Kobe Bryant NTSB Preliminary Report- So Close to Making It!
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- Important new details and clarity in the NTSB preliminary report on this tragic crash.
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Juan thank you,
I am a corporate s-76 pilot in NYC and follow you channel we share the same passion for learning,and truth
i have a few questions.
has anyone found out if the pilot has any formal training at Flight Safety or simuflight
25 years ago when i started flying the 76 my initial training was 14 days and almost 20 hours in the simulator
with recurrent training once a year which is 5 days of training and simulator time,
this is the big iron of the helicopter world, very rare to see single pilot and an insurance company that would approve this type of operation
with out special training for single pilot operations, i do know of some medevac and offshore company's that do it , IFR, airport to airport ( departure to approach )
not scud running in a 76, the noise alone would anger the neighborhoods
AP's on ( auto pilot's on ) is part of the standard before take off check list in any 76,
take your feet off the pedals and your fingers off the triggers and the helicopter would auto stabilize SAS stability augmentation system part
of the auto pilot
this truly is a tragedy
my prayers to all involved
The fact that he was flying solo was definitely odd. Chatting with friends we all had the same thoughts. Kobe was a VIP worth hundreds of millions of dollars. Whenever we flew anyone that was a VIP, we never did it solo. Insurance companies do not want to pay out the type of money that can bankrupt them. Presidents of banks, VIPs, actors, athletes and your everyday rich people could not be flown single pilot. We'll never know what he was thinking but he obviously omitted the truth. The 1st time I listened to the audio I knew he was being less than truthful. He repeated the clearance but he didn't follow it. Ego, star struck, get there itis or his attention was on something else? Just sad all around.
Is there room in the rapid decent data to conjecture settling with power?
@@CDB1952 Can't get settling with power if your above ETL 16-24 knots. Speed was not below 100Kts.
tunneldrag In a previous video, Juan had a discussion with an EMS pilot, and they came to similar conclusions.
@@frederickwhite6416 I rode in an S-76 and Bell 214 in Alaska several times in IFR operations and there were always two pilots, and in the S-76 the Auto pilot was used exclusively in IMC conditions. I seem to recall that single-pilot IFR was not approved in the S-76 for that 135 operation and even under part 91.
It's hard for me to understand why 76 people (as of February 8th) gave this video a thumbs down. Facts only and no opinions were presented. I appreciate that a knowledgeable person took the time to create it. Very well done!
I don't understand why anyone dislikes any of Blancolirio's videos. Juan always does a great job.
So well-presented. Thank you. This accident is so compelling and so tough at the same time. Peace and comfort to the families.
Your reports are always Accurate and super detailed. You make the information so easy to digest and understand. Thank you as always
Thanks for putting so much time into your videos !! We appreciate it!
Juan, nice job on this one. Been following your channel since the beginning and this crash on your channel since it happened. I was flying in to LAX on SWA when the crash happened and remembered noting how foggy it was. Sad situation especially hearing how close they came to breaking out.
1000th like 👏your videos are very informative and I appreciate hearing your perspective. Thank you for keeping us educated and explaining things easily to those who don't understand all the ins and outs of aviation lingo.
Thank you SO much for your report! Clear, concise, and very informative! I didn't personally know anyone aboard this flight. But I am terribly hurt by it! Your reports help to give me closure. Thank you.
Fascinating and comprehensive, Juan. I can almost imagine being aboard the helicopter. So sad and tragic.
An axiom that we lived by in my police department was, "In order to there first, you first have to get there." It's important that we review and critique incidents like this so we can increase of knowledge base and hopefully prevent future disasters of this type. Unfortunately, this pilot was obviously aware of the dangers involved flying in conditions that were present during the flight and continued to worsen as time went by. The helicopter driver you interviewed in a previous video expressed, at least in my view, the truth about this crash. Just because a helicopter pilot CAN fly in special VFR conditions doesn't mean they SHOULD. He was much closer than 100 feet from "making it." He was zero feet from making it as all he had to do is simply turn around when conditions began to worsen. Regardless of how much training pilots receive, no matter how much experience they have, and no matter how much avionics we stuff into an aircraft, there is no protection to to be had when a human being ignores their training, experience, and all of the bits of flight data they have processed, and dives headfirst into the stupid pool. Regardless of the profession, there's simply is no substitute for common sense. When that last line of defense fails, helicopters crash and police officers die.
@@heyinway apparently he hovered and circled in the area next door (Glendale) for 15 minutes, waiting for clearance so as to enter the Burbank area. Surely during this time he could have ascertained, or a ground controller could have mentioned extremely foggy conditions ahead of him? This is when he must have had a few reservations about this flight. I also think it was really bad luck that at this crucial time, as he was trying to rise up above the fog, that the ground controller he was in communication with, went off duty, and the new guy wasn't aware of the situation. Precious seconds lost.
