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Know The Bible's Teaching About Demons! (Michael Heiser)
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Demons. Many use the word, but we seem to use it in different ways. We use it metaphorically, as when we say, "He's wrestling with his demons" about characters facing inner conflict. But demons as actual, spiritual entities crop up in various religions (including Christianity and Hinduism), and even in popular entertainment (e.g. the film, "Paranormal Activity").
Within Christianity, attitudes toward demons vary by denomination. Some pay them practically no attention at all, whereas others find demons under every rock and focus lots of attention on binding demons, casting out demons, etc. And then of course, if you listened to Christian hip-hop in the 1990s, you can probably remember many a track about fighting and slaying demons (T-Bone's "Demon Executor," anyone?).
So, just what exactly are demons, really?
On this episode, my guest is Michael Heiser, and he's going to reveal the truth about what the Bible and history actually teaches about demons.
Michael S. Heiser is a scholar of the Bible and its ancient context. He earned his MA in Ancient HIstory from UPenn and his MA and PhD from University of Wisconsin- Madison (M.A., Ph.D., Hebrew Bible and Semitic Studies). He's taught biblical studies for over twenty years, he's worked as the Scholar-in-Residence at Logos Bible Software, and is currently Executive Director of the School of Theology at Celebration Church in Jacksonville, FL.
Dr. Heiser has written several best-selling books on The Unseen Realm, Angels, and topics like Enoch, the Watchers, and the Forgotten Mission of Jesus Christ. He has written a ton of other books, over 100 articles for Bible Study Magazine and several peer-reviewed articles in academic journals.
Dr. Heiser also hosts the Naked Bible Podcast and has a non-profit corporation, MIQLAT, which provides free translations of his biblical studies content in over twenty languages.
As you can see, Dr. Mike Heiser is the perfect person to bring on to talk about this topic, and he'll be discussing his book, Demons: What the Bible Really Says About the Powers of Darkness, with Think Institute Founder Joel Settecase.
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Dr. Heiser's teachings changed my life. I will be forever grateful. We lost a great man when he passed. Maybe I can shake his hand in heaven!
I learned a lot from him as well. -Joel
I was just thinking the same, ...maybe I will be able to have some leisurely conversations with him in the next life, although I guess would settle for a solid handshake, lol
The debunking of ancient aliens documentary introduced Mike Heiser to me. Talk about eye opening. I am grateful to have learned so much from him.
Many of us can say the same! Thanks for watching.
Inwiah inqoukdve dound him years ago instead of believing in that ancient alien crap.
DR Heiser connected many many dots for me and I'm sure many others. He'll be greatly missed. Pray for peace and comfort for his family 🙏🙏🙏
Thanks for watching and for your comment, James.
Yes Amen, May the Lord watch over them!
Amen to that @@sreed7637
I cried when you described God's plan. He's dazzling!
amen sister
I miss you heiser 😢
Pretty sure God has put this information available for the time we are living in . Knowing this will keep us informed and more likely not to be fooled by all of the things coming our way, very soon! Thank you God Jesus & Holy spirit! So very grateful that MH has brought all of this to those hungry for TRUTH❤
Grateful for all of Michael Heiser's phenomenal teachings. Thrilled that these treasures were recorded for people to enjoy again and again..moving forward.
I really miss this brother and amazing teacher... I'm a brazillian guy touched by his view and teaching.
Its refreshing to have Dr. Heiser help connect the dots and validate things for me. So many biblical scholars label demons as fallen angels. That never rang true for me. Dr. Heiser shed additional light on this. God Bless Dr. Heiser and all.
Dr. Heiser is indeed blessed today-He has entered into glory (he died this year).
I have been checking out a lot of MH lately. He is filling a bunch of holes for me. I have kind of been meandering since my mentor Chuck Missler passed. It is a Blessing to find a new teacher that addresses my weird leanings of study.
Chuck middle had some great stuff. I loved his genesis and revelation teaching. I’ve been watching MH for a couple months and he’s solid.
Old episodes of Canary Cry Radio & View from the Bunker have this stuff on all day. Fun to listen to.
i agree.. i've also found dante fortson helpful, especially his studies on noah's sons and nephelim.. chuck missler mentioned dante's nephelim work and dante often cites missler as kickstarting his investigations when he was a teenager
@@aarontaylor231 also
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Heiser is amazing. you need to read his books.
Dr Mike was the man..rip my good sir
Thanks for watching and commenting. He was a godly man who taught us all a lot.
