"Never meet your heroes, because you'll be disappointed." Sayings like this are a reason why I'm glad I chose "Beautiful" Bobby Eaton as one of my heroes. Because both times I met him, I was left as far from "disappointed" as possible.
@@jesusleyva4386isn’t that the truth! My parents never complained once about getting old until their mid 70’s. I felt great, still felt invincible when I turned 50, three years later and I go to bed each night hoping I don’t wake up the next day! My back seemed to go bad overnight a couple months after turning 50 and each day is nothing but pain now. I never expected to be so old so young!
I've met some really cool wrestlers that were huge when I was a kid. And every single one has been the nicest guy you'd ever want to meet. But, no...I would never want to meet my heroes, in any walk of life. Some of my favorite musicians would probably make me toss all their albums in the trash.
I agree! He seems to speak with candor...but, he dishes out compliments and heapings of praise when deserved. Dutch has been around the Wrestling Business in various capacities...that's what keeps me listening to his interviews. James has a depth of knowledge, too. He's a younger guy who studies the history of Professional Wrestling. Great job!
I was a huge Flair fan growing up. Now that I’m grown up, I realize the kind of human being he is. He is no one to look up too or follow. Dutch nailed this one.
Rick always was a flawed character and played one, why would you want emulate him? if you did it would mean you were flawed too. I don't think he's ever claimed to be a role model apart from his in ring performances and his charisma. The craft, sure, as a person, I'm sure he has great qualities but the bad ones are magnified ten fold.
Oh now let’s not go that far! Ric is opinionated, but he is legendary and Still beloved! He bashed those who bash him and there is nothing wrong with that. I do the same! The last match was horrible and he knows it. He should just do one more “thing” and then hang up the boots for good.
Ric has earned the right to decide when to retire. Its nobodies business but his. If he is still able to draw a decent crowd and make decent money then let him get on with it. If you don't like it...don't watch. Simple.
You need to go back and find old Dutch clips from the territories. Growing up in Memphis was awesome. I got to see all the greats and Dutch was a staple. Dutch was great. Look for some Eddie Gilbert stuff too! Talk about white hot heat....
Look for the Dutch/Lawler feud of 1982. The fans cheered Dutch over Lawler in some towns. 1986: Dutch/Lawler vs Buddy Landel/Bill Dundee one of the greatest feuds ever.
@jody6441: The late great "Hot Stuff" Eddie Gilbert was an outright Booking Genius and along with Terry Funk is one of the two uncredited Primary Drivers in ECW's early expansion. Their hectic Memphis style Feud was a real tablesetter for the eventual daredevil History of The Philadelphia group. When Fans chant "Eddie!" in unison they need to remember the equally great Eddie Gilbert as well.🤔🎤🎼🎸🤼♂️B.W.
Kinda irritated me. Don't go thumbing your nose at working class people, not to mention he's a regional manager or something like that. Pretty sure it's a good salary.
@@AvioftheSand I have more respect for Shane for doing some of the most thankless jobs imaginable (teacher, retail etc) and being at ease with that aspect of his life now. Whereas for Flair, he has been given every opportunity to go out with grace but the man cannot let go. This gimmick that he has embodied won't let him go out like that. Richard Fleur is dead and buried and 'Ric Flair' is all that is left of the man. He belittles Shane's position in life because he has the peace and content that Flair will never have. And that's sad, man.
@@ChaseNada The thing is, if I was a midcard/upper-midcard wrester whose career was done, I honestly wouldn't mind working a regular job like Shane Douglas. When I wrote and fantasy booked my sarcastic Hun shaman character called "Scourge" (born 1963, debuted 1984, main evented in early/mid 1990s WCW and All Japan), he retired full-time 2003 and then working the indies as an old-timer, also taking a job in computer repair and part-time grocery work. "Scourge" was generally happy in life, and ever since the debut of the nWo (he got creatively lost) and Attitude Era, he mainly worked in the midcard on an equal footing against Gangrel, Val Venis, D'Lo Brown, etc. with a 2-month feud with Kane (50/50 booked). "Scourge" lead a stable (called "The Khanate") with Tiger Ali Singh and Taka Michinoku to help build them up. What I am saying is that if I wrestled, unlike Flair, I'd very much know my place on the card and not develop an ego for having a good 5 year prime. Despite Scourge's strong main event presence in pre-Nitro WCW, I would've been the type who had a lot of fun working with (and put over) younger guys all the time in fun little midcard feuds. I think in Flair's case, he can't humble himself or remember how he started out small. He's living too much the "rock and roll" rich guy lifestyle, where a lot of rockers still go 10~15 years past their prime. It would be like comparing the ego money-driven Gene Simmons (Flair) to the humble small-town Kurt Cobain (Scourge's personality). Like as big of a stage that Kurt had, he never forgot his roots, and always gave the lesser known/underground bands a platform. Even Kurt got sick of the mainstream attention & schedule, which I'm sure would've happened to me if I wrestled. Send me back to midcard land & let me feud with Alex Wright instead of jobbing to Ric Flair! 😆
@@AvioftheSand "Dr. Death" Steve Williams worked as an airport security and a middle-school football coach after retiring from All Japan (AJPW). Likewise, Dave Sullivan, the "#1 Hulkamaniac" in mid 1990s WCW & a Eugene predecessor, has worked a stable job as a gym teacher ever since his WCW release.