@Melvin Walker I think many people have commented that he was going too fast as he turned West to follow Hwy 101. So, his decision to fly at a fast speed in SVFR with deteriorating conditions as he approached the mountain range (which he was very familiar with) was probably a very bad one for his experience level. I do feel sorry for him and his family, but sometimes we just make simple mistakes that begin a domino effect of more mistakes.
that's a great sentiment - but you can't train for, and can't prepare for pressure cooker type situations like this - i am willing to bet this pilot felt immense pressure to deliver for a VIP. And he probably had taken chances before and didn't get burned so he had a false sense of security. Monday morning QBing is easy.
@@heyinway I believe he was going too fast to do this. Personally, I believe he saw the first big hill top coming fast at him (where the 101 makes a sharp curve approx 45 degrees SW to go around this big hill.) If you look at the parallel road, Mureau Road, next to the 101, it dead ends perpendicular into Las Virgenes Rd. I believe he reacted to the hilltop popping in front if him by pulling up immediately and ascending. (I don't think he any choice.) So, once he did that maneuver, he is already headed into IMC/the clouds.
Note: I asked this same question a couple of days after the accident, and basically was told he couldn't hover unless the heli had fixed points for hovering to work. This basically cant happen in IMC because of drift and other issues. (Pardon me if this is not technically accurate.) Hopefully a pilot can explain better. If he had been flying slower after passing Van Nuys, then it seems like he could have stayed within SVFR and seen the beginning of the mountain range approaching, then do as you said.
Brilliant and direct. I think you nailed it. As Dirty Harry put it , a man's got to know his limitations. Humility is merely intellectual honesty. And he honestly ought to have aborted. A sad and regrettable choice. I a sense, like so many other moments in all our lives, he failed by not being conservative enough and failing to respect the risk. Welcome to the human race. RIP.
Much appreciated as always Juan, thank you ..
There are 2 things that are hammered into every student pilot.
1. Trust your instruments
2. Altitude is your friend
It seems like the pilot was aware of and attempting to gain altitude but, his mistake was not trusting his instruments. Every aircraft has a roll and bank indicator - a relatively simple instrument that shows the angle of the wings (rotors) relative to the horizon. Trusting that instrument alone will guarantee that you don't enter into an unwanted turn. His altimeter would have provided the information needed to determine whether he was climbing or descending and his air speed indicator would have shown him how fast he was traveling. These are all basic instruments that are in all aircraft.
Conclusion - pilot error. And almost unforgivable based on his license ratings.
As an IFR trained pilot I agree.
@@Born_Stellar No offense.. I am having a hard time accepting that a well qualified, recent checkride, 8000 hr CFII, made a pilot error thru an easy-peasy, 1500-2000 ft cloud layer, 4-5 minute, calm wind and air, STRAIGHT CLIMB, 500fpm cyclic climb-out! I am thinking no CFIT, but Medical (heart attack), Mechanical or vacuum gyro failure. I also find it hard to believe Spatial disorientation on a straight 4-5 min climb-out. Also, Why would he have to "fixate" on anything, other than AI and airspeed, in a short 4-5 minute climb? His climb airspeed was 125kts according to ADS-B data.I don't see a need for any autopilot or related issue. I think Juan said AP was not engaged. Anything is possible, but a 1500' cloud layer, calm wind, IMC climb-out is about as easy as it gets for 8000 hr CFII. Just trying to make sense of it all. RIP.
David AviationKnowledgeOrg I would tend to agree that something else happened. But then again that’s a pretty darn long 5 minutes of what was likely all 9 people in certain panic.
@@ryanfick1033 The 5 minutes was referring to the normal, straight 500fpm climb-out. I doubt if passengers were panicked during normal climb thru 1500-2000 ft cloud layer. They were probably panicked after inadvertent and unusual attitude, 4000fpm descending turn to left. According to NTSB and Juan above, what caused the turn is the question?
@@discodave1976 -
There was one gentleman who was interviewed who said (based on his accounts), he heard the helicopter in the air, but could not see it; meaning if he was on the ground and due to the marine layer fog, it's a chance the pilot could not see well in front of him or even below him? Let's not discount we are talking about the fog in an elevated environment, we are not talking about height based off of sea level.
Thanks Juan! Appreciate what you're doing for keeping everyone informed. The best way to prevent accidents is to learn from those that happen. Such a tragic series of events.
I work Avionics for a very large and well known Helicopter company. When I tell you a 76 is a handful to fly for even 2 pilots in vfr conditions......just imagine how hard it is for a single pilot in ifr conditions. The workload is overload. We don't fly our 76's ifr at all. And our customers insist we fly dual pilots, always, for added safety. Two heads are always better than one. There was no good reason to go iimc. This looks like a classic case of getthereitis, coupled with spatial distortion followed by loss of control.
