I like these videos where the tank can still run and fire it's main gun: interesting and most likely rare. That bit of the Egyptians using M4's with AMX13 turrets was surprising. Those probably had better rate of fire than the T55.
they did have better rate of fire than the T55, if they mantained the autoloaders as they should have, which they didn't and thus the only advantage of the AMX 13's turret was nullified
The closeup shots while driving ... explains why things with big guns have an external brace to clamp the gun tube down for a road march, that turret had an alarming amount of sideward wobble.
After much time and editing we finally got Pt2 of the M50 video. With the new year ahead of us I hope we are able to go out to Battlefield Vegas again and other locations to film more episodes! What vehicle would you like for us to cover next? -FixItInPost
I can only imagine the internal temperature while trying to film this. It was 120F that week. I remember because I ended up car shopping that very Friday.
10:20 Careful there, notion that Panther's Kwk42 wasn't the best one ever and haven't served well into the end of 20th century on various AMX-13 derivatives can and WILL trigger some people;) Especially in 17 pounder vs 7.5cm Kwk42 debate.
The only downside is that, for safety reasons, you can't fire the tank's main gun from inside the turret. They, instead, have you fire it via lanyard from outside of the tank. They also don't techinically fire true live rounds, because of NFA regulations they, instead, shoot solid projectiles with no explosives of any kind inside of them. But, this still does quite the number on regular, unarmored, cars though.
@@Riceball01 lots of tanks and anti-tank guns used solid armor piercing projectiles. Especially the 76mm and 90mm AT guns. So it's not necessarily wrong for them to be using them.
One reason the autoloading turret was not considered was that once the 12 rounds in the loading mechanism were used up, the design of the turret, you had to reload the loader from outside of the turret. This offers some problems in combat. Also, replacing the Sherman turret with the autoloading turret was apparently a pretty complex operation.
It's probably abit awkward for the crew of Battlefield Vegas when Chieftain sits down in the driver seat and they say "okay let me show you how to drive this thing".
They probably check out people with tanks experience on a regular basis. If you have done training before, you get used to training people of all backgrounds. I was a new CFI (Certificated Flight Instructor) with 250 hours flying time and would check out military or airline pilots with thousands of hours to fly Cessnas and Pipers.
Thanks Nick. Interesting and informative indeed. It's nice to see the insides of a still "in use" tank. The thing with a lot of your museum tanks - is that since the vehicle isn't in use any more - a lot of the interior has been stripped out. Also, thanks for the bit about the gun not actually being a direct copy of the Panther's gun. I was one of those people that had read that it was. One of the things about Israel is that pretty much everyone of age is in the military if they do a call up. In most nations you do not have their best and brightest in the military - but - in Israel because everyone is in it - you do. This has led to situations where the Israeli's had pulled off things that others might not. There was a battle from the 6 Day War we were war gaming - where the Israeli's with AMX-13's had taken out an Egyptian Unit with Soviet Tanks (iirc). When we tried that in the war game - the guys controlling the Egyptian tanks were as smart as the guys with the AMX-13's and ... the AMX-13's got slaughtered. .
Obviously not real, if for no other reason than the fact that the cameraman, who was obviously filming from directly behind the gun, not only was not immediately crushed to death or even maimed, but didn't even flinch. I seriously doubt that would be the case if he had accidentally left a round in the breech and fired it off. Not only would I be extremely disappointed in Moran for putting his own and his cameraman's life in danger by his negligence in not clearing the gun, but I would be very surprised at the laxity of the staff that allowed him to take live rounds into the tank without carefully controlling the situation, making sure everyone is well clear, the gun is pointed in a safe direction and the turret is cleared out _before_ it is possible to fire the gun.
@@masterDevis Why would you see the breech move? The camera switches to outside the tank as it fires. Then it switches back to the inside. It would have slammed back and cycled forward before the camera ever showed the inside again, so I don't see why you would expect to see it move. Have you never actually seen a gun firing? it takes less than half a second to cycle. Although it should be immediately obvious that wasn't real just at a glance. They would have been far more freaked out, there would be some smoke, hot case on the floor, and the cameraman standing behind the gun would be dead or seriously injured.
Thanks Battlefield Vegas! I hope to visit soon. Oh, and this was the best Part Two of Inside The Chieftain's Hatch ever WOT and Chieftain. Well done. Great.
You all say so, yet it obviously wasn't a problem, because they used these tanks for year, and I doubt they did that when it was regularly maiming the commanders when they tried to use the gun. So STFU already. it isn't funny.
Good presentation. I wonder what happened to the M4A1 that was at Ft. Lewis Washington back in 1971 when I took basic there. It was outside the main exchange building with the bottom emergency hatch missing I went in it several times as it was a good place to hide and read on Sundays.
It's not surprising that the Israelis were not too worried about carrying as much ammunition. They were generally operating with _much_ shorter supply lines than the Sherman was originally intended for.
