It's digital garble - it happens when you're trying to process and clean up a digital audio stream that has significant background noise. Its not a demon.
I recently found out there was a pagan cult called the cult of ia (pronounced yah) that went on simultaneously along side of Judaism and early Christianity. Im wondering if this cult doesnt tie in with what Mr Heiser is speaking of.
@@alexanderh2345trinity believes as you that The father is Jesus and the Holy Spirit is Jesus , they believe that but they say it’s the same essence, so trinitarians believe that when they are talking to the Father they know is Jesus essence
@@alexanderh2345 no, go and search they believe The father the Son and the Holy spirit Are the same Essence, the same God(essence), the same source manifested in Father son and Holy Spirit but each manifestation is different than the other , and they are eternally manifested, So at the end of the day they know if they are praying to the father they are praying to Jesus Crist Spirit
In Gen 1-2 God is presented in three ways. God in the beginning: the spirit of God moving over the waters; and then the LORD God in chap.2. 1. God. 2. The Spirit of God. 3. The LORD God.
I been looking to only Jesus position and I been liking to this study of the Old Testament, why is it that only Jesus doctrine is not the same as saying that the Father and the son is the same essence ? I been tempted to belive that the trinity is man made
When I read genesis 1 and 2, I've come to the conclusion there is indeed a trinity. In chapter one, God is presented, and then the Spririt of God, and then in chapter 2 the LORD God is the one who furnishes creation and interacts with Adam. So there are 3 types of God presented in chapter 1 and 2. I believe that Jesus Christ is actually the LORD God himself.
Rabbinic Judaism is not the same as OT Judaism. You cannot find the two powers in heaven line of thinking in the prophets and patriarchs of Genesis to Malachi. Elohim applies to Christ par excellence. Elohim and Logos are the inter-language equivalents of the man Christ Jesus. No such thing as a plurality in God. Everything he said is so easily refutable. Just think of God as singularly one person who shows himself in different manifestations. Apply that line of thinking and watch how the whole Bible fits perfectly together with ZERO confusion. Blessings to you in the name of Jesus!🙏
@@alexanderh2345 that's not true. You need to read the material from Jewish and Christian scholars like Alan Segal's "Two Powers in Heaven" and Andrei A. Orlov "the Glory of the Invisible God: Two Powers in Heaven". This is only two, there are more. The two powers is legitimate theology from the text. The word Elohim is used of dead humans, angels and God. Perfect example is Psalm 82, now grab yourself a concordance and look up all the references from the old testament. That's what scholars do, they actually look it up and count. The way you have described God is called modalism and it's not a defensible theological position if the scripture is to be considered inspired, I suggest you get a theology textbook and look that up too.
@@LastFellowship Saying there are two powers in heaven is blasphemy against God and exactly what Satan wants. He wanted to be a second power in heaven, equal with God, and God cast him down because of it. Unfortunately, many Christians have fallen for the oldest deception there is. God is singularly one (Deut 6:4, 32:39, Isaiah 43:10-11, 44:8, Eph 4:5-6, Heb 1:3, and thousands more). Elohim is plural because it has in it the prophetic coming of Christ, and is therefore a reference to both deity and humanity. Elohim is the Word of God, hence it is used in the creation account and it is not until Genesis 2 when the narrative shifts to using Jehovah Elohim or “Lord God.” The significance being that there is God and his Word and they are not separable as your word is not separable from you. John picks up on this great truth and uses the term Logos to bring greater revelation about who God is. It was by the Logos that all was created just as Elohim is said to create all in the beginning (Gen 1:1). This Logos is Jesus, the Word made flesh, and inseparable from God himself for he is God himself. He is the Logos, the Elohim, Jehovah, the I AM, the Alpha and Omega… The two powers false doctrine isn’t found in the Bible. That’s why Heiser and others have to go to rabbinic Judaism which is not inspired from God as the prophets were. To believe in more than one power in heaven is to have more than one god and no longer remain a monotheist. You rail against modalism, but can you even properly explain what it is? Doubtful.
