Redding T7 Turret Press Upgrades from Creedmoor Sports
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If you’re looking for a way to take your Redding T7 Turret Press to the next level, check out these upgrades from Creedmoor Sports!
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I've used my T-7 for about ten years and have never once wished for the head to move more smoothly or more easily. It makes near perfect ammo every time with excellent consistency. This is just another needless pretty upgrade at a ridiculous price.
I would like to see a future video comparing the accuracy of the new head to the original head.
It would be interesting to set up a dial indicator and measure the deflection of the cast iron head vs. the upgraded machined head
I have both the upgrade kit and the stainless head. I did a test with a dial indicator. The movement of the head from front to back with the stainless head is .005 less from the factory head. Right to left it is .001 less. Is it enough to worry about? Not sure but the numbers show an improvement.
Dial Indicator on both of the heads to measure deflection AND on the die to measure thread pitch fit. The interesting thing is....the tighter you make everything, the more reliant you need to be that the factory machining of the press itself is perfect. The threaded hole in the turret is perfectly aligned with the ram etc
I’ve had a Redding T-7 turret press for about 10 years and it has always worked fine. I saw these products in an email from Creedmoor Sports and I’m very happy to see that you have featured them. May have to pick them up.
This really feels like a solution looking for a problem. The Redding press is well thought out and well made in the first place.
Couldn't agree more. Through the whole video I was asking, "Why do we need this, Gavin?"
@@thejonoaffair a threaded rotator arm, tighter die threads for a straighter mounted die, which sizes straighter brass, and a smoother rotating head.
I agree! But I do like the way new handle screws into the head! That’s my only complaint about the TR7.
100% agree. T7 is an amazing press if not the best of all turrets. I honestly don't feel like we have an issue with anything the new turret "fixes". I would rather keep my matching green colored turret with its so called issues.
@@thejonoaffair I have both the factory and the Creedmoor heads. What I like about the Creedmoor head is #1 No Rust. #2 Tighter tollerances on the rotation of the head . #3 Smoother rotation especially with the press upgrade kit. #4 Threading is way smoother than the factory threading in the die positions. #5 It looks great!
At $170, it is a bit pricey. As always, value is preceived by the buyer. Is it worth it? To me....yes. To others, YMMV. I have no regrets getting this. All my most commonly used calibers will be on the Creedmoor heads. I have the factory head for my lesser used calibers.
I always enjoy your videos and find them very informative. Referring back to you massive single stage press test, it would be interesting to see the same case and loaded round information for the turret presses.
Gavin you’ve got a lot of great measuring tools I’d like to see you compare the two top pieces using once fired same manufacture of brass and see what the motion is backwards and forwards well under pressure
I’m with this fellow. Do a video of how the upgrade actually improves accuracy to the reloading process. Prices are too high just for shiny objects. Thanks
It would be a useful test.
Most of these videos are just commercials.
Very interesting and informative. The link to the ' Full Story' is very helpful and much appreciated. Excellent additional information with the Full Story. thanks
Great video! Loved the detail!
Thank you for the awesome video I just got my head in today and man what a difference! I just got the press two weeks ago I installed their upgrade and it made a huge difference so much smoother and factory detent is too light this press is a different animal now.
Thank you again for the review
My concern with the kit is that the brass washer reduces the bearing surface from the anvil to the surface of the washer. Absolutely, the head will spin and smooth. I agree that the threads in the stock have a great tolerance, but once you adjust the die properly and tighten the lock nut all of the play is removed. I would some run out measurements. I think the kit makes it move better, but I don't think it makes it more accurate.
Exactly, you need that play for concentric loads, same with my mec single stage floating shell holder. All u have to do though is machine a cylinder perfectly flat on each end and square the dies up to the ram and it would solve the issue. It's what I have done for older presses for standard seating dies without floating sleeves. For both benchrifles I built I use and arbor press for seating
Think this is a solution to a problem which doesn’t exist
The stock head turns on the brass bushing not so much on the anvil. The bushings are made slightly taller than the turret head. That is why its so important not to mix up your bushings and heads. The heads are not all exactly the same thickness so the brass bushing must be made for each heads thickness plus an additional measurement I forgot how many thou. This is why you can spin the turret even from the factory with the center nut torqued down to what seems to be about 100ft lbs! the rear post height and the center bushing height and the ram/brass pressing against the turret head on the opposite side all are set to make the shell/ram exactly 90degrees to the turret head. This is why a brand new Redding T7 turret head seems like it has some slop in it. Its designed to! And be perfectly square and straight when pressing!
