Odinn: Hey Loki. I need you to do me a solid bro. Loki: I already birthed your horse. That's pretty solid. Odinn: Yea, I know... but I need you to listen to me here. Loki: Ok... Odinn: I need you to kill my son Baldr. Loki: ... Odinn: You will be hated and scorned and no one will understand. Loki: I understand. Odinn: And you can never tell anyone about this. Especially Frigg. Loki: I will do this. (Baldr is slain by his blind brother and goes to Hel) (Loki is chained up by the guts of his son, and is tortured by venom) (RAGNAROK HAPPENS) (Almost all of the gods and humans die) (Baldr is resurrected, along with all the humans in Hel) Baldr: Thanks Loki.
No I don't think, thats so easy. That sounds very much like a pagan version of Jesus dead, with Loki as Judas. I don't trust the story at all. It has been written down by a monk...🙄
So I’ve often considered Loki to be a helpful and even kind trickster who just sometimes doesn’t know when he’s going too far. Eventually when he is punished with the binding and the venom I think this kind of hardens his heart making him live only for revenge and thus bringing about ragnarok.
Hmm, I, myself considered one of the reasons why Loki turned on the gods was because of the poor treatment of his children; Fenrir, Sleipnir, Jörmengandr, and Hel. I don't think we're ever told what kind of relationship he had with them or his more 'human' kids but one would think he at least felt something for them and perhaps he may sought revenge not only for himself but for them as well.
@@silentriot4327 Odin attempts to drown Jörmengandr as a baby and takes Sleipnir as his mount. From Fenrir's imprisonment, we do learn he could speak so could they also speak? And Hel perhaps had the best ending out of all of them, being made a queen but that was in truth a rather roundabout way of banishing her.
He is what he is, spreading chaos sometimes malicious sometimes not. A representations of entropy, the hole wold relies on a chain around Fenrir's neck. Odin spends his time trying to gain knowledge & collect an army. Chaos still wins the word burns, he dies he spent all this time in vain. Óðinn the mad one, manic and so on.
I always read Loki's story as a tale that is a spiral of escalation. As a teacher I often see teens get into feuds/fights or other trouble because of pranks escalating further and further. Loki, to add, has from the get go been the odd one out between the Aesir. Being the offspring off Jotunn, his schemes being way different of a approach than that of the Aesir.
As someone who does leave offering for Loki and some other gods it's nice to see someone else come to similar conclusions of him being satanified by Christian monks.
From what I understand of him. He is often quite misunderstood. Like anubis alot of people depict him as just bad I think. Though if you look into these beings. They are not that bad. In anubis's case. He is actually a good god from what I understand of him. Loki he does wrong but he tries to right his wrongs at least which is something we could take to ourselves. Like if you did something wrong the best you can do is not dwell in the past but learn from the mistakes and be better. The only mistake he couldn't fix was him killing baldr and he couldn't right it or fix the situation because he couldn't bring him back because hel didn't want to release him or something.
I want to say thank you. I worship Loki and he has been guiding me for years now and I discovered Loki is one of my panteon gods. Loki has been guiding me all my life I recieved this intuitive message from him once I got dedicated with my worship to him I feel about 3 years now of dedicated studying and being invested in my research. I put the years worth of his symbolism that he has been leaving me in my past growing up and decided to go into a deep meditation in June of this year. In my third eye visions while under deep meditation I saw his face and heard his voice. He is very attractive and his voice is deep, charming, warm, and welcoming. I had no fear other than feeling surprised and very curious. He has really really messy hair with sections that were neatly organized in braids and worn in a pony tail with bits of hair dangling down in braids. I don't share my personal worship on the deities I worship online that often but I felt really drawn to do so because I felt this was important to me. Also the deity or being I think the statue could be could be Pan. If it is Pan I felt a soul staring at me deeply while you were talking in your video. There is a heavy pressence there in that location.
As a Lokean who has been working with Loki for almost 5 years now, I truly appreciate you making this video! Its so easy to encounter hate within the community (specially from... y'know.. nazis) it's really cool feeling welcome and knowing that you spread all the information as best as you can using the resources that we have and using people's own experiences!
I have been working with Loki for about 6 months. He is actually for balance and very against corruption. Being an individual, it's hard for one person to fight corruption when it's everywhere. He played tricks in attempt to expose it. Not everything he did worked, clearly and many DID view him as evil. It's hard to see truth sometimes. I find all this interesting.
I must say I have been slightly distracted through out to video because of the faun but I did like the it. As the second video in the series, "is Loki evil?", I am going to go with: it's a misconception because of the jewish-christian duality of good vs evil. For the Norse mithology it was orden vs chaos.
I appreciate your presentation…You always bring such energy and insight in all videos..You most certainly, take seriously, the information you share…Always look forward to your videos ..
Thank you so much. I find agreeing with many things that you had said. I myself have found inconsistencies, but not just Loki, but other Gods as well. I don't trust the christian translators because it seems their lot in life is to make them evil. Thank you for your insight and enlightenment.
Actually Thor and Loki were still close after the cutting of Sif's hair. While it's very difficult to establish a concrete timeline in the mythos we can make a loose one based off of characters reactions to each other and artifacts in other stories. Loki and Thor are still friends in the tale of Thor getting his hammer back from the Giants and we know this has to happen after Loki cut Sif's hair because otherwise he wouldn't have the hammer. They were even friends after Loki's children were kidnapped because they are friends in the tale of their journey to ugtard Loki in which Jormungandr is mentioned and already wrapped around the world. Out seems they were friends up until the very end. Also while the idea that Loki had a crush on Sif isn't the craziest thing I've heard it doesn't sit well with me mainly because of he did it would cause tension in the relationship between the three of them and they seem to get along quite well. Unless they practiced polyamory which wouldn't surprise me as pre Christian Norse people were far more liberal about sex and these books were written after the monks visited. So he probably just did it because they thought it would be funny or as a way of getting back at something. And I have the Jackson Crawford translation of the poetic Edda and in the lokisenna or chapter 23 Loki dose confess to killing Baldur. However it's virtually impossible to tell how much of what he said was true or just to stir up trouble as he references sleeping with people's wives which seems out of character and also if he did it seems that would've been mentioned earlier. Really the whole poem he seems out of character due to drink and Heimdall and Idunn seem to think this as well. As a Lokean which who does work with Loki my own theory is that Loki was very helpful if childish and mischievous up until his children were taken from him, and since he never got compensation for that this caused an overwhelming feeling of grief and betrayal. He did kill Balder as his way of claiming his compensation. The whole story seems another case of trying to avoid your fate and ultimately sealing it. The Aesir represent society, Loki represents the needed chaos and change to help society meet the needs of everyone. Ragnarok was needed to cleanse the world but Odin tried to stop it. Thus betraying Loki and making it worse.
