An 11-Card Vintage PSA Order with Financial Breakdown
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Nice explanation
Your videos are amazing
Good stuff as usual! I didn't know the 69 Nolan was so affordable, I may add one to the PC!
I would send the Palmer to SGC...they are much more forgiving on the min-size cards. It is not a 100% guarantee but I say 80% of the cards PSA rejected were graded by SGC. I measure my vintage before sending to PSA but they are SUPER strict.
From my experience in the last 2 years, they are grading junk wax era and vintage cards tough. They are grading easy on Ultra Modern cards.
I had a Kobe with same from PSA( min size).resubbed it with a Jordan from same set and both got 10s.
PSA is harsh with 80s jordans
Chris, I think these Grading / Breakdown Videos would be better if we didn't see your predicted Grade first - instead I think it would be more effective if you show the card close-up first, THEN let the Viewer guess the grade in their head FIRST and THEN reveal the grade YOU expect and THEN reveal the ACTUAL grade - thanks!
Cool
Already the best hobby content on TH-cam, and even more authentic and reputable by receiving no influencer love from PSA
Love these videos, Chris. Keep em coming! Also - what overhead camera/phone holder do you use? I'm considering getting one myself and yours always produces really strong results. Thanks!
I actually shot this one my i-phone
@@collectorinvestordealer thanks, was actually wondering about the holder/tripod you used?
It was just loose on a platform.
PSA has gotten wayyyyy too strict with Michael Jordan cards, and I just dont think its fair that the card doesnt get the grade it deserves because its MJ. That 3rd year MJ is not a 6, no way that is a 6(PSA is out of their minds grading MJ cards way too strict)
Hey Chris, I’d be interested in that upgradable Palmer. What’re you looking to get for it?
The excessive fees from psa are more than the extra amount you would get by having it psa vs sgc for a lot of these. SGC sells for a close enough price that its not worth spending double to grade with psa on lower priced cards like these. Plus the sgc would look way better.
I know that grades vary, but I feel like it’s giving PSA a pass by saying that weird, inconsistent grades with no explanation “happens”. Because it’s happening a lot and they’re not doing the grading for free. There should be accountability.
Fair point for sure.
Psa is the worst when it actually comes to grading. I sent in a card that was rare but it was all scratched on the surface. I expected a 7 or 8 and it came back a 10.
Yep, even the smaller companies that most people have not heard of are super consistent with their grades. Psa grades are all over the place. The main reason being that they have too many graders, hundreds of them. And while some are professionals that have been doing it as a career, many are college kids doing it as a part time job. Some are well trained, some are not. You never know who will see your cards. Could get someone good, could get someone who just randomly guesses. Plus they use a computer program that artificially changes grades in order to keep population percentages where they want them on popular cards (like 89 upper deck griffey).
@@gabriels1163 Yeah, those facts burned me when the PSA fees were $30/card... Now, if the card is important or the grade is ridiculously off I resub and so far the resubs have been worth it... recently sent in a card that came back a '6' and now it's a '9'...
@@kenrogers1948 that's bonkers. Should never be able to regrade 3 points higher
Have you done a video on how to submit to PSA?
I did a long time ago but it is outdated by now. Might be time for an update video.
I appreciate you Chris! Always enjoy your videos!
How much do you want for the Palmer RC if you still have it?
Good stuff Chris. Really enjoy this videos. I couldn't agree more about your assessment on making money on PSA orders. Key is to make good money on about 25% of the cards and break even on the rest. Enjoy the Super Bowl
This is one of my favorites of your content Chris. Thanks for sharing.
Great video - sometimes eye appeal has to trump card grade and value. On vintage I agree centering is key. I would take the Brett RC in a 5 with better centering but corner and edge wear as opposed to your off-centered 7 with sharper corners and edges (No offense). Like it has been said before sometimes you have to buy the card not the grade!
Agree Ted - I'd buy a well centered 5 over that 7 any day and bonus its less expensive to do so!
I think most collectors would agree with you.
I have an order in to PSA, kinda nice to see what your grades are ahead of seeing mine so I know what to expect
If the Reggie Jackson were centered an got a 5 what the value be?