Exceptionally good interview! So sad this scholar has left us. Treasure his books, podcasts and these wonderful questions and answers. Thank you for the video.
Thanks for watching and for your comment!
Michael was a awesome intelligent teacher and I have followed him also God bless his family. It was a great loss when he passed away.
Indeed. I didn't always agree with him, but I always, always respected what he had to say. He asked questions that didn't even occur to many of us-and answered questions that we thought we'd never get answers to.
@@TheThinkInstitute can you elaborate on any of the points that you didn’t agree with him on? I’m just wondering if I can guess what you’re gonna say, or if it might also be something that I didn’t agree with.
Sure. The big one that comes to mind is who God is speaking to, when He says "Let us make man in our likeness and our image." I think that's a trinitarian passage. Heiser thought it was a divine council passage.
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@@TheThinkInstitute thanks for the reply, you had me curious!
@@JoeBuck-uc3bl You got it man!
After a lifetime of understanding that ‘ idols ‘ and ‘ false gods ‘ were just made up by men you come to the realization that the idols were real beings or fashioned after real beings
Crazy to consider, right?
Not all idols are demonic entities or representations thereof. Some are depicted as being inert: "Their idols are silver and gold, the work of human hands. They have mouths, but do not speak; eyes, but do not see." Psalm 115:4-5 (ESV), which is also a common recurring theme in Isaiah. And Jeremiah expands on that saying: "Their idols are like scarecrows in a cucumber field, and they cannot speak; they have to be carried, for they cannot walk. Do not be afraid of them, for they cannot do evil, neither is it in them to do good. [...] for his images are false, and there is no breath in them. They are worthless, a work of delusion;" Jeremiah 10:4,14b-15a (ESV).
No, not all, but some. Representations of a real being that had god-like abilities. Most likely from Nephilim.
@@michaelszczys8316 Or more likely, the Nephilim were their offspring.
The idols, even the inert ones are made with the hope that the elohim will come and inhabit the idol. The final step of idol creation for many of the larger, ceremonial idols (statue sized opposed to the smaller home altar idols) was to "open the mouth" so the spirit will be able to effectively permeate the figure, it will be able to draw breath, etc.
Great interview! Mike Heiser makes me think big time. His approach to the text and his attention to details regarding the weird and obscure has aided in quenching my thirst for the same. What I love most about Dr. Heiser is that the text is king not tradition or systems.
Thanks! Glad you found it helpful
Our Lord is a God of purpose!
Michael is in Heaven greeting all those who are going Home after their lives were transformed by his faithfulness in using the gifts and opportunities YAHWEH granted him on this planet. I’m quite sure his ministries will be impacting to the end of the Millennium.
Wow so many good things in this interview!!
Thanks Dr Heiser!!
One of my favorite Deuteronomy 32 worldview videos. Have rewatched several times. I especially love the part where he talks about being on the Pagan Podcast Network 😂
This is a-m-a-z-i-n-g!!!
Mike sent my husband and me (Presbyterian minister:) a free signed copy of The Unseen Realm. Despite our theological difference with respect to soteriology, we loved this wonderful man’s scholarship!
THIS MAN IS A GIFT! I HOPE YOU KNOW THIS!
I just wrote a short comment here and it disappeared. So I’m trying once more.
Thanks for this presentation. Your own great enthusiasm combined with the Dr’s authoritative knowledge has motivated me to learn more about the Bible.. and how life on earth has ‘evolved’. :-)
Thank you. A TH-cam that I don’t feel as if I wasted my time on it this evening! :-)
This is a great interview!
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Clarified my FOG of
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Western Christianity Biblical Comprhension
BLESSINGS 🙏🏆
Thanks for watching; I'm glad you liked it.
Can you clarify-what is FOG?
Just happened onto this and spent more time than I ave to listen. Thank you for well researched info, very intellectual yet easy to understand. You just enlisted your newest subscriber & got a 👍🏽
Sweet! Thanks for watching, subscribing and commenting to let me know. We're putting out tons of cool biblical worldview and apologetics stuff to help you on your spiritual journey, all the time. I hope you find it helpful.
this is SO enlightening! Thank you so much Think Institute for sharing this video to the public! I'm a dedicated believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, Emmanuel, God come down to us humans! Dr. Heiser explains God's history with His creation so plainly from biblical Scripture and the ancient texts of that time. It's fascinating but also reverentially awesome knowledge about our Triune God and the Kingdom that God is establishing with His redeemed "holy ones"! Glory to God!
