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In HBO’s classic mob drama The Sopranos, we follow New Jersey mob boss Tony Soprano and his attempt to survive the treacherous world of the mafia, the long arm of the law, and the headache-inducing world of family life.
In the series’ final episode, “Made in America”, a sit down is arranged between Tony and Paulie, representing the DiMeos, and Butch and Albie Cianfalone, representing the Lupertazzis. Butch expresses his dissatisfaction with Phil’s leadership and agrees to a ceasefire. He does not reveal Phil’s location, but agrees not to get in the way, and eventually, Phil is shot and killed at a gas station in front of his wife and grandchildren, and his head is crushed by his own SUV for good measure.
The war is over, and presumably, Butch takes Phil’s seat as boss of the family.
But a question does arise here - why did Butch turn on Phil so suddenly?
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Edit @ 1:47 - hospital not prison
Shut up
Can you make a video about the origins of wille ciici
Did you used to go by Collative Learning?
I think that Coco's insults against Medow Soprano were the cause he turned Phil Lettardo.
Butch understands that members must not insult the families of other bosses. That is why Butch turned on on Phil.
If Phil would just have made it clear to anyone, how many years he’s served, that whole thing would have played out completely differently.
But Phil was very clear abou-...oh, I see what you’re saying...I think he may have compromised once or twice, too.
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Also should’ve mentioned his living conditions in the can like what he had to eat
let me tell you a couple of tree tings
@@nickmichaelson5553 No more Butchie, no more!
Butch kept an eye on both Phil and Tony at all times
Lolz
I can't even say your name
If Borko sees you...
🤣😂
Underrated comment
That Chinatown scene is one of my favorite scenes in the whole series. I love what they did with the tour bus rolling by and that line about “New York’s famous little Italy” once being so massive, now just reduced to a square block. It’s the perfect analogy for the mob in the early 2000’s when this was filmed. And Butch looks up and he’s lost, cold and confused… wondering how he got here. It’s just such a great scene.
Yes!
@KidBatersFather yes
I didnt even recognize this analogy to Mafia when I watched the scene......
I went to New York in 2007 and that same lady was the host on the tour bus I took thru New York
@@gcage7508 really? That’s pretty cool. She has a great tour guide voice
Butch was a great actor. He did an incredible job as Johnny Torrio in Boardwalk Empire
Yeaa he was. And the joke Stephen Graham’s Al Capone made about Johnny Torrio, “..I’m sorry kid I got this thing with my neck..”, was funny AF lol
@@reservoirdayak3923 🤣🤣🤣 Stephen Graham bodied that role man. I picture Capone being EXACTLY like that
@@DizzyDaDon “so you like ya make jokes”
“I like to laugh”
“ O ya do do ya”
I’m in the middle of a meeting!!!
@@DizzyDaDon The part where killed his own henchman with the empire state building replica was brutal.
Butch secretly wanted those Makita drills.
We don't want your fuckin' drills!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Those drills belong to my father in law Al! They came in, in the middle of the night and robbed the guy.
@@brettbaratheon9776 His Acid Reflux....Whatever happened there..
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The reason he turned on Phil was the phone call where Phil says "When this is over we're going to sit down." When Butch said "I hope so." Phil acted like he couldn't hear him and hung up. Butch knew what Phil really meant by that and knew it was either him or Phil. Plus Butch would end the war and become boss so he really had nothing to lose.
He also called him "kid" there. Which, we know is something that Phil can use as a dismissive term. Tony had gotten really pissed at Phil calling him that once. Butch might have heard that and assumed some even more hostility than Phil was outwardly showing.
Bingo!
Absolutely
He would probably switch to being Little Carmine's underboss. Basically Phil had become absent in hiding when he animorphed into a house, and Butchie was de facto boss already.
Nope. The whole point of the phone call was BUTCH trying to convince Phil NOT to kill Tony ........ when in the previous episode, BUTCH told Phil to KILL Tony and Phil said 'kill a boss... i won't do it' - Just terrible lazy writing
“A pint of blood costs more than a gallon of gold”
Carmine Lupartazzi Jr., aka Little Carmine
It's worth more. Gold actually does cost more
@@matthewJ142Not according to Little Carmine
Very observant, sacred and propane
The sacred and the propane
“Dons don’t wear shorts “ Carmine Lupertazzi Sr.
Remember the scene where Butch was walking in Chinatown while talking to Phil on the phone? The conversation was about the war with Jersey, and how it wasn't going well. Phil seemed unhappy with Butch too. When Butch hung up the phone he looked around and realized he had been walking in the wrong direction. This is symbolic of how the NY mob has been led astray. I believe this is what motivated Butch to make a deal with Tony to end the war. With Phil out of the picture, he wouldn't have to deal with his soured attitude, and Butch would be the de facto leader of the NY family. However, Butch said Jersey had "redundant upper management" and I think he always believed that. He pushed for war because he wanted to fold the jersey mob into NY, and when he saw that Phil wasn't really doing a good job as a leader, he figured he could let Tony kill Phil, then he would kill Tony, and absorb the whole fuckin thing. I believe that's what actually happened.