My favorite 'bits' are the facts, what you've dug up and the sources. And then the experiences/connections you and the folk have had. Hope you enjoy your stay over there mate!
Yeah........Loki is my patron Loki is a complicated god they are neither good or evil they are balance both male and female, good and evil, dark and light. They (Loki) has his own hall Nothing new here to me but great to have this information out there Fabulous video I can’t wait to see the rest of your series on Loki.
hi i know that your comment is old but loki is still a god i wanna know and connect more, would you mind givin some recomendentions on books or other places to reaserch about them ? ive personally never heard about their hall so i would love to know more
I always see Loki as the chaotic element of life and the stories. Óðinn seems more like the element of order (Alföðr may actually mean All-Orderer instead of All-Father, Dr. Crawford made a video on that), which makes both these Gods inherently bound. You cannot have order without chaos and vice versa, just like how you cannot have light without darkness. To me, this is the reason that the two are considered blood-brothers as revealed in Lokasenna. They both have to keep each other in check, too much chaos is not good, because everything just turns into a mess and burns to the ground, but too much order is also not good, because every little pathological thing inside a system or society will remain forever to spread its toxicity. A balance is required between the two to create something successful. Also, the name Loki is related to the English word 'lock', which already kind of gives away that he is supposed to close the stories and should be responsible for the ending (i.e. Ragnarök). Side note: there is also an Icelandic magical stave called Kaupaloki, that helps you when *closing* a business deal ('að kaupa' means 'to buy'). This association with closing, also plays in nicely with his relation with Óðinn, who is (partly) responsible for the creation of the world. Óðinn created order out of that chaos and Loki returns it back to chaos. That's just how life goes as well, when you are born, that creates order out of nothing. Then as life goes on, you will return back to chaos when you die. That's a good thing, because it allows the next generation to keep building. That's why Loki is not a source of evil, but just chaos.
I am so glad...I came across this video. I have dreams about Loki for a week now and I have been trying to understand why. I am learning more about him to have a better understanding to why I might be getting dreams of him.
Loki is a very interessting god/energy inside us. As a TFT/EFT practisioner I noticed that Loki makes me aware of the clients traumas much faster. (I get the words that triggers the trauma so I can release the trauma with TFT) He is the littel brother energy that set you off by pressing the rigth buttons. A good god to have as a TFT healer. I'm greatefull for Loki is helping me identifing my clients trauma faster and thereby giving healing. That is also why Loki has a bond with Odin, because all the dead people Odin collects in Valhal are the traumas people get over a lifetime. Soulparts trapped - frozen. Loki triggers the trauma so we can see them and then defrost them. Interessting Freya get half all the dead people coming to Valhal, because half of all trauma people have are related to sex. Loki is a very important energy for healing trauma. He is the only god that knowns where your hurts are. Thank you Loki!😍
Great video! I hadn't noticed that the death of Balder is not attributed to Loki in the Poetic Edda, the theory makes a lot of sense actually! I wonder what explanation is given for the death of Balder in this case?
There is a story, recounted in the appendices of a book entitled "The Norse Myths," wherein Loki had no part in Baldr's death. His death is due to a feud between him and Hod, who is not blind, over Nanna, whom both of them desire. Hod kills Baldr with his sword, named Mistletine. It is hinted in the account that this story is older than the Snorri account. I hope this is helpful.
Personally, I don't think Sif is trying to play peacemaker. I think she's acting as peacemaker in an attempt to stop Loki from saying anything about her, but Loki gives no f**ks and is airing EVERYONES dirty laundry. Making it apparent that they are not as innocent and "clean" as they think or would like others to think. He, I feel, is making a point to say, not in so many words, that they are as "bad" as he is and that he's sick of being singled out.
I'm also pretty sure her and Loki slept together and she didn't want to be stigmatized for it or ostracized for being a hypocrite. Instead of owning up to her mistakes she tried to throw him under the bus as well. But I agree with these assumptions. Loki is having none of that. She's playing victim while sleeping with her Husband's best friend. She's being holier than thou.Everyone else gets to do it, why can't he?!
22:45 What's so weird is years of studying norse myth & I'd never heard of the otter story either - just last night I read the section of Loki Agent of Asgard where the comic has a version of the otter story, and then literally today just saw this video talking about the otter story. No coincidences, as they say
So, for Loki's own story being perceived by certain individuals, this has happened, negatively, due to the unfortunate fact, about certain figures; hadn't realistically been too fond of his own actions. Because of this, they had fabricated certain stories to even; make Loki out to be, much more horrific; than, his usually wholesome actions. This even circles back to when, his mouth had been sewn shut, for; speaking the truth, and he had been shunned due to him; speaking his truth. This is very informative video; thank you for creating this amazing video, truly.☮
I love the Otter and the Ring story!!! I appreciate you doing these videos. I will be donating to Patreon soon. I can't wait to have early access to everything.