I've listened to loads of Dr Heiser's interviews and got his book Unseen Realm and I'm reading Reversing Hermon. Regarding Moses and the first five books, what seems to have been ignored, was that Moses spoke face to face with Yahweh for at least 40 years, so there would've been plenty of input from the Most High to write things down. That being said, there are schools of thought that support that books and writings were passed down from Noah etc and I'm open to that happening
1 Enoch.
How do WE know he spoke to Yah for 40 years.. sounds like you think it was on a day to day basis
@nopark70 Exodus 33:11-16 is just one of the places where it shows that Moses habitually spoke face to face to Yahweh. Numbers 12:8 is another example that shows their habitual relationship. If you read the Scriptures with the openness to see that it was daily or at least very very regularly, you'll see tons of examples - some explicit and some more subtle
@QDS2 I agree that one shouldn't make assumptions, but I stand by what I said. Exodus 33 shows that Moses habitually spoke with YHWH at the Tent of Meeting and says He spoke face to face as with a friend (and Joshua). Friends see each other regularly, and that seems to be what the writers were trying to communicate. Emphasising it in Numbers 12 leads one to believe that this relationship was different from YHWH's relationship with other humans. Like I said, if not daily, then at the very least VERY regularly. And why WOULDN'T it be the case? We've inherited for years that no one can see God, so we look at the Scriptures from our preconceptions and struggle with the idea of Yahweh having regular communication with Moses or any other character in the Bible. If we accept it could happen, it makes the Bible come alive in my opinion and points towards Yahshua being the exact image and expression of the Father.
Dr Heiser has changed a lot of my views on this sort of thing... John Walton has been pretty influential for me too.
@@5Gen What do you think?
@@5Gen Ok.
Chuck missler is very good as well.
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@@DerrickthePineconeyes thank you
Water Gem of a show too bad the host ultimately wanted to get rid of the guest. Especially now knowing that we no longer have Dr Heiser with us anymore. This is probably the single best interview I've ever heard or seen of Dr heiser because of the host knowledge.
Thanks very much. I don't remember wanting to get rid of him. What makes you say that?
Hi. What makes you think the Host wanted to get rid of Dr. Heiser? The interview was over 3 hrs long!
Over 2 hrs long! Can't edit on Brave!
Great questions for Dr Heiser. Loved the dialogue. Well done.
Love hearing Ancient Aliens debunked. So many humans are caught up in these distractions.
Indeed!
Outstanding! Thank you for sharing the knowledge of God!
The book of Daniel starts with I, Daniel! Whether we have proof or not, God allowed it to be included in His Word as written by Daniel
Genuine feedback. I don’t subscribe to channels that have a band streaming across the screen during an interview. This format, where you have two small windows showing you two taking turns, with a busy backdrop and a band streaming is SENSORY OVERLOAD for some viewers who desperately want to watch it but can’t.
Maybe advertise your wares twice and leave it at that instead of constantly shoving it down our throats and taking away from the message of the guest.
Thanks for the feedback. I can't change it now, but have you tried pulling the window down, so the scrolling banner is below the bottom of the screen? That could help.
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No I can’t do that on my device. But thank you for responding. I made this suggestion to bring awareness. There are a lot more people in this world that suffer from sensory overload that one might realise.
It also comes across as desperate. Why do you need to advertise during the entire episode? That’s just overkill. And not really thinking of your audience. It takes away from the message of the guest. And not really a done thing anymore, because the serious TH-camrs are a bit more switched on.
Not to mention that if you were to put caps on, you’d have trouble reading them over the banner.
@@PurpleGold. Yes, this video is one of my older ones. I don't do that much or at all anymore. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for watching.
@@TheThinkInstitute
Thank you for understanding. I’ve bookmarked this video for when I have a chance to put my noice cancelling headphones on and listen to it as I catch-up on some house work. And thank you for having Michael Heiser on. I haven’t seen him cover this specific topic.
You know when I listen, I don’t watch it, I just lay down and listen.😊
I have been reading Unseen Realm ; but I’ve also seen his 4- part Seminar videos on this book which is really good too. I highly recommend his book, “What Does God Want?” That touched my heart and soul! It is an excellent book to start with when you start reading Mike’s books.
I've gotta give props for the T-Bone reference! Much love, God bless!
God bless you!
It seems that MSH accomplished his mission and God called him home early for him to receive his reward! Really a great teacher and “dot connector”. All praises to the triune God!
All praises to God indeed! Thanks for watching and commenting.
Really enjoyed this, I watched the whole thing
You, my friend, are a person of exquisite taste. :)
Thanks for watching and commenting
God bless Micheal Heiser and his work while on this earth. . I look forward to meeting him in the heavenly host of God.
