Hey Brotha! All of those are different Weak auras in the middle that I designed. There are some similiar ones online, but I hated how they looked and made my own / give them all out to twitch subs at twitch.tv/sarthe. My/my targets namesplates are Shadowed Unit Frames, very simple addon to set up. And targets I use KUI nameplates
I believe that it would be easier for some people to understand the weapon swing timer if you explained it how it actually works. The "extra attack" of Sword Spec (probably HoJ and windfury too, but I'm not 100% sure and HoJ is kinda funky with batching), actually FINISHES your CURRENT weapon swing. So if you have a 2 second swing, and you're 1.5 seconds into the swing/wait, and you proc sword spec because you used Sinister Strike, you actually are "saving" .5s. BUT, if you were to use it right after swinging, you'd "save" closer to 2 seconds, which is obviously way better. Basically, using sinister strike after you've already waited for your swing timer to be almost finished means you won't get as much benefit from the proc if indeed it does instantly finish the swing timer from 50% complete, vs 5% complete. I think this is a more correct and more intuitive explanation than saying your'e "resetting" your swing timer. You didn't "lose" time, you just didn't gain as much. Anyway, everyone can let me know if this makes sense and explains it clearly.
If I use the LIP trick my raid leader would prolly get a heartattack lol, I can hear him in the coms already. WATCH UR THREAT WATCH UR THREHAHDHAHEBDHCJFNEJCHS!!!!1!1!11!!!
Mouseover macros don't allow you to keep combo points on your main target. Any targeted damage or targeted effect on a secondary mob will reset your combo points from you main target. E.g. a mouseover kick or blind on a secondary target will make you lose all combo points on your main target.
Quick question about the 3rd tip talking about resetting your wep swing, at 9:36 in the video youre fighting the scorched guardian and you sinister strike to gain your 3rd and 4th combo point when your weapon swing is at like 80% completion, is this a mistake in the video ? Im just confused cuz this is literally what you are saying not to do xD maybe im missing something
Tbh 90% of the guilds cant afford for a good dps rogue to lip and vanish dropping just 6 seconds of threat because that way that rogue will be top1 in agro with cds later on in 20 or 30 seconds. This is only worth for super agro tanks and super fast kills on semihardcore guilds which is as i said not even the 10% of the cases
i actually have 1 small pr0 rogue tip for you, it's to do with your stealth bar. i highly recommend making your stealth bar exactly the same as your normal bar, and have your 'stealth only' abilities somewhere that is always available (out of stealth). This way when you vanish while spamming your sinister/backstab you will do the dmg ability you are wanting to do. Secondly when you stealth/vanish to do a stealth ability it will be immediately available to you instead of needing to wait for your bar to change. This little change helped me alot over the years of rogue. simply stealth bar and normal bar being the exact same, and stealth abilities on an upper bar. Love the content!!
The vanish while stealth ed is actually really good for dueling druid if both are stealthed esp if you consider that once you're fairy fired as a rogue you cant vanish anymore anyway
For tip #4, I'm not sure why you singled out gouge here. Using ANY ability on a secondary target will reset your combo points on the primary target. This includes kick, blind, sap, and any other ability you would want to put on a mouseover macro.
=) 2 years late.. he mentioned it bcause "any ability" doesnt make you loose combo points when you mouseover them. For the combogenerating ones it doesnt matter if you mouseover them or not bcause you will loose your points. Therefore he mentioned gauge
@@nikitamerkulov1081 Thanks! Was hoping if I scrolled through the comments long enough I'd be able to find someone show me one similiar without having to pay $5 to sub to his twitch lol
I remember using vanish on aoe's on bosses soooo much in tbc/wotlk. There hasn't really been much to use it on so far in classic so I haven't delved into it too much. Haven't tried chromag. Which breaths woudl you recommend trying it on, that wont be too bad if i screw up? I admit I am not clear how to vanish things properly as I am uncertain on its interaction with spell batching. I have had pretty great success in vanishing the ony landing fear though, so it bodes well!
Great videos, keep them coming. However, I need to know how to time the vanish to avoid a Nef fear or a Chromag breath. It was not clear to me what info you used to pop vanish on Chromag in the video. When do you pop vanish for it to be effective in these cases?
You want the ability to land immediately after the white swing, your input lag will affect exactly when that is but it is easy to be safe and use skills just after the swing timer resets
What is the best weapon enchants for sword rogues, is it double crusader or crusader/15+ agility? I read that on OH weapons with a speed of 2.0 or lower you benefit more with 15+ agility and OH weapons that are slower than 2.0 you benefit more with crusader. Is it any truth in this?
