With the iconic dunk tank scene at the end, when they showed Chloes heartbroken face when she saw the chemistry between Clois, I always laughed! I was like "Yes! Get over it and MOVE ON! Clark isn't into you girlfriend!" 😂😂😂
The witty banter between Lois and Clark just completely changes the show. I love it’s not just a teen drama about sex, you get to see their characters develop and ultimately find each other. Best Superman show ever!
It was a classic freak of the week episode but Lois elevated it. Lois brings so much lightness and fun to the series and the friendship with Clark. Next to her he is lighter and more cynical and less sad and moody like with Lana. It seems like Lex is flirtier with Lana than before, maybe foreshadowing... I love the iconic Clois Dunk Tank scene with the Avril Lavine's song. I will give it 🌹
I love this episode, final scene, with a look on Chloe‘s face as she sees how Clark and Lois look at each other, while the vocalist sings “so much for my happy ending”…
I think Tom just shines with Erica and we saw it with Clark and Lois. The dunk tank scene is iconic as it gets but it's all thanks to actors and their camaraderie and charisma. The way Tom lights up about Lois/Erica is great because I agree with Tom, Clark really did become free around her. Clark was finally able to be himself and that's a really beautiful thing.
The dunk tank scene was iconic, so electric, such fun. It just magnifies how Clois were perfect for each other from the start. Clark was his true self only around her because he was always this righteous dude around everyone else but with her, he could banter and that’s why she got to know him so well to, so kindred since the beginning. I can't wait for next week.
The fact that the dunk scene was completely unspoken and Tom and Erica made it one of the best and most iconic scenes in the entire series, says a lot about their chemistry and performance. It was beautifully done😍👌I actually enjoyed this episode. I feel like season 4 was so fun and yes they did have some bizarre episodes, but I think that was the point of season 4 where the writers were trying new things and just taking the characters to different and new places.
The ending scene in this episode is definitely a fan favorite. I mean the scene is iconic. One of the best Lois and Clark moments on the show. Great performance from Tom and Erica 😍
Dunk tank ending scene with the Avril Lavigne song playing was EVERYTHING!!! It's a silly episode, but Smallville is all about character development, baby! The kids have started to grow up and this season you can actually tell.
Love Tom's thoughts about the dunk tank scene. You know what I love about the iconic dunk tank scene. They're true to each other. Clark and Lois have zero pretenses. They're not hiding anything they're feeling, and they just see each other... warts and all. Their communication and honesty only gets better as their relationship grows from here, but that head tussle and grin said it all. Lois could reach out and touch Clark immediately, and Clark would receive it with no issues. That's it right there... they saw each other as people, not objects of affection.
That ending though. It was perfect. The interaction between Clark and Lois looked so genuine, as did the look of devastation on Chloe's face realizing that she's been sent back into the phantom friend zone over her own cousin. Also using My Happy Ending as the track was the chef's kiss.❤❤❤
This scene, for all of the reasons you stated, is among my top favourite scenes from the entire series --- and I think it stands out to me because they kept in Chloe's devastated/uncomfortable look. Perfection. lol.
@@toddyboy I love Chloe as a character and was overall rooting for her but never thought they had much chemistry at least in season 1. I don't mind her pining a bit as long as it's not too drawn out. Does it suck being rejected? Yes? Okay then deal with it haters. It sucks for Chloe sometimes. What are you expecting here. It would be weird for her NOT to react to Clark and Lois flirting. To me it makes her character feel more real, that look of "oh no not again" is so accurate. And it reinforces her loyalty and friendship to have put the pressure to betray him behind her, despite the fact she's still taking these emotional punches.
@@jerodast I also love Chloe and actually always thought that Chloe had much more chemistry with Clark than any other character in the series, since the very first episode in season 1, her emotions and personal dilemma feel so real and relatable. I'd much rather see her ending with Clark, plus to me Lois/Erica Durance is really annoying and I don't like her at all, but It is what It is
Tom’s love for Clark and Lois shines. He can’t stop talking about them and it’s fun to hear his thoughts! ❤ I love when Clark got to smirk around Lois because he's just a funny guy that loves her energy and their back and forth banter. Tom mentioned how he has that energy with Erica as well- so much fun. The best TV couples have romantic banter! ✨
The dunk tank scene is literally the most iconic scene on Smallville and it's basically just Tom and Erica in the moment which makes it so compelling. Also Tom referring to Clois as a rom-com couple is very true because that is what they are and Tom enjoys that. I love how Tom mentioned Moonlighting because Maddie and David are the pinnacle TV couple! he has great taste and it shows because he loves Clark and Lois and their banter and energy. The crackling chemistry between Tom and Erica is comparable to Cybill Shepherd and Bruce Willis, Myrna Loy and William Powell, Carole Lombard and Clark Gable, Hepburn and Tracy, and Bogart and Bacall- these are the couples you want to be and Tom and Erica sold it from the very start till the very end. Ryan said it best the SPARK Clois bring just POPS!
I never bought that. I grew up on Army bases right up until I graduated high school and got in many fights but the fights were just brawls. Out of the 7 different schools I attended I only knew of one person who could fight like Lois and my father was a veitnam vet/ranger with a combat infantry badge while being LTC/05.
The ending scene at the end was honestly the best part of the episode. So fun and sweet the banter between Clark and Lois. You could already see the chemistry between them. The way she ruffes his hair was sweet as well. Happy Wednesday!❤❤❤❤❤
11:02 yesss Tom gets it!! Clark becomes so much more interesting and toms acting improves we see more of his abilities. Personally that’s one of the main reasons I love Clark and Lois it’s because of the choices they Tom and Erica made as actors in retelling this love story
The presence of Erica's Lois really brought out an aspect of Clark (and the show), that hadn't really been there before. I agree, seeing the "Moonlighting"-style banter between Clark and Lois felt fresh at the time, considering we had 3 years of him just pining and moping over Lana, and Chloe playing the jealous best friend. It was great to see him have a sense of fun around someone of the opposite sex.
I really enjoy Tom being as analytical as he was in this episode. It's like he was viewing the episode through his director's glasses and breaking down the different elements from a storytelling perspective. It's a great POV. I do have to wonder how Michael can be so insistent on down-to-earth realism in a show about an alien dude who can shoot heat beams from his eyes. And come on, next episode "Devoted" is one of the funniest episodes. Cheerleader Chloe never fails to crack me up. (Also, "incredulous" means "unwilling or unable to believe something," so the show cannot be incredulous. Michael is incredulous.)
Oh man. I will say there is some comedic awkward/pity value seeing Chloe like that but it is...very uncomfortable to go on for so long. At least it kind of gets it out of her system, I think there's less Chloe-Clark tension for the rest of the season (e.g. Bart and Mxyzptlk flirt with her in front of him, she seems cool with it).
Tom coming back for the last 3 seasons and being becoming an executive producer for S9/S10 makes so much sense, he so badly wanted Clark and Lois to be together which is why he even signed back on. Erica in her recent signing said her and Tom both enjoyed the banter so much in the later seasons especially at the DP planet. The showrunners before S8 even said Tom and Erica felt like this was exactly what they were meant to do. You can feel the passion Tom has for them and it's only episode 3, he wanted to see them play out. They're a special couple for sure. The dunk tank scene solidified my love for them. It's too bad DC placed strict restrictions on Lois and Clark but now I feel like it worked out for the best because they got to be real great friends and create a beautiful foundation.
That's exactly how i feel. People say Clois started to late, only in season 8. But that doesn't make sense to me cause Clois started the minute Lois said "i'm Lois Lane".
Yep, the dunk scene was epic and also Clark , Lois and General Lane was great too, Tom's(Clark) laughing and head drop were were awesome TW you sold it perfectly!!
That ending scene with Clark and Lois is so awesome, I watched it many times . When I saw Clark flirting with Lois, I got so excited. That is the best scene . I loved how Tom did it so perfectly 🥰 💞 😍
This episode is Michael thinking a scene is unnecessary or not understanding the reason for something then Tom being like, “actually…” and nailing it. 😂
I especially laughed at Michael being fed up with the football and thinking "haven't we already gone through this". I didn't even know what he was talking about to be honest. The brief mention that Clark isn't allowed to play football from season 1? We have definitely not explored Clark being a football player before haha. Don't get me wrong, season 4 being the football season was one of the most unnecessary arcs on the show to me, it felt like the writers were like "oh shit this is our last chance to play out the small town star high school quarterback trope in senior year" so they threw it in. And it's fine, and there's one really cool scene that comes of it. But yeah...that's just an opinion, I certainly can't accuse it of being a repeat of a previous arc!
@@jerodast I actually quite like it! Of the school related arcs (which I do think are the weakest in the show) the football one is probably the best. Clark's clash with Jonathan about playing, his own desire vs his fear of hurting someone etc. And that episode later where he has to give up the chance at a scholarship because he knows it's not morally right and is afraid of permanently injuring someone. I think it's definitely interesting and you're right, not something we've done before
Something that stuck out for me: Tom mentions how he and Erica normally teased each other at that point when they worked together which is pretty cool bc they've only had 2 episodes together and that's essentially their character dynamic as well. That's pretty awesome when the actors bring parts of themselves to the characters bc it really sets them apart. Great work gents.
I don’t think you guys understand what the last scene means for the fandom because I start watching smallville because I saw an edit from that scene on tiktok like Lois and Clark have that impact. They are ICONIC and Tom knows it 💋💋💋💋
As always i just love loooove Tom's input. He not only analyze it just from the monster of the week perspective but he also see it from the character perspective of a long term storytelling. The little bits and scene here and there do set up things for the future. Like Clark stading his ground with Jonathan is gonna have consequences in the future and repetition, whether it be in similar scenes is to reinforce that. I also like that Tom (and Ryan) are more forgiving with theshow at points because even with its negatives, you cant forget this was a teen show in the 2000s. That was on a teen network. So context for that it's important when analyzing its plot and its development. About the episode, obviously Lois is always a highlight and the last scene is fantastic for the clois lovers🥲❤️ She just brings out a fun side in Clark.
THANK GOD for Tom! I can see Michael slipping away from the show, and I understand why. But patience is important for long form storytelling like this. 20+ episodes requires us to focus on character development over plot. Thank you for Tom for highlighting this!
I can’t imagine him doing this podcast for seasons 8, 9 & 10. I don’t mean for this to sound rude but I don’t think his ego will be able to handle watching seasons without him in them. Hopefully I’m wrong and he’ll still participate at least on behalf of his friends and colleagues. We’ll see.