" Two heads are always better than one"
Nikolai Ilyich Kamov, 1947
Why is it so hard to fly that helicopter and what do you mean workload
@@gordslater "One head is WAY better than none."
Louis XVI, 1793
Doug Potts keep your heading and don’t slow down?? What’s that mean?
Toob247 Toob247 thank you!
Thank you Juan for helping us get clarity!
Thanks, Juan. You provide an invaluable service with these reports
Thank u...u always break it down to where we all can understand. Great channel!
Thank you Juan for yore amazing clarity of reporting the facts...
Thank you for taking your time to explain to the layman the preliminary report
We used to have to wait a year or more for the FAA report, while at the local airport, everyone knew what happened because they all talked about the technical details. Thank GOD for the Interwebs, now we are like jaw-boning with the guys at the airport who pretty much figured out what must have happened! Thanks Blancoliro, for sharing your world with us! We want to know!
Yes, point taken
The report is gonna be really interesting. On top of all the other factors that have been discussed in detail,.I.think.Ara was.star.struck
I love the arm chair pilots here saying this pilot couldn't have made a mistake with all his experience. I've been working in telecom for 5 years and have worked in rain, snow, heavy winds and rain. I have all sorts of experience climbing poles and ladders. 2 months ago i fell off my ladder doing something that's become 2nd nature to me. Regardless of experience we are not pefect and we all fuck up and makes mistakes. Bad things happen to good people. That is what happened here. No kamikaze stuff or illuminati blood sacrafice here. Pilot made a bad decision. Period
Robert Ellion We never gain enough experience where we are safe from ourselves.
Yes, if you, like me, watch all the videos about airplane crashes, the pilots almost always are highly experienced with thousands of flight hours yet still make fatal mistakes. Probably complacency and self-confidence contribute.
I’ve seen once that regardless of the hours you have. Every ~350 hours you are at an increased risk for being too comfortable with an aircraft.
I agree based on reading all this...and I am not a Pilot. Sad mistake, though. Truly sorry it happened.
Robert Ellion, EXACTLY. Humans are flawed and always will be. A lot of people can't accept that its seemingly more and more likely that the pilot made an error that cost him and others there lives. So sad.
thanks Juan...for another of your complete and accurate reports...
First time I heard of this incident i knew pilot got spatially disoriented in IMC conditions flying under special VFR. No matter how trained you are, flying in soup basically blind does get you disoriented, without sensational feelings of gravity, orientation or coordination
Sorry for lives lost and my deepest condolences to families
Give me a break. He was a CFII
vidznstuff1
He’s a dead one now
He was in the cloud for 3 seconds so I don't think he got disoriented. Stop trying to act like you know what your talking about.
After looking into it I truly believe the same.
@@sean7854 It doesn't take long for special disorientation to kick in. It's no different than when someone looks down to check a text while driving and in that 3 seconds or so loses control and crashes their vehicle. An act as simple as looking down can cause special disorientation. So yes, in just a few seconds you can become disoriented and crash.
Thanks Blanco, these updates are great and explain a lot I wouldn’t get otherwise.
Sir always great information and you have become my first stop into aviation related dilemmas. Thank you for your content!
Regarding spatial disorientation it can happen in a small manner in clear skies, if you've ever flown a light aircraft above clouds it can feel like you are completely still in the air and just hanging there. It's a weird and strange sensation and it makes you think you could just step out of the aircraft. It's only a momentarily thing but it shows that the mind can be easily confused by visual effects.
Richard Bradley ....You are totally correct on how easy it is to confuse your mind! I think about as a kid when traveling on the freeway and sitting in the back seat looking out the window while slowly passing a tractor trailer and as you’re looking it starts to look like the truck is moving backwards. It’s very easy to get disoriented when you don’t have anything around you to judge your position. And when flying in clouds and even as you said in clear conditions when flying really high and above the clouds you can become totally confused about speed and surroundings because it’s no surroundings around you to measure by, so your body can tell you something totally different than what is really happening. And for the people saying why didn’t the pilot do this, that or the other those decisions had to be made way before he was in that situation because once he flew into those clouds he only had a matter of seconds to do a whole lot of things all while being disoriented. Time was not something that he had!!!!!
This is very well worded and explained.
But wouldn't a heli pilot would likely be the most spatially aware of altitude and altitudinal direction of *anyone* in the air - excluding zeppelins and balloons? It's the most basic element of the entire thing. I would think that only the very most basic of beginners would be susceptible to that. To think that an experienced heli pilot had issues with up-and-down level(alt.) and up-and-down direction (pitch) is really a massive stretch for me. Yes, even in pitch blackness. It's the most fundamental aspect of any. But you make an interesting point. I just struggle to make the leap that someone of the pilot's experience would be susceptible.