@@AvioftheSand lots of other things I've seen him do and say. The Last Match was sad. Him in TNA made a mockery of the retirement WWE gave him. The nasty things he says about people on his podcast on the regular. His alcoholism. His whole attitude. He's either grateful and happy or angry and ungrateful, there's no middle ground. Bipolar as a mfer but I don't hate on a mental illness, I hate on his attitude and choices.
@@derekfuiten204 To be fair, the TNA era of Flair was because he owed divorce money or at least that's what he said. But you're right. His skin is pretty paper thin, and the only one ruining his legacy is him.
Flair was one of my all time favorites, but over the last few years he really has destroyed his legacy. If he's not destroyed yet he's working on it. Idk the man but it seems like he just can't come to grips with the fact that he's gotten older,and the fact that he's a raging alcoholic means he has aged badly very badly. Idk I wish him the best I truly do I have so many awesome memories with my grandfather that's he a part of.
To recap, flair showed up drunk, out of shape, blacked out mid-match, executed it in a way that didn't make sense and is bragging about the pay off. How anyone defends that is beyond comprehension.
I lost respect for Flair when he made fun of Shane getting an upper management job at Target, which pays six figures. Flair is out of touch with the reality.
Dutch just laid it out there. "RicFlair is full of shit". It was the Nashville Municipal Auditorium by the way. For all y'all that didn't see Dutch back in the day you need to do a deep dive. He was a bad ass. He had a huge hat and a bull whip. He scared kids and adults alike popping that thing all over the studio and arenas.
I love that Dutch just says what he thinks. I didn't know much about his career other than the wwf stuff but I am a big fan now and never miss one of these clips.
What I loved most about Ric Flair when I was young was the notion that he got on the mic, went as insane as he did, but turned it off when he went home. I had no clue before the internet era that he doesn't have an off button. And it really makes me almost as sad as his work makes me happy. He's the best all around the business has ever seen. The best heel of all time. I can't imagine why that's just not enough, unless it's a money issue. If it's strictly money, it makes perfect sense. But, he's made it impossible for me to think of him the way I did in 89, 99, or even 2009.
The fact no one in his family objected to that abortion of a match Ric had makes it even sadder. Maybe they did and he ignored them, but all Conrad gave a damn about was the $$$ so there was no one to stop and tell Flair he’s too old and broken down to wrestle anymore.
the last match was about hearing that music hit, seeing him walk through the curtain, hit the flair 'high spots', and get out. no one should've expected him to perform well and he sure as shit shouldn't act like he did perform well (which i've heard him waffle on)
Flar had the perfect retirement match with Shawn and a perfect farewell the very next night, but he ruined when he came back on TNA/Impact. This retirement match was a complete joke!
The Ric Flair match is the equivalent of a guy hyping up his skills in the bedroom only to last 2 seconds! The hype was big. The build up to the match was better than the match itself.
I wouldn't be surprised if big fat Conrad coaxed him into doing the match so he didn't have to keep giving Ric beer tokens and obviously lined his own pockets in the process.
@@curthennig9448 I stopped listening to Nash 's podcast when hin and Sean Oliver kept plugging Blue Chew especially when I found out big fat Conrad was behind it all
Dutch you're my hero you brought a good laugh to me cuz you didn't even mean to you just being you when you said Ric Flair's full of s*** I busted out laughing thank you Mr Dutch and thank you for keeping it real as well Mr James love you both don't change a thing
Dutch called it the Nashville Civic Coliseum but it's the Nashville Municipal Auditorium. The Ric Flair card was Sunday evening of a whole weekend. WWE ran Nissan Stadium where the Titans play the same weekend but not affiliated with Conrad's event. All day Saturday and and Sunday they had wrestling events and autograph signings. You could go broke quickly. I paid to see the Rock and Roll Express, Tully Blanchard, JJ Dillon, Hornswoggle and The New Age Outlaws Road Dogg BG Jessie James and Billy Gunn. Some other wrestlers like the Steiner Brothers and Lex Lugar were over 100 dollars per autograph. You could spend thousands and some wrestlers like Virgil even tried to con me but not giving change. If he asked for 20 dollars and you gave him 50 dollars he would say he didn't have change so let him have it. Most interesting were the marks dressed up as Randy Savage and Dusty Rhodes carrying title belts and acted convinced they were the real deal. Lol. New Japan was like 35 dollars for ringside on Saturday evening and the Flair match (well there were 9 matches on the card including Ricky Morton who can still work) general admission was only 25 dollars plus ticket master fees. In all the weekend was fun but you could spend a small fortune especially if you did all the meet and greets plus purchased food concessions
Flair has always been this thinned skin. All of the problems he had in the past have been because of this character flaw. It was just that everyone wanted to take his side in all the previous situations such as with Bischoff and Herd. People are now seeing how he really is as he continues to expose himself (as he often does).
Man did I enjoy this. Outstanding! I really appreciated the comment on how Ric will take no criticism. Ric loves to knock everyone, but takes no criticism himself
There comes a time in life when you have to be honest with yourself. Hopefully that day will come for Ric Flair .How can he or anyone for that matter ,think he looked good in that match ? He may have actually said f u to the critics , but he literally said F U to all the fans when he went into the ring the way he did that night.. The one wrestler we should praise that evening was Jarrett, he was the only bright spot of the night.