@oldhollywoodfan8009 I agree with this. I think Michael will try with season 8, but he'll be sooo bored with it, and he'll wrap it up. However, I hope he's selfless enough to have Tom just take over seasons 9 and 10, and Michael can just listen to what it was like for Tom and Erica without Lex being in it. 🤷🏽♀️. I just think it would be *REALLY* unfair for Michael to stop the podcast just because he's not in the rest of the series past 7. It was *his choice* to start this podcast, AND it was *his choice* to leave the series!! So yeah, be fair, Mikey. Let Tom finish seasons 8,9, and 10.
@@blackdogbrown Yeah I really really hope they continue all the way to season 10 because S9&10 (and parts of 8) are my favourite of the show! But I'm afraid Michael won't be interested because he seems mainly interested in Lex scenes only.
@@Melissa.GarrettErica Durance, without question, was a fantastic addition to the cast, as she just brought in this energy that the show had never had up to that point. That being said, she was still only one part of the season. Everything around her storywise was pretty terrible lol. Season 4's bright spot was bringing in Lois, but in the grand scheme of things, the season was easily one of the worst, if not the worst.
Clois worked due to the chemistry and commitment to the characters from Erica and Tom. The dunk tank scene is iconic because it marks a turning point in the Clois friendship and is foreshadowing for the shippers. This may be cruel to say but I howled with laughter after seeing Chloe's face when she witnessed the "sparks" begin to ignite between Clois. That was the final nail in the coffin for any fantasies Chloe had of Clark. Back in the day, there were many Chlarkers. 🙄🤣
I was sort of a Chlarker but the fact is I saw they really did not have chemistry back in the season 1 finale. So it was more that I liked Chloe as a character, was extremely tired of Lana, but didn't particularly want Clark with either of them. (Frankly I was an Charklicia guy I guess. Always root for redemption!) Soo...there was a very, very mean/dark humor value to Chloe's "god....damn...it, this AGAIN?" face, but I wasn't exactly laughing, just like, nodding in agreement. Yep, that's one more moment you have to go through Chloe, sorry, but you'll come out of this on the other side.
Michael doesn’t seem to see the difference between Clark not following his dad’s advice to not play ball and the previous season when his dad wouldn’t let him. Clark is stepping into adulthood this season. Exactly the way is happens in real life, during your senior year.
Exactly, it shows that Clark is taking his first steps into making his own decisions and not just doing what Jonathan has decided for him. Especially when we consider what happened to John in S5 😢 which marks the end of Clarks childhood
@vbrandy7088 A lot of the problems he identifies are valid, but you have to view them through a few different lenses to get the context. It's an early 2000s show. The turnaround for each episode is really quick, and finally, sometimes you have to make a small stupid story choice for it to pay off in a big way later. The payoff to revisiting the football stuff is that it sets up Clark's evolution and the start of him finally telling people about his secret, which changes the character dynamics a lot.
@@TheJamsplatI think context is key. I think Michael forgets that this was technically a teen angst type show at the beginning. The characters grew as the audience grew up. He needs to remember that as he watches the show. Of course he is tired of the high school stuff. lol He needs to change his lenses when he watches. 😆
That and Season 4 is their senior year, so this is essentially Clark's last chance to play football in highschool. And, secondly Clark is 18, so technically he doesn't need his dad's or mom's permission to play football.
🌹 appreciated Tom's take on the storyline and characters and performance choices. It wasn't that he's just being positive to balance Michael's negativity, he was just explaining truthfully cuz idk but I think he enjoys dissecting the eps as much as [the audience]. 😔Starting to get burnt out from Michael's criticism - It's not that he's "shitting on the show" so much as its that he's just choosing not to accept the parameters of the show. It's a teen drama on a low budget network hot off the problematic 90s pop-culture and based on the most iconic superhero of all time. There's things they can't change about the story, or else it's no longer Superman's origin - and the majority of things they do change (like the baby's ship coming down hidden in a meteor shower, etc) actually benefit the show. I mean I have consistently defended Michael cuz most of his "critiques" were about production value. But now it's at the point where I just don't think he gets it. Idk...🤷♀️
To be fair this really was a nonsense plot episode. But....just get over it dude. We know. You don't have to get so fucking ANGRY about it for an HOUR, damn. It remind me of Let's Play videos (similar genre to rewatch podcasts...) where the gamer gets really tilted at something they're having trouble with and starts just criticizing every design decision in sight. And all the criticisms might be dead on, but the thing is it's SO TRANSPARENT you're only bringing it up because you're mad, not because this is the time and place for it. Maybe Michael needs to give himself more cool off time halfway through an episode.
@jerodast AGREED! so 2 things: (1) hmm the more I think on it, it wasnt actually a nonsense ep. I mean yeah the antagonist is a (silly) one-off (yet perfectly reflects the theme of Clark's internal struggle about transformation), and yeah they could have been more creative w the excuse to have Lois live in Smallville, but the writing is certainly at normal levels and this ep sets up alot that gets paid off throughout the show (ie: Lois getting a bug for investigating and eventually for writing, Clark and Lois reciprocal need for and receiving of help from each other, Clark initiating and also accepting he needs to reinvent himself - big pay off in S10, etc) cuz I've only seen the show as an adult, and missed the experience of watching it live, (but it did give me the comparison from watching dozens of other similar format shows over the years) and the ep wasn't bad at all. talk to me again in S7 when for my 2nd watch I had to fast forward thru most of like a dozen eps and (2) there was a def shift in Michael for this season. like, at 1st I was giving the benefit of the doubt, but then the last handful of podcasts I've been skipping thru his rants. but I noticed that there is also a shift in the comments (on youtube and Instagram), it's blowing up about Lois. everyone is losing their minds, in a very positive way, overwhelmed w excitement that she's finally arrived. and maybe the two are completely unconnected, but we all know how much Michael is an attention thief (and also how he doesn't pay attention to eps that aren't Lex heavy which means he misses important details which means he ends up disliking those eps more)... my point is: I think Michael is jealous of Lois (lol not Erica, LOIS) and that's why even his greatest defenders are asking him to back down. cuz in 70 podcasts, I've never seen so many comments about his negativity as I have for this
When the caller said the dunk tank scene was one of their favorite scenes in all of television and Michael’s like, “What!?” I just died laughing for like 5 minutes lol
@@lilacmist04 This guy has been hounding Clois shippers all over the comments section since S4 began and leaving nasty replies about them or to them. I don't know who pissed in his cereal or if he's a closeted Clana shipper.
@@tinatinkvirkvelia1317 Yeah, I agree. It just comes across as bitter. Its okay for everyone to have their ships and politely express opinions on them, but it doesn't need to be insulting.
Oh man, the dunk tank was such an iconic moment. Watching it live, though, it was bittersweet. It was such a neutron bomb for Chloe, and you saw it in her face as she realized it, and you can pinpoint the moment when her heart implodes. But beyond that, it was the one moment, the moment of the singularity for Smallville where everyone watching knew the destination was Lois & Clark. Which of course caused no small manner of distress in the CW message boards for the shippers, which at the time tickled me greatly.
Yes!! Back in the day, I was a member of one of the main websites and message boards called "Kryptonsite" or "K-Site" and the Cloisers rejoiced with Glee after the famous and pivotal dunk tank scene -- myself included!!!😎😆💯
That look on Chloe’s face always hits me so hard, I’m middle aged and still feel it in my throat watching that moment where her eyes register the connection between them and how it feels like rejection to her.
"We're seeing a side of him that we haven't seen before." That's called happiness, Tom. He was being himself with this awesome woman who made him stronger.
The dunk tank scene at the end really showed how much chemistry Tom and Erica had, even if you had no idea that Superman and Lois were meant to be you would know those two characters would end up together.
The iconic Clois dunk scene!!! 🥰🥰🥰 Truly one of my favourite endings of the show. It really showcased the dynamic of their relationship that we would see throughout the series: they're fun, flirty, jokey and don't take things too seriously. After all the ansgt with Lana it was so nice to see Clark let go and relax like he did around Lois. He goofed around, they bantered, he smiled more. It was so good to see and really highlighted their chemistry and how iconic they would become as a couple. TOM GETS IT! I love that he gets what we all see and love about the show at this point in the series. This is where we see Clark open up more around Lois and their banter and scenes really gave him more to do than just pine. I do love this show by one complaint has always been that they dragged the Clark and Lana romance out way too long. You guys haven't even started that angst yet haha. Michael, you really have to remember what genre this show is. Its not supposed to be gritty or edgy or too serious. Yes, it has moments like that but most of it is fun and lighthearted. This scene isn't the most amazing but I think it's actually quintessential Smallville, focusing on the character moments between wacky plotlines. Also in regards to the female characters kicking ass: as far as I remember Chloe can't really do much. She'll defend herself as best she can but she's not a fighter. Lana had a whole arc earlier in the series that you're forgetting about where she was tired of always being targeted and being a damsel so she learned to defend herself. And Lois actually makes the most sense. Her dad is a general and she grew up on an army base and was taught to fight from a young age. Thank god for Tom tbh because I don't think I could handle all of this negativity without him. 😂 I love you Michael but this is long form storytelling. Not every episode will be remarkable. Most of them are just fun like this. I have to give this episode at least a rose 🌹 and a half for the iconic dunk tank scene, all the Clois moments in general and I actually find it a pretty fun watch.
Tom's comment to Michael on the 🌹/💣 rating is telling! There are some episodes to come that are probably way more deserving of a 3x💣 rating. Relationships (in a superhero setting) are the foundation of practically every WB/CW show series.
@@ThatllShowEm Definitely! I suppose in hindsight we're able to evaluate all the episodes against each other so it's easier for us to judge than for them who are sort of watching for the first time but this episode is FAR from the worst. Even if it's not remarkable, it has some good moments that redeem it to at least a heater. There are some truly bad episodes to come that deserve those bombs more 😂😂 The infamous "Spell" episode from this season comes to mind. Or that odd noir episode with Jimmy was always one I disliked. This one was saved by the good character and relationship moments for sure.
