Sterling Sub Ray5 that is currently top of that list (I'm on a very strict budget!)
Thank you for the review! As a Thunderbird player, those playability issues aren't of great concern to be honest. I like how it looks, I like what it sounds like, and I love what it costs... Great option for us too poor for a Dingwall D-Roc!
@@LowEndLobster I went with another one. I already had a Dingwall Combustion 5 and since I got the EHB, I wished the Dingwall would have the Nordstrand pickups from the EHB. But Vice Versa I wished the EHB would have the scale lenght of the Dingwall.... ...Now I found the ESP LTD B-1005 MS. 37" with Nordstrand BigSplits. It will arrive mid of next week. I am excited.
@@Insoma VERY nice! Can't wait to see your vid on it. Hoping to snag a second older Dingwall NG2 with the square DC40 sized pickups for..... fishmans.... ;P
Nice review! I have the 7 bolt variety of this bass and it’s perfectly sturdy and seems very surprisingly robust. I play bass in a metal band and my bandmates love the sound from this thing, as do I. Gotta be said I did have to do some work to it before playing, for example the obligatory truss rod and intonation adjustment, but also the frets on the bottom of the neck were sharp, sharp enough to quite literally shred my hand when I was first trying it. Personally I quite like the EQ, the pickup knob is fairly useless but the equaliser works a treat and I can find almost exactly the tone I want just by fiddling with the EQ. Tuners are a thing I’ve seen a lot of in this comment section and I have to agree, they’re not the best. I’ve had no issues personally, but the placement is a bit cramped for my liking and the C tuner feels a bit scratchy. As for string placing, I’m a guitar player mainly so the closeness of the strings aren’t a problem for me and actually makes it more playable for me, but I do understand that it makes it very cramped on the lower frets especially when stringskipping frequently. I personally feel I have got my money’s worth as I really do like this bass, but I do understand the complaints as I myself had to do quite a lot to make it playable for me. Again, awesome review 👍
Just picked up a B stock from manufacturer which needs a new nut, for £110 ($155). I've had one before and sold it for QC issues but I could not miss it so cheap. Will replace nut and consider upgrading EQ. Also it has the correct neck cutaway not the absolute chonk you got (never seen any others like that). Give me a few weeks and I'll get a video up.
Awesome! Def post the vid on my discord channel too :). Yeah man, the more of these I see with the neck attachment shown on the website, the more I wonder about the one I got ahahaha
Hi Lobster Bit late to the party but I just got the G4M 972 5 string a few weeks ago and I’ve got to say I’m really quite happy with it for the price I paid. I understand if you are outside the UK that shipping has to factor in but I got it next day delivery for a measly £1 (99p actually)! So £280.98 all in. I believe that G4M has started making these new lines in a different factory (Music Zoo?) and they are said to be improved from the Red Sub Colliseums. I don’t know how much improved as it’s almost identical to yours except mine has the 7 bolts. And a black headstock with the red G4M logo. Hardware is still pants (the saddle adjustment screws sockets were rounded out so you couldn’t turn them with your allen key) but for another couple of quid I bought M2.5 x 8mm grub screws and just replaced them. Yeah tuners aren’t the best but TBF have still held their tune over a couple of weeks. The body isn’t bad and balances ok when you’re sitting and there’s no neck dive standing. If I were to be completely honest if there was a different shaped body I’d have had that one. I’m not a soloist so I’m quite happy not playing at the top of the neck but I understand if that and the 16.5mm string spacing would put off many people. To me the massive redeeming feature is the neck. It’s beautiful. Straight as a die out the box and minimal setup once I sorted the saddle screws. Truss rod appears OK. The frets are really well finished no sprout and are like that all the way up the neck and the roasted maple is a lovely touch. The strings are surprisingly good (don’t know the make) I was going to swap them as soon as I got it but that’s gone on the back burner for now. The low B as with any MS is really defined and other strings too are well nice. Not a fan of the pickup position. I like my neck pickup to be, well, in the neck region. So, I’m going to mod it and add a 3rd pickup in the next few months. I’ll then replace the blend knob with a 6 position switch and probably upgrade the pre. Might sand off the burl veneer (it is actually veneer) and refinish with headstock to a different colour. TBH it’s a bit of a mishmash, a Curate’s Egg if you like. It has some great features but a lot of downsides. That aside for an introduction to a MS bass, for the price there is nothing out there that will beat it. Harley Benton don’t appear to be resurrecting their fanned fret yet and the (cheapish) Cort A5 Beyond is 3+ times the price in the UK and Ibbys and Dingwalls well into the thousands. When I’ve upgraded it I’ll PM you on TB and we can have a laugh at my failure, like your RB-414 or maybe if it’s a success we can have a virtual beer. Then I’ll get bored of it and move onto something else. 🤣
I own a 5 string RedSub Coliseum, playing in drop Bb and Drop A, sometimes Drop G, and it does this wonderfully! I did however change the tuners for some Schallers
Nice video, Lobster! I got this bass a few months ago, but with the 7 bolt neck. I think the neck feels very secure with it and the upper fret access is much better on that one. The balance is a big problem though due to the upper strap button placement/ body design. The pickups/electronics are definitely not great. I run it passive (I don't like the EQ), but it still sounds like there's a blanket over the sound. I am already looking at other basses.
It seems fairly evident that Gear4Music themselves - a UK company - are at the mercy of whatever their Chinese OEM manufacturers decide to do. I bet that they only found out about the neck joint change when they opened the box - if they even did that before shipping the boxes out to customers. I bought a Harlem headless guitar from Gear4Music last year, having seen two different versions of it in the photos on their website. (Some have string clamps on the headstock, some don’t: mine came with them.) I got it partly because I wanted to learn how to fix wonky frets, and it was definitely educational on that score. I need to work on shielding next.
I've seen, and built, a few basses with a similar neck joint to what was initially shown on the website, apparently, but with some SIGNIFICANT differences. I won't mention specifics, just because it may come off as one builder criticizing another and I think that's bad form and a lack of professional respect. Another very good video lobster!
Interesting seeing these reviews of the cm6. I got one of the inital run of them. They did indeed release originally with the 7 screw construction. Ive had mine now for just shy of 2 years and not ran into any issues from the construction.
@@LowEndLobster do love your mod projects... I have a standard 34" 6 string bass and got this one to go into F# standard to match my 8 string guitar :) was very happy for the price but yeah needs a good mod and ur mod videos are amazing inspiration. Thinking new bridge new tuners and EMG P bass pickups. No eq (put that in a pedal so can be used on other basses) and just a balance (use a volume pedal)
Its always the same, people think it must be cheap because it is cheap! But I own and play and love this Bass. I have more then 10 basses. But this is the only one that does the Super low tuning Job with perfect Intonation. AND THATS GREAT! All the functions and Features in this Bass are good enough to provide a Solid Bass play in every metal Situation. So common why do you waste money, get the RedSub on the used market for a few Bucks and be happy! Just play and dont waste time with technical stuff or looking around for something better, you just end up as a GAS slave. This Bass is a Big beast for less money. If you are rich, get something better!