@@Bill_Woo it happens to experienced pilots all the time.
SpaXpert I’m not a pilot, but I was driving in a snowstorm the snow resembled Styrofoam balls. The wind was swirling it all around, and I thought to myself this is what they’re talking about. The only reason I knew I wasn’t upside down, Was the fact that my butt was sitting in the seat that I knew was attached to the car whose tires were actually on the ground. I felt like I was floating and spinning.
Thanks for the update Juan.
No one is covering this better than Juan ! Thank you
I agree that he explains things very well. But The Flight Channel has come out with an excellent video too that recreates the trip on a simulator. I highly recommend watching it as an adjunct to this video.
@@vernicethompson4825 yes i saw that too.Its good but doesn't provide a theory on what happened.Just my preference but its good as well.
Thank you Juan! So appreciate your reporting!
Thanks Juan for keeping us informed.
Thank you Juan for this very good reporting.
Love your videos Juan. Keep them coming.
Hey JB, thanks for sticking with this incident and keeping us updated with visual aids. Looking forward to your continued updates on this issue. Take care and God bless. Have my ears on for an update on your paperwork on getting back to work. 👍🏼🙏✌
Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge of this . You break it down, so we can understand.
This is the best aviation news channel. Precise facts. Thank you Mr. Juan Browne
Excellent report! As always Mr. Browne..
Thank you sir.
Thanks for your work! Learning new thing from your video!
Must have stayed up all night to edit and get this video out, thanks for the report!
Thank you for the perfect informations!
Thank you Juan, for providing the NTSB findings. For it was a somber revelation and I just pray that Kobe, his daughter and others RIP.
Thank you for all the updates
Doesn’t matter how close they were they should not have been there.....
@@skatelife2013 what do you mean it's a hoax?? Are you trying to say Kobe his daughter and those 7 other people didn't die?? Or are you saying it's a hoax as in they did die just not like how the media is reporting it??
@@skatelife2013 get off the drugs
As always Juan, nice job!
Thank you so much for these videos. Aviation isn’t my forte at all but I always get curious when tragic events like this happen. After going down the TH-cam worm hole I stumbled upon your videos about this crash. Really well done sir.
Thanks again Capt. Juan for all your insight and experience...there are so many helpful videos on TH-cam for non-pilot viewers to help them understand the extreme difficulty of coping with Spatial Disorientation in heavy fog or clouds...and how our body systems can work to actually fool us...
Thank you so much for this very informative report! It definitely clarified my suspicions of "Pilot Error"...without intention...just bad judgment!😢 May they all RIP 😇😇😇😇😇😇😇😇😇
A hundred ft to clear, that’s a heart breaker.
It definitely is 😔
@T. Duncan What? There was 100ft before breaking out above the clouds. There wasn't anything cleared by 100ft.
If he was in a downward spiral due to spatial disorientation he would have hit the ground anyways. There is no way to recover from that at this point. He did not manage to get above the clouds in time, spatial disorientation hit him before he was able to do so, thats why the spiraling downwards .
@@katana5562 correct.
Great report explaining without any bias ...Thanks Juan.
Thanks so much, Juan--another excellent analysis.
Juan's comment that he almost made it is referring to breaking out of the clouds and not to the early reports of almost making it by almost clearing the peak which he made some clarification to in his first or second video.
Correct, important distinction.
do you think he saw something as to the started to turn left? As to trying to miss hitting something?
What's the difference? Sorry english is not my language so maybe I dont understand correctly but clearing the peak is the same as after that it would be a safe flight wouldnt it? Thanks!
@@sandmansimms5704 I don't think so because he was clear of everything from radar from what i can tell, he also pulled up so no.
B Matic No, the almost cloud clearance happened some time before the impact with the peak.
Man I miss flying..thank you for your time sir..it was as all. A tragic. Event....I've flew over some of the craziest terrain..rocky mountains..Alaska. Bush drops..first and foremost fly the craft...thanks again.
This latest detail....especially with the ATC communications and ADS-B data (I know it’s not new, but some of it was to me even though I’ve been fallowing this closely) really sheds some new light and paints a much better picture. I hadn’t heard ALL of this data until now. Once again, great video and thanks for sharing Juan...your the man.
Thanks again Juan. I hope you don't mind but I send your reports to my nonpilot friends. You're ability to simply things so others can understand is great. You can dumb it down well (glowing praise). Seriously, it's easier to comprehend things because you explain it. If I understand it anyone can. My IQ is just below the Forrest Gump line. It cuts down the time trying to explain things over the phone and answers many of their questions. It really is praise and many of us appreciate what you do. Definitely one of the best online.
