Transference P1: Is the Kurzweil Forte, K2700 & PC4/7 a Montage or Kronos killer?

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  • @hd24alesi
    @hd24alesi ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Kurzweil need you to promote this beast amazing how your ports bring it to another level

    • @inside_joke
      @inside_joke  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I don't think they can afford me :-)

    • @hd24alesi
      @hd24alesi ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@inside_joke haha how much would you charge for packages of your library I’d be interested I have some but you have others you haven’t ported across

    • @inside_joke
      @inside_joke  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@hd24alesi Patreons can make a suggestion or two, always happy to oblige as long it's a reasonable time effort!

  • @penponds
    @penponds 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Incredible sound and great improvisation!!

  • @kahlilsmith5243
    @kahlilsmith5243 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Straight Genius! Kurzweil Should hire You.

    • @inside_joke
      @inside_joke  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank-you!

  • @hd24alesi
    @hd24alesi ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ll subscribe I don’t have enough time to sample these days due lots of projects I’m on but your Rhodes port was awesome

    • @inside_joke
      @inside_joke  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Happy you appreciate the Rhodes port, thanks

    • @hd24alesi
      @hd24alesi ปีที่แล้ว

      Great port of Grandeur nice and warm you got the Kurz purring haha

  • @dirkkeersmaekers4343
    @dirkkeersmaekers4343 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks man,help me a lot to choose

  • @calcairecamhi
    @calcairecamhi ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hooked to your 12:35 riff, sound also

  • @femagon
    @femagon หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hi, I have purchased some of your sounds. Pianos are amazing. Now I would like to purchase another sounds, but your Patreon page does not work. How can I do it? Regards

  • @Benqo
    @Benqo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great job!

  • @quananginh9446
    @quananginh9446 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I guess the next generation of stage pianos will be VST host just like a MIDI keyboard attached to computer. That way, the possibilities of sounds will be unlimitted.

  • @hendrikmustermann4789
    @hendrikmustermann4789 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    great video. Thank you so much! Has the SYSEX BUG been fixed?

    • @inside_joke
      @inside_joke  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi/ Hoi Hendrik, i was not aware of a sysex bug, but check out the Forte forum: forums.godlike.com.au/index.php

  • @АлександрЛапченко-н4е
    @АлександрЛапченко-н4е 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    KURZ is a solid made and high professional tool.

    • @inside_joke
      @inside_joke  ปีที่แล้ว

      Be happy to know the secret :-)

  • @PatMaddox
    @PatMaddox ปีที่แล้ว

    These are some excellent sounds. Do you have any info on how you put them together? I am curious what you chose in terms of sample length, steps, velocity layers, how you loop the samples, and what kind of programming you do in the kurz.
    edit: watching P2 now!!!

  • @penponds
    @penponds 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    We see plenty of the biggest stars / bands playing with Kronos, and K2000 series, but I’ve yet to see a single Forte on stage.
    Any opinions why / happy to be corrected..?
    I’ve only an old SP4, and gave up waiting for an affordable Forte to appear so put down $2000 (AUD) on Roland Fantom G8 that I’ve midi’ed to my old FA-07 to access its Supernatural sounds.

    • @inside_joke
      @inside_joke  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Legit point. Well, I think Kurzweil should just do better Marketing.

  • @insupark0820
    @insupark0820 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Can you put Kronos through your work flow? Especially....Italian piano.

    • @inside_joke
      @inside_joke  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Any instrument can be translated- i would need the instrument at hand to do so to do it properly.

  • @hannesoberwalder5676
    @hannesoberwalder5676 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    the additional display of the Forte is nice, is this real? What is it?
    The sounds of this guy are very interesting - I am looking for a mono compatible piano sound for the stage for Kurzweil Forte - is there any thing planned?

  • @calcairecamhi
    @calcairecamhi 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Where can I find your Grandeur post on Patreon ? Can't seem to find it

    • @inside_joke
      @inside_joke  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hi, here you go- the latest version. Comes is in a XL and Big version: www.patreon.com/posts/steinway-d-grand-110213877

    • @calcairecamhi
      @calcairecamhi 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@inside_joke I'm using some of your sounds on a daily basis. I liked the Kurzweil before. Now it's near perfect. The only thing I'd like to upgrade is the keyboard. I've not opened it up yet, and there are no videos online. I was wondering if the keyboard hardware connectors and screws were the same as fatar keybeds, to replace the Medelli one day. The action is quite good, sure it's not bad, but the building quality won't last (same as fatar tp100lr, they tend to wear out fast. Though imo tp100lr action is bad).

    • @calcairecamhi
      @calcairecamhi 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'd like to purchase one of your Rhodes sounds because I'm not satisfied with the onboard one. It's good but the velocity layers are reacting strange, no matter the velocity curve I'm using. My go to rhodes vst is Vintage Vibe 88 Keyscape Spectrasonics. Is one of your sounds similar ? The MK8 maybe ?