Regarding the Lip trick, ofc mob doesnt attack you when you have it Active, as soon you remove the "immune to melee" buff from Lip, you'll get aggro again.
The only time swing timers aren't relevant are if you are about to cap energy or have absolutely zero way of resetting your swing (alliance dagger spec with no HoJ for example)
Loving your vids. Quick question tho: Whats the point of the startattack macro for ambush? I've always just used it on backstab/SS which makes sense to me. Don't you risk your auto attack hitting before the ambush sometimes and breaking stealth and scuffing your ambush attempt? And you aren't really spamming ambush all that much so you will auto attack after you hit it anyways. Sorry if this is a dumb question! (I also bind my backstab and ambush to the same button)
Autoattacking will break stealth indeed, but if you got 20 energy when you vanish you don't want to miss out on the autoattacks in order to do one ambush over a backstab
Hey thx for the tips, one quesion tho is it rly worth it to stick with the 8/8 t2 part? Cause i did one full bwl with it and it did lik 2% of my damage so maybe 2 more hit is better?(t1 gloves and shoulders) thanks for ur answer and sorry for my english
at 11:19 where u talk about the mouseover macros u can actually see that u lose the CP on ur target when kicking the other target :P Doing anything at all to another target even with mouseovers resets ur CPs on main target in classic.
This is a great video. My concern about using all these techniques is...at what point does it go from being fun to being stressful and too much to focus on? Obviously everyone is different, but doesn't micro managing so many little things become tedious and pull you out of the experience?
practice it a bit against target dummies or duel with friends. a couple minutes here and there, good sleep, and it'll become muscle memory in no time. Then you get to enjoy a much more flowing gameplay. It's like playing an instrument, sure you can simply play 4 chords and get over with it, but the deeper you go the richer the feelings / feedback you get. As soon as it becomes muscle memory you don't have to think / micro manage it anymore, your body does it for you and you just get to enjoy better dps / cool moments / a flow of action from you character.
Good video, I did have one question on for the LIP trick on Vael specifically. I tried it last week, but using vanish so early in the fight caused me to have an insane amount of threat later in the fight and i nearly pulled aggro off the tank. Was this because my guild does not kill Vael fast enough or is there something I can do besides weaving in feints that can protect from wiping the raid?
Ok im watching pshero vids also and he can stealth from blind .. but stealth doesnt activate for me - he also does not untarget - how can he and others do this .. from blind - stealth - then sap
Great vids! I really wish you were streaming more so I could twitch sub to you and then get that beautiful UI you have. If I sub when you're not streaming can I still get the UI?
@@aigriculteur It certainly does feel that way, my biggest problem on vael isn't my ability to dps but the fact that I can build enough threat to pull the boss during the fight even after using vanish.
Also... you mention vanish and explain it piss poorly if the effect doesn't have a cast time it's pure luck otherwise you have to know how to time it to trigger the avoidance bug
Why does your camera have you facing away from the game play? Looks like you're looking off in to space. Your face should always look straight on, or inward to the video during a presentation. You don't see the broadcasters in the news, or sports, looking away to the side. Little tip for you in return for all the tips you've given!
Nice tips and tricks! What addon is that for the combo, enerygy, swing, hp interface? Looks very clean! Do you mind sharing?
Hey Brotha! All of those are different Weak auras in the middle that I designed. There are some similiar ones online, but I hated how they looked and made my own / give them all out to twitch subs at twitch.tv/sarthe. My/my targets namesplates are Shadowed Unit Frames, very simple addon to set up. And targets I use KUI nameplates
@@Sarthetv This is awesome. Can u share the weak aura code?
@@Jorrywoodmen He said, if you sub to his twitch, he will.
Hey brotha - I just subbed with twitch prime. How can I access the WA you use? TIA
I believe that it would be easier for some people to understand the weapon swing timer if you explained it how it actually works. The "extra attack" of Sword Spec (probably HoJ and windfury too, but I'm not 100% sure and HoJ is kinda funky with batching), actually FINISHES your CURRENT weapon swing. So if you have a 2 second swing, and you're 1.5 seconds into the swing/wait, and you proc sword spec because you used Sinister Strike, you actually are "saving" .5s. BUT, if you were to use it right after swinging, you'd "save" closer to 2 seconds, which is obviously way better. Basically, using sinister strike after you've already waited for your swing timer to be almost finished means you won't get as much benefit from the proc if indeed it does instantly finish the swing timer from 50% complete, vs 5% complete. I think this is a more correct and more intuitive explanation than saying your'e "resetting" your swing timer. You didn't "lose" time, you just didn't gain as much. Anyway, everyone can let me know if this makes sense and explains it clearly.