A 69 Jackson PSA 5 goes for about $300
Will you be selling these cards on ebay?
Chris...thank you again for this extremely valuable and interesting information. The breakdown and analysis is helpful for anyone trying to decide the best way to value or sell their cards. I've been slow and resistant to the entire grading phenomenon but this helps put it in perspective. Your channel remains at the top of hobby content and is my favorite TH-cam channel of any kind.
$$$$$ -Great video bro!! The cards to pick up right now are Absolute Glass. On Ebay there are only around 400 total available for sale. That's accounting for all (3) sports across all years. Guys like Kobe, Brady, Lebron, Curry are going to go to the MOON!. Also look for key rookies like Tatum, Lamelo Ball, Anthony Edwards etc. At any given time someone can find like 10,000 refractors of ANY given player, but they'd be hard pressed to find a half dozen glass cards of the same player $$$$$
PSA is 100% the best place to send off center sharp cards. The most forgiving centering ratios in the business. This is my favorite style video you make AND I love the vintage, awesome video.
And PSA = Please Submit Again, lol, regarding the Palmer RC
Always fun
Chris…. You have my email. If you want to sell the Barkelys. Let me know
Great content and always a fun experience - have all my vintage 1971 sets with multiple doubles, thinking about getting some graded and leaning towards SGC...
Showing your losses along with gains, very respectable unlike a lot of marketers/promoters/influencers on TH-cam doing submission reviews - thanks for showing the reality of this process
Hi Chris, Your videos are the best. I appreciate your knowledge so much. I can’t wait to send some of my cards in. I’m pretty sure that I will go about it the correct way. It’s so cool being able to refer back to your videos!!! I should be able to send my cards out the right way. Thanks Bro!!! Tony from Saginaw!!!
Wish SGC had better resale value cause they are just better at grading cards than psa. But psa gets you more money when you sell so it’s a difficult decision
I have gotten back 6 mini size errors from PSA on the last couple submissions. A couple cards went straight from the pack to the holder to PSA. Do you think in their hurry to get things out the door in a reasonable turnaround they are making more mistakes like this? Or is it just quality control on the card companies?
I think at this point I would get my cards graded by SGC or CSG. I know PSA is the favorite now, but they are expensive and the other companies are gaining on them. I would buy a PSA card but I wouldn't grade with them. My 2 cents.
I think to pay employees enough to have employees, plus overhead, plus make enough to justify staying in business they have to fully process a card every 5 minutes or less at current prices. Thats open. inspect, slab, package for return ship with 1 person slabbing per 5 or so graders. It must be an assembly line there now. So yes its luck of the draw what min wage employee looks at it and what they feel like saying that day.
I feel like there has been an uptick in "minisize". I am not really sure what to attribute this to.
I think you nailed it...they run them through too fast and don't reset their eyes enough to stay consistent
Solid presentation and spread sheet.
Try FCG if you want to see why a grade is what it is. They will send you a sheet explaining any issues with the card.
DSG uses a qr code on the label that goes to a page showing centering and everything that the card was marked down for. I cant remember the name but there is at least one other company doing that too. PSA is way behind the times.
Thanks Chris nice video..have a question..is there any specific website or app to find out what cards are actually worth when they are graded from a company
Use completed sales from eBay or 130point.com or other such sites
Nice returns. At least the Brett came back higher than expected. However, how dare you call Bill Fahey a common! 😊
Are these cards from a recent collection pickup. PSA was really hard on your submission. That SUCKS! Have you every considered doing group subs with PSA? It saves all in the group sub some money.
I thought about group subs but its a lot of logistical work. I would probably need an employee to consider offering that
It's sort of funny I've been grading with psa for 15 years and it's still the same story most stuff it's a break even situation. However there is often a card or two in which you get lucky and it provides all of the profit. I just had some grades drop on a bunch of vintage movie star cards I submitted. Generally the grades were pretty tough, but I had two cards where I got lucky to receive what I would consider two grades above expected both of which are "rookies" and the highest graded copies so I should do well because of those two cards.
Thats very similar to my general experience with PSA.
