Rotary turns demonstration and explanation
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- I take you through my personal experience of what a short turn feels like and explain the movements I focus on. The channel can be supported here www.paypal.com/paypalme/skist...
This might be one of the most concise and precise 5 minutes of short radius turn explanation I have seen. Pure gold!
There we go Kyle! Thanks. Spread the word!!!
Who else wants to ski with Deb?
Thanks for making videos, I enjoy every one of them.
Ah, thank you!!!!! so happy you enjoy the videos. Maybe not as much as I enjoy making the videos. I love it!
I feel like I am for watching the video.
Deb is an excellent skier but I do have to point out that whoever is doing the camera work is equally as skilled. His or her ability to match Debs speed perfectly and rotate around her is pretty impressive.
Can't tell you how much it helps to hear the "feeling" you have as you make turns. Makes it so much clearer.
I like how she doesn't use jargon, she describes the body and what it's doing to turn
Great stuff
The photography is so incredibly smooth and steady, the cameras are so stabilized. Obviously the content is good also.
She is excellent, and super clear. I am a level 2 instructor and lead a women's coaching clinic.....she refreshes me and my focus for the coming season and really helps. She is on money w her explanations....especially what she is feeling is extremely helpful . !! THANK YOU DEB!!! C. lyons, Pa. Instructor
LOVE it. Thank you. glad you appreciate the video. Pass it along. All the best to you
My favorite demo. So much energy and enthusiasm. ...I don't believe when she .."tired".. amazing, can't stop watching it..
Please don't ever stop making video. We love them !!
Revisiting this vid almost a year later again still seems to give me NEW perspectives. Thanks again, Deb! Keep up the good work!
The most beautiful, smooth and elegant short radius turns I've ever seen on internet. Thanks for all your videos!
Smoothly done short radius turns and keep doing the videos for all.Thank you!!!
She is absolutely the BEST at explaining in layman's terms. THE BEST!
instablaster.
Deb Armstrong you are a great communicator. Love your videos with your focus on foot to foot skiing.
I’m a better skier because of Deb! Who else thumbs up her videos before even watching them? 👏🏻👍🏻
Very educational and informative, as always. Keep more videos coming up!
Love your advice, demos, and spirit!! Keep it up!
Love your work, the Under-10 instruction is amazing. Some of the clearest information available, keep it up. Cheers
Just love this one. I’ve watched it a dozen times. Really helps me get back into my skis.
Deb I am a member of PSIA - Eastern, Level II Alpine. Just posted this to the PSIA group. Have posted several of your videos as well. Listening to you is equal to taking a clinic with an examiner. I benefit from your videos and explanations. Thank you!!!
Thank you very much!!!! Glad you and relate my how I communicate skiing. Thanks for spreading the word also!!!
@@DebArmstrongSkiStrong Would love to take a clinic with you...many of my PSIA peers view your videos/
@@ilonabrandt-tom3293 A primary motivation for making the videos is for the instructor audience so I am very very happy that they have reached you and your peers!! maybe I will see you on the slopes one day. I would like that!
@@DebArmstrongSkiStrong Generally the women I talk to level two and three love your videos if you had a women’s clinic I would attend and so did many of my peers fly from the East to ski with you...
@@ilonabrandt-tom3293 ok. Good to know!!!!
I love your passion !!! Well done as usual!
Great video, one I will return to over and over. Thank you Deb.
Love this video!!! So many of my questions answered. ❤
I just love watching you ski.
The best coach! Cool turns!
You are the best coach ever !!!!!!
Another great video with amazing explanation.
Thank you Deb! You are the best!
Great video which clearly shows what you are doing. You take the possibility to show us a lot of relevant parts of the technique by doing the same practice over and over again in this video. Thank you!
In our local meet-up group, I envied one fellow who was a circuit skier/racer here in Quebec (Canada) and he'd go into the powder on the edge of an icy run and do just that! That pow rim/ribbon couldn't have been more than five feet wide. Boy did I envy him.