When I saw the tank fire it reminded me of a guy who managed to keep a jagdpanther in good enough order to even fire the main cannon. Makes me question if old tanks have a process of reactivation even from age. Since a lot of these Shermans are still world war II originals with new engines and guns still hoofing it.
Every vehicle can be fixed, especially simpler ones, if keep in correct storage clean the carburator, check few things and every old engine will fire up in the year 3000
If the hull is intact and not totally corroded beyond hope, you can resurrect any tank. IF you can find the parts to fit on it to basically rebuild it from scratch. Which is extremely expensive and difficult, and good luck finding most of the parts. You will need to have many of them scratch built if you want it to be authentic. And good luck with the harder components. Where do you find a spare German WWII tank engine, or parts to build one? That kind of thing can't be built from scratch. So in most cases unless it is in quite good condition, it is not worth trying to fix it, it would be prohibitively expensive and difficult. You can always cobble together something that looks roughly like the original by find ways to bolt in a new engine and transmission, making new suspension or repairing the old one, putting some paint on it, etc. Like the BT-7 Moran shows on his channel, which they pulled out of a swamp and got running...but only by cutting out the firewall and installing some modern diesel engine in the crew compartment. You can't get an engine for a BT tank any more. If you find one in good shape, it will still take work, but you can often get it running again with some work and money. It always is an issue of whether you can find enough money, but the better the shape it is in (and the less rare it is) the easier and cheaper it will be.
@@gillespriod5509 If it is stored correctly there is little to fix. I didn't understand that to be the question. that would be "Is there any limit to how old a tank can be an still be made into a driver". What he asked is if there is a 'process of reactivation from age". that entirely depends on whether it was stored correctly and carefully or not.
So by the time the vehicles had made it to chile, they had been equipped with some random engine type, then swapped for Continental, then the cummins, then the detroit. So some vehicles had seen the same engine type twice, and some had started out with the radial and then gone on to use each of the 4 engine types available. If this doesnt say something about the quality of US mass production and standardsation at the time the vehicles were prodsuced I don't know what would.
They can be bought. Generally in pretty dire condition. Be prepared for an expensive, years-long restoration project. @RavenousElf yeah, not likely. Armies have been trying that for more than a century, and the furthest anyone has gotten are the infamous "jack in the box' Russian tanks we're seeing in the Ukraine. Automation has created a huge vulnerability - a great carousel of highly vulnerable, explosive, ammunition sitting directly under the turret. Oh, and maintaining and operating a tank is a manpower-intensive job, requiring lots of hard physical labor. You *want* a crew.
@@TacoSallust There's also the Chilean M-60 Sherman armed with 60mm HVMS gun firing APFSDS shells. The gun found on AUBL 74. Additionally, those M-60s were made from 3rd hand M-50 Shermans from the Israelis. Other than Shermans, Chile also has M24 Chaffee tanks modified with the same 60mm gun.
10:20 Careful there, notion that Panther's Kwk42 wasn't the best one ever and haven't served well into the end of 20th century on various AMX-13 derivatives can and WILL trigger some people;) Especially in 17 pounder vs 7.5cm Kwk42 debate.
Why are you driving without the hatch pin installed? Good way to get permanent headaches. Saw many soldiers injured in various AVs when the pin was omitted from its proper position
I find so much enjoyment watching you actually driving and playing tanker. My favorite tank is a M-3 Lee because of my last name and a Stuart m-5. CHEERS 🍻
"They found that if they deleted the bow gunners position on five tanks, they could man a whole other tank." Took the worlds militaries 4 or 5 decades to get that one straight. They sure didn't seem to mind the big bullseye weak spot in what is supposed to be the thickest armour... And yes, I know most of the time tanks are fighting infantry in field fortifications, the bullseye works a well for a RPG as anything.
It goes much further than that. A tank platoon in the IDF consists of only three tanks, not four as in the US Army. A tank battalion has 36 tanks and an armored brigade has 111 tanks. A platoon commander has only one platoon sergeant to assist him.
you overestimate the accuracy of tank cannons and RPG's There is a reason they generally shoot center mass. epecially in those times. Also the bowgunner was the first thing that could lay fire on an infantry poking it's head out if it was in the front. if the turret was turned then both the cannon and coax needed precious seconds to turn before suppressing.
There is actually a document found on the logistics and armament core of IDF, in which they tell the story of the m50 the decision to build it, the names of the engineers that went to france to learn from the french and design the tank...it's really interesting actually so there information about the tank..it's just hidden hah
So if you know about it,and know how to get to it,would it be worth it to you to contact the Chieftain himself and let him know ? I doubt he is literate in Hebrew,or is it in English ? I do believe he would like to be informed.
@@TheChieftainsHatch I was thinking that tracer fire could be used as a sort of an azimuth to help with acquiring a line of sight faster. You being an active tanker didn't use it so it wasn't sop. Thanks
Why would it? It is a totally different round with a totally different trajectory. Even the British when they used spotting rifles uses a .50cal, because it is a lot bigger and heavier and longer ranged, closer to a main gun, and they used special ballistically matched ammo for the gun. A 7.62 has a pitiful range compared to a cannon. They sight the guns in on a firing range so when you put the crosshairs on a target, it hits that target. The only part you need help with is knowing how far away it is, and a 7.62mm isn't going to help with that.