I learned a lot from him too. Thanks for your comment.
Just found this channel; very excited to binge on these vids!!
Love your enthusiasm, this was so interesting to me and Dr. Heiser knows so much, that combined together, you’ve both inspired me to learn more.
Thank you! :-)
Thanks for the encouragement. All glory to God!
@@TheThinkInstitute Heiser is an amazing, knowledgeable expositor, although, at times he assumes even more than he knows and then oversteps he proper boundaries in a few areas.
So informative teaching. Please bring us more.
Mike it’s the trickster !!!!god bless you Michael ✝️🙏🙏🙏🙏🧑💻
Really miss Dr. Michael Heiser, I know he had a lot more to give as far as books and teaching as he had talked about on his podcast at least a total of ideas for another 20 books..
that's a sober reminder-we never know how much time the Lord has left for us.
This book, The Apocalypse of Ezra (2nd Esdras) explains why some books although inspired were never meant to be in the cannon………..
took and drank, and when I drank it, my heart overflowed with discernment, my breast poured forth wisdom, and my
* spirit retained memory. 4'My mouth was opened and was not shut. 42But the Most High gave understanding to the five men, and they wrote the things that were dictated in order, in written signs that they knew not. I sat there forty days, 43but they wrote by day, and at night did eat bread alone. I, however, dictated by day, and at night was not silent. 4In forty days ninety-four books were written.
45 When the forty days were completed, the Most High said to me, "The first twenty-four books that you have written, make public, that those who are worthy, and those who are not, may read them; but keep the seventy separate and only allow the wise men of your people to study them.
47 For they contain the veins of understanding, the fountains of wisdom, and the stream of knowledge.
will be watching/listening to this today..
My thoughts on angels having relationship with humans sexually is that it's supernatural. It doesn't have to be physical. Like Mike says the incarnation is supernatural. Explain that!!. No one can. That's why we call it faith right?. 😎
Faith is trust, but it doesn't have to be unexplainable. That being said, I don't have to understand *how* something works in order to believe *that* it works.
Gravity comes to mind.
1:54:00 why Dr Michael Heiser is awesome!
I appreciate this so much. I don’t know the interviewer But he seems great, but absolutely unprepared for how all encompassing and meta-this man’s work is and maybe dropped a little confidence after he realized “Demons” is a tiny offshoot.🤠
I'd only read the one book by Heiser, but I was aware of the broader worldview implications of his positions. For the most part, I believe I share them.
Thanks for watching, and for the encouraging words. I hope you find more of our content engaging and educational. You'd probably like my interview with Patrick Schreiner on the Resurrection, which deals with some similar subject matter.
I'm loving the pertinence and dynamics. Nice one brother Joel; liked and subbed *before!...* you even mentioned it :D
This is Good stuff. Dr. Michael Heiser is my favorite Biblical teacher. His lectures on Deuteronomy 32 The Devine Council World View blew our minds. The Unseen Rhelm of course.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
"We have 10 more minutes."
An hour later....
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Love MH! Great information! ❤
Haha, thanks for watching and I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Still one of my favorite interviews with the late Dr Heiser. So much great free-flow. Thank you to both of you.
That's encouraging; thanks! We've got some other videos on our channel where we expand on and build upon the late Dr. Heiser's work regarding the spiritual realm. Let me know if you'd like a couple links, or feel free to just search.
@@TheThinkInstitute Links would be wonderful, though I am a "that one looks interesting too, let me make a playlist" kind of gal. 😉
Thanks again!
Sure-here’s a playlist. th-cam.com/play/PLfSpUNYR5qo4V5Aq1UMKDa2VsViqk1K6Z.html&si=CvVuBHvKFPvQCs8v
Yes that was an excellent interview ( thank you ) !!! .
Thanks paul coffey. Glad you enjoyed it!
Non-canonical books can have true stuff in them. An auto repair manuel has mostly true stuff in it even though it is not canonical. Canonical prophets and apostles can quote true stuff from a non-canonical source without canonizing the book. Paul quoted (and then reinterpreted) ancient pagen philosophers and poets, but that doesn't make them prophets of God or their works canonical.