@@Vixin24 I actually kinda liked Noir, especially as it nods to "His Girl Friday" and the first television show of Superman. "Spell" ... 😅 Oh, if Michael's complaining about the stone storyline NOW....🤣
@@ThatllShowEm there are some parts of it that are cool but for some reason it was never an episode I liked but fair enough. I'm someone who usually disagrees with most of Michael's complaints but I'm actually kind of looking forward to his "Spell" commentary!! Haha I hope he doesn't just call the whole thing quits then and there! 😂😂😂
I liked this episode especially any episode where you see Clark n Lois. I agree with Tom that this is where it all begins. They have awesome chemistry!!
Any episodes with Erica are worth watching. The best Lois Lane ever!!! She and Tom definitely had chemistry that was just natural. After all of the uncomfortable forced moments with Lana and Chloe, you know immediately that Lois is the one!
As someone who was bullied and picked on all through school because of acne and skin issues, unfortunately, kids do act this way with nicknames, other students joining in, etc.🌹🌹🌹 to Michael for stepping in and helping those kids at the convention.
I thought the name calling was awful but noticeably less reprehensible and dangerous than stringing a freshman up in a field, which, as much as Tom denies it was "accepted publicly", was a known tradition at Smallville HS for decades - Pete warned him about it before they'd even attended their first day. So yeah unfortunately very believable people would pile on like this if there's a toxic culture festering at the school. Certainly high school students are _capable_ of better and of standing up for social issues, but they're usually not mature enough to really change things more than incrementally if the toxicity is already entrenched.
That Clois dunk at the end is pretty iconic. I loved the song playing as well! With Chloe hurt look indicating she saw the connection between Clark and Lois (and even if they would deny and not see it themselves)
Bro the fact that the drop of the head from clark wasn't written is soo awesome to know. Stuff like this is why i watch this podcast. That literally was a hilarious move by clark showing us he COULDN'T STAND LOIS LOL. Good stuff Tom
What i liked about this episode is that Lois was bitten by the journalism bug. She also shows that she can kick ass and doesn't need Clark to cone to her rescue.
She still lets him came to help her because they are a team and her love for him makes her start to understand she don't always have to deal with things by herself. She comes to that conclusion later in the season.
Lois SAVES Clark (again! and it's only her third episode) - that's a big deal because it shows the contrast between Clois and Clana. Lois is a strong woman who can look after herself AND Clark, making the Clois relationship more equal than Clana's right from the start. This allows Clark to be the superhero he needs to be later. I agree with Michael that it's weird that Lana and Chloe know how to fight at a very high level but it makes sense that Lois is a skilled fighter because of her military upbringing and I'm sure her father raised her to be able to look after herself. Lastly, any episode with Erica Durance/Lois is a good episode for me! Love her and Clark together - definitely boo on the show for dragging the Clana storyline past high school!
I love how most of the questions are about the final scene cause it is one of the most memorable parts of Smallville. Does Michael not realise how popular and loved Clois is?
Ya know what? I don't think he does, not if he's all, "everyone's going crazy over this scene" and that actually surprises me. I mean even if he never read a comic or wouldn't watch this show if he weren't on it (which also sucks to hear, through a fan's eyes IMO) but he grew up with Chris Reeve's Superman, and I'm sure he watched Dean and Teri when they had their run. I mean it's *LOIS AND CLARK* It's IN the name! Clear as day. He can't be *THAT* oblivious. 🤨
@@blackdogbrown That's what I was thinking! Like I don't get how he is this oblivious. Also I get the show maybe not being his thing, but his tone just sucks the fun out of this podcast.
"But his tone sucks the fun right out of this podcast" RIGHT?!?! I mean, what the hell? Since he's in his 50s now, I *get* not being into this "Coming-of-age" series in this generation of "streaming" and being used to more "mature material." HOWEVER, as a person that was literally *on the show* should be *used to your time* and maybe even appreciate it a little?? 🫤 Not only for the "everything was slower back then" feel, but because ya know, it boosted your damn career in the industry. 😒😒 Him saying "I would never watch this show" is such a *huge slap in the face to the fandom* that held this show near and dear to their hearts for years and was the reason the whole show lasted as long as it did. For most, this show helped the fans through some really rough times in life. Does Michael not know or understand that?? He must've known he wasn't going to be 100% into it (being a grown man and all) but as a grown man and one of the best actors on the series he could *AT LEAST PRETEND* for our benefit. What was the point of doing this "for the fans" if you were just gonna shit on it, hate-watching after season 1?? It makes no sense. It truly breaks my heart when I see kids of this generation discussing how much they love Smallville now, only to have Lex Luthor himself make everyone feel bad about it. And he's not in character, so he's not being paid to act like an asshole, he's doing it for free, and that bothers me more than anything. 😮💨😮💨
@@blackdogbrown This is why I prefer Tom or Paul and Ian from TVD because they have a fondness for their shows when they look back and appreciate what it did for their careers and as well as are mindful of the fact that many watching were kids/teens and the shows mean a lot to them now that their adults! Idk man sometimes I think Michael is pissed episodes didn't feature him, because he thinks his character is the most important and his jealous the show not only survived after he left but that 8-10 are a lot of peoples favs.
Lois added to the show so naturally. Made us fall in love with her quick. I randomly watched that last scene with my gf a week ago. Chloes face makes the scene man, goof shit
I enjoyed this entire episode. Smallville is one of the few series I can watch over again and again, and I enjoy it like the first time watching. I put it right there with Andy Griffith, MASH, and Seinfeld. As for suspension of disbelief, It is easy for me to suspend critical thinking while watching television because I don't want to live in reality while watching television.
These are fun to watch, honest opinions and all. I really enjoy Tom's positive attitude, his insights on the character interactions in the episodes, and both his and Michael's on-set stories! I also agree with Tom that the Lois and Clark interactions allowed for Clark to have some more fun and open up in a different way. Great chemistry and fun between the two of them! Even with episodes that aren't as good as others, there's always great moments in Smallville, just like in this one.
Sometimes the real reason to watch a weekly show is all the little moments between characters: the dunk tank scene, Johnathan Kent and Clark playing football, etc. The villain of the week is often so obligatory if they are not interesting, I just mentally tune out.
10 seasons are amazing for viewers. Cuz most of the clips people love to rewatch are the small moments in a long show. that never get seen otherwise. E.g; dunk tank, Clark and Lois outside the barn. Those make the show memorable and bring us back to watch ( THE EMOTION AND CONNECTION)❤!!!
Exactly at this point in the show I don't get the hype about their relationship. They were fun but they literally acted like siblings around each other @@Costas22
I agree! Their romantic chemistry is amazing and its great to see the way Clark is with Lois. Like Tom said, she really brings out a different and light side of him. Lois and Clark have rom-com banter vibes and by the end of the series they still have fun and flirt, but the depth of love and trust they have for each other is beautiful to see.
I loved the first 3 eps of s4. Everything was so bright and not so serious. A new beginning. I love the highschool stuff. And it reminded me of S1 like you guys said. I actually enjoyed that!
It cracks me up the stars of the show have no idea or memory of where the Lana story was going. Besides the upside of Los' addition, it was cool to see Clark be able to have fun and play quarterback/football. The show had to change, and these are some of the ways it did.
@@lincolnkupchak4795 It felt like they knew from the beginning of the season 4 that they wanted to connect it to the stones of powers, they basically intertwined Clark, Lex and Lana and Jason storylines this season. But I enjoyed the Isobel storyline because of the sci-fi element and I thought it was fun and unpredictable. I also always liked when the cast would play completely different versions of their character.
@@vbrandy7088 I will say, the "Previously on _Smallville"_ for the season 4 finale is one of my favorite 2 minutes of the series, and part of that is that shot of Lana magically spinning through the air - was that in China? - and eyes turning people even though it makes no goddamn sense at all haha. Spectacle! Gimme dat spectacle, just don't drag it out too long or try to convince me it makes sense 😂
I feel like Michael thinks Smallville was a super serious drama and it shows in his scenes in a good way, a bit removed from the rest of the show. He’s forgetting it’s also a show about teens in high school dealing with the things that teens do, and that part was a lot of fun to watch for that younger demographic who could relate.
The fact is the Lex scenes are less believable adult thriller writing than the high school scenes are believable high school writing. The situations are more extreme than reality but the sloppy, aggravating, spiky emotions are pretty dead on. I really find it kinda sad that Michael is so insistent on looking for some kind of mature, edgy adult oriented tone to the show that he has to cling to eps like "Insurgence" like nuts for the winter, when even that episode, while very good for _Smallville_ is objectively not even as good as a mid-tier Marvel movie or forgettable 90s thriller. (Don't get me wrong, "Insurgence" is made BETTER by the fact it uses Lex, Lionel, and Martha the way it does and revolves around the Secrets of Clark Kent, I'm glad they made the episode. I'm just saying the show fundamentally is not built to be very serious about gritty, realistic themes.)
One of my favorite endings of the entire show! Erica and Tom really had so much chemistry with each other. I also liked how they brought back Eric Johnson for a bit. I also thought the scene when Clark bursts into Lana and Jason in the office pretty funny. Thanks again guys ❤️
One of my favorite quotes from Clark: "Every handshake, every hug, everytime I'm out on that field. I make a conscious decision to fall when those guys hit me so they don't get hurt." No matter how hard you try you can't understand that. " -CK
yeah he is a little early. Also chloe gave clark similar advice later in the series when he asked about dong a certian activity with lana iykyk lol.@@jerodast
It’s getting old. He’s annoyed at the plot lines he doesn’t understand yet - we’ll let it play out man. You said you don’t like when everything is tied up in a bow at the end of every episode. They’re stringing a longer plot line together for Lana, and you don’t like that either? Make up your mind on what you want them to do haha.
Love that Michael loves the insane flirting between Clois. The dunk tank scene has lived in my head rent free since I first saw it 20 years ago. Talk about iconic and the chemistry! I love that Tom adores the scene as well, you can tell him and Erica have always had magic. I love a cute bantery couple who think being playful is flirting. It's definitely in Tom's wheelhouse bc the movies and shows he likes all involve rom-com couples who banter and he has that same energy with Erica. I also love how Tom is so excited to see Clark have a personality and bantering ala Moonlighting. You can just see he loves this Clark. He loves how FREE Clark is because that is Tom. I also love how Tom says "this is where it begins for me"- I couldn't agree more!
The bullying of “Scabby Abby”is very real. I am short and i mean very short, I don’t break 5’0 short! So couple that with having very bad acne as well. Yeah you get bullied a lot for things out of your control and it’s sad because all you want to do is fit in.