I can still see a generation of American ordinance engineers beating their heads on their desks for not thinking of that bolted on mantlet extender as a way of getting a larger gun in the existing turrets.. thats the major chunk of 'so simple it has to be genius' design element here. Ditto for the folks who shoehorned the 17pdr into the firefly seeing this for the first time with a 'why didnt WE think of that??'
Extending the main gun's pivot point that far forward may have had alternate issues with elevation and depression, especially since the breech's vertical swing would be greater in distance because of the longer lever arm. That could have complicated loading, as well as turret balance - adding this turret's counterweight might not have been feasible given the supposed weight limits of the previous engine.
@@JDCheng This is more or less the case. It’s why the T23/76mm turret with the trunnions mounted further forward was not preferred for the 17pr conversion, even if it did move the gun forward. Led to problems getting the ancillary bits like elevation gear to fit right,
@@rogersmith7396 As he also explains in great detail several attempts to upgun the original Sherman turret by the ordinance department that were initially approved by armor branch and then rejected when they found the turret too was too cramped. the 100 shermans with original turrets and 76s that got produced but never sent overseas as an example. all of those, and the firefly as well could probably have been made to work by that bolt on mantlet extension..even better , a bolt on mantlet kit would have allowed upgrades at the depot and field level.
@@arthurthedented the problem with a field-expedient bolt-on "mantlet kit" for the main gun would be twofold: one, as was mentioned, the change in geometry would mean the elevation linkages would need to be replaced as well. Two, just adding a larger gun - and one that's extended forward from the front of the turret - would imbalance the turret on its ring. That would cause significant stress on the turret traverse mechanism, especially on uneven ground like a turret-down or hull-down position behind a berm. Even in this video, the M50 has a significant counterweight added to the back of the turret. That's not something you can easily add in the field.
Oh come on, everyone knows that if someone comes up with some equipment, and another country comes up with something that is essentially similar in function and purpose, that the second nation "copied" the first. So since Germany came up with the first high-velocity 75mm, it follows that every high-velocity 75mm that followed was nothing more than a copy of it, since clearly no-one else could have thought of it independently.
During the driving sequence the gun and turret have a surprising amount of play, with the gun bouncing up and down and the turret turning side to side. Is that normal? Seems like it'd cause wear to the elevation and traverse equipment.
Well, they didn't have the travel lock engaged. But idk how long a tank might travel in the combat zone without the travel lock. Just depends, I guess.
When I was serving in the IDF Armour Corps, it was completely forbidden to drive a tank with the driver`s head outside, while the gun was pointing forward. The gun must be locked in the back position.
I bought one of those old Soviet tanker hats last time I was in Budapest. I'm gonna replace the headphones and jack lead in them with some modern headphones so I can listen to men of harlach while I'm in the tractor. lol. Haha the tin of wd40 on the floor. What was it Ricky out of trailer park boys called it? Ignition spray lol. Cheers for the vid Chieftain
Does anyone know if the Israeli and West germans came up with the removal of the M48 coupola independently or exchanged ideas? Because the german M48A2GA does the same, adding the Leopard 1 hatch
That originated with the Israelis apparently from the bitter experience of injuries and fatalities which were inflicted by the M48 cupola in combat which resulted in its replacement on all Israeli M48's and M60's by the locally designed and manufactured 'Urdan' cupola. The West Germans were a principal supplier of the M48 to Israel, progressively gifting their fleet to them as they introduced the Leopard 1. Throughout the 60's West Germany served as a major supply conduit for the Israeli acquisition of US military hardware both as a means of circumventing Congressional limitations and as reparations. The significant Israeli losses resulting from the Yom Kippur War were replaced by Executive Order in Operation Nickel Grass the largest emergency airlift of military hardware to that date which began during the war itself and continued for the next month. The Congressional restrictions on the direct sale of US weapons were lifted in the wake of the Yom Kippur War both as an inducement to Israel to cede the Sinai and make peace with Egypt as well as by way of an insurance policy for Israeli security.
@@harryricochet8134 Germany did not gift it's fleet of M48 to Israel in the 1960s. They where still in use in batallion sized lots in 1987. Look up M48A2GA2. Duelled with them in that time period
@@mbr5742 Israel's entire initial fleet of M48 tanks were 'purchased' (gifted) from West Germany at a significantly reduced price as part of reparations in the early 1960s (M48A2 variant) in a secret arms deal. West Germany was then forced to cancel further deliveries after the deal was exposed. After 1965 supplementary deliveries were made from the United States (M48A1 and M48A2C).
Sure looks like it. Transmit/Receive on one channel while listening on two others. Looks like a company commanders' vehicle. Operate on the company command net, monitor the battalion command net and maybe the infantry command net, cav scouts command net or artillery fire direction net. Or IDF radio playin' this week's top hits....