I miss Mike! I wish he was here. I hope he was able to watch the UAP whistle-blower testimony from Heaven! 😉
I laughed so hard at Dr. Heiser's story of "Being Paul" to a Pagan 1:47:37
Best interviewer of Dr. Heiser ever. Thank you so much! Like I keep telling ppl who think our English Bible is corrupt and "mistranslated"....You really believe the Creator of the Universe CANNOT write a Book in English? The most widespread version being the KJV! Small minds. Dr. Heiser humbly relates the best perception and conceptual overview of how the One True Elohim works through corrupt men, whose "thoughts are ONLY EVIL CONTINUALLY!" The one question that I would have liked to have answered, is the supernatural events of DREAMS AND VISIONS that get recorded in Scripture. Are these directly from our Heavenly Father's downloads or are they also downloads from the Elohim, Sons of God. RIP Michael, gone way too soon! Funny we judge some men righteous and some wicked, but the Scripture in Genesis and Isaiah, and Paul, classes us all as corrupt thinkers. NOT ONE IS RIGHTEOUS!....NO NOT ONE! Love the statement of Paul in 1Cor 8:2..."If any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth NOTHING YET as we ought to know." Neither have I heard Dr. Heiser ever comment on "Guardian Angels" that guard people individually and personally. The principle of high knowledge is this: too much knowledge and not in the correct order that humans can understand or are ready to comprehend ....it is "confusion of religion"...."Babylon" and leads to false worship. All the "Trees" in the Garden represented advance angel knowledge and "trees" symbolize "leaders". We have TMI and not in the right order....and NOT "meat in due season"! "EVERY Tree was good for food!" Genesis 2:9 ...even the Tree of Knowledge of Life and Death [Good and Evil] but THAT Tree was NOT GOOD food for humans yet until they had eaten from the Tree of Life FIRST. "Of ALL the Trees ye may FREELY EAT...but the One of way advanced Knowledge of DEATH [MESSIAH ON THE CROSS] will COST YOU SOMETHING! Interesting that the root word for "beguiled" in Hebrew means "to lend on interest". So THAT "Tree" of the Highest Knowledge lent her advanced knowledge with the thought that after she had comprehended it she would have to return it to the Highest Elohim with more advanced knowledge added to It. Thus Messiah gave the parable of the talents which is the exact same HIGH thought and principle. Adam had tilled the grape Vine to grow up on that Tree of Knowledge and that was the fruit that Eve actually partook of....not the fig that fell off as she plucked those grapes which were legal for her to eat. "Woman, God has not told YOU that you could eat from ANY of these Trees YET!" Woman, it is not good for you to have high Elohim knowledge at this time. So now we have EVERY MAN under their own vine and fig tree, instead of "under The Vine/Christ and The Fig Tree/Israel". In Torah, only the men were required to go 3 times a year and eat the feasts...same principle for Eve in the Garden...she had to start out eating what Adam tilled from the ground.
I love how you dig into a matter and ask, "By what mechanism does this work." I DO THAT and it is nice to see someone else do it.
So often, Christians just dismiss something as happening or did happen, but don't ask HOW it happened.
Thanks, Bill.
But now we know Joshua probably had access to a proto Hebrew script because of the Mt Ebal lead curse recently found suggesting a written language available to Moses. He had 40 years to write it all down so what's the big deal?
Dr Heiser was a wonderful bible scholar. What I do not understand that I hear his voice and I see the face of Joel and he is talking.
Somehow the audio got un-synced
So, God's firstborn sons (first created) envied his second born sons.
1:07:18 I love when Dr. Heiser puts the host in his place on Calvinism, politely. Look how excited the host is trying to tell Heiser why he chose Calvinism. 😂
I couldn't find anyone who would talk about Enoch, nephilim, giants or demons. Plus they didn't want to discuss all the pagan gods ,there are many. Fear was in their eyes just bringing ut up. 😢
Thanks for watching and commenting.
"there not going to be like us..." said Dr. Heiser, yet in Sacred Scripture it says "...let us make man in our image and after our likeness..." interesting.
I disagree with Dr Heiser on this point. I don't think mankind is made in the image of angels. Just God.
impressive that you remembered his dogs name and the backstory
Thanks for watching and commenting
I once asked a person who worshiped Thore, if they knew my God was their god's God. They said, "Yes, of course."
Wow
Mike is quite brilliant with the Bible...
What about the Epic Of Gilgamesh...
Same story different names...Which one is older??Im sure theres more people that are stuck....
The Bible’s account is more accurate. The shape of the boat in Gilgamesh gives that away. A cube would not be seaworthy.
Good interview. Maybe try not to cut anyone off so much so they can finish their thought.
Yes. The interruptions are jarring at times. Dr. Heiser was such a wealth of information. I can listen to him for hours
The Hebrew language was lost at Babel, then Yahuah taught Abraham Hebrew again so he could understand the scriptures.
