DMP #37 - Xingyiquan & The Harmonies
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- Damo Mitchell talking on one of the most requested podcasts which is an episode on the subject of Xingyiquan. It's quite a niche subject, so maybe not of interest to many, but this talk looks at the core principles of Dan Tian development and the Liu He or 'Six Harmonies' in Xingyiquan and the San Ti standing posture. The episode concludes with a discussion of the true meaning of the style's name: 'Form Intention Boxing'.
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The only bad thing of this podcast is it's too short!
Very interesting, many thanks for sharing this valuable information!
Would happily listen to more Xingyiquan content from you anytime
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You do requests!?! Bagua! Bagua! Several times I've heard you mention that the internal aspects of bagua are different. Would love to hear more.
Hearing you describe this amd realize I've done this
As a practitioner of Liuhebafa (6 cooperations and 8 methods) I like your insight...
Blessings Damo 🙏 What a precise, dense, and straight forward explanation of Xingyi!
I love how at 15:00 Damo just subtly drops a fairly comprehensive formula as if it was just an aside.
Update: Holy moly I'm only at the 20:00 minute mark and Damo is dropping so much useful knowledge. I can tell this is going to be a video I will return to countless times throughout my life.
Glad it was helpful
Thank you Damo for helping me to understand the six harmonies better and the correct path to obtain the method. Brilliant but simple and concise explanation and you're podcasts are very useful, welcome and important for we who listen.
Superb! Such clarity!! 🙏🙏🙏
Hey, great video. I "watched" this podcast on Spotify, then checked your youtube to thank you. I am practicing nei gong & qi gong, & your verbal description gave me a quite a clear idea of the 6 harmonies, & how they interoperate. Also, your sign language on camera is perfect :)
thanks Damo, always spot on!
Thank you damo for your time
Great explanation Damo
TY Damo. Song and Ting. Super Clear.
Excellent
Thank you it helps so much when you are trying alone with faith and weekly on line training. Very, very much appreciated.
Thank you!!
Excellent!
Thanks for this! A past student of xing-I, I never understood the fundamental concepts behind the fourth, fifth and sixth harmonies.
Brilliant podcast, was always curious about why xing yi quan looked the way it does and what it's about other than people doing short movements that look very contracted and stiff but it's supposed to be internal and a recommended prerequisite for power generation in Bagua zhang. Thank you deeply for yet another wonderful talk and LOVE the new shirts🙏👕
Lovely talk
Thanks. Was worried it wasn’t clear :)
Very interesting, I re-plaid a few sections 🙂
Brilliant. 🔥🔥🔥
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Xing yi quan & The Harmonies, I love that band!
Nice 👍🏼
When training Xing I I found the power came really fast within 6.months , other styles.took.a.lot.longer.it seems just super concise. Very cool little system
Namaste boss❤
Kia ora from New Zealand. I really like this content. Not many schools down here. Just maybe One instructor under Bruce Franztis who teaches Chen and Baguazhang. Subscribed.
Greetings from Bali 👋
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XINGYIQUUUAAANNNNN
I think I mentioned you in it?
Haha yes it was funny, I left the comment a couple of minutes before hearing that part 😅
Living up to the love of Xingyiquan
Good podcast Damo. I see the same principles of what you r saying about the lower dan tien in other schools... The concept of "Kissing the dan tien" by coordinating the center of gravity with in the same high, then open the joints and channels of the legs (and all) for letting the vibrations of the earth penetrate inside and making the reformation of lower dan tien, yi in the lower dan tien, abdominal breathing etc etc. It is kinda interesting the similarities.
The only part of this I don’t use is the vibrations from earth entering through the legs. It’s not actually needed in my experience :)
But the combination of dropping centre, compressing the abdominal cavity and applying the attention is key. This changes for seated versions of course but for standing practice, this is the way! 😁
@@LotusNeiGong yeah, when I awakened my lower dan tien I used the same process (but I think things like binaural helped a lot), however I think the "vibrations from the earth" that people talk about maybe is something that happens by itself on the practice (?)
Great talk. Would really enjoy a talk discussing the differences between taiji, bagua and Xingyi. Obviously there are so many overlaps even just in the static posture training in Wuji or santi and even the bagua circle walking. But it would be great to learn about the points where these arts deviate from one another. Thank you for all your sharing of knowledge. I’ve been loving going through your online trainings. Clearing up so many misunderstandings I’ve had over the years of practicing these arts before starting your programs. 🙏
Agree
Differences between the three can be done :)
@@LotusNeiGong thanks so much!
