DMP #36 - Criminal Cult Leaders
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 เม.ย. 2024
- In a slightly more serious (sometimes) podcast episode, Adam Mizner and Damo Mitchell discuss some of the hate that comes their way. Damo reads out an online article which paints himself and Adam as s3xually deviant, criminal cult leaders and the two of them respond.
Being in the public brings a lot of hatred these days and the two shine a light on the kind of attacks which are an almost daily part of their teaching lives.
Trigger warning: If sensitive, you should know that some dark topics are discussed.
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The higher you fly the smaller you look in the eyes of the world.
First of all I’m not in anyway a student of Damo but am a big fan…I’m 63 now and I can tell you people that both Domo’s books and his videos are some of the best I have ever seen bar none. He’s opened up the world of Nei Gong with honesty and integrity and I for one thank him for this. I understand more after reading Domo’s books and watching his videos in the last 4 years than I have in the past 40. People have no idea how restricted much of the information that Damo now gives out for free was…
I suggest people ignore the vitriol that always exists on the internet, it’s just the way it is .
I wish Damo a long life and good fortune. Oh, thanks for all your work mate and all the best in your future cultivation.
Too kind 🙏🏻
Adam takes an incredible amount of heat online, and anyone associated with him gets the tar brush. I had people question decades of my training because I said he’s legit. But his teaching has helped me move so far beyond where I was that I really couldn’t care less what those people think.
Good for you guys not dropping names. The same people contacted me a while back and tried to convince me of this.
Always love seeing Adam here! You guys rock!
always appreciate the chance to hear you two in conversation !! thank you both!
Although the dark topics discussed, this was hilarious, thanks guys!
I really appreciate the both of you & have learnt so much from you sharing your knowledge on youtube for 'free' & Damo's books. Nothing but gratitude & respect to you both 🙏
Old saying "A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds and when those weeds begin to grow,then oh! what sorrow." I would say your gardens are well cultivated and the sorrow shall be theirs .
i love to watch your videos and listen to the conversations. thank you!
You guys are so cool 😎 I'd have been tempted to name my accusers too and you're right, it'll be better off in the long run to just turn the other cheek.
It's very sad and possibly a mentally illness that these people are slagging others off and putting B.S on the internet. I love these videos of Damo and Adam , fantastic stuff and thank you for sharing.
I love the camaraderie between these guys!
Although it's a podcast, you've demonstrated humour is a great antidote.
sending love to everyone...
I think you're both valuable human beings and i'm glad you're choosing to share the teachings you've learnt. I'll always appreciate that.
Libel is written, slander is spoken.
The deeper you put it in, the harder it is to work out. :D
P.S. Good thing I'm the one Irish guy who doesn't eat potatoes!
P.P.S. I'm actually glad you didn't name names. It wouldn't have achieved anything positive, although I'm sure it would have felt good in the short term.
I had a great time listening to you two laughing off these extremely vicious lies anyway. Well played!
Aha okay, didn’t know it was that simple a distinction:)
I think Adam may have said the word "liable" and was correct in his definition. Libel is written slander.
Laughed my buns off about the smoking bit.
It's appalling that some folks have the urge to write obvious lies.
Great to see you 2 on a podcast again.
I will drink to that. 🎉🎉🎉
I am glad you both addressed these matters. A bit of humor seems appropriate 😂😂 since these allegations are so silly.
Good to hear you 2 talk. Funny and eye opening.
Great lesson in not buying in to haters. Money where your mouth is kind of walk, kudos to both of you.
If it wasn’t such a serious matter it would be a comedy, but you both made me laugh as you usually do. 👍
Thanks for clarity on this dark topic, which I did not know about, as I am avoidant of most gossip type media. So much drama is due to people's fascination with celebrities' shadows, but never their own shadow. This teaching/chat seems to highlight the importance of allowing your inner boundary to push back on the external deformations that encroach on your feild of influence. And the elegance and power of character that you all do so with is evidence of a moral strength that raises my personal bar for defending against bullying in the outer arena of life. Sure, they say "all press is good press", and "free speech" blah blah blah, but when malicious attacks attempt to injure the hearts of your wives and families, or break the trust of your students and clients, defense is justified. If those unnamed perverts need motivation to behave, the remedy could be a hefty lean via notice or affidavit of rebuttal for lawful enforcement of your kind request for them to stop slandering you (depending on their country where they hold bank accounts).
Sorry for the long rant. That kind of fuckery gets my satya a bit agrro. Sencerely, ~k🙏🏼
*lein... for their liability :)
❤great talk! Funny😂 you two are the best!
we appreciate your help, Damo!
The candor with which you two approach these matters and open up is just as impressive as you taking the high road, staying the course of integrity and morality. Touching such a toxic subject of people trying to drag you to their level of mud without 'butting in or pulling away' as Shifu Adam described pressure response in push hands (paraphrasing perhaps), which just shows you live up to your teachings, which are deep, very hard to come by to that level and you share continuously and freely.