Thanks for these videos, very informative. What a sad situation, this report built upon what we had already thought and makes it even more heartbreaking.
Thank u for ur excellent analysis Juan
Still so devastated 💔 with this terrible accident.
I appreciate the detailed follow up explanation. You are undoubtedly a professional!
Thank you for the break down and well articulated explanation. 🙏🏽
Very informative, as always. Peace...
The new information makes me scratch my head even further. It appears that the tools needed to perform the function of getting on top were available. So were they just not being used? Just a quick 'feel it out' to punch through the clouds without realizing you're rolling to the left? It's wild what a handful of seconds of disorientation can result in. So sad. Such an unnecessary loss.
Thanks Juan for the work you put into your channel! It's great to have reliable and unbiased information when looking at data. Keep up the good work!
I have the same question. If he was performing an emergency IMC maneuver, was he not fully trusting the instruments?
I'm with you he panic big time........
I think all pilots need both training TYR
Trust your instruments
Elite Soulfly No. He wasn’t taking request during an IMC maneuver.
Condition like that not trusting instruments the lifespan is only 15-10 seconds average
@Elite Soulfly lmao! 😅 You're talking about a situation that's stressful to the most experienced helicopter pilots... And you think he's worried about kids getting a view of someone's house? This isn't E! 👀
Thank you. You did a fantastic job of explaining this report.
What a great analysis. At long last something simple to understand for those of us that don’t have any aviation knowledge. Thanks for the video.
Juan, excellent update as always !! Love the channel. Can you add to your list to do to your thought on the Cirrus N4252G that Tragic accident at Hobby Airport in 2016 ? Lots of finger pointing on that one and I go back and forth myself on whos at fault.
I was flying at that time between Oxnard and Camarillo shooting instrument approaches. I reported tops to Mugu approach at 3,100 on my departure from KCMA. On my last approach of the day into KCMA which occurred right about when they would have arrived I was at 3,000ft with tops no more than 50ft below me. The tops were reported at 2,400ft over in the Burbank area but by the time they got to the pass at Las Virgines the tops would have been slightly higher so I don't think they were "within 100 feet" of breaking out.
Lastly, during my last approach into KCMA I momentarily made contact with the 101 freeway at the Conejo Grade and it was socked in. It is also a very narrow pass with hills very close by on either side. No way they would have made it to KCMA VFR. I took photos while I was up that day of some of the peaks just sticking through the cloud layer towards the area of the crash. It was a bad time for VFR but a beautiful day above the layer.
Daniel Reyna
This guy is good but, it’s nice to hear the perspective of a Southern Californian pilot such as yourself. While you were in the air that morning, I was on the road.
Have you spoken to the NTSB? I think your observations would be of great help to the investigation.
You confirmed my exact thoughts that the tops were likely not consistent at 2400' as they were well behind them in the valley. Typically different orographic conditions once you get into the climbing terrain in those hills and valleys that ultimately divide the "valley" from the ocean and marine environment conditions that persist to the west, & SW near Camarillo/ Oxnard.
What was KCMA weather at that time? Bases and visibility?
@@raoulcruz4404, bases were reported at 1,500 and I estimated visibility at a mile and a half on the ground. Climbing out, by 500ft, the visibility dropped to about 1/2 mi, at most. By 800ft, you could only see the ground below an angle of about 45 degrees from the horizontal. By 1,000 I was solid IMC.
Great information. Thanks so much for your hard work and expertise on the subject
Excellent and thorough description of the said event.
Juan, thank you for the updates on the Kobe accident. The tragedy has affected me in ways I would have never imagined (I have nightmares about it). Years ago my girlfriend who was a ballet teacher, in Irvine California had two of Kobe's daughters in her class (including GiGi).
Also I used to work out at the same gym where Kobe did. I never actually met him (I didn't want to disturb him, figuring so many people would want to say hi etc.) or spoke to him but I saw him there and for some reason I felt a connection.
I think I might have a little bit of additional information to shed on the incident. I am currently 70 years of age and in my early 20s I flew out of Van Nuys Airport at Golden West skyways, part 135 air taxi. I have intimate understanding of the dynamics of that environment, that could shed some light on what happened that dreadful day. Pilots flying part 135/air taxi have a very different dynamic then pilots flying part 121 regularly scheduled airlines. When flying part 135 air taxi, you want to get paid generally when you fly. Secondly, your passengers are not strangers (like in part 121) but generally their people you know. You get a lot of repeat business, and you want to please them and get them to their destination expediently and safely.