I believe it too. Chase tries so hard to be coy and never admit it but he never denied it either. I think Butch warmed up to Paulie and Patsy and once Meadow learned from her new husband-to-be that her dad had Patsy's twin brother and Patrick's uncle murdered, she too would be wary of her dad. It seems that Patsy probably became boss and Paulie was either Consigliere or underboss. We know Paulie didn't want to be boss anymore at this point so I doubt he became boss but I absolutely believe NOBODY had reason to keep Tony alive. Even Little Carmine probably signed off on it because he didn't want to have to keep AJ employed in his strumpet series movie company.
I think you are right, except my theory is that Carmine Jr. would be the boss with Butch as underboss. When Carmine Jr. backed out of a war with Leotardo he said this wasn't the way to do it. Then in the sit down with Leotardo and Tony he brought up Leotardo's brother. He was basically saying there's no point in fighting with Leotardo because that will destroy everything. He baited Leotardo into a fight with Tony to remove the upper management, which Butch agreed with. Carmine Jr. is like his father - not what he seems.
@@Dman3827 yes
Decapitate and do business with whatever’s left.
I was there & you’re correct
When Phil cried like a Puerto Rican hoowah in the hospital, my estimation of him as a man just f*ckin’ plummeted.
Lmfaooooo 😂🤣
They all "bitch out," even when they level up. The men of "The Sopranos" are some of the most emotional creatures on earth. Tony's advantage with Melfi is that he can cycle through all of his emotions with a stranger and then put the mask back on.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂😂💀
In addition to the fact that the Medigans changed their named from Leonardo on Ellis Island.
Totally wrong!!!! Butch got Tony's high school records and he discovered that Tony DID in fact have the makings of Varsity athlete. After that the choice was a no-brainer.
AND he found out Tony has an IQ of 136; it’s been tested.
You win sit
Quasimodo predicted all this
@@dabshanksthe1st488lol😂
Correction, the soft drink of choice was a no brainer
In light of recent humiliations, it's an honor to be joined by men for this CinerRanter upload.
I'm only here outta respect to my fawtha.
Aye I’m here for the gabagool
AND NOT COCK SUCKERS THAT MARRIED MY COUSIN
Take it easy, Shiv, you know the wine makes you emotional
You don't ever admit the existence of this thing!
Like Tony told Chris " You need to be around to keep your finger on the pulse".
Phil started a war and disappeared and left his 2 and 3 to deal with it. They struck Tony hard and they knew full well he wasn't just going to lay down. Payback was coming and they thought it would be one of them. Tony could of easily went into hiding on his own. He didn't, he stayed with his crew and kept his finger on the pulse
So nonchalantly "that animal Blundetto" I lost it when I heard that HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I read this comment right when it was said
Frank Vincent was such a great character actor, what a great addition to the cast.
RIP Frank😢
He stole every scene he was in
@@DrJ-hx7wv he really did
While he had a small part, he was great in Goodfellas as "Billy Batts" as well as his role as Frank Marino in Casino.
While I couldn't locate any information why William Bentvena was called "Billy Batts", the irony is Frank Marino beat the living shit out of Nicky with a baseball bat before being buried alive in the desert with his brother. And what's truly revolting and horrific about the entire gangster culture is nobody is anyone's friend. There was never any resentment between Frank and Nicky and Frank even lied to Remo Gaggi vouching for Nicky when asked about him screwing around with Ginger, but as soon as he's told to get rid of him he rather enjoys the task of killing Nicky ...truly sociopathic.
Are you taking about the sha of Iran 😆
@@ronfriedman8740 Except it was all Hollywood fantasy. The guy Frank was based on turned rat 5 years before Tony Spilotro (nicky santoro) got killed. And hr wasn't beat with a bat in a cornfield, they were beaten with fists & kicks & strangled with a rope in an IL basement then driven to IN & buried while Frank was in witsec.
What is so difficult to understand? Phil was going to take care of Butchie, he told him, we are going to sit down and talk and then hung up on him. Butchie knew right there, Phil was going to kill him.
I always get that vibe every time I watch that scene
Yup. That was the line that turned him, or was the last straw a heavy last straw.
You got it. Phil was angry and said, ''After this Butchie, you and me are gonna sit down.'' Butchie knew that ''sit down'' would be his last. It's obvious. Then Phil hung up on him. What an asshole. Butchie was a MAJOR asset to the NY family.
He also realized Phil had a perpetual prison mentality. He wasn’t going to be a good leader.
No you misunderstood, he'd never threaten him like that. He was implying a reward for finishing things off.
After Phil told Butch “I’ll deal with you later”, Butch knew it was either kill or be killed.
Pretty simple.
I don't think he said that, I think he said "after this is over, me and you gotta sit down" and he replied "I hope so".
I edited my original comment. I was only just watching it when I saw your comment and didn't realise the video has mentioned the China town bit
@@mistersonnen848
It was implied tho. Butch wasn't stupid. Plus Phil went and hid and left everything on Butch's shoulders. A boss should take the reins, not run and hide.