It's lousy. I knew a guy back in high school who was nicknamed "Pizza Face" because of the many zits he had on his face. He was actually a nice kid -- studious and hard working. We were on Student Council together and he had so many great ideas to bring to the table. It just goes to show you -- don't judge a book by its cover.
I can relate very much to this. In middle school, I had serious bad acne and I got called names more times than I can remember, such as “Pizza Face”. I look back now and I’m like “Okay, whatever. Life goes on.”
Come on, Michael, you missed it by majoring on the minors! 😔 How about the GREAT scenes between Clark & Jonathan? Lois' FIRST undercover story & headline? Chloe welcoming "Lois Lane to the bull pen??" Of course, the end football catch/dunk & John's surprised reaction! And one of the BEST ENDINGS IN TELEVISION HISTORY!! Look past the wonky & look at the awesome! Love you guys! 🌹🌹💗💗
lois lane can kick ass because she is literally an army brat! grew up with the general and has been around military soldiers and officers. she is a badass all on her own that's literally a character trait of lois lane from the comics
God Bless Tom for sticking up for the show and shielding us from all of Rosey’s shitting…bro, not every episode needs to be The Wire. Life ain’t like that, sometimes you have goofy assed days, sometimes the world is on your shoulders…unclinch my brother, I promise you there are better episodes coming deserving of your ire.
The moment I saw the title of the video I BURST OUT LAUGHING, because I can see someone did their homework 🤣! The Clois dunk scene is INDEED iconic, like you have no idea! It changed lives lol, viewer perceptions, made people start to watch the show, even to this day it goes viral on tiktok over and over. And we have never seen Clark smile that big before, I still remember my shock seeing it for the first time - and that with him and Lois still in their 'hating each other' phase 😂 After watching this fully I'm laughing even more, because Michael found himself watching what is essentially a regular CW teen drama with superheroes and is fighting for his life 🤣 Also shout out to the listener calling out the DRAGGED OUT to hell Clark and Lana storyline. But why did I get the impression that Michael thinks it may be over and they may be moving on now? Becauseee... oh boy 🤣 And Ryan is so spot on about Lois and is already tired of that story as well, hoping Lana will figure something out.. Oh sweet summer child 🤣 I'm just truly excited to see all the suffering, cause if I had to suffer through that for years, then I'll watch you guys suffer too 🤣🤣🤣
Hahaha so true all of this! 😂😂 I definitely think they don't remember how long the Clark/Lana stuff was dragged out for. 😅 They're in for a bumpy ride haha
The bullying scene happened to me when I was 15 (2006). I will never forget my secondary school days... It happened at the canteen during lunchtime. Not scabby.. but they chanted something else... From that day on, I stopped eating at the canteen and hid away during lunchtime. Wow, it still brings tears to my eyes...
Guys... Dr. Fine threatened Lois by saying she would end up in the psych ward, as the treatment would not have the antidote, she would go crazy. Therefore, she would have no memory of anything. Not sure how you all missed that point. Also, Dr. Fine went to the psych ward and Abigile would be back the next week to school, per Chole. but I love the show and the podcast, keep it up!!
The ending is that kind of a scene which crystallizes in your mind forever, even after 20+ years you still perfectly mentally visualize it and remember it without even having to actually Watch it
they are school kids, EVERY teenager seeing a girl in come in their locker room looking like Lois would be like OOOOOH ok. this is normal for a teenager with hormones etc. you guys are really watching this through the old souls eyes you have grown over the years. THIS EPISODE has alot going as do the rest in this season - Lex lost Clark, and needs to work hard to rebuild the only friend he has ever had. that's meaningful.
Yeah I didn't really see anything weird about that scene. a) you're underaged boys and an adult woman is walking through the locker room. That's weird as hell. You're gonna stare at her. Lois seems to have a thing for going right up to the line of sexual harassment of minors. b) I don't recall any egregious catcalls or anything, but I admit it was probably backgrounded and I wouldn't remember.
I think Michael is too harsh on this one. I think it's a better episode than the next one. Also of all of the female leads to be able to kick butt, Lois makes the most sense. Plus her calling Dr. Fine a bitch was hilarious 😂
The one positive to the central storyline here (putting aside the Clark & Lois stuff, we get it guys they're cute together okay), is Brianna Brown giving it her all to make it work despite the ridiculous writing. It reminds me very much of Amy Adams in "Craving". She is capable of much better than this and brings a certain earnestness to Abby that the story doesn't really deserve. Not saying BB is necessarily as talented as AA (lol comics do love the alliterative names huh), but she has had some much meatier appearances in less silly shows and done a fine job with them, moreso than many freak of the week day players. (Chelan Simmons is in next week's episode and also has a career that reaches at least C-level, but unlike BB she's just one of a gang of cheerleaders, plus she has tended toward camp, horror and titillating roles anyway.)
the dunk tank is one of THE BEST MOMENT in Smallville and from this moment we know how the relationship between Lois and Clark is going to be! i love this moment and their smiles...and we can see aside Chloe's face where we literally can read that she knows she will never have a chance with Clark, i felt bad for her but i was so happy for CLOIS!😍 and apparently Jensen Ackles showed Erica how to throw the ball to ensure she will get the target.
Fun fact! To help set the throwback feel of the first scene in this episode on top of “Freshman Year 2001” and Whitney’s return, in the background Stereoblis’ “Eight Half Letters” is playing, which is the exact same song that was playing when we very first are introduced to Smallville High School in Season 1 Episode 1!
I agree with Michael it felt like kind of a weak episode/story to bring him back for, but as just a nod "hey regardless of the circumstances it'd be nice to bookend the high school years with one more appearance from you" I guess it's kind of nice. Shame about the filming debacle.
Please be nice Rosey, this show means so much to me and other people. It may not be the type of show you would have watched but also, you weren't the demographic. I was 12-22 and it helped me pursue art, fall in love with comics, and write my own novel. Lex and Clark's dynamic was my favorite. It contains a lot of nuance and complexities and even though there are some corny moments in the show or some holes - it holds up even in 2024!
This ending was so epic you could see the beginning of a relationship that blossoms into a great love story but it takes a long time and we're still going to get more Clark and Lana it goes on for far to long but being a Clark and Lois fan you have to stick with it if you want to finally see the true love story ❤️
Lois walking in on him playing football is also a significant scene for their relationship, as it is she who challenges him on becoming a football player instead of being a wedgie magnet. That's a theme with Lois and Clark, she makes him reconsider his assumptions.
Great episode again team! Thankfully we have Tom's positivity to balance Michael's blunt honesty! Ryan's analysis is always great to hear too. Keep it going :)
Honestly I thought that marked him as about a decade older than most of the then-teen fans of the show haha. But it's definitely an influential show for television. A lot of people might've said Sam & Diane. (Another show a little too old for my growing up years.) Actually that's interesting - what other _combative_ will-they-won't-they shows are iconic? Jim & Pam pretty much love each other from the start. Maybe _Homeland_ lol (which Brianna Brown appeared on for a short guest run).
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With the iconic dunk tank scene at the end, when they showed Chloes heartbroken face when she saw the chemistry between Clois, I always laughed! I was like "Yes! Get over it and MOVE ON! Clark isn't into you girlfriend!" 😂😂😂
To me, what saved this episode was the chemistry between Lois and Clark. Every scene with the two of them together was pure magic❤️
The witty banter between Lois and Clark just completely changes the show. I love it’s not just a teen drama about sex, you get to see their characters develop and ultimately find each other. Best Superman show ever!
Dunk tank scene living rent free in my head since 2004 🤩
Michael imagine the frustration we felt as clois fans we had to live on crumbs for sooo long 😭😭
It was a classic freak of the week episode but Lois elevated it.
Lois brings so much lightness and fun to the series and the friendship with Clark. Next to her he is lighter and more cynical and less sad and moody like with Lana.
It seems like Lex is flirtier with Lana than before, maybe foreshadowing...
I love the iconic Clois Dunk Tank scene with the Avril Lavine's song.
I will give it 🌹
I love this episode, final scene, with a look on Chloe‘s face as she sees how Clark and Lois look at each other, while the vocalist sings “so much for my happy ending”…
The romantic comedy brought by Lois made Season Four watchable and fun. Erica and Tom dynamic brought a fresh energy to the series.
I think Tom just shines with Erica and we saw it with Clark and Lois. The dunk tank scene is iconic as it gets but it's all thanks to actors and their camaraderie and charisma. The way Tom lights up about Lois/Erica is great because I agree with Tom, Clark really did become free around her. Clark was finally able to be himself and that's a really beautiful thing.
The dunk tank scene was iconic, so electric, such fun. It just magnifies how Clois were perfect for each other from the start. Clark was his true self only around her because he was always this righteous dude around everyone else but with her, he could banter and that’s why she got to know him so well to, so kindred since the beginning. I can't wait for next week.
The fact that the dunk scene was completely unspoken and Tom and Erica made it one of the best and most iconic scenes in the entire series, says a lot about their chemistry and performance. It was beautifully done😍👌I actually enjoyed this episode. I feel like season 4 was so fun and yes they did have some bizarre episodes, but I think that was the point of season 4 where the writers were trying new things and just taking the characters to different and new places.
The ending scene in this episode is definitely a fan favorite. I mean the scene is iconic. One of the best Lois and Clark moments on the show. Great performance from Tom and Erica 😍
Dunk tank ending scene with the Avril Lavigne song playing was EVERYTHING!!! It's a silly episode, but Smallville is all about character development, baby! The kids have started to grow up and this season you can actually tell.
Love Tom's thoughts about the dunk tank scene. You know what I love about the iconic dunk tank scene. They're true to each other. Clark and Lois have zero pretenses. They're not hiding anything they're feeling, and they just see each other... warts and all. Their communication and honesty only gets better as their relationship grows from here, but that head tussle and grin said it all. Lois could reach out and touch Clark immediately, and Clark would receive it with no issues. That's it right there... they saw each other as people, not objects of affection.
That ending though. It was perfect. The interaction between Clark and Lois looked so genuine, as did the look of devastation on Chloe's face realizing that she's been sent back into the phantom friend zone over her own cousin. Also using My Happy Ending as the track was the chef's kiss.❤❤❤
This scene, for all of the reasons you stated, is among my top favourite scenes from the entire series --- and I think it stands out to me because they kept in Chloe's devastated/uncomfortable look. Perfection. lol.