OK, first but that's the parking lot I want at my house, compound, farm, whatever. Gotta hand it to the Israelis-- they knew how to take pretty much anything, modify it and make it work for their needs. It's cool that they took M-4 cupolas and put them on M-48's.
@@doughudgens9275 That was in a T62. However, if he's going to actually drive a fully operational runner, then it makes sense to give us the payoff of a main gun round as well.
Given the recoil guard doesn't go very low, I guess the commander's lack of leg room is fixed when the gun takes off the commander's left leg.
pesky legs always getting in the way. Who needs then right?
@@Someguy6571 well, he has another one on the right side. He could get a job at IHOP.
Not like he really needs it anyway.
Gun breech be like: “what ‘bout their legs? They don’t need those”
The best yet explanation for the deletion of the bow gunner .
I think that and the fact that the bow gun was a weak spot in the frontal armour. A weak spot illuminated by the bow gunner firing the machine gun.
He was replaced by a miniature deli for the crew.
Bow gun was of very limited utility whilst, yes, creating a weak spot.
best explanation is the sheer amount of wasted internal volume for 0.0 effectiveness
No overly loud background music? Well that's a treat for sure.
Are we sure this is a WG video?
You, me and every single fan of tanks and the Chieftan's tank videos...
@@s.marcus3669 overly loud music is great in these videos don’t lie to yourself. We all love the song
Let's take a second to thank FixItInPost for the camera and editing work.
The forgotten hero of these videos.
So he is the one we can blame for the annoying music and stuff? Thanks.
I like these videos where the tank can still run and fire it's main gun: interesting and most likely rare. That bit of the Egyptians using M4's with AMX13 turrets was surprising. Those probably had better rate of fire than the T55.
Yeah man, Egyptians and their turrets. :-) It's a pretty cursed image to see, but it doesn't beat that T-34-100 monstrosity.
they did have better rate of fire than the T55, if they mantained the autoloaders as they should have, which they didn't and thus the only advantage of the AMX 13's turret was nullified
@Real Aiglon it is a pretty cursed image to see
As an old Marine infantryman I watch these videos just to remind me that tankers are all crazy. Great job, sir!
The closeup shots while driving ... explains why things with big guns have an external brace to clamp the gun tube down for a road march, that turret had an alarming amount of sideward wobble.
Not just side, but elevation gear wear as well. The gun was bouncing quite significantly.
After much time and editing we finally got Pt2 of the M50 video. With the new year ahead of us I hope we are able to go out to Battlefield Vegas again and other locations to film more episodes! What vehicle would you like for us to cover next? -FixItInPost
I was wondering why I couldn't remember watching part one! :)
I guess the Chieftain himself knows best what tanks are worth filming.
I can only imagine the internal temperature while trying to film this.
It was 120F that week. I remember because I ended up car shopping that very Friday.
10:20
Careful there, notion that Panther's Kwk42 wasn't the best one ever and haven't served well into the end of 20th century on various AMX-13 derivatives can and WILL trigger some people;)
Especially in 17 pounder vs 7.5cm Kwk42 debate.
When are Abrams going to be available?
Aww i saw M50 and was thinking the Chieftain was trying to shove his frame into a M50 Ontos
They need to shoot off all six on one of those.
@@rogersmith7396 it wont tip over backwards... they're recoilless.
The backblast would be impressive though.
That was awesome, Looks like a load of fun to drive.
Looking forward to a talk on the 105mm regunned Sherman of the Israelis
The good ol' Isherman
Yep, that will be a help to me. I have an M-51 model kit I will soon be building. These videos help with detail painting and accessories.
4:58 That WD-40 on the turret basket floor :D
"It is the business ... to have tanks people can rent and shoot" Now i have another thing on my bucket list.
The only downside is that, for safety reasons, you can't fire the tank's main gun from inside the turret. They, instead, have you fire it via lanyard from outside of the tank. They also don't techinically fire true live rounds, because of NFA regulations they, instead, shoot solid projectiles with no explosives of any kind inside of them. But, this still does quite the number on regular, unarmored, cars though.
@@Riceball01 lots of tanks and anti-tank guns used solid armor piercing projectiles. Especially the 76mm and 90mm AT guns. So it's not necessarily wrong for them to be using them.
@@Riceball01 I mean a solid projectile coming out of a 76mm gun at high velocity is still pretty effective.
One reason the autoloading turret was not considered was that once the 12 rounds in the loading mechanism were used up, the design of the turret, you had to reload the loader from outside of the turret. This offers some problems in combat. Also, replacing the Sherman turret with the autoloading turret was apparently a pretty complex operation.
Linked this to my old buddy (M60 driver). He'll enjoy this one.
Has the Chieftain kept track of how many tank types he's driven? Also AFVs, also guns fired.
A long but very interesting history of this tank.
It's probably abit awkward for the crew of Battlefield Vegas when Chieftain sits down in the driver seat and they say "okay let me show you how to drive this thing".