Unfortunately there is an enormous amount of pressure (or at least during my day) to push the envelope. If conditions were marginal, and you set I'm not going to take the flight, there's always somebody there right behind you that will say okay I'll do it. I know myself that I have suscumbed to this pressure on occasion back then. What I really don't understand from the reports, is that the pilot, Ara, who according to the information I have was very experience north of 8000 hours, and not only instrument rated but instrument instructor etc. etc. Why did he choose to go VFR under the deck and then special VFR when conditions got marginal? I have read reports that I don't believe or understand, that the aircraft/chopper was not certified for IFR. Additionally I also heard reports that the charter company was not certified to fly IFR. I have never heard of such a thing! And to think that a helicopter that Kobe was in would not be certified IFR sounds ludicrous to me.
Be that as it may, I put myself in Ara's position, (assuming that conditions were deteriorating, I want to get my clients to their destination with the least amount of delay as possible, I would've thought, okay I'll just bust through the clouds and get on top). I know the area and at that altitude it's highly highly unlikely that someone would be flying IFR in that area that I might collide with. So I believe that Ara made that choice.
It is unbelievably hard to accept that he was within 100 feet of busting through the clouds and having complete clear visibility. You and I know as experienced pilots that someone of Ara's ratings and experience would highly unlikely get vertigo or experience disorientation and consequently make a steep left descending turn into the ground. Therefore, I believe that as Ara was climbing out that something happened to distract him from flying the aircraft (perhaps someone in the cabin had tapped him on the shoulder, wanted to ask a question, and Ara lost sight of the artificial horizon for a moment. Or perhaps he had something on his lap, that was important, and it slid off onto the floor of the chopper, and he bent down to retrieve it).
In any case I still don't understand, if the aircraft was certified IFR and the charter company was certified IFR, why Ara just didn't ask for a IFR to VFR on top (from Orange County) and then as he comes into Camarillo, simply ask for an IFR approach. I know back when I was flying, just simply going under the clouds would have been faster. But today with GPS and considering the enormous amount of traffic in the LA basin, my guess is heading out from orange county over the ocean and heading straight for Camarillo would have been just as quick!
I believe I've will be haunted with these questions for as long as I live. But, unfortunately what is done is done. We can't change it, which makes me so so sad.
Thanks Juan,
Tom Scott
thanks tom
Anytime someone puts on glasses to read you know it's going to be good
💯 IKR 😆
Hahahaha I always feel the same way. Sometimes it even makes me wish I needed glasses just so I could do that hahaha
This was a great video for such an icon. I’ve got some epic clips not shown here in my tribute as well. Great content for Kobe fans. Dedicating our hit single to his memory was truly an honor for us ❤️🙏
Thank you for this. So sad. Praying for all involved.
Thanks again for the professional input, Juan.
Although at times unavoidably technical in nature, I believe that you perform a vital service for the traveling public and the aviation industry alike.
That hiker was lucky... "impacted 50ft below his position"... pretty damn close!
PTSD worthy
I don’t think it means 50 feet from him. I think it means 50 feet below where he was... It could have been hundreds or more feet away from him.
@@kevino.7348
So was he within the debris field area?
50 feet lower in altitude msl.
He will have to grapple with the fact that he witnessed the last moments and deaths of those people, and knew that their last moments were horrible. Terrible luck.
*cyclist
Great reporting. Thank u. Thinking of Kobe n his beautiful family heavily at the moment. God bless every precious soul on board.. .
God bless basketball
God bless us all.
I love watching your channel. I'm from Thousand Oaks where Kobe's Academy is. I was born in the valley and raised in Thousand Oaks so I'm very familiar with the area. The fog is wicked when it rolls in and it's basically impossible to even see the roads. This is just so sad. Oh, and Las Virgenes Rd. is pronounced Las Virgin-es. 😊
Juan:
Blessing's be upon you're every ''Professional & Reverently Endeavored Truth Pursuits.''
Both the Survivor Family's & the Pilots who are currently flying, ''Depend Upon'' such thoughtful thoroughness.
-Former 11b4p 82nd Abn. ...tTt...
@@livefree316 take it outside god boy
@@mikemccag
''The less I was of who I was the better I felt.''
so sad... it confirms my decision to start my instrument rating next week (10 month course) to become a better & safer pilot...
Brad Newton Vlogs Good for you, that’s a very responsible voice.
Thank you
Great. It will be confusing at first. I got my written out of the way early. I read a book about half way through my training about a guy who flew a typical single pilot IFR flight including managing the radios and what to expect two moves ahead of time. One day it came together in an Ah Ha moment. At each Vor, it's turn, time, twist, throttle, talk. Each as needed.
It should be a law. Not a pilot if you can't fly instruments
@@sean7854 while as you are only ugly on the inside.
THANK YOU for your report sir. Well said
Thank you Juan great content on your channel. XOXOX
Juan is one of the few channels I actually hit the notification bell on. Good stuff as usual.
So close, but not close enough.... 😞 Thank you, excellent explanation.