@@toddyboy I love Chloe as a character and was overall rooting for her but never thought they had much chemistry at least in season 1. I don't mind her pining a bit as long as it's not too drawn out. Does it suck being rejected? Yes? Okay then deal with it haters. It sucks for Chloe sometimes. What are you expecting here. It would be weird for her NOT to react to Clark and Lois flirting. To me it makes her character feel more real, that look of "oh no not again" is so accurate. And it reinforces her loyalty and friendship to have put the pressure to betray him behind her, despite the fact she's still taking these emotional punches.
@@jerodast I also love Chloe and actually always thought that Chloe had much more chemistry with Clark than any other character in the series, since the very first episode in season 1, her emotions and personal dilemma feel so real and relatable. I'd much rather see her ending with Clark, plus to me Lois/Erica Durance is really annoying and I don't like her at all, but It is what It is
Tom laughing at Mike's negative reactions is the smile I never knew I needed.
Tom’s love for Clark and Lois shines. He can’t stop talking about them and it’s fun to hear his thoughts! ❤ I love when Clark got to smirk around Lois because he's just a funny guy that loves her energy and their back and forth banter. Tom mentioned how he has that energy with Erica as well- so much fun. The best TV couples have romantic banter! ✨
The dunk tank scene is literally the most iconic scene on Smallville and it's basically just Tom and Erica in the moment which makes it so compelling. Also Tom referring to Clois as a rom-com couple is very true because that is what they are and Tom enjoys that. I love how Tom mentioned Moonlighting because Maddie and David are the pinnacle TV couple! he has great taste and it shows because he loves Clark and Lois and their banter and energy. The crackling chemistry between Tom and Erica is comparable to Cybill Shepherd and Bruce Willis, Myrna Loy and William Powell, Carole Lombard and Clark Gable, Hepburn and Tracy, and Bogart and Bacall- these are the couples you want to be and Tom and Erica sold it from the very start till the very end. Ryan said it best the SPARK Clois bring just POPS!
Also, Lois' backstory establishes why she can fight. She grew up on army bases.
Lana took some classes to protect herself. I am not against the idea that Lana might have taught Chloe a few moves when they lived together.
@@erin8005 I don't really mind that any of them know self defense. You'd have to to live in Smallville
I never bought that. I grew up on Army bases right up until I graduated high school and got in many fights but the fights were just brawls. Out of the 7 different schools I attended I only knew of one person who could fight like Lois and my father was a veitnam vet/ranger with a combat infantry badge while being LTC/05.
@@garyhall2770 She also stole tanks and "drank vodka with Russian Generals". I don't think she was supposed to be your average military kid
@@garyhall2770 it's straight out of the comics that she learned fighting skills as an army brat
The ending scene at the end was honestly the best part of the episode. So fun and sweet the banter between Clark and Lois. You could already see the chemistry between them. The way she ruffes his hair was sweet as well. Happy Wednesday!❤❤❤❤❤
11:02 yesss Tom gets it!! Clark becomes so much more interesting and toms acting improves we see more of his abilities. Personally that’s one of the main reasons I love Clark and Lois it’s because of the choices they Tom and Erica made as actors in retelling this love story
The presence of Erica's Lois really brought out an aspect of Clark (and the show), that hadn't really been there before. I agree, seeing the "Moonlighting"-style banter between Clark and Lois felt fresh at the time, considering we had 3 years of him just pining and moping over Lana, and Chloe playing the jealous best friend. It was great to see him have a sense of fun around someone of the opposite sex.
It's these little golden moments from Tom like this that keeps me coming back
I really enjoy Tom being as analytical as he was in this episode. It's like he was viewing the episode through his director's glasses and breaking down the different elements from a storytelling perspective. It's a great POV.
I do have to wonder how Michael can be so insistent on down-to-earth realism in a show about an alien dude who can shoot heat beams from his eyes. And come on, next episode "Devoted" is one of the funniest episodes. Cheerleader Chloe never fails to crack me up.
(Also, "incredulous" means "unwilling or unable to believe something," so the show cannot be incredulous. Michael is incredulous.)
Oh man. I will say there is some comedic awkward/pity value seeing Chloe like that but it is...very uncomfortable to go on for so long. At least it kind of gets it out of her system, I think there's less Chloe-Clark tension for the rest of the season (e.g. Bart and Mxyzptlk flirt with her in front of him, she seems cool with it).
I get your point, but the show still has to make its own kind of sense within the framework of this weird world.
Tom coming back for the last 3 seasons and being becoming an executive producer for S9/S10 makes so much sense, he so badly wanted Clark and Lois to be together which is why he even signed back on. Erica in her recent signing said her and Tom both enjoyed the banter so much in the later seasons especially at the DP planet. The showrunners before S8 even said Tom and Erica felt like this was exactly what they were meant to do. You can feel the passion Tom has for them and it's only episode 3, he wanted to see them play out. They're a special couple for sure. The dunk tank scene solidified my love for them. It's too bad DC placed strict restrictions on Lois and Clark but now I feel like it worked out for the best because they got to be real great friends and create a beautiful foundation.
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That's exactly how i feel. People say Clois started to late, only in season 8. But that doesn't make sense to me cause Clois started the minute Lois said "i'm Lois Lane".
Yep, the dunk scene was epic and also Clark , Lois and General Lane was great too, Tom's(Clark) laughing and head drop were were awesome TW you sold it perfectly!!
Tom and Erica I love you guys for that dunk tank scene and the fact that tom said it was all one take!! JUST mind-blowing good!❤❤❤❤❤
That ending scene with Clark and Lois is so awesome, I watched it many times . When I saw Clark flirting with Lois, I got so excited. That is the best scene . I loved how Tom did it so perfectly 🥰 💞 😍
This episode is Michael thinking a scene is unnecessary or not understanding the reason for something then Tom being like, “actually…” and nailing it. 😂
Haha exactly! Loved it!
Not the first time and probably not the last lol
I especially laughed at Michael being fed up with the football and thinking "haven't we already gone through this". I didn't even know what he was talking about to be honest. The brief mention that Clark isn't allowed to play football from season 1? We have definitely not explored Clark being a football player before haha. Don't get me wrong, season 4 being the football season was one of the most unnecessary arcs on the show to me, it felt like the writers were like "oh shit this is our last chance to play out the small town star high school quarterback trope in senior year" so they threw it in. And it's fine, and there's one really cool scene that comes of it. But yeah...that's just an opinion, I certainly can't accuse it of being a repeat of a previous arc!
@@jerodast I actually quite like it! Of the school related arcs (which I do think are the weakest in the show) the football one is probably the best. Clark's clash with Jonathan about playing, his own desire vs his fear of hurting someone etc. And that episode later where he has to give up the chance at a scholarship because he knows it's not morally right and is afraid of permanently injuring someone. I think it's definitely interesting and you're right, not something we've done before
Rosey becoming such a little B
Something that stuck out for me: Tom mentions how he and Erica normally teased each other at that point when they worked together which is pretty cool bc they've only had 2 episodes together and that's essentially their character dynamic as well. That's pretty awesome when the actors bring parts of themselves to the characters bc it really sets them apart. Great work gents.
I don’t think you guys understand what the last scene means for the fandom because I start watching smallville because I saw an edit from that scene on tiktok like Lois and Clark have that impact. They are ICONIC and Tom knows it 💋💋💋💋
As always i just love loooove Tom's input. He not only analyze it just from the monster of the week perspective but he also see it from the character perspective of a long term storytelling. The little bits and scene here and there do set up things for the future. Like Clark stading his ground with Jonathan is gonna have consequences in the future and repetition, whether it be in similar scenes is to reinforce that. I also like that Tom (and Ryan) are more forgiving with theshow at points because even with its negatives, you cant forget this was a teen show in the 2000s. That was on a teen network. So context for that it's important when analyzing its plot and its development.
About the episode, obviously Lois is always a highlight and the last scene is fantastic for the clois lovers🥲❤️ She just brings out a fun side in Clark.
Quintessential Lois and Clark! Absolutely Love the Dunk Tank scene! Happy TalkVille Wednesday!
THANK GOD for Tom! I can see Michael slipping away from the show, and I understand why. But patience is important for long form storytelling like this. 20+ episodes requires us to focus on character development over plot. Thank you for Tom for highlighting this!
It has nothing to do with patience. This episode adds NOTHING to the rest of the season.
I can’t imagine him doing this podcast for seasons 8, 9 & 10. I don’t mean for this to sound rude but I don’t think his ego will be able to handle watching seasons without him in them. Hopefully I’m wrong and he’ll still participate at least on behalf of his friends and colleagues. We’ll see.
@oldhollywoodfan8009 I agree with this. I think Michael will try with season 8, but he'll be sooo bored with it, and he'll wrap it up. However, I hope he's selfless enough to have Tom just take over seasons 9 and 10, and Michael can just listen to what it was like for Tom and Erica without Lex being in it. 🤷🏽♀️. I just think it would be *REALLY* unfair for Michael to stop the podcast just because he's not in the rest of the series past 7. It was *his choice* to start this podcast, AND it was *his choice* to leave the series!! So yeah, be fair, Mikey. Let Tom finish seasons 8,9, and 10.
@@blackdogbrown Yeah I really really hope they continue all the way to season 10 because S9&10 (and parts of 8) are my favourite of the show! But I'm afraid Michael won't be interested because he seems mainly interested in Lex scenes only.
Wait till he gets to "Spell"
In my opinion, the show greatly improved once Lois joined the cast. Especially Tom's performance. She just had a way of bringing it out of you.
Louis Tully? 😂
@@HumorNWaffles lol fixed it.
That must be why they went from their best season ever to one of their worst.
@@Costas22That was because of the stone/Isabelle arc, nothing to do with Lois. Lois raised it immensely.
@@Melissa.GarrettErica Durance, without question, was a fantastic addition to the cast, as she just brought in this energy that the show had never had up to that point. That being said, she was still only one part of the season. Everything around her storywise was pretty terrible lol. Season 4's bright spot was bringing in Lois, but in the grand scheme of things, the season was easily one of the worst, if not the worst.
Ending dunk tank scene was pure Smallville gold!
Clois worked due to the chemistry and commitment to the characters from Erica and Tom. The dunk tank scene is iconic because it marks a turning point in the Clois friendship and is foreshadowing for the shippers.