If I use the LIP trick my raid leader would prolly get a heartattack lol, I can hear him in the coms already. WATCH UR THREAT WATCH UR THREHAHDHAHEBDHCJFNEJCHS!!!!1!1!11!!!
DO IT EVERY TIME! Its worth it just to hear that reaction lol!
Threahghtyghfghytfgythyhrrrdggrdrggarrrrrrrggggg lol
Mouseover macros don't allow you to keep combo points on your main target. Any targeted damage or targeted effect on a secondary mob will reset your combo points from you main target. E.g. a mouseover kick or blind on a secondary target will make you lose all combo points on your main target.
0:53 Trick 1
5:31 Trick 2
7:11 Trick 3
10:06 Trick 4
11:54 Trick 5
Quick question about the 3rd tip talking about resetting your wep swing, at 9:36 in the video youre fighting the scorched guardian and you sinister strike to gain your 3rd and 4th combo point when your weapon swing is at like 80% completion, is this a mistake in the video ? Im just confused cuz this is literally what you are saying not to do xD maybe im missing something
This has me so confused on wtf we're suppose to do lol
this sounds like it is only a horse thing SS/BS don't reset swing timers this if its actually a thing it is only a WF thing
Tbh 90% of the guilds cant afford for a good dps rogue to lip and vanish dropping just 6 seconds of threat because that way that rogue will be top1 in agro with cds later on in 20 or 30 seconds. This is only worth for super agro tanks and super fast kills on semihardcore guilds which is as i said not even the 10% of the cases
i actually have 1 small pr0 rogue tip for you, it's to do with your stealth bar. i highly recommend making your stealth bar exactly the same as your normal bar, and have your 'stealth only' abilities somewhere that is always available (out of stealth). This way when you vanish while spamming your sinister/backstab you will do the dmg ability you are wanting to do. Secondly when you stealth/vanish to do a stealth ability it will be immediately available to you instead of needing to wait for your bar to change. This little change helped me alot over the years of rogue. simply stealth bar and normal bar being the exact same, and stealth abilities on an upper bar.
Love the content!!
bullshit
The vanish while stealth ed is actually really good for dueling druid if both are stealthed esp if you consider that once you're fairy fired as a rogue you cant vanish anymore anyway
For tip #4, I'm not sure why you singled out gouge here. Using ANY ability on a secondary target will reset your combo points on the primary target. This includes kick, blind, sap, and any other ability you would want to put on a mouseover macro.
=) 2 years late.. he mentioned it bcause "any ability" doesnt make you loose combo points when you mouseover them. For the combogenerating ones it doesnt matter if you mouseover them or not bcause you will loose your points. Therefore he mentioned gauge
Just started a rogue on SoM this is a great vid!
That energy/CP counter and attacktimer looks sweet. Where can i get that?
I rly need to know the same thing, but i can't find them :(
yeah for real i want that so bad
Go download weak aura's and use this it's Just the same hè only changed the colours lol wago.io/U6jOIaAbC so now you dont have to pay 5 dollars
@@nikitamerkulov1081 thanks man!
@@nikitamerkulov1081 Thanks! Was hoping if I scrolled through the comments long enough I'd be able to find someone show me one similiar without having to pay $5 to sub to his twitch lol
nice tips, did not know the improved stealth on vanish was that powerful against other stealthed rogues
I remember using vanish on aoe's on bosses soooo much in tbc/wotlk. There hasn't really been much to use it on so far in classic so I haven't delved into it too much. Haven't tried chromag. Which breaths woudl you recommend trying it on, that wont be too bad if i screw up? I admit I am not clear how to vanish things properly as I am uncertain on its interaction with spell batching. I have had pretty great success in vanishing the ony landing fear though, so it bodes well!
Frostburn would be the one that most likely won’t get you killed if you fail
I dont understand #3. Do i use sinister strike (human combart sword) at the beginning or the end of the weapon swing timer?
Great videos, keep them coming. However, I need to know how to time the vanish to avoid a Nef fear or a Chromag breath. It was not clear to me what info you used to pop vanish on Chromag in the video. When do you pop vanish for it to be effective in these cases?
When chromaggus cast his breath. Get classiccastbars addon and you can see when he casts.
Agreed! I used cast bars so I know when he's doing it, but not sure what timing to vanish? I'm guessing right as he finishes it?
Great stuff as usual. I take advice reluctantly but your original research pushes this over the top.
What addon adds the 5 combo bars and energy bar underneath it
Weak aura, you have to import Sarthe’s rogue auras
Hi Sarthe, love the video. Can you share the WA for the LIP trick?