Thanks Texaco! Indeed the multiscale market is very sparse at this price point, and the B does indeed sing. I actually just snagged this multiscale Combine Guitar kit (it's a 5 string multiscale bass). It'll be interesting to see how that compares to the Redsub (though obviously apples and oranges, DIY vs production). Stay tuned my friend!
I really thought about getting one of these for the hell of it, but by the time I replaced all of the hardware and preamp, I might as well have looked for a used Ibanez multiscale, as you say. Plus, every time I see that Stingray Special behind you, I get feelings. I forget all about wanting a multiscale. I don't need anything that pricey, but logic starts to take it's leave and I consider getting rid of most of the basses I own to get one of those bad boys. It just sits back there taunting me, beckoning me to make more poor financial decisions with my life.
I have the redsub 5 string. Had it about a month now, just slapped some Kalium strings on it and have it tuned F Bb Eb Ab Db. It’s heavy as hell though. I don’t have too many issues with it!
@@biencj conventional tuning is B E A D G, that’s how it came from the factory. The next lowest string would be F#. I did that and tuned it down a half step.
This is about what I expected after viewing company website and viewing the few reviews I could find across the Internet. Thanks for saving me money and frustration. Could I perhaps hope for a future review of an ESP LTD B-1004SE or B-1005se?
My 2 cents. I like narrow string spacing. The neck body contour is definitely not good. Sounds good and I like the 36 inch scale length on the B string. Thanks for the review, interesting bass.
I understand the concept of cutting corners to keep costs down but the specs of the bass should be what's advertised. The bridge spacing at the bridge and different neck heel is not cool!!!
Hey I just got the 5-string version and it came the neck joint that is shown on the website. It was cracked in a line threw all the bolt holes. Id b happy with what seems to b a revised verdhon that you got
Hi 🦞 thought this may have been a cheap way into multiscale. Before splashing out on something better. But resale will be poor. As you said site shows differences and same on the other ranges they do. Still like your honesty . Keep up the great work. Stu
Great point James! I was actually looking at some of my other basses and thinking about that. The biggest difference is also the thickness of the body at the neck which and the way the heel is sculpted which definitely sets this apart in a bad way
Great review Lobster. I'm with you on this one - I would save my pfennig's and get something used that is better quality. I would also be concerned about the truss rod on this bass. If the company cuts corners in one area, they could have cut it in others - like the truss rod. Too many question marks for me. Cheers!
I like the price, and I’d like to try a fan fret....but coliseum must be referring to the neck size...YIKES! Also I’m not going back to 6 strings. It has some real pretty features, but like people...to many pretty features are hiding some obvious flaws...like “I like looking at it, but, I’m not sure I want it at my house!!!!” You are saving some change purses my friend. “Lobster...looking out for the common man” Cheers
@@LowEndLobster yeah, that's definitely been the barrier to entry for me in headless. I was really disappointed when you did the Brice one, I thought that would end up being the ticket for me but I guess I'll just have to save up for an EHB or maybe a Kiesel Thanos.
Thanks Michael! We tried the SR300 already (four string). I think I'd like to check out the 506 with the higher-end preamp (3-way mid freq switch vs the 'power tap' which I don't like). Definitely going to check out some other entry level Ibanez though :)
Its one of those instruments that you would have to put more money into for aftermarket parts like the tuners if you're using it for recording or gigging
Don't like the single cut, but strangely enough it looks like it actually fits the design. I figured that the spacing would be tight, I think I would rather hold a plank to have standard spacing as a four string across a six string.. Also wondering if it isn't just an illusion that the pickups aren't exactly parallel, the neck pickup looks to be angled sharper than the bridge pickup. I always wonder exactly how they figured out that the pickup need to exactly where it is and with such an angle. I know that Leo used his mules to figure that out, somehow I don't believe that others are so meticulous, but maybe that's just my cynical assumption.
Thank You My Man!✊🏿 I was sooooo contemplating this in a 4 string model. Seemed a lil' too good ta be true.🤔 (**the RedSub "Chicago Style Basses" had a neck thru body style that was kinda tempting as well**) Are you familiar with "Low End Bass"? With a name like that, it might be worth checking out eh?🤔 They have some Very Nice Lookin' Fiddles!🤗
Bummer, I've been looking for a cheaper fanned fret to get that extra low end tuning stability. Guess the Cort Artisan fanned fret is probably a better bet. You should do a review on that ;)
Sorry but I got the 5 string version and is totally awesome, and yes ones you do the shielding process that noise goes away, also mine has the picture design on the back screws, the 24 freet is thin on the 5 string
i ahve one of these im using as the basis for a mod project for some e0 action the basic neck and body is a good start point for those of us who want to get really low im upgrading the pickups tuners probably the preamp strings ive gone for 40-60-80-100-135-200 a nd im trying to find out about how to put a piezo system into her i want to get a 5 string one if it comes up used or b stock the 36.25 scale is really helpful for getting down low if you cant afford a dingwal
I'd love to buy one just to make a few modifications. In Europe it costs around 350€, so I had this idea in mind: what if I buy it, and replace the tuners, pickups and preamp? It might be worth it. Summer 2024 Update: Got my hands on a used one at 275€, Replaced the original pickups and preamp with EMGs 45DC and a Darkglass Tone Capsule, along with Gotoh GB350 Res'O Lite Tuners and a Guyker Monorail Bridge (Basically a chinese copy of the Hipshot's bass solo bridge)
Thanks James! Indeed, felt similar in quality to the 5 string FF headless Brice I tried. Hardware felt just as flimsy too, though I didn't have any problems this time (the headless tuning machines from Brice are AWFUL!)
RedSub Colosseum = Shit Sandwich! Glad to see you stick to your guns and not sell out on this one. I was looking at the 5-string and came to the same conclusion. If it was a fundamentally solid platform, with adequate placeholder hardware & electronics like some low-end Harley Bentons, it might have been worth it to buy one & upgrade the tuners, bridge, nut, pickups & preamp. Maybe. Or make a better decision and buy a high-end Harley Benton (in the same price range or maybe a bit less) and you likely wouldn't have to do anything except yank out the bland, tone-sucking active preamp from the HB and run the pickups passive. I've done that with the HBZ 2004/5 , a 5-string Marquess and the Enhanced P-Bass & Jazz Bass models. The passive pickups are quite good, they just open up and sound 10x better once you throw the cheap, shite EQ circuit in the trashcan! While you're at it, wire up some series/split-coil/parallel 3-way mini-switches for each pickup if they're humbuckers or a series/parallel between the pickups if they're single coils... that's what I typically do to get maximum tonal flexibility... maybe even an in/out of phase switch if you dig the funky, nasal tone... Anyways, back to the RedSub... those just struck me as fake-ass facade basses. Thanks for the neck-joint reveal too! That definitely sealed the deal for me. Just no!! That said, I have a SubZero Rogue VI 30"-scale Baritone (in Polar White with a Maple fretboard), it's like BC Rich Stealth or Ibanez Xiphos & a Bass VI had a love-child. Reverse HS & all!! Changed the tuners immediately to locking ones, will swap out the humbuckers for good pickups & do some creative wiring but yeah, I love this one, so not all their offerings are crap! If you're lookin for a cool Bass VI alternative and don't have hands on a HB JA-Baritone (who does?) the Rogue VI is a worthy mod platform!! Keep it on the Down Low!! Later Lobster, -T
I hate to be harsh, but the only thing decent about this bass is the clarity of the B string, in my opinion. You have to wonder why there are so many discrepancies between the specs on their website and the actual specs of the bass.