@@alexanderh2345 no it's not, you don't understand what blasphemy is. The two powers is found in the bible, it's from the bible that the people write about it are trying to show you. Please read a book written by a PhD peer reviewed scholar on this subject. Modalism is pretty self explanatory, please once again - read a blooming book
@@LastFellowship You blaspheme God by calling him a plurality. Love how you sidestepped giving an explanation of modalism. You can’t is my guess. You’re in need of reading Scripture more carefully and dispelling with all of this philosophy that has turned a simple, yet profound truth into a a confusing heap of nonsense. Is Jesus not enough for you? Why do you look for others when it is Christ alone who died for your sins?
@@alexanderh2345 no I don't. Bye now, I don't debate people who try to have fights online over stupid points that have been settled over 1000 years ago. Go do something useful with your life.
Well, Judaism does not teach the trinity in Judaism. Thats enough for me. But if your the curious type and believe that people who do not believe in judaism as it is taught in judaism, check out Rabbi Skobak and he will teach you about the teachings in Luke in the new testament, something that he does not believe in. I'm sure you will change your mind and believe in what he says about Luke rather what is taught by christians. Right....
@@promagnuman which Jewdaism? Have you read any 2nd temple literature? By the language you are using I can tell you don't really know what you're talking about.
Monotheism is s The true way to go because Jesus shows himself to be God right in the first chapters of Genesis it was Jesus Christ and now you know why Michael's gone he was a false teacher. Did he know Christ? I hope he did but let me tell you something knowledge and interpretation of the scripture only comes from the Holy Spirit not what men think.
Yes I also got the same thing. Ive been battling with this for so long, and recently went back and read 1-2. Wrote it down many times, sat and pondered, found the supposed 1st English translation, way before king james... and I just know, for a fact, that Jesus is the LORD God, that is from beginning with his hand in the whole creation. Jesus it the one.. the only way, the truth, and the light. Gen. 1. - God was in the beginning, the spirit of God then moved upon the water, and then the LORD God is introduced in Gen 2. To me that is who they are talking about with the passage, "Let us make man in our image." Even giant in gen.6 was tyrant. And in old myth they would represent a big reputation and status and depict them as a giant for e.g. the three brothers, Kings of Spain, depicted as a three headed giant because they agreed with everything and it was as if they had one brain. So gen 6. Sounds like the sons of god, who were believers, fell from righteousness, when they took the daughters of men, who I believe to be unbelievers, as they chose who they liked, meaning they took free will away from the women and possibly raped them. Bringing in children that were of two different ideologies in their mind, and possibly a product of sinful sex, and thus jeopardizing their righteousness status. Just my take... but It makes more sense to me. Even in old chronicles from 1500s state they dug up giants bones but the size of the bones were like 6-7 ft.. but they were enthusiastically saying they found a giant. We live along side giants now... so... nothing new under the sun, it's all about "perception," and I don't see the Angel's theory working at all, even though I previously subscribed to it.
How to hacķ the Word in peices to make the trinìty doctrine a Jewish belief and 1st century believers 3 in 1 god followers. God is the Father to whom Jesus prayed and by Whom Jesus was raised from the dead. Hear ÿe oh Israel, the LORD GOD IS ONE, (Not 3 in 1).
@@ahope4u2 You are obviously presumptuous. I have no disagreement with Father, Son and Spirit being one. My comment was in reply to @jamminwithjambo7729 that doesn't seem to agree and further believes that research and instruction are 'hacks' to teach something not in the Word and other documents. Hope that helps.
I had to look a few times to make sure this was Dr Heiser. He’s so young and his voice is SO different! 😂😂. I do miss him!
Thanks for sharing such a gem with us. God bless you and RIP Dr. Mike Heiser, you are missed a lot. 😢
Excellent presentation! You are missed, Dr. H, but happy you're with the Godhead, three-in-one! 🙌
Agreed! 🙏
At 1:57:30 there is a very scary sounding audio thing. I assume its just an audio issue but scary none the less.
It's digital garble - it happens when you're trying to process and clean up a digital audio stream that has significant background noise. Its not a demon.
"Just trust me bro it's not demon" lol
But obviously the sound has been denoised, perhaps too much in some places
I recently found out there was a pagan cult called the cult of ia (pronounced yah) that went on simultaneously along side of Judaism and early Christianity. Im wondering if this cult doesnt tie in with what Mr Heiser is speaking of.