The highest accomplished Bagua, Wuji and Vietnamese Wing Chun masters I ever saw all smoked, like countless others in the world, and picking on that during a *free* podcast says so much more about the critic commentator than anything.
I also think it's worth mentioning the Jurassic Park LNG tshirt is hillarious.
If attaining high skills in the internal arts, maintaining (what I judge as) impeccable moral conduct teaching online and when chatting privately, with humility and self-depricating humor and willingness to openly share it with those who express interest is considered leading a criminal cult these days, I'm going to look for your sign up sheets😂🙏
I'd pay for the uncut version of this episode not because I want to shame anyone (I guarantee I won't even know any of these people) but because I know it'd be funny! I listen to your podcasts just as much for the English banter (which I miss living in Australia) as I do for the information. Glad you both addressed this though in such a comical and light hearted way - as even I have heard this story about Adam and I don't spend a second on those toxic FB groups.
A great description of a narcissist & narcissistic behaviour is exactly what this or these people are doing to you guys... narcissists love to chop the head off of others to make themselves feel taller, than than put in the hard work to change... blessings to you both✨🙏✨
Gangsters, OGs!! Love this post, Damo and Adam!!
Sending hugs and appreciation your way!
From the both of you I’ve gotten some excellent questions to ask my own instructor (Longmen, Hunyuan). 🙏
You are going to ask your teacher about the article?! 😂
@@LotusNeiGong 😂 “Shifu, what are these crazy people talking about??”
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So I thought it was about actual rapist cult leaders… but it was just about those two and their secret fans… what a shame 😅
This is hilarious 🤣 stuff. Love it. Keep it coming 🙏
There were folks who stood up and told Stuart Little on his soap box that it was just wrong what he was doing. Like Dawkins, he is so afraid that there is something beyond the material that he feels he must slay the messenger. Sad.
Anyone has the link to that lovely website?
It’s weird the timing of you two answering these concerns because I found out about this recently as well. I read the same articles from the same fake websites it was going around and some people believed it.
The articles come from a couple of teachers with a vested interest in making myself and Adam look bad. These kinds of crimes are the easiest things to throw at people to destroy reputations as they are the most heinous things that can happen within a society 🤷🏼♂️
Aaaaaand the internet believes anything that is stated, especially as there is a tendency for people to want to believe the worst in those they deem as being more in the public eye :)
@@LotusNeiGong I'm actually pleased with how obviously fake these websites and articles were.
Well, if they are going to fake something, they could at least make it funnier :(
lol. I was listening expectantly and eagerly for the names at the end, big reveal! Too bad no drama :(
Truth is not held in high regard. Lies lies and more lies
I can't understand the kind of haters who would slander two such charming gentlemen.
The worst part is I’ve joined both of their cults hoping to be abused, yet my practice is so bad here I am still waiting ..🤷🏻♂️ wtf
Oh, we will get around to you soon sir…. 😈 you can’t escape the cult clutches! 😆
People who have discernment will know
My teacher has been a student of Damo's - has only good things to say about him. Anyway, we often chuckle together about the idiots on the internet who seem to make a career of slinging mud. It's their motivation that remains so mysterious. If you doubt someone's skills, you can ignore them, or find them and see if you're right - in an honest spirit of enquiry I mean, not by causing trouble - but spending time and energy slandering them only proves the stupidity of hate.
Nice podcast, please do the video visiting China to get iniciations!! it could go like a contest maybe?
Yes, I think we will do it. I think it would be the most fun if we went and didn’t use any of our contacts. Like cold-calling schools to see if we can get lineage certificates 😂
@@LotusNeiGong That would be so funny!! Please do it!!
Awh we here in Belgium were just hoping you would do a workshop, Adam can take the boredom but you can't ? 😂
It's true though. Belgium's boring!
I know a Ukrainian inner disciple of this Taoist monk from this Dragon Gate branch who was initiated more than ten years ago and only this year started learning Chinese in depth. And this in no way prevents his practice from being deep and successful. By the way, it was with him that I first encountered this approach to body transformation, which I later saw with Damo and Adam - a lot of real static work (with internal details, not just standing), a lot of preparatory practices and all their Taiji Quan- style (which is the style of their monastic lineage) is preparation for seated practice and Nei Dan. th-cam.com/video/IKtKKY3UACo/w-d-xo.html
Yes indeed, there are many initiated into Dragon Gate. Plenty of people. Other Daoist sects too, most don’t speak Chinese 🤷🏼♂️
I'm barley awake and squinting, Adams t shirt looks like a jurrasixc park t shirt
That’s Damo’s T Shirt :)
And king David was named after me! lol.