They probably check out people with tanks experience on a regular basis. If you have done training before, you get used to training people of all backgrounds. I was a new CFI (Certificated Flight Instructor) with 250 hours flying time and would check out military or airline pilots with thousands of hours to fly Cessnas and Pipers.
@@jeffreypierson2064 wow.
It's called a Khamsin, Nick. It blows when not wanted, and always right in your face.
"If you're wondering why we were playing with a live-cannon tank..." That's easy: because you can!
'Murica!
Love the video and the shooting!! Wargaming and Battlefield Vegas collaborations are the best, thanks Chieftain!!!
*BEST INSIDE THE HATCH EVER!!*
Thanks Nick. Interesting and informative indeed.
It's nice to see the insides of a still "in use" tank. The thing with a lot of your museum tanks - is that since the vehicle isn't in use any more - a lot of the interior has been stripped out.
Also, thanks for the bit about the gun not actually being a direct copy of the Panther's gun. I was one of those people that had read that it was.
One of the things about Israel is that pretty much everyone of age is in the military if they do a call up. In most nations you do not have their best and brightest in the military - but - in Israel because everyone is in it - you do.
This has led to situations where the Israeli's had pulled off things that others might not. There was a battle from the 6 Day War we were war gaming - where the Israeli's with AMX-13's had taken out an Egyptian Unit with Soviet Tanks (iirc). When we tried that in the war game - the guys controlling the Egyptian tanks were as smart as the guys with the AMX-13's and ... the AMX-13's got slaughtered.
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"That dosent normally happen" i was sitting there waiting for the shoot after he didnt take the shell out on camera lol
I rolled my eyes at that part xD notice the breach didn't even move. And these guns always recoil - no exceptions. Lol!
I was wondering if that was a live round or a prop. But it could have been planned. as the camera happened to catch it. Or just editing magic
@@travisbauder655 The primer on the round Nicholas shoved in the breach was dented indicating an expended/non-functioning munition.
Obviously not real, if for no other reason than the fact that the cameraman, who was obviously filming from directly behind the gun, not only was not immediately crushed to death or even maimed, but didn't even flinch. I seriously doubt that would be the case if he had accidentally left a round in the breech and fired it off. Not only would I be extremely disappointed in Moran for putting his own and his cameraman's life in danger by his negligence in not clearing the gun, but I would be very surprised at the laxity of the staff that allowed him to take live rounds into the tank without carefully controlling the situation, making sure everyone is well clear, the gun is pointed in a safe direction and the turret is cleared out _before_ it is possible to fire the gun.
@@masterDevis Why would you see the breech move? The camera switches to outside the tank as it fires. Then it switches back to the inside. It would have slammed back and cycled forward before the camera ever showed the inside again, so I don't see why you would expect to see it move. Have you never actually seen a gun firing? it takes less than half a second to cycle. Although it should be immediately obvious that wasn't real just at a glance. They would have been far more freaked out, there would be some smoke, hot case on the floor, and the cameraman standing behind the gun would be dead or seriously injured.
Just so you know, Chieftain, your videos give me great joy.
Thanks Battlefield Vegas! I hope to visit soon. Oh, and this was the best Part Two of Inside The Chieftain's Hatch ever WOT and Chieftain. Well done. Great.
Love when you get to drive the tank and fire the main gun. Being able to hear and see it in a little bit of action is the cherry on top. Cheers!
Commander doesn't need the leg room, at least on the left side, after the recoiling gun amputates that foot.
All M 50 TCs are nicknamed "Stumpy".
LOL ..love it !
@@sungodrah No, it's Hopkins
You all say so, yet it obviously wasn't a problem, because they used these tanks for year, and I doubt they did that when it was regularly maiming the commanders when they tried to use the gun. So STFU already. it isn't funny.
Good presentation. I wonder what happened to the M4A1 that was at Ft. Lewis Washington back in 1971 when I took basic there. It was outside the main exchange building with the bottom emergency hatch missing I went in it several times as it was a good place to hide and read on Sundays.
It's not surprising that the Israelis were not too worried about carrying as much ammunition. They were generally operating with _much_ shorter supply lines than the Sherman was originally intended for.
When I saw the tank fire it reminded me of a guy who managed to keep a jagdpanther in good enough order to even fire the main cannon.
Makes me question if old tanks have a process of reactivation even from age. Since a lot of these Shermans are still world war II originals with new engines and guns still hoofing it.