Awesome to hear a guy from Ric flair's era call it for what it was. Flair was determined to do this and I don't blame Conrad Thompson for it cause flair was gonna do it with some promoter regardless. I can't believe anyone paid for it when he is honest about the fact he gets drunk every day of the week.
I have left Ric and Conrad tons of messages BEGGING THEM not to let him get back in the ring and continue ruining his legacy! No one wants to see his old, wrinkley body ...hell, even his promos are getting where you feel sorry for him bc he sounds like some old man trying way too hard! I guess he doesn't get that the last match with Shawn Micheals left him exactly where we wanted---and even then, I felt he was too old to get in the ring.
I’ve met Ric several times and he’s always treated me well, he was always polite to me. As far as his last match. I don’t think he ripped anyone off. He’s 74 and was in better shape than he’s been in years. For a 74 yr old I think he did pretty good. Except someone should’ve stopped him from blading. I thought it was going to bleed out from that.
I feel sorry for ric to be honest. It must be hard to have earned as much as he has and have a family, yet still need sp much validation at this point in his life that he's basically killing himself in the ring. Hes just a sad old man.
I don't know why people continue to feel bad for Ric Flair. He chooses to do stuff like this. Now, the event overall was actually quite well done, and I think there's potential there for a yearly event. Main event was bad though. If you want to bank off Flair's name as being part of the show, have him manage a wrestler/team instead.
Flair had a giant ego and believed his own hype long ago, but now he's passed the point of no return. He's stark raving nuts. And on top of that he makes excuses for missing his daughter winning the Smackdown women's title so he could go to some bar and drink with his friends, even though he was at the arena earlier? Christ, he could've gone back to the arena, but instead he stayed at the bar to drink some more. I listened to one of his podcasts a couple of months ago and that was enough for me. Ric's a mess. If he lives two more years, he'll be extremely lucky.
As a wrestler, Flair is a God. As a person, he's a trainwreck. Chased off wives and friends. I've seen recent videos of him at a bar doing his Ric Flair "thing" dancing with a bunch of young ladies, looking like an old fool. He's 70 year old frat boy
Before Ric Flair had that last match he did an interview where he said "If I pull this off I'll be the greatest ever!". No Ric, what puts you into the discussion for greatest all time is what you did 30-40 years ago! What you did in "the last match" did absolutely nothing positive to contribute to that discussion. I get it, getting old and not being able to do what you used to could do or at least on that level sucks! I am finding this lesson out the hard way myself these days. This is just part of the circle of life. Ric Flair is so obsessed with being known as the greatest of all time. He gets so worked up when anyone claims he isn't. He really seems to get bent out of shape when he himself begins to wonder if he was the greatest or not.
Flair could’ve retired in 95 and he’d still be considered one of the greatest of all time. He’s been tarnishing his legacy for over 25 years now IMO. He hasn’t had a good match since Clinton’s first term.
Flair has so many hidden secrets, Tony Atlas knows some as do MANY others. He’s extremely lucky the stories are buried. Dutch is on the money here. Flair’s comments on Dutch are unfair. Dutch has always been a class act, he has great knowledge and has made a mark on pro wrestling. So many guys have positive things to say about Dutch. Warrior, Austin, Foley, Cornette and many many more. Dutch might not be at Flair’s level but not many are, doesn’t mean Dutch shouldn’t be respected.
No I don't think so. I really think people that went and bought the ppv. Wanted to just see him in there and do a couple moves. I think where they messed up was Ric doing to much. But at the end I'm sure nobody was looking for a 5 star Meltzer rating.
I bought the PPV and watched it live. I suspended disbelief and allowed myself to enjoy it in the moment. However… The match would have been actually tolerable had Flair spent 90% of the match on the apron and made the comeback for the win. He could have worked the match Jerry Lawler style where he didn’t take a single bump and it would have been fine.
I chose not to remember anything related to wrestling past say 2000. It’s not the same business anymore. 70’s 80’s and most of the 90’s. That’s what I watch and remember.
The show drew 6,800 fans for a live gate of $448,502, with an estimated 20,000-25,000 viewers on FITE and 4,200 viewers on In Demand. It was the second highest-grossing North American independent professional wrestling event in modern history behind All In.
I had it with Flair when he went after Sting for not saying Thank You in 1995🙄Sting has done nothing but sing the praises to Flair ,gives him credit for making him ,all the damn time ,and Flair comes back with this Bullshit,Flair truly is what Dusty Rhodes called him in a shoot interview ? A flim Flam Man ( like the old movie)
The sad thing about that Super Show/Card (it was actually really good) then you get to the main event which was definition of a train wreck (it devalued the entire card so bad imo) Both Ric and his son in-law have one thing in common there are shameless grifters! i wish my father was alive to see Flair’s “Last” match only to hear his comments about how it turned out (Been watching Pro Wrestling 38-39yrs of my life) That match is on it’s on level of bad (Once you see it you’ll never see something so bad on that type of level) This isn’t a indie show at a school gym with green wrestlers (trying to learn there craft) it’s (4) Legit Pros….. Ric has no business cutting down anyone who criticizes that dumpster fire! It was embarrassing and gives you a peek at the man’s state of mind (He’s delusional and believes it’s 1986)
There’s a video of a girl asking for Flair’s autograph. He refuses and they kinda troll him. He makes a huge deal out of it later. Like they were the ones that should be embarrassed.