This may be cruel to say but I howled with laughter after seeing Chloe's face when she witnessed the "sparks" begin to ignite between Clois. That was the final nail in the coffin for any fantasies Chloe had of Clark. Back in the day, there were many Chlarkers.
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I was sort of a Chlarker but the fact is I saw they really did not have chemistry back in the season 1 finale. So it was more that I liked Chloe as a character, was extremely tired of Lana, but didn't particularly want Clark with either of them. (Frankly I was an Charklicia guy I guess. Always root for redemption!) Soo...there was a very, very mean/dark humor value to Chloe's "god....damn...it, this AGAIN?" face, but I wasn't exactly laughing, just like, nodding in agreement. Yep, that's one more moment you have to go through Chloe, sorry, but you'll come out of this on the other side.
That dunk scene was everything!
Michael doesn’t seem to see the difference between Clark not following his dad’s advice to not play ball and the previous season when his dad wouldn’t let him. Clark is stepping into adulthood this season. Exactly the way is happens in real life, during your senior year.
Exactly, it shows that Clark is taking his first steps into making his own decisions and not just doing what Jonathan has decided for him. Especially when we consider what happened to John in S5 😢 which marks the end of Clarks childhood
Exactly! Honestly aside from his character and the Luthors storyline Michael just doesn't get the show
@vbrandy7088 A lot of the problems he identifies are valid, but you have to view them through a few different lenses to get the context. It's an early 2000s show. The turnaround for each episode is really quick, and finally, sometimes you have to make a small stupid story choice for it to pay off in a big way later. The payoff to revisiting the football stuff is that it sets up Clark's evolution and the start of him finally telling people about his secret, which changes the character dynamics a lot.
@@TheJamsplatI think context is key. I think Michael forgets that this was technically a teen angst type show at the beginning. The characters grew as the audience grew up. He needs to remember that as he watches the show. Of course he is tired of the high school stuff. lol He needs to change his lenses when he watches. 😆
That and Season 4 is their senior year, so this is essentially Clark's last chance to play football in highschool. And, secondly Clark is 18, so technically he doesn't need his dad's or mom's permission to play football.
I always felt the Clark Lois banter was so fun and was a breath of fresh air in the show. Season 4 was just more fun because of it.
🌹 appreciated Tom's take on the storyline and characters and performance choices. It wasn't that he's just being positive to balance Michael's negativity, he was just explaining truthfully cuz idk but I think he enjoys dissecting the eps as much as [the audience].
😔Starting to get burnt out from Michael's criticism - It's not that he's "shitting on the show" so much as its that he's just choosing not to accept the parameters of the show. It's a teen drama on a low budget network hot off the problematic 90s pop-culture and based on the most iconic superhero of all time. There's things they can't change about the story, or else it's no longer Superman's origin - and the majority of things they do change (like the baby's ship coming down hidden in a meteor shower, etc) actually benefit the show. I mean I have consistently defended Michael cuz most of his "critiques" were about production value. But now it's at the point where I just don't think he gets it. Idk...🤷♀️
To be fair this really was a nonsense plot episode. But....just get over it dude. We know. You don't have to get so fucking ANGRY about it for an HOUR, damn. It remind me of Let's Play videos (similar genre to rewatch podcasts...) where the gamer gets really tilted at something they're having trouble with and starts just criticizing every design decision in sight. And all the criticisms might be dead on, but the thing is it's SO TRANSPARENT you're only bringing it up because you're mad, not because this is the time and place for it. Maybe Michael needs to give himself more cool off time halfway through an episode.
@jerodast AGREED!
so 2 things:
(1) hmm the more I think on it, it wasnt actually a nonsense ep. I mean yeah the antagonist is a (silly) one-off (yet perfectly reflects the theme of Clark's internal struggle about transformation), and yeah they could have been more creative w the excuse to have Lois live in Smallville, but the writing is certainly at normal levels and this ep sets up alot that gets paid off throughout the show (ie: Lois getting a bug for investigating and eventually for writing, Clark and Lois reciprocal need for and receiving of help from each other, Clark initiating and also accepting he needs to reinvent himself - big pay off in S10, etc) cuz I've only seen the show as an adult, and missed the experience of watching it live, (but it did give me the comparison from watching dozens of other similar format shows over the years) and the ep wasn't bad at all. talk to me again in S7 when for my 2nd watch I had to fast forward thru most of like a dozen eps
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(2) there was a def shift in Michael for this season. like, at 1st I was giving the benefit of the doubt, but then the last handful of podcasts I've been skipping thru his rants. but I noticed that there is also a shift in the comments (on youtube and Instagram), it's blowing up about Lois. everyone is losing their minds, in a very positive way, overwhelmed w excitement that she's finally arrived. and maybe the two are completely unconnected, but we all know how much Michael is an attention thief (and also how he doesn't pay attention to eps that aren't Lex heavy which means he misses important details which means he ends up disliking those eps more)... my point is: I think Michael is jealous of Lois (lol not Erica, LOIS) and that's why even his greatest defenders are asking him to back down. cuz in 70 podcasts, I've never seen so many comments about his negativity as I have for this
Ryan: I'm kinda done with Clark and Lana
Tom: *sits quietly and has war flashbacks*
Me: *laughs hysterically, devolving into crying hysterically* 😭
**Michael Caine "You have no idea" meme**
Clana is that kind of couple that only got worse with time.
When the caller said the dunk tank scene was one of their favorite scenes in all of television and Michael’s like, “What!?” I just died laughing for like 5 minutes lol
Poor guy. Just getting his very first taste of the Clois crazies...
@@Costas22 Wow, that's a strong thing to say.
@@lilacmist04 This guy has been hounding Clois shippers all over the comments section since S4 began and leaving nasty replies about them or to them. I don't know who pissed in his cereal or if he's a closeted Clana shipper.
@@tinatinkvirkvelia1317 Yeah, I agree. It just comes across as bitter. Its okay for everyone to have their ships and politely express opinions on them, but it doesn't need to be insulting.
Yeh its not even a blip on fav scene's from this season alone
Oh man, the dunk tank was such an iconic moment. Watching it live, though, it was bittersweet. It was such a neutron bomb for Chloe, and you saw it in her face as she realized it, and you can pinpoint the moment when her heart implodes. But beyond that, it was the one moment, the moment of the singularity for Smallville where everyone watching knew the destination was Lois & Clark.
Which of course caused no small manner of distress in the CW message boards for the shippers, which at the time tickled me greatly.
Me too.😂 I was on the IMDb messages boards as a MASSIVE Lois Lane fan and shipper. Lois Lane ROCKS.😁
Yes!! Back in the day, I was a member of one of the main websites and message boards called "Kryptonsite" or "K-Site" and the Cloisers rejoiced with Glee after the famous and pivotal dunk tank scene -- myself included!!!😎😆💯
That look on Chloe’s face always hits me so hard, I’m middle aged and still feel it in my throat watching that moment where her eyes register the connection between them and how it feels like rejection to her.
"We're seeing a side of him that we haven't seen before." That's called happiness, Tom. He was being himself with this awesome woman who made him stronger.
uuuuggggggghhhhhh Can you more cheesy and tacky?!
That _My Happy Ending_ scene is a core teenage memory.
The dunk tank scene at the end really showed how much chemistry Tom and Erica had, even if you had no idea that Superman and Lois were meant to be you would know those two characters would end up together.
The iconic Clois dunk scene!!! 🥰🥰🥰 Truly one of my favourite endings of the show. It really showcased the dynamic of their relationship that we would see throughout the series: they're fun, flirty, jokey and don't take things too seriously. After all the ansgt with Lana it was so nice to see Clark let go and relax like he did around Lois. He goofed around, they bantered, he smiled more. It was so good to see and really highlighted their chemistry and how iconic they would become as a couple.
TOM GETS IT! I love that he gets what we all see and love about the show at this point in the series. This is where we see Clark open up more around Lois and their banter and scenes really gave him more to do than just pine. I do love this show by one complaint has always been that they dragged the Clark and Lana romance out way too long. You guys haven't even started that angst yet haha.
Michael, you really have to remember what genre this show is. Its not supposed to be gritty or edgy or too serious. Yes, it has moments like that but most of it is fun and lighthearted. This scene isn't the most amazing but I think it's actually quintessential Smallville, focusing on the character moments between wacky plotlines.
Also in regards to the female characters kicking ass: as far as I remember Chloe can't really do much. She'll defend herself as best she can but she's not a fighter. Lana had a whole arc earlier in the series that you're forgetting about where she was tired of always being targeted and being a damsel so she learned to defend herself. And Lois actually makes the most sense. Her dad is a general and she grew up on an army base and was taught to fight from a young age.
Thank god for Tom tbh because I don't think I could handle all of this negativity without him. 😂 I love you Michael but this is long form storytelling. Not every episode will be remarkable. Most of them are just fun like this.
I have to give this episode at least a rose 🌹 and a half for the iconic dunk tank scene, all the Clois moments in general and I actually find it a pretty fun watch.
Tom's comment to Michael on the 🌹/💣 rating is telling! There are some episodes to come that are probably way more deserving of a 3x💣 rating. Relationships (in a superhero setting) are the foundation of practically every WB/CW show series.
@@ThatllShowEm Definitely! I suppose in hindsight we're able to evaluate all the episodes against each other so it's easier for us to judge than for them who are sort of watching for the first time but this episode is FAR from the worst. Even if it's not remarkable, it has some good moments that redeem it to at least a heater. There are some truly bad episodes to come that deserve those bombs more 😂😂 The infamous "Spell" episode from this season comes to mind. Or that odd noir episode with Jimmy was always one I disliked. This one was saved by the good character and relationship moments for sure.
@@Vixin24 I actually kinda liked Noir, especially as it nods to "His Girl Friday" and the first television show of Superman.
"Spell" ... 😅 Oh, if Michael's complaining about the stone storyline NOW....🤣
@@ThatllShowEm there are some parts of it that are cool but for some reason it was never an episode I liked but fair enough. I'm someone who usually disagrees with most of Michael's complaints but I'm actually kind of looking forward to his "Spell" commentary!! Haha I hope he doesn't just call the whole thing quits then and there! 😂😂😂
I liked this episode especially any episode where you see Clark n Lois. I agree with Tom that this is where it all begins. They have awesome chemistry!!
Any episodes with Erica are worth watching. The best Lois Lane ever!!! She and Tom definitely had chemistry that was just natural. After all of the uncomfortable forced moments with Lana and Chloe, you know immediately that Lois is the one!