I love Lokasenna as a story, as a piece of literature. It does several things. One is a story of an epic breakup fight. Loki is telling the gods that while they were happy to take his help, they never really adopted him as one of their own, they don’t like or respect him, they just use him. He is obviously really upset about it and this leads to an escalating cycle of overshare, and at the end he has burned all his bridges. By the way, my version has an exchange between him and Frigga (Odins wife; Baldurs mom) where she is trying to get him to slow down and stop making everything worse for himself, and his response is that she wouldn’t say that if she knew that he’s responsible for Baldur being dead and unable to return. Her answer is really terse. About ”I did not know that. I do now.” So that’s another thing about Lokasenna, it is a story of the most grandiose self sabotage in mythology. Which is completely in character, since poor impulse control and inability to consider long time consequences is one of Lokis hallmarks as a trickster. Plus, he can be really mean. You can call it high int, low wis, or you can put it down as the price for being the god of anti social personality disorder. It is also a really funny recount of everything that the author considers bad or shameful about their gods. Delivered in a semi safe way since it is coming out of Lokis mouth. ”What? No! I never said that Odin is a backstabbing bastard, Brage is a wuss and Freya a total slut. It was Loki who said that!” Often done while referencing other stories, for the meta satisfaction for our inner nerd. Finally it gives really good characterization for a lot of the gods, as Lokis taunts move around the table, giving them each an opportunity to show how they respond. Some get angry, some frightened, some try to argue that what he is doing is immoral, others try to reason with him. Odin almost seem to think it’s funny as he trades insults right back, whereas Thor is becoming so angry he’s about to lose control and violate hospitality. All in all one of the best bits from the Poetic Edda.
Loki is a fun name to render in Sanskrit. lokiH vancanadevaH --> Loki is the god of trickery loke, aham tvA loke -->Loki! I am looking at you (loke is vocative of Loki but is homophonic to Sanskrit "I look") lokiH bhAkSAsuracamUm nayati rAgnarokaprAlaye --> Loki leads the Jotun army during Ragnarok-destruction.
The thing that's confusing about that is Loki has helped Thor in journeys where Thor has his hammer. Thor wouldn't have had his hammer until Sifs hair was cut
Which is interesting in itself, because clearly both Odin and the killing of Baldr are elements in the Nibelungenlied, in the form of Hagen von Tronje and Siegfried, respectively. (Yes, I know it's mixed up, but still.)
I’m new to this, I have always found this fascinating… I also have no connection to the Christian faith… Norse paganism seems to call to me. One thing I was wondering… what are Loki’s origins… how did he end up with the aesir gods?
I avoided interacting with Loki due to the popularity of the Marvel Universe Loki, as anytime you mention him that’s what people think of. That said, HE ended up choosing to interact with me, along with Hel as well. I refuse the concept of a “patron deity” within heathenry, I’m now heavily drawn towards Loki/Hel due to that interaction….
My wife says loki been bringing us ill luck. Idk if I'm enough for his appetite so I'm doubtful. Should I give him an offering just in case? Second, I could really use some boon to help my family find a new place to rent, any suggestion on whom to ask for help for my families home and hearth?
This is 100% personal opinion from a random dude you don’t know in the comments of TH-cam so do with it what you will; regardless here’s my opinion. I’d say give an offering to him of something you think he’d enjoy, (I give him lemon juice...but that’s a long story.)and instead of asking for help or asking him to “stop” confirm with him your awareness of his presence. Let him know you know he’s there and that his “Ill will” hasn’t gone unnoticed. From my own personal experiences, Loki doesn’t take kindly to being told how to behave. Even if that isn’t necessarily the way it was meant. That’s the way he takes it. Rather I find that he wants to help. But Loki being Loki before he helps you; he messes with you to see what he can get away with. The longer it goes the more brazen he gets. But once you make it clear that “hey I see what you’re doing..is all this fuckery funny to you?” (My words. Don’t have to be yours.) He’ll reward you. I feel like calling him out on his shit, is kind of like his test of worthiness. At the same time, this is Loki so the way he helps you may not seem like help at first. As for who to ask for help for your family’s home and health, go with your heart and what you feel. That’s the best advice I can give for any of this really. But personally, I don’t think Freya would be a bad choice.
@@CurrentGenGaming He also doesn't like being accused of doing stuff he didn't do. Being scapegoated is never a good feeling, for anybody, nor is it a burden that's easy to bear. He's borne it entirely too often.
Man, once my financials get a little more secure I’ll be joining your patron. One of these days when I’m passing through KY I’ll have to buy you some beers and tell you a few stories. Coincidentally, I was in KY at the time when I had my first experience and came to the faith back in 07.
Thanks for this! I don't know much about the Norse gods yet but you have a really enjoyable style of telling these various tales. Out of curiosity, what part of Germany were you in in this video? (Edit: nevermind, you mentioned Munich at the tale end)
I play a videogame called Smite, and I was wondering if you could do a review of the Nordic gods, and see how accurate they historically (since the game tries to focus on historic characterization)?
Fun series. I have read the book and loved it. I despise the tv show though. Some interesting thoughts and theories to how gods work that I quite like. But in the end still a fantasy
Loki isnt an evil god,just a god associated with necesary change. The evil was attributed to him throught christianity. Loki is a god of cunning and mischief.
Call me nitpicky, but I refuse to read either of the Snorri versions of the Prose and Poetic Edda. Simply because he poisons the tales with his Christianity. So, I find a more truthful version of the Eddas. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with them, but at least I don't have to contend with a snarky Christian who just wanted to ruin another religion/beliefs. Yes, Neil Gaiman's version of 'Norse Mythology' is basically the same as Snorri's but it's told in a more believable way and it doesn't slander the gods nearly as much as the original Eddas. There's also a book called 'The Gospel of Loki' which tells the stories in both Eddas from Loki's point of view. I can't recall the author, but I know it's a woman. It's very well done and even humorous. She put out a sequel to it but I haven't had a chance to read it yet. Just know that old Snorri is, in my humble opinion, not the best way to learn about the Norse gods. While the material may come from the original Eddas, the way it is written/narrated makes a huge difference. Most people don't like being manipulated by way of misdirection or being insulted. So, I avoid everything the bible thumping Christians support.