IMO Flair’s true last match was against HBK. It was a great sendoff for the Nature Boy and if he didn’t want to retire, he shouldn’t have accepted it in the first place.
I hope Undertaker and Shawn Michaels learn from this. I never really liked Flair, always thought he was one of the most overrated of all time. Anyone who actually believed the match had a hope in hell of being even passable was only working themselves.
It is really a far-fetched idea, I grant that but; a little part of me wonders if he went into that match half-expecting TO expire. Again, I know it's far-fetched but, being in bad shape myself, sometimes I think it would be best to not wake up... I am old and sickly, and I hate it. Perhaps such things are on his mind... what better way for a grappler to go then in the ring?!
“To get in that shape, all you need is a Fifth of Liquor.” That’s why I love this Podcast so much.
Dutch has a unique way of describing reality.
Same that comment got me right out of the gate 😂 great shape compared to Conrad Thompson, yes.
I legit laughed at that. I was like is Flair thinking when he was on the roids at young age?
@@chrisortiz8072 what? Flair has never been a physique guy..ever.
@@stephenjones1488 when he was young he was once over 300 pounds before he broke his back on that famous plane crash
"Never meet your heroes, because you'll be disappointed."
Sayings like this are a reason why I'm glad I chose "Beautiful" Bobby Eaton as one of my heroes.
Because both times I met him, I was left as far from "disappointed" as possible.
Blowing up in 30 seconds, blacking out during the match & coming close to death? Hell, I'm already in that shape lol
I feel ya dude. Gettin old sucks
@@jesusleyva4386isn’t that the truth! My parents never complained once about getting old until their mid 70’s. I felt great, still felt invincible when I turned 50, three years later and I go to bed each night hoping I don’t wake up the next day!
My back seemed to go bad overnight a couple months after turning 50 and each day is nothing but pain now. I never expected to be so old so young!
Your cheque for 300,000 is in the mail.
@Henrik Schmidt I'm gonna be checking my mailbox every day.
says the guy that would blow up on the way to the ring
“Never meet your Heroes because you’ll just be disappointed” is the best quote I’ve ever heard in my entire life! 😮
The match was awful. Ric still isn't disappointing. He can't wrestle anymore. His rant about it was terrific - great Ric Flair.
You’re just now hearing that quote?
I've met some really cool wrestlers that were huge when I was a kid. And every single one has been the nicest guy you'd ever want to meet.
But, no...I would never want to meet my heroes, in any walk of life. Some of my favorite musicians would probably make me toss all their albums in the trash.
Dutch is the man! He keeps it real every show, great job!
Not true. He's told too many lies on this platform alone to the point it's crazy. But an excellent story teller at the same time though.
I agree! He seems to speak with candor...but, he dishes out compliments and heapings of praise when deserved. Dutch has been around the Wrestling Business in various capacities...that's what keeps me listening to his interviews. James has a depth of knowledge, too. He's a younger guy who studies the history of Professional Wrestling. Great job!
@@joelbennett6672 Facts. The gel perfectly.
@@Blacattacsquadron Yeah? Name them
I was a huge Flair fan growing up. Now that I’m grown up, I realize the kind of human being he is. He is no one to look up too or follow. Dutch nailed this one.
Very same here ! I was proud of pictures I have of me with Ric before his near death experience years ago. Now I am not a fan at all.
Rick always was a flawed character and played one, why would you want emulate him? if you did it would mean you were flawed too. I don't think he's ever claimed to be a role model apart from his in ring performances and his charisma. The craft, sure, as a person, I'm sure he has great qualities but the bad ones are magnified ten fold.
Oh now let’s not go that far! Ric is opinionated, but he is legendary and Still beloved! He bashed those who bash him and there is nothing wrong with that. I do the same! The last match was horrible and he knows it. He should just do one more “thing” and then hang up the boots for good.
Snowflake
Ric has earned the right to decide when to retire. Its nobodies business but his. If he is still able to draw a decent crowd and make decent money then let him get on with it. If you don't like it...don't watch. Simple.
I’m glad Dutch made this podcast because I didn’t know much about him other than his time as Zeb Colter. Love listening to his opinions on everything
You need to go back and find old Dutch clips from the territories. Growing up in Memphis was awesome. I got to see all the greats and Dutch was a staple. Dutch was great. Look for some Eddie Gilbert stuff too! Talk about white hot heat....
@@Jody6441 Will do!
Look for the Dutch/Lawler feud of 1982. The fans cheered Dutch over Lawler in some towns.
1986: Dutch/Lawler vs Buddy Landel/Bill Dundee one of the greatest feuds ever.
@jody6441: The late great "Hot Stuff" Eddie Gilbert was an outright Booking Genius and along with Terry Funk is one of the two uncredited Primary Drivers in ECW's early expansion. Their hectic Memphis style Feud was a real tablesetter for the eventual daredevil History of The Philadelphia group. When Fans chant "Eddie!" in unison they need to remember the equally great Eddie Gilbert as well.🤔🎤🎼🎸🤼♂️B.W.
I saw Flair belittling and mocking Shane Douglas for working at Target on his podcast. Make of that what you will.