Why would yo go for the Ibanez at 35.5", why are you comparing this fan fret 36.25" to a sterling 34", I just don't get the comparison, what if you're looking to tune down to G and need thicker gauge for better tension.
Seems like Gear4Music are still trying to figure out what to do and what to make with their Redsub brand. I ordered their cheapest passive 4 string multiscale bass 2 years ago. It's since been discontinued but it was the cheapest multiscale bass in the world. Came with electronic issues, very sharp fret egdes, but after some work and a pickup swap i got it working. For ~200 eur it was an obvious first try from them. These new basses look like a step in the right direction (and a bit more expensive), but they're still almost 3 times cheaper than Cort multiscale basses and far away from Cort's quality. My guess is that it will take a couple more instrument generations for Redsub to be able to compete with something like Harley Benton.
Save your money and put it towards something with less compromises. I know they are catering for budgets... but I think most people would probably feel like it was 450 bucks down the drain. Shipping and taxes can add a significant percentage ontop of that 450 USD, making it even less attractive.
Yes, I've looked at the Talman, EHB, and maybe another? We've looked at a lot of basses. I have an SRMS805 review coming within the next few weeks as well
Aw bummer about the neck joint. I have a couple basses that have neck joints that look like in the original picture on the website but they're super super secure and provide really good upper fret access. Finding out its not like that in production is a buzzkill.
It's all about the fanned frets and offset body for me, it's almost impossible to find these more interesting looking guitars and basses at this price point. To each his own, but I find the strat-like body shapes hideous, so sick of seeing them everywhere! I'm planning to get the 5 string version of this.
@@LowEndLobster Thank you for the in-depth review! Been checking your upload page eagerly ever since Bully Thakidd said you'd be making one. Was really wondering what's your take on it :D
That bass is probably trying to capture the lower end metal player market. Definitely not meant to be a slap machine. Ibanez basses are definitely much more costly (maybe 3 times more) Think Dark Glass crowd. Definitely a mod platform, as you mentioned, for those metal players on a limited budget.
Thanks Billy! The funny thing is, all the website verbiage presents this as a 'solo bassist' instrument. I think they meant 'solo bassist comedy act' because as soon as you let go of the neck, something either hilarious or sad will happen ;P
@@LowEndLobster gotcha. Yea I was doing some math and with an eq and pick ups set up from nordstrand and some new tuners and nut it would be pushing 1000 to 1200. EEK
Very cool demo but too many strings and scales for this 4 string dude. Gotta be worth the money though, not sure there is a cheaper multi-scale 6 string out there. Thanks 🦞
6:00 it doesn't sound as bad as I remember...I think the playability weirdness/issues others have pointed out on the Redsub platforms as well turn me off because if it doesn't feel great in your hands when you're holding it then you're going to be fighting with it and when you get another it will just sit there in the rack...lol I just described the cycle. So if you need a 6, get a 6 - but there are Wolf, Bryce, many many very low cost instruments in the 5 and 6 and multiscale markets, as well as being established even if established as a bottom tier brand - for me to get an 8 string classical there are like 3 off the shelf options and two of them are REALLY expensive and the other one is Rondo Music. And before you crit on Rondo lol may I point out...Linda Lee/Khruangbin :-)
13:00 just checked the G4M site - with all the issues you're mentioning, I think it should have been priced closer to their other models of 6 string, which are more like Chicago 6 String Bass Guitar by Gear4music, Black View PDF $181.25 excluding VAT 7 in stock Delivery Information Get it: 5th - 7th May
16:00 Every time I watch a review here, I feel like I should focus even more on passive because once an instrument sounds great passively then the greatness is amplified, logically lol because preamp. Also, I keep an eye on amplifier products and technology and with the size of a bass, physically, we're super close to getting a Synergy size preamp in there but THEY HAVE TUBES. Not sure I'm into a HOT bass lol
If you're looking at the used market, you can score a 6 string for $150. I got my Washburn MB6 for $325, all in, and if you put in elbow grease you can get nice stuff for cheap - my hohner V is trashed but it's all maple through neck goodness as a platform and the original hohner preamps are how I think Johnny Long blew his cone lol I tried to research it and it is probably made in Korea but it has the style points Grover Jackson left with Washburn (incidentally older company than both gibson and fender, IIRC) and it would be a CRAZY fretless because it's the opposite - it basically has NO radius on the fingerboard that thing seems FLAT. In any case, do some homework, find the players and artisans, and sometimes you get to grab something that was spawned from greatness for literally a song. I have twin Starfield Altair SJ Custom guitars that were designed partially by Mike Lipe (who had just started what would be Ibanez LACS) and built on the j custom workbenches in Nagano...yeah LACS. :-) My Heartfield DR5 fretless was part of a joint project between Fender and Ibanez, Fender has all that archived on their site. I was lucky to one, even if it's the bolt on model (the through necks are/were GORGEOUS)...but again, it was rough and I got it for like $450. Keep looking, do your homework, know when the unicorns are driving by as much as possible and try to net them when you can and still pay rent.
That was my thought too, if I got one. The pickups are EMG 45 dimensions, and the coil coverage of the 45DC would be OK at 18mm spacing, even better at 16.5mm. However, the unannounced change in the neck joint is a deal-breaker: I would prefer the one advertised, but if that had problems that mandated the change, then what are we supposed to think now?
Brother, what are you talking about? Replacing those sweet EMGs? This guitar sound exactly what I've been looking after for about 10 years (Fernandes Tremor Deluxe sound). Yes, the tuners need to be changed but that's it. Ergonomics? We (Homo sapiens) have the magic ability to get used to things, adopting. I remember once I have changed my gaming chair for a leather one. My first thought - I can't do this - I can't do any gaming on that shit. Guess what - now after a few months every time I sit on my old gaming chair I think to myself, how the f I could sit on that. I GOT USED TO my leather chair. So you having this bass for brief moment and complaining about ergonomics is at least unprofessional. GL everyone in the music adventure.
@@LowEndLobster Maybe he thought the same way I used to think when I was 15, that every active pickups are made by emg, but maybe he likes the sound that you got from the bass and amp
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IVE BEEN WAITING HALF A YEAR FOR THIS LOBSTER!!