    • @inside_joke
      @inside_joke  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@calcairecamhi well. I agree with the keybed limitations. Kurz should create a desktop or rack version of its Forte/K2700. My solution is less elegant, I use a VPC1 for piano and a Roland synth for most other sounds. For some sounds, like Rhodes, I do like the fatar keybeds. Already I can feel a difference between my Forte (5yo) and my brand-new K2700, aging goes fast. If you find a workaround, you should share it, many struggle with this.

    • @inside_joke
      @inside_joke  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@calcairecamhi It's pretty tricky to give you solid advice on this one because the velocity layers a so personal. I have a heavy touch. What I do try, is to use more layers and find natural transitions and build-up. It is not linear. My Golden Rhodes is one to try (MK1) and for the MK8 I am going to update that one soon, it's an already a beauty, but time gives new tricks for improvement.

  • @angelmirmartinez9096
    @angelmirmartinez9096 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi newbie here. I own a PC4 SE. What does it mean it doesn't have sample memory? What are the limitations? Can I still upload sounds I found on line?

    • @inside_joke
      @inside_joke  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi, the PC4SE is a powerful instrument as well, you have 2GB flashram to load in sounds- you can even load in my sounds in .For (Forte format). Check out my page a Patreon for freebies

    • @angelmirmartinez9096
      @angelmirmartinez9096 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@inside_jokeHey thanks for you reply... TH-cam did not let me know about your answer and I found it revisiting your video. Since my PC4SE is sample memory excluded I thought I couldn't add any kind of external sounds, but there are some sounds ( the formats allowed by Kurzweil)l that I can really use.
      I really like the cfx and c7 pianos in the YC of Yamaha. Is there a way to have them on my PC4SE or Do I have to upgrade to a regular PC4 or k2700.
      By the way I am blown away for all your knowledge. Most of the time as I read your description I did not know what you were talking about. Thanks for takinthe time to share it.

    • @inside_joke
      @inside_joke  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@angelmirmartinez9096 Thank-you, although the PC4se is a great instrument an upgrade to a PC4 (or maybay the upcoming K2061/88) will give you 'a world' of extra sounds. Mabay you can trade you SE in at a music store - sometimes you can make a good deal. With the Flashram you will not be able to get those fancy pianos.

    • @angelmirmartinez9096
      @angelmirmartinez9096 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@inside_joke It is good to know that there is a way to have those piano sounds. Upgrading doesn't seem soon for me. There is no trade in where I live and I think K2088 will be almost as heavy as a K 2700. If I manage to do it I will ask you how to get them. Thanks.

  • @joskomestrov-uroda4012
    @joskomestrov-uroda4012 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Are Yamaha CP70b and NS3 Mello/Schimmel Upright multisamples/programs available for download?

    • @inside_joke
      @inside_joke  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      www.patreon.com/posts/schimmel-upright-75777389

    • @inside_joke
      @inside_joke  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      www.patreon.com/posts/yamaha-cp70-juno-80872914

    • @inside_joke
      @inside_joke  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Here you go! any problems, let know

    • @joskomestrov-uroda4012
      @joskomestrov-uroda4012 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@inside_joke I downloaded both. Now just to load them in my Forte.
      edit: CP70 is not FOR format file (NKI)

    • @inside_joke
      @inside_joke  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@joskomestrov-uroda4012 I see you have a active account, great. I also see you have a free membership and a paid one. Please login under the paid account and download the sounds. You can also use the search option to get to the right downloads.

  • @hd24alesi
    @hd24alesi ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you put all your library on patroon and I’ll subs again

    • @inside_joke
      @inside_joke  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks, really! you can get some new free tasters (freebies) on my Patreon btw. Its quite a job to put them up but step-by-step i am getting there. www.patreon.com/user?u=81242476

  • @joskomestrov-uroda4012
    @joskomestrov-uroda4012 ปีที่แล้ว

    Could You lead me how to access all these treasures? I don't have any experience with Patreon...I would like to donate and download if this is how it goes 😊

    • @inside_joke
      @inside_joke  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Josko, if you consider them treasures, than i lead you there with pleasure :-) After a general sign on to Patreon, you can simply can become a member of my tier 'Get access to my Forte and K2700 sounds'. Then you'll be able to download all.

    • @inside_joke
      @inside_joke  ปีที่แล้ว

      Membership is monthly renewed, so enough time to browse and get what you like. Greetings. Inside_Joke

    • @joskomestrov-uroda4012
      @joskomestrov-uroda4012 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@inside_joke I will definitely join and donate as soon as I get to my PC. Hope that libraries that are of my interest will be available 😁

  • @donleino
    @donleino 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    trying to understand the difference from a forte 8 and a k2700, i can get a forte for like 2grand and a k2700 would be like 3

    • @inside_joke
      @inside_joke  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Hi Don, the Forte has more flashmemory, the K2700 doubles the polyphony. And there are small differences like a audio interface for the 2700. I would always go for the Forte.