And yet, Shane is at peace with his lot in his life and seems happy.
The same can't be said for Ric.
Kinda irritated me. Don't go thumbing your nose at working class people, not to mention he's a regional manager or something like that. Pretty sure it's a good salary.
@@AvioftheSand I have more respect for Shane for doing some of the most thankless jobs imaginable (teacher, retail etc) and being at ease with that aspect of his life now.
Whereas for Flair, he has been given every opportunity to go out with grace but the man cannot let go. This gimmick that he has embodied won't let him go out like that.
Richard Fleur is dead and buried and 'Ric Flair' is all that is left of the man. He belittles Shane's position in life because he has the peace and content that Flair will never have.
And that's sad, man.
@@ChaseNada The thing is, if I was a midcard/upper-midcard wrester whose career was done, I honestly wouldn't mind working a regular job like Shane Douglas.
When I wrote and fantasy booked my sarcastic Hun shaman character called "Scourge" (born 1963, debuted 1984, main evented in early/mid 1990s WCW and All Japan), he retired full-time 2003 and then working the indies as an old-timer, also taking a job in computer repair and part-time grocery work. "Scourge" was generally happy in life, and ever since the debut of the nWo (he got creatively lost) and Attitude Era, he mainly worked in the midcard on an equal footing against Gangrel, Val Venis, D'Lo Brown, etc. with a 2-month feud with Kane (50/50 booked). "Scourge" lead a stable (called "The Khanate") with Tiger Ali Singh and Taka Michinoku to help build them up.
What I am saying is that if I wrestled, unlike Flair, I'd very much know my place on the card and not develop an ego for having a good 5 year prime. Despite Scourge's strong main event presence in pre-Nitro WCW, I would've been the type who had a lot of fun working with (and put over) younger guys all the time in fun little midcard feuds.
I think in Flair's case, he can't humble himself or remember how he started out small. He's living too much the "rock and roll" rich guy lifestyle, where a lot of rockers still go 10~15 years past their prime. It would be like comparing the ego money-driven Gene Simmons (Flair) to the humble small-town Kurt Cobain (Scourge's personality). Like as big of a stage that Kurt had, he never forgot his roots, and always gave the lesser known/underground bands a platform.
Even Kurt got sick of the mainstream attention & schedule, which I'm sure would've happened to me if I wrestled. Send me back to midcard land & let me feud with Alex Wright instead of jobbing to Ric Flair! 😆
@@AvioftheSand "Dr. Death" Steve Williams worked as an airport security and a middle-school football coach after retiring from All Japan (AJPW). Likewise, Dave Sullivan, the "#1 Hulkamaniac" in mid 1990s WCW & a Eugene predecessor, has worked a stable job as a gym teacher ever since his WCW release.
Now I'm starting to really see why Ricky steamboat didn't want to do it..
I love how it’s been so obvious in Dutch’s shoots that he has absolutely no time for narcissist Flair! Respect 👏
I used to be a Ric Flair fan, but I just can't unsee this.
Same, but also other things.
@@derekfuiten204 What other things?
@@AvioftheSand lots of other things I've seen him do and say. The Last Match was sad. Him in TNA made a mockery of the retirement WWE gave him. The nasty things he says about people on his podcast on the regular. His alcoholism. His whole attitude. He's either grateful and happy or angry and ungrateful, there's no middle ground. Bipolar as a mfer but I don't hate on a mental illness, I hate on his attitude and choices.
@@derekfuiten204 To be fair, the TNA era of Flair was because he owed divorce money or at least that's what he said. But you're right. His skin is pretty paper thin, and the only one ruining his legacy is him.
@@AvioftheSand 👍
Flair was one of my all time favorites, but over the last few years he really has destroyed his legacy. If he's not destroyed yet he's working on it. Idk the man but it seems like he just can't come to grips with the fact that he's gotten older,and the fact that he's a raging alcoholic means he has aged badly very badly. Idk I wish him the best I truly do I have so many awesome memories with my grandfather that's he a part of.
To recap, flair showed up drunk, out of shape, blacked out mid-match, executed it in a way that didn't make sense and is bragging about the pay off. How anyone defends that is beyond comprehension.
Exactly we’ll said
I lost respect for Flair when he made fun of Shane getting an upper management job at Target, which pays six figures. Flair is out of touch with the reality.
He's probably financially better off than Flair if assets and liabilities are considered.
He was all blown out just walking to the ring.
Dutch is 100% on everything he said in this. Man has so much sense. He's a real one.
Dutch just laid it out there. "RicFlair is full of shit". It was the Nashville Municipal Auditorium by the way. For all y'all that didn't see Dutch back in the day you need to do a deep dive. He was a bad ass. He had a huge hat and a bull whip. He scared kids and adults alike popping that thing all over the studio and arenas.
Double Dutch Clutch
"Shoe Baby" was the bull whip's name and it was pretty scary to kids, especially live. It was loud like a pistol shot!
Jim cornette didn’t even want to talk about that match out of respect for flair 😂😂😂
Still hasnt 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I love that Dutch just says what he thinks. I didn't know much about his career other than the wwf stuff but I am a big fan now and never miss one of these clips.
He was awesome in the tag team with Bobby jaggers called the Kansas Jayhawks
@@dudemeisterSC I agree with you.
