Thank you all so much for watching! If you haven't seen part 1, I highly recommend you do as it provides critical context for the M3's creation and development. And of course thank you again to Red Wrench for being part of this project! I'll be hosting a Q&A about the M3 and this video series on a live stream this Saturday (12/9/2024) at 3PM EST, so if you'd like to be apart of that set a reminder! Of course you can also always join the discord and ask a question there, link in the description! Which part was your favorite? What was something you learned in this series that you didn't know before? Let me know with a comment!
Regarding Australia M3 despatches and arrivals, 255 Lees and 522 Grants were sent to Australia from US plants (777 in total), however only 757 ended up in the local inventory due to losses during shipping. Reference: ANZAC Steel article written by Paul Handel.
In reference to later M3s being built without functional side doors, this caused some consternation in Australia. The Australian Chief of the General Staff famously wrote to the Federal Minister for the Army in April 1943, asking why Australia had received “defective tanks” that lacked any side doors.
1 candlepower is 12.57 lumens. That's a hell of a lamp. The theory was that it would ruin the night vision of anyone in the spotlight by causing their eyes to readjust to the bright light
Learning there was a cast M3 makes me even madder that in war thunder US low tier hasn't gotten anything new (excluding one singular AA) since... well... forever
@Norwagen yeah. They keep selling DLC worth 2 games I can guarantee this little scheme is gonna topple over, it's like a dessert without a meal of anything of substance to support it
Mild correction, sheared rivets don’t send red hot metal shards flying through the tank, it only sends normal temperature metal shards flying around the tank, mildly detrimental to one's prolonged well-being.
Even before this, the M3 Lee was my favorite tank. I knew full well that it was a deeply flawed design, but it failed so the Sherman could prosper. It was interesting to learn more about so much of the minute design differences in the tank and its service in countries other than the US and UK. I think I'm quoting the pig in saying "The tank that you have is better than the theoretical one you don't," and the M3 was that tank.
Amazing video, I've always loved the Lee with it's functional weirdness I'm surprised the Ram tank wasn't mentioned due to the Canadians basing it off of the Lee's hull. Regardless tho, it was nice seeing the lee being talked about
Eta, at the end when you kept touching, patting, and dusting off the M3 reminded me of The Lost World Jurassic Park line that Malcolm utters when Sarah touches the baby Stegosaurus, "She has to touch it. She can't not touch. Look at that, when she sees something, she's gotta, she's gotta."
Outside the Patton Museum on Fort Knox there's a M3 that has this toothed comb thing on the front and I've always wondered what it is. It's also on a few of the M4's.
It’s there for setting the parking brake when the tank is in transit overseas. You set a wire around the steering tillers, and pull it through a hole in the front of the tank and hook it onto the comb. This pulls the tillers forward and holds them there to keep the tank from rolling around. It’s not only on M3’s and M4’s I’ve personally also seen one on an M20 armored car
I love that you collaborated with Red Wrench, you are my favourite tank TH-camrs and I learned a lot from both of you. I hope there will be more collabs!
So yes, I did subscribe to your channel and just finished watching the second episode on the Lee and Grant tanks thank you so much for this series. These tanks are definitely my favorite and I totally agree they never get the recognition that they should. The episode from the Australian armor Museum, where they restored one and also found I think it was four more was one of my favorite series from the museum. if I could ever afford to buy a vintage World War II tank, it would definitely be a Lee or a Grant and not a Tiger 👍
At ~ the 25 min mark, when you're struggling w/ the whole carbon arc light issue, you ponder upon "What is one candle power? Regardless, 13 million of them is a lot..." the definition of a candle-power goes back to the old lighthouses, which used whale oil lamps, with one candle-power being defined in terms of the wick dimensions and suchlike. Not certain if the modern "candela" is normalized to the old candle-power or not, the whale-oil necessary to make the standard being in (thankfully) short supply...
M3 is my favorite. I remember going to the Aberdeen proving ground with my Father when I was around 12 years old. I saw this weird looking thing on the way in and it stuck with me. As I learned more about that mutant I grew to love and respect it. Wasn't there some sort of navigational system for the M3 in the desert? Not just a sextant and/or compass but some sort of almost analog GPS sort of thing?