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Thanks you Lobster for wasting your money so we don't have to. You provide a valued public service! 😁
XD I do what I can
@@LowEndLobster you are the best
I'd rather spend more and know what I am getting.
Although, I've been playing many years, and I build instruments, so I may be a bit biased.
I might have......purchased the 5 string version by "mistake"
I bought this bass at the very start of the year. And mine came with the other design of bolt on. As in it has the 7 screw setup. Never had a problem. I actually really like the design and it helps getting to the higher frets.
This bass is so beautiful, imagine doing harmonics at this bass, the color is so gorgeous.
Thanks Mark!
This is a real good reminder as to why it's nice to have walk in music shops. When all you can see is a pretty picture on a website and cannot feel or hear the instrument you are purchasing, it's either listen to the Lobster or take your chances.
Thanks Philip!
You are entirely welcome. In my opinion, it is well deserved.
thomann has usually metal jazz and funk sound samples for most their based online, not ideal but a good general idea plus of course the few decent bass channels like the lobster
Honestly, that bass sounds good for the money but some of the ergonomic issues would scare me off. Tone was pretty articulate and clear
Thanks Keith! Indeed, I thought the "solo bassist" target was pretty spot on tonally, though I don't think you'd want to deal with those ergonomics in a solo bass situation - I wouldn't!
Me either!! Solo bass is scary enough on its own lol
I'd be alright with it cause I just put weights in neck-divers. My main issue is the 5 string doesn't come in this colour! Also the neck heel seems thick for that area.
Surprised that the neck is nice cause I have a Gear4Music Harlem V bass and the neck is abysmal - poorly-fitted frets, dry as hell fretboard, inconsistent thickness, rough finish, etc.
I got it as a mod platform and intended to replace the neck from the start so it doesn't matter but it's a shame the neck once removed is best used as a club.
I have the 5 string Coliseum with the type of neck joint as shown in the website pictures. No stability issues there at all and makes upper fret access very comfortable.
There are, of course, indicators of the budget nature of the instrument - the hardware isn’t high quality, though serves its purpose. There are also some blemishes to the finish around the input and neck pocket.
All in all a remarkable buy for the price. I got it to try out living with a multi scale without breaking the bank. It’s a keeper for me, but has also convinced me to custom build myself a “shortened multi scale” to provide even more ergonomic comfort to me as I endeavour to continue playing bass as long as possible without surrendering to arthritis and tendonitis!
Thank you Peter! Excellent comment! I appreciate you sharing :)
The pickup configuration here is probably imitating Dingwall NG series, with no real neck pickup but rather a bridge and the middle one. So it is probably designed for more higher register string noise... which works really nice in metal genre, with some heavy, distorted bass tone. Great review as always! I also was really curious if I want this Redsub... But fortunately, my Dingwall sounds awesome ^^
Thanks Aethernum! Yeah this thing is noooo dingwall, that's for sure.
Very fair and honest review. I entirely agree with your conclusions.
Thanks Paul!
That B string is loooow, made my phone feel like on vibration mode. You made another value priced bass shine through.
Thank you John!
Great review. Bought one 2 weeks ago, 7 screws on back, so access to higher frets is perfect, also string spacing is very comfortable for my taste, and I play slap a loooot, so it's a preference thing. Tuners, nut, knobs and strings are shitty, replace them as soon as You can. In future I plan to invest in better electronics, maybe Darkglass preamp- it's super comfortable for me and sounds great so I think it's worth it. From all thing they could cut corners in this price range hardware is best way- it's easiest to replace.
Sweet, very odd about the neck joint and spacing. Did you buy it knew through Gear4Music?
@@LowEndLobster Yes, Gears4Music. Despite lacking in finish in some places I really enjoy this guitar (it's my fifth bass so far, to point that I'm planning to sell my old Precission bass and invest some of that money in electronics. I don't have much experience in replacing preamps or pickups, but which one would You recommend to upgrade first? I think Darkglass tone capsule is go-to choice in that dingwall-style bass...
@@Klejpull123 I think the Tone capsule and some EMGs would be a great combo. I'm just perplexed as to why we got one version of the bass and you got another. Anyhow, hop on our discord channel and post some pics! happy modding :)
@@LowEndLobster Little Update on my Coliseum 6- I followed Your advise (at least first half of it) and installed Tone Capsule. Best decision ever, it gained so much air and clarity that I don't know if I need to change pickups anymore... Just joking, of course I won't stop toying with that bass, I already has chosen sweet custom humbucks with splitting coils switch, but It sounds great already ;)
@@Klejpull123 that's great to hear man! Enjoy those crispy Darkglass tones :)
I almost bought the 5 string version, but when I saw your Ibanez ehb 1005 review, I got that one.
Thanks so much for your videos Lobster
Buying an instrument like this online without actually holding it or feeling it makes me crazy! Manufacturing techniques these days allow for beautiful "looking" instruments, but it's the sound that's critically important. The website description of this instrument and the actual product discrepancy makes buying online scary for me. I prefer going to an actual store. Remember stores? Great review...I appreciate your opinion a lot!
Thanks Budd! Oh stores.... I 'member.
It does seem a pity they didn't spend a bit moor money and time in making it better. In looking for a 5 string fan fret. I ended up getting a 6 string. A Ibanez SRFF806 that was for sale on Marktplaats for a bit. There wore some stupid low bids put on it but it was gust not selling. I decided I would give it a tray and gave him a fair price for it. I was afraid the neck would be to wide for me to play, but it has a perfect perfect shape for me. Its a great bass, don't regret getting it!
Thanks Martin! Nice score!
I have the 7 screw neck version. Got it like the week it came out I think? I'm pretty sure my fretboard is different wood also? Much darker. I absolutely LOVE this bass! It's definitely not for everyone, but for my needs of extreme metal in ridiculously low tunings this is perfect if you can't afford a Dingwall.
This review couldn't have been more perfectly timed as I had just discovered the 5-string version, and at £319 was seriously considering adding it to my 5-string shortlist. I think I'll spend the extra £70 and get the Sterling Sub Ray5 that is currently top of that list (I'm on a very strict budget!)
Thanks Greg! How'd things work out?
@@LowEndLobster I just need to save up for it, hopefully it'll be a Christmas present to myself!
I bought the 5 string, I kept it about a week!
Thanks BP! Yep, don't blame you!
Thank you for the review! As a Thunderbird player, those playability issues aren't of great concern to be honest. I like how it looks, I like what it sounds like, and I love what it costs... Great option for us too poor for a Dingwall D-Roc!
No problem, that's exactly why I do my reviews the way I do! Glad you found this helpful
Thanks for that Review! I looked at that bass also...but all my senses told me to stay away.
You're very welcome! Your senses were correct :) - definitely spread a bit too thin quality wise.
@@LowEndLobster I went with another one. I already had a Dingwall Combustion 5 and since I got the EHB, I wished the Dingwall would have the Nordstrand pickups from the EHB. But Vice Versa I wished the EHB would have the scale lenght of the Dingwall....