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but aren't all the Norse gods jotunns? After all, isn't Odin a giant, too? What's the difference between Odin's giant blood and Loki's giant blood? Most of the Aesir (if not all) are giants. Why are they warring with their own kind? Thor's mother (not Frigg) is a giant, after all. Odin's father, Bor, was a giant. So why the self hate? If it's explained somewhere, I must have missed it.
Odin was half jötunn "giant" & aesir, The jötunn are often described to be human size and good looking. Ymir the first jötunn was created by melted ice. Ymirs sweat (ice giants water?) created more giants (seems to be done quite quickly) Odin saw this as a threat killed & Ymir. It's a bit complicated tho there is a lot o giant "races" personally i think Odin sees them as a threat, and it seems that they joined Loki to free Fenrir's so he was probably right 🤷♂️
Hey just want to say, I really like your channel and a lot of your videos. However I'm going to have to pushback on your claim that the Poetic edda does not mention Loki killing Baldur. In the Lokasenna, stanza 28, Loki tells Frigg "Frigg, do you want me to say still more about my wicked deeds; for I brought it about that you will never again see Baldur ride to the halls." This supports Snorri's story in that while Loki wasn't Bladur's actual killer, he was certainly the one who orchestrated it. Hope this helps your quest for knowledge and seeking the truth.
I just bought 3 days ago a honda cb1000r in red colour and I want to name my bike Frigg.. I want to buy a red Keychain with her name and baptize her this way.. is there a way to officially name something after a God?
The gods have a cyclical layer it then. After ragnarok it is said Baldr returns to Midgard. If Bladr can return I think it’s safe to assume many of the gods can come back in one way. I cover this theory a little more in my Ragnarok video. It all depends on if you think Ragnarok has happened, is yet to happen, or happens over and over again. Personally I think it happens (paganism ended for the most part a thousand years ago) and poof a thousand years later it seems to be making a big return. Looks like a cycle to me!
You should give a review of Ragnarok season 2. I have watched the second season and enjoyed it much more than the first, but would like to hear your thoughts on it.
I absolutely love that show! The 2nd season definitely gets more exciting! I'm curious about your thoughts on Freya? I really thought it was Gry but now maybe it's Iman? Waiting for season 3 is torture! Even though you know the story. Will the writers play it that way or not!?
Been on a witchcraft and Pagan journey for about two and a half years now. Despite my Norse heritage, I didnt connect with any Norse gods right away, But, my main witchcraft patron quickly became Persephone. I recently discovered Sigyn. I quickly bonded with her and saw similarities to Persephone. Everything suddenly clicked into place. I think I have my main Pagan deity now :)
I think that Loki sets up trouble so that he can swoop in as the hero and get recognition. But there's also times where I think he's just saving his ass.
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Odinn: Hey Loki. I need you to do me a solid bro.
Loki: I already birthed your horse. That's pretty solid.
Odinn: Yea, I know... but I need you to listen to me here.
Loki: Ok...
Odinn: I need you to kill my son Baldr.
Loki: ...
Odinn: You will be hated and scorned and no one will understand.
Loki: I understand.
Odinn: And you can never tell anyone about this. Especially Frigg.
Loki: I will do this.
(Baldr is slain by his blind brother and goes to Hel)
(Loki is chained up by the guts of his son, and is tortured by venom)
(RAGNAROK HAPPENS)
(Almost all of the gods and humans die)
(Baldr is resurrected, along with all the humans in Hel)
Baldr: Thanks Loki.
No I don't think, thats so easy. That sounds very much like a pagan version of Jesus dead, with Loki as Judas. I don't trust the story at all. It has been written down by a monk...🙄
@@mijalheinrich4331 my thoughts on all things Snorri
So I’ve often considered Loki to be a helpful and even kind trickster who just sometimes doesn’t know when he’s going too far. Eventually when he is punished with the binding and the venom I think this kind of hardens his heart making him live only for revenge and thus bringing about ragnarok.
Hmm, I, myself considered one of the reasons why Loki turned on the gods was because of the poor treatment of his children; Fenrir, Sleipnir, Jörmengandr, and Hel. I don't think we're ever told what kind of relationship he had with them or his more 'human' kids but one would think he at least felt something for them and perhaps he may sought revenge not only for himself but for them as well.
@@kullos4 I do think that was also a big part of it
@@silentriot4327 Odin attempts to drown Jörmengandr as a baby and takes Sleipnir as his mount. From Fenrir's imprisonment, we do learn he could speak so could they also speak? And Hel perhaps had the best ending out of all of them, being made a queen but that was in truth a rather roundabout way of banishing her.
@@kullos4 that sucks also very true and I agree that those things may have also been part to what turned him against the gods
He is what he is, spreading chaos sometimes malicious sometimes not. A representations of entropy, the hole wold relies on a chain around Fenrir's neck. Odin spends his time trying to gain knowledge & collect an army. Chaos still wins the word burns, he dies he spent all this time in vain. Óðinn the mad one, manic and so on.
I always read Loki's story as a tale that is a spiral of escalation. As a teacher I often see teens get into feuds/fights or other trouble because of pranks escalating further and further. Loki, to add, has from the get go been the odd one out between the Aesir. Being the offspring off Jotunn, his schemes being way different of a approach than that of the Aesir.
As someone who does leave offering for Loki and some other gods it's nice to see someone else come to similar conclusions of him being satanified by Christian monks.
From what I understand of him. He is often quite misunderstood. Like anubis alot of people depict him as just bad I think. Though if you look into these beings. They are not that bad. In anubis's case. He is actually a good god from what I understand of him. Loki he does wrong but he tries to right his wrongs at least which is something we could take to ourselves. Like if you did something wrong the best you can do is not dwell in the past but learn from the mistakes and be better. The only mistake he couldn't fix was him killing baldr and he couldn't right it or fix the situation because he couldn't bring him back because hel didn't want to release him or something.