25 And the Lord God said: 'Open his mouth and his ears, that he may hear and speak with his mouth, with the language which has been revealed'; for it had ceased from the mouths of all the children of
men from the day of the overthrow (of Babel). 26 And I opened his mouth, and his ears and his lips, and I began to speak with him in Hebrew in the tongue of the creation. 27 And he took the books of his fathers, and these were written in Hebrew, and he transcribed them, and he began from henceforth to study them, and I made known to him that which he could
not (understand), and he studied them during the six rainy months. (Jubilees 12:19-27)
Jubilees is not Holy Scripture.
People were corrupt when the curse was put on them after disobeying God and eating the fruit; not because they were taught by nephilim. Always shoe horning Enoch in somewhere. It’s such a pity to be that derailed from the point of the Bible as a whole.
It seems that man doesn't need any help to be evil. He can do all that quite well on his own without any help from the dark side . It's the word of God that pulls you back from going over that edge, I would like to think
Its always been strange to me that Heiswr never seemed to entertain the idea that these ancient deities and sons of god were phenomonological personifications that were being used by Biblical authors to explain their experiences with and around the supernatural.
Maybe it's because that's not how the authors of Scripture (and its divine author) intended it.
@TheThinkInstitute ... except Heiser readily accepted phenomonology, personification, idiom, figures of speech, metaphor etc... in other parts of Scripture. I always found it interesting that he landed on the Gen 6 story to actully, literally being about the apkallu.
Heiser often spoke of inspiration and expiration of scripture in terms of divine-human partnership that was routinely accomplished by way of accomodation.
The thing i never could grasp with Heiser's presentation of this material was why and how he expected Gen 6 to be an exception where the Biblical authors were referencing and appropriating extra-biblical material, but also it is literally true... Marduk is a real being somewhere in charge of a cosmological geographical area according to his allotment from Yahweh... that's all well and fine if you just want to insist on it, but it seems more reasonable that this was phenomicological language that was personifying a spiritual reality the author believes to exist.
The way these ancients concieved of the spiritual realm can still express and contain Holy Spirit truth about how things ARE without Azazel actually being a consuming, death-goat of the wilderness.
27:29 all demons aren't fallen angels?
33:32 why is the world a mess
1. Read Gen 3 for what it is: the snake represents a supernatural being when there's a talking animal. It's not a zoology lesson but to get a point across. You're in a garden so there's bound to be snakes or it was a serpentine thing. This was for egyptian imagery
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Manipulation is witchcraft
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2:22:00 why are we reading post-biblical literature for interpreting?
2:26:23
On the origin of the watchers 2010
Writing as a response: use the imagery / code of the community and re-sign it.
1:36:40 speak truth to lies because people act unconscience with what they believe.
It also shouldn't be gainsaid that part of the serpent seed story relates to a particular 'beast of the field' who was cursed to go on its belly and eat the dust of the earth. while Jude explicitly says that 'Enoch...prophesied'. not just that certain writings state this, he then relates a very similar quote to the early portion of the first Book of Enoch. We must have enough faith to believe apostles and true prophets spoke and often wrote from divine inspiration as the Word of God tells us in no uncertain terms.
NO demons are fallen angels! They are the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim (children of the sons of God-fallen angels, if you will-and the daughters of men).
There is other intelligent evil out there.
So I love John MacArthur too and he says Psalm 82 is about the judges? I agree with Dr. Heiser, I'm just wondering why MacArthur wouldn't know this? I mean he is also a Calvinist haha so I guess none of us have it right?🤪
You can be right about Calvinism and wrong about the gods!
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We grow from grace to grace. By faith we put on the salvation of Jesus. By faith we accept the will of the Father as our will. We can confess, "I am the righteousness of God in Christ,Jesus." We are called, also, to holiness. "Be ye holy for I am holy." David would have called these quickenings or gifts of "the benefactor." With these we are also given eyes and ears with which to know God. We love God with all our heart, soul and mind. John reveals something more. He speaks of "the good part." No one is righteous or holy of himself. Neither can anyone be good of himself. But if you take the journey, you will come full cycle to the place where you follow Jesus example. Putting on the garb of the lowest household servant, you prepare to be the footwashing servant. You humble yourself and take the lowest place. This is a faith that knows the Goodness of our Father has forgiven us even before we err. We have the ability to become "sons of God" by an all-encompassing faith. When we can forgive a spouse for infidelity before it happens, that would be like God's love. When Jesus said, "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone," he was pointing out that zisrael had no "sons of God" qualified to sit on the council. We ought to be able to bring our grievances to the church. The ought to be a council of men and women who know both the judgment and the forever mercy of our good God. These should be "sons of god" as John uses the term. These also have an ear to hear the "still small voice" which is God's voice breathed in the ear. (Some hear thunder while others hear God speak.)