I have no idea but could you be talking about LORAN. As far as i know it was around during ww2 but was a naval navigation tool. I have no idea if the system was also used in the desert.
You missed the Australian conversion of M3’s into a version of the Priest with Australian made 25lb guns as the “Yeramba”. Australia also got M3’s from the Middle East at the end of that campaign.
Well done , l 'am surprised that l sat down and watched two and a half hours of this , worth it .if you want to read more on the M3 in Burma , get the book by Jack Bowsher called " FORGOTTEN ARMOUR. "Tank Warfare In Burma
28:46 many of these images show "sunshield" camo used during Operation Bertrum. they were designed to misdirect the german forces and disguise the true locations of british tank forces. disguising tanks as trucks and leaving dummy tanks a days travel behind the armour. these disguises were successful at misdirecting the german forces and the british were able to surprise them with their armour a full day before the germans expected to see them. I am unaware as to whether these sunshields were ever used in combat due to their flimsy nature, being canvas over a steel tube frame. however they were designed to fool recon aircraft and did so exactly as desired.
38:24 Let us pray🙏😇 As good as this video on the Lee/Grant us, and it is good, you haven't finished the entire history until you rain down the fire and brimstone upon the heathens and non-believers!😊 She was the _erector set_ tank that was cobbled together with and by industrial and army cooperation that along the way built the knowledge, skills, and tools to build an efficient and effective system of mass production. Excellent job relating the history of the old girl. She did well and so did you. Subscribed.👍🏻
i find it funny that the sign of the M3 nr2 says M3A5 on it despite clearly beeing rivited and not welded. plus the naming of "Lee Grant" and "General Lee" also seems odd
I've always felt the M3 is underrated. Its definitely not the best tank, but its also definitely not a 'coffin for seven brothers'. Perfect? No. Made on the spot basically being improvised in about a year, its pretty *ok* as a ww2 tank and better than almost all interwar designs. And still did decently enough with ww2 tanks. Not great, but still shot at the enemy and would hit them.
Yea, when looking at interwar tanks, it's wild how wacky they got. M3 still went down a design path that was basically a dead end (sponson gun, multiturret, huge), but it still executed those concepts to an acceptable degree.
1:10:40 Which HEAT are they refering to? There were 4 versions, Gr.38 Hl, then /A, /B, /C. The Base variant, was little more of an improvement to the APCBC, with 52-55mm/0°, however the A-C were ever growing improvements (all at 0° here) with 81, 87 and 115mm penetration. The /A appears to be late 40 early 41, /B starting somewhere 42, completly replacing the other rounds (cheaper and more powerfull from L/24 than kinetic and the 2 other Heat rounds) And then from late 42 or early 43, both /B and /C were used. The /C could even penetrate the front hull of T-34s, so A-C would also be able to penetrate the front hull of the M3 at different places, if not at least the 50,8mm drivers front and transmission housing.
I am working on a small little personal project for myself. I am trying to find good proof that there was a tank/tanks being used in Iceland by either the Icelandic government or search and rescue associations. This all started when me and a friend of mine were chatting one evening on Discord when he happened to mention a SAR association fielding a tank in the past. At first, I thought he was talking about an armoured car gifted by the german government in '01, but it was apparently older. How do you go about researching something like this. I have tried and tried again, read too many news articles, but each one leads to another dead end. The closest I got to finding a tank in SAR service was a news article from '69 where some guys were modifying a tank to fit the needs of SAR. I find a long obituary from '97 for a guy who was a part of said SAR association and a lifelong mechanic, but it turns out to have been a big agricultural tractor on tracks :(
I might got lost in this but the M3 Lee you were standing next to in the video is one of the first ones right? So why the sign there says it is M3A5? Was it like modified later in its life or something?
@@eta320 That sort of error isn't uncommon. Until recently there was a Sherman on display at CFB Cornwallis in Nova Scotia with a brass plate on the front identifying it as an M4A2 when it's obviously an M4A3E8. It saw service in Korea. I believe it's currently undergoing restoration.