Fabulous - great style. Love traditional comments. Doesn’t turn like a robot ski instructor.
Nice . . . great demos and explanation !! :)
Deb, thank you so much for showing and explaining the rotary turns! This is exactly what I'm failing to do besides keeping my skis close together; thus, I look like a robot while doing my turns on the blue runs. I will for sure practice this coming Saturday at the Keystone Resort in Colorado.
I have subscribed to your channel! :)
Excellent video - really informative.
Short radius turns are my fav. Love the thigh burn by the end of the day. 💙❄️💙
Happy New Year Deb!!! Its that time of the year to relearn the important "Stuff". I am so glad you post these vids as they help me with proper technique. The best is to hear you in my head while I ski down a steep and get mad at myself because I didn't follow instruction perfectly...back to the top to try again and again. Love it! We are heading to Breckenridge and Keystone in February so I am getting ready and what better way than to enjoy your instructional videos! Thanks Deb...Stay Healthy and hope to see you on the slopes one day! Best, Jeff Greenwell
I have really struggled with short radius turns despite having skied for 10 years now. Hopefully I can use this knowledge during the next season! Awesome videos
I love your Videos - thank you very much. It helps me a lot.....
I like how you connected deep, complete turn shape as a result of a lot of separation.
I always learn so much....thanks Deb!
Your explanation is so good.
Love you, Deb!
Love the awesome shout out to how much you are using your feet!!! SWEET!
Great video!
Hay Deb , I am from Bosnia , you video and skii tips are amazing , helpful , you make a great job. Btw every weekend i skii in Bjelašnica , you were there about 1984 in olimpic game.
Hello❤❤❤😊😊😊 thank you so much for saying hello here. I love your home. All the best to you.🙏🙏
Love it!
Debbie is fantastic.A phenomenal skier, of course. She learned all she knows from Oprah. Really. Oprah IS the best skier ever, period.
After looking at your super videos me and my wife went to the Dolomites for a week, with new stiffer Head Raptor boots, Elan worldcup FIS skis, and your videos in mind, what could go wrong. NOTHING, it was my best ski experience ever so THANK YOU for your help.
(btw, where are you in this video)
Great teacher!
Wow. I think you’re the best in your explanation!
Thanks!
Thanks so much~!!
This one has been added to our phone, for viewing on the ride up the lift, and working on down the mountain.
Thanks!
Nice
This presentation of short radius turns reminds me of the CSIA's Reflective Learning approach to teaching.
SUPER ,SUPER SUPER !!!
You're really good! I wanna ski with you!
If you freeze the video at 4.05 minutes you will see a wedge entry this is the result of twisting the outside ski. This is not a parallel turn entry and not a high level short turn. Additionally the release by extension makes it difficult to release the skis efficiently. Extension movements pressure the skis and disconnect the person from the snow. If instead she flexed the outside leg and tipped the skis on edge starting with the inside skis she would have a parallel turn entry and have rounder short radius turn that lets the sidecut make the turn for her. Tipping the feet at the base of the kinetic chain causes secondary rotation of the femurs which results in improved turn shape.
I love feedback. Of course I have been an athlete my entire life so taking coaching feedback is the key to ones success. I went to the spot on the video you mention, minute 4:05. I am not seeing what you are referring to. sorry. I do not have have slow mo. maybe I could see what you are referring to that way. I smile at the idea that the turns at minute 4:05 are not parallel or high level turns. I am going slow, very little external force to help me out. I am generating all of the action through the active turning of my legs and feet, or put another way, very active rotary action. My foot to foot pressure management allows for early action and engagement at the top of the turn with what is becoming the new outside ski. the outcome I see are fluid turns that are short radius with a full and complete turn shape. In my view that essentially defines a short radius turn in this environment. Trying to see what you see. Do you by any chance have some video of the type of high level short turns that are done correctly in your view? I am very interested. This could lead to a fun conversation. Take care
Deb Armstrong , search Diana Rogers Short turns demonstrations. Her method uses a flexing transition to get out of turn and transfers balance to the uphill little toe edge. Engagement happens by tipping the new free foot to the little toe edge causing the uphill ski to roll over to the big toe edge and stay completely parallel. Notice in her turns she using the rebound energy to get into and out of her turns. When you flex to exit a turn you can use the energy stored in your stretched muscles and tendons to help you move in to the next turn. Extending at the end of the turn drains this energy away. I have been very impressed with your passion and instructional videos.