...Now I found the ESP LTD B-1005 MS. 37" with Nordstrand BigSplits. It will arrive mid of next week. I am excited.
@@Insoma VERY nice! Can't wait to see your vid on it. Hoping to snag a second older Dingwall NG2 with the square DC40 sized pickups for..... fishmans.... ;P
Nice review! I have the 7 bolt variety of this bass and it’s perfectly sturdy and seems very surprisingly robust. I play bass in a metal band and my bandmates love the sound from this thing, as do I. Gotta be said I did have to do some work to it before playing, for example the obligatory truss rod and intonation adjustment, but also the frets on the bottom of the neck were sharp, sharp enough to quite literally shred my hand when I was first trying it. Personally I quite like the EQ, the pickup knob is fairly useless but the equaliser works a treat and I can find almost exactly the tone I want just by fiddling with the EQ. Tuners are a thing I’ve seen a lot of in this comment section and I have to agree, they’re not the best. I’ve had no issues personally, but the placement is a bit cramped for my liking and the C tuner feels a bit scratchy. As for string placing, I’m a guitar player mainly so the closeness of the strings aren’t a problem for me and actually makes it more playable for me, but I do understand that it makes it very cramped on the lower frets especially when stringskipping frequently.
I personally feel I have got my money’s worth as I really do like this bass, but I do understand the complaints as I myself had to do quite a lot to make it playable for me. Again, awesome review 👍
Just picked up a B stock from manufacturer which needs a new nut, for £110 ($155). I've had one before and sold it for QC issues but I could not miss it so cheap. Will replace nut and consider upgrading EQ. Also it has the correct neck cutaway not the absolute chonk you got (never seen any others like that).
Give me a few weeks and I'll get a video up.
Awesome! Def post the vid on my discord channel too :). Yeah man, the more of these I see with the neck attachment shown on the website, the more I wonder about the one I got ahahaha
Hi Lobster
Bit late to the party but I just got the G4M 972 5 string a few weeks ago and I’ve got to say I’m really quite happy with it for the price I paid. I understand if you are outside the UK that shipping has to factor in but I got it next day delivery for a measly £1 (99p actually)! So £280.98 all in.
I believe that G4M has started making these new lines in a different factory (Music Zoo?) and they are said to be improved from the Red Sub Colliseums. I don’t know how much improved as it’s almost identical to yours except mine has the 7 bolts. And a black headstock with the red G4M logo.
Hardware is still pants (the saddle adjustment screws sockets were rounded out so you couldn’t turn them with your allen key) but for another couple of quid I bought M2.5 x 8mm grub screws and just replaced them. Yeah tuners aren’t the best but TBF have still held their tune over a couple of weeks. The body isn’t bad and balances ok when you’re sitting and there’s no neck dive standing. If I were to be completely honest if there was a different shaped body I’d have had that one. I’m not a soloist so I’m quite happy not playing at the top of the neck but I understand if that and the 16.5mm string spacing would put off many people.
To me the massive redeeming feature is the neck. It’s beautiful. Straight as a die out the box and minimal setup once I sorted the saddle screws. Truss rod appears OK. The frets are really well finished no sprout and are like that all the way up the neck and the roasted maple is a lovely touch. The strings are surprisingly good (don’t know the make) I was going to swap them as soon as I got it but that’s gone on the back burner for now. The low B as with any MS is really defined and other strings too are well nice.
Not a fan of the pickup position. I like my neck pickup to be, well, in the neck region. So, I’m going to mod it and add a 3rd pickup in the next few months. I’ll then replace the blend knob with a 6 position switch and probably upgrade the pre. Might sand off the burl veneer (it is actually veneer) and refinish with headstock to a different colour.
TBH it’s a bit of a mishmash, a Curate’s Egg if you like. It has some great features but a lot of downsides. That aside for an introduction to a MS bass, for the price there is nothing out there that will beat it. Harley Benton don’t appear to be resurrecting their fanned fret yet and the (cheapish) Cort A5 Beyond is 3+ times the price in the UK and Ibbys and Dingwalls well into the thousands.
When I’ve upgraded it I’ll PM you on TB and we can have a laugh at my failure, like your RB-414 or maybe if it’s a success we can have a virtual beer. Then I’ll get bored of it and move onto something else. 🤣
Fan frets are getting to be a huge thing !! I'm really wanting a dimgwall but the way you did yours!!
Thanks Jeremy! We may have another dingy project in the future ;P
@@LowEndLobster awesome!! Can't wait homie!! Your the effen man lobster 🦞
I own a 5 string RedSub Coliseum, playing in drop Bb and Drop A, sometimes Drop G, and it does this wonderfully!
I did however change the tuners for some Schallers
Thanks Taz! Always great to hear about other owners experiences
Nice video, Lobster!
I got this bass a few months ago, but with the 7 bolt neck. I think the neck feels very secure with it and the upper fret access is much better on that one. The balance is a big problem though due to the upper strap button placement/ body design. The pickups/electronics are definitely not great. I run it passive (I don't like the EQ), but it still sounds like there's a blanket over the sound. I am already looking at other basses.
Thanks for sharing Wes!
It seems fairly evident that Gear4Music themselves - a UK company - are at the mercy of whatever their Chinese OEM manufacturers decide to do. I bet that they only found out about the neck joint change when they opened the box - if they even did that before shipping the boxes out to customers.
I bought a Harlem headless guitar from Gear4Music last year, having seen two different versions of it in the photos on their website. (Some have string clamps on the headstock, some don’t: mine came with them.) I got it partly because I wanted to learn how to fix wonky frets, and it was definitely educational on that score. I need to work on shielding next.
Thanks Dirk! That's very interesting. It's a shame that they don't have more oversight on what they're selling
I actually really like the slap tone! Of course, with pickups and electronics, this thing can sound much better!
I've seen, and built, a few basses with a similar neck joint to what was initially shown on the website, apparently, but with some SIGNIFICANT differences. I won't mention specifics, just because it may come off as one builder criticizing another and I think that's bad form and a lack of professional respect.
Another very good video lobster!
Thanks man!
I have the 5-string version, picked up very cheaply. It has the 7-screw neck joint without issues-I love mine!
I just bought the 5'er used over here and oh boy😬
Good luck buddy ;P
Review soon?
Interesting seeing these reviews of the cm6. I got one of the inital run of them. They did indeed release originally with the 7 screw construction. Ive had mine now for just shy of 2 years and not ran into any issues from the construction.
that Donny Benét t-shirt is amazing :))
I got this and love it. I have the original neck and has great access... It's like a abasi guitar
Would love to see u mod this one
Thanks Nick! It's already gone, wasn't feeling it that much to mod. We do have a sweeeeeet mod project coming this Friday though!