Great video, considering the awful topics. So sorry to hear about your families being dragged into this nonsense. I used to be in the late Moy Lin-Shin's organisation. He's got his own fair share of internet nonsense about him. He had a monastic background, achieved what he said was an intermediate level of energetic development, and occasionally would have a small drink at dinner functions. I believe he may have smoked when younger and during some big fuss about banning smoking at a venue, he lit up and told the main anti-smoking guy that he was doing more harm getting so angry about it, than breathing in a bit of smoke.
There was a warning in the Taoist Tai Chi instructors handbook way back in the 80s, advising people to avoid sexual energy practices. Mr Moy also ended up helping fix people that came to him after getting messed up energetically by some other chi kung teachers, I heard principally the organisation that most famously promotes the sexual stuff.
PS I was pleased to see your comments about not tucking the pelvis, in a few places in your videos and books. One of the many things you have said that matches with what we were told.
I never seen any negatively about Mr Moy in particular hit it doesn’t surprise me. You can’t teach at any level without people throwing mud :)
There was a certain Yiquan teacher who dm'ed me news articles about Adam's brother after I had dared to suggest that Adam's system was the real thing and not what he insisted was 'bullshit fake martial arts'. Apparently then my own morality was in question if I was to continue training in a system. I didn't waste any more time talking to such a person tbh
A riveting modern kung fu battle 😂
I read those articles a while ago. Didn't know anything about Adam's half brother but as soon I as I read the Internal Academy "review" it eas instantly clear that the whole thing was made up bs with vile intent.
The person who wrote the articles is a student of a teacher that really hates us both. I think he thinks he is if fighting the good fight by repeating his teachers lies :)
Heh, i like how you keep your value high by not retaliating to these allegetions, which is what they would like you to do so they can reach the spotlight. Whats you gonna do. With the way the internet has become everyone can throw mud hopping that something will stick, iinsert meme: its free real estate. By the way, you mentioned Greece in a photo. Is there any plans for a branch in Greece in the future?
Unlikely for me to teach in Greece but high chance of Adam doing so I would guess as he spends a lot of time there :)
Put some lawyers on them
It looks like those jokers are jealous of you and Adam. They probably didn't amount to much in their own internal training, thought it was fake and wanted to spoil your fun. I wouldn't mess with you and Adam on account of having observed your movements you two seem like the real deal.
No no, I am very soft, easy to mess with :)
Great video and thanks for being open and honest about everything, its a difficult thing to come by. I feel like a little bit of respect should be shown to China, its traditions have given us these arts, we all know the history and causes that have led to the current occupation that has created the anti-foreign environment there. The mountains, temples and rich history are still beautiful and after all tudou isnt really that hard to pronounce is it? I can think of three different potential villains in this story, a French, a British and a Russian, this would assist in not ever giving any money to these people if one day I felt inclined.
You need to breath it in deep down into your dantian, the smoke particles will catalyze the low temp nuclear fusion transmutation process in your blood. I addition you can also drink small amount of colloidal gold, monatomic gold and colloidal silver daily, which will have an affinity for the enhanced electrical activity and bind with your nervous system, enabling it to handle more load. Eventually, you'll be able to charge up to 200% Chi or greater, having a surplus of energy to perform various skills. Does this have any basis in reality?🙏🙏
Well done for your podcast. The internet is such a dirty place full of so much hate and lies from shit slinging wankers, glad that you decided not to stoop to that level. Not wanting to be a judgemental BUTT, On the subject of smoking, I am reminded of Yule Brynner's famous raspy quote. Selfishly l want you guys to stay healthy so can continue to spread the good stuff as a necessary counterpoint to all the fluff.
It’s okay, we hardly smoke actually. We just did it for effect on the this podcast. Funniest thing is, neither of us wanted to smoke on this one, we weren’t in the mood, but it seemed to fit the topic 🤷🏼♂️
Well balanced video. Good laughs😁 and also some serious matter being discussed. No sensible person can take those delusional and non-sensical accusations against you and Adam seriously, IMO. To me, not doxing those people, but showing compassion and care towards people that attacked you and Adam is so uncommon in our current era.
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Understand that likely the reason for writing the slander is just to get attention because this person is struggling mightily with self esteem. Replying to this in any form is not following the Tao and you guys are only playing into this person's need for attention. But I totally understand wanting to do this! Just remember self righteous anger is a pool of venom with a honey tipped barb!
Actually, I think you will find that we mostly found it amusing. But, as we said, we felt we needed to respond because others linked to us are affected.
And actually, the source of all this are a couple of people that would surprise many! Not necessarily self esteem so much as bitter hatred….sadly :)
PS - I never follow the Dao, I am not Daoist :)
self righteous anger? there is no anger there...
@@LotusNeiGong Of course you follow the Tao, maybe you just call it differently. I have very much respect for you and am a subscriber to your online classes as a person who wishes to augment my health and esoteric practice. I stand by my statement, but certainly I am not an authority.