Hey, If i have 5 points on precision (combat talents) I just need 4% more in gear? Or I need 9% in gear too? To cap hit PVE
Yo do I need to watch for my weapon swing timer if I’m alliance and using hoj and daggers for high parses?
So, when do you use your skills to avoid losing auto swing? At like 90%?
You want the ability to land immediately after the white swing, your input lag will affect exactly when that is but it is easy to be safe and use skills just after the swing timer resets
@sarthe I just subbed to your Twitch account, how do I get your Weak Aura info for your UI?
Can i get your weakaura/addon for combo points?
i notice you had crusader as daggers rogue is it better than +5 on MH and +15 agi OH?
What is the best weapon enchants for sword rogues, is it double crusader or crusader/15+ agility? I read that on OH weapons with a speed of 2.0 or lower you benefit more with 15+ agility and OH weapons that are slower than 2.0 you benefit more with crusader. Is it any truth in this?
Regarding the Lip trick, ofc mob doesnt attack you when you have it Active, as soon you remove the "immune to melee" buff from Lip, you'll get aggro again.
Oh u watched the video aswell? Crazy dude
On 'short' fights (can you define this duration if relevant?), are you not bothering with the swing timer for example on Razergore?
The only time swing timers aren't relevant are if you are about to cap energy or have absolutely zero way of resetting your swing (alliance dagger spec with no HoJ for example)
does mouse over macro clear your current targets combo points? I remember it does
yes it does.
Loving your vids.
Quick question tho: Whats the point of the startattack macro for ambush? I've always just used it on backstab/SS which makes sense to me. Don't you risk your auto attack hitting before the ambush sometimes and breaking stealth and scuffing your ambush attempt? And you aren't really spamming ambush all that much so you will auto attack after you hit it anyways. Sorry if this is a dumb question! (I also bind my backstab and ambush to the same button)
Autoattacking will break stealth indeed, but if you got 20 energy when you vanish you don't want to miss out on the autoattacks in order to do one ambush over a backstab
@@ledski trueeee, makes sense, thanks!
Hey thx for the tips, one quesion tho is it rly worth it to stick with the 8/8 t2 part? Cause i did one full bwl with it and it did lik 2% of my damage so maybe 2 more hit is better?(t1 gloves and shoulders) thanks for ur answer and sorry for my english
at 11:19 where u talk about the mouseover macros u can actually see that u lose the CP on ur target when kicking the other target :P
Doing anything at all to another target even with mouseovers resets ur CPs on main target in classic.
was trying to figure this one
What is the timing on the Chromag vanish?
any one can tell me the name of his energy/combo point mod he is using ?
I suppose its weakaura, but its just his personal customization
This is a great video. My concern about using all these techniques is...at what point does it go from being fun to being stressful and too much to focus on? Obviously everyone is different, but doesn't micro managing so many little things become tedious and pull you out of the experience?
practice it a bit against target dummies or duel with friends. a couple minutes here and there, good sleep, and it'll become muscle memory in no time. Then you get to enjoy a much more flowing gameplay. It's like playing an instrument, sure you can simply play 4 chords and get over with it, but the deeper you go the richer the feelings / feedback you get. As soon as it becomes muscle memory you don't have to think / micro manage it anymore, your body does it for you and you just get to enjoy better dps / cool moments / a flow of action from you character.
where can I get proper mouse over macros? Idk why but its such a struggle finding ones that work.
What Addon do you use to see the LIP duration next to your Char frame?
It's a custom weak aura
I wish you played a warrior Sarthe!! You content is awesome and I eat it up... just wish I could utilize all your tips
Fun fact: In classic, mouseover blind drops your combo points. It shouldn't, but it does. feelsbadman.
Yeah, big misinformation here
mouse over kick does as well
@Antyla It should not. I mained Rogue in Vanilla. Had the same mouseover macro.
@@Rave.- it shouldn't and it's fixed in TBC but the system saw any hostile action through a mouse over as a target change so it dumped your points
Thx dude. Im playing rogue so much but only know about of blade flurry batching )
Good video, I did have one question on for the LIP trick on Vael specifically. I tried it last week, but using vanish so early in the fight caused me to have an insane amount of threat later in the fight and i nearly pulled aggro off the tank. Was this because my guild does not kill Vael fast enough or is there something I can do besides weaving in feints that can protect from wiping the raid?
Hello ! Same for me there. It's because your tanks are not making enough threats
Can u please share how to get that LIP pictogram up? Weakaura? If so, can u send me the code?
Is classic threat meter even being updated anymore?
Great vid Sarthe!
Thanks Mike my dude!!
Great info my man!