Really interesting thanks Damo, it's one I'll have to come back to. When you describe the process of creating the dantien and compressing using the diaphragm, perineum etc; once this is complete is it possible to reverse the process and go back to a normal body or does it become permanent, for better or worse?
It’s pretty permanent to be honest 🤷🏼♂️
Thank you Damo. I didn't realise you was open to taking request topics. I would like to request, if possible, can you talk about the time when you had somebody come to you for a 'chi-kung disorder'. You mentioned briefly he came to you seeking help for something that he had inadvertantly caused and though you tried you were unable to rectify his issues. You mentioned he subsequently ended his life and I would like for you to zoom in on this experience you had with this person.
I don't mean to pry but I can relate to this experience in my own life right now so again if posssible and you don't mind please do a video on this.
Hi Gary, happy to talk generally about Qigong disorder but don’t want to hone in too much on this particular case out of respect for the man’s family 🙏🏻 but I think I need to discuss Qigong disorder in one of these podcasts soon, yes
@@LotusNeiGong Yes dont hone in too much to give personal details away but just your anecdotal experience of this particular one and any others that you may have had. This is a subject which is often neglected but so important.
These 6 harmonies sounds very interesting. Do you have classes where it's possible to come and learn this, and nothing more than just this, or do students need participate in other styles like Taiji or Bagua to learn this 6 harmonies?
32:44 harmony 5
In your web one can learn the Xing Yi system as you explained here? The 3 levels?
Hello Damo, one question plz, do you teach the martial application of Xingyiquan in your classes, in the online school? Thank you.
Great stuff Damo! Love your t shirt is it an XL?
I don’t know. It’s here: lngmerch.com
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@@LotusNeiGong cheers
Ha, awesome shirt 😂
My Sifu described Xingiy as a drill, penetrating forward.
Six Harmony concept is for the whole XingYi quan training not just for San Ti. Same goes with Dantien and Qi development. You develop the skills from San Ti, Five elements, Twelve Animals and etc.
Of course, but the root cause is San Ti. If you don’t have these principles in San Ti, they are not in the other aspects of the practice.
Movements don’t build DT or Qi though, they just mobilise what is already there or, in many cases, not there 😁
@@LotusNeiGong Hi Damo, I have a different view on that. There are certain methods mentioned in XingYi classics in developing DT and Qi. I believe they can not be done by just doing San Ti. Even some prominent Xing Yi Masters in the old days actually spent less time on San Ti but more on Five element.
Sure thing. Different views make life interesting :)
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Woo Woo Forever!
Woo Woo ?
Woo Woo Wei would be better
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@@Foma_Stuppa Wei Woo Wei? Woo Wei?
Six harmonies: 18:36
Can you build the dantien in sitting or is static standing (wuji, San ti, etc.) required? Can the dantien be built in ding shir or moving or is stillness required?
Dan Tian can be built sitting yes, and there are a few ways to do it but it’s is rarely done moving. People who practice the internal arts and who only move, rarely have any Dan Tian or Qi to talk of :)
@@LotusNeiGong thank you very much. I appreciate the response.
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Thanks Damo for an indepth preview of the art. It seems to me that in this art, as well as taichi, your whole journey is about building up as much qi as you can which then becomes jinn and this jinn is what you use to basically fight with an opponent; but it feels like a waste of time to use your jinn to disable your opponent because your depleting yourself. Adam Mizner showed a scene in one of his videos where he usedhis jinn power to hit an opponent who had trained in iron-body or iron bell training. A normal external punch wouldn't affect him by disabling him but when Adam used his jinn the opponent was in pain and couldn't take it despite the prior ironbody training.
But everytime you use your jinn your using your own body qi, which is what xingyiquan is based on in the hidden or end stage of development, and thus depleting yourself no?
Yang taichi is also very much based on this jinn power like xingyiqyan so would suffer from the same qi depletion however chen style taichi, even though it has jinn development training, used more qi-na and other joint breaking techniques that does not appear to be using jinn on first glance, or maybe it does, so wouldnt chen style taichi be the a better or more non-wasterful art to focus on seeing as xingyiquan and Yang taichi (and any other art that uses jinn) deplete your chi. Obviously this is not going to be a major impact to your health unless you fight every day and use up a lot of jinn/qi daily but otherwise your retaining what you develop during jam-jong static postures so its not a waste.