I want to say thank you. I worship Loki and he has been guiding me for years now and I discovered Loki is one of my panteon gods. Loki has been guiding me all my life I recieved this intuitive message from him once I got dedicated with my worship to him I feel about 3 years now of dedicated studying and being invested in my research. I put the years worth of his symbolism that he has been leaving me in my past growing up and decided to go into a deep meditation in June of this year.
In my third eye visions while under deep meditation I saw his face and heard his voice. He is very attractive and his voice is deep, charming, warm, and welcoming. I had no fear other than feeling surprised and very curious. He has really really messy hair with sections that were neatly organized in braids and worn in a pony tail with bits of hair dangling down in braids. I don't share my personal worship on the deities I worship online that often but I felt really drawn to do so because I felt this was important to me. Also the deity or being I think the statue could be could be Pan. If it is Pan I felt a soul staring at me deeply while you were talking in your video. There is a heavy pressence there in that location.
As a Lokean who has been working with Loki for almost 5 years now, I truly appreciate you making this video! Its so easy to encounter hate within the community (specially from... y'know.. nazis) it's really cool feeling welcome and knowing that you spread all the information as best as you can using the resources that we have and using people's own experiences!
The lore says that Loki is an enemy. The Nazis would have loved Loki. Being evil and chaotic after all.
^^^^ Let's just all ignore that hogwash. Hail loki! :D
@@breannaallen5933 brutal lol
@@seanmichaelfarrell6023 as respectfully as I could put it. He's seriously awesome. 😅
I have been working with Loki for about 6 months. He is actually for balance and very against corruption. Being an individual, it's hard for one person to fight corruption when it's everywhere. He played tricks in attempt to expose it. Not everything he did worked, clearly and many DID view him as evil. It's hard to see truth sometimes. I find all this interesting.
I must say I have been slightly distracted through out to video because of the faun but I did like the it. As the second video in the series, "is Loki evil?", I am going to go with: it's a misconception because of the jewish-christian duality of good vs evil. For the Norse mithology it was orden vs chaos.
Thor and Loki must have been traveling together after Sif’s hair was cut, or else Thor would not have his hammer right?
Fair point! Hmm makes their split all the more interesting then
@@TheWisdomOfOdin I agree!
Well thor just told loki that he will bash his head in if he doesn't do something and loki just booked it outta there
Loki isn't "bad/evil", misunderstood yes, unique yes.
I appreciate your presentation…You always bring such energy and insight in all videos..You most certainly, take seriously, the information you share…Always look forward to your videos ..
Thank you for your kind words, glad I can help!
Thank you so much. I find agreeing with many things that you had said. I myself have found inconsistencies, but not just Loki, but other Gods as well. I don't trust the christian translators because it seems their lot in life is to make them evil. Thank you for your insight and enlightenment.
That’s just a horrible take and very very inaccurate.
Actually Thor and Loki were still close after the cutting of Sif's hair. While it's very difficult to establish a concrete timeline in the mythos we can make a loose one based off of characters reactions to each other and artifacts in other stories. Loki and Thor are still friends in the tale of Thor getting his hammer back from the Giants and we know this has to happen after Loki cut Sif's hair because otherwise he wouldn't have the hammer. They were even friends after Loki's children were kidnapped because they are friends in the tale of their journey to ugtard Loki in which Jormungandr is mentioned and already wrapped around the world. Out seems they were friends up until the very end.
Also while the idea that Loki had a crush on Sif isn't the craziest thing I've heard it doesn't sit well with me mainly because of he did it would cause tension in the relationship between the three of them and they seem to get along quite well. Unless they practiced polyamory which wouldn't surprise me as pre Christian Norse people were far more liberal about sex and these books were written after the monks visited. So he probably just did it because they thought it would be funny or as a way of getting back at something.
And I have the Jackson Crawford translation of the poetic Edda and in the lokisenna or chapter 23 Loki dose confess to killing Baldur. However it's virtually impossible to tell how much of what he said was true or just to stir up trouble as he references sleeping with people's wives which seems out of character and also if he did it seems that would've been mentioned earlier. Really the whole poem he seems out of character due to drink and Heimdall and Idunn seem to think this as well.
As a Lokean which who does work with Loki my own theory is that Loki was very helpful if childish and mischievous up until his children were taken from him, and since he never got compensation for that this caused an overwhelming feeling of grief and betrayal. He did kill Balder as his way of claiming his compensation. The whole story seems another case of trying to avoid your fate and ultimately sealing it. The Aesir represent society, Loki represents the needed chaos and change to help society meet the needs of everyone. Ragnarok was needed to cleanse the world but Odin tried to stop it. Thus betraying Loki and making it worse.
My favorite 'bits' are the facts, what you've dug up and the sources. And then the experiences/connections you and the folk have had. Hope you enjoy your stay over there mate!
I've actually heard of the Otter and the Ring! It was in the Tolkien lectures at uni
Hail odin
Yeah........Loki is my patron Loki is a complicated god they are neither good or evil they are balance both male and female, good and evil, dark and light.
They (Loki) has his own hall
Nothing new here to me but great to have this information out there
Fabulous video I can’t wait to see the rest of your series on Loki.
hi i know that your comment is old but loki is still a god i wanna know and connect more, would you mind givin some recomendentions on books or other places to reaserch about them ? ive personally never heard about their hall so i would love to know more
Jacob, that was cool hiding behind the statue. Hail Odin the Allfather. Skàl💀🍻
I always see Loki as the chaotic element of life and the stories. Óðinn seems more like the element of order (Alföðr may actually mean All-Orderer instead of All-Father, Dr. Crawford made a video on that), which makes both these Gods inherently bound. You cannot have order without chaos and vice versa, just like how you cannot have light without darkness. To me, this is the reason that the two are considered blood-brothers as revealed in Lokasenna. They both have to keep each other in check, too much chaos is not good, because everything just turns into a mess and burns to the ground, but too much order is also not good, because every little pathological thing inside a system or society will remain forever to spread its toxicity. A balance is required between the two to create something successful.