@@coldhands2802 it wasn't implied at all. It seemed like Phil was reminding Butch that "we will sit down" as in they will discuss his loyalty and good work and make sure he is promoted, rewarded, etc.
@@flightofthebumblebee9529 and once butch says I hope so Phil acts dumb and hangs up on him, Phil was upset that they couldn’t kill tony and he was gonna kill butch for his failure
@@x.x208no it was about promotion
I always thought he was sick of being unable to earn because of the war.
Exactly.
That’s literally all it was was - congrats - you’ve just made this whole video analysis completely pointless
@@samarnold2893 Yeah, I dare say Butch's motives were pretty obvious to most of us. The rest of the theories were kind of an overreach.
@@LeviAckerman-cb5ji I think he was also motivated by wanting the big seat himself.
He was also tired of Phil being a prick all the time
Butchie wanted the big chair, but not for naked ambition. Butch came up under Carmine. He knew that Phil, vengeful and emotional as he was - could never bring the stability he craved. He also knew Tony as a hothead, with the CoCo’s curbstomp fresh in his memory. Butchie knew that both bosses had to go for any lasting peace. I think he took this idea to Paulie and Patsy, and they heard him out, agreeing to deliver Tony in exchange for Phil. Pretty simple, and plenty of evidence.
True that. My hunch here is that Joey LaRocca killed Tony Soprano. Joey was the illegitimate son of Big Pussy but he realizes that he wants out of the mafia life and he acts like the trigger to Tony’s demise. He had to use a double to avoid the attention because if he saw Tony in the diner, Tony would know that he would be already being set up. He needed a fall guy to appear paranoid. But not from somebody they know.
@@CevicheGato no the killer was the hit man with the memebers only jacket
Little Carmine tells Tony a story about a French finance minister building a huge mansion, outshining the king, and being punished in the end for his ambition. Paulie says something similar: "it's like Sun Tzu says: a good leader is benevolent and unconcerned with fame." Both scenes are played for laughs with horrible mispronunciations, but if you take them seriously, Little Carmine and Paulie are saying the same thing. If you want to survive, lay low and don't be too greedy. Finally, Patsy Parisi says "It won't be cinematic..." when he threatens Gloria. Which is a badass thing to say to intimidate someone. But if we take it seriously, he's saying that there's not going to be a dramatic ending when he plans to kill someone.
I wish they did more with the “I agree in spirit, but I gotta council” guy
What about that Toblerone Bar it should have appeared in every season.
That line sticks with me for some reason, I use it often
He has another great line….”And you used to sell laser printers, out tha back of ya Crown Vic”
Hahahaha
He has a name - Albert "Albie" Cinaflone. He was Phil's consigliere and may now be Butchie's also. He was the only guy who could question Phil under the guise of counseling. Great character! I agree! Wish he played a bigger part.
probably the most true-to-real life portrayal of a aging mafioso ever. exceedingly plain, big old man glasses, but exceptionally cunning and violent.
The feelings i got watching Phil in those final episodes was chilling. You no longer wondered about the end, you knew. Even if he did not directly play a role in Tony’s end, he destroyed the family pretty much, leaving T vulnerable. I had the same reaction to the bikers in the final season of Breaking Bad. Horrifying for what u saw coming.
Butchie’s eye straightened out. Both families were on lockdown. Nothing was happening and you Can’t pause that money for too long.
"Butchie's eye straightened out" - I'm really laughing my ass off
I think Butchie's scene at the phone had an ethnic and cultural component too. In the first season they were talking about the "Albanians living in our houses" if they went into their bunkers facing indictments. Butchie was seeing another culture moving in and thriving while they engaged in petty wars, killing themselves off, like little Italy was killed off.
Outstanding comment.
Also in the scene he is walking in little Italy talking to Phil. By the end he is in China town and doesn’t know where he is anymore.
@@DLHarv they make it pretty obvious it used to be part of little italy.
@@DLHarv he’s not suddenly “in Chinatown”, what used to be little italy IS Chinatown now. He both doesn’t know where he is anymore because it is so different, while at the same time recognizing this is his home where he grew up his whole life.
@@Pantsinabucket you didn’t disprove anything the other guy said or really add any new information either it seems like you just wanted to sound smart and make someone else look dumb by saying nothing of substance
When Phil turned into a house, I always knew he'd have the makings of a varsity magician. It's a shame he couldn't escape the lifestyle though...
Every time I watch that scene and scan and scan for him in the windows. All this time I was looking at him and not even knowing it. Since Butch was inside the house, does that mean they are gay, or….am I overthinking things?
He turned into a house, the shah of Iran, Carnac the great. Phil was a shape shifter
😂😂😂😂
Don't forget that Walter White turned into a glass of whiskey. It's a rare ability and a tremendous asset among the criminal class.
"Take that piece of 💩 and get off my stoop!" 😂
Phil not being a "easy person to get along with" very much a understatement 🤣
Good point at the trenches thing. Makes more sense. Another thing is Butch wanted a swift victory by aiming at the snakes head and get back on business as usual while Phil wanted a war to the last man thus attracting the feds and any attention from the feds is bad for business. Phil's motivation for war is personal, Butch is just strictly business.