Would you say chen style taichi is much more non wasteful than xingyiquan or yang taichi given that the chi is largely kept inside the body to strengthen the dantien and body, given that they mainly focus on qi-na which does not emit jinn outside the body but instead the dantien moves inside the body to direct the limbs to lock someones arm or neck in order to twist, shear and break?
Using Jin mobalizes the Qi inside, it is generally not projecting the qi out and does not deplete the Qi.
@@DiscoverTaiji That's interesting thanks for the clarification. I used to train with students of the gin-su chu/vincent chu line of taichi coming down the. They practiced a form of push hands known as dynamic push hands where, and I can't fully explain the internal mechanism, the teacher would 'inject' jin into the students body which would cause the student react in a myriad of movments that cause watchers to cry out FAKE!!. But the purpose of the activity was to strengthen the students dantien so it was constantly progressing to come on par with the power of the teachers dantien. I think this was like a shortcut so the student doesn't have engage in neigong and all those alchemical practice rituals which new students would find very difficult. Along the way the students qi would be strengthened to the point where it becomes jinn.
Come to think of it isn't this jinn just a thickened version of qi which Damo talks about, being the only way to advance in martial arts based on neigong, it gradually becomes more dense and once you accumulate alot it floods the channels and thats when the whole body essentially becomes one big dantien, along with all the tendon work alongside?
So, rightly or wrongly, isn't the jinn that I presume is emitted outside the body (although I'm in agreement with you that qi is not emitted but that could just be semantics if we establish an apriori that jinn is an extention of your bodies qi, albeit a much more refined and octane version of this substance?). So by emitting jinn isn't that depleting anyway. I mean even when doing static posture work there are ways of holding the palms and feet and other points of the body, that I have heard mentioned, so as not to emit too much qi thereby depleting yourself. Even the taichi fast form is supposed to be a about emitting qi because its advanced and your supposed to have built up a lot of qi/jinn that you dont lose much qi in the slow form.
In any case have you heard of jinn, qi mentioned in these terms as described above or do you have a quite different paradigm associated with these terms and how they work?
@@carlholmes-gi8py I think the emitting Qi is simply something different from fajin, it is faqi. I also don't believe that "dynamic or power push hands" builds the dan tien.
@@DiscoverTaiji Interesting on there being a fajin and a faqi, I wasn't aware of this.
If dynamic push hands doesn't build the dantien what purpose in their curriculum do you believe it serves?
@@carlholmes-gi8py it builds a spring like connected body power
After transformation, does a Hsing-I body look like a Tai Chi body? Or have I got the wrong end of the stick ?
It’s not quite the same, a little more ‘tensile’
@@LotusNeiGong Wow Damo himself! I am on your online course (not this username). I know you probably won't like the adoration, but finding you and your clear descriptions and affable personality has made a world of difference to my practise. Thank you for the reply. To clarify the body question, to a non--practicioner looking at the changed bodies is there a discernable physical property difference they would see?
Well, if someone insults you or is about to attack you, you will know if you are in a meditative state or not...
San ti is just like zhanzhuang in taichi if you do it correct. There is no difference in dantien. There is only one (lower)dantien. How you use youre dantien is differend in this system.
Taichi didnt had zz in the first place until they saw how good it was.
Oh no, I am sorry but this is not true. There are distinct differences between ZZ and San Ti. Taiji and Xingyi do not work the same way. This is a common misunderstanding in the internal arts and whoever told you this probably hasn’t studied the arts enough to understand their differences :)
@@LotusNeiGong Then we agree to disagree. I still enjoy listening to your podcast 🙏
Taiji and Xingyi are very different and work in a totally different ways, both in power generation methods and tactically. ZZ and the standing Ding shi practices of Taiji are also very different.
@@DiscoverTaiji I disagree with you here. Zhan zhuang is a nei gong practice. The principles like "sinking the qi" can be seen in all internal martial arts. What makes Ding shi different from ZZ?
Ding Shi is walking the circle? Well to walk you have to move externally, right? ZZ your external is relatively fixed and the inside is what you're "doing." Isn't that kind of the opposite?
This video is a very wordy explanation of the state of mind I call the Daoist Mind, it is non-linguistic and sensory immediate. Although I do this and more with a simpler explanation because I'm self taught its hard to put into words I guess exactly how I accomplish the video below, but thank you for explaining these concepts the traditional way. However an explanation is only the image of the real.
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Mate, you’re terrible. You can’t learn Bagua from a book. I subscribed and gave some advice and you gave me advice? GFY
@@freshtigertracksinthemud3052 What can I say, my videos speak for themselves
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