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@@jimfarina7013 While Diana Rogers is a fine skier my emphasis is different. In the short radius clip I watched of her skiing she has a tendency to lose ski snow contact which is a pressure management issue. Pressure management is my number one priority. and there are different ways to go about this. Retraction is one way but not my default approach for teaching.
We began this discussion upon a comment made in my short radius turn video emphasizing rotary. Diana is making a completely different type of short radius turn than the type of short radius turn I was emphasizing in my video. In essence You were comparing apples to oranges. Diana is using the sidecut of the ski to dictate the shape of her arc radius. I was not emphasizing this at all. I was making a turn much tighter that the radius of the ski offers. I could go on and on in detail but that gets lost in translation here. No disrespect to Diana but her skiing is not what I personally am after. different accents, flavors, approach.
Debbie, I respect that you have taken the time to reply to me. I hope one day we can ski a run together when I am out West skiing. My wife and I train at Arapahoe Basin and Snowmass in the winter when not are our home mountain in PA. Being a scientist by training I have been taught to learn from multiple sources to obtain knowledge and have used the same approach with skiing.
Smooth like a fish in water!!
Well, she was an Olympic skier.
Very good video. Are those some new Blizzard Firebird race skis you are making short turns on?
I like this video. But Deb, you are pivoting your skis here, not only steering them. But this is all right. There are good pivot based turns also as you demonstrate here. It makes it easier to get closer to the short turns and I think this is your point. The most important is that you have a good balance with a good steering of the skis.
Critically important: she is NOT locking out the knee (of the outside leg) at the finish of every turn.
Nice and smooth. However, it's on a green-blue run so it is quite easy to do it. Would be great if you could have an advanced video of short turns on black or even double black.
Three of the pitches I was on were black. And yes, a lot of the turns were on easy blue and some green. They key is making it all look the same through precise turning actions.
Excellent. When turning left do you slightly lift your outside boot ?
I wonder if there is a smart watch that can clock speed when cutting and turning ?
I SO need help with rotary turns, thanks!
Nice sking Deb
Deb...really enjoy watching all your videos. As a former collegiate athlete (javelin/volleyball), and as a late-starting skier (2nd season at age 50), I tend to ask a lot of questions. Here is a quick one for you. In rotary/steering, do you still maintain good fore/aft pressure? If so, is it just more of a slight, dynamic (relaxed) pressure vis-a-vis carving? Thank you. Ken
Yes, fore/aft pressure or balance, HUGE. i never think of relaxed when skiing. Purposeful for sure. steering/rotary will generate different pressure under foot compared to carving and bending the ski. but pressure foot to foot in rotary very much exists.
like personal insight
Thanks, Coach. When you say ”Right cuff, left cuff” are you referring to the feeling of the right cuff touching your lower leg in a left-hand turn when you press down on the pad of your right foot with the first metatarsal bone, tipping the boot and ski onto the inside (left) edge?
Yep
Consistency of stance width impressive
Are you using a drone to film this. It is very good. I can see where the snow comes off the ski.
no, no drone. Just a good skier and videographer
Thank you so much for your best tutor! By the way, what mountain was it? It is beautiful.
Stramboat
@@DebArmstrongSkiStrong I went to ski yesterday and thought about you. My turns were so much improved! Thank you so much!