Yes Jim Gurney ,Exactly correct about the threads are just as tight when you tighten the nut down on the head there is no slop. yes steel has a better surface finish for spinning the die into, should have been his only point, and he knows that. Pretty loose with his dialog there. It suggested that the dies wont be slop free in the factory head, which is Not true at all.
@@ralphkusters1534 I agree Ralph, The only thing this does is decrease some friction. Throw the center brass washer into your shim bucket, don't use it IMHO. Its gonna slightly throw off the geometry /measurements between the turret head, rear post and the front ram pressing against the head.
Looks neat but for over double the cost of a Redding turret? I don’t see the advantage.
I love my Redding T-7 and didn’t feel I was skimping on quality when I purchased it.
This may be the only video I’ve seen of yours that we didn’t get to see how precise everything was especially with reloading cases. Although, I’ve got my eye on that area 419 press!
Looks like a nice kit. I'd like to have a Redding or maybe a Lyman turret press..
I was on the fence on getting A turret press . Great now I absolutely have to get it...😁
Mine is and has always been flawless, not changing anything on my t7
Was hoping to see some load comparison between the factory and Creedmoor upgrades. Runout, OAL, sizing and, of course, accuracy.
I have a T7 but I'm not sure what these products are supposed to bring in the way of results. A slick, smooth action, ok. But aside from that what are we supposed to expect?
Gavin I would like for you to do a review of Mikes reloading bench Lee CNC turret it has made a great improvement on my 2 Lee Loadmasters
I bought a T7 this year finally. I have often debated buying this Creedmoor Teflon brass shim kit. I don't know if it improves anything, besides making it smoother/easier to turn. (we all know teflon between cast parts makes them smoother/easier to move) The center brass washer should NOT be used IMHO because there is not one for the rear post! It needs to be tested and shown with indicators. I was hoping that Gavin would test this and show it helped make it more close tolerance, if it does. Gavin could do the same with the old cast turret head vs the new steel one and show if it makes an actual improvement. Does the cast iron head deflect? Is the new one less deflection? What happened to the dial indicators and testing things? Why not test for slop and deflection? Before U Tube, it was a common thing for a reviewer to do more testing and measuring, than just unboxing stuff. I guess this was a nice commercial for their products tho. I guess I will have to buy one and do all the testing and measuring myself and then determine if its throwing the geometry off with the added thickness of brass in the center.
I appreciate them trying to improve the product but l’ve never found my T7 needing to be free-er in spinning the turret. Good video tho Gavin!
Gotta have it, thanks Gavin
I just bought a Redding T7 last night on sale to add to my old Dillon RL-550B, newer Dillon XL-750, old RCBS Rock Chucker and Lee #90045 Basic. I now have slow, accurate and extremely high quality. Very fast and good for keeping up with high volume self defense target practice ammo needs. Something in between slow and very fast for lower volume, high quality, very accurate ammo. I use the elcheapo Lee #90045 Basic strictly for sizing my cast and powder coated bullets and occasionally case prep tasks. I have been reloading and casting my own bullets for going on 34 years now. I believe I have THE BEST setup and combination of styles of presses to tackle any task with authority. Fast, slow and everything in between!
Redding is in my town! Very cool.
What I saw was packaging foam debris in the brass bushing as the new turret head was installed. Why wasn’t that cleaned out first. Also there was packaging foam debris in the threads where the dies go.
do they make on for the Rcbs turret press? I would buy one of them/ RCBS stoped making them I think
I will choose the miniscule compressibility of iron over the huge compressibility of PTFE every time for repeatability. Would love to see how it measures (with a meaningful sample).
Aimsport - yes that’s a good point.
Agreed the PTFE adds NO value to the turret head
Thanks for great info
2 Redding t7s one set up for small primers one is for large primers. The upgrade kit would be great
Have you had an opportunity to review the Frankford Arsenal F-1 single stage reloading press yet?