Also, the name Loki is related to the English word 'lock', which already kind of gives away that he is supposed to close the stories and should be responsible for the ending (i.e. Ragnarök). Side note: there is also an Icelandic magical stave called Kaupaloki, that helps you when *closing* a business deal ('að kaupa' means 'to buy'). This association with closing, also plays in nicely with his relation with Óðinn, who is (partly) responsible for the creation of the world. Óðinn created order out of that chaos and Loki returns it back to chaos. That's just how life goes as well, when you are born, that creates order out of nothing. Then as life goes on, you will return back to chaos when you die. That's a good thing, because it allows the next generation to keep building.
That's why Loki is not a source of evil, but just chaos.
Please oh please would love to see one on hel. She is a good one to educate about
I am so glad...I came across this video. I have dreams about Loki for a week now and I have been trying to understand why. I am learning more about him to have a better understanding to why I might be getting dreams of him.
Loki is a very interessting god/energy inside us. As a TFT/EFT practisioner I noticed that Loki makes me aware of the clients traumas much faster. (I get the words that triggers the trauma so I can release the trauma with TFT) He is the littel brother energy that set you off by pressing the rigth buttons. A good god to have as a TFT healer. I'm greatefull for Loki is helping me identifing my clients trauma faster and thereby giving healing. That is also why Loki has a bond with Odin, because all the dead people Odin collects in Valhal are the traumas people get over a lifetime. Soulparts trapped - frozen. Loki triggers the trauma so we can see them and then defrost them. Interessting Freya get half all the dead people coming to Valhal, because half of all trauma people have are related to sex. Loki is a very important energy for healing trauma. He is the only god that knowns where your hurts are. Thank you Loki!😍
You’ve got my attention. Thanks brotha. I love ur support and connection
thank you :) you actually did what i asked for. a rare thing in youtube, at least for me.
Glad I could be of service!
24:40 fun fact: Tolkien actually used the Poetic Edda for inspiration for his LOTR works
Great video! I hadn't noticed that the death of Balder is not attributed to Loki in the Poetic Edda, the theory makes a lot of sense actually! I wonder what explanation is given for the death of Balder in this case?
There is a story, recounted in the appendices of a book entitled "The Norse Myths," wherein Loki had no part in Baldr's death. His death is due to a feud between him and Hod, who is not blind, over Nanna, whom both of them desire. Hod kills Baldr with his sword, named Mistletine. It is hinted in the account that this story is older than the Snorri account. I hope this is helpful.
@@phyllisdicks9830 that's very helpful and very interesting, thank you so much!
@@anamargaridaoliveira3626 You're very welcome.
@@phyllisdicks9830 Very interesting, I can almost see Hod blaming Loki for "influencing" him.
@@WhoTookMyMirr Lots of people want to blame Loki for something, so, yeah. I can see that.
Personally, I don't think Sif is trying to play peacemaker. I think she's acting as peacemaker in an attempt to stop Loki from saying anything about her, but Loki gives no f**ks and is airing EVERYONES dirty laundry. Making it apparent that they are not as innocent and "clean" as they think or would like others to think. He, I feel, is making a point to say, not in so many words, that they are as "bad" as he is and that he's sick of being singled out.
I'm also pretty sure her and Loki slept together and she didn't want to be stigmatized for it or ostracized for being a hypocrite. Instead of owning up to her mistakes she tried to throw him under the bus as well. But I agree with these assumptions. Loki is having none of that. She's playing victim while sleeping with her Husband's best friend. She's being holier than thou.Everyone else gets to do it, why can't he?!
22:45 What's so weird is years of studying norse myth & I'd never heard of the otter story either - just last night I read the section of Loki Agent of Asgard where the comic has a version of the otter story, and then literally today just saw this video talking about the otter story. No coincidences, as they say
#1 underrated TH-cam. You got me fascinated and frankly obsessed with learning more Norce mythology. Thanks Jacob.
So, for Loki's own story being perceived by certain individuals, this has happened, negatively, due to the unfortunate fact, about certain figures; hadn't realistically been too fond of his own actions. Because of this, they had fabricated certain stories to even; make Loki out to be, much more horrific; than, his usually wholesome actions. This even circles back to when, his mouth had been sewn shut, for; speaking the truth, and he had been shunned due to him; speaking his truth. This is very informative video; thank you for creating this amazing video, truly.☮
Informative video! I had a few good chuckles with the disruptions, Loki was all over this video 😁
Thank you for everything!!!
I love all of your Videos Thank you for Makeing them SKOL x
Loved the influence of norse myths on Lord of The Rings! Really cool story and references!
I heard that the heart Loki ate could have been Gullveig. The Aesir burned her 3 times.
Amazing video, congratulations!
I love the Otter and the Ring story!!! I appreciate you doing these videos. I will be donating to Patreon soon. I can't wait to have early access to everything.
I’m glad you enjoy my videos 🍻 and thank you for considering Patreon in the future!
@@TheWisdomOfOdin Gods be good I will have a great job and will be able to help you to continue to your channel.
Thank you for this very informative video!
Have you seen the video Arith Härger did on Loki?
They are all init together something we can learn from.
Very informative! Thank you for posting
I appreciate it and you sir,
Thanks
Great imfo thank you
I love Lokasenna as a story, as a piece of literature.
It does several things. One is a story of an epic breakup fight. Loki is telling the gods that while they were happy to take his help, they never really adopted him as one of their own, they don’t like or respect him, they just use him. He is obviously really upset about it and this leads to an escalating cycle of overshare, and at the end he has burned all his bridges.
By the way, my version has an exchange between him and Frigga (Odins wife; Baldurs mom) where she is trying to get him to slow down and stop making everything worse for himself, and his response is that she wouldn’t say that if she knew that he’s responsible for Baldur being dead and unable to return. Her answer is really terse. About ”I did not know that. I do now.”
So that’s another thing about Lokasenna, it is a story of the most grandiose self sabotage in mythology. Which is completely in character, since poor impulse control and inability to consider long time consequences is one of Lokis hallmarks as a trickster. Plus, he can be really mean. You can call it high int, low wis, or you can put it down as the price for being the god of anti social personality disorder.