It's funny you mention snakes. The interesting thing about snakes is that they reproduce spontaneously
Nailed it. Butch was impatient and confused after the hit on Tony failed. He's looking for an exit strategy from Phil. Phil gives him some bullshit and a promise of an up in the future. Butch tries to press him on it, but Phil irritably shakes his head and hangs up on him. In Mafia terms, "he's not listening". Meanwhile everybody else in the Lupertazzi family is on the mattresses while the Albanians move into their houses... it had to end.
Phil critized butch for not taking out Tony and sil.right away
One important factor not mentioned was who else was at the final sit-down from New York? Carmine Jr. It is also possible that while Butchie felt abandoned by Phil to fight the war that he met with Carmine Jr for advice since he and Tony have always been linked as friends. It is very possible that it was Carmine Jr that wanted his father's seat and HE played the long game and waited for the last two bosses to go before succeeding power. If you recall the final sit-down when Tony asks for a 'twenty on Phil' how does Butchie respond? He looks at Carmine Jr first who gives him the approval to not get in the way of the Jersey crew to do what they got to do. So Butchie looked sub servant to Carmine Jr so we might see that as evidence of who was really calling the shots for New York.
Even if carmine wasnt the boss, anyone who was deferred to him somewhat.
Correct. Carmine Jr had everyone under his subspecies.
Your comment is very allegorical
If there's one thing my father taught me, it's this: A pint of blood costs more than a gallon of gold.
Butch found himself at the precipice of a giant crossroad.
Don’t forget Phil’s brother… whatever happened there
@Father Strength I just saw that episode again. I can now see how Carmine played Tony and Phil against each other beautifully.
WHATEVER HAPPENED THERE??!!!!
@@al1665 lol little carmine was the real G
@@al1665 yep
Butch gave Carmine Jr. a look at that meeting...a look that said "what say you boss?"
Butchy was so well casted, tiny, cross eyed and menacing. Give that casting person a Ham
Those MAnson lamps
Carmine Jr and Butch turned against Phil , killed Tony and ended up doing business with Pauli and Patsy . This is the best explanation so far
No it isn't, Paulie and Patsy didn't take over, Phil's nephew "Billy" killed Tony. He wasnt even in the mob.
@@seansmith7462 link to this theory?
@@jamesmartini4332 google it yourself like how I did
@@seansmith7462
A little help would be good, you can find any theory from a google search, try "was tony soprano a space alien" and you will get stories about Tony being Jabba the hut
@@charles-y2z6c In the end, he was shaped like Jabba so it's not impossible.
There was an explanation for the start of the war. Phil still held a grudge that Tony didn't turn over Blundetto. Not to mention that when Phil was a captain Tony ran him off the road and completely disrespected him. In the real mob guys kill guys over simply laying hands on them, imagine if you ran a button man off the road then choked him all while disrespecting him to other mobsters. The Decalvacante Family could never go against the Gambino's as a lot of guys ended up in Jersey because they couldn't get made in New York. Just like Hesh said he turned to guys like Tony for protection, Tony Turned to New York for the same. Tony broke a lot of rules and the only amazing thing is that war was declared instead of a hit on Tony.
Butch knew anybody that could turn into a house would eventually be a threat
😂😂
I love how many show quotes and memes you can sneak into your narration 😂
I have been searching trought the internet for years expecting to hear this theory about the conection of Butch with the murder of Tony, and I think it combine perfectly with the Paulie-Patsy theory: Butch betrayed Phil and Paulie betrayed Tony, both families moved on from this with new bosses and renewed alliances...Gretting from Brazil and thanks for the explanation, you won a subscriber today!
Who would run Jersey after that?
@@matholomewbrooksopoulos7085 Patsy. His son was engaged to Meadow. He would have known in advance that the Sopranos were having dinner at the diner. Probably still hated Tony for having his twin brother killed.
@@lordsmoke317 i don't think Patsy was strong enough to be boss
@@matholomewbrooksopoulos7085 We never got to see Patsy’s true demeanor. I think he was stronger than we give credit. He showed his cold hearted nature when he intimidated Tony’s side piece at the car dealership. He was brazen enough to almost whack Tony & pissed in his pool. Was sharp enough to survive the hit that got Silvio. Then at the last dinner with Tony, it was clear he was the head of his own personal family and didn’t have a controlling wife like Carm. Plus New York would want a NJ boss that would be more controllable. Patsy Parisi forwarded the info to NY of Tony’s dinner location in exchange for becoming the next boss of Jersey.
@@matholomewbrooksopoulos7085 actually, I think that Paulie would become boss, if you remember well, at the final meet with NY, representing NJ were Tony and Paulie, underlining that Paulie was number 2 already, with Silvio and Bobby out...Also, Paulie was an old-school gangster that was to be respected/feared in NJ, I guess Paulie would become boss and Patsy would become captain or consiglieri...Butchy may have thought that these changes would have the jersey family weakened and that would be good for New York, they could have a bigger piece of the pie, as Tony had always made it hard for NY to earn that extra in the construction business ...