Every vehicle can be fixed, especially simpler ones, if keep in correct storage clean the carburator, check few things and every old engine will fire up in the year 3000
If the hull is intact and not totally corroded beyond hope, you can resurrect any tank. IF you can find the parts to fit on it to basically rebuild it from scratch. Which is extremely expensive and difficult, and good luck finding most of the parts. You will need to have many of them scratch built if you want it to be authentic. And good luck with the harder components. Where do you find a spare German WWII tank engine, or parts to build one? That kind of thing can't be built from scratch. So in most cases unless it is in quite good condition, it is not worth trying to fix it, it would be prohibitively expensive and difficult. You can always cobble together something that looks roughly like the original by find ways to bolt in a new engine and transmission, making new suspension or repairing the old one, putting some paint on it, etc. Like the BT-7 Moran shows on his channel, which they pulled out of a swamp and got running...but only by cutting out the firewall and installing some modern diesel engine in the crew compartment. You can't get an engine for a BT tank any more. If you find one in good shape, it will still take work, but you can often get it running again with some work and money. It always is an issue of whether you can find enough money, but the better the shape it is in (and the less rare it is) the easier and cheaper it will be.
@@gillespriod5509 If it is stored correctly there is little to fix. I didn't understand that to be the question. that would be "Is there any limit to how old a tank can be an still be made into a driver". What he asked is if there is a 'process of reactivation from age". that entirely depends on whether it was stored correctly and carefully or not.
So by the time the vehicles had made it to chile, they had been equipped with some random engine type, then swapped for Continental, then the cummins, then the detroit.
So some vehicles had seen the same engine type twice, and some had started out with the radial and then gone on to use each of the 4 engine types available. If this doesnt say something about the quality of US mass production and standardsation at the time the vehicles were prodsuced I don't know what would.
Just dug this episode! What a buzz to have driven this beast! Thanks once more to the Chieftain for a totally immersive look at this iconic Tank.
I think he had fun!
I want my own Sherman.
If that ever comes to pass, that when I'll think about getting a crew.
Or, hear me out, automate all of the functions and be a one-man tank crew.
They can be bought. Generally in pretty dire condition. Be prepared for an expensive, years-long restoration project.
@RavenousElf yeah, not likely. Armies have been trying that for more than a century, and the furthest anyone has gotten are the infamous "jack in the box' Russian tanks we're seeing in the Ukraine. Automation has created a huge vulnerability - a great carousel of highly vulnerable, explosive, ammunition sitting directly under the turret.
Oh, and maintaining and operating a tank is a manpower-intensive job, requiring lots of hard physical labor. You *want* a crew.
That Turbo V-8 Cummins sounds so damn good !!!!
I think Nick is enjoying himself far too much!!
5:40 loads a round
13:10 gets shocked the cannon fired such round when the trigger was pressed
:)
There was a camera conveniently staged for the shot - totally planned.
You are assuming this all actually happens as it is presented and not carefully filmed and edited after the fact.
@@justforever96 it was, I'm certain, highly scripted.
I bet there's a tanker out there who started squirming because he had the gun loaded and the recoil guard in place.
(Obviously not a real issue here)
You may cool, but you never be as cool as the Chieftain shooting and scooting an M50!
Were M50s considered the pinnacle of the Sherman design?
Probably the 105mm armed M-51
@@TacoSallust There's also the Chilean M-60 Sherman armed with 60mm HVMS gun firing APFSDS shells. The gun found on AUBL 74.
Additionally, those M-60s were made from 3rd hand M-50 Shermans from the Israelis.
Other than Shermans, Chile also has M24 Chaffee tanks modified with the same 60mm gun.
"don't quote me on that" - Nicholas "the chieftan" Moran 2021
10:20
Careful there, notion that Panther's Kwk42 wasn't the best one ever and haven't served well into the end of 20th century on various AMX-13 derivatives can and WILL trigger some people;)
Especially in 17 pounder vs 7.5cm Kwk42 debate.
Thanks for the ride along.
Thank you for making this happen
Why are you driving without the hatch pin installed? Good way to get permanent headaches. Saw many soldiers injured in various AVs when the pin was omitted from its proper position
The Chieftain is the best!
Nice video , great production , and 1440P quality ,👍
18:20 I like how the shirt changed color to sort of a “Sinai sand grey”…
Recoil guard, in M48 A1s you stayed out of the way or you became part of the radios after you were squeezed through the guard in front of them. .
The local "constabulary"? Garda Síochána na hÉireann? Cheers!
I find so much enjoyment watching you actually driving and playing tanker. My favorite tank is a M-3 Lee because of my last name and a Stuart m-5.
CHEERS 🍻
Loved the driving part, keep the vids coming.
@13:10
The chieftan: On the way!
@13:13
The chieftan: shocked pikachu face
I was waiting for Chieften to give us a 'Woof, woof woof'.
Great video Chieftan! Well done as always.
Any plans on Merkava?
You have the job that I always wanted.
Love these videos.
Now you need to do the BMP or BMD 1
Plenty available cheap. Just one previous owner. Contact the Ukrainian Embassy
You have the best job in the world!
CORRECTION (10:00): It's KwK-42 NOT KwK-43.
Very interesting and informative, thank you!
6:33 How did you get the darn thing out again?
13:10 I see.
At 13:00 The Chieftain fired the main gun. Remotely? Hail the Chieftain.. 75mm round down range.
Thanks for posting this, I watched the first part when I was in hospital. 👍
Out now, I presume? Happy to have taken your mind off things for a few minutes
@@TheChieftainsHatch Thanks, much appreciated, out of hospital thank god. Love your videos.