@@LowEndLobster do love your mod projects... I have a standard 34" 6 string bass and got this one to go into F# standard to match my 8 string guitar :) was very happy for the price but yeah needs a good mod and ur mod videos are amazing inspiration. Thinking new bridge new tuners and EMG P bass pickups. No eq (put that in a pedal so can be used on other basses) and just a balance (use a volume pedal)
Its always the same, people think it must be cheap because it is cheap! But I own and play and love this Bass. I have more then 10 basses. But this is the only one that does the Super low tuning Job with perfect Intonation. AND THATS GREAT! All the functions and Features in this Bass are good enough to provide a Solid Bass play in every metal Situation. So common why do you waste money, get the RedSub on the used market for a few Bucks and be happy! Just play and dont waste time with technical stuff or looking around for something better, you just end up as a GAS slave. This Bass is a Big beast for less money. If you are rich, get something better!
Thanks Texaco! Indeed the multiscale market is very sparse at this price point, and the B does indeed sing. I actually just snagged this multiscale Combine Guitar kit (it's a 5 string multiscale bass). It'll be interesting to see how that compares to the Redsub (though obviously apples and oranges, DIY vs production). Stay tuned my friend!
@@LowEndLobster I really love your Videos, great! Keep it up man.
I really thought about getting one of these for the hell of it, but by the time I replaced all of the hardware and preamp, I might as well have looked for a used Ibanez multiscale, as you say. Plus, every time I see that Stingray Special behind you, I get feelings. I forget all about wanting a multiscale. I don't need anything that pricey, but logic starts to take it's leave and I consider getting rid of most of the basses I own to get one of those bad boys. It just sits back there taunting me, beckoning me to make more poor financial decisions with my life.
Thanks Bizi! Yeah IMO I'd look elsewhere. Trust your heart with the Stingray special ;P
That stingray tempts us all
I have the redsub 5 string. Had it about a month now, just slapped some Kalium strings on it and have it tuned F Bb Eb Ab Db.
It’s heavy as hell though.
I don’t have too many issues with it!
Thanks for sharing! Damn that's some low tuning ahahaha
Say you were using conventional tuning, is that 5th string a high C or low B?
@@biencj B E A D G C for me
@@LowEndLobster my band does some hip hop/pop covers with that fun sub bass sound.
Plus modern metal…
@@biencj conventional tuning is B E A D G, that’s how it came from the factory. The next lowest string would be F#. I did that and tuned it down a half step.
It’s basses like this that we’re glad you do this for us!! I’m short, save your Pennie’s and buy a Dingwall!!
This is about what I expected after viewing company website and viewing the few reviews I could find across the Internet. Thanks for saving me money and frustration. Could I perhaps hope for a future review of an ESP LTD B-1004SE or B-1005se?
Thanks Matthew! Indeed, I have my eye on those. Definitely will try and check em out
My 2 cents. I like narrow string spacing. The neck body contour is definitely not good. Sounds good and I like the 36 inch scale length on the B string. Thanks for the review, interesting bass.
Great job LOBBBBYBOII! Such a cool bass.
Thanks Nakoa!
I understand the concept of cutting corners to keep costs down but the specs of the bass should be what's advertised. The bridge spacing at the bridge and different neck heel is not cool!!!
Right!? It's as if this bass was made by..... accountants...
Hey I just got the 5-string version and it came the neck joint that is shown on the website. It was cracked in a line threw all the bolt holes. Id b happy with what seems to b a revised verdhon that you got
@@andysilverspoon oh no! That stinks!
Hi 🦞 thought this may have been a cheap way into multiscale. Before splashing out on something better. But resale will be poor. As you said site shows differences and same on the other ranges they do.
Still like your honesty . Keep up the great work. Stu
Thanks Stu!
16.5mm is standard spacing for Warwick 5+ strings. You can get used to it.
Thanks flipper! True, though this was much closer to 16 and still felt tight for my playing style. I find 17-18mm right up my alley for 5-6 stringers.
@@LowEndLobster 16.5 is what's on my ESP LTD D-6 and it took getting used to but I can really go up and down the strings.
I got one of those, with the 7-screw layout in the back, i love it, but need a strap lock for that baby, too heavy to stay on the strap by itself
The upper fret access applies to many basses.... Look at a spector.
To be fair you still get better access than a fender shape.
Great point James! I was actually looking at some of my other basses and thinking about that. The biggest difference is also the thickness of the body at the neck which and the way the heel is sculpted which definitely sets this apart in a bad way
Great review Lobster. I'm with you on this one - I would save my pfennig's and get something used that is better quality. I would also be concerned about the truss rod on this bass. If the company cuts corners in one area, they could have cut it in others - like the truss rod. Too many question marks for me. Cheers!
Thanks Chris!
I like the price, and I’d like to try a fan fret....but coliseum must be referring to the neck size...YIKES! Also I’m not going back to 6 strings. It has some real pretty features, but like people...to many pretty features are hiding some obvious flaws...like “I like looking at it, but, I’m not sure I want it at my house!!!!” You are saving some change purses my friend. “Lobster...looking out for the common man”
Cheers
Thanks Tommy! "coliseum must be referring to the neck size" LOL you win comments.
@@LowEndLobster you are awesome
Makes me wanna order a FAUXDERA SIMPERIAL 6 STRING BASS!!!
Lol 😂
If they chopped the headstock off and did a headless version at a similar price point I would probably snap one up.
That'd be pretty sweet! Though cheap headless hardware can be a headache from what I found in the Brice multiscale headless.
@@LowEndLobster yeah, that's definitely been the barrier to entry for me in headless. I was really disappointed when you did the Brice one, I thought that would end up being the ticket for me but I guess I'll just have to save up for an EHB or maybe a Kiesel Thanos.
Please try the Ibanez sr306, another six-string around the same price but seems better from what I've seen.
Thanks Michael! We tried the SR300 already (four string). I think I'd like to check out the 506 with the higher-end preamp (3-way mid freq switch vs the 'power tap' which I don't like). Definitely going to check out some other entry level Ibanez though :)
Its one of those instruments that you would have to put more money into for aftermarket parts like the tuners if you're using it for recording or gigging
Don't like the single cut, but strangely enough it looks like it actually fits the design. I figured that the spacing would be tight, I think I would rather hold a plank to have standard spacing as a four string across a six string.. Also wondering if it isn't just an illusion that the pickups aren't exactly parallel, the neck pickup looks to be angled sharper than the bridge pickup. I always wonder exactly how they figured out that the pickup need to exactly where it is and with such an angle. I know that Leo used his mules to figure that out, somehow I don't believe that others are so meticulous, but maybe that's just my cynical assumption.
Indeed, the design language is at least cohesive though definitely going for looks over function.
Thank You My Man!✊🏿
I was sooooo contemplating this in a 4 string model.
Seemed a lil' too good ta be true.🤔
(**the RedSub "Chicago Style Basses" had a neck thru body style that was kinda tempting as well**)
Are you familiar with "Low End Bass"?
With a name like that, it might be worth checking out eh?🤔
They have some Very Nice Lookin' Fiddles!🤗
Thanks Jason! I know the Low End brand, they're super nice. Would love the opportunity to check one out
@@LowEndLobster
Don't Fight The Feein!..🤣🤣🤣!!