Many folks don't know, but the Redding T7 is not without deflection, but its designed to! Its center bushing is made slightly taller than the actual turret head. This is so the turret can spin freely. Even from the factory when the center bolt is torqued to an insane torque ! The rear post height and the center bushing height all come into play to get a final height/alignment when the die is in place and the ram/brass is pressing against the turret head so that they all will be square and at the same height from the base. All this is done to allow the user to be able to turn the turret while still maintaining the best true 90 degree geometry to the ram.
Well I don't have a Redding T7 press yet but I have a question after you put the new head on I could not hear the indexing detent was there positive lockup with the new head and correct alignment?
Redding! The only one left using Wrinkled paint 💚 and not switching to hammered powder coat like everyone else
Is there something similar for the Lyman American 8 available
Would be nice to measure the tolerance before upgrade and than measure the tolerance after upgrading! And than evaluate if the money for the upgrade is well spend. Does it now produce loads for precision shooting?
Don`t need a different turret, but does anyone make an upgraded priming system for the Lyman AA8?
For the algorithm and I guess that means I have to quit procrastinating about getting the Redding press and one of those slick new kits. It’s only money, and I’ve wanted that press for years.
When are we getting a 50 cal build. 5 months ago you said it was coming
This actually worked perfect, and did make a difference! So darn smooth now, and NO play in the dies! Folks, it works!
I would love to see this for the Lyman 8
For sure
They have it
The shell holder "free floats" to some degree for a very good reason.
bought my all american 8 because of your channel but. cant make the primer work seems way to stiff or out of square.
LOOKING INTO IT!
The T7 is a great press.... I've had one for years.... But these upgrades are very tempting....
Thank you for showing us what they are really all about.....
It's all talk, until you actually see what's in the kit, and how it works.....
How is this press, in regards to precision ammo
Can it compare to the rcbs rock chuncker supreme?
I bought the upgrade kit & the one of the new SS turrent heads. It is an upgrade & I’m able to feel a difference. In hindsight I would not have bought the CNC SS turrent head. The reason is I use 3 different heads (most of the time just two). I have the stacker for the heads. I like leaving my dies set up. The price of one head is around 40% the cost of a new T-7 press. I never thought I would consider the 419 Zero press, but if I want better I now think my money would be better spent on a 419. If I upgrade all my heads on the T-7 I’ll already be at 75% of the cost of an entire press that was built using the highest quality components CNC machined. Just my 2 cents…..there’s no right or wrong
I purchased this turret top from Creedmore. Problem I'm have is the bolt that holds it on, the bushing won't come loose. It almost feels some how welded on. Any ideas.
I would definitely get that upgrade
John at TGC sent me. Great vid
If the press is so good way do need to improve it or upgrade ?
I can’t believe a $500 turret press wouldn’t be all worked out from the start
I have an issue with my T7 press and that is during the sizing process I noticed with rifle cases the tool head would ever so slightly rock back. Thusly the resized cases would always have run our and during the seating process the run out got worse. So I delegated this press for reloading small batches of pistol ammo. Do you think with these upgrades it would eliminate the slight tipping in the tool head?
A commonly mentioned fix for the turret rocking is to remove the center bushing and shave a few thousandths of an inch off of its length. Now there’s less movement and, if you did it right, it still rotates freely.
any help for accurate ?
Gavin do they make a precision shell holder i notice that when i put my brass in the holder there a lot of play. I have a T7 press i can see a upgrade in the near future on my press
Do you mean play between the shell holder and the ram or shell holder and the brass case? I have a variety of shell holders from different mfgs and all are tight in the ram.
I will stay with my Zero Press and my K&M Arbor Press.I do want a.Forster Co Ax press too though.
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@@hoofbrowning3068 my Forster Co-AX is my favorite press now..LOL I sent back the Frankford Arsenal VCo-Ax. I didnt like the Blocks
Is it heresy to even think a Redding T-7 has flaws needing improved ?
They need to do a kit like this for the Lyman AA-8!!!!
They have it
Son the only upgrade is the threads?
What rifle company has the best accuracy guarantee for the best price?? Is it Fierce?? 1/2inch for $2000?? Allterra has a 1/4 inch, but their rifles cost over $6000. And with factory ammo it is still only a 1/2 inch guarantee
You should send this video to johnnys reloading bench
Gavin, the Creedmoor sports head looks like a nice mod but @180.00 plus tax and shipping I’ll pass. A better price would be more attractive. In your video it looks as though the effort to change die stations is reduced so that might not be best for maintaining vertical alignment in operation ? Is it as positive as the stock Redding die head ? Great video as always.