@@richardkasper5822 not sure haven't heard of them.
I Understand the relationship of God Trinity
No you don’t, because it’s not real.
God is one and his name is Jesus. Now that you can understand.
@@alexanderh2345trinity believes as you that The father is Jesus and the Holy Spirit is Jesus , they believe that but they say it’s the same essence, so trinitarians believe that when they are talking to the Father they know is Jesus essence
@@tonosegovia9797 Trinity doesn’t believe that. That’s oneness.
@@alexanderh2345 no, go and search they believe The father the Son and the Holy spirit Are the same Essence, the same God(essence), the same source manifested in Father son and Holy Spirit but each manifestation is different than the other , and they are eternally manifested, So at the end of the day they know if they are praying to the father they are praying to Jesus Crist Spirit
In Gen 1-2 God is presented in three ways. God in the beginning: the spirit of God moving over the waters; and then the LORD God in chap.2.
1. God.
2. The Spirit of God.
3. The LORD God.
I been looking to only Jesus position and I been liking to this study of the Old Testament, why is it that only Jesus doctrine is not the same as saying that the Father and the son is the same essence ? I been tempted to belive that the trinity is man made
When I read genesis 1 and 2, I've come to the conclusion there is indeed a trinity. In chapter one, God is presented, and then the Spririt of God, and then in chapter 2 the LORD God is the one who furnishes creation and interacts with Adam. So there are 3 types of God presented in chapter 1 and 2. I believe that Jesus Christ is actually the LORD God himself.
@ amen 🙏,
Your voice is like dr jack Kruse, relative of yours?
Rabbinic Judaism is not the same as OT Judaism. You cannot find the two powers in heaven line of thinking in the prophets and patriarchs of Genesis to Malachi.
Elohim applies to Christ par excellence. Elohim and Logos are the inter-language equivalents of the man Christ Jesus. No such thing as a plurality in God. Everything he said is so easily refutable. Just think of God as singularly one person who shows himself in different manifestations. Apply that line of thinking and watch how the whole Bible fits perfectly together with ZERO confusion.
Blessings to you in the name of Jesus!🙏
@@alexanderh2345 that's not true. You need to read the material from Jewish and Christian scholars like Alan Segal's "Two Powers in Heaven" and Andrei A. Orlov "the Glory of the Invisible God: Two Powers in Heaven". This is only two, there are more. The two powers is legitimate theology from the text.
The word Elohim is used of dead humans, angels and God. Perfect example is Psalm 82, now grab yourself a concordance and look up all the references from the old testament. That's what scholars do, they actually look it up and count.
The way you have described God is called modalism and it's not a defensible theological position if the scripture is to be considered inspired, I suggest you get a theology textbook and look that up too.
@@LastFellowship Saying there are two powers in heaven is blasphemy against God and exactly what Satan wants. He wanted to be a second power in heaven, equal with God, and God cast him down because of it. Unfortunately, many Christians have fallen for the oldest deception there is.
God is singularly one (Deut 6:4, 32:39, Isaiah 43:10-11, 44:8, Eph 4:5-6, Heb 1:3, and thousands more). Elohim is plural because it has in it the prophetic coming of Christ, and is therefore a reference to both deity and humanity. Elohim is the Word of God, hence it is used in the creation account and it is not until Genesis 2 when the narrative shifts to using Jehovah Elohim or “Lord God.” The significance being that there is God and his Word and they are not separable as your word is not separable from you. John picks up on this great truth and uses the term Logos to bring greater revelation about who God is. It was by the Logos that all was created just as Elohim is said to create all in the beginning (Gen 1:1). This Logos is Jesus, the Word made flesh, and inseparable from God himself for he is God himself. He is the Logos, the Elohim, Jehovah, the I AM, the Alpha and Omega…
The two powers false doctrine isn’t found in the Bible. That’s why Heiser and others have to go to rabbinic Judaism which is not inspired from God as the prophets were. To believe in more than one power in heaven is to have more than one god and no longer remain a monotheist.
