Скажите пожалуйста, почему они толком руками друг друга не бьют и почему удары не отбивают?? Я видел как у некоторых в спаррингах руки как молнии летают, с этими что не так??
Karate is a wonderful, profound, devastating martial art but I have to wonder what is the point of this sort of kumite. It looks to be semi-contact, yet there are no head strikes and only a very limited range of techniques is being used. What is being demonstrated here? What sort of fights are won by slapping people in the chest and tugging gently at their clothes?
Yes, to the uninformed eye it does look like a lot of random, low effort blows with little impact. Then you go and do a few hours at a dojo where training is hard. Every move with the arm is throwing knuckle or fore-arm at the opponent's bones. Every kick and punch has a snapping motion at the end of it that will sting terribly even if it doesn't drop you to the floor. After 8 months you will be expected to absorb a strike without flinching or crying out. Then you can really get in as deep as you want and start to understand why people don't just walk into kyokushin competitions very often. It's true pure kyokushin karateka don't have good head movement, even though western boxing has been incorporated into its footwork since the 1970s. The number of strikers that have kyokushin in their background is very high. It provides a very stable basis for any striking technique.
Kyokushin is full contact, not semi contact. No head punches are allowed anymore, because before they were restricted kyokushin competitors would come out of their matches looking like they went through a meat grinder. However full contact punches are allowed to the body, and full contact kicks and knees are allowed to the legs, body and face. Its probably one of the most effective styles of karate out there, since it is as close to real bareknuckle fighting as you can get without violating japanese sensibilities. Besides, plenty of amazing kickboxers (Andy Hug, Peter Smit, Francisco Filho) transitioned to fighting with head punches quite easily after fighting in kyokushin tournaments for most of their lives, and full contact head punching is allowed in gloved kyokushin.
Que malo el combate, he visto por video muchos combates de kyokushin y realmente no me explico como después de 5 o más años de entrenamiento llegan solo usar golpes sin sentido, faltos de táctica, estrategia y técnica, el único que dignifica al kyokushin es Kenji Midori, el es lejos el mejor exponente de esta arte marcial, poseedor y dominador de una técnica exquisita, uso de variedad de recursos con pies y manos, táctico, decodificador, preciso, eficiente, verdaderamente muestra al kyokushin como un arte.
Hay muchas cosas que no rstan nien en nuestro estilo sin embargo defiendo.que.no se han mostrado todo el potencial y sean dejado afuera a muchos nuenos te sujiero que averigues el caso de los Antonios mestros ticcos como Roberto . Mc R oberto Cascsnte Mario Thomas entre otro Digo que edos no son los mejores en ese torneo
Hay karatekas como Midori, Matsui (de la vieja escuela) que luchaban con efiicacia y mucha clase. Por supuesto que hay peleas mejores que otras, pero creo que la técnica pierde cuando se arriesga poco y se va a lo seguro. Yo practico Kyokushinkai y en clase o entrenamiento hago cosas que luego no uso en torneos como ushiro mawashi geri por ejemplo. Estos muchachos son muy buenos pero no usan todo su arsenal.
Couldn't agree more. You cannot compete without using hands to the head in the times of MMA, Kudo, etc. You also cannot send people competing without basic foot work skills that just stand one against the other (without trying to create angles) and pound until one of them falls (or stops). It is just not attractive enough as you have observed. This also makes the kyokushin look incomplete as a martial art (which it is not as a martial art - the sport rules cripple it). Just to clarify - I am a kyokushin practitioner and I speak from experience.
@RedviewThat is not entirely the case with kyokushin. If you practice it as a martial art (rather than a sport, within its rules), there are no limitations. You have analogue of every punch and kick in the mma (and I mean EVERY, including elbows). The only thing really missing is the grappling and for MMA, you should specially train that. For example, take a look of the classic kihon geiko (kyokushin basics) and you will see, that even in its basic form (no advanced techniques), kyokushin has it all. All they have to do is to integrate it into the sport rules. That is why I support the statement that it is these type of competitions that are obsolete and boring, not the martial art. Please, note the difference.
As an ex kyokushin amateur fighter and practitioner this style sucks for real combat As you are taking away the most important aspect of fighting, strikes to the head It creats a totally unrealistic fighting style The conditioning of kyokushin is awesome But the competition style is crap. Theres always fighters who are the exception Like filho who is a genetic freak
can you understand that its a final in a massive tournament, they would have had many fights leading to this one.. its unbelievable that they can still stand and fight.
I had the opportunity to practice under the supervision of Sensei Mikio Ueda. Strength, speed, flexibility, jumping ability...
I´m always curious of the "colleagues" of the Kyokushin style of Karate! I myself am a Shotokan Karate practitioner!
Привет! Я из России. Занимаюсь Кекусинкай. В 1988-1990 годах занимался Шотокан. Как дела?
i trained kyokushin with sensei kakamoto floatsey, a true legend oss!!
Is there an age limit to participate in tournaments for Kyokushinkai?
The referee is a kyokushin legend, Francisco Filho. I imagine him thinking: what a boring fight!