Same. I became a fan thru this podcast
Google “Randy Savage Waffle House Incident.” There’s a great video of him recounting it to Cornette.
Theres some great matches with Dutch when he was in Memphis on youtube.
He said people spent 50 to $100 for front-row tickets I bet you somebody paid $5,000 for front row
Wonder what Bret,Foley,and Taker paid.
I think he really made the 300.000 bucks at that event, including all his autographs, photoshoots and merch-sales.
Flair bragging about making 300k in one night is hilarious since his bar tab was probably double that for the weekend. 🤷♂️
Ric Flair actually died in 1998 but no one has told him.
Bischoff killed him back in 1998.
Dutch Mantel Sounds Like A Down To Earth, Reasonable, Good Head On His Shoulders Guy.
What I loved most about Ric Flair when I was young was the notion that he got on the mic, went as insane as he did, but turned it off when he went home.
I had no clue before the internet era that he doesn't have an off button. And it really makes me almost as sad as his work makes me happy.
He's the best all around the business has ever seen. The best heel of all time. I can't imagine why that's just not enough, unless it's a money issue.
If it's strictly money, it makes perfect sense.
But, he's made it impossible for me to think of him the way I did in 89, 99, or even 2009.
Should've been charged with a WWI (Wrestling While Intoxicated). That is super dangerous for everyone involved.
Ric Flair tweeting to this at this very moment …
Dutch not holding back. Got to respect that
flair looked like he was gonna stroke out during that match
Dutch is killing it!!!! Love his commentary
All you need is a fifth of liquor...Dutch, you finally made me laugh. That was funny. It is also true.
The fact no one in his family objected to that abortion of a match Ric had makes it even sadder. Maybe they did and he ignored them, but all Conrad gave a damn about was the $$$ so there was no one to stop and tell Flair he’s too old and broken down to wrestle anymore.
0% chance of talking Ric out of that. It would be easier to convince the Dali Lama to join the army
Conrad is a tool
@@emobassist A tool that's making bank. I'm sure he made close to if not more than Flair did.
Conrad paid his way into the business. He bought the Flair family and now he thinks he's a big part of the business.
Good luck telling Ric Flair "no".
the last match was about hearing that music hit, seeing him walk through the curtain, hit the flair 'high spots', and get out. no one should've expected him to perform well and he sure as shit shouldn't act like he did perform well (which i've heard him waffle on)
Dutch is right on this. Flair is attacking Dutch for speaking what everyone is thinking.
Flar had the perfect retirement match with Shawn and a perfect farewell the very next night, but he ruined when he came back on TNA/Impact.
This retirement match was a complete joke!
James Delivery on the "how bout that Mother Fers" is great and Dutch retorts was tremendous
I'd say Ric has just seen this because he is going nuts on Twitter lolololol
The Ric Flair match is the equivalent of a guy hyping up his skills in the bedroom only to last 2 seconds!
The hype was big. The build up to the match was better than the match itself.
Flair should have taken a couple of BlueChews before the match.
I wouldn't be surprised if big fat Conrad coaxed him into doing the match so he didn't have to keep giving Ric beer tokens and obviously lined his own pockets in the process.
Don't forget about The BlueChews. Those are expensive pills!
@@curthennig9448 I stopped listening to Nash 's podcast when hin and Sean Oliver kept plugging Blue Chew especially when I found out big fat Conrad was behind it all
@@PaulieD1984 Yeah, they're all in on it!
Beer tokens 😂😂😂😂😂
BFC (Big Fat Conrad) using BCF (Blue Chew to Fuck) is not the nicest mental image.
Dutch you're my hero you brought a good laugh to me cuz you didn't even mean to you just being you when you said Ric Flair's full of s*** I busted out laughing thank you Mr Dutch and thank you for keeping it real as well Mr James love you both don't change a thing
Dutch called it the Nashville Civic Coliseum but it's the Nashville Municipal Auditorium. The Ric Flair card was Sunday evening of a whole weekend. WWE ran Nissan Stadium where the Titans play the same weekend but not affiliated with Conrad's event. All day Saturday and and Sunday they had wrestling events and autograph signings. You could go broke quickly. I paid to see the Rock and Roll Express, Tully Blanchard, JJ Dillon, Hornswoggle and The New Age Outlaws Road Dogg BG Jessie James and Billy Gunn. Some other wrestlers like the Steiner Brothers and Lex Lugar were over 100 dollars per autograph. You could spend thousands and some wrestlers like Virgil even tried to con me but not giving change. If he asked for 20 dollars and you gave him 50 dollars he would say he didn't have change so let him have it. Most interesting were the marks dressed up as Randy Savage and Dusty Rhodes carrying title belts and acted convinced they were the real deal. Lol. New Japan was like 35 dollars for ringside on Saturday evening and the Flair match (well there were 9 matches on the card including Ricky Morton who can still work) general admission was only 25 dollars plus ticket master fees. In all the weekend was fun but you could spend a small fortune especially if you did all the meet and greets plus purchased food concessions
Flair has always been this thinned skin. All of the problems he had in the past have been because of this character flaw. It was just that everyone wanted to take his side in all the previous situations such as with Bischoff and Herd. People are now seeing how he really is as he continues to expose himself (as he often does).