A what if, Germany/USA would be an awesome tank. An Welded M3, German HL174 Engine (450 PS), 5 cm KwK 38 L/42 in the turret, either 7,5 cm KwK 37 L/24, 7,5 cm Fk 16 n.A. L/36 or 7,5 cm K. L/41 in the hull. Fahrersehklappe 50 instead of the driver hatch in the front plate.
I have a question about the M3's steering gears. From what I recall, M4's used similar diffs to what cars had, due to being made by automotive companies. Or was it the Clectrac thing that's what's referred to a double diff? I always thought of double diffs being the stuff in like, Cromwells.
I've heard so many terms thrown around for what the differential is on the M3/M4. From "Double Differential" to "Cross Drive Transmission" as well as "Cletrac" unfortunately I've yet do dedicate a serious amount of time figuring out if these are all terms for the same thing or if they are different.
@@eta320 Ah yeah, tank steering solutions are wack. I've once spent like 2 weeks just trying to figure out the power paths through them when various clutches or brakes are applied on the more complex systems. Unfortunately a site with really good visual aids stopped being kept online, though it still kinda exists in the internet archive
The engine deck plate of M4 (series) tanks is 12.7mm right? I have seen pictures and 1 mention, but beyond that its practically not documented. Do you have any more info on it?
You shown video and gave factual detail about the M3 in asia that it can climb steep terrain, yet feel vindicated and agreed with the German and Russian reports of the tank not able to climb? How would that make sense? Just saying.
@@loyalgamer896 The Soviet/German reports are specifically about climbing vertical obstacles like a short wall or a large rock, going head on to a solid surface to go up and over. However climbing a large hill or steep slope isn’t quite the same, the complaint of the transmission sticking too far out so the tracks can’t grab the obstacle to get up and over don’t really apply since it’s just about torque and traction with the hill.
Thank you all so much for watching! If you haven't seen part 1, I highly recommend you do as it provides critical context for the M3's creation and development. And of course thank you again to Red Wrench for being part of this project!
I'll be hosting a Q&A about the M3 and this video series on a live stream this Saturday (12/9/2024) at 3PM EST, so if you'd like to be apart of that set a reminder! Of course you can also always join the discord and ask a question there, link in the description!
Which part was your favorite? What was something you learned in this series that you didn't know before? Let me know with a comment!
Typo, third paragraph, last sentence, “as” to “ask” 👍
The U.S. Navy stripped all internal paint off their ships during WW2 precisely because of fire problems.
cant believe RedWrench finished the M3 L33 guide after Etward 320 died, fly high eta! 🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊
Channel vs person I hope!
Legend says they are working to produce Etward 321 right now
Eta320 is just like the American 75mm cannon
They're both fucking awesome and can penetrate ~100mm of armour
Real
Real
He also has a high rate of fire. I thought part two was coming in a couple weeks at least
He also packs a pretty good HE round
Regarding Australia M3 despatches and arrivals, 255 Lees and 522 Grants were sent to Australia from US plants (777 in total), however only 757 ended up in the local inventory due to losses during shipping.
Reference: ANZAC Steel article written by Paul Handel.
In reference to later M3s being built without functional side doors, this caused some consternation in Australia. The Australian Chief of the General Staff famously wrote to the Federal Minister for the Army in April 1943, asking why Australia had received “defective tanks” that lacked any side doors.
Eta the M3 tripped on an obstacle, so that the M4 could drive over it.
1 candlepower is 12.57 lumens. That's a hell of a lamp. The theory was that it would ruin the night vision of anyone in the spotlight by causing their eyes to readjust to the bright light
Omg I thought I was going to have to wait weeks for the second part but here it is! Eta fans eating good tonight
Learning there was a cast M3 makes me even madder that in war thunder US low tier hasn't gotten anything new (excluding one singular AA) since... well... forever
Why do that when you can just sell another T-80 or Leopard? Easy money for Gaijin
@Norwagen yeah. They keep selling DLC worth 2 games I can guarantee this little scheme is gonna topple over, it's like a dessert without a meal of anything of substance to support it
Mild correction, sheared rivets don’t send red hot metal shards flying through the tank, it only sends normal temperature metal shards flying around the tank, mildly detrimental to one's prolonged well-being.