Leaving the ending scene open to interruption (death or arrest) for Tony in the diner, one can assume Butch allowed Phil to be whacked so Butch wouldn't have to deal with the consequences from NY, could have also had Tony whacked since that's what he wanted anyways. Two birds with one stone so to speak. Thus, that leaves Butch as Boss and Tony out of the way, Butch had no one standing in his way. Just my own opinion
Exactly. Phil was pissed at Butch and was going to kill him after this was over. He made his move first.
Butchie triple crossing the bosses of NY and NJ respectively to control both NY and NJ makes perfect sense. He's a surprise. You never see him coming. He represents quiet earnest unfaltering overambition, that is rarely rash or foolish, that is content to wait and bide its time. Seeing all the angles, assesses all the angles and methodically proceeding to manip/control all those angles and achieving the desired outcome. He puts up the front of a loyal soldier/lieutenant and Lupertazzi family fanatic, all the while coveting the top stop for himself. Probably the most interesting character on the show and one the audience knew least about, he's a peripheral character and shadowy. We get the sense he's been around a long time (he's an older cat) and paid his dues but he blends in, he doesn't stand out, being cockeyed makes him at once seem less threatening and yet somehow menacing. You really don't notice him which makes his treachery all the more compelling. He's cunning and wily, springing from the shadows like some feral animal or monster or gollum.
Butchie could certainly see all angles, in widescreen…. I wonder if that is why they cast that specific actor.
Excellent run down of the Butch’s mindset and the dynamics between NY and NJ.
Butch was waiting for Carmine. But then he learned that Carmine was gone, he left. Happens all the time.
Butchie got two bosses killed*. Fucking incredible.
*think about it
Butch’s crooked eye allowed him to keep his eyes on both bosses, turning his shortcoming into a strength .
@@rsmith7994 eyes rolling round like stevie wonder
maybe more... you can't prove he never poisoned Carmine's Egg Salad and injected Jackie Aprille and Johnny Sack with cancer
I think butchie had everything planned out. In the scene where they were in the hair salon with him and albie, there’s a picture of a young girl/model on the wall, this the same girl who randomly shows up at AJs mental hospital and then starts hanging with him when the war starts, she’s there in the safe house when Carm & Tony say they’re going to halstons diner (where Tony is ultimately killed) the girl has some kinda connection to butchie is my point. With Phil dead and Tony dead he was in the clear to lead nyc as the new boss.
You can't really see it's the same girl. This theory is one of dumbest there is... Tony was already back at his house when the family met at Holstein's, his whereabouts where known to everyone at that point, he wasn't hiding anymore, anyone could've followed him. Mobsters using a 16 year old girl as a undercover informant, jesus fucking christ 😂😂
Phil was out of shineboxes. Ain't nobody gonna compromise for another 20 years.
Gravy's good tonight
All I know is Phil never had the makings of a varsity athlete.
Missed the fact when Butchie rings Phil in the Chinatown scene, he has a guy with him. When it turns out that Phil is not going to meet Butchi in person, Butchie signals to the guy that he's not needed. Butchie was expecting Phil to be in the neighborhood and had a guy ready to whack him
Phil was bad for business. Carmine clearly pulled the strings better without the title. Butchie answered to carmine in the end and it was clearly a way better deal than Phil’s emotional fits of street violence
The last phone call between Butch and Phil is the key I think. Phil makes it clear that Butchs’ days are numbered by saying that they are going to “ talk” soon. Butch new it was kill..or be killed.
"If there's one thing my father taught me, it's this: A pint of blood costs more than a gallon of gold."
Even more so but until it is it'll be hard to verify that it is more expensive
Thanks, very allegorical Carmine Jr.
Butch would make the perfect mob boss imo. He's best suited, out of everyone else, to have his sights on NY and NJ simultaneously.
Maybe Patsy showed up in the back of his car one night and told him that it won't be cinematic.
How could Patsy sit in the back seat when it's askew?
@@normie2716 he felt like he was sitting at 12 o clock tho
Phil didn't want his nipples scraped off the fine leather seats
I always thought it was the phone conversation. Remember when Phil says “We’re gonna have a chat when this is over kid” implying a bump or two in which Butch says “I hope so” then, Phil pretends that the line was bad and hangs up. Phil didn’t want to be screwed down on a role for Butch and Butch realised this. It was quite obvious
Phil was costing them more than a gallon of gold, so they took his pint of blood
“Listen kid when you get back we are having a sit down you and me,
“ I hope so”
“ I can’t hear you, your breaking up”
“ I SAID I hope” hangs up
Eyes in different directions
Yes, that has alot to do with it,weather butch had a plan before this ti see Phil and Tony go idk,but after the phone call you just referenced, butch saw the writing on the wall,he decided phil would ultimately be an enemy, and then he bid his time till he could get Tony
One thing about Phil. Its not all talk wit him.
Phil yelled at him once, Butchie never forgave him for that
Poor Billy was just a kid, barely out of nappies.