Bummer, I've been looking for a cheaper fanned fret to get that extra low end tuning stability. Guess the Cort Artisan fanned fret is probably a better bet. You should do a review on that ;)
Excellent suggestions. I definitely want to check out more Corts and that multiscale is definitely on my list :)
@@LowEndLobster heck yeah, it's on mine too so long as it passes the 🦞 test lol
Sorry but I got the 5 string version and is totally awesome, and yes ones you do the shielding process that noise goes away, also mine has the picture design on the back screws, the 24 freet is thin on the 5 string
That bottom horn is insignificant! Like my thumb compared to another gentleman we know 😂
Lmaooooooooooooooo
... Hmmmm
@@BullyThaKidd no Allen! Actual thumbs. Get your mind off your thingy-thing!
@@TheBeardofDOOM .... Sorry....
i ahve one of these im using as the basis for a mod project for some e0 action the basic neck and body is a good start point for those of us who want to get really low
im upgrading the pickups tuners probably the preamp strings ive gone for 40-60-80-100-135-200 a nd im trying to find out about how to put a piezo system into her i want to get a 5 string one if it comes up used or b stock
the 36.25 scale is really helpful for getting down low if you cant afford a dingwal
I'd love to buy one just to make a few modifications. In Europe it costs around 350€, so I had this idea in mind: what if I buy it, and replace the tuners, pickups and preamp? It might be worth it.
Summer 2024 Update: Got my hands on a used one at 275€, Replaced the original pickups and preamp with EMGs 45DC and a Darkglass Tone Capsule, along with Gotoh GB350 Res'O Lite Tuners and a Guyker Monorail Bridge (Basically a chinese copy of the Hipshot's bass solo bridge)
I'm planning on putting EMGs and a new preamp in mine, should make a big difference.
This is the type of silly bass nonsense i enjoy. Reminds me of the 6 string brice i bought off rondo years ago.
Thanks James! Indeed, felt similar in quality to the 5 string FF headless Brice I tried. Hardware felt just as flimsy too, though I didn't have any problems this time (the headless tuning machines from Brice are AWFUL!)
RedSub Colosseum = Shit Sandwich! Glad to see you stick to your guns and not sell out on this one. I was looking at the 5-string and came to the same conclusion. If it was a fundamentally solid platform, with adequate placeholder hardware & electronics like some low-end Harley Bentons, it might have been worth it to buy one & upgrade the tuners, bridge, nut, pickups & preamp. Maybe. Or make a better decision and buy a high-end Harley Benton (in the same price range or maybe a bit less) and you likely wouldn't have to do anything except yank out the bland, tone-sucking active preamp from the HB and run the pickups passive. I've done that with the HBZ 2004/5 , a 5-string Marquess and the Enhanced P-Bass & Jazz Bass models. The passive pickups are quite good, they just open up and sound 10x better once you throw the cheap, shite EQ circuit in the trashcan! While you're at it, wire up some series/split-coil/parallel 3-way mini-switches for each pickup if they're humbuckers or a series/parallel between the pickups if they're single coils... that's what I typically do to get maximum tonal flexibility... maybe even an in/out of phase switch if you dig the funky, nasal tone... Anyways, back to the RedSub... those just struck me as fake-ass facade basses. Thanks for the neck-joint reveal too! That definitely sealed the deal for me. Just no!! That said, I have a SubZero Rogue VI 30"-scale Baritone (in Polar White with a Maple fretboard), it's like BC Rich Stealth or Ibanez Xiphos & a Bass VI had a love-child. Reverse HS & all!! Changed the tuners immediately to locking ones, will swap out the humbuckers for good pickups & do some creative wiring but yeah, I love this one, so not all their offerings are crap! If you're lookin for a cool Bass VI alternative and don't have hands on a HB JA-Baritone (who does?) the Rogue VI is a worthy mod platform!! Keep it on the Down Low!! Later Lobster, -T
I hate to be harsh, but the only thing decent about this bass is the clarity of the B string, in my opinion. You have to wonder why there are so many discrepancies between the specs on their website and the actual specs of the bass.
You're definitely not being harsh. It's their responsibility to accurately describe their instruments
The price is aight for what you get imo. I absolutely love the style, but there's still much wrong.
Why would yo go for the Ibanez at 35.5", why are you comparing this fan fret 36.25" to a sterling 34", I just don't get the comparison, what if you're looking to tune down to G and need thicker gauge for better tension.
Thanks Miguel! Just my preference
Konichiwa - this guy gets it!
I'm... experienced.
Seems like Gear4Music are still trying to figure out what to do and what to make with their Redsub brand. I ordered their cheapest passive 4 string multiscale bass 2 years ago. It's since been discontinued but it was the cheapest multiscale bass in the world. Came with electronic issues, very sharp fret egdes, but after some work and a pickup swap i got it working. For ~200 eur it was an obvious first try from them. These new basses look like a step in the right direction (and a bit more expensive), but they're still almost 3 times cheaper than Cort multiscale basses and far away from Cort's quality. My guess is that it will take a couple more instrument generations for Redsub to be able to compete with something like Harley Benton.
Thanks Raimonds! Well said, great comment. Indeed, they still look like they're figuring stuff out
Save your money and put it towards something with less compromises. I know they are catering for budgets... but I think most people would probably feel like it was 450 bucks down the drain. Shipping and taxes can add a significant percentage ontop of that 450 USD, making it even less attractive.
Thanks Domenic! I agree, definitely spread a bit too thin
@@LowEndLobster Ibanez SR306EB probably a much better option
I just picked one of these up on a whim and it does have the 7 bolts in the neck so who knows what's going on with that
16.5 string spacing is a dealbreaker for this, unless youre a pick casual
might as well get the glarry 6
I could live with all the faulty or cheap features but that huge neck Heel preventing me from playing the higher notes... No.
Thanks Sebastian!
Have you done any reviews of ibanez 5 strings?
Yes, I've looked at the Talman, EHB, and maybe another? We've looked at a lot of basses. I have an SRMS805 review coming within the next few weeks as well
Didn't expect to see michael from vsauce reviewing a bass
Aw bummer about the neck joint. I have a couple basses that have neck joints that look like in the original picture on the website but they're super super secure and provide really good upper fret access. Finding out its not like that in production is a buzzkill.
Just got one of these, had it for less than a day and already not impressed with the poor QC. That’s a shame.
Bummer! Thank you for sharing
Would you use 34 scale strings on this or is it a super long scale bass
I’ve always wondered, what is the bass in the intro?
Reverend Fellowship Me'shell sig :) Great question!
I’d save a little more and maybe go with the Yamaha TRB 1006
Good choice. The TRBs are super nice, looking to try one soon!
how would you rate this for uk or eu buyers who don't have spend so much on shipping ?
It's all about the fanned frets and offset body for me, it's almost impossible to find these more interesting looking guitars and basses at this price point. To each his own, but I find the strat-like body shapes hideous, so sick of seeing them everywhere! I'm planning to get the 5 string version of this.