1:11:42 "They were there when they were needed" can sum up half of what's great about the M3 in general.
Even before this, the M3 Lee was my favorite tank. I knew full well that it was a deeply flawed design, but it failed so the Sherman could prosper. It was interesting to learn more about so much of the minute design differences in the tank and its service in countries other than the US and UK. I think I'm quoting the pig in saying "The tank that you have is better than the theoretical one you don't," and the M3 was that tank.
Great video eta! Excellent collaboration gentlemen 😊
Amazing video, I've always loved the Lee with it's functional weirdness
I'm surprised the Ram tank wasn't mentioned due to the Canadians basing it off of the Lee's hull.
Regardless tho, it was nice seeing the lee being talked about
I deemed the RAM too far removed from the Lee to be part of this video
Yeah thats fair.
The ram really is just an odd in-between of the lee and sherman with a British accent lol (or more of a Canadian accent XD)
Eta, at the end when you kept touching, patting, and dusting off the M3 reminded me of The Lost World Jurassic Park line that Malcolm utters when Sarah touches the baby Stegosaurus, "She has to touch it. She can't not touch. Look at that, when she sees something, she's gotta, she's gotta."
I'm playing WarThunder while watching this.
#ETA320
Yknow the M3 is probably the most warhammer tank America ever made
I would really like a comprehensive video about the M7. How did it perform, what battles did it engage in, how was it's mobility leveraged, etc.
Absolute cinema.
Ever since i learnd of the cast m3 lee (which is about a year ago) i didnt know i needed to hear the validation of it being cursed 6:45
Outside the Patton Museum on Fort Knox there's a M3 that has this toothed comb thing on the front and I've always wondered what it is. It's also on a few of the M4's.
It’s there for setting the parking brake when the tank is in transit overseas. You set a wire around the steering tillers, and pull it through a hole in the front of the tank and hook it onto the comb. This pulls the tillers forward and holds them there to keep the tank from rolling around. It’s not only on M3’s and M4’s I’ve personally also seen one on an M20 armored car
@eta320 Thanks bro!
I love that you collaborated with Red Wrench, you are my favourite tank TH-camrs and I learned a lot from both of you.
I hope there will be more collabs!
ok having music disc chirp in the background music is pretty neat. also really great video wonderful job!
Have you ever seen the movie Sahara? It's about an m3 crew in Africa starring Humphrey bogart
So yes, I did subscribe to your channel and just finished watching the second episode on the Lee and Grant tanks thank you so much for this series. These tanks are definitely my favorite and I totally agree they never get the recognition that they should. The episode from the Australian armor Museum, where they restored one and also found I think it was four more was one of my favorite series from the museum. if I could ever afford to buy a vintage World War II tank, it would definitely be a Lee or a Grant and not a Tiger 👍
“…not a single tool for tightening tracks available…”
Sad Chieftain noises…
Pepper pot filter on exhaust? Weird.
Edit:silencer! Now I get it.
Beautiful closing speech. This truly video is a love letter to the beauty of tanks, not just the Lee.
At ~ the 25 min mark, when you're struggling w/ the whole carbon arc light issue, you ponder upon "What is one candle power? Regardless, 13 million of them is a lot..." the definition of a candle-power goes back to the old lighthouses, which used whale oil lamps, with one candle-power being defined in terms of the wick dimensions and suchlike. Not certain if the modern "candela" is normalized to the old candle-power or not, the whale-oil necessary to make the standard being in (thankfully) short supply...
Never thought I'd ever feel sad, about the M4 Replacing the M3, yet here we are.
M3 is my favorite. I remember going to the Aberdeen proving ground with my Father when I was around 12 years old. I saw this weird looking thing on the way in and it stuck with me. As I learned more about that mutant I grew to love and respect it. Wasn't there some sort of navigational system for the M3 in the desert? Not just a sextant and/or compass but some sort of almost analog GPS sort of thing?
I have no idea but could you be talking about LORAN. As far as i know it was around during ww2 but was a naval navigation tool. I have no idea if the system was also used in the desert.
@@John-ij3vi I'm not sure myself. It might have been Chieftan or David Fletcher that talked about it. Probably an experimental thing.