@@DiscoverTaiji look deeper perhaps
@LotusNeiGong the p.s sounds like a great idea for a video btw😂
The syntax of the writing sounds Chinese
Maybe the spelling of cult was incorrect. lol.
I watch your videos (thank you) for education around Nei Gong, but I think criticism Wudang Tai Chi is in bad taste? Someone like Master Gu at the Wudang Wellness Academy is a true benefit to mankind, he's absolutely wonderful in all respects. I know you didn't say him directly, but when you say 'Wudang Tai Chi' that includes him. But, if you're talking about the 'clique' aspects of some schools up there, then fair enough.
I met master Gu, he seems like a nice man to me.
My official view on Wudang is this - it’s a nice form of modern wushu. Very aesthetically nice and very graceful, good for exercise and good for people’s to move their body. But it is not an internal art in any way at all, not even slightly. But most people don’t need an internal art anyway, it’s complicated and time consuming in the extreme; what most people would be better off doing is moving their body with some aesthetic Wushu and Wudang style fits that bill for sure :)
@@LotusNeiGong That's nice that you met him, I'm glad you like him. I understand he doesn't teach internal art, he knows about it and even has a video about it on youtube (one I actually recorded for him, standing there!) Just being there, eating the diet he prescribed, living the daily lifestyle, ritual, exercise - changed my life when I needed it most. It also introduced me to the Dao De Jing, mindfulness and meditation. Also I would not have become interested in your teachings if I hadn't already experienced all that. Thank you for your kind reply :)
What is real initiation? New podcast? 😃😃😃
He already did one a couple episodes ago.
The only thing criminal is that tai chi will work for self defence. All the tai chi guys have to do is test it in MMA. Xu Xiaodong beat them making it look easy.
TaiChI dOeSnt WoRk iN Da CagE 🥴
@@LotusNeiGong Yes we know it has been proven. Anyone who can sell tai chi in 2024 is one hell of a salesman. 🤣
Matty Stampe? Mikey Sigman? And several other mechanistic tools with incomplete training. And then there are those who refuse to believe there is a changquan form, even with the Yang family? I' don't have any of Damo and Adam's sensibilities. As Adam always says, one touch and you know. But fear has not allowed them that one touch.
To be fair to Matt Stampe, I don’t think he has engaged in these personal attacks. At least not these ones 😂 and I don’t really know anything about Mike Sigman to be honest :)
Wow - never thought i would be defending Matt!
@@LotusNeiGong I think Mike has engaged more with Adam. I met him once, I found his training to be rudimentary at best. I don't know to whom you both refer and it's irrelevant at the end of the day.
@@LotusNeiGong Yeah, it wasn't Matt. He sent me a DM about this, and would have told me about it. The stuff about Taoist initiates isn't true.
what stuff about Taoist initiates isn’t true sorry?
@@LotusNeiGong that you need to speak Chinese to be ordained
I have never met Adam (I have attended 2 seminars run by one of his senior students) but I have met Damo at a few of his Uk seminars and train with with one of his senior students in the UK. I do not smoke (did have a few cigars/cigarillos when younger) and my internal arts level is very basic so perhaps I should start smoking at the age of 66 and perhaps my skill will develop. If it does not I will write to them (a real letter not an internet thingy) to chastise them for leading me down the wrong path.
I'm sure they know a lot about the things that they teach, but there are some better sources for learning about the powers of smoking (Ninja Nerd or the Institute of Human Anatomy TH-cam channels would be a good start). These incredible powers include the power of chronic obstructive lung disease, featuring bronchial inflammation, mucous, bronchospasms, loss of bronchial and alveolar elasticity, alveolar destruction, hyperinflated lungs, lung collapse, low blood oxygen levels and high carbon dioxide levels leading to shortness of breath, hypertension, heart failure, blood acidosis etc. At least they're not telling you it's good for you.
I can see you were upset about someone spreading lies towards you and Adam…but you were highly disrespectful to the Chinese people, the Chinese language, and China especially the Shandong people as a whole….one would think you would respect the origins of the very art (Taoism and Neigong and Tai Ji) you represent with your on line presents…you have made great accomplishments in your practice and sharing your knowledge but insulting others serves what purpose?
Ha - What I didn't do was write articles accusing the Chinese people,e of being sexual predators and so on so don't even bother trying to make that idiotic equivalency. With regards to Shandong, I believe I said they spoke funny; hardly the most offensive thing in the world.
Please don't be so daft.
agree 100%
This Fa Jin Facebook Group is so funny... all they do is telling each other that there is no Fa Jin ... and then throw a thousand different ways at each other of how to most certainly not do TaiJi. The other Thing they do is discrediting teachers who actually share proper knowledge 😂 and that is all they got... properly entertained me for a bit ❤
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