Thanks Koospa! Hey, if you dig the aesthetics and tone - then I'm glad I could help provide that info for you :).
@@LowEndLobster Thank you for the in-depth review! Been checking your upload page eagerly ever since Bully Thakidd said you'd be making one. Was really wondering what's your take on it :D
BUT WHO RETAINS THE RETAINERS?!?!?!?!
XD
Looks like they borrowed the shape from the ESP Stream series basses.
That bass is probably trying to capture the lower end metal player market. Definitely not meant to be a slap machine. Ibanez basses are definitely much more costly (maybe 3 times more) Think Dark Glass crowd. Definitely a mod platform, as you mentioned, for those metal players on a limited budget.
Thanks Billy! The funny thing is, all the website verbiage presents this as a 'solo bassist' instrument. I think they meant 'solo bassist comedy act' because as soon as you let go of the neck, something either hilarious or sad will happen ;P
Only Stanley Clarke or a heavey metal bassist could appreciate that body design.
Strange bass sound good from the other side
Had to come back to this video lol
;P
What's the catch? You are lobster! Not only because you are a crustacean but also a strapping young lad!
XD Thank you!
Does it neck dive?
Like Jacques Cousteau
That thing did not sound anything like I expected lmao
I'm really not a fan of fan fret basses , the pickup placement never matches the Fan profile of the scale angles.
Thanks Michael! Some do it better than others
How would you say it compares to a sr506?
Holly crap your ripping it up on that bass! Your playing is much better than half of the reviews out there.
Thank you Roman :). Eh I think the SR506 is a more complete package. That has been the 'go to' entry into 6 stringers for a LOT of people.
@@LowEndLobster gotcha. Yea I was doing some math and with an eq and pick ups set up from nordstrand and some new tuners and nut it would be pushing 1000 to 1200. EEK
But the neck joint is pretty bad....
How much are you going to sell it for
It's already gone ;P. Stuff that I post on my Reverb store generally doesn't last for more than 12-24 hours.
Very cool demo but too many strings and scales for this 4 string dude. Gotta be worth the money though, not sure there is a cheaper multi-scale 6 string out there. Thanks 🦞
Thanks Sparks!
Woah, I just saw this bass on DaMaestro’s channel, did you send it to him??
Edit JK his is a 5 haha!
They've been popping up, Patrick Hunter has a 5'er as well. I don't know why everyone else got ones with the other neck joint
Wow. Where you reading my mind or was I reading yours.
That would imply that we're separate people ;P
I'm amazed that this bass has fanned frets and a roasted maple necks for under 400 dollars. Sounded surprisingly good for thr money.
"Fast & Bulbous": Frank Zappa
LOL Thanks Barry!
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0:00 gonna just say I pretty much hated everything about this instrument when Bully had it. Pretty sure I didn't finish the video.
6:00 it doesn't sound as bad as I remember...I think the playability weirdness/issues others have pointed out on the Redsub platforms as well turn me off because if it doesn't feel great in your hands when you're holding it then you're going to be fighting with it and when you get another it will just sit there in the rack...lol I just described the cycle. So if you need a 6, get a 6 - but there are Wolf, Bryce, many many very low cost instruments in the 5 and 6 and multiscale markets, as well as being established even if established as a bottom tier brand - for me to get an 8 string classical there are like 3 off the shelf options and two of them are REALLY expensive and the other one is Rondo Music.
And before you crit on Rondo lol may I point out...Linda Lee/Khruangbin :-)
Laura Lee * ;P. True, though the SX stuff definitely feels more solid than the Brice/Agile stuff IMO.
13:00 just checked the G4M site - with all the issues you're mentioning, I think it should have been priced closer to their other models of 6 string, which are more like
Chicago 6 String Bass Guitar by Gear4music, Black
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$181.25
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7 in stock
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Get it: 5th - 7th May
16:00 Every time I watch a review here, I feel like I should focus even more on passive because once an instrument sounds great passively then the greatness is amplified, logically lol because preamp. Also, I keep an eye on amplifier products and technology and with the size of a bass, physically, we're super close to getting a Synergy size preamp in there but THEY HAVE TUBES.
Not sure I'm into a HOT bass lol
If you're looking at the used market, you can score a 6 string for $150.
I got my Washburn MB6 for $325, all in, and if you put in elbow grease you can get nice stuff for cheap - my hohner V is trashed but it's all maple through neck goodness as a platform and the original hohner preamps are how I think Johnny Long blew his cone lol
I tried to research it and it is probably made in Korea but it has the style points Grover Jackson left with Washburn (incidentally older company than both gibson and fender, IIRC) and it would be a CRAZY fretless because it's the opposite - it basically has NO radius on the fingerboard that thing seems FLAT. In any case, do some homework, find the players and artisans, and sometimes you get to grab something that was spawned from greatness for literally a song.
I have twin Starfield Altair SJ Custom guitars that were designed partially by Mike Lipe (who had just started what would be Ibanez LACS) and built on the j custom workbenches in Nagano...yeah LACS. :-)
My Heartfield DR5 fretless was part of a joint project between Fender and Ibanez, Fender has all that archived on their site. I was lucky to one, even if it's the bolt on model (the through necks are/were GORGEOUS)...but again, it was rough and I got it for like $450.
Keep looking, do your homework, know when the unicorns are driving by as much as possible and try to net them when you can and still pay rent.
It’s to bad it has a nice sound. I wish they would get it right!
Thanks Davey!
I'm 12 minutes in & you haven't had a single incident of Bass Face & the cat hasn't shown up~ not a good sign.
Bass not cat approved
SUB>RedSub
This is begging for some EMGS
Indeed, Code Red > Red Sub! Was thinking about doing some swappage, but I didn't like the feel of this bass enough
That was my thought too, if I got one. The pickups are EMG 45 dimensions, and the coil coverage of the 45DC would be OK at 18mm spacing, even better at 16.5mm. However, the unannounced change in the neck joint is a deal-breaker: I would prefer the one advertised, but if that had problems that mandated the change, then what are we supposed to think now?
Brother, what are you talking about? Replacing those sweet EMGs? This guitar sound exactly what I've been looking after for about 10 years (Fernandes Tremor Deluxe sound). Yes, the tuners need to be changed but that's it. Ergonomics? We (Homo sapiens) have the magic ability to get used to things, adopting. I remember once I have changed my gaming chair for a leather one. My first thought - I can't do this - I can't do any gaming on that shit. Guess what - now after a few months every time I sit on my old gaming chair I think to myself, how the f I could sit on that. I GOT USED TO my leather chair. So you having this bass for brief moment and complaining about ergonomics is at least unprofessional. GL everyone in the music adventure.
Sweet EMGs? Not sure if you're trolling XD. Congratulations to you and your chair!
@@LowEndLobster Maybe he thought the same way I used to think when I was 15, that every active pickups are made by emg, but maybe he likes the sound that you got from the bass and amp
Not a big fan....I'll see myself out 🤣🤣
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