It is also a really funny recount of everything that the author considers bad or shameful about their gods. Delivered in a semi safe way since it is coming out of Lokis mouth. ”What? No! I never said that Odin is a backstabbing bastard, Brage is a wuss and Freya a total slut. It was Loki who said that!” Often done while referencing other stories, for the meta satisfaction for our inner nerd.
Finally it gives really good characterization for a lot of the gods, as Lokis taunts move around the table, giving them each an opportunity to show how they respond. Some get angry, some frightened, some try to argue that what he is doing is immoral, others try to reason with him. Odin almost seem to think it’s funny as he trades insults right back, whereas Thor is becoming so angry he’s about to lose control and violate hospitality.
All in all one of the best bits from the Poetic Edda.
Good video. Looking forward to the rest.
The otter story is in the book by jasckson Crawford- The saga of the Volsungs with the saga of Ragnar Lothbbrok
Oh wow never realized that! (Only read Saga of the Volsungs once)
@@TheWisdomOfOdin chapter 14 page 26 brother
Beautiful stories all of them. Skal
Really enjoy your channel. Keep up the good work & stay srong.
Loki is very playful and sweet and loveable but he has his flaws just like us
Great video! Cheers 🍻
Definitely interesting! I adore the research!
Loki is a fun name to render in Sanskrit.
lokiH vancanadevaH --> Loki is the god of trickery
loke, aham tvA loke -->Loki! I am looking at you (loke is vocative of Loki but is homophonic to Sanskrit "I look")
lokiH bhAkSAsuracamUm nayati rAgnarokaprAlaye --> Loki leads the Jotun army during Ragnarok-destruction.
I have heard the story of the otter and the salmon before. It was in my Mythology class in college.
The thing that's confusing about that is Loki has helped Thor in journeys where Thor has his hammer. Thor wouldn't have had his hammer until Sifs hair was cut
whoa I'm very early! thank you for making the videos that you do
Love your videos! Hail!
Wonder if any Deutscher stared and recognized anything Jacob was talking about.
Oh they definitely stared! I’m sure they recognized some things. There was an outdoor market 20 feet from me lol
So 2 ravens keep coming back and chilling in the front of my house is that a good sign
O course!!! The gods are among you!!!
try offering peanuts to them, even if they aren't messengers it's good to have corvids on your side.
@@WhoTookMyMirr thanks for the tip! I sometimes go to the forest and give chicken legs to the Ravens, for an offering to Odin
I’m not sure if they are or not but I always regard them with respect just in case it is the allfather who sees through those eyes
I hope you don't mind me taking notes on things I didn't know either I trust your research
I am honored to be worthy of note taking!
@@TheWisdomOfOdin no thank you sir for expanding my knowledge that much more from what I know it's fantastic
@@TheWisdomOfOdin do you worship Loki?
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I think that tale of the ring is also the basis of the Niebelungenlied
Which is interesting in itself, because clearly both Odin and the killing of Baldr are elements in the Nibelungenlied, in the form of Hagen von Tronje and Siegfried, respectively. (Yes, I know it's mixed up, but still.)
no it is 720 for asher
lets meet asap and put this puzzle together
Good keep it up good format
Pan fits right into my pagan mind!
Awesome !!
I’m new to this, I have always found this fascinating… I also have no connection to the Christian faith… Norse paganism seems to call to me. One thing I was wondering… what are Loki’s origins… how did he end up with the aesir gods?
Every time I look up stuff on loki a gigant fucking spider appears and scares the shit outa me 😑
I’m gonna be a superhero btw so I’m not a devil.. but yes, ofc I could be playing one of my tricks lol
I avoided interacting with Loki due to the popularity of the Marvel Universe Loki, as anytime you mention him that’s what people think of. That said, HE ended up choosing to interact with me, along with Hel as well. I refuse the concept of a “patron deity” within heathenry, I’m now heavily drawn towards Loki/Hel due to that interaction….
My wife says loki been bringing us ill luck. Idk if I'm enough for his appetite so I'm doubtful. Should I give him an offering just in case? Second, I could really use some boon to help my family find a new place to rent, any suggestion on whom to ask for help for my families home and hearth?
I mean, it cant hurt to do an offering, can it?
I explore these questions in Friday’s video!
He likes pineapple juice.
This is 100% personal opinion from a random dude you don’t know in the comments of TH-cam so do with it what you will; regardless here’s my opinion.
I’d say give an offering to him of something you think he’d enjoy, (I give him lemon juice...but that’s a long story.)and instead of asking for help or asking him to “stop” confirm with him your awareness of his presence. Let him know you know he’s there and that his “Ill will” hasn’t gone unnoticed.
From my own personal experiences, Loki doesn’t take kindly to being told how to behave. Even if that isn’t necessarily the way it was meant. That’s the way he takes it. Rather I find that he wants to help. But Loki being Loki before he helps you; he messes with you to see what he can get away with. The longer it goes the more brazen he gets. But once you make it clear that “hey I see what you’re doing..is all this fuckery funny to you?” (My words. Don’t have to be yours.)
He’ll reward you. I feel like calling him out on his shit, is kind of like his test of worthiness. At the same time, this is Loki so the way he helps you may not seem like help at first.
As for who to ask for help for your family’s home and health, go with your heart and what you feel. That’s the best advice I can give for any of this really. But personally, I don’t think Freya would be a bad choice.
@@CurrentGenGaming He also doesn't like being accused of doing stuff he didn't do. Being scapegoated is never a good feeling, for anybody, nor is it a burden that's easy to bear. He's borne it entirely too often.
Man, once my financials get a little more secure I’ll be joining your patron. One of these days when I’m passing through KY I’ll have to buy you some beers and tell you a few stories. Coincidentally, I was in KY at the time when I had my first experience and came to the faith back in 07.
In spring with Loki, I’m curious to know more about his wife Sigyn:/Sif?