Just look at all the times he cried like a little girl on live TV. Even Triple H made snarky remarks in promos about it🤣
Scott Steiner says he would literally cry.
Eyyyyyy, I see what you did there
Man did I enjoy this. Outstanding! I really appreciated the comment on how Ric will take no criticism. Ric loves to knock everyone, but takes no criticism himself
Rick's last match should've been the Wrestlemania match with Shawn Micheals
I like some of Conrad's shows but he's the kinda guy that'd boot his grandma out of her home to make a buck.
He does like making money, but I don't think he would go that far. He might boot your grandma out, but not his own.
Damn 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Can't argue with the best of all time. Absolutely agree 💯 Dutch
I met Flair once. And once was enough.
Was he on the floor of the bar?
There comes a time in life when you have to be honest with yourself. Hopefully that day will come for Ric Flair .How can he or anyone for that matter ,think he looked good in that match ? He may have actually said f u to the critics , but he literally said F U to all the fans when he went into the ring the way he did that night.. The one wrestler we should praise that evening was Jarrett, he was the only bright spot of the night.
Awesome to hear a guy from Ric flair's era call it for what it was. Flair was determined to do this and I don't blame Conrad Thompson for it cause flair was gonna do it with some promoter regardless. I can't believe anyone paid for it when he is honest about the fact he gets drunk every day of the week.
Ric would have found someone but that doesn't excuse his family from going along with it.
People do what they want, but the match with Shaun with the celebration was an awesome retirement
I have left Ric and Conrad tons of messages BEGGING THEM not to let him get back in the ring and continue ruining his legacy! No one wants to see his old, wrinkley body ...hell, even his promos are getting where you feel sorry for him bc he sounds like some old man trying way too hard! I guess he doesn't get that the last match with Shawn Micheals left him exactly where we wanted---and even then, I felt he was too old to get in the ring.
Tatsumi Fujinami is still working at 74 years old and can still go Ric looked like he just escaped the nursing home.
I’ve met Ric several times and he’s always treated me well, he was always polite to me. As far as his last match. I don’t think he ripped anyone off. He’s 74 and was in better shape than he’s been in years. For a 74 yr old I think he did pretty good. Except someone should’ve stopped him from blading. I thought it was going to bleed out from that.
Had your eyes checked lately?
Hi Ric.
Dirty Dutch keeping it real 💯
I feel sorry for ric to be honest. It must be hard to have earned as much as he has and have a family, yet still need sp much validation at this point in his life that he's basically killing himself in the ring. Hes just a sad old man.
I don't know why people continue to feel bad for Ric Flair. He chooses to do stuff like this. Now, the event overall was actually quite well done, and I think there's potential there for a yearly event. Main event was bad though. If you want to bank off Flair's name as being part of the show, have him manage a wrestler/team instead.
Ric needs to stick to car shield commercials, That's a scam to.
Get shiftbased and let him announce
@@jessyhavron2548 You think he could do some robe modeling?
Flair had a giant ego and believed his own hype long ago, but now he's passed the point of no return. He's stark raving nuts. And on top of that he makes excuses for missing his daughter winning the Smackdown women's title so he could go to some bar and drink with his friends, even though he was at the arena earlier? Christ, he could've gone back to the arena, but instead he stayed at the bar to drink some more. I listened to one of his podcasts a couple of months ago and that was enough for me. Ric's a mess. If he lives two more years, he'll be extremely lucky.
Is this what Flair had tantrum about on Twitter?
Lou Thesz wrestled a match in his 70's. No one almost died in a basic 10 minute exhibition.
@WWLTD Happened in Japan, didn't it?
@@crummydryverThesz wrestled Masahiro Chono and I will bet you Lou was in much better physical shape at 74 than Flair is at the same age.
@@crummydryver Yes, he wrestled Masa Chono.
@@williambrightman1375 Way better.
He could go toe-to-toe with Prime Buzz Sawyer when lou was in his late 60s.
2:47 Dutch spitting straight truth
As a wrestler, Flair is a God. As a person, he's a trainwreck. Chased off wives and friends. I've seen recent videos of him at a bar doing his Ric Flair "thing" dancing with a bunch of young ladies, looking like an old fool. He's 70 year old frat boy
Gotta love Naitch 🤣
Before Ric Flair had that last match he did an interview where he said "If I pull this off I'll be the greatest ever!".
No Ric, what puts you into the discussion for greatest all time is what you did 30-40 years ago! What you did in "the last match" did absolutely nothing positive to contribute to that discussion.
I get it, getting old and not being able to do what you used to could do or at least on that level sucks! I am finding this lesson out the hard way myself these days. This is just part of the circle of life.
Ric Flair is so obsessed with being known as the greatest of all time. He gets so worked up when anyone claims he isn't. He really seems to get bent out of shape when he himself begins to wonder if he was the greatest or not.
I think it would be accurate to say that Conrad and Ric stole that house.
Oh that's why Flair cussed out Dutch on Twitter.
Ric got triggered cause he knew the truth hurts.
Dutch says what we were all thinking. Match was the shits.
Yes,diapers were needed during this match!
Lmfao!!!!! That is one of Dutch's best comments!! Love ya guys!
Hell when you have a great career don't damage it because you won't stop
Flair could’ve retired in 95 and he’d still be considered one of the greatest of all time. He’s been tarnishing his legacy for over 25 years now IMO. He hasn’t had a good match since Clinton’s first term.