Yup! Just turning 40 is like a kid to 66 year old Phil.
I'm surprised you didn't consider the possibility that Butch was playing the Starscream role and helping position Phil as the bad guy. All the aggressive advice he gave to Phil was in person... on the phone and in sit downs with other folks, though, he was portraying the role of someone who didn't want war. He knew Phil didn't have the temperament to really last as the boss, and there was so much churn in that position already, what's one more? HE ALWAYS PLANNED TO BECOME BOSS. He USED Phil! He gets Phil out of the way and he's the boss of that operation and has a good relationship with Tony, who doesn't know his role in setting off the war. Heck, he probably arranged the hit on Tony in front of his family because, as an old school guy, he would've resented the way Phil got clipped in front of his wife and grandkids (there were a couple of people in Tony's organization he could have gone through to help him set it up at that point). At the end of the day, he's the last man standing in the highest position. Maybe he can work through Paulie to shore up the DiMeo operation, maybe he has him clipped too... who knows? He's a ruthless SOB.
Come to think about that now, I have a different theory, butch didn't exactly based Tonys hit exactly on that but over tonys brazenly bashing Carl's shwarbs teeth in front of butch in that restaurant.
That was disrespect to him who saw the whole thing and overall new York crew.
Take note that it was butch who really floated around the idea of just outrightly liquidating the jersey mob altogether. This was when john and all the top guys were gone, Phil was supreme head.
@@goodwinter6017 Yep that makes sense too. Either way Butch had "old school guy" reasons why he'd "break the rules" and clip Tony in front of his folks, and either way it really does seem like he slickly positioned himself to take over. He's like the ANTI-Tony in that regard. It would be interesting watching a series with HIM as the protagonist
Let me tell ya a couple of three things, Phil was a grilled cheese filled, tissue soiling dinosaur, who did 20 years in the can btw. He didn't know how the streets had changed. Butchie had his finger on the pulse
@Mitch Qumstein A come from behind kinda guy if you will.
Butchie had his finger on the pulse, one eye on the moon and the other on the daisies.
My estimation of him as a man fucking plummeted when he went into hiding, even though he was boss of one of the 5 families.
butch always had the advantage because he could simultaneously have one eye on phil and the other on tony
Looking forward to the video on the Paulie/Patsy angle. IMO something had to have been worked out with the hit on Tony, otherwise it would have been seen as a betrayal of the peace settlement that could reignite the war. Patsy would have been the one in the best position to know where Tony was going to be, since his son was close to Meadow, who was going to meet Tony at the diner. The hitman arrived, saw he had a clear shot at Tony without Meadow there, and took care of business.
Meadow could also have been in on the hit, with her parallel parking adventure being a ruse to allow the hitman time to do his job (KIDDING!).
When Phil said to Butch they were going to have to talk,coupled with Phil prolonging the conflict,prohibiting everyone from earning,he had to go.
It's simple, Butch saw they lost. The price for his life was not standing in the way of Phil's death.
Lost? They wacked Bobby B. and took Silvio out of commission.
They didn’t lose they would’ve won if butch didn’t back down
I think Butch made a deal with Paulie/Patsy to get rid of both Phil and Tony.
@@bluegoldfish8113 they wouldn’t have. They missed their shot by not killing Tony first. They never intended to go to war, just kill the top leadership and do business with what’s left. With Tony and the rest of the crew alive they would’ve been able to regroup and fight back in a total war. Nobody would’ve won.
@@alexander1902 New York had all the advantages by the time Tony came the table to sue for peace. They took out his most loyal and capable lieutenants, leaving him isolated. What had Tony’s crew accomplished to that point? They killed Phil’s side piece and her dad, not exactly a crippling blow to NYs operations. Really, who did Tony have left that he could really trust to help him coordinate a retaliation? Carlo had already agreed to flip, Patsy had a long standing animosity towards Tony over what happened to his brother, and we know Paulie had no qualms about selling Tony out if he get he though he could benefit from it. Any of these guys could easily switch sides in a long protracted war, especially if they were forced into hiding and were unable to earn. It’s pretty clear from Butchie walking Little Italy out in the open that he didn’t have any concern about a potential New Jersey counter strike, otherwise why be so nonchalant about being out there? New York also had sheer numbers on their side. There’s a reason why they keep bringing up the joke about the Soprano Family being a glorified crew. They were a smaller operation and didn’t have nearly the number of soldiers that New York had. Tony knew he was losing, that’s why he reached out to put an end to it. Butchie acquiesced and gave Tony what he wanted because he wanted to get Phil out of the picture and take over without having to do the dirty work himself. It was unlikely that New York was going to lose a protracted war with New Jersey.
I believe Butchie had Tony killed as well. Not only to get rid of Tony and can potentially consolidate the New Jersey crew since Paulie has no loyalty and Ally Boy's crew really wouldn't care who they were kicking up to. Don't forget that Tony had Coco's teeth smashed right in front of Butchie. Also, Tony pointed a gun at Butch. They don't let that kind of thing slide.
They were at a stalemate. They couldn't get to Tony and NJ couldn't get to Phil. Both families were losing money.