Of course I find Dr Hieser highly fascinating
This is an amazing find. The Apostle Paul was actually prophesied in the "Testament of Benjamin".
Which is part of the Testament of the Patriarchs, which is dated 250-150bc, found in Qumran. Paul was an apostle to the gentiles and was of the tribe of Benjamin.... the words below are from Benjamin.
11. Prophecy of the Apostle Paul
*"I will no longer be called a ravening wolf on account of your ravages, but a worker of the Lord, distributing food to them that work what is good. One will rise up from my seed in the latter times, beloved of the Lord, hearing His voice on the earth, enlightening with new knowledge all the Gentiles, bursting in on Israel for salvation with the light of knowledge, and tearing it away from them like a wolf, and giving it to the synagogue of the Gentiles. Until the consummation of the ages hee will be in the synagogues of the Gentiles, and among their rulers, as a strain of music in the mouth of all; and he will be inscribed in the holy books, both his work and his word, and he will be a chosen one of God forever; and because of him my father Jacob instructed me, saying, 'He will fill up that which lacks from your tribe.""
Listen to this then tell me Jubilees isn’t scripture
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I would think the different ancient cultures got their Bible information from Enoch....he was the first man to write 🙏🇱🇷♥️
If animals then can't talk to humans ❤eebal or telepathically, then why was eve not at all surprised or not show fear etc? The bible clearly declared this to belong to four footed animals but was more clever than any of them
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I have often wondered what would have happened, had Adam asked to be able to stay.
I would like an analysis of the rise of atheism after the first century and the loss of the authority of the gods? Maybe there is no correlation but what would Dr Heiser think this rise of atheism attributed to?
Eve had to go to the border between the heavenly garden where they had conversation with God and the field. Like the child who turns 12, she walked dangerously close to the danger. She demonstrates a weakness. Did satan confuse her with this word ממנה or was this a telephone game gone wrong. She had the idea that good and evil either should not be consumed by the small portion (mene) of the hand(ful,) OR, it was not to be touched with the hand. We see this at first passover in not dividing the lamb and being required to consume the whole lamb. So, what was this redundant word. I suspect this is why manna means "what is it."
Interesting ideas. Actually Eve met the serpent in the midst of the garden.
Wrong answer kemosabe, the nephalim are a result of the line of Seth mixing with the line of Cain. Adam was called the son of God and his Godly descendants are the sons of God. The lesson here is like the song says "you've got to keep it separated"
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Love Dr. Heiser! Thank you for the show.. kinda weird to name your doggies after psychopath murderers but you do wear illuminati shirts haha so whatever haha 😀 we learn a lot from you, thank you.
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Regarding the biblical writers and pagan myths, not only did the Hebrew prophets read books, but the pagans would have once knew the biblical God and the biblical account of creation. Did Homer get the idea of Achilles dying by a wound to his vulnerable heel from Moses and the Seed of the woman's being bitten on his heel (and then crushing the head of the serpent with his wounded heel)? Yes and no. He got it from the same source that Moses got it, yet without the superintending providence of God preserving the account, and/or giving the account anew to Moses. If the bible is true (it is), then all the pagan nations once knew essentially the Genesis account and progressively perverted it in different ways over time in their different locations. This pagan nation forgetting one detail while remembering another and twisting it, while another pagan nation remembering and garbling a different detail and forgetting still another.
Is the Author of Genesis doing anti-pagan polemics? Yes. But he is not doing anti-pagan polemics by making up details that aren't historical, he is correcting garbled pagan mythology by remaking it historical. He is not "monotheizing" unrelated polytheistic myths, he is "RE-monotheizing" and "de-polytheizing" those "polytheized" pagan myths which were once historical truth. Everyone seems to forget that, according to the bible, all the nations of mankind once new exactly what happened in the first half of Genesis because their forefathers lived it and certainly passed the narrative down to them at least in verbal form. All of the nations knew Noah. All of them descended from him. Babel is the event that caused there to be more than one distinct pagan mythical belief system over time.