"They found that if they deleted the bow gunners position on five tanks, they could man a whole other tank." Took the worlds militaries 4 or 5 decades to get that one straight. They sure didn't seem to mind the big bullseye weak spot in what is supposed to be the thickest armour...
And yes, I know most of the time tanks are fighting infantry in field fortifications, the bullseye works a well for a RPG as anything.
you really over estimate the ability to hit the ball joint.
It goes much further than that. A tank platoon in the IDF consists of only three tanks, not four as in the US Army. A tank battalion has 36 tanks and an armored brigade has 111 tanks. A platoon commander has only one platoon sergeant to assist him.
you overestimate the accuracy of tank cannons and RPG's There is a reason they generally shoot center mass. epecially in those times.
Also the bowgunner was the first thing that could lay fire on an infantry poking it's head out if it was in the front. if the turret was turned then both the cannon and coax needed precious seconds to turn before suppressing.
Watching this as a console player who's got his HMH M51 Super Sherman: WHOOOOOO! WHOOOOOOOOOOO!
As always, an amazing production, keep making these videos, and have a happy new year
I believe they were used in the movie Big Red One with Lee Marvin!
You're missing the legendary, but very rare, WD40 ammunition.
Don't know I just find this to be a gorgeous tank.
Chieftain: massive breach operating handle
Me, a dum dum: oh wow
Chieftain: opens full handle
Me: OH WOW
I like that fold away recoil guard.
There is actually a document found on the logistics and armament core of IDF, in which they tell the story of the m50 the decision to build it, the names of the engineers that went to france to learn from the french and design the tank...it's really interesting actually so there information about the tank..it's just hidden hah
So if you know about it,and know how to get to it,would it be worth it to you to contact the Chieftain himself and let him know ? I doubt he is literate in Hebrew,or is it in English ? I do believe he would like to be informed.
Would the tracer fire from the coaxial mg be used to help sight in the main gun?
It could be, but it's not ballistically matched so would require some adjustment. The bigger problem is spotting the impact at range
@@TheChieftainsHatch I was thinking that tracer fire could be used as a sort of an azimuth to help with acquiring a line of sight faster. You being an active tanker didn't use it so it wasn't sop. Thanks
@@31terikennedy At ranges that the coax tracer hasn't burned out, you don't need the rangefinding assist
@@TheChieftainsHatch As you can tell, I was never a tanker. Thanks again for responding Sir.
Why would it? It is a totally different round with a totally different trajectory. Even the British when they used spotting rifles uses a .50cal, because it is a lot bigger and heavier and longer ranged, closer to a main gun, and they used special ballistically matched ammo for the gun. A 7.62 has a pitiful range compared to a cannon. They sight the guns in on a firing range so when you put the crosshairs on a target, it hits that target. The only part you need help with is knowing how far away it is, and a 7.62mm isn't going to help with that.
Sure was a long couple of weeks. ;-) Had to go back and rewatch Part 1. Which is never a bad thing. :-D
I can still see a generation of American ordinance engineers beating their heads on their desks for not thinking of that bolted on mantlet extender as a way of getting a larger gun in the existing turrets.. thats the major chunk of 'so simple it has to be genius' design element here. Ditto for the folks who shoehorned the 17pdr into the firefly seeing this for the first time with a 'why didnt WE think of that??'
Extending the main gun's pivot point that far forward may have had alternate issues with elevation and depression, especially since the breech's vertical swing would be greater in distance because of the longer lever arm. That could have complicated loading, as well as turret balance - adding this turret's counterweight might not have been feasible given the supposed weight limits of the previous engine.
As Chieftan explains in great detail the WWII Army was working on bigger guns but they were never accepted for use. The Pershing was the next step up.
@@JDCheng This is more or less the case. It’s why the T23/76mm turret with the trunnions mounted further forward was not preferred for the 17pr conversion, even if it did move the gun forward. Led to problems getting the ancillary bits like elevation gear to fit right,
@@rogersmith7396 As he also explains in great detail several attempts to upgun the original Sherman turret by the ordinance department that were initially approved by armor branch and then rejected when they found the turret too was too cramped. the 100 shermans with original turrets and 76s that got produced but never sent overseas as an example. all of those, and the firefly as well could probably have been made to work by that bolt on mantlet extension..even better , a bolt on mantlet kit would have allowed upgrades at the depot and field level.
@@arthurthedented the problem with a field-expedient bolt-on "mantlet kit" for the main gun would be twofold: one, as was mentioned, the change in geometry would mean the elevation linkages would need to be replaced as well.
Two, just adding a larger gun - and one that's extended forward from the front of the turret - would imbalance the turret on its ring. That would cause significant stress on the turret traverse mechanism, especially on uneven ground like a turret-down or hull-down position behind a berm.
Even in this video, the M50 has a significant counterweight added to the back of the turret. That's not something you can easily add in the field.