Awww why did i discover Deb after my week's skiing is already over :( guess i've a few months of viewing before i get to return to the slopes next season :)
Hi Deb! Short question: that rotary-steering-movement (which you are mentioning at 2:00) is it more emphasized at the exit of the turn, right after the apex when you release the edges?
all the skills are blended of course. the way I emphasize in the video is pressure on the new turning foot first, very delicate, when I say pressure, I also mean balance with the ski, then steer through the turning phase, then establish the new turning foot with balance and some delicate pressure and begin steering again. good luck
Thanks for the videos deb! Which brand is your gloves?
Hestra
Hi Deb, nice video. I write from Italy. I'm advance skier. This is my favorite turn, short with a little drift at the end. I don't like carving at all costs. What type of ski do you recommend for this type of turn? Better a sl radius 13 or a gs radius 18? Sorry for my english and thank you
I’m not sure what to say to you. I like my SL radius ski but I like to also carve. I don’t think I have the answer for you
I love ur video. I am following all ur videos. In this video, you said you were steering not pivoting. What is the difference between Steering and pivoting?
You have nailed the problem with this particular instruction....steering, pivoting, rotary, edging, pressure, they are all very poor descriptors for students to understand. I guess though teaching big toe to big toe is specific and understandable because it is a movement not just a concept, like the others.
But teaching big toe to big toe as Deb does here is an awful teaching method. (As is steering, rotary, pivoting) We see the results all over the mountain, late edge sets zig zagging down the slope in an A Frame. To be honest Deb, you end up having the same appearance in this video. With your wider stance and over emphasis of getting on the big toe, you over pressure it and end up A Framing. The reality is it looks much like a golf cart.
Now you are an expert skier at your methodology so can get away with it but the average skier doing this is a terminal intermediate unless they spend dozens of days a year on snow. Most who take those methods to the steeps fail miserably.
My understanding is that steering is more about guiding or directing the edges of your skis. In contrast pivoting is more about the rotating on the flat of the ski bottoms. Deb Armstrong's video demonstrates steering.
Sometimes it helps me to sit in a swivel office chair with my feet on the floor. In my mind's eye I am holding a steering wheel and turning it to steer my feet, boots, and skis.
What do you mean by use more retraction than for-aft? Do you load/unload tips more by leg movement or by upper body movement?
always more leg movement for sure.
Deb, Nice turns. I am an advanced rec skier..............on Rossi 9's 205CM. (1995 vintage) I have pretty well mastered the "old style". I recently spent a whole day trying different pairs of shaped skis and felt like the intermediate skier i was yrs ago. Frustrated, any suggestions?
Yes, take a lesson from a ski pro at a ski school. They will show you the proper method to ski the newer equipment and if they are a good instructor will also suggest the proper size ski you should be skiing on. A 205CM is way too long for a modern shaped ski.
Another great lesson. I have a question regarding something you mention in the video.
"My rotary action, my turning action, coming from my knee down"
There are three leg joints. Hip, knee and ankle. The hip and ankle can rotate but the knee only moves in one plane. The knee doesn't allow the lower leg to rotate horizontally relative to the upper leg. I think...
Therefore all rotary action in the lower leg is coming from the ankle.
Is this correct?
Yep, getting a bit of turning out of the ankle, just as I get a bit of tipping out of the ankle
At 4:00 you mention that most people don't do a deep, complete turn shape in a short radius turn. Can you explain what that looks like vs what most people do? Is it just following the turn slightly uphill?
i think its the coolest that nobody else is on the ski run. maybe The hill closed the run for her video , She carries big stroke .
Earl morning skiing. The hill was open. Just up there early
Question: Is it valid to affirm that pressure when carving must be located on the heels?
no. watch this video. I hope it helps
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Deb, are you shins constantly up against the front of the boot from turn to turn? Do they shift at all or you have full ankle lock?
Never ankle lock. Check out my short turn and rotary video and my stroking the ski video.
Im wondering where we can reserve a training lesson from you
Steamboat Springs ski area.