Alignment is not about how easily the turret can be rotated form one station to another. It’s entirely about the precision of the machining between the base and the turret. There’s no torque on the turret while using the press- only upward and downward pressure.
No side movement ? Would be nice to see the loading process and measure for it if any.
How much is this new head? how many rounds do I have to load before i break even on this "upgrade"? It seems you might have forgotten why most of us got into reloading. To save money and/or have a supply of ammo when things get scarce. You have thousands of dollars worth of equipment there with more attachments than you might find on modern cars.
MSRP would be helpful. Generally, they’re cool upgrades. I have a T-7 and will consider value vs cool looks.
Thanks
Richard
Utah
He has turned into QVC but without the price review
$179 plus shipping they also have the less friction pads for $20
Oh my God!!!
Still going to deflect. It has to do with design and not quality. I get consistent results with the Lee classic turret press by design and not quality. A case of function over form.
Just bought a T7 and you mean to tell me I need to up grade already?
Nothing wrong with a T7 in stock form. This is part of the rabbit hole in reloading. You can always make something “slightly” better if you throw money at it. I’ve loaded lots of rounds through my T7 with amazing results. If you’re looking for improved tolerances, this may be something you’d consider.
Notice that improved tolerance is not demonstrated
In my opinion the best things you could do to “upgrade” a T7 are, 1) reduce turret wobble by shortening the center bushing a few thousandths of an inch. This requires some skill and care. 2) get it set up with a case activated powder drop. I use the Hornady L&L powder measure and “powder dies” or “lower units” or whatever they call them, but others make similar setups. Once you get it figured out you’ll never go back.
You didn’t show how it improved precision
Seems like most guys here on the comments have a T7 and love it. Bad luck plagues me with most things and I have apparent problems with my press. Maybe someone could relate or even pass along some helpful info? My problem is I have SERIOUS side to side and some forward and aft movement of my ram as I engage it to use the press. I haven’t measured the slop but I am guessing it’s maybe 3/16” side to side… possibly even a little more. This press is fairly new. It’s probably loaded 1500 rounds max if I had to guess. All bolts on the linkage have been checked and I can’t find anything to tighten any further, yet the Ram is still damn sloppy. Worse case, I can send it back to NY to Redding for God knows how much cash for shipping. But rather just fix it myself if possible. It’s almost like the hole that’s machined out of the base that the ram slides up and down in was reamed out a bit to big??? Doesn’t look like it, but sure “feels” like it if you put your hands on the Ram while it’s moving up to meet the tool head. And yes, I do have some accuracy issues with my reloads. It’s very spotty and inconsistent. Well any suggestions other than the obvious one would be greatly appreciated. Cheers
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I would like to buy that, but after all delivery costs and import taxes to Europe its almost cheaper to buy a brand new Forster Co-Ax press than this head.
For Gavin's video editor, you are setting your levels to low. I'm really having to crank up the volume to hear him, and then when you get to the outro it's REALLY loud because I had to crank the volume.
$200 plus tax & shipping? Sounds like a solution looking for a problem. But if shiny turns you on, spend the money!
I don`t see the need for it for my T-7. The Redding T-7 is already a very solid platform, very high quality press.
My T-7 has been working perfectly fine for well past 20yrs. Still in use today after THOUSANDS of rounds.
The orange and the other green presses may benefit, but for the Redding T-7, no, not so much.
The lack of runout measurements or meaningful objective data regarding loaded cartridges is telling.
That press isn't a cheap press to begin with. Now your coming up with a new turret head on top of that? Doesn't say much for their quality
The T7 is a good press. And a good value. The fact that someone offers an “upgrade” doesn’t change that.
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Hate to disappoint everyone, Gavin does not response to any of your comments. and never have thru all of his latest videos.
I like both companies, Redding and Creedmore BUY this "Enhanced" turret is a really waste of money for a problem that doesn't exist. "Enhance" only because is shiny and pretty? while the features are exactly the same, nothing new. Nop, I dont see the real reason to change other to buy more reloading stuff to pile around. the other upgrades makes sense but the turret bahhh...I watched the video because I was excited to hear something NEW or real NEW features...
Over priced. You are paying a lot for looks..
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lol what a scam)))
I love Redding brand products. But I cannot stand that color, lol.
How much ?