Send the Palmer to SGC, I’ve had a couple of mini sized returns regraded with SGC and most are grade with no issue
I love your videos btw
Why wouldn’t PSA just grade the Palmer an Authentic? If there’s no evidence of trimming and it is just factory short, an slabbed A seems appropriate. Makes no sense.
Because you have to ask for it to be graded authentic
Yeah I can't submit with psa, too expensive. Their grades don't always add up either. Waiting for CSG or SGC to lower their bulk rate to a reasonable $10. Doesn't make sense for the cards I got. Another great video as always Chris!
The slabs are like $5 but they may get them cheaper for buying thousands at a time. To charge $10 a card (and I may be wrong but I looked into this for my card store) they would have to open, grade, slab a card every 3 minutes per grader. But if they can get slabs for $1 then they can average 5 min a card a person. Just guessing. I'd like to go watch for an hour though.
@@SgtJoeSmith prepandemic PSA was at $8 for bulk along with other companies.. So it's absolutely possible but after tasting the extra profits from increases they have no reason to go back. I'd really like SGC to bring it down to atleast $15 bc I think it'd help bring in more subs while possibly help them take more market share. Most importantly though I hope collectors & hobby adjust to give SGC & CSG more resale value bc I personally think they are equals if not better in certain aspects of the grading industry.
@@SgtJoeSmith also believe PSA said they on average take 1min to grade each card. I may be wrong myself but pretty sure thats what I remember hearing. Obviously some take longer or some shorter but seems like that isn't az much an issue. Also I think if they could come up with more a assembly line style grading system where cards are sent to surface grade then corners then edges then centering it'd make it easier for graders to focus on their expertise but I'm sure that's been thought of in industry & isn't feasible possibly. I understand less handling & movement of cards the better usually but if in semiridis or some special holder to be graded from would minimize it. Anyways sorry for ranting, always all kinds of ideas for the hobby but no resources or know how to try & implement or get it out there. Hobby Think Tank lets start it lol
@@tombullard6167 personally I think one of SGC's downfalls for collectors is no registry, especially for those that have a lot of PSA slabs already. I like and prefer vintage cards in a tux though..
@@jakestoe yeah registry & just supporting collectors & those in it for the love should be enabled & encouraged to come grade with em so agree they should focus on what they can do outside just grading aspect to bring more to the table
Heilmann a low end HOFer??? Look him up...he's an all time great!!!!
You are correct but I meant in terms of hobby interest.
Chris, I like your rationale for the break-even cases (graded vs. cracking and selling raw), but I’m curious if you’re more OK cracking if the raw value is higher than the graded version you receive (like maybe the 88 Jordan)?
If its close like the 88 Jordan I probably will not crack it
I guarantee 💯 that SGC will get the grades you're looking for Chris
good job buddy, keep the info going, its helping me out a lot, i started in the 80s so i have some good stuff, i havent gradded anything yet but im getting ready. what do you think sells faster comic cards or baseball cards.
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Thanks! I really have no experience with comics so I couldnt answer your question.
Chris - insurance question. When sending cards to PSA, do you insure for the raw value, your expected graded value, or something in between? For example, if you were sending 10 of the same card, each with a raw value of $50, but graded values of $90 for an “8” and $300 for a “9” (and you expecting to receive an “8” or “9”), how much insurance do you purchase? Thanks.
I'm not Chris but good question. 1st, the value is arbitrary and depends if you can find someone to pay that. 2nd, technically until they are graded and get those grades they are worth raw value. Insurance companies pay what something is worth at the time of loss not what it might be worth in the future. (get an old 60 Mustang from junk yard for $500 and take home to restore and sell at Mecum but garage burns down before you start, Insurance will pay what you paid not what you could've sold it for at auction restored) But at same time when it comes to mail insurance you decide the value and then pay your 1 time premium based on that. But say you list it as valued at its graded value and pay based on that and its lost going to PSA, not coming back. I don't know if insurance company would but they might, only pay raw value despite you paying the higher premium. This may be a question to ask the Post Office. If you declare X value and pay the rate for that value are you guaranteed that value if lost or is there a possibility they will claim item lost is worth less and pay less? Of course if they do pay less I guess you can sue but that's $2k probably and chance of only getting your $5 insurance fee refunded. Sorry this wasn't a short simple answer.