As someone who was bullied and picked on all through school because of acne and skin issues, unfortunately, kids do act this way with nicknames, other students joining in, etc.🌹🌹🌹 to Michael for stepping in and helping those kids at the convention.
I thought the name calling was awful but noticeably less reprehensible and dangerous than stringing a freshman up in a field, which, as much as Tom denies it was "accepted publicly", was a known tradition at Smallville HS for decades - Pete warned him about it before they'd even attended their first day. So yeah unfortunately very believable people would pile on like this if there's a toxic culture festering at the school. Certainly high school students are _capable_ of better and of standing up for social issues, but they're usually not mature enough to really change things more than incrementally if the toxicity is already entrenched.
The final scene is absolute cinema ❤❤❤ I would have loved to hear Erica talk about it
me too!!!
They need to bring her on as a guest at some point!
Michael: didn’t they already have this fight?
Tom: this is what happens with children.
I wonder which one has kids.
That Clois dunk at the end is pretty iconic. I loved the song playing as well! With Chloe hurt look indicating she saw the connection between Clark and Lois (and even if they would deny and not see it themselves)
season 4 is one of my favorite seasons because of Lois and Clark having Lois in this season made it more fun
Bro the fact that the drop of the head from clark wasn't written is soo awesome to know. Stuff like this is why i watch this podcast. That literally was a hilarious move by clark showing us he COULDN'T STAND LOIS LOL. Good stuff Tom
Man, if I was 18 and some hot chick was ordered to go to my school, and I knew her I'd have been stoked!
What i liked about this episode is that Lois was bitten by the journalism bug. She also shows that she can kick ass and doesn't need Clark to cone to her rescue.
She still lets him came to help her because they are a team and her love for him makes her start to understand she don't always have to deal with things by herself. She comes to that conclusion later in the season.
Lois SAVES Clark (again! and it's only her third episode) - that's a big deal because it shows the contrast between Clois and Clana. Lois is a strong woman who can look after herself AND Clark, making the Clois relationship more equal than Clana's right from the start. This allows Clark to be the superhero he needs to be later. I agree with Michael that it's weird that Lana and Chloe know how to fight at a very high level but it makes sense that Lois is a skilled fighter because of her military upbringing and I'm sure her father raised her to be able to look after herself. Lastly, any episode with Erica Durance/Lois is a good episode for me! Love her and Clark together - definitely boo on the show for dragging the Clana storyline past high school!
I’m happy I’m not the only one rewatching the episode because of the ending scene!
I love how most of the questions are about the final scene cause it is one of the most memorable parts of Smallville. Does Michael not realise how popular and loved Clois is?
I say this with affection, dear Michael does not understand the love of and power of Clois. It's a phenomenon. 😳🤔😆🤣❤️💯
Ya know what? I don't think he does, not if he's all, "everyone's going crazy over this scene" and that actually surprises me. I mean even if he never read a comic or wouldn't watch this show if he weren't on it (which also sucks to hear, through a fan's eyes IMO) but he grew up with Chris Reeve's Superman, and I'm sure he watched Dean and Teri when they had their run. I mean it's *LOIS AND CLARK* It's IN the name! Clear as day. He can't be *THAT* oblivious. 🤨
@@blackdogbrown That's what I was thinking! Like I don't get how he is this oblivious. Also I get the show maybe not being his thing, but his tone just sucks the fun out of this podcast.
"But his tone sucks the fun right out of this podcast"
RIGHT?!?! I mean, what the hell? Since he's in his 50s now, I *get* not being into this "Coming-of-age" series in this generation of "streaming" and being used to more "mature material." HOWEVER, as a person that was literally *on the show* should be *used to your time* and maybe even appreciate it a little?? 🫤 Not only for the "everything was slower back then" feel, but because ya know, it boosted your damn career in the industry. 😒😒
Him saying "I would never watch this show" is such a *huge slap in the face to the fandom* that held this show near and dear to their hearts for years and was the reason the whole show lasted as long as it did. For most, this show helped the fans through some really rough times in life. Does Michael not know or understand that??
He must've known he wasn't going to be 100% into it (being a grown man and all) but as a grown man and one of the best actors on the series he could *AT LEAST PRETEND* for our benefit. What was the point of doing this "for the fans" if you were just gonna shit on it, hate-watching after season 1?? It makes no sense.
It truly breaks my heart when I see kids of this generation discussing how much they love Smallville now, only to have Lex Luthor himself make everyone feel bad about it. And he's not in character, so he's not being paid to act like an asshole, he's doing it for free, and that bothers me more than anything. 😮💨😮💨
@@blackdogbrown This is why I prefer Tom or Paul and Ian from TVD because they have a fondness for their shows when they look back and appreciate what it did for their careers and as well as are mindful of the fact that many watching were kids/teens and the shows mean a lot to them now that their adults! Idk man sometimes I think Michael is pissed episodes didn't feature him, because he thinks his character is the most important and his jealous the show not only survived after he left but that 8-10 are a lot of peoples favs.
Lois added to the show so naturally. Made us fall in love with her quick. I randomly watched that last scene with my gf a week ago. Chloes face makes the scene man, goof shit
I enjoyed this entire episode. Smallville is one of the few series I can watch over again and again, and I enjoy it like the first time watching. I put it right there with Andy Griffith, MASH, and Seinfeld. As for suspension of disbelief, It is easy for me to suspend critical thinking while watching television because I don't want to live in reality while watching television.
These are fun to watch, honest opinions and all. I really enjoy Tom's positive attitude, his insights on the character interactions in the episodes, and both his and Michael's on-set stories! I also agree with Tom that the Lois and Clark interactions allowed for Clark to have some more fun and open up in a different way. Great chemistry and fun between the two of them! Even with episodes that aren't as good as others, there's always great moments in Smallville, just like in this one.
Sometimes the real reason to watch a weekly show is all the little moments between characters: the dunk tank scene, Johnathan Kent and Clark playing football, etc. The villain of the week is often so obligatory if they are not interesting, I just mentally tune out.
10 seasons are amazing for viewers. Cuz most of the clips people love to rewatch are the small moments in a long show. that never get seen otherwise. E.g; dunk tank, Clark and Lois outside the barn. Those make the show memorable and bring us back to watch ( THE EMOTION AND CONNECTION)❤!!!
That dunk tank scene is quite a milestone in smallville.
For what? They keep bantering as if they are brother and sister in the very next episode.
Exactly at this point in the show I don't get the hype about their relationship. They were fun but they literally acted like siblings around each other @@Costas22
I agree! Their romantic chemistry is amazing and its great to see the way Clark is with Lois. Like Tom said, she really brings out a different and light side of him. Lois and Clark have rom-com banter vibes and by the end of the series they still have fun and flirt, but the depth of love and trust they have for each other is beautiful to see.
@@Costas22I have to give kudos to your denial. The actor himself comments about romantic banter, twice now.
Erica Durance is my favorite Lois Lane . this episode is a episode i remember the most from my childhood
I loved the first 3 eps of s4. Everything was so bright and not so serious. A new beginning. I love the highschool stuff. And it reminded me of S1 like you guys said. I actually enjoyed that!
Tom was really insightful this episode. Wow!
It cracks me up the stars of the show have no idea or memory of where the Lana story was going. Besides the upside of Los' addition, it was cool to see Clark be able to have fun and play quarterback/football. The show had to change, and these are some of the ways it did.
Well.. the writers really didnt have any idea where that was going either.... Lana's storyline this season was so dumb.
@@lincolnkupchak4795 It felt like they knew from the beginning of the season 4 that they wanted to connect it to the stones of powers, they basically intertwined Clark, Lex and Lana and Jason storylines this season. But I enjoyed the Isobel storyline because of the sci-fi element and I thought it was fun and unpredictable. I also always liked when the cast would play completely different versions of their character.
I think they want to block all the horrible memories like it never happened.
Me too! Of course we know what will happen & what it's leading up to but they don't understand it!
@@vbrandy7088 I will say, the "Previously on _Smallville"_ for the season 4 finale is one of my favorite 2 minutes of the series, and part of that is that shot of Lana magically spinning through the air - was that in China? - and eyes turning people even though it makes no goddamn sense at all haha. Spectacle! Gimme dat spectacle, just don't drag it out too long or try to convince me it makes sense 😂
Ryan: "I'm done with Clark and Lana"
The Show: "Prepare for disappointment"
I hate how long they drug Clana out but it will be fun to continue to see the guys talk shit about it. Because it honestly sucked.
Right😂😂
Imagine Ryan's reaction when the romance is rekindled in season EIGHT!
Don't think Talkville will be around until then, to be honest.
Back in the day, a large contingent grew extremely weary of the entire "secrets and lies" spiel that Lana spent way too much time lamenting about.🙄🤢🤮🤣
My sweet summer child 🥲
The chemistry again between Lois and Clark again is amazing. She literally steals scenes so well and the rest as they say is history.
I feel like Michael thinks Smallville was a super serious drama and it shows in his scenes in a good way, a bit removed from the rest of the show. He’s forgetting it’s also a show about teens in high school dealing with the things that teens do, and that part was a lot of fun to watch for that younger demographic who could relate.
The fact is the Lex scenes are less believable adult thriller writing than the high school scenes are believable high school writing. The situations are more extreme than reality but the sloppy, aggravating, spiky emotions are pretty dead on. I really find it kinda sad that Michael is so insistent on looking for some kind of mature, edgy adult oriented tone to the show that he has to cling to eps like "Insurgence" like nuts for the winter, when even that episode, while very good for _Smallville_ is objectively not even as good as a mid-tier Marvel movie or forgettable 90s thriller. (Don't get me wrong, "Insurgence" is made BETTER by the fact it uses Lex, Lionel, and Martha the way it does and revolves around the Secrets of Clark Kent, I'm glad they made the episode. I'm just saying the show fundamentally is not built to be very serious about gritty, realistic themes.)
One of my favorite endings of the entire show! Erica and Tom really had so much chemistry with each other. I also liked how they brought back Eric Johnson for a bit. I also thought the scene when Clark bursts into Lana and Jason in the office pretty funny. Thanks again guys ❤️
One of my favorite quotes from Clark:
"Every handshake, every hug, everytime I'm out on that field. I make a conscious decision to fall when those guys hit me so they don't get hurt." No matter how hard you try you can't understand that. " -CK
A little early for this one right?
yeah he is a little early. Also chloe gave clark similar advice later in the series when he asked about dong a certian activity with lana iykyk lol.@@jerodast
Completely agree that last scene is just iconic! 🤩 Also the chemistry between Lana and Jason looks so natural on screen🧡
Michael: I don’t mean to sound negative.