You rail against modalism, but can you even properly explain what it is? Doubtful.
@@alexanderh2345 no it's not, you don't understand what blasphemy is.
The two powers is found in the bible, it's from the bible that the people write about it are trying to show you.
Please read a book written by a PhD peer reviewed scholar on this subject.
Modalism is pretty self explanatory, please once again - read a blooming book
@@LastFellowship You blaspheme God by calling him a plurality. Love how you sidestepped giving an explanation of modalism. You can’t is my guess. You’re in need of reading Scripture more carefully and dispelling with all of this philosophy that has turned a simple, yet profound truth into a a confusing heap of nonsense.
Is Jesus not enough for you? Why do you look for others when it is Christ alone who died for your sins?
@@alexanderh2345 no I don't.
Bye now, I don't debate people who try to have fights online over stupid points that have been settled over 1000 years ago. Go do something useful with your life.
Well, Judaism does not teach the trinity in Judaism. Thats enough for me. But if your the curious type and believe that people who do not believe in
judaism as it is taught in judaism, check out Rabbi Skobak and he will teach you about the teachings in Luke in the new testament, something that he does not believe in. I'm sure you will change your mind and believe in what he says about Luke rather what is taught by christians. Right....
@@promagnuman which Jewdaism? Have you read any 2nd temple literature? By the language you are using I can tell you don't really know what you're talking about.
I consider God, the Spirit of God, and the LORD God, who are presented in Gen. Chapter 1-2 as the trinity godhead.
Monotheism is s
The true way to go because Jesus shows himself to be God right in the first chapters of Genesis it was Jesus Christ and now you know why Michael's gone he was a false teacher. Did he know Christ? I hope he did but let me tell you something knowledge and interpretation of the scripture only comes from the Holy Spirit not what men think.
Yes I also got the same thing. Ive been battling with this for so long, and recently went back and read 1-2. Wrote it down many times, sat and pondered, found the supposed 1st English translation, way before king james... and I just know, for a fact, that Jesus is the LORD God, that is from beginning with his hand in the whole creation. Jesus it the one.. the only way, the truth, and the light.
Gen. 1. - God was in the beginning, the spirit of God then moved upon the water, and then the LORD God is introduced in Gen 2. To me that is who they are talking about with the passage, "Let us make man in our image."
Even giant in gen.6 was tyrant. And in old myth they would represent a big reputation and status and depict them as a giant for e.g. the three brothers, Kings of Spain, depicted as a three headed giant because they agreed with everything and it was as if they had one brain. So gen 6. Sounds like the sons of god, who were believers, fell from righteousness, when they took the daughters of men, who I believe to be unbelievers, as they chose who they liked, meaning they took free will away from the women and possibly raped them. Bringing in children that were of two different ideologies in their mind, and possibly a product of sinful sex, and thus jeopardizing their righteousness status.
Just my take... but It makes more sense to me. Even in old chronicles from 1500s state they dug up giants bones but the size of the bones were like 6-7 ft.. but they were enthusiastically saying they found a giant. We live along side giants now... so... nothing new under the sun, it's all about "perception," and I don't see the Angel's theory working at all, even though I previously subscribed to it.
How to hacķ the Word in peices to make the trinìty doctrine a Jewish belief and 1st century believers 3 in 1 god followers. God is the Father to whom Jesus prayed and by Whom Jesus was raised from the dead. Hear ÿe oh Israel, the LORD GOD IS ONE, (Not 3 in 1).
Not arguing, would love to see your 3 hr or multi session video to disprove this hacking of scripture. Grace and Peace.
Heretics really pretend that the only bible verse that exists in deut.6:4 😂😂😂
What I often see in cults, sects and isms that teach as it seems you believe is lack of respect and distortion of Yeshua=Jesus and other doctrine.
You are obviously not well studied in scripture and Jewish history. The triune nature of the Godhead is well documented and factual.
@@ahope4u2 You are obviously presumptuous. I have no disagreement with Father, Son and Spirit being one. My comment was in reply to @jamminwithjambo7729 that doesn't seem to agree and further believes that research and instruction are 'hacks' to teach something not in the Word and other documents. Hope that helps.