I insure for what I think the graded value will be. But as Sgt Joe Smith stated, its very arbitrary and not something to be really concerned about. Just make a very loose reasonable guess and you will be fine.
Thank you both for the thoughtful responses!
@@collectorinvestordealer Thank you Chris for your reply and opinion. I greatly appreciate and respect it. I was hoping you would reply to this but wanted to toss out my thoughts in case you didn't. And Steve, Chris is probably right but ask your local post office.
@@SgtJoeSmith Shipping companies pay out what you insured it for. If you insure a card for 50 and it gets ruined they pay you 50 regardless of what you could buy the item for
Getting lower grades than expected is always disappointing if you're not mentally prepared,. I am excited to send some cards off again after being so many years since my last submission which was really saddening. I sent off mostly Barry Bonds cards I had pulled or bought the update or traded sets. Shortly after getting the BGS graded cards back is when his career took a nosedive over the bakco scandal!
Chris, as always great content… so for these 11 graded cards which platform will you sell them on? eBay, hoodies, comc?
Most of these I will sell through Greg Morris
@@collectorinvestordealer , I'm curious why Greg Morris over eBay? Are Greg Morris fees lower or have more views?
Is the 265$ profit take in account for the shipping fees? Thanks
Yes, this factored in all the shipping and insurance fees
I admire and respect Chris and his thoughts and opinions and by all means am not trying to say hes wrong or disrespect him here. Just 1 thing to point out is profit is based on that card being sold for last or average sale price. That price I have seen range from $5 a card to $100 a card. After you send it for grading that player may be the MVP of super bowl or something and everyone wants it and card comes back as 10 and you can sell for $5k more than you thought originally and make a bigger profit, But also after you send it off the player could drive drunk at 130mph in Vegas and kill someone and now everyone throws that players cards in the trash. True, overall you will get more from graded cards that come back 8 or higher usually vs raw. Lower grades you may break even. With sometimes months delay on grading returns, its almost like playing the stock market. I am not trying to undermine Chris or stop you from grading. Just do your research cause your results may vary for better or for worse.
Are you planning grading on comc then make a video about it.
I havent used the CSG/COMC thing yet but I may at some point.
When you say a corner is “tipped” do you mean it is a minor ding?
Yes that is what I was trying to say
Quick question, does SGC have a min size equivalent? If so, do they charge you for it?
If SGC thinks a card is minisize, they put it in an "Authentic" holder
@@collectorinvestordealer good to know.
If you get a mini-sized card back from PSA what is the ethical thing to do when selling it after? Do you sell it as is like any other raw card or are you obligated to say that it is mini-sized?
The ethical thing to do is measure it and as long as it isn't 1/32nd" too small resubmit it to PSA and it will likely come back graded... Then we can all have an 'ethical' laugh at PSA and the fickleness of card grading
Yes. You tell the buyer that while the card is genuine, it won't grade. And they have to decide if they want it or not. (At a reduced price.)
I think if you are going to sell it raw after it getting labeled minisize, you should disclose that in your listing.
Chris, have you been neglecting your vegetables again? 🤨🤨 Ran out of gas with the Texas Snowman, and then this? Tsk, tsk, for shame. 🤦♂🤦♂🤣🤣🤣🤣
You got me!
PSA is terrible on vintage
PSA doesn't even always follow their own grading criteria you're at the mercy of whoever is, looking over the cards. They could be having a bad day or hold certain biases and grudges against certain players and you would never know or be able to prove it.
I do strictly vintage stuff and I'm wondering how many of their graders just don't know vintage, because surface concerns between modern/ultramodern and vintage are very different...
@@kenrogers1948 Possibly. I have more faith in SGC for vintage
Awesome Vid 🔥💯
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We have a winner!
@@collectorinvestordealer I’d like to thank the Academy, my agent, Steve Jobs for this lightning quick phone, and most of all, my addiction to this screen for allowing me to immediately click on the notification when Chris uploaded this video 🙌🏼
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