You mean a stagmire
Was it really that hard to find out where Tony was?
I Mean That could Stake out satriale's pork store/Tony Mini Mansion(Phil Visited B4 so Knows Exact Location),Or wait till see Target 🎯 like Tony,Bobby,Silvio Together than decimate the Leadership Do Business with what is left over.
I came for the comments & was not disappointed!!
It also didn’t help when Phil says to Butchy in the end of the phone call, “Hey kid, when this is all over we’re gonna sit down, just me & you” & then poceeded to hang up on him. Love your videos good shit brotha 🫡
I think Butch's reasons are basically what he says. Phil is weaker than he thought, and not quite as devoted to the rules of the life as Butch thought, so he said 'screw it'.
If Phil isn't who Butch thought he is, what are they fighting for? Butch can make as much money or more, and less headache if this is the real Phil.
Even with all of that, Butch doesn't break the code to give up Phil's location.
Because Al Capone already tried to take him out and he had to step down so when he thought he might get taken out again...exactly what phil said to him on the phone, he decided to act first. Hence why Phil was take out by Buth aka johnny torio.
The phrase “we’ll talk about this when I get back” and Rusty being in Chinatown when the conversation end….it’s right there
This really wasn't all that complicated.
He wanted to be higher up in the organization, and wasn't satisfied waiting any longer. He probably knew Phil was going to drag his feet, so he decided to make his move.
No-one in the family could respect Phil once they found out he’d turned into a house.
3:03 edgiest Ford commercial ever.
Phil implied he would kill butch “we’re going to have a sit down after this is over.” Cell reception was bad but butch said he “hoped so.” But he told Tony war had gone to far and such.
No, no, no! Butch was saying he was hoping for the sit-down. Phil was suggesting to Butch that for all his hard work that when the family wins the war that Phil would reward Butch with bigger money deals and such. Phil wasn't threatening Butch. Wake up and watch again!
@@FreeOpenTruth Well it was late when I watched it.
Why do people keep saying that? Why the fuck would Butchie say "I hope so" if Phil was implying he was going to kill him? Wouldn't he then stand there with a suspicious look on his face, instead of a confused and forlorn one?
I feel like I lose braincells when some of you people give your theories. Butch explains to Tony exactly why he's through with Phil, and it's not because he's afraid of him.
"ah hope so" such a vicious comeback, des fois.
I will add that I think Tony busting up Coco actually worked in Tony's favor here. Butchie saw Tony was capable of decisive action and someone to be feared, respected, and potentially a good partner to have in Jersey, as was the case with Carmine Sr.
It's amazing all the different comments on these videos about the ending. They are all brilliant assumptions and all could be true. What a master piece of a show.
Little Carmine orchestrated everything from the sidelines like a great coach. He was down in Florida. He brokered the sit down between Tony and Phil. Then he brokered the sit down with New York. Go watch that scene again. Watch what Carmine does when they leave. Carmine ended up running things exactly how Tony did with Junior as the figurehead.
I think Little Carmine is a secret genius that acts dumb to fool people haha.
@@shaneludwick2139 like with the meeting of minds. Whatever happened there? Sheer genius. He wanted a war between Phil and Tony. They'd take each other out and he'd have Paulie left in New Jersey and Butchie running New York for him.
@@TuMalditaMadre Great minds think alike, you said exactly what I thought about that meeting.
@@shaneludwick2139 these are things we only think of years later, after rewatching the series for the umpteenth time.
That's the joy of streaming and BluRay, we can look deeper into our favorite movies because we have the ability to rewatch them. The Sopranos is one of the greatest TV series of all time, Breaking Bad is another one as well.
GREAT VID! Phil recovered in the hospital not in prison...
He's thinking of poor Johnny
I’m in the Butch camp. He planned it out to remove Phil become the boss by using war with jersey. Phil and Tony took the fall leaving Butch as boss NY and knocking down Jersey before Soprano crew became bigger threat than the red headed stepchild it always was.
Butch was a smart powerful NY crime boss.
Its all in there , Paul and patsy along w butch pulled a coupe.
"And so it goes"- K. Vonnegut
Chase is a brilliant writer
That was always weird to me, they had Tony cornered, took out his upper ranks and then just let it go? Maybe butchie did that to get Tony to drop his guard? That was always just weird to me
The Lupertazzis were not willing to go back to war with New Jersey over the way Phil was killed. In fact, it was actually necessary for Phil to get popped in front of his wife since she was the one controlling Phil anyway. There was a scene in season 6 where his wife was telling him what needs to be done about Vito as Phil lay on the bed silent with no pants on. They couldn't have made it more obvious that his wife wears the pants in the family, not Phil. They literally shot a scene where Phil didn't have any pants on to illustrate this.
Next, the Lupertazzis had already given Tony permission to whack Phil. How he does it is of no concern to them. Keep in mind this is the same crime family who's clout has been greatly diminished in recent years by the massive federal indictments Jimmy Petrile's cooperation led to, and the same crime family who's been locked in an endless cycle of bloodshed ever since Carmine Sr. died. They're depleted by now. Furthermore, while it was never stated outright, the past two years would've seen the Lupertazzi family's power in New York wane considerably as a result of the other Five Families creeping in to chisel away at the traditional territories and rackets in the power vacuum the indictments and civil wars created.