Great video, so with the WF, are you saying SS when WF procs? of Just always SS right at the start of swing timer?
RIGHT at the start my dude
Good one once again! great work m8!
Great video man, you got a new fan. Subscribed :)
What is spell batching ( askin for a friend ofc )
What your spec build look like sarthe? Your backstabs are doing crazy damage!
How can you backstab with swords?
Nice Tips, ty bro. Addon Special next pls. Looks very nice and clean 👍
great vid!
Hey Sarthe, im curious about dagger rogue gear. Do you think the ZG Zandalar chest will be better than Bloodfang for us?
no BF chest is way too strong. If anything you could use shoulder/bracer combo.
This is super helpful. Thanks a lot
when are you sharing the mousover commands :D could use them! great video!
Hi, Ty vm 4 all tricks, can u share your mouseover macros pls (i'd try do it, but failed =( )
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Thanks a lot man
This is what the class leaders should have taught me way before
Hey mate, thanks for the tips, always fun watching you.
Subscribed to your channel and couldn't find the WA Codes.
Help ? :D
Ok im watching pshero vids also and he can stealth from blind .. but stealth doesnt activate for me - he also does not untarget - how can he and others do this .. from blind - stealth - then sap
This is some SWEEET vid !!
Thanks a lot learn a lot !
You shouldn’t eviscerate on Vael as a dagger rogue, the crit on backstab with Wbuffs is more dps then wasting a global on an eviscerate.
Great vids! I really wish you were streaming more so I could twitch sub to you and then get that beautiful UI you have. If I sub when you're not streaming can I still get the UI?
Thank you for sharing your WAs, I use them and love them 😍
Top notch content! Keep up the amazing work. Thanks a bunch for this
I knew about all of these except the blade flurry and I still only have 97 in MC and 92 in BWL, feelsbadman..
Sometimes it's because of your guild/tank ! Kill timer and threat are pulling you back. Cherrs
@@aigriculteur It certainly does feel that way, my biggest problem on vael isn't my ability to dps but the fact that I can build enough threat to pull the boss during the fight even after using vanish.
I couldnt understand wepaon swing timer
Yeah he didn't say when we're suppose to swing or am I missing something? lol
@@baked_fa5 as my own understanding i guess need to use sinster/backstap when weapon swing timer is finished
how can i twitch prime i want in on that discord :D
twitch.tv/sarthe
@@Sarthetv that is 3 am for me :(
@@autistusmaximus8040 haha yea i can barely manage to make it to this guys stream as well lol.
I´m a warrior main but I still watch it... need to know your enemy they say xD
Sadly the doesn't matter if it's mouseover or not it resets your combo points.
Took a little bit of practice to time the swing resets while not hitting energy cap but this did help my dps. Much appreciated video
Sometimes vanish doesn’t work in pvp cause of batching
cool stuff!
Interesting that this popped up and you happen to be on my server. Also I'm a rogue. Nice tips.
Hi Sarthe - Subscribed with Twitch prime, how to get access to your discord pls :D
Whisper a moderater on this channel or him directly im sure one of em will hook you up with a link
@@balaambaca4514 cheers mate
1 min left to start watching :D
Hope it was worth the wait haha
Also... you mention vanish and explain it piss poorly if the effect doesn't have a cast time it's pure luck otherwise you have to know how to time it to trigger the avoidance bug
Awesome job Sarthe, love your videos. I’m a twitch prime subscriber, how do I get an invite to your discord?
you can even vanish and honorable kill. on last second right before death vanish and enemy gets no honor for kill xD
I dig the ui
just spent 30mn trying to work out my mouseover macros, but combo points does not remain in classic, bloody liar
telling people to sub to your twitch to get into your discord to get a link to your wow addon profile on a youtube video
lol. interesting
TIP #3 doesnt work on my end
Another banger
You can vanish the baron geddon bomb damage
Good shit
watch this on 0,25x speed
Question. This still a secret?
Your Number 3 is called, "Weaving Attacks."
i dont get 3rd one
Utilize utilize
11:31
You are still losing combo points ... so there is no point in actually using mouseover in classic. Just sayin ....
Is there someone like you just for hunters? 🤓
Why does your camera have you facing away from the game play? Looks like you're looking off in to space. Your face should always look straight on, or inward to the video during a presentation. You don't see the broadcasters in the news, or sports, looking away to the side. Little tip for you in return for all the tips you've given!
*VANISHES*
exact, right place.... lol.
DONT EVER PUT STARTATTACK ON AMBUSH WTF
PogU
Lol dps comes down to buffs... You liturly press sinister strike... 😴 Vanilla players are coping 😂