Mid day, fresh cord, empty mountain. What parallel universe is that?
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I like this video. Lots of repitition I am going to try this on the groomers
What is the minimum mph you are traveling in order to do those short radius turns, (10-15 mph) in the upper part of the trail here you were traveling slower yet you were cutting and turning well.
not sure TB. not fast however. my legs are extremely active turning.
Sometimes the backside of my outer ski breaks/slides out when turning. What causes this or what am I doing wrong? Too much weight on the backside of the ski?
upper body rotation could be happening.
@@DebArmstrongSkiStrong great and thanks for your help
I think you're right, upper body movement will cause this.
I appreciate your approach of describing what your body is feeling as you ski. I've always contended that feel is what expert skiing is all about. Feel of how the skis interact with the snow. Feel about how your body alignment and muscular motion enables you to control how the skis interact with the ever-changing surface under them. I'm always disappointed when an instructor performs a demonstration or concocts a technical explanation that seems to assume that the skis' edges and sidecut don't exist and that pressure happens within the ski boot instead of along the ski surface. You of all people, with your Olympic racing career, years of teaching, and great communication skills should rise above this.
The rotary motion you advocate is one of the major technical flaws that much of ski instruction embeds in the way most people ski. Combine that with a boot alignment A-frame and you have a lifetime skidder. Turning is about engaging the ski's edge with the snow and controlling the edge angle and pressure along the full length of the ski and between the two skis to create the radius and dynamic balance you seek. It's no different for someone with 50 years of skiing under their belt like me or a Marcel Hirscher--- he is just light years better at it!
At the risk of being insulting, please take a look at how a polished technical skier like Reilly ( www.reillymcglashan.com/) or even 70 year old Harold Harb execute short turns, and then compare it to your short turn demonstration. They flow between turns instead of linking a series of partly edged heel pushes and up/down motions.
Richard your post is spot on. Herding can effect the thinking of even the most advance of intellect. It is nice to see another skier that can break away from the herd & understands active rotary is not good skiing. Keep up the independent thinking & continuous tipping :)
Hey Deb, what is the difference between steering and pivoting?
A pivot all of the direction change occurs in one moment. Steering is direction change over the distance of the entire turn.
Does that rotary come from the hip and leg shaft???
the rotary does not come from the hip. Not sure what you are referring to with the leg shaft. rotary comes out of the legs. and I showed more rotary action out of the lower leg and into ankle joint.
What a lovely slope to do that, where is it?
Steamboat springs, CO
@@DebArmstrongSkiStrong I'm on my way :-)
I'm doing this with my foot (1:56) and I can barely go past 45 degrees before my hips start firing like crazy. The max I can go is about 75 degrees without skis.
What size ski do you use ? 148 ?
I am on a 165 in this video
Hey Deb - how about a new mogul video?
It looks like two foot slalom in iceskating
Are you skidding or carving here?
I would say neither. Steering a turn as the ski tip and ski tail do now follow the same path, the ski tail travels outside of where the ski tip traveled.....
Deb Armstrong ...a little bit of tail-swish, which is to be expected with the relatively low edge angle.
Where r u skiing?
Steamboat Springs
Deb your boot set up is slightly on the soft side which causes you to steer your skis more
I am an athletic 55 year old who understands carving and steering and has the skill to pick and choose. The times I choose to carve is when I can maintain a carve with my current strength. The only times I carve is on moderate blue runs. I dont have the strength to carve on steeps any longer so I choose to steer. I bend the ski just fine when I choose to do so. I do not like to make compromised turns which is why I pick and choose my moments. I am a different skier than when I was racing on the world cup.
@@DebArmstrongSkiStrong Your right a strong set up is more dangerous. (soft set up knees closer together feet further apart, strong set up knees further apart skis closer together)
Should have said above your set up is less dangerous on the soft side then saying your right a strong set up is more dangerous as you never made mention of a strong set up being dangerous.