He had a good one in 2008 but still lost to Ashley's boyfriend!
Me: The Undertaker vs Goldberg match was the worst ever!
Ric Flair: ...hold my 5th of whiskey.
OMG that jab from Dutch was spot on!
James comparing Ric Flair's last match to Weekend at Bernie's still gets me.
Real talk from Dutch! 👍
The real world has never has never gotten along with Ric Flair . Thats why he lives in fantasy land .
Epic commentary Dutch.
You was spot on, James. Flair just responded! The man's skin is thinner than anything.
Flair has so many hidden secrets, Tony Atlas knows some as do MANY others. He’s extremely lucky the stories are buried. Dutch is on the money here.
Flair’s comments on Dutch are unfair. Dutch has always been a class act, he has great knowledge and has made a mark on pro wrestling. So many guys have positive things to say about Dutch. Warrior, Austin, Foley, Cornette and many many more.
Dutch might not be at Flair’s level but not many are, doesn’t mean Dutch shouldn’t be respected.
How was it a ripoff? If people were expecting anything more than that at his age, that is on them
No I don't think so. I really think people that went and bought the ppv. Wanted to just see him in there and do a couple moves. I think where they messed up was Ric doing to much. But at the end I'm sure nobody was looking for a 5 star Meltzer rating.
I bought the PPV and watched it live. I suspended disbelief and allowed myself to enjoy it in the moment. However…
The match would have been actually tolerable had Flair spent 90% of the match on the apron and made the comeback for the win. He could have worked the match Jerry Lawler style where he didn’t take a single bump and it would have been fine.
I chose not to remember anything related to wrestling past say 2000. It’s not the same business anymore. 70’s 80’s and most of the 90’s. That’s what I watch and remember.
Flair vs. Micheals should have been his last match
It is to me
Remember the awful match against Sting in 2011? Just dreadful
Rick needs to stick to car shield commercials with Ice Tea.
Talk about over paid. I wasn't there and didn't pay to see the match. But I STILL want my money back! Lol!
The show drew 6,800 fans for a live gate of $448,502, with an estimated 20,000-25,000 viewers on FITE and 4,200 viewers on In Demand. It was the second highest-grossing North American independent professional wrestling event in modern history behind All In.
I had it with Flair when he went after Sting for not saying Thank You in 1995🙄Sting has done nothing but sing the praises to Flair ,gives him credit for making him ,all the damn time ,and Flair comes back with this Bullshit,Flair truly is what Dusty Rhodes called him in a shoot interview ? A flim Flam Man ( like the old movie)
Dutch's head hair is legendary
The sad thing about that Super Show/Card (it was actually really good) then you get to the main event which was definition of a train wreck (it devalued the entire card so bad imo) Both Ric and his son in-law have one thing in common there are shameless grifters! i wish my father was alive to see Flair’s “Last” match only to hear his comments about how it turned out (Been watching Pro Wrestling 38-39yrs of my life) That match is on it’s on level of bad (Once you see it you’ll never see something so bad on that type of level) This isn’t a indie show at a school gym with green wrestlers (trying to learn there craft) it’s (4) Legit Pros….. Ric has no business cutting down anyone who criticizes that dumpster fire! It was embarrassing and gives you a peek at the man’s state of mind (He’s delusional and believes it’s 1986)
Ric said something’s about Mr. Dutch today on social media
Dutch telling it like it is always
those tickets were like $300 apiece and the ppv sales had packages for like $300 with a figurine
that's crazy, i wouldn't have spent a dime on that shit
@@brandonfarr6740 CONrad would take that dime too!
What shape? The shape of a chalk line maybe!!🤣🤘
Ric Flair: The 16-time World Retiree
Ric Flair needed to have his last match over 10 years ago....
He did. In WWE. But Ric can't let go.
100% agree with Dutch, and I was a big Flair mark decades ago.
I love Dutch & Ric. I enjoy what you do Dutch!
There’s a video of a girl asking for Flair’s autograph. He refuses and they kinda troll him. He makes a huge deal out of it later. Like they were the ones that should be embarrassed.
Has anyone heard ric flairs rant on dutch today sat the 11th??..lol...I can't wait till dutch respond
@@Damn-Son look up smack talk with dutch.. flair heat
@@Damn-Son that's Dutch's response..ric made the comments on IG
@@Damn-Son my pleasure my treasure..hope your having a awesome weekend 🤘
@@Damn-Son Can you smell the next PPV?
IMO Flair’s true last match was against HBK. It was a great sendoff for the Nature Boy and if he didn’t want to retire, he shouldn’t have accepted it in the first place.
I hope Undertaker and Shawn Michaels learn from this. I never really liked Flair, always thought he was one of the most overrated of all time. Anyone who actually believed the match had a hope in hell of being even passable was only working themselves.
$300,000 that went out the door the following week in legal fees and alimony checks.
And for maintenance on Space Mountain!
So this is the video that got Flairs panties in a knot
It is really a far-fetched idea, I grant that but; a little part of me wonders if he went into that match half-expecting TO expire. Again, I know it's far-fetched but, being in bad shape myself, sometimes I think it would be best to not wake up... I am old and sickly, and I hate it.
Perhaps such things are on his mind... what better way for a grappler to go then in the ring?!