Thanks for this! I don't know much about the Norse gods yet but you have a really enjoyable style of telling these various tales.
Out of curiosity, what part of Germany were you in in this video? (Edit: nevermind, you mentioned Munich at the tale end)
I play a videogame called Smite, and I was wondering if you could do a review of the Nordic gods, and see how accurate they historically (since the game tries to focus on historic characterization)?
🌎Serpent🐉 ODIN calls me JERA green lightning ⚡ bolt
Locks keep people honest.
Haglas óðinn
hey just wanted to ask what's your view on the American gods series also love your videos
Fun series. I have read the book and loved it. I despise the tv show though. Some interesting thoughts and theories to how gods work that I quite like. But in the end still a fantasy
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Loki isnt an evil god,just a god associated with necesary change. The evil was attributed to him throught christianity. Loki is a god of cunning and mischief.
Call me nitpicky, but I refuse to read either of the Snorri versions of the Prose and Poetic Edda. Simply because he poisons the tales with his Christianity. So, I find a more truthful version of the Eddas. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with them, but at least I don't have to contend with a snarky Christian who just wanted to ruin another religion/beliefs. Yes, Neil Gaiman's version of 'Norse Mythology' is basically the same as Snorri's but it's told in a more believable way and it doesn't slander the gods nearly as much as the original Eddas. There's also a book called 'The Gospel of Loki' which tells the stories in both Eddas from Loki's point of view. I can't recall the author, but I know it's a woman. It's very well done and even humorous. She put out a sequel to it but I haven't had a chance to read it yet.
Just know that old Snorri is, in my humble opinion, not the best way to learn about the Norse gods. While the material may come from the original Eddas, the way it is written/narrated makes a huge difference. Most people don't like being manipulated by way of misdirection or being insulted. So, I avoid everything the bible thumping Christians support.
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Personally I like Loki
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Correct me if I'm mistaken, but aren't all the Norse gods jotunns? After all, isn't Odin a giant, too? What's the difference between Odin's giant blood and Loki's giant blood? Most of the Aesir (if not all) are giants. Why are they warring with their own kind? Thor's mother (not Frigg) is a giant, after all. Odin's father, Bor, was a giant. So why the self hate?
If it's explained somewhere, I must have missed it.
Odin was half jötunn "giant" & aesir, The jötunn are often described to be human size and good looking.
Ymir the first jötunn was created by melted ice. Ymirs sweat (ice giants water?) created more giants (seems to be done quite quickly) Odin saw this as a threat killed & Ymir. It's a bit complicated tho there is a lot o giant "races" personally i think Odin sees them as a threat, and it seems that they joined Loki to free Fenrir's so he was probably right 🤷♂️
We do not pronounce Loki that way in Iceland.
how do you pronounce it?
@@noah2987. LorKee. Closest I can get in words. The K is harsh.
@@olawcristophersoun1373 interesting! i’ll have to look up some videos of icelandic pronunciation :)
@@olawcristophersoun1373 not everybody is icelandic
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I feel Loki is God of manipulation, either good or bad. I think that sums up all of his defective actions.
seek wisdom and wisdom you shall find with a righteous heart... only Christ brings righteousness...
Hey just want to say, I really like your channel and a lot of your videos. However I'm going to have to pushback on your claim that the Poetic edda does not mention Loki killing Baldur. In the Lokasenna, stanza 28, Loki tells Frigg "Frigg, do you want me to say still more about my wicked deeds; for I brought it about that you will never again see Baldur ride to the halls." This supports Snorri's story in that while Loki wasn't Bladur's actual killer, he was certainly the one who orchestrated it. Hope this helps your quest for knowledge and seeking the truth.
Thank you 🍻
Cyclic understanding...linear understanding
I just bought 3 days ago a honda cb1000r in red colour and I want to name my bike Frigg.. I want to buy a red Keychain with her name and baptize her this way.. is there a way to officially name something after a God?
I have cars named for some Greek Gods, often I just felt the pull for the name! As long as you feel it’s fine!
@@RitaMarieHartford funny thing you named cars after greek God's because I'm Greek.. which God's you chose?
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Ironically, that fun is another pagan religion. That is the god pan.
Question if the gods are mortal then that means that they are dead right?
The gods have a cyclical layer it then. After ragnarok it is said Baldr returns to Midgard. If Bladr can return I think it’s safe to assume many of the gods can come back in one way. I cover this theory a little more in my Ragnarok video. It all depends on if you think Ragnarok has happened, is yet to happen, or happens over and over again. Personally I think it happens (paganism ended for the most part a thousand years ago) and poof a thousand years later it seems to be making a big return. Looks like a cycle to me!
@@TheWisdomOfOdin thanks for the insight
You should give a review of Ragnarok season 2. I have watched the second season and enjoyed it much more than the first, but would like to hear your thoughts on it.
I absolutely love that show! The 2nd season definitely gets more exciting! I'm curious about your thoughts on Freya? I really thought it was Gry but now maybe it's Iman? Waiting for season 3 is torture! Even though you know the story. Will the writers play it that way or not!?
You would love the operas of the RingCycle with the Ring of the Nibelungen. Loki is key in it.
Personally don’t think floki as anything like Loki
Been on a witchcraft and Pagan journey for about two and a half years now. Despite my Norse heritage, I didnt connect with any Norse gods right away, But, my main witchcraft patron quickly became Persephone. I recently discovered Sigyn. I quickly bonded with her and saw similarities to Persephone. Everything suddenly clicked into place. I think I have my main Pagan deity now :)
I think that Loki sets up trouble so that he can swoop in as the hero and get recognition. But there's also times where I think he's just saving his ass.
And once again I'll say
Wisdom muffin
Funny I see Loki as not good looking creepy and Frey as the good looking one 😉 Sorry just my preference at a Vanic Norse Pagan.
Hey man, why such a hurry? Take it easy.
Because I was younger and in the middle of a city 😆 Much slower now
@@TheWisdomOfOdin Happy to hear that man!