*Thank you so much for sharing this & helping along the way, for us who don't speak air language. It's so helpful!*
I think there's a lot of people like myself who just want the question: Why did this happen? answered. So, we're watching as much as we can, so maybe we'll understand. It's amazing how much I've learned about codes/rules/regulations/safety/procedures while flying, over this past couple weeks~ thanks to you & a few others. It's so appreciated!!
My initial thought during the first few days after the accident & pairing it with tons of hours watching his flight plan, listening to communications with the ATC's & getting some rough estimates was that he wanted to get the S-VFR (as he was getting a little nervous) & when that last ATC told him he needed to get within the perimeters required, he started to climb.. but, once he got into the "soup" (as you call it), he immediately got disoriented & panicked, trying to get back down below the clouds, where he at least could see the ground. I thought he was doing the sharp turn while trying to get visual contact, because he looked at his flight path on some device & noticed he had flown too far from the freeway. I assumed since he has probably taken that route several times before to the Mamba Facility & he knew there were mountains that the freeways went in between, he was just in a full panic! Being that he's very experienced, I'm sure his instinct was to get back down where he could see.
I don't know if that makes sense.. but, I promise. I do have a theory! LOL!! I'd love to hear yours. Even though, it may not be a good idea for someone who's in the industry, to share assumptions publicly~ Out of respect for one another. Like a "no talking to Laymen before the final report is issued, but talk amongst the community is Ok" kind of rule. If that's correct, I totally understand!
*Again, I appreciate all you've done to help us Normies, understand WHY! xo's*
Thank you, you explanation was simplystic enough for to understand and yet even sadder to me because I know know just how close they came to avoiding the crash..
Why would anyone thumb this down?? He's just stating facts
Many people do not like the facts to be presented. They have their own viewpoint that they want to believe whether it's true or not.
Because their stupid
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@@blobcity3591My auto input which I 7se while driving said thanks spelling bee champ
That spittle accumulating on the right side of his mouth is a bit gnarley.
When he put his glasses on i knew he meant business
Lol
Your videos are always timely, thorough and have some of the best information available Juan. MUCH appreciated. To those who are a bit "foggy" (deep apologies for the pun) about why the loss of control..... there's a huge difference between controlling an aircraft with visual references and while in IFR (no visual references, using just the instruments to control the aircraft). To control an aircraft well in IFR conditions, the pilot must have extensive additional training and receive ongoing re-training + checkrides with qualified instructors to keep the skills from deteriorating. It appears that, even though this pilot had received a checkride for IFR flight about 9 months prior to the accident, he still became disoriented after being in IFR conditions for a short time. It also appears the helicopter was in slow forward flight prior to the rapid descent, and my understanding (I am not rotorwing rated) is that helicopters become increasingly difficult to control as the forward speed decreases. Juan points out that the aircraft was a mere 100 feet from cloud tops, which means that if the pilot could have retained control of the aircraft for only a few seconds more (assuming he was ascending at, say 300-500 feet per minute), he would have popped out of clouds and been able to immediately have full control of the helicopter. RIP to all those on board, and prayers for the families involved.
finally someone who knows their shit. TY
That was a impressive and informative explanation. Thank you.
Thanks Juan!
100 feet and they could have survived.it is so heartbreaking, this hurts even more.
I don't understand this part, what's above 100 feet? Auto-pilot would have kicked in?
bbx021 In 100 feet they would have been above the clouds/fog where the pilot could have visually oriented himself with the horizon.
Somewhere in these answers is a post from a pilot who was actually flying that day. Burbank tops were at 2400 feet but he says the tops were higher to the west. So perhaps they weren't as close.
Makoy Nicholson unlikely, if pilot lost control the terrain elevation makes absolutely no difference
bbx021 if they gone up 100 feet more, they would have broken through the cloud layer and had clear blue sunny sky
Thank you sir you've made complete sense of this horrible tragedy.
Great insight on the preliminary report...Please keep us updated 👌
Juan starting to think you’re a bit of an insomniac.. thanks for all your hard work and keeping us updated it’s very well appreciated.. what makes this even more sad like you said is how damn close they were.
Nah! Juan doesn't need sleep! He is rechargable.... Just like your cellphone his bed is a quick induction charger :D
In spatial disorientation your distance from terrain is a mystery - no one has a clue of what was about to happen. That hikers photo is telling in the report. This pic confirms they knew absolutely nothing because they only saw white. Sadly, then, lights out. Thx, Juan, just great, as always. Live Ready!
m109rider1956 The hikers who stood only a few feet away from the crash site when it happened must think how lucky they got not being hurt.
In my opinion, it looks like they may have been able to see the ground just before impact. Only 1 or 2 seconds considering the aircraft was moving rapidly
@@Fair-to-Middling Sharp left begun when he start losing control. It was unattended left turn and this results in the fast height loss and increase of speed.