Скажите пожалуйста, почему они толком руками друг друга не бьют и почему удары не отбивают?? Я видел как у некоторых в спаррингах руки как молнии летают, с этими что не так??
若い上田のスタミナ勝ちですね。
Blows look brutal.
А вот в японских мультфильмах совсем не так. Там гораздо круче и эпичнее. Что за дела? Нас обманывают
Karate is a wonderful, profound, devastating martial art but I have to wonder what is the point of this sort of kumite. It looks to be semi-contact, yet there are no head strikes and only a very limited range of techniques is being used.
What is being demonstrated here? What sort of fights are won by slapping people in the chest and tugging gently at their clothes?
Yes, to the uninformed eye it does look like a lot of random, low effort blows with little impact. Then you go and do a few hours at a dojo where training is hard. Every move with the arm is throwing knuckle or fore-arm at the opponent's bones. Every kick and punch has a snapping motion at the end of it that will sting terribly even if it doesn't drop you to the floor. After 8 months you will be expected to absorb a strike without flinching or crying out. Then you can really get in as deep as you want and start to understand why people don't just walk into kyokushin competitions very often.
It's true pure kyokushin karateka don't have good head movement, even though western boxing has been incorporated into its footwork since the 1970s. The number of strikers that have kyokushin in their background is very high. It provides a very stable basis for any striking technique.
Head kicks are allowed
You can not punch to the face because over time it would cause a lot of bleeding, also it makes bouts last longer as you would imagine.
Kyokushin is full contact, not semi contact. No head punches are allowed anymore, because before they were restricted kyokushin competitors would come out of their matches looking like they went through a meat grinder. However full contact punches are allowed to the body, and full contact kicks and knees are allowed to the legs, body and face. Its probably one of the most effective styles of karate out there, since it is as close to real bareknuckle fighting as you can get without violating japanese sensibilities. Besides, plenty of amazing kickboxers (Andy Hug, Peter Smit, Francisco Filho) transitioned to fighting with head punches quite easily after fighting in kyokushin tournaments for most of their lives, and full contact head punching is allowed in gloved kyokushin.
@David Milner Go and try this semi-contact sport for a year:)
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Que malo el combate, he visto por video muchos combates de kyokushin y realmente no me explico como después de 5 o más años de entrenamiento llegan solo usar golpes sin sentido, faltos de táctica, estrategia y técnica, el único que dignifica al kyokushin es Kenji Midori, el es lejos el mejor exponente de esta arte marcial, poseedor y dominador de una técnica exquisita, uso de variedad de recursos con pies y manos, táctico, decodificador, preciso, eficiente, verdaderamente muestra al kyokushin como un arte.
Hay muchas cosas que no rstan nien en nuestro estilo sin embargo defiendo.que.no se han mostrado todo el potencial y sean dejado afuera a muchos nuenos te sujiero que averigues el caso de los Antonios mestros ticcos como Roberto . Mc R oberto Cascsnte Mario Thomas entre otro Digo que edos no son los mejores en ese torneo
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Hay karatekas como Midori, Matsui (de la vieja escuela) que luchaban con efiicacia y mucha clase. Por supuesto que hay peleas mejores que otras, pero creo que la técnica pierde cuando se arriesga poco y se va a lo seguro. Yo practico Kyokushinkai y en clase o entrenamiento hago cosas que luego no uso en torneos como ushiro mawashi geri por ejemplo. Estos muchachos son muy buenos pero no usan todo su arsenal.
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this type of competitions is obsolete and boring, they should adapt karate to these times and improve it and update it
Its all about striking with ur best power.....
Couldn't agree more. You cannot compete without using hands to the head in the times of MMA, Kudo, etc. You also cannot send people competing without basic foot work skills that just stand one against the other (without trying to create angles) and pound until one of them falls (or stops). It is just not attractive enough as you have observed. This also makes the kyokushin look incomplete as a martial art (which it is not as a martial art - the sport rules cripple it). Just to clarify - I am a kyokushin practitioner and I speak from experience.
@RedviewThat is not entirely the case with kyokushin. If you practice it as a martial art (rather than a sport, within its rules), there are no limitations. You have analogue of every punch and kick in the mma (and I mean EVERY, including elbows). The only thing really missing is the grappling and for MMA, you should specially train that. For example, take a look of the classic kihon geiko (kyokushin basics) and you will see, that even in its basic form (no advanced techniques), kyokushin has it all. All they have to do is to integrate it into the sport rules. That is why I support the statement that it is these type of competitions that are obsolete and boring, not the martial art. Please, note the difference.
As an ex kyokushin amateur fighter and practitioner this style sucks for real combat
As you are taking away the most important aspect of fighting, strikes to the head
It creats a totally unrealistic fighting style
The conditioning of kyokushin is awesome
But the competition style is crap.
Theres always fighters who are the exception
Like filho who is a genetic freak
can you understand that its a final in a massive tournament, they would have had many fights leading to this one.. its unbelievable that they can still stand and fight.
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佐々木みのり If it means more people know about kyokushin I'd call it a net gain
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Don't watch it then
So is fighting, apparently
Who cares lol