Watched and listened to, in a row, and feel cool
1:04:21 things tend to catch fire more readily if you spill vodka on them.
M3 lee/grant and variants my beloved
Perfect content to watch while burning fuel
Hey, you forgot the T36 40mm GMC, which was as it sounds, a 40mm bofors in an armoured turret on a M3 medium hull
You missed the Australian conversion of M3’s into a version of the Priest with Australian made 25lb guns as the “Yeramba”.
Australia also got M3’s from the Middle East at the end of that campaign.
Excellent work, best video you've made yet!
Collab of a century! Its really nice seeing borh of your fav people team up
Well done , l 'am surprised that l sat down and watched two and a half hours of this , worth it .if you want to read more on the M3 in Burma , get the book by Jack Bowsher called " FORGOTTEN ARMOUR. "Tank Warfare In Burma
Great video man
23:10 ... Heh. 'Grant'ed
RED WRENCH IS ACTUALLY A GIRAFFE AND SO IS ETA
Another day late to work. Please, there’s got to be a part 3 in there, somewhere.
Grab your bomber jacket some biltong, coffee, or tea and recline next to your fireplace. Its time to learn about rhe M3
28:46 many of these images show "sunshield" camo used during Operation Bertrum. they were designed to misdirect the german forces and disguise the true locations of british tank forces. disguising tanks as trucks and leaving dummy tanks a days travel behind the armour.
these disguises were successful at misdirecting the german forces and the british were able to surprise them with their armour a full day before the germans expected to see them.
I am unaware as to whether these sunshields were ever used in combat due to their flimsy nature, being canvas over a steel tube frame. however they were designed to fool recon aircraft and did so exactly as desired.
So sad I'll be in school when this goes up
I feel you, luckily for me it is night
Eta320 I am beyond happy to know that you're going to make the IS-7 video next! Ri...right?!?! Yes?!?!?!?!
Was NOT ready for the hoi4 OST intro music, alas, comments for the comment god
Well done! I've always wondered if the turret could have been altered enough to mount the 57mm gun.
38:24 Let us pray🙏😇
As good as this video on the Lee/Grant us, and it is good, you haven't finished the entire history until you rain down the fire and brimstone upon the heathens and non-believers!😊
She was the _erector set_ tank that was cobbled together with and by industrial and army cooperation that along the way built the knowledge, skills, and tools to build an efficient and effective system of mass production. Excellent job relating the history of the old girl. She did well and so did you. Subscribed.👍🏻
O.o I had no idea there were so many M3's
there is footage of some lees late war in germany not sure of their assighments
i find it funny that the sign of the M3 nr2 says M3A5 on it despite clearly beeing rivited and not welded.
plus the naming of "Lee Grant" and "General Lee" also seems odd
The TF2 music caught me off guard
Love the liberal use of TF2 music, always appreciated.
I've always felt the M3 is underrated. Its definitely not the best tank, but its also definitely not a 'coffin for seven brothers'. Perfect? No. Made on the spot basically being improvised in about a year, its pretty *ok* as a ww2 tank and better than almost all interwar designs. And still did decently enough with ww2 tanks. Not great, but still shot at the enemy and would hit them.
Yea, when looking at interwar tanks, it's wild how wacky they got. M3 still went down a design path that was basically a dead end (sponson gun, multiturret, huge), but it still executed those concepts to an acceptable degree.
I honestly thought it would take a month for part 2, glad I’m wrong lol
Can you please do one with the T 55
i think its so goofy how well know train manufacturers like alco and baldwin locomotive works built tanks in ww2
1:10:40 Which HEAT are they refering to? There were 4 versions, Gr.38 Hl, then /A, /B, /C.
The Base variant, was little more of an improvement to the APCBC, with 52-55mm/0°, however the A-C were ever growing improvements (all at 0° here) with 81, 87 and 115mm penetration. The /A appears to be late 40 early 41, /B starting somewhere 42, completly replacing the other rounds (cheaper and more powerfull from L/24 than kinetic and the 2 other Heat rounds)
And then from late 42 or early 43, both /B and /C were used. The /C could even penetrate the front hull of T-34s, so A-C would also be able to penetrate the front hull of the M3 at different places, if not at least the 50,8mm drivers front and transmission housing.