@UCUc9FuzaAF_XeHLNbM7ZGrQ I think he panic combine with fear......not knowing where the hillside at...sad
TeaTime maybe he thought the mountain was straight in front of him so he turned left?
I personally think he had a stroke or heart attack or something medically because no one can really explain why he went up and left so fast for seemingly no reason at all.
I'm not a flight engineer or pilot or anything remotely connected to aviation. However, I feel like I got an education unfortunately for such a tragic loss. Thank you for taking the time to explain in regular person terms and given us an understanding of this event.
I am listening to this video and recalling an airborne conversation with my instrument instructor regarding cloud types along our practice instrument flight route. In the course of that exchange, we discussed the problems of VFR into IMC conditions and what course of action was the safest. I, then asked him about the possibility of climbing briefly through cloud to get on top and back into VFR conditions. He said that this particular cloud type might be referred to as "cumulogranite" and I'd be well advised not to try it. "If you're not assured of VFR flight conditions along your route, file!" He also trained me to have a current VFR sectional handy even when flying IFR for its general terrain information. He probably saved my posterior many times over the last few years and I consider myself blessed to have had such good instructors over the years.
William Swenson Ditto on the VFR sectional while IFR. Lack thereof is what killed Reba Macintyre’s band in an accident. I think that was near Van Nuys????
@@raoulcruz4404 Hello, and thank you for your reply. I did have a real-world in-flight emergency where the open sectional came in handy. I was enroute to Maine and equidistant from Concord and Manchester, NH, when the a/c hung an exhaust valve in IMC. A quick glance at the already open sectional, told me that I had a low range of mountains across my flight path to cross if I elected to go to Manchester. Concord, turned out to be a better choice as with the one cylinder out of commission and the plane wracked by a truly awful vibration, I needed to get down fast and safely. I had always been encouraged by my instructors to declare an emergency, if I had one. Well, I did and had immediate help and radar vectors to Concord where I landed safely. A word with the local maintenance facility on the field and a rental car and I was back on my way to Maine for a seaplane fly-in. Listen, to the older and wiser heads. It will save you much skull sweat; and maybe, your life and the lives of you passengers. W
Thank you Juan for your report on this crash. As for me I would not have flown at that time. Safety comes first not the ball game. May you and yours have a blessed day.
Shabbat Shalom
No! the ball game comes first in this world....
So sad a bad decision can be fatal that 9 people suffered with their lives. Cant blame anyone at this point because no one will come back. But, it is a lesson for the rest of us, especially pilots. May God be with Pilots and any passengers with them.
@@irmavela10 Another plane will crash yet again today...
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Dont mock what I said, I just think many mistakes are preventable but not that some will even if we try. Getting things out of contexts doesn't teach anyone a thing.
@@irmavela10 I will do what I damn will want..You dont know who your yaking at snowflake
I see a lot of comments saying “well he was IFR and CFII rated so it should be impossible for him to become disoriented”. Chances are high you have never inadvertently flown into IMC. Just because he is rated such and proficient at it as of last spring, doesn’t mean he flys IFR all the time. Idk what else could have happened. NTSB has already proven that an engine failure doesn’t seem the case. Just because he was in IMC for a short period doesn’t mean anything. Spatial disorientation takes seconds. His own company is VFR only. Helicopters typically fly in VFR weather. I believe it was also released that all the victims died of blunt force trauma which means a medical situation seems unlikely. The descent was steep yes, but once he reached the top of his climb he must’ve though he wasn’t gaining altitude quick enough and inadvertently descended banking left thinking he was banking right to less terrain.
Thank you. Great reporting.
Thank you very much for doing this.
I'm still scratching my head on why he was descending 2,000 to 5,000 feet in a left turn at 160 mph speed? That's loss-of-control!
Clear Prop I saw that and thought it was him trying to get through the cloud base. He went left instead of right.
Agree, he’s in a climb and the now he is in a decent, uncontrolled if we are to take the eyewitness account at 100% accuracy, while banking left, which would also makes sense why the blades are so far forward of the accident scene, I would imagine upon impact they cartwheel in that direction, had the helicopter done a belly crash, the blades would of broken of and gone in a 360 direction.
@@karkule5919 Wow, i hope not, but can't think that one. would be a murder-suicide thing (((
@@clearprop5447 so this was a murder suicide that's messed up!!!!
Spacial Disorientation folks..... The only real explanation
Thank you for helping us understand this tragedy.
Hopefully this horrific accident will mandate change in the industry.
Juan you’re the man, I watched all your videos when they came out during the Kobe crash aftermath. You’re a legend, just wanted to come here to say that. Also we should be getting the full report soon right?