Oh come on, everyone knows that if someone comes up with some equipment, and another country comes up with something that is essentially similar in function and purpose, that the second nation "copied" the first. So since Germany came up with the first high-velocity 75mm, it follows that every high-velocity 75mm that followed was nothing more than a copy of it, since clearly no-one else could have thought of it independently.
Still waiting for him to go in a chieftain.
During the driving sequence the gun and turret have a surprising amount of play, with the gun bouncing up and down and the turret turning side to side. Is that normal? Seems like it'd cause wear to the elevation and traverse equipment.
Well, they didn't have the travel lock engaged. But idk how long a tank might travel in the combat zone without the travel lock. Just depends, I guess.
When I was serving in the IDF Armour Corps, it was completely forbidden to drive a tank with the driver`s head outside, while the gun was pointing forward. The gun must be locked in the back position.
Accually thought he was going to send that round!
THKS
I bought one of those old Soviet tanker hats last time I was in Budapest. I'm gonna replace the headphones and jack lead in them with some modern headphones so I can listen to men of harlach while I'm in the tractor. lol. Haha the tin of wd40 on the floor. What was it Ricky out of trailer park boys called it? Ignition spray lol. Cheers for the vid Chieftain
Tiger 2 and 1 :hanz why the heck that sherman still exist today
How did the Diesel engine change the performance of the tank?
Does anyone know if the Israeli and West germans came up with the removal of the M48 coupola independently or exchanged ideas? Because the german M48A2GA does the same, adding the Leopard 1 hatch
That originated with the Israelis apparently from the bitter experience of injuries and fatalities which were inflicted by the M48 cupola in combat which resulted in its replacement on all Israeli M48's and M60's by the locally designed and manufactured 'Urdan' cupola. The West Germans were a principal supplier of the M48 to Israel, progressively gifting their fleet to them as they introduced the Leopard 1. Throughout the 60's West Germany served as a major supply conduit for the Israeli acquisition of US military hardware both as a means of circumventing Congressional limitations and as reparations. The significant Israeli losses resulting from the Yom Kippur War were replaced by Executive Order in Operation Nickel Grass the largest emergency airlift of military hardware to that date which began during the war itself and continued for the next month. The Congressional restrictions on the direct sale of US weapons were lifted in the wake of the Yom Kippur War both as an inducement to Israel to cede the Sinai and make peace with Egypt as well as by way of an insurance policy for Israeli security.
@@harryricochet8134 Germany did not gift it's fleet of M48 to Israel in the 1960s. They where still in use in batallion sized lots in 1987. Look up M48A2GA2. Duelled with them in that time period
@@mbr5742 Israel's entire initial fleet of M48 tanks were 'purchased' (gifted) from West Germany at a significantly reduced price as part of reparations in the early 1960s (M48A2 variant) in a secret arms deal. West Germany was then forced to cancel further deliveries after the deal was exposed. After 1965 supplementary deliveries were made from the United States (M48A1 and M48A2C).
So these tanks are older than a B 52 and still going strong. US quality.
Good job Chief
Is that a RT-524 and two R-442’s?
Sure looks like it. Transmit/Receive on one channel while listening on two others. Looks like a company commanders' vehicle. Operate on the company command net, monitor the battalion command net and maybe the infantry command net, cav scouts command net or artillery fire direction net. Or IDF radio playin' this week's top hits....
Also note that on the front of the M50 in Hebrew letters is Mitzria or "to Egypt."
great vid .
OK, first but that's the parking lot I want at my house, compound, farm, whatever.
Gotta hand it to the Israelis-- they knew how to take pretty much anything, modify it and make it work for their needs. It's cool that they took M-4 cupolas and put them on M-48's.
Is the WD-40 can standard issue?
COTS -Commercial Off THE Shelf purchase
I'm jealous - u got to shoot all the weapons on the tank 😂😂😂
I'm convinced at this point older tanks were designed for people with no legs.
uhm... I dunno if it's a glitch, buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut Part One is dated **MAY 11, 2022**
Did the M-50 have the 105mm gun or was that just the M-51 only?
M51 only
Well at least it had the engine conversion so you didn't have to hand crank it like 63 times before you ran away 😂
I’d love to see one with the Chilean 60mm HV gun
I think you need cushions and more plush :-)
Love your videos. Thank you
How on Earth do we get an in-depth look at this tank, and we DON'T get a thorough part 3 of actually firing it?
that was Pt1, IIRC
@@DrRussian It was not fired in Pt 1.
He fired the machine guns with forgotten weapons a few months back (maybe the main gun too, I don’t remember)
@@doughudgens9275 That was in a T62. However, if he's going to actually drive a fully operational runner, then it makes sense to give us the payoff of a main gun round as well.
@@ETCSssMcCrackin Well he did fire it in this episode. Lol. He did a video on the Sherman with FW aswell, so that covered the MG's and small arms.
So, when's the tour of the M50s big brother, The M51 Super Sherman?
Super Sherman is the 76mm M1 armed version