I am working on a small little personal project for myself. I am trying to find good proof that there was a tank/tanks being used in Iceland by either the Icelandic government or search and rescue associations.
This all started when me and a friend of mine were chatting one evening on Discord when he happened to mention a SAR association fielding a tank in the past. At first, I thought he was talking about an armoured car gifted by the german government in '01, but it was apparently older.
How do you go about researching something like this. I have tried and tried again, read too many news articles, but each one leads to another dead end.
The closest I got to finding a tank in SAR service was a news article from '69 where some guys were modifying a tank to fit the needs of SAR. I find a long obituary from '97 for a guy who was a part of said SAR association and a lifelong mechanic, but it turns out to have been a big agricultural tractor on tracks :(
so part 3 when?
Was not expecting a part 2 so soon
I might got lost in this but the M3 Lee you were standing next to in the video is one of the first ones right? So why the sign there says it is M3A5? Was it like modified later in its life or something?
I think it’s a mistake. The tank doesn’t have a diesel engine so I have no clue why it’s labeled as an M3A5
@@eta320 That sort of error isn't uncommon. Until recently there was a Sherman on display at CFB Cornwallis in Nova Scotia with a brass plate on the front identifying it as an M4A2 when it's obviously an M4A3E8. It saw service in Korea. I believe it's currently undergoing restoration.
Part 2 already well well well don't mind if i do
A what if, Germany/USA would be an awesome tank.
An Welded M3, German HL174 Engine (450 PS), 5 cm KwK 38 L/42 in the turret, either 7,5 cm KwK 37 L/24, 7,5 cm Fk 16 n.A. L/36 or 7,5 cm K. L/41 in the hull.
Fahrersehklappe 50 instead of the driver hatch in the front plate.
I have a question about the M3's steering gears. From what I recall, M4's used similar diffs to what cars had, due to being made by automotive companies. Or was it the Clectrac thing that's what's referred to a double diff? I always thought of double diffs being the stuff in like, Cromwells.
I've heard so many terms thrown around for what the differential is on the M3/M4. From "Double Differential" to "Cross Drive Transmission" as well as "Cletrac" unfortunately I've yet do dedicate a serious amount of time figuring out if these are all terms for the same thing or if they are different.
@@eta320 Ah yeah, tank steering solutions are wack. I've once spent like 2 weeks just trying to figure out the power paths through them when various clutches or brakes are applied on the more complex systems. Unfortunately a site with really good visual aids stopped being kept online, though it still kinda exists in the internet archive
The engine deck plate of M4 (series) tanks is 12.7mm right?
I have seen pictures and 1 mention, but beyond that its practically not documented. Do you have any more info on it?
Bro not gonna mention the Ram 1 and 2?? Aren’t those technically M3 Lee modifications?
I deemed the RAM too far removed from the M3 to be mentioned in this series.
Is the M3 possibly the most successful and produced multi-gun tank in history?
You shown video and gave factual detail about the M3 in asia that it can climb steep terrain, yet feel vindicated and agreed with the German and Russian reports of the tank not able to climb?
How would that make sense? Just saying.
@@loyalgamer896 The Soviet/German reports are specifically about climbing vertical obstacles like a short wall or a large rock, going head on to a solid surface to go up and over.
However climbing a large hill or steep slope isn’t quite the same, the complaint of the transmission sticking too far out so the tracks can’t grab the obstacle to get up and over don’t really apply since it’s just about torque and traction with the hill.
Gooners 🤝🏻 AFV enthusiasts
Liking "S.P.H."
Ha! You pronounced Knudson with a K sound! XD
13000000 Candle Power = Lumens:163410000
You should do a british tank next! There are so many unique tanks from there.
Or maybe do a vid on the Australian AC1?
Panzer 2 better
Edit: you should totally do a video on the panzer 1 and 2
Than what? It's more of a tankette with 20 mm guns.
Eta do the Patton series of tanks.
Wait Red did it already
T1E1 KWK/88 T77 turet....,,...,,,,,.,,,,,,,..,,,,.,. ,,.,,., .,, ,.,,.,,,..