Lastly, *I will NEVER believe Butch assumed the role of boss after this war.* I will never agree to this when you could see the sheer misery that was written across Little Carmine's face during the sit-down. His defeated, exasperated demeanor suggests he was also taking the L here by doing the one thing it took him several months to realize he didn't want for himself after all- becoming boss of the family (allusion to the conversation he had with Tony earlier in season 6 about his dream of Carmine Sr. wearing the paper crown and being disappointed his son was pursuing becoming a mob boss instead of a family man capable of experiencing genuine fulfillment in his life). Butch also looked to Carmine before answering a couple of times during the sitdown too, which further hints that Carmine was actually the one in charge now- no matter how much it depressed him.
Also, based on the news segments the mobsters all watched in Season 5 where Feech, Angelo, Tony B, and Phil were released from prison, and the civil war their returns ignited within the Lupertazzi family, Little Carmine was likely the only candidate the captains and soldiers on the street would accept at this point. The entire Brooklyn faction was disgusted with Johnny Sac, Phil Leotardo, Doc Santoro, and the others' endless fight for the rapidly shrinking profits and prestige that Carmine Sr.'s death spurred.
I always like Butch and I honestly would've preferred if he was the final boss for the Sopranos crew, not phil, just because it would've a good example of Tony running through everyone he had goodwill with in New York. However I also like the idea of Butch being the last man standing after Tony gets whacked.
Because Phil threatened Butch’s life. The last episode during their phone call Butch suggested to Phill that they should reach out to Tony to make peace. Phil got pissed at that and let Butch know that he was upset at the fact that they didn’t kill Tony first and that when this was over he and Butch were going to have a sit down. At that point Butch knew his life was in danger and decided to side with Tony.
He was sick of phil being emotional from wine and an empty stomach
Butch knows the strategies of war. He definitely read the 48 Laws.
Wish we got a movie later to see Tony and Butch working together but James died so they could not do it
Have you or could you do a breakdown of the sitdown Tony did with New York talking about Phil. for instance, your view on Tony asking about compensation for his sister, Janice, and what if anything did the people in the room think about that?
0:32, Paulie has his pinkie out even when not pointing. Like the gesture of “devil horns” in America, I read that pointing with index and pinkie fingers is an Italian warning about the devil
theories are just that. We can theorize on the meaning of the way someone says "hello". I think the writers were just tryin to end the damn thing.
@6:02 what vito sees when he looks down!!
“That's what it comes down to: availability. The people that see me every day that are on my side, they feel safe because they know I'm close. That gives them more reason to love me.
The people that want to do otherwise, they think twice because they know I'm close. That gives them more reason to fear me.” - Sonny
I use to like that movie but watching recently it blows.
@@usnationalist8150 nah it’s still great. Almost a top 5 mob movie. Script, acting, soundtrack, story, directing all great
But I thought Butchie says “I can’t go there” regarding giving a location on Phil, it was Agent Harris who gave up the gas station (??).
Philly never had the makings of a varsity athlete.
Either did toney if you ask junior
I think butch falls into that category Tony talks about how some people just wanna whack someone. Butch had bloodlust in him since day one.
Easiest theory thag no one talks about. He gave the nod to Tony to take him out so he would take out Tony and look like a hero and become boss in the same swing. Real life situation that’s what happens
While nobody actually knows what the characters did & didn't do by the final episode, I like to think Butch ordered the hit on Tony. While Butch's character was never fully developed like Phil, with Phil and NJ's top three all gone there was nobody else. Even out of a comma, Silvio was too indecisive and lacked the management skills, as demonstrated when Tony laid in his comma. And even if Bobby wasn't whacked, he was certainly too stupid to run the family, confusing Nostradamus with Hunchback of Notre Dame over steak with Tony.
1:12 wait Phil did time in prison I never knew he barley ever mentioned it
He didn’t like it when Phil turned into a house. It wasn’t right. He should of stood like a man.
Comment of the year right here
Uncle Philly my ass
@@phil-Leotardo.171 have a breadstick
@@ronaldlymm7248-Take your fn breadstick & get the hell off my stoop!
11:55 that goes in hand with Tony said to chris we collect the crumbs from the fallout
I think the "because Phil was an epic asshole" theory has a lot of weight.
I believe the theory at the end that he pushed Phil to war because he knew eventually he would get the hot-headed Phil to act on it. He could then blame it on Phil, no one would question it and he could take over.
Phil did 20 years in the can without a peep. And a lot of people forget that!
It was either Butchie, or Pop-N-Fresh from the bakery that had Tony whacked.
Butch saw the writing on the wall. That phone call showed that Phil was only in it for himself. Butch was expendable. It was a matter of survival.
Or butch wanted to sit on the throne .
@@mr.flickyda-bean7221 exactly
It's better to be the puppet master, vs being the boss.