    • @donleino
      @donleino 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@inside_joke hmmm im wondering the difference of waverom. I know forte has more piano ep clav waves. But not sure about other instruments. Thanks for replying

    • @Martin_Demsky
      @Martin_Demsky ปีที่แล้ว

      0:45 ​​@@donleinoi own Forte, it have 16 GB of samples instead of 4,5 GB on K2700. K2700 have more polyphony (256 voices instead of 128), but on Forte KB3 mode have free polyphony, not counted into these 128 voices. FM engine, VA oscillators etc are same. If you are looking for good orchestra, there is some 3rd party libs which sounds great (Epic Orchestra). Also some other great from Barb&Co, from Dave Weiser great epianos, or you can import programs from PC3/4. Thousands of great programs.

  • @crandallexpo0648
    @crandallexpo0648 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you transport NI sounds with the PC4 ? You know?

    • @inside_joke
      @inside_joke  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Crandel, if you mean to ask if the PC4 can load NI sounds directly i'm sorry to say no. But, after converting them (check vid 2 of this series) the awnser is YES!

  • @crandallexpo0648
    @crandallexpo0648 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wait kurzweil has the mks 20 sounds?

    • @inside_joke
      @inside_joke  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not exactly, Roland did - but i converted them to the Kurz :-)

    • @crandallexpo0648
      @crandallexpo0648 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@inside_joke yes that's what I'm trying to figure out so I can put it into my PC4 when it gets here. I have the sounds on my laptop for NI Kontakt

    • @inside_joke
      @inside_joke  ปีที่แล้ว

      www.patreon.com/posts/roland-mks-20-75405089

  • @robertvanderend6333
    @robertvanderend6333 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This one still in the market?

  • @lollebolle8
    @lollebolle8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sounds great. Can I buy them all on your patriot site?

    • @inside_joke
      @inside_joke  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nice to hear you enjoy them Lollebolle. There are many patches already, most I will upload coming time- I want to get it right. If you want a specific sound with 'priority' just let me know. Some freebies there too btw.

  • @Venatt1
    @Venatt1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Kurzweil K2700 us amazing, but the reason I won't buy it's because it's to heavy. If they make a 61 key version I would give it a very serious consideration.

    • @inside_joke
      @inside_joke  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The forte has more flashram and a 76key version, not too heavy for me.

    • @joskomestrov-uroda4012
      @joskomestrov-uroda4012 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      K2061 is "soon to be released", but with less sample ROM vs Forte (2 Gb vs 16 Gb) which affects mostly acoustic and electric piano multisamples, and less RAM (2 Gb vs 3.4 Gb)

  • @தேவகிருபை-வ1ச
    @தேவகிருபை-வ1ச 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Kronos is killer for me....

    • @inside_joke
      @inside_joke  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      We all have our medicine :-)

    • @torbenanschau6641
      @torbenanschau6641 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@inside_joke But seriously! I mean even the first Kronos already had an inbuilt 30 GB SSD which allowed streaming directly from there, later models had 60. And of course you could do exactly the same trick with using other libraries. Fact though is, whilst these are just samples, the Kronos has 9 Sound engines. Not just three like the Forte/2700. And I'd be indeed hard impressed if you'd manage to get the sounds of the virtual acoustic engine into the K. Let alone and MS-20, Polysix. Or alternatively reprogram those with vast. Which on my K2500XS. Whilst impressive, it's also pretty complicated. There have been geeks to program KB3, but that's not what everyone is capable of.

    • @robertvanderend6333
      @robertvanderend6333 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@torbenanschau6641 Seriously, SSD is not comparable to FLASH ram. Loading times are zero, and you have Seamless sound switching, for musicians a big thing. FLASH is crazy expensive, although getting more available now, like in the Nord Stage. Personally, the playing comfort with FLASH is so much better. Latency wise, the Kurz feels more direct and like a musical instrument. The Kurz needs only 1 sound engine (VAST), all is build around it. It goes much, much deeper than Kronos sys. For one, the VAST sample engine is comparable to Kontakt (sample startpoint modulation etc, multisample groups, random switches), that's why you can convert those libraries better. And the sound is way better, if you know what you are doing. The kronos emulations (MS-20 etc.) are nice synths of course, but feel like a gimmick. If you owned a Polysix you know it sounds way, way better. Yes, VAST is complicated and not for everyone, it's the same for modular synthesis or other open systems. But endusers can profit from other sounddesigners doing the hard work.

    • @MrCcfly
      @MrCcfly 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@robertvanderend6333 ssd is flash nand mean supeeeer fast vs same stuff that is prices superrr expensive

  • @gibson2623
    @gibson2623 ปีที่แล้ว

    NO.

  • @docsax7769
    @docsax7769 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nothing beats Kronos

    • @hd24alesi
      @hd24alesi ปีที่แล้ว +1

      erm I beg to differ ootb maybe BUT if you load the right samples and believe me I have had all the major synths incl a Kronos which I liked, into the Kurz then its game over. Let me say this subs to Inside_Joke pattern get the Rhodes and Grandeur. How he got the Grandeur to sound as good as the NI one is beyond me considering the size. I had to eq the NI one to give it body (I normally do that) and did add eq mainly bass on the Kurz its just sublime. Kurz is like a sports car until you activate its bells and whistle you can maybe feel a bit underwhelmed , with em on and it's NO Contest.

    • @dyinbreed3329
      @dyinbreed3329 ปีที่แล้ว

      nothing except the Forte