Thus, the Hebrews did not copy ancient pagan myths and the ancient pagans did not copy Hebrew biblical history. They both got it originally from the same source, Noah, who was a prophet (God spoke to him). Although God through Moses (who was also a prophet) certainly corrected the version the Hebrews had through Terah and Abraham who, after all, were pagans themselves. Perhaps Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who were also prophets according to scripture ("...do my prophets no harm..."), also corrected, through the Holy Spirit, the Hebrew version that came down to them through Terah.
I get why sinful unbelievers would make the slanderous charge of plagiarism against the bible. What I don't get is why believers would pick up that same slander and parrot it themselves. Yes, the Hebrew prophets read pagan books, but they didn't plagiarize them - they corrected them by the Spirit of Prophecy. THAT, is why pagan myths and biblical history have similarities. To confess otherwise is to deny the historicity of the biblical narrative and therefore deny divine authorship of scripture and the authority thereof.
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Connected to what they were talking about 31:50 , I think that if God created us in his image then I could be that God also created supernatural beings in their image( animals)
What is the difference between demons and fallen angels?
Dr Heiser doesn't necessarily refer to fallen "gods" as "angels." However, if you watch this episode it should clear up the terminology for you.
michael heiser, living or non living example of the more you know, the more you don't know.
Interesting take, thanks.
Why do Catholic exorcists say that demons have revealed themselves to be fallen angel's and not the spirits of Dead nephilim?
Demons do lie
Heiser literally just makes stuff up about God wanting a family and already having a divine family.
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Calvanists seem to only get excited talking about calvinism, and totally derail any conversation to focus on a dumb doctrine that doesn’t affect anything.
Love Heiser though, hes a real scholar. Good interview 🤙🏻
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Sorry I totally disagree about his take on the fall of Satan… Jesus said that he saw him fall like lightning… That was before the book of Revelation which was written which to me is obviously preadamic… Another text is the king of Tyre which I will not take time to go into detail
When Jesus said He saw Satan fall like lightning, it was after his apostles had returned from their evangelistic journey.
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God did want a family. A perfect God who is love, wants to have children of perfect love. One problem. Loves is freely given, freely received and freely returned. Where God exists there is only him, i.e. no choice. Thus, if God creates children in his presence, they will have no choice but to love him. God decides to create a place where a second choice can exist. (NOTE, God exists outside of time. The spirit world has time. Angels were created and march through time towards an eventual judgment.) God knows everything that will happen because he is outside of time. Nothing comes as a surprise to God. When God creates the universe, he is also creating the spirit world as it is a dimension of creation. He creates the angels. That is why they are called the sons of God. Everyone created directly by Gods hands is called a son of God including Adam. Then God sits back and waits, perhaps billions of years until one of his creation's angelic beings heart turns to sin. This leads to a second choice in creation. There is God, and there is Lucifer. NOW, God gets to his purpose. He creates humankind knowing fully in advance that they would fall, Why? He wants children who will CHOOSE to love him. In the OT he demonstrates his nature, i.e. holiness. Through Christ he demonstrates his love.
Humans were never meant to live forever in human form. The human form is merely the egg that is on a short journey that has the potential to become spiritually alive. Every human has the potential but lacks one thing. They must be inseminated with God. Like the inseminated egg attaches to the mother and becomes an embryo which grows into the fetus slowly taking on the image and likeness of its parents, the spiritually inseminated human attaches to God and becomes conformed to the image of Christ.
Then, in a traumatic moment, the baby is pushed out of this world into the presence of the father. The spiritual child is born.
These children of God are coheirs with Christ. Hebrews 1:2 says that Christ will inherit everything: every galaxy, every star, every planet, every sub atomic particle, every angel. And the children will share in the inheritance. God created EVERYTHING for one purpose: TO HAVE CHILDREN IN HIS PRESENCE THAT HE COULD LOVE, AND THAT THEY WOULD ACCEPT HIS LOVE, AND CHOOSE TO LOVE HIM BACK. A God of perfect love would settle for nothing less.
Two things. 1. The goal of the satans is not to create chaos, but to once again dilute humanity into transhuman, which they nearly accomplished but for Noah. 2. Enoch, the one we refer to as 1 Enoch, was not only found among the dead sea scrolls, but was actually quoted by James as well as Christ, so non canonized, but clearly of great value to the early church, as were the other apocryphal books.
Enoch was quoted by Jude and alluded to by Peter.
Where did James and Jesus quote from Enoch?
I immediately knew the name “Moriarty” from an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation
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I love that show and was not happy when it stopped being free to stream.
I like how much he loves his dogs. I'm the same way
Thanks for watching and commenting. Dr. Heiser surely loved his dogs!