Me: *looks back on the past year and some change* “are you sure?”
😂😂😂
Or him saying this is the first time he hasn’t cared 😂 Love you so much Michael! I laugh so hard, your commentary gives me life!
It’s getting old. He’s annoyed at the plot lines he doesn’t understand yet - we’ll let it play out man. You said you don’t like when everything is tied up in a bow at the end of every episode. They’re stringing a longer plot line together for Lana, and you don’t like that either? Make up your mind on what you want them to do haha.
Generally cause Mike is Lex!👍😂 when shows the negative something he dislikes and impatient
@@penguinvsminja Absolutely perfect observation, I said the exact same thing on 4x01 or 4x02 when he was complaining about Lana's tattoo.
Love that Michael loves the insane flirting between Clois. The dunk tank scene has lived in my head rent free since I first saw it 20 years ago. Talk about iconic and the chemistry! I love that Tom adores the scene as well, you can tell him and Erica have always had magic. I love a cute bantery couple who think being playful is flirting. It's definitely in Tom's wheelhouse bc the movies and shows he likes all involve rom-com couples who banter and he has that same energy with Erica. I also love how Tom is so excited to see Clark have a personality and bantering ala Moonlighting. You can just see he loves this Clark. He loves how FREE Clark is because that is Tom. I also love how Tom says "this is where it begins for me"- I couldn't agree more!
The bullying of “Scabby Abby”is very real. I am short and i mean very short, I don’t break 5’0 short! So couple that with having very bad acne as well. Yeah you get bullied a lot for things out of your control and it’s sad because all you want to do is fit in.
It's lousy. I knew a guy back in high school who was nicknamed "Pizza Face" because of the many zits he had on his face. He was actually a nice kid -- studious and hard working. We were on Student Council together and he had so many great ideas to bring to the table. It just goes to show you -- don't judge a book by its cover.
I can relate very much to this. In middle school, I had serious bad acne and I got called names more times than I can remember, such as “Pizza Face”. I look back now and I’m like “Okay, whatever. Life goes on.”
Come on, Michael, you missed it by majoring on the minors! 😔 How about the GREAT scenes between Clark & Jonathan? Lois' FIRST undercover story & headline? Chloe welcoming "Lois Lane to the bull pen??" Of course, the end football catch/dunk & John's surprised reaction! And one of the BEST ENDINGS IN TELEVISION HISTORY!! Look past the wonky & look at the awesome! Love you guys!
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Agree completely! This isn't an amazing episode but it has so many amazing moments, references and foreshadowing!
Agree, lots of great moments in this episode to talk about. I enjoyed it.
Yeah, I also think the crime story wasn't important to this episode, that's why it was so silly.
Dunk scene is amazing, still pull it up on TH-cam for a random watch.
When Rosenbaum says it's 2 bombs and you edited the safe house blowing up. I rolled off my couch laughing.
I wasn't the only one who noticed Chloe's face when she realized Clark and Lois had serious chemistry.
One of my most favorite shows. Other than Terri Hatcher, Erica Durance is one of best Lois Lane on small screen.
Dean & Tom, two of the best!!!
#GOAT
Dean and Teri on 'Lois and Clark TNAOS' are the reason Clois is my favourite fictional couple. But Tom and Erica are my favourites now 😍
lois lane can kick ass because she is literally an army brat! grew up with the general and has been around military soldiers and officers. she is a badass all on her own that's literally a character trait of lois lane from the comics
Yeah exactly! Of all the characters on the show right now, Lois is the one that actually makes sense that she can fight!
God Bless Tom for sticking up for the show and shielding us from all of Rosey’s shitting…bro, not every episode needs to be The Wire. Life ain’t like that, sometimes you have goofy assed days, sometimes the world is on your shoulders…unclinch my brother, I promise you there are better episodes coming deserving of your ire.
The moment I saw the title of the video I BURST OUT LAUGHING, because I can see someone did their homework 🤣! The Clois dunk scene is INDEED iconic, like you have no idea! It changed lives lol, viewer perceptions, made people start to watch the show, even to this day it goes viral on tiktok over and over. And we have never seen Clark smile that big before, I still remember my shock seeing it for the first time - and that with him and Lois still in their 'hating each other' phase 😂
After watching this fully I'm laughing even more, because Michael found himself watching what is essentially a regular CW teen drama with superheroes and is fighting for his life 🤣
Also shout out to the listener calling out the DRAGGED OUT to hell Clark and Lana storyline. But why did I get the impression that Michael thinks it may be over and they may be moving on now? Becauseee... oh boy 🤣 And Ryan is so spot on about Lois and is already tired of that story as well, hoping Lana will figure something out.. Oh sweet summer child 🤣 I'm just truly excited to see all the suffering, cause if I had to suffer through that for years, then I'll watch you guys suffer too 🤣🤣🤣
They are in for a rude awakening more Lana 😂😂😂🤦🏽♀️
Hahaha so true all of this! 😂😂
I definitely think they don't remember how long the Clark/Lana stuff was dragged out for. 😅 They're in for a bumpy ride haha
@@Costas22 Ah yes, well done! What a true man! 👏👏
lol
Exactly lol it’s a rite of passage for all Smallville viewers. We all had to suffer, but it’s funny watching other ppl go through the same 😂
The bullying scene happened to me when I was 15 (2006). I will never forget my secondary school days... It happened at the canteen during lunchtime. Not scabby.. but they chanted something else... From that day on, I stopped eating at the canteen and hid away during lunchtime. Wow, it still brings tears to my eyes...
Noone should ever have to go through that.. I'm very sorry that happened to you
Guys... Dr. Fine threatened Lois by saying she would end up in the psych ward, as the treatment would not have the antidote, she would go crazy. Therefore, she would have no memory of anything. Not sure how you all missed that point. Also, Dr. Fine went to the psych ward and Abigile would be back the next week to school, per Chole. but I love the show and the podcast, keep it up!!
The ending is that kind of a scene which crystallizes in your mind forever, even after 20+ years you still perfectly mentally visualize it and remember it without even having to actually Watch it
they are school kids, EVERY teenager seeing a girl in come in their locker room looking like Lois would be like OOOOOH ok.
this is normal for a teenager with hormones etc. you guys are really watching this through the old souls eyes you have grown over the years.
THIS EPISODE has alot going as do the rest in this season - Lex lost Clark, and needs to work hard to rebuild the only friend he has ever had. that's meaningful.
Yeah I didn't really see anything weird about that scene. a) you're underaged boys and an adult woman is walking through the locker room. That's weird as hell. You're gonna stare at her. Lois seems to have a thing for going right up to the line of sexual harassment of minors. b) I don't recall any egregious catcalls or anything, but I admit it was probably backgrounded and I wouldn't remember.
I love you John! God forbid Michael should have to listen to a stranger talk to him for more than 10 seconds 🤣🤣
I think Michael is too harsh on this one. I think it's a better episode than the next one. Also of all of the female leads to be able to kick butt, Lois makes the most sense. Plus her calling Dr. Fine a bitch was hilarious 😂
The one positive to the central storyline here (putting aside the Clark & Lois stuff, we get it guys they're cute together okay), is Brianna Brown giving it her all to make it work despite the ridiculous writing. It reminds me very much of Amy Adams in "Craving". She is capable of much better than this and brings a certain earnestness to Abby that the story doesn't really deserve. Not saying BB is necessarily as talented as AA (lol comics do love the alliterative names huh), but she has had some much meatier appearances in less silly shows and done a fine job with them, moreso than many freak of the week day players. (Chelan Simmons is in next week's episode and also has a career that reaches at least C-level, but unlike BB she's just one of a gang of cheerleaders, plus she has tended toward camp, horror and titillating roles anyway.)
the dunk tank is one of THE BEST MOMENT in Smallville and from this moment we know how the relationship between Lois and Clark is going to be! i love this moment and their smiles...and we can see aside Chloe's face where we literally can read that she knows she will never have a chance with Clark, i felt bad for her but i was so happy for CLOIS!😍
and apparently Jensen Ackles showed Erica how to throw the ball to ensure she will get the target.
Fun fact! To help set the throwback feel of the first scene in this episode on top of “Freshman Year 2001” and Whitney’s return, in the background Stereoblis’ “Eight Half Letters” is playing, which is the exact same song that was playing when we very first are introduced to Smallville High School in Season 1 Episode 1!
I agree with Michael it felt like kind of a weak episode/story to bring him back for, but as just a nod "hey regardless of the circumstances it'd be nice to bookend the high school years with one more appearance from you" I guess it's kind of nice. Shame about the filming debacle.
Tom's so insightful darn
Please be nice Rosey, this show means so much to me and other people. It may not be the type of show you would have watched but also, you weren't the demographic. I was 12-22 and it helped me pursue art, fall in love with comics, and write my own novel. Lex and Clark's dynamic was my favorite. It contains a lot of nuance and complexities and even though there are some corny moments in the show or some holes - it holds up even in 2024!
Great Talkville episode. I agree on last scene with dunk tank as a good character moment without words.
This ending was so epic you could see the beginning of a relationship that blossoms into a great love story but it takes a long time and we're still going to get more Clark and Lana it goes on for far to long but being a Clark and Lois fan you have to stick with it if you want to finally see the true love story ❤️
Lois walking in on him playing football is also a significant scene for their relationship, as it is she who challenges him on becoming a football player instead of being a wedgie magnet. That's a theme with Lois and Clark, she makes him reconsider his assumptions.
Great episode again team!
Thankfully we have Tom's positivity to balance Michael's blunt honesty! Ryan's analysis is always great to hear too. Keep it going :)
Moonlighting reference!!! YES, TOM! Like we needed more reasons to like this guy! ^_^
Honestly I thought that marked him as about a decade older than most of the then-teen fans of the show haha. But it's definitely an influential show for television. A lot of people might've said Sam & Diane. (Another show a little too old for my growing up years.) Actually that's interesting - what other _combative_ will-they-won't-they shows are iconic? Jim & Pam pretty much love each other from the start. Maybe _Homeland_ lol (which Brianna Brown appeared on for a short guest run).